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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show is starting right now. Appreciate you being with us.

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Speaker 1: A lot of news coming in today. Things we're going

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Speaker 1: to be talking about throughout the show. Jd Vance versus

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Speaker 1: Tim Waltz, Walls whatever, walls Tonight the vice presidential debate

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Speaker 1: that only I think people who work in the industry

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Speaker 1: are going to be watching, but some other people will

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Speaker 1: watch it too. I think CBS in the can clearly

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Speaker 1: for the Democrats, they'll be moderating. Glenn aw will discuss

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Speaker 1: does it move the needle? The cliche that is unavoidable,

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Speaker 1: You can't find a better way to say it. Really,

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Speaker 1: Does it actually change things? We'll discuss that also, more

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Speaker 1: updates on what's going on in North Carolina. Just the

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Speaker 1: scale of the devast station a five hundred mile path

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Speaker 1: of destruction is what they're calling it. And what's going

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Speaker 1: on North Carolina. I mean when you see the photos

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Speaker 1: of homes, I mean town's washed away, just gone and homes.

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Speaker 1: We've lost a lot, lost a lot of people and

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Speaker 1: unfortunately a lot more likely to be added to that

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Speaker 1: number for fatalities from this hurricane. We'll talk about the

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Speaker 1: relief efforts. Clearly, the Biden Harris administration has realized they

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Speaker 1: were walking into a pretty rough news cycle unless they

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Speaker 1: started making some noise about the relief efforts that are happening.

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Speaker 1: We'll discuss and look at what has actually gone on

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Speaker 1: and what needs to happen. Still clay. Right now the US,

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Speaker 1: this is reported on CNN, Washington Post, all over the place.

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Speaker 1: According to senior officials, the US thinks that an Iranian

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Speaker 1: ballistic missile attack on Israel is imminent. The White House

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Speaker 1: has warned that an attack on Israel would result in

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Speaker 1: severe consequences for Iran. We're all hopeful that this will

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Speaker 1: be one of those moments where there's a warning that

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Speaker 1: does not turn into a conflagration. This is the clay.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if people are looking at how does a

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Speaker 1: broader war break out in the Middle East, I mean

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Speaker 1: a direct fight between Israel and Iran, it has always

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Speaker 1: been one of the top concerns, and the possibility of

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Speaker 1: other proxies getting involved, Iranian proxies, and then is you know,

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Speaker 1: Israel's allies, most notably the United States, somehow being drawn

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Speaker 1: into this. I think that it will pass without major incident,

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Speaker 1: but I could be wrong, meaning I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: think that this is going to result in a real

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Speaker 1: war in the Mid East, but it's obviously a high

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Speaker 1: alert situation. I mean, what these are all. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've got the big political story, We've got the hurricane

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Speaker 1: relief and response story, and the possibility of a big

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Speaker 1: war breaking out in the Middle East. Which which one

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Speaker 1: do you want to dive into first? I mean, these

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Speaker 1: are all obviously very important, very high level things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's a great question. I think we can

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Speaker 2: hit on all of them. My immediate response is, and

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Speaker 2: I may be wrong on this, but my antenna anytime

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Speaker 2: we know in the way that Iran is going to

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Speaker 2: ask to act publicly in advance, this feels to me

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Speaker 2: like a second round of Iran pretends that they are

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Speaker 2: really angry, but actually this is some form of a

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Speaker 2: negotiated attack. And much like when did the last one happen?

