1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: I look at my dad much more pensive. A rocket 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: scientist is to remind you, and he looked at me 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: and goes, son, you weren't going to be a great 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: engineer anyway, Go go cook. Like wow, that's harsh. 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to off the cup my personal anti 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: anxiety antidote. 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 3: So I don't talk about it a lot, but I'm 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 3: a foodie. 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: Not in the sense that I cook, because I don't 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 2: that often, but I love food, and specifically I love restaurants. 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 3: Okay, this is a niche genre. 12 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: My husband's son always joke that going to restaurants is 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: my hobby, that's my pastime, and they're right. 14 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 3: It's the thing I like to do the most. 15 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: And yes, I like fancy restaurants, but also a good 16 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: a good hole in the wall is just fine. It's 17 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: the experience of it, and I crave it like weekly. 18 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: When I retire, I want to spend all my time 19 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: traveling the world going to restaurants. So no surprise, I 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 2: love going to the restaurants of celebrity chefs, and many 21 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: years ago I went to one that was very high 22 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: on my bucket list, Blue Ginger in Wellesley, mass The owner, 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: chef was a long time favorite of mine, and I 24 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: got to say it was one of the best dining 25 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: experiences I've ever had. So I am so thrilled to 26 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: welcome ming Si to the podcast. 27 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: Welcome to Off the Cup. 28 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: Wow, thank you for the intro. I'm very happy to 29 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: be here. Pleasure to see you. 30 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 3: I told you I'm a big fan. 31 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 4: Do you do you remember what did you eat? You 32 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 4: remember what you ate? 33 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: I had dumplings, I had miso. 34 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: Cod yeah, yeah, Chilian sea bass or the Black Coves Yeah, yes. 35 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: Yes, mes Chilian sea bass, yes, several other things. 36 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 3: This was like fifteen years ago. 37 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a while ago. 38 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: Wow. 39 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 2: Anniversary with an ex boyfriend, so I don't talk about 40 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: it all that often. 41 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 4: But I'm sorry. I hope it wasn't the food. 42 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: No, but I only got to go once and it 43 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: was so memorable. 44 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: But I'm sad that I didn't get to go back 45 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: with my husband and my family. 46 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: But that's okay. 47 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 2: There's other Mensai restaurants to go to. So there's a 48 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: lot I want to talk to you about, including a 49 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: number of weird connections that we have. But first I 50 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: always like to start by asking what kind of kid 51 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: were you? 52 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: I was well behaved. I did not break rules. Having 53 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: said that, I was still sent off to prep school 54 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: by tenth grade, following my brother who's two years older, 55 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: so we were both at andover and I broke rules 56 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: there and got caught as well. 57 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 3: Tell me what rules you broke? 58 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: Just apparently you're not asked us to drink alcohol when 59 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: you're like sixteen and seventeen years old. I've heard that 60 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: I thought I was in Paris. That was my bad 61 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: and it was an andover Extera game and I was inebriated, 62 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, bad, bad move and slapped and thank god 63 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: I got it together. But loved like being Mexican or 64 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: Chinese or Jewish or any immigrant. You love your parents, 65 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: you love your grandparents. You're always in the kitchen. That 66 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: was my life. It sounds cliche, but we literally made 67 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: dumplings together. We literally hung out in the kitchen. I literally, 68 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: as soon as I could walk, would be in the 69 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: kitchen because I like the smell, the sound, these scraps 70 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: of food that grandparents or parents would hand to me. 71 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: I was fascinated by it. It was just like this 72 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: is this is something that I'd. 73 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 4: Love to do. 74 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: And the statement I always make and I will repeat 75 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: it again to you is I was still am and 76 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: will always be hungry. So because of that, Yeah, I'm 77 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: a chef and I can honestly say I do not 78 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: think I've ever gone to bed hungry. Not happening. 79 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 3: Oh, I love that your mom was. 80 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: Your mom owned a Chinese restaurant, right, and your dad 81 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: was an engineer. 82 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, bless her soul. She passes for ever. Unfortunately she was. 83 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: She was a firecracker. She's the one that really lit 84 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,559 Speaker 1: under me. Like, this is how you run a restaurant. 85 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: This is the best part about the restaurant, which is 86 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: if you can give great food at a great price 87 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: with the big smile, you end up getting loyal clientele, 88 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: loyal following, et cetera. And that doesn't matter if it's 89 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: a small manner in kitchen like in Dayton, Ohio, as 90 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: I always called the culinary capital of the world, or 91 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: in Paris or you know, La, New York, whatever, right 92 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: they are, but the premise is the same, right, it's people. 93 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 4: It doesn't matter if you're billionaires. 94 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: If you're someone you know that that's making twenty thousand dollars. 95 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: Everyone wants a value, and so t smoked peeking duck. Yeah, 96 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: granted it's eighty eight bucks, but it's a great value. 97 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: You're feeding sixty eight people, and so it really doesn't 98 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: matter if it's a hamburger or tea smoke peking duck. 99 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: Everyone everyone wants deliciousness for one and two of course 100 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: a value. 101 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 2: And was your mom in foraging of you to go 102 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 2: into the culinary arts, you know. 103 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: Both mom and dad were Actually Dad was still is 104 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: at ninety five, a rocket scientist. He for the records 105 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: the side. Now we could talk about him for an hour. 106 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: He's he is a ninety five works full time. He 107 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: was just in Asia for a month with two ski poles, 108 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: seven countries, twelve meetings. He has his latest patent on 109 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: how to design better fuselages with composite materials. So that's 110 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: everything from tore the largest golfight graph manufacturer in the 111 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: world in Tokyo, to the largest drone manufacturer in China, 112 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: to air Bust to SpaceX to Ferrari and he's ninety five. 113 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: So that's my what's his secret? Di's such an easy secret, 114 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: so hard to do. He doesn't have stress. I've never stressed. 115 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: I've never like you know, we thought misplaced the tickets 116 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: to the cruise line. He's just like, no problem, not 117 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: my you know, my mom was slammer heels in the 118 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: marble floor here and across the across the kyn and 119 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: that he never stresses and it's and it does always work. 120 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 4: Out for him. And he still look even in ninety five. 121 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 1: He still walks and he maybe swim still like twice, 122 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: you know, twice a week. And yeah he does eat well, 123 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: not overeat, but he's always eating well. And food is 124 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, one of the reasons I'm a chef. His 125 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: parents and grandparents made food such a priority that we 126 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: would be going from like point eighty too, point B, 127 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: point C was Toronto, where there's a Chinatown, and we 128 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: were in Dane, Ohio, where there's no chinatown. We were 129 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: we had the three families over for our house for 130 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: dumpling making. That was Chinatown. That's that's how the Chinese 131 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: were in Dane, Ohio. And so we would bline way 132 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: the hell out of the way to get those pink 133 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: boxes right in Toronto. And every time we drive through 134 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: my parents, my mom is just relentlessly we go through 135 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: customs and she would insist and open up one of 136 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: these boxes a sachi mau, which is. 137 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 4: These rice pastries and handed to the US. 138 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: Some people amazing, we love Canada and they're like, we're 139 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: actually American, ma'am, Like, okay, whatever, we love America. That's great. 140 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: So food was well, I mean, that's such a good 141 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: point about stress. 142 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: I have a severe anxiety disorder. 