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Speaker 2: A lot of things going on d MA. I'm gonna
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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I'm good for the most part, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. We had a nice little halftime performers
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Speaker 3: halftime of the first preseason game. So everything was good
Speaker 3: right until I walked in here. Okay, and if anybody
Speaker 3: who's watching, if you was watching last week, okay, the
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Speaker 2: How about you? How are you?
Speaker 4: Brother? I'm good.
Speaker 5: I moved the daughter into her dorm room, so yeah, yeah, man,
Speaker 5: was it was good. It was good sitting up in
Speaker 5: the church because they wanted to pray over the soccer teams.
Speaker 4: Was in church and I'm gonna lie, man. I started crying,
Speaker 4: started crying.
Speaker 5: Man, you're dropping your first child off of school, and
Speaker 5: you know, it's like, wow, here you are because you
Speaker 5: never forget. Obviously, all three of you got a child,
Speaker 5: so you never forget the first one. And just everything
Speaker 5: there and how did I get from.
Speaker 4: There to here?
Speaker 2: Start crying on us.
Speaker 4: No, I ain't gonna cry, but that's where I was.
Speaker 4: But that's just what it was. It's like, you know,
Speaker 4: wow wow.
Speaker 5: So so that was my weekend and one hundred and
Speaker 5: nine degrees driving from Tyler back to town.
Speaker 4: It was getting burnt up on the steering wheel. Was hot.
Speaker 4: But all good, man, all good.
Speaker 3: So good, good deal. I love to hear it. Man,
Speaker 3: b see what about you manas the weekend?
Speaker 6: Everything, everything's amazing, man, family doing good. Kids start at
Speaker 6: school next what tomorrow? Tomorrow?
Speaker 2: Get out that it's gonna get a little bit better.
Speaker 3: Was gonna get better. You got what's your window? You
Speaker 3: got a four or five hour win, so drop off
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Speaker 4: Wenesday. So that's how you Wednesday?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how you know what's going on with Marry Church.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell y'all for me. You know, I told
Speaker 3: y'all man, my son broke his hip training about a
Speaker 3: month ago.
Speaker 2: Went to the doctor today, that thing is all healed up.
Speaker 3: We wanted to go boy, so we trained back on
Speaker 3: the tracks, you know what I mean, sophomore playing Boysit man,
Speaker 3: we're looking forward to it, but hey, we got to
Speaker 3: talk about some cowboy football. Dallas Cowboys played on Saturday
Speaker 3: at four pm at eighteen and T Stadium, and man,
Speaker 3: there are a lot of good things that came out
Speaker 3: of that of that preseason game. But one of the
Speaker 3: big things that everybody in Cowboy Nation is talking about
Speaker 3: is number forty two Deuce Vonn and Neuie. Tell me
Speaker 3: what you saw, man, Anything good came out of that,
Speaker 3: especially the running back position that we've been talking about.
Speaker 3: I mean, at nauseam, I think what we saw in
Speaker 3: camp translated to the field.
Speaker 5: We alway talking about all aux Noar. This, this gentleman
Speaker 5: is not all Auxnar. And in so many ways, this
Speaker 5: kid performed like he did at Kansas State. You know,
Speaker 5: you had question marks and then you see him playing,
Speaker 5: Oh okay, he's fine.
Speaker 4: So he's going mad the football team.
Speaker 5: And it was just kind of interesting being in the
Speaker 5: media tent and people with well, you know, you can't
Speaker 5: have turping, and you can't have you can't have Duce Vaughn.
Speaker 5: Why not, and just even reading Calvin Watkin's like, well,
Speaker 5: you know, what.
Speaker 2: Do you do?
Speaker 5: It's turfing in Trump said turping on the bubble. How's
Speaker 5: a Pro Bowl returner on a bubble. It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 5: It's not gonna happen. They're going to keep both, which
Speaker 5: is also why McCarthy wanted to see Turpin in a
Speaker 5: receiver role.
Speaker 4: Let me see what else you can do.
Speaker 5: So to me, when you start talking about you know,
Speaker 5: who's the dude should.
Speaker 4: Be working for his job?
Speaker 5: Somebody like send me for Hoko, who's not a special
Speaker 5: team's god. So if you ask yourself, go into a
Speaker 5: football season, who's gonna help you on Sundays?
Speaker 4: Who's giving you more players? Turpin, simme foco.
Speaker 5: He's pretty simple, right, interpret and you go back to
Speaker 5: duzawand gonna be on the football team.
Speaker 4: They like it. Hey, coach likes it. Likes he's gonna
Speaker 4: tell some jersey he might sell more forty two jerseys.
Speaker 3: Safety's running backs, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: You know, and I'm coming out of that for too,
Speaker 6: because I.
Speaker 4: Mean, you can't four two at the running backspy forty three.
Speaker 2: But that was wrong with that. We'll see, we'll see,
Speaker 2: we'll see.
Speaker 6: But nah, you know, coming from that game, of course,
Speaker 6: we're talking about due fun and you know, I think
Speaker 6: he showed a lot of us that he belongs in
Speaker 6: this league. You know, he belongs with still question marks
Speaker 6: on him out there as far as I'm concerned because
Speaker 6: of those, because when we look at it, all right,
Speaker 6: when we look at what he was doing, Yes, does
Speaker 6: he have great vision.
Speaker 2: Of course, he can hit.
Speaker 6: The hole and he's extremely elusive back there, so he
Speaker 6: had some home run potential.
Speaker 4: But to me, when I look.