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Speaker 2: Maybe like May Ish, when Iran fired all the three

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Speaker 2: hundred missiles or whatever it was and none of them

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Speaker 2: hit the ground and they were all knocked down. When

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Speaker 2: the United States is saying, hey, we expect an Iran

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Speaker 2: attack coming, and it all feel very negotiated and almost

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Speaker 2: Kabooki theater like for show. Does that make sense if

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Speaker 2: Iran were really trying to do something to Israel. I

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Speaker 2: don't think that we would know in specific detail what

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Speaker 2: time the attack is coming, how it's happening. Hey, everybody,

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Speaker 2: go ahead and go to the bomb shelters. It feels

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Speaker 2: like Iran feels compelled to act, but in a way

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Speaker 2: that is very organized with the United States and an

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Speaker 2: Israel aware and able to protect itself. It's shadow boxing

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Speaker 2: in some ways.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the ballistic missile strikes and the longshoreman strike,

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Speaker 1: speaking of strikes, also on the East Coast has launched

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Speaker 1: a day. We'll talk about that. This could be This

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Speaker 1: could be a mess, real trouble for the economy. As

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Speaker 1: far as I understand it, there's been no progress on

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about that as well. You probably saw this

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Speaker 1: But back to the Iran issue first for a moment here.

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Speaker 1: First off, we do not have a commander in chief

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Speaker 1: worthy of the name. I think that's I don't even

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Speaker 1: think there's a dispute over that. Really, Joe Biden is

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Speaker 1: not somebody who you want making important, time sensitive decisions

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Speaker 1: which could come into play if this were to get bigger.

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Speaker 1: In Clay. On the ballistic missile front, yes, Israel has

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Speaker 1: the ability and with US help, to shoot down ballistic

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Speaker 1: missiles that are in coming to Israeli territory. The other possibility, though,

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Speaker 1: is that Iran acts through proxies as Belah and others

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Speaker 1: And you don't even want to start to think about

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Speaker 1: how how far the tentacles. I mean Hesbela operates in

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Speaker 1: has has activities usually involved in drugs, money laundering and

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Speaker 1: create big problems. Not so much nation state warfare level problems,

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Speaker 1: So I think you're I think it's not going to be.

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Speaker 1: This isn't the big one that's about to happen. I

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Speaker 1: don't have any I don't have the inclination that that's

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Speaker 1: what's gonna come come out of this. But you know,

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Speaker 1: they did kill Nosurala and the guy who followed on,

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Speaker 1: and they blew them all up with their pagers. In

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Speaker 1: a sense, the Israeli you know, you could say that

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Speaker 1: this is an opportunity, or rather this is a moment

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Speaker 1: You could also say there's an opportunity for all the

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Speaker 1: enemies of Hezbollah and Hamas and these jie hottist terror

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Speaker 1: nightmares and the Iranian regime. I might add to say,

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Speaker 1: all right, you know, maybe maybe we maybe we start

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Speaker 1: to go with the strong horse a little bit more

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Speaker 1: openly here, which is Israel. Maybe maybe we start to

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Speaker 1: push the advantage here a little more as the IDF

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Speaker 1: is real. You know, the IDF has been able to show,

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Speaker 1: you know, when the gloves come off, the other side

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Speaker 1: is not on the same not on the same level.

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Speaker 1: I think that's important, Buck, because so far, by and large,

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Speaker 1: Israel has not aggressively attacked inside of Iran. Now I

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Speaker 1: know they have they engaged in a targeted assassination. They

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Speaker 1: have had a variety of different small scale attacks they

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Speaker 3: But buck, what I would like to see, and I

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Speaker 3: know people.

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Speaker 2: Are gonna say, oh my goodness, this I'd like to

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Speaker 2: see Israel just wipe out the attempt of Iran to

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Speaker 2: get a nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 3: If they have just think what follow with me here?