143 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: We talk a lot about mental health on this podcast, 144 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: and I remember one time when I was describing some 145 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: of the things I was doing to my therapist, she. 146 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 3: Said, see, this could actually kill you. 147 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:33,239 Speaker 2: This anxiety, this constant state of adrenaline fight or flight, 148 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: could give you a heart attack. 149 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: And I don't think people think about in. 150 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: Those will yes, yes, but it was I mean, that 151 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: was earth shattering to me because it wasn't just this 152 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: isn't good for you, this isn't making you happy. It 153 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: was this could kill you. And there's a lot of 154 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: scientific research that. 155 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: Backs that up. So just one other reason I'm in therapy. 156 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,559 Speaker 1: You know what, I'm glad you brought up mental health. 157 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: Mental health, let's call it what you want. You know, 158 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time in Big Sky right 159 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: for four plus months a year, and one of the 160 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: highest demographics of suicides are males. Between eighteen and twenty 161 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: four at ski resorts. It's a crazy statue. Skis at 162 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: ski resorts and you think, how's that possible? Quite often 163 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: maybe from broken homes that by themselves they have no privacy, right, 164 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: they're always sharing a room or four to a room. 165 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: They don't have enough money to like go out to 166 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: the bars and restaurants on their two days off. Yeah, 167 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: they get a ski pass the two days. You add 168 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol to it with with no guardrails, you 169 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: can see how it spirals. And you know, one of 170 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: the things and I'm I'm I'm getting very involved. There's 171 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: a great friend of mine named Harris Schwarzburg who's a 172 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: fellow mombrow at Yellowstone and and you know, hats off 173 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: to Sam Burns, the who really is the owner of 174 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: Yellowstone Club. He's really taking the community. I mean he's 175 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: he is the community, right, not not him alone, but 176 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: he helped, he helped build a community. There's a community 177 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: center downtown Big Sky. It's the only building open after 178 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: six pm that doesn't serve alcohol. So that's a place 179 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: that everyone can gather and do sports and study. And 180 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: there's ice skating on the winter and it's that it's 181 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: a pandemic already, and it's not. And thank god the 182 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: last almost you know better than me. It only have 183 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: been the last two years when it's really been something 184 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: we can talk about openly, and so many people, everyone 185 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: has been touched by it. Of course, it's like cancer. 186 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: You don't know a person has not been touched by 187 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: about the illness. It's just not it's not possible this 188 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: day and age. It's just the world is so hard. 189 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: The world is getting harder, right, it's not getting easier. 190 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: One of my long term goals is I have to 191 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: is I want to do a cooking school called Happy 192 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: I want to do a book called Happy Chef Memoir, 193 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: but just about how you can look at life and 194 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: if you look at it through food. It's if your 195 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: goal that day is they have something delicious to eat. 196 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: Everything else falls aside, honestly because you're you're worried about 197 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: the rightness of the strawberries or whatever whatever it is. 198 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: But the one thing that's just so that people don't 199 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: think about it. If you're in high school or college, 200 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: and if you're a star athlete, or you're incredibly beautiful, 201 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: or you could sing, you could dance, you have incredible talent. 202 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: You're going to do fine in high school and college. Right, 203 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: there's no issues. But if you're the other sixty percent 204 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: of the student body that don't quite know what they 205 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: can do, they're not quite great at anything, they kind 206 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: of fall in the middle. And again, same thing. Like 207 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: skiers add drugs and alcohol and whatnot. You can you 208 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: add your parents are divorced, all thousands of reasons. But 209 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: you start getting depressed anxiety, and what happens is your 210 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: self worth goes to zero. Right, you think I can't 211 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: do anything, I have no self worth? Why am I 212 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: even here? And once you start asking that question, then 213 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: of course we're so the idea of their class. Just 214 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: imagine this. Let's say forty kids. Everyone gets their own 215 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: cutting or whatever, and we all everyone gets increased to 216 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: make a chocolate chip cookies. We all bake chocolate choke 217 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: cookies together and we actually do it, and they actually 218 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: eat it, and they're actually like, this isn't bad. This 219 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: is actually something I made. Now we take these cookies 220 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: and we go out on the street and then we 221 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: start handing them to people, and then they start noticing 222 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: people smile when they bite something that they actually made. 223 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: Then they're like, wait a minute, I actually have I 224 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: actually can do something to make someone else happy. Yeah, 225 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: that's a switch. And and then hopefully someone will be like, 226 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: you know what, this is something I can do. Because 227 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: cooking is one of the only professions you don't have 228 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: to have any natural talent. You can't just be out 229 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: to be an NBA star. You need to have a 230 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: lot of height and natural talent. Right, you can't be 231 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: dand there. You can't be a singer cooking though, if 232 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: you have two hands or even one hand, I've seen 233 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: one hand in chefs and a desire, you can become 234 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: a great chef. Yeah, right, And we all have a tongue. 235 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: We all have a palette. It's just how we train it. 236 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: But it's not like my tongue is better, faster, stronger 237 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: than yours. No, I've just eaten more different foods. But 238 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: anyone could do that. And I don't have any special 239 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: skill set to eat more different foods. So I mean 240 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: I do have money, that's helpful, but you know what 241 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no there's no magic about being a 242 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: great chef. It's passion driven and everyone if they can 243 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: find their passion, and then this also so imagine these 244 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: people that can get placed into the one million cooking 245 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: jobs that have been vacated since COVID. So it's actually 246 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: producing a needed workforce, of getting people off of off 247 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: of the mets, off of self worth, and of course 248 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: off of you know, doubt, self doubt, because every everyone 249 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: could be a chef. Everyone. 250 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 2: You mentioned our first connection, which is Andover. 251 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 3: I grew up in Andover. I didn't get county. I 252 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 3: was a towny if you must. 253 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 2: I went to a different private school, but I knew 254 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: lots of kids at Phillips. 255 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 3: I love that town. I love Andover. 256 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: It's beautiful. 257 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: Our second connection, you go to Cornell for grad school. 258 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: I went to Cornell for undergrad. 259 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: In which school arts? 260 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 2: Okay, hotel obviously right, And I want to ask, I mean, 261 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 2: for people who don't know, Cornell has one of, if 262 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 2: not the best hotel hospitality schools in the country. 263 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 3: It's great. And I loved, you know. 264 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 2: Going to the Statler and staying at the Statler and 265 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 2: eating at the Statler and it's just so cool. 266 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 3: How did you find Cornell? 267 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 4: Oh, tremendous. I was one of the youngest in the program. 268 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: I was probably only like twenty five because it's a 269 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: graduate program, right, it's master's program. 