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Speaker 2: Big show for you today. We have a big game

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Speaker 2: He's thirty seven years old. Bryce will not only be back,

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Speaker 2: You can lose a lot as a young player, We've

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Speaker 2: he's got really accurate, great deep ball thrower, great athlete,

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Speaker 2: have to cut him, which regardless if Bryce doesn't change

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Speaker 2: which sometimes you need that. Look at Sam Darnold, happened

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Speaker 2: Things are going really well. Kind of shocking news today

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Speaker 2: that over it? Now, let me say this, what I

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Speaker 2: even imagine how exhausting that is to be Woes, to

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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to like rain on Woj's retirement parade.

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Speaker 2: He was awful, Like it was uncomfortable watching him on television.

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Speaker 2: I don't blame him. Lifetime newspaper reporter just not his thing.

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Speaker 2: So if I'm Adam Schefter, I'm obviously every bit as

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Speaker 2: What am I worth? If Woes? Think about the numbers? Now,

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Speaker 2: I think Adam's dramatically underpaid. Okay, very very excited to

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Speaker 2: rattled off some MVPs and championships.

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Speaker 3: I gave it a shot with the Sacramento surge. Did

429
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 3: not work out, so I went played arena balls.

430
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: More fun is arena league. Was it just the time?

431
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 2: Obviously television has changed the game, But like you would

432
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 2: think that that would kind of work. If it worked

433
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 2: in the nineties, it would have a place today. What

434
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: do you think happened there?

435
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: I think we just missed our window. We were too early.

436
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 3: It was a great league when I was in it.

437
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 3: Players were getting paid a lot of money, coaches were

438
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 3: getting paid pretty good.

439
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: It was very competitive.

440
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 3: We're getting guys right out of the NFL as soon

441
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 3: as they get cut, we get them even before going

442
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 3: to the CFL. I think we just got a little

443
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 3: too big for our breitches. The franchise tags went up

444
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 3: to like sixteen seventeen million dollars and the owners could

445
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 3: never recoup that because they were guaranteed TV money or

446
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 3: the NFL is going to buy in as used as

447
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 3: a developmental league, and neither one of those things happened.

448
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 3: So the owners kind of lost their ass and they

449
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 3: had to get rid of it.

450
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Speaker 2: When I worked with the Eagles, Matt Naggi had just

451
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: got there and he had a good career, and I

452
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 2: remember watching him spin the ball. I'm like, I don't

453
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 2: know if he could move like an NFL player, but

454
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: clearly in the Arena League. You guys have a lot

455
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: of guys that could spin it. In twenty twenty four

456
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: with the Internet. Obviously, Warner kind of made the transition,

457
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: But do you think there would have been more The

458
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: scouting staffs are a way bigger now, would have been

459
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: more guys make it because I would imagine, I mean,

460
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: you see the XFL, the USFL, I mean guys are

461
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: getting shots left and right. Yeah, I think some of

462
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: the ninety man rosters too.

463
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, for sure, a lot of guys would

464
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: have got more opportunities to play where they don't get

465
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 3: that opportunity once they get cut in the NFL or

466
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 3: trying to get on the XFL. But this is a

467
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 3: great opportunity for skilled guys, especially wide receivers, defensive backs

468
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 3: that really show their skill. You gotta be able to

469
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: cover in that league. I mean you got to change

470
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 3: direction and do some things, and pass rushers as well,

471
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 3: and then offensive linemens. Some guys could develop as guards

472
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 3: or tackles in the league as well. Just you know,

473
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 3: given guys, young guys opportunities to play more is a benefit.

474
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 3: That's why I hope the UFL works out, because there

475
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 3: are gonna be some guys that can emerge from that

476
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 3: and be big time helps in the NFL.

477
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: How much time do you and your brother spend talking

478
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: about quarterbacks?

479
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 3: Not as much anymore. We still do quite a bit

480
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: from time to time, but he's got his own show

481
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 3: now going on. But we we love talking football. It's

482
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 3: all we know. So that when we get together, we're

483
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,239
Speaker 3: talking football, plays, protection schemes, all that stuff, and then

484
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: we'll maybe swing a golf club, but love the quarterback

485
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 3: position and study that.

486
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: How's the golf game?

487
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 3: It was going pretty good till today. I played terrible,

488
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 3: but it's it's all good. About a five hand acap

489
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 3: four and a half, and oh, I don't think I'll

490
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 3: ever get below that because I'm not a good enough hutter.

491
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 3: I don't make any putts, but I can get around

492
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 3: from t Green pretty good. I don't get a lot

493
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: of doubles, but make a lot of pars and bogies

494
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 3: an occasional birdie if.

495
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: I chip in. You beat John, Yeah, I beat him

496
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: like a drum.

497
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 3: You know, just got a new hip, so I can.

498
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: Really beat I was thinking, you know, your brother really

499
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 2: came on the scene right with that crew in Green

500
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: Bay and farv and I remember talking to Marty morning

501
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: Wig and he's he thought far Of was the best

502
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 2: player he ever saw during that stretch. And obviously from

503
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: a physical gift standpoint, you could argue, I mean, he

504
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: was one of the greatest, if not the greatest throwers

505
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 2: of the football as athleticism, But when I think about

506
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks you've had, and even your brother right success

507
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: with the rich Gannon and then he coached Derek Carr.