Speaker 6: At it, I mean, it was one preseason game and
Speaker 6: he was going against if we're being honest, he's going
Speaker 6: against guys that or just came out of college just
Speaker 6: like he did. He wasn't going against the first team
Speaker 6: you know, Jacksonville defense out there. He was going against
Speaker 6: threes and fours out there, and he looked impressive. So
Speaker 6: to me, I just need a bigger sample size. You know,
Speaker 6: maybe next game he goes out there and he plays
Speaker 6: in the first quarter, he plays in a you know,
Speaker 6: earlier in that first half, to see what he can
Speaker 6: do against a little bit better competition. But for the
Speaker 6: competition that he went out there against, he played well.
Speaker 6: He was elusive, he made plays out there, and like
Speaker 6: news said, he's gonna make this team. To me, I'm
Speaker 6: with Calvin Waker's a little bit of Calvin Clarence Hill
Speaker 6: a little bit when it comes down to Watkins where
Speaker 6: it's Turpin or Douce whan Ill, because to me that
Speaker 6: that's who roster spots taken up by almost the same
Speaker 6: individual gadget type guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, so it's up in the air. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go against you a.
Speaker 3: Little bit, just because the semi for Hoko thing is
Speaker 3: really giving Turping a spot. To me last week, I'm
Speaker 3: sitting there and I'm saying, you know what if if
Speaker 3: Simmi Fooko go out there and he plays, but if
Speaker 3: he went out there and he showed it he could
Speaker 3: do something in the game, then I think Turpin will
Speaker 3: be in trouble one because I don't think that Turping
Speaker 3: and Deuce are the same. I don't think you can
Speaker 3: use him the same anymore. After I watched him. Deuce
Speaker 3: is are running back all right. He's gonna be in
Speaker 3: the backfield and he's gonna be It's gonna be a
Speaker 3: few gadgets, but they can run. They can line him
Speaker 3: up and run the read rezone. They can run the
Speaker 3: read option. They can do all that stuff with Deuce
Speaker 3: his ability to be elusive. I'm just I said this
Speaker 3: to you on Saturday night. I said, listen, what they
Speaker 3: thought Clyde Edwards Hilaire was supposed to be when he
Speaker 3: got into the league, being able to do what he
Speaker 3: did in college is what I saw in the one
Speaker 3: preseason game. Albeit what I saw from Duce Vaughan when
Speaker 3: he played that game. So you see him make those
Speaker 3: strides towards r B two, not RB three, And it
Speaker 3: doesn't concern you at all as far as blocking third
Speaker 3: down even no, no, no, I.
Speaker 2: Didn't say RB two. I push.
Speaker 3: What I saw from him. So when I watched and
Speaker 3: this is ls you think. When I saw Clyde Edwards
Speaker 3: Hilaire play in college, what I expected to see him
Speaker 3: do when he got to the Kansas City was what
Speaker 3: I saw duce Von do.
Speaker 2: Be elusive, still run with some power.
Speaker 3: So it's still not you can't like we saw him
Speaker 3: get picked up at practice, You're not gonna see him
Speaker 3: get picked up like that in the game because you
Speaker 3: got to try to tackle the guy, right. And when
Speaker 3: you add the element end of like okay, now we're
Speaker 3: going live, you can see that he has a little
Speaker 3: bit more elusivity than what you had.
Speaker 2: Saw out there practice.
Speaker 3: And I think that is gonna bowl well for him
Speaker 3: now you know, see me, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what Sydney got.
Speaker 6: But if he's not RB two, all right, If he's
Speaker 6: not you know, solidified as that running back too, he's not,
Speaker 6: So is he just gonna be a gadget guy RB three?
Speaker 4: So how many touches is RB three get? And he
Speaker 4: will put RB three in there?
Speaker 3: For if they said we're gonna run the ball as
Speaker 3: much as McCarthy said, he's gonna run the ball, and
Speaker 3: depending on how it starts with the offensive line, I
Speaker 3: think we'll be running the ball a lot. So, putting
Speaker 3: in context the game on Saturday, there were twenty two rushes.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's just say.
Speaker 3: In a normal game, if you have twenty two touches,
Speaker 3: the majority of those are gonna be taken by Tony
Speaker 3: Pollard getting seventeen.
Speaker 2: Eight he is seventeen eighteens.
Speaker 3: Then you're distributing those in between Duce and Ronald Rico
Speaker 3: dall or whoever else. Hold on, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 3: hold on, listen. I think that's fairy. But just like
Speaker 3: Tony poul and Zeke, if you got a guy that's
Speaker 3: getting the game doing what deuce deal if he plays
Speaker 3: against he comes out in week one and he plays
Speaker 3: like he played on Saturday. All right, you're gonna tell
Speaker 3: me we're gonna sit here and say nah, because he's
Speaker 3: RB three, he can only get two carris. So you're
Speaker 3: gonna say, we're gonna put this guy in the game
Speaker 3: and see what he can do. Because he's he's obviously
Speaker 3: a difference maker change of pace to our one change
Speaker 3: of pace guy. But he's one of tho guys you
Speaker 3: get out there on Beef and he said, okay, he's
Speaker 3: hide behind the offensive line. He's hard to see. We
Speaker 3: can run screens with him, we can run gadget plays
Speaker 3: with him. Oh yeah, and he can run it between
Speaker 3: the tackles. They put him down there to score on
Speaker 3: the four yard line and.
Speaker 2: He makes a move. He does it. I mean almost
Speaker 2: textbook to run that he had it. It was a
Speaker 2: great run.
Speaker 3: But now, and let me just say this as far
Speaker 3: as the offensive coordinator, now, Mike McCarthy in his mind,
Speaker 3: when you're putting toge other a deuce package, and I
Speaker 3: think what you're alluding to is a RB three, you
Speaker 3: keep a guy like that just for four or five plays,
Speaker 3: what else is he gonna do? But if you have
Speaker 3: a package like that, what would that package entail.