270 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 3: Yes, you would, and you would come from Yale. 271 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: I've come from Yale, but actually took two years inked 272 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: in Paris, which was which was my dream drive, and 273 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: once I graduated from college, I mean, actually, I can 274 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: give you a quick story. So both my parents obviously 275 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: are Chinese, born in Beijing, but they were both schooled 276 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: in the US college. My mom went to Nyu, my 277 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: dad went to Yo. Right, my grandfather actually went to Yale, 278 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: So I was legacy doesn't matter anymore back then and helped, 279 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: thank god, because I was not exactly chewing. My SAT 280 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: scores were like, not exactly stellar anyway, so they were 281 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: they were just cool Chinese parents, meaning they weren't the 282 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: traditional Chinese. Because now having said that, growing up, I 283 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: did have the rules. You could be anything you want son, 284 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: as long as the doctor, lawyer, engineer, right, you can 285 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: get okay, you can get any grades you want as 286 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: long as they're straight a's, and you can date anyone 287 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: you want. 288 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 4: We preferred Chinese. 289 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: So I married Polly, who is pretty beautiful and wonderful 290 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: and Caucasian as you for. She's actually super welsome. Dayton Ohio, 291 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: but does the fluid Chinese. So she actually, ironically, my 292 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: parents said her accents better than me. 293 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 4: I'm like, say, what do we talk about it anyway? Anyway? 294 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: So I'm oh, for three, I failed on all of 295 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: that right straight and forget about it. But I did graduated, 296 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: but I did take engineering. I do have a mechanical 297 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: engineering degree, so that worked out. But imagine, so every 298 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: summer I started going to Paris. Right, they knew I 299 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: liked to cook, right, and my dad's partner, Tarima, sorry, 300 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: I had a place in Paris I could stay for free. 301 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: So I started cooking there, doing apprenticeships, eventually worked there. 302 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: So it was no shock when I sat him down 303 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: right before senior year started, like I want to be 304 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: a chef. I'm going to finish my degree. I want 305 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: to move to Paris a week after graduation and go cook. 306 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: And my mom, if you've ever seen her on my show, 307 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, God bless her. She was mostly brilliant, vivacious. 308 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: She would make fun of my dumplings and like, mom, 309 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: this is my show, because that doesn't they don't look perfect. 310 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: That's just she was awesome. She was really, she was fantastic. 311 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: My son who's done some shows with me, is equally good. 312 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: She he likes to dis me as well, and so 313 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: she gave me a big hug. She's like, look, you're 314 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: so lucky that at such a young age, you know 315 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: you you love something, you'd love to do it, you 316 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: follow your you know, follow your passion. Give one hundred 317 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: ten percent holy support you. I look at my dad 318 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: much more pensive A rocket scientist is to remind you. 319 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: And he looked at me and goes, son, you weren't 320 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: going to be a great engineer anyway, go go cook Like, wow, 321 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: that's hard. 322 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 4: She goes, Am I wrong? 323 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: And he's so right. If you don't love what you do, 324 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: you have no chance of being good forget about being 325 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: great at it. You have no chance to be good 326 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: at it. 327 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 4: And it did. It has come full circle. 328 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: Right right before COVID, I was doing probably six years 329 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: of HSN and I actually enjoyed doing that. I was 330 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: designing kitchen equipment, so I literally was using p vehicles 331 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: on our team and all my all my engineering actimen 332 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: that I had left in designing and designing stuff. So 333 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: it actually I actually got to use the engineering degree 334 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: after all. 335 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, not a waste for sure never, So then. 336 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 2: Why Wellesley? You know again, I'm from Massachusetts. Great food scene, 337 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 2: especially now, but not so much. I think back when 338 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 2: you I. 339 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: Had, I had critics like, you're going to the suburbs. 340 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: What are you doing? Yeah, the Boston was just getting hot, right, 341 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: Ken Orangers just opening up Cleo and you know, Todd 342 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: was on fire. 343 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: And yes, and was coming Barb was. 344 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: Killing it and yeah, and I wanted the fame and 345 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: glory of the city restaurant. I wanted that buzz and 346 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: all that. But honestly, I started just really looking at 347 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: costs for one, but looking at where there was no competition. 348 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: I will have to hats off to Cornell for teaching 349 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: that in one of the marketing classes. I mean, they 350 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: didn't teach the big fish small fish, you know, analogy, 351 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: but that's what it is. Yeah, you could be a 352 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: mediocre fish in the suburbs and you will kill it. 353 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: And and honestly, it was my buddy Todd English who 354 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: had to fix Alvion Wellesley. And I called him and 355 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: he was serving pizza on an upside down sheet train. 356 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 4: His line are. 357 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: Out the door and his piece is good. But it 358 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: wasn't like Revelatory. You know Elbuie right, and he's like, 359 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: and Todd knew me. He goes, dude, you do your fruit. 360 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: You won't. You will never not be busy. So I I, 361 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: my ex system law found the spot. It was the 362 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: Wellesley Market grocery store, which I already meat. That meant growth, 363 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: that meant a walking clues in the basement, lots of space, 364 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 1: d da da got it for a song and and 365 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: it worked. 366 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 4: It worked. I was right downtown Wallseley. There was parking everywhere. 367 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: I did a style of food that no one was doing. 368 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: But it wasn't just a Chinese restaurant, right, it was 369 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: East West and you've been there and it was very approachable. Right. 370 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 4: I did fry calamari. 371 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: Everyone did. I did, but I did my own right. 372 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: And of course I do raw dishes for my training 373 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: in Japan and whatnot. Uh and I and I took 374 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: a lot of time and energy because it really needed 375 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: something that really a thoughtful wineless that went with the food, 376 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: and really good crafted cocktails for the experience. And keep 377 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: it and keep paper on the tables, right, no one 378 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: will I have to put on I remember when I 379 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: first opened, I got caught over by this older couple 380 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: and it's really gruff and he's like, you know, it's 381 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: just meal is delicious suggestion my cuff and my jacket 382 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: keeps getting caught on your paper, you know, I suggest 383 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: maybe tablecloths. And I said, sir, no disrespect, many suggest 384 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: you take off your jacket. Your jacket walked away because 385 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: no one else has happening this problem because no one 386 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: else is wearing a jacket, dude. So that's okay, that's great. 387 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 2: So the first year you open your name Chef of 388 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: the Year by Esquire magazine. 389 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 3: Correct, was that a lot of pressure? 390 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: Oh? It was. It was more of a surprising pressure. Honestly, 391 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: it just it just happened. I mean, I mean, I'm 392 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: not gonna lie. 393 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 4: I was. I was tickled. Pick. 394 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: I was very proud that just out the door in 395 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: the first year, that that could happen. 396 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 3: When how old were you? 397 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: That's ninety eight, sixty four, so thirty four and wow, 398 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: and you know, I mean everything happened to Ida, right. 399 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: I opened restaurant in February, very proudly got three stars 400 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: in the Boston Globe for the restaurant before TV and 401 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: all the other stuff came up. Because yeah, you know, 402 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: I am still a chef first. I love everything that 403 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: they do after that, but I'm a chef first. That's 404 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: the most important thing I do. But I do enjoy 405 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: I've always enjoyed doing simple thing and all the shows 406 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: that I've done because I'm teaching. 407 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 2: Oh and you're so good at them. It's you're making 408 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: like everything's so accessible. But you know it looks so good. 409 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 2: I mean, I really do. I would credit you with 410 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 2: the sort of heightening of the Asian fusion just explosion, 411 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 2: because I mean, you just made it all look so good. 412 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: No, well, thank there are a lot of you. Look, 413 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: I I was sartinly walking in Martin Yan's footsteps. Martin 414 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: was the think of Asians on TV besides the ones 415 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: I could break boards and but Martin was the first 416 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: one that you know, co tricial Chinese food. Julia, of course, 417 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: was the one that we all loved because she just 418 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: she's she made it so okay to be yourself. You're 419 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: going to screw up in the kitchen. I mean she 420 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: dropped a freaking chicken on the ground and picked them 421 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: back up like. 422 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 4: No one's looking, and she just keeps going. 