508
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 2: You had Andy Dalton as the OC and Sincy and

509
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: then you had Kirk Cousins you trade for Alec Smith.

510
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: It's kind of like you go the opposite of car

511
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: with the quarterbacks you like. Is that just that's just

512
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 2: the timing where you were at the time, what was available,

513
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: or did you guys you specifically with Dalton, Cousins and

514
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 2: Alex who was really good before he got injured, weren't

515
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: you guys like six to two that year?

516
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 3: I mean you had two game leading division and he

517
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: broke his leg and then Colt mcway broke his leg

518
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 3: the next game after that, so we were down to

519
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: Josh Johnson. It was a rough stretch there for about

520
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 3: a year.

521
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Speaker 2: So I guess the question is do you lean, you

522
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: can deal with a little lesser arm quarterback if they're

523
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: accurate or is that just the cards you were in

524
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: those given situations.

525
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Speaker 3: Well, Cincinnati is really the only quarterback I picked me

526
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 3: and not myself, but Marvin Lewis and I spent a

527
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 3: lot of time in that draft. We had a second

528
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 3: round draft pick, and Blaine Gabbert was in that draft. Obviously,

529
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 3: Cam Young, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker was in that draft.

530
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: So we had to sit there in the second round.

531
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,719
Speaker 3: We had to wait for Andy to fall. We were

532
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 3: just hoping to goodness that he would fall. I thought

533
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 3: Seattle was going to take him at twenty nine, but

534
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 3: they took James Carpenter Lyneman and the other choice was

535
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: Ryan Mout or Colin Kaepernick. And I really wasn't too

536
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 3: involved in the zone reads and all that stuff at

537
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 3: that time, so I really needed somebody to come in

538
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 3: and start as a rookie because Christian what's his name

539
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks that he wasn't coming back, Carson Palmer, Yeah,

540
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: Carson Palmer said he was not coming back no matter.

541
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 3: So we had Jordan Palmer on the roster and Dan

542
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: lef Fever was all we had on the roster, so

543
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 3: we had to get a starter, so we had to

544
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 3: wait till the second round. And Andy was perfect because

545
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: he started four years at TCU. They had a lot

546
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: of different variances in their system. He was under center,

547
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: He's in a shotgun play action quick game. I understood protections,

548
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: and I knew that he could handle the offense at

549
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: a faster rate than anybody else. Because it's also the

550
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: strike shortened season, so we didn't have a training camp

551
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 3: or at OTA's in the off season. We just had

552
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: to come to training camp, put the offense in. He

553
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: had to learn it and start from day one, So

554
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: he was perfect for us. When I got to Washington,

555
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: we obviously had Robert and Kirk, so they were my

556
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: guys that we had to develop. My job was to

557
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: develop Robert first, but as time went on, it was

558
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 3: clear that Kirk was the better passer of the football

559
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: and understood the game a little bit better and was

560
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: more healthy. Robert, you know, after he broke his leg

561
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,959
Speaker 3: was never quite the same probably, and then obviously when

562
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: we lost Kirk, I found out on Twitter, my son

563
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: found on Twitter we traded for Alex Smith. I had

564
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: no idea, you know, my son comes running. Hey, guys,

565
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: it's got Alex Smith. I go, what what do we

566
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: give up for him? I guess a third round draft

567
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: pick in Kendall Fuller and Kenball Fuller's are starting Nickel.

568
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: Uh.

569
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't happy about that. I loved Alex. I

570
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 3: loved coaching Kirk, but really Andy's the only one I

571
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: handt picked for myself, and that was really the only

572
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 3: guy left Forrest to hat pick.

573
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a lot there by the time.

574
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: Let's start with cousins who this probably come out on Thursday,

575
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: but I had just had the big comeback. Do you

576
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: think he became a better player or was coming into

577
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: his own? Was he a different guy once he had

578
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: been in Minnesota a couple of years and the guy

579
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: we've seen probably the last three plus years pre Achilles

580
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: than the guy that you experienced, or as he looked

581
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: the same to you.

582
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 3: I think he looks the same. He's obviously gained more

583
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: confidence than everything that he does. He's a perfectionist when

584
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: it comes to footwork and preparation, and he wants to

585
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: know exactly why plays are in and the timing, anticipation,

586
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 3: all that stuff. He's really good at that I think

587
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 3: when Kirk really turned the corners, when he gained confidence

588
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: in himself. He was always second fiddle here. Everybody wanted

589
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: Robert Robert, Robert Robert. Nobody ever talked about Kirk, and

590
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 3: then when the competition actually was going on, he's still

591
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: felt second fiddle because the fans really wanted Robert to

592
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 3: succeed and they were kind of against Kirk all the way.

593
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: And then Kirk started playing good. Once I announced him

594
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: as a full time starter, he didn't have to look

595
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: over his shoulder. I think that's when he really took

596
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: a huge jump as far as his production and his

597
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: fear of not throwing interceptions and all that stuff. He

598
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: got rid of all that, just played the position and

599
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: really took over. We went nine to seven, went to

600
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: the playoffs. He had a fabulous year and helped me

601
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 3: get an extension. Then he went on his way and

602
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: we went on our way.