Speaker 5: For some of the some of the screenplays they ran
Speaker 5: out there were pretty cool and McCarty.
Speaker 4: Thumpa's like they can't. He's like, they're trying to find it.
Speaker 5: So there'll be packages in there for him, I think
Speaker 5: obviously Tony Powler's one. I think duce right now is
Speaker 5: three at two. You're looking for Malik Davis, ric O'dowdell,
Speaker 5: Ronald Jones, who's gonna miss two games because of a suspension,
Speaker 5: and then he's missing camp right now, and you know,
Speaker 5: my man holds onto the ball goes under the end zone.
Speaker 2: Then it was a nice it was a nice play.
Speaker 4: He showed some explosives.
Speaker 5: But I think so so so, I think they're going
Speaker 5: to have a tough choice basically between Rico dal and
Speaker 5: Elik Davis at this point time. And so I think
Speaker 5: there's gonna be some guys cut that they bring back.
Speaker 5: Take for instance, Semi for Hoko, who can be cut.
Speaker 5: Let's say it's between Davis or down one of those guys.
Speaker 5: Because they know the system other team systems, they won't
Speaker 5: necessarily know. I can see them bringing those guys back
Speaker 5: because this is what they've done in the past. And
Speaker 5: if Will Greer happens to not make the football team,
Speaker 5: I can see Will Greer being a guy that doesn't
Speaker 5: get picked up by anyone because they say, maybe he
Speaker 5: doesn't know enough of our system and we have who
Speaker 5: we want to be our number three guy, and the
Speaker 5: Cowboys can bring about this practice squad's gonna be a
Speaker 5: very interesting place and they're gonna have to make those decisions.
Speaker 5: That's why the Seattle game is so big because who
Speaker 5: plays well again that you start to say, and you guys, notice,
Speaker 5: we can't hide him.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, right, we can't.
Speaker 5: Right, we can't let him get out there. So that's
Speaker 5: that's the interesting thing with some of these positions where
Speaker 5: you're like, well, we like this guy, you like that guy,
Speaker 5: who is it? You get cut and you say we
Speaker 5: can get back, like Cooper Rush last year. Cooper Rush
Speaker 5: will not be cut again. You know they're gonna keep him,
Speaker 5: but that's what they did last year.
Speaker 4: Who can we let go?
Speaker 5: And maybe another team doesn't want it because they're like, man,
Speaker 5: he's not gonna.
Speaker 4: Really know our system, our package.
Speaker 5: But that's why a Duce Vaughan is gonna make this
Speaker 5: team and a Turpe's gonna make this team because if
Speaker 5: you put those two out there right, you're not getting
Speaker 5: him back.
Speaker 3: We all agreement that duce Von stock is I'll get
Speaker 3: that shooting through.
Speaker 4: He's off all he's off. He has made the team.
Speaker 3: And you are saying that Urping is for sure on
Speaker 3: this team because he made the Pro Bowl last year.
Speaker 2: He made the Pro Bowl even with the fumbling issues.
Speaker 2: Let me get yeah, little fumble light is there.
Speaker 4: Little made the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 5: Fossil is Fossil has juice. Fossil's got juice. But right now,
Speaker 5: if you don't have Turping there, who's doing it?
Speaker 3: They kicked them if they kicked the ball to deuce
Speaker 3: if they I mean because they punter fumbled the snap.
Speaker 3: So it was like one of those rugby kicks. He
Speaker 3: didn't really get an opportunity to get out there and show.
Speaker 2: What he can do.
Speaker 3: But those are the type of as we said, Okay,
Speaker 3: let's get him back there on part return and see
Speaker 3: if he has that same type of juice when you
Speaker 3: get him the ball in his hands then and can
Speaker 3: he secured the ball one because remember Cole Beasley used
Speaker 3: get put back there because he could just.
Speaker 5: Won, he could catch the ball, he could get so
Speaker 5: but also with Turping, there was a little friendly fire
Speaker 5: there that led to the the fumble. So but but
Speaker 5: but I put the turps on for me, Turples on
Speaker 5: this football team. And one of the things that we
Speaker 5: got to talk to him at camp out a little
Speaker 5: bit was, I think it was twenty two some odd
Speaker 5: football games when not that he had played between Cowboys,
Speaker 5: you know, the preseason and the NFL season going off
Speaker 5: the uf USFLA he didn't really he was tired. So
Speaker 5: he's had an off season. I'm looking forward for the
Speaker 5: bounce back against Seattle.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 5: But but to me, Turping and vond to me, these
Speaker 5: are not question marks. For some media members as we're
Speaker 5: talking about this team, they're like, man, I don't know
Speaker 5: if you keep both of them. Yeah, you're keeping them both,
Speaker 5: because if you put either one of them out there,
Speaker 5: they're gone.
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you.
Speaker 3: If you put duce Von out there the return kicks
Speaker 3: or return punts and they let him get the ball
Speaker 3: in his hands and he shows that he could do something,
Speaker 3: then I think you should be worried about turping. One
Speaker 3: thing about it, and when I saw duce Von, he
Speaker 3: is instant energy for your offense. He just provided a
Speaker 3: spark immediately. Just the way he runs, I mean elusive.
Speaker 3: He had two guys running to each I don't know
Speaker 3: if you saw that. I mean, come on, man, I
Speaker 3: mean tell me. I'm sure Funds heard this whole life.
Speaker 3: His low center of gravity makes it very hard for
Speaker 3: guys to be able to tackle him. But I just
Speaker 3: think that one thing about him is what the Cowboys
Speaker 3: offense has been needing, especially just an instant energy guy,
Speaker 3: and he gives that immediately to this offense. But switching
Speaker 3: gears here and going back over to the other side.