423 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: It's which is amazing, right, I mean, come on. And 424 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: I took a lot from that because I can't take myself. 425 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: So I'm just making food, right, I'm not making nuclear bombs. 426 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not getting the cure for cancer. I 427 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 4: wish I had that bandwidth. 428 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: But although I don't wish, probably because because my mind 429 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: is as as my wife says, it's really immediate gratification 430 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: when you open. When when you own a restaurant, the 431 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: places come back clean or come back filled with food. 432 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: Restaurant's busy or it's not. It's very simple. You don't 433 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: need to, like I wonder how we're doing. 434 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 4: It's pretty obvious, right right, So if. 435 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: Then knock on what I don't know what it's like 436 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: to be in a restaurant that it's not busy, That 437 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: would that would really stink to be perf on us. 438 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: But when you're in it and on all cylinders, there's 439 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: there's not a better feeling because because you do get 440 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: you are part of the reason people are so happy 441 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: that day in that restaurant. Yes, what a what a 442 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: what I mean musicians a rights are so many people 443 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: have that same But but Picasso, I don't know if 444 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: he ever knew the people he really made happy, right, 445 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: the ever met them, right, right, you know, and of 446 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: course Bono sees you know, fifty thousand people, so that 447 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: that's obvious. But it's different, right because it's actually, yeah, 448 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: going inside of you, right, you're actually eating it. It's 449 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: part of becoming part of you, oh totally. And that's 450 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: which is the best part about food. And there's not 451 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: a better way to share anything. It has to be 452 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: overbred o bowl of rice, which is what, of course 453 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: right now this world needs. Unfortunately, unjokingly, we have such 454 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: real problems in this world and you can't get everyone 455 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: to a dinner table. Soon it's gonna go gonzo. I 456 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: hear you scary stuffs. 457 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 2: So I'm friends with a bunch of celebrity chefs, and 458 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 2: I hear there's a sort of frustration with TV that 459 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 2: it's like all competition shows now and less about cooking. 460 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts, It is certainly what's paying the 461 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: bills competition shows. 462 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 4: And I have guilty of charge. I played along as well. 463 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: Right I did, And I like watching them. 464 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 465 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: I love doing Iron Chef with Netflix. That was such 466 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: a fun fun thing. And I just judged again Tournament 467 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: Champions guys show guy, I think guy's fantastic. He's yeah, 468 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: he's like forty eight percent of the food that wragant. 469 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: Bobby's the other forty eight percent. Then there's exactly and 470 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: it's just like, at least it's not white males. Oh yeah, 471 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: maybe sort of anyway. And hats off to both of them. 472 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: I mean, hats off to Bobby. He talked about someone 473 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: that is just right right. He was like under Emerald 474 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: shadow and then always this, but. 475 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, he didn't care, he just. 476 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 3: Came, Oh it is Bobby. 477 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 4: He's fantastic guy too. 478 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: The guy guy has the most amazing setup with his 479 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: warehouse and whatnot. 480 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 4: The one thing that's so fascinating is his hats off 481 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 4: to you. 482 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: Women. Tournament of Champions and if you know, it's sixty 483 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: four chefs East and the West. They all compete for 484 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: five years running. Season six just happened. I can't say 485 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: what happened. For five years running, every finalist has been 486 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: a woman. There's never been a male finalist in five years. 487 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: So in this format, which is like you know, mystery 488 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: basket randomized you thirty forty minutes to cook, women are better. 489 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: They and I know why, I know exactly why women Why? Well, 490 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: women are smarter. I'm not just saying that because you're 491 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: on the women are and women keep it simple stupid, right, 492 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: I'll just spend it like. 493 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 4: I'm gonna do this and this and two sauces in 494 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 4: this garnish of that and. 495 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: One is like I'm going to cook the fish perfectly. 496 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: One if they do taste sauce and a garnt and 497 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: that's and they and they do, and they nail it 498 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: and they keep winning because they and keep it simple 499 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: stupid because they're women. And that's been like I could 500 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: do I gotta make bagels and they're like, no, I've 501 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: half an hour, right, that's one of my chef friends 502 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: did it at forty minutes, made bagels. Let me come on, dude, 503 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: really no you don't know? Yeah, yeah, no, I could 504 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: do that. I could do so playing a minute. Yeah yeah, 505 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: so flazy. Yeah, because that's just get your egg whites. 506 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: That's that's why bajaml killia that that that would be 507 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: a bagels now I think anyway, so so, but but 508 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: it's women. 509 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 4: It's incredible. 510 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 3: Think of women. How did you How did you meet 511 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 3: your wife? 512 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: I met my wife a long time ago, nineteen eighty three, right, 513 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: so we're talking about forty one years ago. And she 514 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: was the youngest sister of six and the Tallbots. Tallbots 515 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: is a squashed family in America. Mark Talbot was the 516 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: world champion for twelve years. The young brother, David Talbot 517 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: was the yel squash coach and I was his first 518 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: class in eighty three. And so David was there Hollywood 519 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: studying Chinese at CU Boulder. Randomly decided to take Chinese. 520 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: She actually lived literally apart three from me in Danton, 521 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: Ohio and Oakwood and I lived in Kettering. We never 522 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: met there. She was born in Dane, Ohio. 523 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 3: And wait, and she decided to take Chinese. She didn't 524 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:23,959 Speaker 3: know you. This was on her. 525 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: She didn't know she was. 526 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 4: She was at CU Boulder. 527 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: She goes to a couple classes econ that's like twelve 528 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: hundred people classes, five hundred people class. He's like, no, no, no, 529 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: I need classes like ten. 530 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 4: And she's like, oh, I bet you. 531 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: A lot of people don't take Chinese, and she says, 532 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: I want to learn to try. 533 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 4: And then she ends up meeting a great guy that 534 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 4: ended up taking Japanese. 535 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,239 Speaker 1: So her roommate, fun enough as a side digression, is 536 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: Ivan Orkan, who is the famous Long Island Jew that 537 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: decided to go to Tokyo and make the best bowl of 538 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: ramen in Tokyo. You must know of his whole story. 539 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: He has Ivan Ramen in New York, right right, So 540 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: go gole. So that's Ivan Oregon happened to be my 541 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: White's roommate because they met at a Green Peace rally. 542 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: It's you, Boulder, just completely random anyway. So my wife's 543 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: studying Chinese and my my brother in law, who unfortunately 544 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: is now also it happened. 545 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 4: It's been just a shitty year and yeah, thank you. 546 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: And he's like, you got to meet this Chinese guy 547 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 1: on my team. 548 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 4: He speaks Chinese. He's a dead head. He's I think 549 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 4: you may like him. Da da da. 550 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: And so we meet and she had the same smile 551 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: and I knew. I literally thought the day I met 552 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: her in the squash off was like, oh okay, yep, 553 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: that's the one. I really thought that. And for ten 554 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: years I followed her, wrote her postcards. I mean with 555 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: my girlfriend in Tokyo, like thinking of you. I mean, 556 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: you know, nothing bad, but I was just thinking of her. 557 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: I was just being honest, said, I sent her a 558 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: care package and when she was in Beijing with her boyfriend, 559 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: like chocolates and stuff, and yeah, enough for him, though, 560 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: I'm not rude that that's enough for him. 561 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's an even better move exactly. 