603
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: On the Cousins situation on Monday night, you know, they

604
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: struggled in the red zone in their couple of trips

605
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: and just I mean, he's new to the team, but

606
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: that final drive, it's pretty clear in that situation when

607
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: a team has probably a buck forty plus kicking it

608
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: out of bounds, you get the ball at the thirty

609
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: year one pass away from being pretty close to midfield,

610
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: and clearly, you know, Vic Fango, in my opinion, has

611
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: been one of the better defensive coordinators. I don't know

612
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: for a long time, but felt like they were pretty soft,

613
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: you know, and the safeties were way back, and those

614
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 2: holes were pretty easy for Kirk when they were not

615
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: getting any pass rush. What did you see on that

616
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: final drive that made it so easy for the Falcons

617
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: that was stealing candy from the baby?

618
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: They ran our nascars come outs up with a spin

619
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 3: and the dagger behind it, and he hit the spin

620
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: for a game of ten. Then they come back to

621
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 3: no Head and they played two deep Philadelphia in the

622
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: corner jumps a flat route like a like a rookie

623
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: would do, I guess, and they threw the Dan Bencher

624
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 3: out right over the top of for game about twenty five,

625
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: and then they played really soft. The one thing I

626
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: think had it been me, is defensive corn. I know

627
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: they got a rookie corner out there, but the guy

628
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: can't really move right now. You've got to bring some

629
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 3: kind of pressure, and they just brought a four man rush.

630
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 3: They weren't even getting close to him. And Kirk Cousins

631
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: probably would be the best seven on seven quarterback in

632
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 3: the National Football League. His accuracy and anticipation and he

633
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 3: can set his feet and throw the ball. He is

634
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 3: accurate as all get out, so you have to get

635
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 3: him off his spot. If you don't get him off

636
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: his spot, and he can step into a throw and

637
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: see it, there's nobody as accurate as Kirk, and he

638
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: proved that last night.

639
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was a big time drive for

640
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: him early in the season with a new team. Going

641
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: back to the Dalton situation, who's in the news this week.

642
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: Obviously he's going to start. But I think it's been

643
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: talked a lot about with these rookie quarterbacks, the logic

644
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: of red shirting him, which doesn't really happen anymore, right,

645
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: and throwing them right into the fire. Dalton falls under

646
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: that category. Had played a Ton clearly a mature guy,

647
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: kind of like a Dak Prescott or a Brot Purdy.

648
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: Not your normal rookie, is it safe to say. But

649
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: still there is a big transition period. Did you get

650
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: like you said, you just didn't really have a choice.

651
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: Is that an ideal situation? How do you attack that

652
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: from a coaching standpoint because you see these I mean,

653
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: Caleb's really struggling getting crushed. Bo Nicks looks kind of

654
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: over his head right now, and Jaden's just kind of

655
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: running around.

656
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's tough. Everybody's different. Every quarterback is different,

657
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: and then you have to protect them with the scheme.

658
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: And you look at some of these coaches calling these players.

659
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: They're throwing nine bubble screens again, and like, dang, challengeing

660
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: guy a little bit. But you know, Andy was just

661
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 3: a very brank guy. Another thing we had the good

662
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: fortune of we had a really good defense, and I

663
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: didn't feel the pressure to score. Every time we had

664
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 3: to ball or convert every third down, I'd ran a

665
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: draw sometimes on third and eight or screen of the

666
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: back or whatever it might be, and punted and trying

667
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: to get the ball back. So we had really good defense,

668
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: Our special teams was good, and Andy did not turn

669
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: the ball over and kept us in games. We won

670
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 3: nine games this first year. He won ten the second

671
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: year and eleven or third year, and then I got

672
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 3: the job of Washington. So every quarterback is different. How

673
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 3: they handle it. Andy was really well prepared on protections

674
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 3: and new where to go with the football. Not the

675
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 3: most accurate guy all the time, but very smart and

676
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 3: handled a lot of information and did a great job.

677
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: Some of these quarterbacks, you know, they I don't know

678
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 3: if they can handle it or not. There's there's so

679
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 3: many different things nowadays. You know, in college they're clapping

680
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 3: their hands or looking at the sidelines or doing anything

681
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 3: with protections. Now all of a sudden, they might trying

682
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: to Mike point or not Mike point. I don't know

683
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 3: who's free. And it's just a long way to go,

684
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 3: a long process for these guys to get comfortable. They

685
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: want total knowledge of the position right now. I don't

686
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 3: think any of them are. I think they're just snapping

687
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 3: the ball, letting the center call everything and end a

688
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: free rusher comes, he just throws it away or scrambles.

689
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 3: So these guys have a long way to go, a

690
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: lot of talent. But you know, even some of the

691
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: second year guys are struggling. We just you know, Saw Elevens.

692
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 3: Every game he has a terrible interception or a fumble

693
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 3: or something like that across his team. So, yeah, these

694
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: guys are struggling, but they just got to keep playing

695
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 3: until they get it.