Speaker 3: Another position that and I think we got some players
Speaker 3: over there is in the linebacker room, and we talked
Speaker 3: about this defense being elite in them taking the next step,
Speaker 3: and we knew that the linebackers would have to come
Speaker 3: front and center to represent this dominance on defense. Man,
Speaker 3: we've got some players over there, And I started with
Speaker 3: the Marvin Overshaw the young man.
Speaker 5: And give Will McLay and the scouting scouting department credit
Speaker 5: when they have drafted a young man who fits what
Speaker 5: they want. So many times he want to draft players
Speaker 5: based on you know whatever whatever, But who fit you
Speaker 5: know the size of measurables?
Speaker 4: Who fits what it is you do? This young man,
Speaker 4: he's the.
Speaker 5: Right culture, he's got the right attitude, Texas native cowboy fan,
Speaker 5: wants to be here, wants to play the special teams,
Speaker 5: knows his role. So you can't get enough young guys
Speaker 5: like that. So he's going to make this football team.
Speaker 5: Once again, who do you look at that you say
Speaker 5: may not make it right now?
Speaker 4: A linebacker court based off this game.
Speaker 5: Jabrill Cox is a guy who I could see not
Speaker 5: making the fifty three, but they say we want you
Speaker 5: on the practice squad. And unless he makes him plays,
Speaker 5: because I go back to this, if you put a
Speaker 5: guy out there, who's gonna take him right now? Jabril
Speaker 5: hasn't got enough tape right now, that's going to say
Speaker 5: to somebody we need him. And that's Seattle's big. Let's
Speaker 5: tell you got right now. Seattle's big for a couple
Speaker 5: of guys where you just say, okay, I gotta show
Speaker 5: him something because you only have one more game after that.
Speaker 5: But I don't anticipate Mike playing a lot of starters,
Speaker 5: So I think there's gonna be opportunity for some other
Speaker 5: guys to show their wars against some first team guys.
Speaker 5: If Pete Carroll decides that this game is going to
Speaker 5: be a dress rehearsal for him in Seattle, and so
Speaker 5: that's gonna be pretty key. If you can see some
Speaker 5: of these backup players play against Seattle's once and bother
Speaker 5: by the way, I think is gonna be even better
Speaker 5: football team than they were last year.
Speaker 4: I thought they came on strong at.
Speaker 2: The end, but you think about thirty five. Thirty five played,
Speaker 2: he played well.
Speaker 3: You can see that they know what they're doing, that
Speaker 3: they're being coached right right, because you can see them
Speaker 3: reading guardpools. You can see them making sure they were
Speaker 3: setting the edge. Then you could see the speed to
Speaker 3: chase guys down to make sure they make the tackles.
Speaker 3: I say they I'm sorry, I'm gonna get that guy
Speaker 3: later overside.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 3: He looked great, all right, And like I said, it's
Speaker 3: only it's only one week, but I think that Jacksonville
Speaker 3: still has some talent out there.
Speaker 2: And then I know at the beginning of the game
Speaker 2: they started us to win. Yeah they will.
Speaker 3: So he looked, he looked good. I think him, Lady
Speaker 3: Vanderisch and Damon Clark. I think that is a linebacker
Speaker 3: crew that you're wrecking with right there, right because they're
Speaker 3: not just one trick ponies, right They can run, they
Speaker 3: can hit, and you can see him getting covers. Those
Speaker 3: are those are the type of tall, lean guys that
Speaker 3: we have at the linebacker position. And I think that's
Speaker 3: gonna bote well.
Speaker 5: For UK translator does the thing that translated from Auctionar
Speaker 5: we keep talking about the all aux Ar guys, it
Speaker 5: translated for Overshawn Church.
Speaker 3: For you being a former safety, we've talked about your
Speaker 3: run curse and when you see Overshawan, the guy that's
Speaker 3: a tweener that can play that in dan Quinn's system,
Speaker 3: what is your mind state when you see a guy
Speaker 3: that's not just a hybrid guy. He's a linebacker, but
Speaker 3: he started out in the safety in college and he
Speaker 3: can basically do it all.
Speaker 6: As you see on the preseason game. Well, the more
Speaker 6: you can do, the better, I mean, that's what coaches
Speaker 6: always saying. This guy he's versatile, Like you said, he
Speaker 6: can play that safety position. He can be in the
Speaker 6: box and be that linebacker sideline and Sideinde. We know
Speaker 6: he has a speed, We know he has a speed,
Speaker 6: we know he has the coverage ability. But to me,
Speaker 6: what stood out because I didn't know if he had
Speaker 6: enough bricks in his pocket, Like I didn't know if
Speaker 6: he had enough weight to play at that linebacker position
Speaker 6: and kind of deal with those big offensive linemen down there.
Speaker 6: But what stood out to me, I think it was
Speaker 6: either a third and one or maybe it was a
Speaker 6: fourth and one early in that game against the starters,
Speaker 6: and they went right downhill at Overshawn and it was
Speaker 6: him and the running back.
Speaker 2: Right in the hole.
Speaker 6: Boom stood his ground right there, pushing back at the
Speaker 6: point of attack. So that shows that he can go
Speaker 6: in there and he can battle amongst the giants in there,
Speaker 6: as well as do all the stuff sideline the sideline.
Speaker 6: So like that, he said, that's trio of linebackers is
Speaker 6: going to be extremely impressive, and I'm excited to see
Speaker 6: what they can do.
Speaker 3: Now newly, I want to go to DeMont Clark because
Speaker 3: he's a guy that came in last season with the
Speaker 3: neck injury. They were not really expecting a lot from him.