562 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: So I had him San Francisco and then yeah, I 563 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: ended up both single for a brief second and the 564 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: rest is history. 565 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 4: And now we're we've been married twenty nine years. 566 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 3: That's amazing. 567 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 2: I have to imagine there are a lot of perks 568 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 2: being married to a famous chef, but I also have 569 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 2: to imagine it's hard as well. 570 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 3: What's it like for her? 571 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: Yes, I think I think the perks are awesome. I 572 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: think all of us chefs get great perks being chefs. 573 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 3: Right, food and travel. 574 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of the it's one of the best 575 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: fraternities I've seen. I mean, I bet, I don't know. 576 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: I'm not a marine, I'm not a c I'm not right. 577 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you think about all the other closeness of 578 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: a group of people, chefs, where you so take care 579 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: of each other. And what's the best thing in the 580 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: world anyway, if you have all the money in the world, 581 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: it's your next bite. It's not how fast your car 582 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: is going to go. I agree, right, it's it's your 583 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: next bite, your next gosspel w I know whatever. 584 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 4: Yes, the uh, it depends on what part of my. 585 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: Career, honestly, because when I was shooting Ming's Quest, this 586 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: is pre nine to eleven, I'd be gone for. 587 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 4: Two three weeks at a pop shooting. 588 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. But David, who is now proudly a marine, He's 589 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: going to be stationed somewhere in three months, which is 590 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: scary as shit because it's going on in this world. Yeah, 591 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,239 Speaker 1: and the Marines are the first ones to go in 592 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: to see if it's crazy or not. 593 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 4: They're like, it's crazy. 594 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, we're here. 595 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 596 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're so proud and scared shit list to be honest. 597 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: But the one thing I luckily did, and this is 598 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 1: a perk that came by opening in the suburbs. I 599 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: was done by nine point thirty, right, Right, So I 600 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: if I had a city restaurant, I'm home at one, right, 601 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: that's a bit. Then you don't see spouse and then 602 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: in the morning you're sleeping, and then you don't see kids. 603 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 3: And right, was that part of your calculation too? Opening 604 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 3: in the suburbs. 605 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: As soon as soon as I thought it soon before 606 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: I sign everything. That that was definitely part of level, 607 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: and it was part of the scary part of it, 608 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: because are there enough sophisticated diners out here that are 609 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: going to enjoy my food? 610 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 4: So that was the risk, right, But. 611 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: Then I realized, like, look, I don't care if you're rich, 612 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: but if you're well traveled, you like good food. And 613 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: I know my food is good, and I'm going to 614 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: price it such that you can come every week. 615 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 4: It's not a special occasion. 616 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to find dining paper on the tables, right, 617 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: And so that was and I'm lucky because I would 618 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: go one or two o'clock to work. We did do lunch, 619 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: so you know, once lunch started, it was fine. It 620 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: ran itself. Do the new dishes, do my meetings, do 621 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: whatever interview is, taste the line, do my upfront and 622 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: these guys coming into it. And I'd leave for about 623 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: an hour, like between a quarter quarter six a quarter 624 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: of seven, because restaurant doesn't start get busy till six thirty, right, 625 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: So that I would because I was only four point 626 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: one miles away, So I come home, make dinner for 627 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: the kids, and then go back to work. Wow. So 628 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: that was such a much more normal life for both 629 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: my wife and my kids, because otherwise, you know, and 630 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: I tried. I wanted to be a New York City restaurant, right, 631 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: and that would have been literally work until two and 632 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: everything that comes with it. And this is how you 633 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: get to the tops, and that's you get your mischelon 634 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: stars and and it's a different path and but you 635 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: got there. But it worked out well. I did never 636 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: got a Mission star, but I paper on the tables. 637 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: But although it doesn't matter. You can serve oysters on 638 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: the street. Now we get a Michelin star. 639 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 2: So I mean, I think Michelin stars are great. 640 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 3: They're great, they're great. 641 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 2: But I think you've made so many people so happy 642 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: as both a chef and a television chef. 643 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I would not look down on anything. 644 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: You got it again, It's my wife would joke. She goes, 645 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: how is how is the ming love Fest today? I'm like, oh, 646 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: it's fine, honey, that's very funny. And but I tell you, 647 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: when Food Network first came out, it was crazy, right 648 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,719 Speaker 1: because they only had like five or six of us shows. 649 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: They would play each of us three times a day 650 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: time and then the afternoon and then like and at 651 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: two am, so all the cooks would see it too, 652 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: because now the ones that are up at two as 653 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: so everyone. 654 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 4: Saw these shows. 655 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: It was absurd And I say this all the time. 656 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,239 Speaker 1: It did not make me a better chef, right, I 657 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: just happened to become the chef that's in the black box. 658 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: So now I'm the authority on Asian East West cuisine 659 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: and at least six hundred chefs can cook me under 660 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: the table in this country, full stop, one hundred percent. 661 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: I just happen to have got the platform. And as 662 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: you can tell, I really do enjoy doing it. I 663 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: like teaching. 664 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 4: I like I like. 665 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: I've never shied away from the lifetime. I don't even 666 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: think about the limelin. I just think about here's an 667 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: opportunity to teach. And now, as you can tell, with 668 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: both mental illness and i'd be remissed by I can't 669 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: talk about my other huge cause called Family Reach and 670 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: please go to Familyreach dot org to check it out. 671 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: But Family Reach were the only national charity that financial 672 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: helps family's dealing with cancer. The number one cause of 673 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: personal bankruptcy today is still a cancer diagnosis to a family, 674 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: and mag it's not about Obamacare. Thank god, there's healthcare. 675 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: It's about your two families. Mom and dad both work. 676 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: Assuming you have a mom and dad, they both work, 677 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: they each make a one hundred K. That's a really 678 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: well off American family. But then the kid gets cancer. 679 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: So then mom, the more nurturing, stops working. Now in 680 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: comes half to one hundred. But you still have your 681 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: two car payments, maybe private school, whatever, whatever, doesn't matter. 682 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: You went to Harvard or Yale, you become broke even 683 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: if you start at that level. 684 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 4: Imagine now if you're. 685 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: Fifty five K, you get a cancer diagnosis, then once 686 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: you're homeless in our system, you're basically forgotten. You're done. 687 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: So family reaches and I'm so proud I've been with them. 688 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 4: I've thirteen years. 689 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: I've raised over twelve million dollars for them through food, 690 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: through a great event called Cooking Live. I go to 691 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: all these cities, on twenty two of them around the country. 692 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: We bring chefs and we have families there and we talk, 693 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: of course about guy Fiery and I did the last 694 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: one and here in Boston raised a million. And we 695 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: have something called the Financial Resource Center. Now because it's 696 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: a systemic problem. Now, the inequity of this country, the 697 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: inequity of the world is when you're sick, it's it's 698 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: exponentially worse, right, And you basically if you're poor, give 699 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: a much less chance of surviving than if you're rich, 700 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 1: which is so wrong. 