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Speaker 2: I was reading the story about the way they killed uh,

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Speaker 2: the head of Hesbola. They have designed missiles that are

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Speaker 2: almost of a cascading effect, that meaning they knew that

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Speaker 2: the way that they hit these is one you know,

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Speaker 2: kind of blows up one after the other. Why would

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Speaker 2: they not have the ability to do that? Where Iran

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Speaker 2: is trying to develop nuclear weapons? Now there may be

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Speaker 2: a concern about what the explosion inside of the Iranian

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Speaker 2: bunker busters. But I don't you know, it seems like

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Speaker 2: we're kind of tiptoeing around the edge here, which is

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Speaker 2: Iran wants to get a nuclear bomb, and if they

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Speaker 2: get a nuclear bomb. They think it protects the Ayatola

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Speaker 2: basically the rest of any of our lives. It seems

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Speaker 2: like Iran is playing a little bit fire here because

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Speaker 2: what Israel has shown is such a technologically sophisticated ability,

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Speaker 2: as you just said with the IDF that I think

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Speaker 2: they could wipe out the Ayatola. I think they could

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Speaker 2: wipe out Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 3: We don't know how know how close they are.

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Speaker 2: I think Iran is playing with fire here, which is

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Speaker 2: why I think the response is shadow boxing, because if

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Speaker 2: I don't think the United States would be putting out

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Speaker 2: waving its arms saying, hey, an attack is coming everybody now.

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Speaker 2: To your point, if Iran really wanted to take this

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Speaker 2: to an escalating level, I actually think it would be

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Speaker 2: doing something in the United States. And that is where

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Speaker 2: all of these illegal border crossings. Is there any doubt

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Speaker 2: to you that there are hundreds of potential sleeper cell

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Speaker 2: terrorists that have been able to enter our country through

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Speaker 2: the southern border. To me, there isn't, And why is

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Speaker 2: that scary? If we know there's thirteen thousand murderers that

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Speaker 2: people with criminal records. That's according to the border that

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Speaker 2: came out last week that nobody wants to cover. But

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Speaker 2: it only took nineteen people to engage in nine to eleven.

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Speaker 2: If it only took nineteen terrorists to create nine to eleven,

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Speaker 2: I have zero doubt that far more than that have

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Speaker 2: to engage in a terror attack in the United States.

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Speaker 2: That seems one of me one of.

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Speaker 1: Many reasons why having a wide open border that's effectively

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Speaker 1: a joke is not just a political and economic catastrophe

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Speaker 1: in the making, it is also a national security risk,

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Speaker 1: a major national security risk. And that, by the way,

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Speaker 1: no other country would stand for. No other country would say,

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Speaker 1: we're going to allow millions of people to come in.

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Speaker 1: We don't even know who they are. In fact, a

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Speaker 1: lot of them are murderers and rapists. You see that

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Speaker 1: ice stuff. By a percentage, it's not a lot, but

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Speaker 1: fifteen thousand murderers is a lot of murderers. Okay, fifteen

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Speaker 1: thousand rapists, A lot of rapists. I mean the people

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Speaker 1: of a lot of other I know, desperate, convicted.

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Speaker 2: Buck, We're not even just talking about all the people.

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Speaker 2: A lot of these are convicted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, these are people that have killed people, and we've

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Speaker 1: let them in the United States because we're a nation

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Speaker 1: of immigrants. The imbeciles all say, this is a you know,

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Speaker 1: this is a moment I think where people can recognize

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Speaker 1: having control of your borders. I mean, think about this.

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Speaker 1: The Israelis control their borders, and they realize that the

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Speaker 1: existence of the Israeli state is contingent on that. And

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Speaker 1: they especially learned this after what's known as the Second Intifada,

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Speaker 1: where what two thousand and one, two thousand and two,

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Speaker 1: they had suicide bombers just infiltrating into Israel proper all

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Speaker 1: the time and killing as many people as they could

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Speaker 1: in pizzerias, you know, bar MIT's, fuzz birthday parties, you

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Speaker 1: name it. And the Israelis just said, that's it, and

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Speaker 1: they built they built the wall, they built the security fence,

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Speaker 1: which Clay, you'll go see soon enough. I've been to

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Speaker 1: that wall. It is a it is a formidable, formidable fortification.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm I'm seeing this play out. I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: that the challenge here is not so much how does

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Speaker 1: Israel handle the Iranian military. It can, we can, That's

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Speaker 1: not the issue. It's the asymmetrical warfare, terrorist cells against

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Speaker 1: soft targets where yeah, that's not going to overthrow the

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Speaker 1: Israeli government or you know, it's not gonna seize it's

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Speaker 1: not gonna seize Tel Aviv with that, but you can

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Speaker 1: We got the VP debate coming up tonight. We've got

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Speaker 1: ILA Union of long Shoremen has decided that they are

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Speaker 1: The estimates are the shutdown will be anywhere from one

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Speaker 1: This has cut three. He threatened to cripple all of us.