Speaker 3: Got a lot of playing time out of him last season,
Speaker 3: but especially in camp and in the preseason. Man, you
Speaker 3: see why dan Quinn was high on this guy with
Speaker 3: just his broad athletic ability.
Speaker 5: I go back to Michael Parsons who said, I'm challenging
Speaker 5: guys to come meet meet the challenge that lie backer room.
Speaker 5: You know, you still have Parsons in it. So here's
Speaker 5: Parsons and that thing is gone down here and it's
Speaker 5: just kind of rolling out. He got Lake Vandersh's talking
Speaker 5: super Bowl and he's looking good out here.
Speaker 4: So I think these guys are all.
Speaker 2: It's all.
Speaker 5: You don't want to be the one right not making
Speaker 5: play it because you don't want me the want to
Speaker 5: get talked about.
Speaker 4: You don't want to.
Speaker 5: I don't think you want to incurred a wrath of
Speaker 5: Michael Parson, you know, who could be a little bit bully,
Speaker 5: you know at times about what he's expecting here. So
Speaker 5: I think they've got a standard and you see everybody
Speaker 5: trying to meet that standard in that room. And give
Speaker 5: credit to coach Scott McCurley, give him some credit here
Speaker 5: about what we're seeing so far that I can't say
Speaker 5: that it translated, which was.
Speaker 4: My biggest concern.
Speaker 5: I'm seeing all this stuff here Okay, well we see
Speaker 5: it at at and T Stadium.
Speaker 4: So far we've seen it.
Speaker 5: I love the fact that they've got one more week
Speaker 5: in California. Now go take what you have. For the
Speaker 5: guys who check the boxes that were playing and you know,
Speaker 5: go trending up, can he do it again? And for
Speaker 5: the guys who may have trended down, can you fix it?
Speaker 5: I think this is another key week here for backup players.
Speaker 5: And that's what Cowboy fans have to really get into.
Speaker 5: They know pretty much the guys they want to get out.
Speaker 5: Parsons is gonna be fine, is gonna be fine? Can
Speaker 5: these other guys who at some point in this season
Speaker 5: are going to have to help this football team. Can
Speaker 5: they get him out there? Get him going? And I
Speaker 5: think that's where Mike McCarthy hasn't got enough credit hacking
Speaker 5: for just his ability to develop these young players. And
Speaker 5: we're seeing dudes who come in here and they're getting
Speaker 5: it done, which is to me, that's exciting. That's exciting
Speaker 5: because in the salary cat world, knowing you're gonna have
Speaker 5: to pay some folks around here, it's about to be
Speaker 5: what you know it was. It predos A eighty twenty
Speaker 5: it's about to be ninety five to five.
Speaker 3: Here, and this is an easy subject for you, LSU linebacker, So.
Speaker 2: Listen, listen.
Speaker 3: He started okay against the starters, and he was a
Speaker 3: standout guy. You look at the first eight players of
Speaker 3: the game. I think he made tackles on four or
Speaker 3: five of them. It was a round the ball on
Speaker 3: the rest of them. All right. I think what happens
Speaker 3: is some people may have forgotten that the moon Clark
Speaker 3: was the guy.
Speaker 2: LSU. He was the guy.
Speaker 3: So we talked about like Michael Parsons and saying, live
Speaker 3: up to the standard. The standard for Damon Clark has
Speaker 3: always been high, right, and then he comes in last
Speaker 3: year where he probably expected to play a little bit
Speaker 3: more and do a little better, and now he's like,
Speaker 3: I got my full year. I finna show these dudes
Speaker 3: what I can do, like I should be starting. And
Speaker 3: you could tell that like that was his mindset when
Speaker 3: he was out there in the game. The dude was
Speaker 3: all over the place and this is etn he was tackling,
Speaker 3: this is he was out there. He was out there balling.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, make sure everbody's lined up
Speaker 3: in the rights. But he was doing everything that he
Speaker 3: needed to do. And it was exciting to see because
Speaker 3: I say this, I met him at Brady James House
Speaker 3: and he was telling me, Hey, man, I was like, so,
Speaker 3: what's different about here in l s U. He was like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, L s U. It's college. It was the thing.
Speaker 3: We could do whatever we want to. That's fine. We
Speaker 3: were going to go out there. We're still gonna be
Speaker 3: able to play to our best. I've gotten here and
Speaker 3: I've stopped drinking, I've stopped doing all the extra stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm just focused on football. And then you see him
Speaker 3: go out there and the words, I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you you're right the man that he was an LSU
Speaker 3: because I'm saying you watched an old L s U
Speaker 3: tape when he was there.
Speaker 2: He was the guy on defense.
Speaker 4: And it has to be this way?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 4: Get ready pay Mike Parsons.
Speaker 5: That's what You've got to get these younger players to
Speaker 5: come in here and get them under contract at a
Speaker 5: at a nice low price for a few years, because hey,
Speaker 5: this Parsons is gonna cost Oh yeah, you're gonna.
Speaker 2: Be h He's gonna back up the breaks truck.
Speaker 4: This is quarter But he's gonna even get quarterback money.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know he's not giving them discount.
Speaker 3: Yeah, BC, When you looked at the starting lineup on
Speaker 3: defense for the Dallas Cowboys, you had Dante Fowler, had
Speaker 3: Sam Williams, Williams. You had guys on our quote unquote
Speaker 3: non starters going out there that are legitimate first you know,
Speaker 3: first team guys that are clogging these reps and that
Speaker 3: I'll tell you how deep that linebacker Rulemans. But the
Speaker 3: job that they did on Saturday, what you think about
Speaker 3: and will you.
Speaker 2: Know, I think they played outstanding.