696
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: You bring up a pretty good point. Your Cincinnati teams

697
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: were really talented, good offensive line, you just drafted aj Green,

698
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: Your defense was stacked. But Andy, I mean hit the

699
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: ground running. And you look at Bryce Young, unlike your

700
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 2: roster back in Cincinnati or the Niners or what Dak

701
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 2: took over. It's pretty terrible. But on individual plays, Bryce

702
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 2: looks I mean, let's face it, horrendous. So when you

703
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 2: saw that decision, he couldn't be any worse. Really through

704
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: the first two games, even independently of what's around him.

705
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 2: Is that you work for a place where the owner

706
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: had a lot of opinions to getting involved. Clearly that's

707
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: going on in Carolina. What was your first reaction when

708
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: you saw that?

709
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: I think it had to be done, you know. I

710
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: think when you look at a quarterback, you look at

711
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 3: his progress and what's he doing good? What can we

712
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 3: build on? And I didn't see one thing when it

713
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 3: comes to the quarterback position that you felt like you'd

714
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 3: get build on with Bryce. I mean, his arm talent

715
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: didn't look there, his decision making didn't look very good,

716
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: his aes capability didn't look very good, his stature in

717
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 3: a pocket, his knowledge of the game thrown into coverage.

718
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: There was just nothing that I saw him getting better at.

719
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: That's the problem that I had with Bryce. He'd love

720
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: to see him Okay, he's getting rid of the ball quicker,

721
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: he's anticipating some throws, but he's taking sacks, he's missing throws,

722
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 3: he's throwing bubble screens in a dirt. There was just

723
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: really no redeeming quality. I think they had to do it.

724
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: I think the team you have to do that as

725
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: a coach, and very similar when I made the move

726
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: to Kirk. You know, the team sees the film. They're

727
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 3: watching the film, and if you don't make a move,

728
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 3: you're gonna lose respect in the locker room from your players.

729
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 3: And I think that's why coach Canalis had to make

730
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 3: that move.

731
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: So what happens now? Does he just run the scout team.

732
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: Do you treat it a little bit different than a

733
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: normal backup quarterback?

734
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: I think it like a man and understand, hey I

735
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 3: didn't play very good. You know he's got to He's

736
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: got to point the finger to himself, first directly and

737
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 3: then getting the meeting room and continue to develop if

738
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 3: and he gets hurt tomorrow or next weekend, he's a

739
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: back in the in the fire. So he's got to

740
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 3: continue to prepare himself like a pro. Understand that he's

741
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: very He's a young player still, and if you look

742
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 3: around the league at some of these quarterbacks like Baker Mayfield,

743
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 3: he's on his fourth team already, so there's still time

744
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 3: for him to develop. And he just got to be

745
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 3: patient in the process, believe in the process, but really

746
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: make himself better and understand the game.

747
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 2: You talk about Colt when he was there with Alex

748
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: and I think Cousins and then I get asked this

749
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: question a lot, and I think from just a pure

750
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 2: evaluation standpoint, from a scouting standpoint, like talent is probably

751
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: not the most important factor when you look at a

752
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: backup quarterback. You know your quarterback guy, OC head coach,

753
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: what do you look for in a backup quarterback beside

754
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: like what he's going to cost relatively or salary, all

755
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: things being equal, what's an ideal backup quarterback?

756
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: Well, you have to make sure he's ready to go

757
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 3: and play if something happens. I know first hand quarterbacks

758
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: get hurt all the time. You look at last year,

759
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: I think nineteen of them got hurt.

760
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: So, yeah, sixty six guys played or something.

761
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: That's the number they got to play. But you also

762
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: have to have somebody that's knowledgeable of the game, because

763
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 3: he's not going to get a lot of reps. He's

764
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 3: not going to get even in training camp. I want

765
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 3: my starter to get most of the rep I gotta

766
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: get him ready, and he's going to have to learn

767
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 3: based on what he sees and when he comes into

768
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: games and have to be prepared. So you got to

769
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 3: have a guy that you know is going to be

770
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: prepared and understand your system, be supportive of the starter,

771
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 3: help you with some idea. Sometimes a lot of backup

772
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 3: quarterbacks like Colt, those guys had good ideas for third

773
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: down or red zone or play action passes, whatever it

774
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: might be. Just be involved in the process of teaching

775
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: and working with the starter. And now when your time's ready,

776
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 3: you better be ready. And you got to count on

777
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 3: that guy to be ready despite hardly ever talking to

778
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: him like okay, this is you're always talking to the starter,

779
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: but you're talking to him as well, and he's got

780
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 3: to understand that and be ready. My first year Assistinnati

781
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: Bruce gret CAWSI was our backup. He was perfect, he

782
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: was always ready to go, very smart. He got called

783
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 3: in the first game against Cleveland, came in in the

784
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: second half, had a great odd ball to get us

785
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: a first down and then threw a touchdown past to

786
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: aj Green to win it. So and always very supportive.

787
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: Never ever was there any controversy between the starter and

788
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 3: the back quarterback. Everybody knew their place and uh and

789
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 3: that's important as well.

790
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: Would you say they'd have to be right there with

791
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: like the kicker and the punters, the lowest maintenance guy

792
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 2: in the building.

793
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but they you don't want You want them

794
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 3: to be a little bit more active in helping the

795
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 3: receivers and young receivers and offensive linemen and all that stuff.