701 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 4: That's not the way. It's not. There's no period of 702 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 4: there so families I'm so proud of. 703 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: And but that's the whole point was because like you 704 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: as well, you have a platform as well, right, you 705 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 1: have people that love you, and and it is such 706 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: a responsibility that if you have that platform to to 707 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: guide it and do something with it to make sure 708 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: you leave the world a better place, right, I mean, 709 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: I think it's not you. You cannot be consider yourself 710 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: a success at all if you've not done that. The 711 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: rest is just window dressing, right, I mean, can only 712 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: drive one car to time, that's as far as I know. 713 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: That's one of my one of my one of my 714 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: great lives with my friends is you know what, I may. 715 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 4: Never work hard enough, be smart enough, or just get that. 716 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: Lucky break to have my own private plane, I'm gonna 717 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: be damn sure to keep my friends that due perfect. 718 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: Just keep cooking for them. You gotta make so much 719 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: money to have a private place, like. 720 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 2: We say, whatever, better than what's better than owning a 721 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 2: boat is having a friend that owns a boat, right, yes. 722 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 4: Totally so much better. 723 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: Kids. 724 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 4: It doesn't work for kids. 725 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 1: Some people say that they don't like kids, and I 726 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: do think kids is a good investment. For the record, 727 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: my wife blames me. She's very proud that he's a 728 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: marine as well, but blames me. He went that way 729 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: because I did drill into my kids. Is what I 730 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: just spewed to you about giving back to leave the 731 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: world a better place, I had to serve. And he's like, 732 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a marine. No, no, no, too much service, lemonade, stamp, 733 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: chocolate chip, cookies, bake sale. No, not marine. She's such 734 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: your fault. Yea, we're so proud. It's like, what are 735 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 1: you gonna do? And then my other sons a senior 736 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: usc acting right, so you can't have more dysprid children. 737 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, do you have kids or not? 738 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 3: I do. I have a nine year old boy. 739 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: Okay, if you had another one, then you could talk 740 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: about how different they are, because. 741 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 3: No, I have just the one. 742 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 2: But he keeps us very busy. Okay, so before we 743 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 2: get to a lightning round, I just want to tell 744 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 2: you about the greatest. 745 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 3: Thing I ever did. 746 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 4: Thanks for sharing. 747 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 2: This is the greatest thing I ever did. So I'm 748 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 2: turning forty. This is some years ago turning forty, and 749 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 2: you know, my husband's like, what do you want to do? 750 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 2: And I don't really want to have a party or 751 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 2: anything like that. And he said, well, we know what 752 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 2: your favorite thing to do is. 753 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 3: Let's go to restaurants. And I said, yeah, let's just 754 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 3: go to a great restaurant. 755 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 2: And he goes, you know, what's the best restaurant in 756 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 2: the world right now? 757 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 3: We look it up and it's that year. 758 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 2: It was Osteria Franciscana in Modena, Italy, and he said, 759 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 2: maybe we should go there. I said, great, Yes, I'm in. 760 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 2: This is a amazing, so indulgent. 761 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 3: We're going to go to the best restaurant in the world. 762 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 3: Then he goes, you know, I'm looking at this list. 763 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 2: Number two is in Spain. Number three is in France. 764 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 2: What if we did all three? 765 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 3: What those so? Well, Well, we'll. 766 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 2: Fly into Barcelona, We'll do a road trip over seven days. 767 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 2: We'll start at El Sillard de Conroca in Girona, Spain. 768 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 2: Then we'll drive into the south of France and we'll 769 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,720 Speaker 2: end up at Mirazour, which was the number two restaurant 770 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 2: or the number three restaurant at the time, just outside 771 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 2: of Monaco. And then we'll drive up to Modena, Italy 772 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 2: and end at the number one restaurant, Australia Frontiscana in 773 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 2: seven days. Now, when I say this was the greatest 774 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,720 Speaker 2: thing I've ever done, I mean, like, I'm so proud 775 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 2: of us for doing this adventure, going on this adventure 776 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 2: and literally do like my favorite thing to do, the restaurants. 777 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 2: But I also mean it was a lot to do 778 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 2: three four hour dinners since every other day in seven days, 779 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 2: every other day we did split them up, but to 780 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 2: do twenty courses, you know what these meals are like, 781 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 2: you know, it's a performance. I mean, it was incredible, 782 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 2: but I was so overwhelmed. Oh but I mean it 783 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 2: was amazing, but it was also just overwhelming and it 784 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 2: made me realize how I mean, these experiences were not 785 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 2: just about what I was tasting, but about where I 786 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 2: was and the people and the smells and the sights. 787 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,800 Speaker 2: And it was overwhelming in the best way. But today 788 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: still the greatest thing I've ever done. 789 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like it. I've never done three in 790 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: a row like that. Elboui was my finest meal ever. 791 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 1: I think that was a five hour, thirty six course meal. 792 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 3: Spain. 793 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah lal Rosa, Spain. You never you never 794 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: looked at your watch. The time didn't matter. It just 795 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: kept going. Everything had an instruction and exploded or this 796 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: or that very east west actually, but I will tell 797 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: you the best thing I've ever eaten and uh, the 798 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,760 Speaker 1: most humbling experience in the same in the same twenty minutes. 799 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,240 Speaker 1: This is late Creer. Late Creer is inrans rancestry. Champagne 800 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: is made in friends. Jerrar Boye was a three star 801 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: mission chef at the time there. He's no longer there, 802 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: idyllic three star Michelin Augusta rolling greens, pine trees, white chateau. 803 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: At the end, we go for lunch. Polly my date 804 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: or girlfriend not wife at the time, soon to be 805 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: wife in a few years. We're staying at Hotel RINKYDNK 806 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,720 Speaker 1: for one hundred bucks because you couldn't stay this relaining 807 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: chateau because we didn't have the money. But we go 808 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: for lunch is always cheaper and jusuy just as good, right, 809 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: and they show them menu. 810 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 4: I went there because his signature dish is. 811 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: A uh truffle golf ball sized probi one golf all 812 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: sized truffle wrapped in flog grab moves, wrapped in puff pastry, 813 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 1: baked in the ovens serve with a sauce pere gore. 814 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,439 Speaker 1: It's one hundred dollars a plate. 815 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 4: That's my dish. 816 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: And I was guided to go there because I just 817 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,359 Speaker 1: did an event at Silks of Demand and Oriental where 818 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: I was soux chef with Jacques Pebert, and Jacques Pepert 819 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: is the truffle king of the world. He's in heaven now, 820 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: but his friend runs it and he was selling to 821 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 1: Jira Day and Duquees and robuchonp and Boyer and Keller 822 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: and everyone, And unbeknownst to me, he called Boyer and say, hey, listen, 823 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: as American chef friend of mine's coming to your restaurant. 824 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: You know, look after him. I didn't know he did. 825 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: I'm a soioux chef. This is a three star mission chef. 826 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: So I get there for lunch. They didn't have the 827 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: dish on the lunch menu. Tasting menu, and I'm like, 828 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: oh no, And I asked the major dze like, there's 829 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 1: anyway possible my broken French it wasn't great then, and 830 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,879 Speaker 1: let me check it and because back she says, so 831 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: they send two of them out, like what And my 832 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: first thought is I can't have word two of them. 833 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: But anyway to them came out so like, well, you know, 834 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: it was kind of like squatter's right, so on the table, 835 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: Hey we take I mean I take it by a 836 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: see I can't. It's exactly how they claim food orgasm, 837 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 1: food high epiphany stars. I'm like, this is the best 838 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 1: thing I've ever eat. 839 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 4: In my life. 840 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: And I was a shoos cheve and I'm like, this 841 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 1: is why I want to be a chef. I mean, 842 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: I didn't know you could literally have an inside, outside 843 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: mind body experience from a bite of food. I gobble 844 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: mine up, like all of those chefs do. We all 845 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,320 Speaker 1: think you have a fifteen second window between when perfect 846 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 1: food starts to career. 