Speaker 6: And I feel like Williams is, I think he's gonna
Speaker 6: just continue to get better and better. He already has
Speaker 6: a size, he already has the build and athletic ability
Speaker 6: to be a dominant edge rusher out here. I think
Speaker 6: he'll just continue to get better and better as he follows,
Speaker 6: you know, like a Micah Parsons or a d Law
Speaker 6: out there. And and like you said, the second team
Speaker 6: for this defense right now could be a starting defense
Speaker 6: for any other team in the National Football League. I mean,
Speaker 6: when you got Dante Fowler, who has a you know,
Speaker 6: a career year sack when he had thirteen sacks in
Speaker 6: one year. You got Sam Williams coming off the edge.
Speaker 6: Just imagine what you can do at that linebacker position.
Speaker 6: When you got your dying package, you can have just
Speaker 6: Themond Clark Overshan right there. I mean, it's gonna be outstanding.
Speaker 6: I'm extremely excited to what this defense can bring to
Speaker 6: the table.
Speaker 3: We're gonna take our first break, but when we come back,
Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about the quarterbacks because it's a lot
Speaker 3: of pressure being added in there in that quarterback room.
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Speaker 2: Here on the players Lounge.
Speaker 3: Newly Shrugs is back in the building, Barry Churches in
Speaker 3: the building, and Danny McCrae is also in the building.
Speaker 2: We got the whole players Lounge in there today. Nobody's
Speaker 2: on live view.
Speaker 3: Everybody is officially in the building, but we're gonna talk
Speaker 3: about the quarterback position because obviously we're watching closely. Cooper Rush,
Speaker 3: Will Greer, Cooper rush had he was ten for twelve,
Speaker 3: all right and breaking breaking.
Speaker 6: Throw that on there, go ahead, Hey, breaking up.
Speaker 3: Hey, we're about we're about to go into this and
Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about leverage and all that.
Speaker 2: They saw enough I got the count was all pro guard.
Speaker 3: Zach Martin reaches agreement, reworked his deal. It's now worth
Speaker 3: up to eighteen million dollars.
Speaker 2: So he got his moneyball.
Speaker 4: Oh, you knew it had to happen.
Speaker 2: He got his moneyball.
Speaker 3: And you know what you were talking about that at
Speaker 3: the break, you were asking that question about the offensive line,
Speaker 3: and I think what happened Zach Martin's absence and everybody
Speaker 3: seeing what was going on at the right guard position,
Speaker 3: it was like, enough is enough, let's play is playing
Speaker 3: with this and let's get Zach back.
Speaker 2: And to be like yeah, crazy enough.
Speaker 5: So when you say reworked, but eighteen mil is not
Speaker 5: the twenty, this this this this is doable.
Speaker 4: Okay? Doable?
Speaker 6: Is it thirteen and a half okay?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we scheduled to be a thirteen yeah, and fourteen.
Speaker 5: So now it's an additional eight point five plus million.
Speaker 5: So so now you're gonna get paid up north to
Speaker 5: eighteen for the next two years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but look definitely that the line play on.
Speaker 2: Gloss that.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, you gotta he better come in with a
Speaker 4: bag of everybody. And thanks gosh, Saturday.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank.
Speaker 5: You, because I'm sure you know somebody upside he went
Speaker 5: up there, Shanhaimer the play calling, Hey, hey, what saying
Speaker 5: is suing all that posturing?
Speaker 4: Ain't nobody door got new?
Speaker 2: We care talking about leverage, leverage. We're just gonna move on,
Speaker 2: you know, future value current. Yeah, their phone called me.
Speaker 4: You know this one. This was real simple this you
Speaker 4: know what happened.
Speaker 5: Game happened, game, the game happened, and it was yeah
Speaker 5: about that. Somebody went up there to closed the door.
Speaker 5: Got that leverage, you know, so what is he?
Speaker 2: What do you want?
Speaker 4: We wanted to let the young guys be. Okay, you
Speaker 4: know what, Boss, We showed you, Boss. We let the
Speaker 4: young guys play.
Speaker 5: But you saw, boss, this is this is we we
Speaker 5: we This is as good a you're gonna get. And
Speaker 5: this is this is the beauty of John Taylor, great
Speaker 5: cowboy right always said.
Speaker 4: Sports is fluid.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sports is fluid, and you know that Saturday made
Speaker 5: it real fluid.
Speaker 4: So all of a sudden, whatever they were thinking, lever,
Speaker 4: we're here, we're not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I guess we really don't have to
Speaker 2: talk about.
Speaker 4: The Josh Ball Josh Josh Boll seventy five may not make.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna look, so how do you how do.
Speaker 4: You keep dousing? Turn seventy five?
Speaker 5: Seventy five seventy five might be on the street street.
Speaker 3: But as much as you credit this off, this this
Speaker 3: this coaching staff for developing players, and they've given this
Speaker 3: guy a lot of leeway Josh Ball to make the
Speaker 3: squad with injury, Well, let's go. But it's specifically number
Speaker 3: seven five, moving him from tackle back inside the guard.
Speaker 3: It's just never has developed for him as a player.
Speaker 3: And I'm telling y'all Saturday, when I was watching, I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 3: you know, look, I know this guy is getting reps
Speaker 3: and he's probably getting better through the reps and he's
Speaker 3: getting but that ain't.
Speaker 2: It, brother, I don't have it. And somebody somebody took
Speaker 2: the cover. Somebody took the cover off the button.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna smash that.
Speaker 5: Enough, got Zach Marpain, Zach better bring him some bring
Speaker 5: you a good old goodie bad thanks.
Speaker 3: You watch that game and you know what you could
Speaker 3: be and you know what could hold you back, and
Speaker 3: then you make that phone call.