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Speaker 3: Play it tear folly means I have to go back

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Speaker 5: Ninety days after cooling off period. Do you think when

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Speaker 5: They're gonna be like this, who's gonna win here? In

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Speaker 3: And could today's world. I'll cripple you. I will cripple you.

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Speaker 3: And you have no idea what that means. Nobody does.

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Speaker 1: We have no idea what that means. We actually have

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Speaker 1: there's breaking news that that missiles have been launched from

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Speaker 3: Do you worry that this strike the capital to settle

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Speaker 5: Are you worried that this strike is going to hurt

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Speaker 1: They reached the export market. They're telling me that they're gonna.

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Speaker 6: Hurt them, start to realize who the long shoremen are, right,

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Speaker 6: nobody can Tapa Nevi gave it about us until now

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Speaker 1: I wish the ISLA didn't get its spokesman from the

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Speaker 1: in the public's eye right now, Clay, we can get

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Speaker 1: it's absolute devastation that supply chain. You're gonna interrupt supply

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Speaker 1: let's look at what they want. The ports have agreed

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Speaker 1: way of technology. This is the real sticking point. They

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Speaker 1: don't want automization product projects to be able under contract

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Speaker 1: to be instituted at these facilities. Why because they want

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Speaker 1: to be able to keep their boot at the throat

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Speaker 1: of American shipping and commerce at a moment's notice. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is not a new thing. We get the term

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Speaker 1: Luddite from it's actually it's apocryphal.

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Speaker 3: There was when the.

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Speaker 1: I think it was the wool it was the wool

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Speaker 1: weaving industry in the UK Clay and there was new

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Speaker 1: you know, a new like machines essentially to do it

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Speaker 1: much more efficiently, and there were these stories that people

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Speaker 1: were smashing the machines and that ned Lud was the

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Speaker 1: the guy leading this charge. There was no ned Lud,

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Speaker 1: but Luddite is the term we get from this for

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Speaker 1: somebody who's anti technology, right, stop the technology, stop the progress.

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Speaker 1: It never works. But really, what they're doing, in my mind,

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Speaker 1: Clay is reminding everybody of the need to automate as

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Speaker 1: much as you can, as fast as you can, because

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Speaker 1: if this is how the human beings that are in

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Speaker 1: charge of this through their collective bargaining agreement, are going

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Speaker 1: to operate, it is too much of a risk to

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Speaker 1: the economy and society going forward. You know, you're not

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Speaker 1: a hero if when you're in the er room, you

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Speaker 1: know you're in the er and someone's bleeding out of

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Speaker 1: the table, you say, you know this hospital doesn't pay

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Speaker 1: me enough. I want a million dollars, or I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to treat I'm not going to operate on this patient.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: I know that's a pretty extreme version of it, Clay,

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Speaker 1: but this does look much more like extortion to me

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Speaker 1: than good faith bargaining. What does technology? You're going to

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Speaker 1: stand the way of technology on top of wanting a

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Speaker 1: seventy seven percent pay increase. I yes, Look, I always know,

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Speaker 1: as you well should know also that whenever there are

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Speaker 1: disputes between labor and management, there's always some truth on

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Speaker 1: each side, right, That's why the dispute exists. I'm never

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Speaker 1: someone who comes out and says management's awful, they're wrong

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Speaker 1: on everything, or labor's right, they're right on everything. The

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Speaker 1: reality is eventually they come to an agreement. That's the

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Speaker 1: entire basis of the collective bargaining process. But Buck, the

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Speaker 1: president has the ability to end strikes. And again this

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Speaker 1: is it's been a while since I studied presidential authority

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Speaker 1: and exactly how it applies. But given what's going on

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Speaker 1: in North Carolina and Tennessee and the massive amount of

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Speaker 1: damage and resources that are necessary to help the people

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Speaker 1: in those states, I don't think it's crazy for the

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Speaker 1: president to exercise his political authority and demand that these

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Speaker 1: guys stay on the job until we can.