796
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 3: They they're like another coach on the field. You want

797
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: that type of backup in your building that can really

798
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 3: help out and see the game in the big picture

799
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: and really help out and help the head coach. And hey,

800
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 3: you know, like I had Bruce and Colton, those guys

801
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: are great. They help out in lots of different areas,

802
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: not just playing quarterback and worrying about themselves.

803
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 2: They really are a hybrid role right coach player because

804
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: ideally they never take a snap.

805
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: Yeah that's ideally, you know, but but they have a

806
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 3: lot of knowledge. You know, the quarterbacks usually one of

807
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: the smartest guys on the team, and they can help out.

808
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 3: And as a coach, you gotta you know, they'll help

809
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 3: you with the pulse of the locker room as well.

810
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 3: You know, they're not snitches, but they will help you

811
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 3: with the pulse of locker heye, you know, you're a

812
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 3: little too rough on these guys that they I want

813
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: to take a day off or go a little lighter

814
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 3: or whatever it might be. They have just a great

815
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: idea of the pulse of the locker room and they're

816
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: a big help in a lot of different areas.

817
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: I got this question recently, and I thought it was

818
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: pretty fascinating. As a head coach, whether you're calling the

819
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: plays or not, we often see the guys write little

820
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 2: notes throughout the game. What typically are you writing down

821
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: during the course of the sixty minutes.

822
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 3: On the game plan? You're just writing down plays that

823
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: you called, or what happened, or what coverages you might

824
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 3: have seen, maybe percentage of coverages you're seeing on third down.

825
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 3: You know you have different categories on third and two

826
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: to five. Okay, we got mad on this one. We

827
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 3: got mad on this one. So you know they might

828
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: play their cover three on the next one or whatever.

829
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: Just little notes to yourself, or you're making notes on play,

830
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 3: like if you've got a star player, you haven't got

831
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 3: them a ball yet. You got to try to find

832
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 3: the plays that are best suited to get him that ball.

833
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: And a lot of different things you can write on

834
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: sometimes right down the referees name that guy just gave

835
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 3: you a bad call at guy's name is Bill. I'm

836
00:40:55,560 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 3: going to get after Bill in his next rife. You know, easy,

837
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: get right nowt on there.

838
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 2: Are you ever writing down like so and so looks terrible?

839
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: We got to make mention of this he's out of

840
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: shape or this coverage is a bad.

841
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 3: Can't all do that. I used to take my phone

842
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: out there sometimes and make notes on my phone. People

843
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 3: think I was on the phone, but I would make

844
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: notes on that play to and walk through. We gotta

845
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 3: we gotta go over that protection schemer. We got to

846
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 3: make sure we find a third corner because our third

847
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 3: corners aren't very good on special teams and they can't

848
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 3: run and things like that. Yeah, oh yeah, you make

849
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: those notes all the time as a head coach.

850
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: So you would say the notes during a game are

851
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: very specific to that game in terms of coverages, play calls,

852
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 2: what's working, what's not, individual players we need to feature

853
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 2: on this play stuff like that.

854
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: Or ideas for the next series too, Like if you're

855
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 3: getting ready to punt and then the next series, you

856
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: might have a thought, oh my gosh, I got to

857
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: get to this play action. You might circle it or

858
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: make a note of what play action pass you want

859
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: to get to early, what runs you want to get to,

860
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: what personnel groups you want to I mean, the play

861
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: the game plan is usually pretty thick and a lot

862
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 3: of different person l groupies and plays and personnel groupies,

863
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 3: play action, quick game, empty motions, all that stuff. Then

864
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 3: you have your specific third down, red zone, short yardage,

865
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 3: all those and there's some plays that really worked for

866
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 3: you in practice, that really look good in practice, you

867
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: know your quarterbacks feel good about You got to make

868
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: sure you get those off the script at some point

869
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: because you don't want to take them with you when

870
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: the game's over.

871
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: Would you consider yourself a West Coast offense guy? Yeah?

872
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: Probably, I learned everything from my brother worked for him

873
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 3: for seven years in Tampa, and then I went to

874
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 3: the UFL and I kind of added my own stuff.

875
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 3: And then I got the offensive coordinator job at Cincinnati,

876
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 3: and mainly it was a lot of Tampa stuff. Actually

877
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 3: had I called up the Bible for Football two thousand

878
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 3: and eight, Buccaneer Playbook.

879
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: I use a lot.

880
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: You had good Man beaters, quarters beaters in there, a

881
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 3: lot of different information in there that I really liked,

882
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 3: and I use a lot of the terminology is very similar.

883
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 3: And then when I got the job at Washington, I

884
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: kept Sean McVay on because he worked with Shanahan's and

885
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 3: I wanted to try to implement some of their runs

886
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: and play actions with what we did, So we kind

887
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 3: of change the terminology a little bit to suit the quarterbacks,

888
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 3: Kirk and Robert, so they'd have to learn everything brand new.

889
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 3: So we kind of kept the running game very similar,

890
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: the play actions very similar. And then the past concepts

891
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 3: that I liked from the West Coast we kept over

892
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: from Washington firm, Cincinnati, andam Well.