847 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 4: It's true. 848 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 1: French fries crackling on steak all I kill mine so good. 849 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: My wife's girlfriend she's she ate a third of use 850 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: and it's very rich, right, she liked it, but She's like, 851 00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,760 Speaker 1: I can't wave so much food coming. I'm like, okay, 852 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: So now i eat one point six seven balls of 853 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 1: love and I'm like, oh my god, this is so 854 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,800 Speaker 1: it was so good. I excuse myself from the table. 855 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm going to have a moment to myself. 856 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: And if I smoked cigarettes, I would have let one up. 857 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: But I didn't smoke. So I walk out. I go 858 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: to the restroom and I go through some you know, first, 859 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,359 Speaker 1: I go through a related chateau marble staircase to all 860 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 1: the beautiful thousand dollar rooms, a northery carved doorframe, and 861 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: there's a menjou. I look down the hallway and there's Boyer, 862 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: and so I go to the restroom. I'm like, oh 863 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: my god, I get to meet a three star milition chef, 864 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: first time, big deal R. So I'm okay, no, no 865 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 1: troubles in my teeths my hair, I do. 866 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 4: I walk. 867 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 1: I take four steps towards him, and he's with Martine 868 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: is Maxine, his beautiful wife, having a stress. And I 869 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: stopped at the women's restroom and another doorframe. I'm thinking, 870 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 1: you know, he's having a moment with his wife. I 871 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: want to see the kitchen. Anyway, I'll tell him how 872 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 1: good Relatory's meal was. Later that's okay, I'll just go 873 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: back and I said, hey, another talkom. I run into 874 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 1: a full length mirror. I run into myself. There's a 875 00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 1: doorframe with a mirror in it. And now he comes 876 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,840 Speaker 1: running over and I speak. She's like like so like, 877 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: oh chante like next day as I'm holding my nose, like, 878 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: oh my god. And at that moment in life, I 879 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,280 Speaker 1: see you the bust out laughing, your best out crying. 880 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: So I bust out laughing. I go back to the table. 881 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm cracking out. My girl. Polly's like, what's so funny, goes, 882 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: I just met the chef. She goes, that's amazing. 883 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 4: I just ran marriage, Because no, you did. 884 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: She without hesitation, grabbed her instematic click click like, took 885 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,479 Speaker 1: a picture of who my nose and four had left 886 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: grease smarks and gave it to me. Latest says, I 887 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: know one day you're going to become big watch out 888 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 1: for the mirrors. Remained humble, and the worst part was 889 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 1: the major d came over and said, monsieur, that happens 890 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 1: all the time, which is a crock of shit. 891 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 4: That does not happen all the time. 892 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: And I didn't go see the kitchen because I couldn't 893 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,759 Speaker 1: beat that guy there he is. There's a guy that 894 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:49,360 Speaker 1: hit the mirror. 895 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 4: So there's no kitchen tour today. 896 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 3: That's a great story. 897 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 1: But the bite, but the bite was revelatory. I mean 898 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 1: I wish I said I was five glasses in. I 899 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: was a glass and a half then, so isn't. I 900 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: was not drunk. I was just high from that bite. 901 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,319 Speaker 3: Yes, I believe it. I believe you. I know what 902 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 3: you're talking about. Okay, lightning round. 903 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 5: Okay, the bear. Do you watch entertaining? Okay, seventy five 904 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:32,400 Speaker 5: percent accurate? 905 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,399 Speaker 3: Seventy five percent accurate. That's what I was gonna ask. 906 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,840 Speaker 1: Okay, good, here's one quick one. No web beef placed 907 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: when it first started would have a pastry chef, right, 908 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,359 Speaker 1: stuff like that. But the anxiety, the click click click 909 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,879 Speaker 1: of the micro's ticker tape that that's real. Yes, yeah, 910 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:47,279 Speaker 1: that's real. 911 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 4: That's true. And he like looks like, yeah. 912 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 3: I love that. 913 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:50,759 Speaker 1: That's real. 914 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 3: Best movie about cooking or food, so got so. 915 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,439 Speaker 1: Many toss up between but BET's Feasts and Tempopo say 916 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:01,879 Speaker 1: them again. 917 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 4: The Beet's feast. 918 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 1: French Revolutionary War is just the most sensual. This this 919 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: that made one money and she makes the most incredible 920 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 1: meal and it's just it's a beautiful food. And Tempopo 921 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: is a Japanese about the making the best bull of 922 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: Robin Brahmin. But it's erotic and delicious and hilarious too. 923 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 1: They make fun of the Japanese tradition and how CEOs classically. 924 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,880 Speaker 1: I won't spoil thems classically in a boardroom, see your 925 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,479 Speaker 1: orders whatever everyone else orders. 926 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 3: Right. 927 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 4: So this went around to. 928 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,799 Speaker 1: The young kids, like, wait a minute, can I see 929 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,760 Speaker 1: the white list? And this is something that would never happen, 930 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:39,720 Speaker 1: but it's hilarious. 931 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll put those on my list. I like, I 932 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:43,160 Speaker 3: like big Night. 933 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's such a just the end day the 934 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's so. 935 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,360 Speaker 3: Classic French or Italian? 936 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: Wow, wow French. I mean I trained in France, eating 937 00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 1: eating like on a monthly basis. I probably eat an 938 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,720 Speaker 1: America more Italian because it's closer to Mediterranean, if you will, right, yes, 939 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,760 Speaker 1: and for this French Mediterranean too, but it's definitely easier 940 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: to eat lighter Italian than lighter French in America. 941 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,280 Speaker 3: That makes sense best food destination. 942 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 1: So New York City is still the one with the 943 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:28,399 Speaker 1: most variety, right, where New York City has has the variety. Now, 944 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,960 Speaker 1: if you're an American, the other best food destination outside 945 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 1: of New York City is Tokyo or I should although 946 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 1: I'll digress. I would say Japan and actually Osaka over Tokyo. 947 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 1: They both have the same but Osaka has more variety 948 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 1: of restaurants and just as delicious, just on a smaller scale, 949 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,320 Speaker 1: so it's significantly cheaper. 950 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 4: But their food scene is absurd. Just the taco yaki. 951 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 1: Right, there's restaurants only you know, only elon rice. 952 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 4: That's all they serve. That's all they serve. 953 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,080 Speaker 1: So don't don't go there with the fish allergy. That's 954 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,120 Speaker 1: all they served, right. 955 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:12,400 Speaker 4: I mean, we had a side. 956 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 1: We had a couple come in for a Lamb dinner 957 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 1: and the one of the woman would not to single 958 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 1: her out, but it was the woman. She's like, oh, 959 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 1: I don't eat lamb, And I'm like, can you please 960 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,800 Speaker 1: ask her politely why the f is she had a 961 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,920 Speaker 1: Lamb dinner? She doesn't eat lamb because every course has lamb. 962 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 4: Had a Lamb dinner. 963 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry if it's I'm sorry if we fooled her 964 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,799 Speaker 1: with the title of the dinner, right, I mean it's 965 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,080 Speaker 1: like dinner. 966 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,239 Speaker 4: I know it's people like, well we figured you could. 