Speaker 5: Well, look, well we know this when the draft, like
Speaker 5: everybody don't make it. Yeah, that makes you right at
Speaker 5: everybody to make it. Everyone deserves the opportunity to fail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, an opportunity to fail.
Speaker 5: He may still make it, but right now, and maybe
Speaker 5: they even a trade or what not, but.
Speaker 4: Right now, clearly clearly.
Speaker 2: Balls who drave the mall.
Speaker 5: We've seen enough people roll out of here who've gone
Speaker 5: from the cowboys, who've gone on and played other places.
Speaker 2: The government's gone on, got paid.
Speaker 5: Remember Big Corey couldn't find the field here, ended up going.
Speaker 4: Gus was up there starting for the cold.
Speaker 5: So we have seen guys leave here and go places,
Speaker 5: and and even if they're just backup players, we've seen
Speaker 5: them be able to go. And so don't starting is
Speaker 5: one thing. But can he be on somebody squad in
Speaker 5: the NFL as a backup player?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: The offensive the offensive line left a lot to be desired.
Speaker 3: I mean there was there were some things that was
Speaker 3: happening that obviously they That's why Zach Martin.
Speaker 2: There you go. They make those adjustments. What we're gonna do.
Speaker 3: We're gonna blow through this second break and go all
Speaker 3: the way through.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: But I want to talk to you because I know
Speaker 3: your favorite subject Nwie is Jalen Tober JT Money did
Speaker 3: his thing, made some plays and you can see the
Speaker 3: confidence though, you can see the confidence in the player
Speaker 3: that is. First year, his confidence was zero.
Speaker 5: We talked about this on the show. Just a guy
Speaker 5: who who could improve? Who could And he's done everything
Speaker 5: you need to do. He's been here, he's gotten the coaches,
Speaker 5: McCarthy shot and hiring, You've gone him, been around dock.
Speaker 5: He's done his part. As much as we saw. Terror
Speaker 5: still improved from that first year because it was he
Speaker 5: had a tough first year. He improved it the second year.
Speaker 5: So right now, Jalen Tolbert's on track to do that
Speaker 5: mother guy.
Speaker 2: So much you other guy sim boss man fat.
Speaker 5: I just I just I just I'm just saying, guys,
Speaker 5: two guys, I'm like, maybe we could see you know.
Speaker 5: I was looking like, what can you do this year
Speaker 5: with you know, with us? I was looking at Ball,
Speaker 5: could he get better? I was looking at Tolbert could
Speaker 5: he get better. He's looking at Kevin Jones. Could he
Speaker 5: get better?
Speaker 4: Right out? Only one of him's gotten better?
Speaker 3: Can I ask you some Okay, going into that game
Speaker 3: on Saturday, your expectation for boss Man fact Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 3: was what because now, because what you just said was
Speaker 3: I was looking at him saying, okay, this could probably
Speaker 3: maybe going into the game on Saturday, what was your expectation.
Speaker 4: Of I was down on the left Oxun. I just
Speaker 4: didn't have much.
Speaker 3: But he didn't have a PPU Kelvin Joseph had. I
Speaker 3: just the best thing he could do is hang out
Speaker 3: with CJ. Goo and and just trying to have that role.
Speaker 5: It's so so once again you start talking about turping Vaughn.
Speaker 5: You got a better shot of letting Kelvin Joseph go
Speaker 5: and bringing him back to your roster.
Speaker 4: So to me, it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: Guys like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna be guys like that.
Speaker 5: You're not letting two guys go who are going to
Speaker 5: get snatched up. You're gonna be looking at guys like
Speaker 5: a Cynity, like a Kelvin Joseph, like a Josh Baul
Speaker 5: that you can put him out there and you go
Speaker 5: bring him back in because they've got wards that maybe
Speaker 5: somebody else that's too many wards for me. I didn't
Speaker 5: see enough on tape that I want. But there's just
Speaker 5: been some things that camp, some of these guys like Tolbert,
Speaker 5: what you saw at Oxnart, it translated, it did it translated,
Speaker 5: And that's a really good thing because to me, right
Speaker 5: now he's your number four, hands down, right now, he's
Speaker 5: the four. And so if he's the four, that's where
Speaker 5: a guy like said, send me in trouble man, because
Speaker 5: Turf is gonna be in there.
Speaker 2: So that's fine.
Speaker 4: That is that's it Brooks.
Speaker 5: While Brooks didn't have a game, we thought the way
Speaker 5: it didn't translate from camp, but it Brooks brings them
Speaker 5: something and he's playing special teams.
Speaker 2: That may be his way on.
Speaker 3: But for you, two guys that went undrafted, that had
Speaker 3: to completely break your back to get on to the
Speaker 3: active roster. And I'm sure when you're watching preseason games
Speaker 3: you're looking for that underdog, you're looking for you in
Speaker 3: a player. Basically, was there anyone that that everybody's kind
Speaker 3: of flew under the radar that you said, you know, what.
Speaker 3: This guy has a legitimate chance with all of these
Speaker 3: talented players on this roster, to possibly make the roster.
Speaker 3: You know, let's go back to can I go back
Speaker 3: to Kevin Jones. I'm gonna go back to Kevin Jones
Speaker 3: just for a second because I want to continue to
Speaker 3: make sure I emphasize that I think Kevin Joseph can
Speaker 3: play football in the National Football League. I think trying
Speaker 3: to make him be the player that he was in
Speaker 3: college at the cornerback position is it's gonna take a
Speaker 3: lot longer than they have time to allow him to
Speaker 3: try to stay on the roster for I really think
Speaker 3: as I was watching him in the game, I didn't
Speaker 3: even watch him at cornerback. I just watched him play gunner.
Speaker 3: And I want to watch him run down on any
Speaker 3: other special team that he was on.