893
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: I wrote down because I wanted to ask you. Obviously,

894
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: Kyle's father and now Kyle and the Kubiaks who might

895
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: as well be Shanahan's as well, Clints crushing it with

896
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: the Saints. How would you describe the Shanahan offense.

897
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: I think it's all predicated on the outside zone. Is

898
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 3: that what really they'd made famous? And then the play

899
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 3: actions off of it. Really, I think their passing game

900
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 3: is pretty much nothing really special. Their protection schemes are

901
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 3: a little shit when they get down or they have

902
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 3: a lot of third downs, they are not quite as

903
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 3: effective as something teams like and Andy Reid type guy.

904
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 3: But first and second down, these guys will kill you

905
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 3: if they're having success on first and second down. They

906
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: have a litany of play action passes and boot and leaking,

907
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: the tight ends out around the backfield, and the runs

908
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 3: they get going their very schooled and how they want

909
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: their run blocking to be. They have different variances off

910
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 3: the outside zones with the sifting and very creative ways

911
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 3: to get to the same spot, which is what I

912
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 3: liked about how they ran it. I actually think Kyle's

913
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 3: best season as a play caller. We had Robert Griffin

914
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: as a rookie. I mean, he put in the plays

915
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: nobody's ever saw. You know, the zone reads with the

916
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 3: sifting tight end and then they're bluffing that guy, and

917
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: then he's keeping it with a lead blocker, and then

918
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 3: they're pulling out phoning a glass route right behind the

919
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 3: pire Garson and then finally lead caught up with it.

920
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: They weren't. They were starting to fall back a little

921
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 3: bit on some of these sift blocking, but that first

922
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 3: came in. He was given defense as Nightmares, and so yeah,

923
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 3: he's definitely a great play call off first second down,

924
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: probably one of the best.

925
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned when they get down, they get in trouble. Well,

926
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: you're not always going to be you see the Saints

927
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: right now, or just curb stopping people and they just

928
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: keep running the ball down your throat. Kyle for a

929
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: lot of his careers had good teams and they do that,

930
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: but when they find themselves down they did against Vikings,

931
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: it gets weird. So how do you overcome You can't

932
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 2: just change your whole offense, but how do you get

933
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: better in just we're going to throw the ball in

934
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: second and third down no matter what here because we're

935
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 2: down a couple of scores, Like, how do you practice that?

936
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: Because it seems it's it's been a bugaboo For Kyle,

937
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: I would say over he had that run where he

938
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: was down seven points in the fourth quarter, they were like,

939
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: oh and thirty eight or something. Yeah, he's going to

940
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 2: all these NFC championship games. So how do you balance

941
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: to become more complete? Like Andy?

942
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just not a big fan of

943
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 3: his past, his true pass concepts when he's down and

944
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 3: you know, it's just not a big fan of me.

945
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 3: They're I don't know. I just I just don't understand

946
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: a lot of them. And that's just something you have

947
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: to continue to work on through OTA's training camp and

948
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 3: all that stuff. You got to prepare to be down.

949
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: You know, it's always it's a lot easier to call

950
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 3: plays when you're ahead by fourteen points on first and second.

951
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 2: Down and when.

952
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 3: Not Many coaches haven't had a lot of success calling

953
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 3: plays down having to come back. It's very difficult when

954
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: you're a one dimensional team. It's very difficult in the

955
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: NFL to have success. I'm not saying that any I

956
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 3: did have a lot of success. I'm just saying from

957
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 3: a pass game standpoint, when I study teams, that would

958
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 3: be one of the last teams I would look at

959
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 3: as far as past concepts go on known passing situations,

960
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 3: I'd go elsewhere look for other pass concepts.

961
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: Is the West Coast offense better in that situation because

962
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: they're passing games so predicated on the quick game, three

963
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 2: step drops, getting rid of the ball quickly.

964
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 3: So I mean, Kyle, they still have the quick game too,

965
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 3: but I just like to down the field passes. You know,

966
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 3: the Sean Payton pass game when he was at New Orleans,

967
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 3: that's really and my brother when he was at Oakland

968
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 3: and obviously Tampa Bay. Those were the pass games that

969
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 3: I really liked. I really studied when John was out

970
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: of football. Sean Payton and Drew Brees and obviously Tom

971
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 3: Brady was they were kind of different. Bill O'Brien and

972
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 3: all those coordinators that he had there. They were a

973
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 3: little bit different, but they still spread the field pretty

974
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: good and made it a little bit easier for the quarterback.

975
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: And it just made more sense to me on the

976
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 3: eye where if people were or why they were getting there,

977
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 3: who were there reading Sometimes I just feel like, Kyle,

978
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 3: guys are just running all over the place with no

979
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 3: rhyme or reason. But those are the teams. When Drew

980
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 3: Brees was in his heyday. It was Sean and they

981
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: had you know that they worked in backs, they worked

982
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 3: the weak side linebackers, and they worked the crossing the

983
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: routes extremely well. Uh, that was one of the best offenses.

984
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: I think, what are your thoughts on brock Party.

985
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: Oh he's great. You know, I think he's nobody expected

986
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: him to do what he did, you know, and I

987
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: know he gets a lot of not I don't know,

988
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 3: he doesn't get enough credit for the success that he's had.