967 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,240 Speaker 1: My god, God, anyway, some people, some people, some people, 968 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:44,480 Speaker 1: you know. 969 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:51,760 Speaker 2: Right, best restaurant in Boston today, Oh. 970 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,879 Speaker 1: It's all mood right, what do you want? I mean, 971 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,000 Speaker 1: my god, there's so many. I think Ken Orange is 972 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,279 Speaker 1: the best chef in Boston right now. He's got like 973 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,160 Speaker 1: five or six restaurants. I love them all. Uni is 974 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,799 Speaker 1: fantastic Japanese. Yeah, so Uni be Afar one of my 975 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,560 Speaker 1: favorites of all of them. But then but then there's 976 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 1: Joanne Cheng who has Myers and Chang delicious Asian food. 977 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,080 Speaker 1: But then she makes the most amazing bread and sweets 978 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,680 Speaker 1: and cakes and cookies all over Boston. 979 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,879 Speaker 4: She's incredible as well. 980 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 1: But then there's Tinks on It Boston's super her good sushi, 981 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,359 Speaker 1: and said I liked him. 982 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:36,120 Speaker 2: I recently went to Well, I've been to Banyan Bar 983 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,439 Speaker 2: and Refuge, which I think is just really fine. 984 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 1: Okay, I have not been. 985 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 3: Oh it's good. It's over like theater district on Tremont. 986 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,800 Speaker 2: And then I just went for my birthday to dosav 987 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 2: On uh. 988 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,080 Speaker 1: On Calms across from across from Uni. 989 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, good, and it was wonderful. I loved it. 990 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,719 Speaker 2: It's elevated food, but they don't make it fussy, so 991 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,319 Speaker 2: I could bring my son, you know, which I love 992 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:01,799 Speaker 2: to do too. 993 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 3: So it was good. But there's the restaurant scene in 994 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:05,640 Speaker 3: Boston is exploding. 995 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of good ones. 996 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,640 Speaker 3: There's a lot of good ones. What's the hardest thing 997 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,200 Speaker 3: to cook for. 998 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:12,759 Speaker 4: A home cook? 999 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 1: I think I think fish is the hardest thing for 1000 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,719 Speaker 1: a home cook to cook. I think people are a 1001 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,759 Speaker 1: lot of people are scared of cooking fish, and rightfully so, 1002 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,680 Speaker 1: because you could start with just bad fish, which rarely 1003 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,120 Speaker 1: happens with a bad steak or yeah. 1004 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,120 Speaker 4: Right, right, you know what I mean. 1005 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's such a variety and you have to 1006 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,919 Speaker 2: cook them all very differently, and yeah, seas. 1007 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,080 Speaker 1: And the one very simple tip whenever you go to 1008 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,880 Speaker 1: buy fish, and if it's a fishmonger, a whole foods 1009 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 1: or a stopping shop, ask to ask them to put 1010 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 1: fish on the wax paper so you can smell it 1011 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,800 Speaker 1: and you don't touch. It's still sanitary, right, even with 1012 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,000 Speaker 1: the mask on covida comes back. You can still smell it, 1013 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,280 Speaker 1: but it smells fishy. Go to another fish can't smell Fishy's 1014 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: supposed to smell like the ocean. And that's and that's 1015 00:49:58,640 --> 00:49:59,960 Speaker 1: and that smell test is all you need. 1016 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:00,719 Speaker 4: Eat you don't. 1017 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: And by the way, please, for God's sake, the worst. 1018 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 4: Food poison ever get was from oysters. 1019 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 1: If you're ever gonna eat raw oysters, and I love 1020 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,200 Speaker 1: roll oysters, you have to smell each one before you 1021 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 1: put your minionetor any sauce on it, and make sure 1022 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,520 Speaker 1: it smells like you see And people always say, what 1023 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,360 Speaker 1: does a bad oyter smell like? Dude, you so know 1024 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,200 Speaker 1: what a bad smells like. There's no question it's a 1025 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,640 Speaker 1: bad oyster. And if you eat it, there's no question 1026 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,319 Speaker 1: you've just ruined forty eight hours of your life. 1027 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,719 Speaker 3: Oh at least as a new Englander. We've all been there. 1028 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:27,399 Speaker 3: I've been there. 1029 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:28,880 Speaker 1: It's the worst wars. 1030 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,440 Speaker 4: And please spit it out to a napkin. Don't worry 1031 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 4: about the decorum. 1032 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,479 Speaker 1: I just taut get it out because did. 1033 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,160 Speaker 3: You give yourself a day or two? 1034 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, smell with your nose. Your nose knows everything. 1035 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 3: That's right. Okay. 1036 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,279 Speaker 2: The final question that I always ask is the most 1037 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:52,200 Speaker 2: important to me culturally spiritually, when is iced coffee season? 1038 00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,600 Speaker 1: I drink ice coffee all the time. 1039 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,080 Speaker 3: That's the correct answer. It's the correct. 1040 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,440 Speaker 1: Answer I do because I can't drink hot coffee all 1041 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:05,759 Speaker 1: the time. 1042 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,080 Speaker 4: You can't drink six cups of coffee it gets absurd. 1043 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,960 Speaker 1: No, And you can't drink in the afternoon. Yeah, in 1044 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,840 Speaker 1: the afternoon, I get I dic Starbucks boom gonde black 1045 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: nothing simple. 1046 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,240 Speaker 2: That's the correct answer is year round. You are correct. 1047 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,080 Speaker 1: Well, hang on, if you if you're going to cook 1048 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,319 Speaker 1: me a dish, what would you cook me? 1049 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:24,920 Speaker 3: Oh? 1050 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,200 Speaker 2: I do a couple things I would think so well. 1051 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,400 Speaker 2: I have a small repertoire. I do what I call 1052 00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,720 Speaker 2: I call it a Shanghai tuna and it's a grilled 1053 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,480 Speaker 2: ahi tuna steak that I slice up nice so it's 1054 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,520 Speaker 2: raw on the inside, of course, pepper crusted on the outside. 1055 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,480 Speaker 2: And I serve it with peanut noodles and scallions. Okay, 1056 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,120 Speaker 2: it's just a nice dish. I do a I do 1057 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,960 Speaker 2: a pork on kotsu over rice that everyone in the 1058 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:54,920 Speaker 2: family loves because. 1059 00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,920 Speaker 1: That's easy, flower egg panco. 1060 00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,960 Speaker 3: Flag, yes, egg flour panco exactly? 1061 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,400 Speaker 1: Would you just call me plague? 1062 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:06,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good. 1063 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:06,800 Speaker 1: I do it. 1064 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,960 Speaker 2: And I do an excellent, excellent carbonara because I'm Italian 1065 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,880 Speaker 2: and uh that just passed down through the blood. So 1066 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,160 Speaker 2: I do an excellent carbonara, but with onions. 1067 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,320 Speaker 1: So do you finish it in a standard steel bowl 1068 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,640 Speaker 1: the carbonara the eggnent bowl or. 1069 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,239 Speaker 4: Do you do everything finished in the pan? I've seen 1070 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:22,840 Speaker 4: both techniques. 1071 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:23,719 Speaker 3: I finish it in the pan. 1072 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:24,760 Speaker 4: You never use the standards. 1073 00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,879 Speaker 1: You don't have the side in the standard steel bowl 1074 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,840 Speaker 1: and got a good temperate I do not. 1075 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 2: I put it directly on the pasta and then I 1076 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,960 Speaker 2: toss it. Yeah, is that no good? 1077 00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:35,640 Speaker 4: I don't know. 1078 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:36,800 Speaker 1: I'm not actually not Italian. 1079 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,080 Speaker 3: This is how I was taught. 1080 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:43,080 Speaker 2: And I I add onions. I know that's a controversial 1081 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,640 Speaker 2: thing and regional, but for me, my carbonara must have onions. 1082 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:47,919 Speaker 1: Yep. 1083 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good. It's good. 1084 00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,560 Speaker 1: And I have to get to Portugal. That's the next 1085 00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,200 Speaker 1: eating place I've not been to, which all my chef 1086 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:56,920 Speaker 1: friends have been to. 1087 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:57,440 Speaker 4: Because Spain. 1088 00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:03,520 Speaker 1: Spain talks about Porto and Lisbon is like amazing restaurants 1089 00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:04,440 Speaker 1: and chefs Right now. 1090 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,399 Speaker 2: Yes, I've got to go there too, but I want 1091 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:08,000 Speaker 2: to also come. 1092 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,080 Speaker 3: I want to come out to Yellowstone. 1093 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:10,400 Speaker 4: Come out to Baba. 1094 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:11,400 Speaker 1: You have to. 1095 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,160 Speaker 4: You have to try my tea smoke peeking duck. 1096 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:14,719 Speaker 3: Yes, I do, Yes, I do. 1097 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:15,239 Speaker 4: I think so. 1098 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,239 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, this was an honor. I really am. 1099 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,680 Speaker 2: I'm a big fan and I feel like, you know, 1100 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,640 Speaker 2: through like andover and Cornell and Boston. 1101 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,680 Speaker 3: We've just been I've been following you. 1102 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's awesome, and I catch you on the tube. 1103 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:30,520 Speaker 4: Keep it up. 1104 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,000 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 1105 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,080 Speaker 1: It's a real pleasure I see. 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