Speaker 2: I saw him get double teed, double team. I saw him.
Speaker 3: Continue to fight through and make sure he was continuing
Speaker 3: to be a difference maker on special teams. And I
Speaker 3: think that for him and this is no shot at
Speaker 3: his ability to play cornerback for him right now, I
Speaker 3: think the most important thing for him is he need
Speaker 3: to go in and say, hey, coach, I want to
Speaker 3: be the best I can be on special teams. If
Speaker 3: that means that y'all need to do whatever y'all got
Speaker 3: to do to make sure that I can be more
Speaker 3: focused and y'all can get more reps of me on
Speaker 3: special teams, then that's what I want to do. I
Speaker 3: think that is the pass away for you to be
Speaker 3: on the roster, because if you keep trying what you
Speaker 3: try to Jacksonville, right, it's like, okay, well we're gonna
Speaker 3: play them at cornerback and then we'll see if we
Speaker 3: lose something at special teams, and then you lose it both.
Speaker 3: Now you have a real issue. And I say that
Speaker 3: because I went through. I went through that exact thing.
Speaker 3: I was starting safety. Jody had me on all special
Speaker 3: teams and we was out there playing all of them
Speaker 3: and finally they were like, hey, you go back to
Speaker 3: special teams.
Speaker 5: Could it be a situation where it's c J, Goodwin,
Speaker 5: Kelvin Joseph as a choice that they make for the
Speaker 5: fifty three?
Speaker 3: Could be I don't see why you wouldn't pick CJ.
Speaker 3: Your locker room gotto, your locker room got CJ. You
Speaker 3: would have the most impact of the locker room by
Speaker 3: him leaving than you would Kevin Joseph, I believe. And
Speaker 3: the intriguing thing about Kelvin Joseph, it's just where he
Speaker 3: was where he was drafted.
Speaker 2: You know. I think if it was if it if
Speaker 2: it didn't have anything to do with.
Speaker 3: Where he was drafted, I think it's not even you're
Speaker 3: not even thinking about this and having a conversation on
Speaker 3: especially with guys like Eric Scott Junior, who you know
Speaker 3: that that are obviously coming around and doing some really
Speaker 3: good things. But and I was asking y'all that question
Speaker 3: about guys that are going under the radar, Guys like
Speaker 3: John Stevens, the tight end that you see that football.
Speaker 3: You know, guys like Isaiah Land the defensive end that
Speaker 3: are making plays may not be someone that you're thinking
Speaker 3: about to say it's gonna make this squad, but you
Speaker 3: see some of those guys actually making plays and doing
Speaker 3: some pretty good work.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 6: I'mnna be honest, but it's gonna be tough for the
Speaker 6: under underdogs on the defensive side.
Speaker 2: Of the football.
Speaker 6: I mean, when you talk about depth everywhere, there's only
Speaker 6: so many spots you can have on a team.
Speaker 2: So it's just gonna be.
Speaker 6: Extremely hard for those guys to scratch the service and
Speaker 6: get in there. I mean, you look how deep we
Speaker 6: are on the defensive line, the linebacker room now that
Speaker 6: we see with Overshan coming in secondary, I mean, it's
Speaker 6: it's gonna be extremely hard to make this football team,
Speaker 6: especially from a guy that's you know, doesn't have the pedigree.
Speaker 2: It just kind of showing up.
Speaker 4: It's it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 6: To crack this team as an undrafted guy, I think.
Speaker 3: And then our situation, you have to go back and
Speaker 3: remember its Church always says the depth of the position
Speaker 3: when we got here was was really light. Okay, they
Speaker 3: drafted what's who I saying the fourth it was me
Speaker 3: and Church a Quasi was hurt coming into rookie Minnie
Speaker 3: Camp and Mike Hamler got hurt, Pat Watkins was injured.
Speaker 3: Like we had the dominoes fall in our favor, like
Speaker 3: all the way through for us to get on the roster.
Speaker 3: And I don't think you don't see that now it's
Speaker 3: too deep.
Speaker 6: They's too deep right now, deep and young They're too
Speaker 6: deep and young man.
Speaker 3: And obviously you know, look we still have two preseason
Speaker 3: games left, and all of these count anything that you're
Speaker 3: looking for here in these last two preseason games.
Speaker 4: Kicks, man, you can't miss the extras.
Speaker 5: You cannot miss the extra points. So to me, that's
Speaker 5: something you got it. You have to look at here
Speaker 5: the NFL. Too many games are coming down the field
Speaker 5: goals here, and at a certain point time they've also
Speaker 5: got to figure out what is his range?
Speaker 4: Okay, is Maker was.
Speaker 5: A guy that you could sit out there for a
Speaker 5: fifty yard field goal. So that's your next thing with
Speaker 5: this kid, is okay, can you make extra points? And
Speaker 5: can we find out what is your range before they
Speaker 5: go out and make some decision on trying to bring
Speaker 5: a vetter.
Speaker 3: Ninety nine problems in kickers still one of them.
Speaker 2: I can't believe that we are still.
Speaker 3: Going through this with the kick of his Kay was
Speaker 3: the guy that we had in OTA's He doesn't make
Speaker 3: it through training camp and here we are, man, still
Speaker 3: talking about the kicking position. Well, man, we got a
Speaker 3: hard two thirty out on this, and so look, we'll
Speaker 3: be back here on the Players Lounge at on Wednesday
Speaker 3: at one o'clock. Nowise Scruggs is back in the building.
Speaker 3: Danny McCrae is back in the building. The man over
Speaker 3: there is Pocket's got the mumps is in the building.
Speaker 2: BC is in the the camp man people know.
Speaker 3: Man, we'll start, you'll finish this thing like we need
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