989
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 3: Everybody gets. Oh, Kyle Shannon is a great play caller.

990
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: You know, somebody's got to execute this offense. And sure

991
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 3: he's had some clean pockets and some really good looks,

992
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 3: and you got a credit Kyle for some of those.

993
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: But still he's delivering a football and he's taken some

994
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: hits and done a pretty good job of getting their

995
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: team in position to win.

996
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: Uh.

997
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 3: Do I think he's want the top quarterbacks in leg

998
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,479
Speaker 3: I don't think he's want top quarterbacks in the league,

999
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: But he got to give him a lot of credit.

1000
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: I think he's pretty damn good.

1001
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to get you out of here asking

1002
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: you about two guys. You know, looking back, obviously you

1003
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: had known McVeigh because he had worked for your brother

1004
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 2: and it coached, like you said, with with Kyle and Mike,

1005
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: so he had kind of learned a different scheme. But

1006
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: was it a pretty bold move at the time when

1007
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: you made him your offensive coordinator, even though I think

1008
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 2: at the time you were gonna call plays right as

1009
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: the head coach, but still like he had been the

1010
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 2: tight end coach. He had to be what twenty seven,

1011
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: twenty eight years old? That is age well, but at

1012
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: the time, were there some people looking at you a

1013
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: little funny?

1014
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I think it costs a lot of

1015
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: older guys like myself opportunities to coach again because now

1016
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 3: everybody's going young. I don't make it. You know, if

1017
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 3: I don't make him flordinator, he doesn't get that head job.

1018
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 3: I don't think the floor is where he is. And

1019
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 3: a cat at Miami and Zach Taylor, I mean, everybody

1020
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 3: went young. But yeah, I got rid oficuled a lot

1021
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 3: for that. But Sean was perfect for me because I

1022
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: knew the players respected him, and he knew what he

1023
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 3: was doing, and he he has a photograph. He remembers

1024
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 3: things that I don't remember. At Cincinnati, Hey, remember you

1025
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: called this play against the Giants on third and eight.

1026
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 3: I go, what are you talking about? You know he

1027
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 3: remembered that, so he was. It was perfect for him

1028
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: to for me to implement Shawn his offense coordinator, to

1029
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 3: marriage have a marriage between our two systems, and it

1030
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: worked out pretty good. We're pretty good an offense there.

1031
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 3: For a couple of years. We had Jordan Reed and

1032
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 3: Chris Thompson on the backfield, and obviously Pierre and De

1033
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 3: Shaun and jameson Crowder. We were pretty exciting at one

1034
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 3: time and gotta get a little give a lot of

1035
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 3: credit to him.

1036
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: And you were letting him call plays by the end,

1037
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: weren't you At different times.

1038
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: It was because I was calling plays because I like

1039
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 3: to call plays off the cuff. I don't like to

1040
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 3: look at the script and call plays, but up up, up, up, up,

1041
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 3: like a robot. I kind of call plays as soon

1042
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 3: as it plays over. I know what I'm calling, I

1043
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: call it. And I sometimes would call a play in

1044
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 3: a running game like we would call our I runs

1045
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 3: in the nineties series at Tampa, and they were a

1046
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 3: teen series here, so sometimes I'd say ninety three week

1047
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 3: or whatever. No, it's thirteen, and he'd be yelling in

1048
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 3: my ear and be God, damn it, you just call

1049
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: the plays and we would communicate and put together game

1050
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 3: plan together. So I let him talk to the quarterback

1051
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 3: because he was with the quarterbacks a lot more than

1052
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 3: I was, which I really regret looking back. I didn't

1053
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: spend as much time with the quarterback meetings as I

1054
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 3: should have being a play caller because there were so

1055
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: many other things to do. But it was it just

1056
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 3: made more sense to let him talk to the quarterback,

1057
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 3: and if I wanted to play, we would. I would

1058
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 3: tell him what to run or whatever.

1059
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: When he was interviewed for the job, obviously you know

1060
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 2: your family thinks really highly of him. You were working

1061
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: with him and knew how smart he is. But the

1062
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: transition for a guy thirty one thirty two, me and

1063
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: him are about the same age. I remember thinking like,

1064
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: this is not going to work, just having I worked

1065
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: for Andy Reid, just knowing how hard it is for

1066
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 2: a young guy, and let's face it, it probably couldn't

1067
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: have gone much better over the course of his career.

1068
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: Were you shocked, I mean, did you think it was

1069
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 2: like you got to take the money. But man, this

1070
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 2: is gonna be tough.

1071
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's always tough. He walked into a

1072
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 3: great situation though. They had a number one pick and

1073
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: Jared Goff at quarterback, and they're able to get Aaron

1074
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 3: Donald and had some good players. I think they they

1075
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: had Ramsey at corner, so he had a lot. He

1076
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 3: had some pretty good players, you know, and Gurly Yeah, yeah,

1077
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 3: pretty good players, you know. And some coaches aren't that fortunate.

1078
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 3: You look at canals walking in a Carolina. I mean,

1079
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 3: they got a lot of work to do. They need

1080
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 3: about twenty five first round draft picks next year to

1081
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 3: turn that thing around. And some teams are built a

1082
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 3: little bit better than others when you get the job,

1083
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 3: and you got to really be careful. A lot of

1084
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 3: these coaches to become hit. I think Ben Johnson might

1085
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 3: have done the right thing just waiting a year and

1086
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 3: just seeing how these teams develop and what team he

1087
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 3: might want to go to if he gets the opportunity.

1088
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 3: The flip side is if you wait for the next job,

1089
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 3: you may not get one if your team doesn't perform well.

1090
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 3: So you got to strike while at Iron Scott if

1091
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 3: you want to become a head job. But Seahn's a

1092
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 3: smart guy, and I know he handles people extremely well,

1093
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 3: and that's important. He's a great communicator to all kinds

1094
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 3: of different people and a good motivator. So he was

1095
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 3: an easy pick for to become a head coach.

1096
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: What about Kevin O'Connell, He damn sure looks the part right.

1097
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: If you're going to cast a head coach or a

1098
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 2: former quarterback in a movie, it'd probably be him. But

1099
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 2: he's clearly damn good. And you know he was your

1100
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: quarterback coach and your offensive coordinator.

1101
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kevin's perfect. And I hired him at Washington because

1102
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 3: he had a different background. He played for New England,

1103
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 3: so he had that New England system. He worked with Kelly,

1104
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 3: so he had a little bit of that offense in him.

1105
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 3: I don't you know, I didn't like to just hire

1106
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 3: guys that knew our stuff. I wanted to hire guys

1107
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 3: that had a different knowledge of different systems. And it

1108
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 3: was really good. He was a really good, good addition

1109
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 3: to us, and obviously he took off. He's very similar

1110
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 3: Sean a little bit different than Shawn's, a little bit

1111
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 3: more upbeat, a little bit on the edge of a

1112
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 3: seat guy, a little more energy Kevis a little bit

1113
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 3: more laid back, but very bright, articulate and really good

1114
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 3: communicator as well. Sometimes he talks a little too much,

1115
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 3: I you know, come on, get it out, get it out.

1116
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 3: But he's a great, great coach and understands the game.

1117
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 2: Well, you got the itch to get back on the sideline.

1118
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: I don't really, you know, I miss game day, watch

1119
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 3: these guys on game day, but I know what it

1120
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: takes going into the game, and physically my knee. I

1121
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 3: just stand up at practice for two three hours and

1122
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 3: was walk throughs and drawing the cards up. And those

1123
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 3: long days. I can remember counting down to Wednesdays. Okay,

1124
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 3: we have sixteen Wednesdays left. You know that's a grind.

1125
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 3: And I miss the off seasons. I missed the scouting

1126
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 3: part of it. I really loved studying film on college

1127
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 3: guys in the draft and free agency and all that

1128
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 3: stuff trying to build your team. I didn't get any

1129
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 3: say in it, but it was fun to study and

1130
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,919
Speaker 3: make sure if they ever asked me who I wanted,

1131
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 3: I was ready and I had the guy ready to go.

1132
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: Had some say in some guys, but not as much

1133
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 3: I would like to. And that's that's My favorite part

1134
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 3: of the game is picking the players.

1135
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 2: What about working in Washington for Dan Snyder? Would you

1136
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: say that aged you a little bit? Or was that

1137
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: one of those that I'm glad I got to experience it.

1138
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the first couple of years were rough,

1139
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 3: you know, because of the RG three three thing. But

1140
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 3: finally they gave in and understood and realized that Kirk

1141
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 3: was a better player. So I got a hell of

1142
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 3: a lot of heat for that. In fact, I think

1143
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: I probably would get fired after my first year. The

1144
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 3: second year, I think the higher Scott mccluan to fire me.

1145
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 3: But fortunately we came back and beat the Buccaneers and

1146
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 3: went on a playoff tear. We won like eight games

1147
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 3: in a row, went to the playoffs that year. So

1148
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 3: I actually made it another year and then got an extension.

1149
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 3: But you know, for the most part, it was okay

1150
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 3: working for me. Stayed out of it, but some of

1151
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 3: the major decisions were you know, he'd kind of go

1152
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 3: to Bruce and then they'd come back to me. Free

1153
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 3: agency and the way we picked players I didn't really

1154
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 3: agree with. We had a staff of player or coaches,

1155
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 3: we had a staff of scouts, and we did a

1156
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 3: lot of work and a lot of homework. I just

1157
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 3: did like the fact that he would make the pick

1158
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 3: even though he's the owner. I understand that. But if

1159
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 3: he was in the meetings like Mike Brown was at

1160
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 3: Cincinnati and listen to scouts and listen to coaches talk

1161
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 3: and evaluate, then I would understand it. But I didn't

1162
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 3: understand it the way he did it.

1163
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: Well, Jae, I appreciate you taking all the time and

1164
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 2: go have fun on the putting green. Work on that

1165
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: putting stroke, and you know you'll be breaking seventy five

1166
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: before you know.

1167
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 3: Come back to the claw. You know, I went across

1168
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 3: seat and I'm regular. I'm now on the claw. I

1169
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 3: don't know what to do.

1170
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, anytime you're on the claw, I know you got

1171
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: a lot of things going through your head on the

1172
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 2: pudding shrup. Okay, Jay, thanks man, have a good one.

1173
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: Thank you. The volume