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Speaker 2: Solve the issue. There is where this is where leadership matters. Okay,

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Speaker 2: and it's complicated and it's dynamic, and it's difficult. Do

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Speaker 2: we trust Joe Biden to be able to work through this?

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Speaker 2: We talked yesterday about two major interstates right now or

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Speaker 2: shut down because of the damage from Hurricane Helen. I

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Speaker 2: forty in particular, which is a major conduit across this country,

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Speaker 2: and I forgot I thirty six or thirty five is

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Speaker 2: the other one. We had the truck driver call in

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Speaker 2: and discuss the chaos that exists from a transportation perspective

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Speaker 2: because of Hurricane Helen. Now a huge portion of the

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Speaker 2: port system in the United States is shut down, which

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Speaker 2: is going to restrict even more the distribution and flow

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Speaker 2: of goods. And if you've forgotten about what the impact is,

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Speaker 2: remember when we had the supply chain crisis on the

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Speaker 2: West coast and mayor Pete is out there basically non existent,

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Speaker 2: and what that did to cost of goods and difficulties

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Speaker 2: out there. I'm concerned Buck that we could start to

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Speaker 2: see some panicked buying in some of these grocery stores

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Speaker 2: and some of these big box retailers because people decide, hey,

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Speaker 2: I want to make sure i've got enough. Remember when

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Speaker 2: you couldn't buy toilet paper anywhere in the United States

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Speaker 2: during the COVID mess. If people start to believe the

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Speaker 2: supply chain is breaking, guess what happens. The supply chain

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Speaker 2: breaks because generally speaking, its function. We don't have inventories

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Speaker 2: backed up in these places four weeks at a time.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're also going to see that there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of there's a lot of rerouting that they're going to

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Speaker 1: do to the West coast ports, but that takes time, costs,

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Speaker 1: slow downs, right, So there are some ways that they

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Speaker 1: can try to alleviate this, but it's going to create

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Speaker 1: a mess. It's going to be a big problem. And

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Speaker 1: I just think that the notion that you should be

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Speaker 1: in a position where you can engage in essentially collective

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Speaker 1: extortion to prevent technological progress that would make everything more

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Speaker 1: efficient and better for all Americans, they're playing a dangerous

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Speaker 1: game here. A lot of times when yous you know

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Speaker 1: to your point, yeah, there's some truth. Look, they agreed

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Speaker 1: to a fifty five percent pay raise, right, that's the

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Speaker 1: truth on both sides. When you're agreeing But when you're

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Speaker 1: saying you're not allowed to use technology in ports to

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Speaker 1: make things more efficient, what you're saying is we want

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Speaker 1: effectively a government backed monopoly here. Yeah, because the governments

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Speaker 1: are the only reason the government enforcement of union contracts

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Speaker 1: or you know, union rather regulations is the only reason

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Speaker 1: that unions can get away with what they do in

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Speaker 1: the first place. I look this up in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 1: Clay in twenty fifteen, so I don't know what it

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Speaker 1: is now, but this is the most recent one I

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Speaker 1: could find. West Coast union longshoremen make over one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year, A lot of them make over

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Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars a year, and some of their

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Speaker 1: union bosses make over three hundred thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 1: And they all get free healthcare, excellent healthcare they don't

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Speaker 1: pay a dollar for. I'm sitting here. I'm like, So,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have union guys. You're gonna make and I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have long short and you're gonna start making

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Speaker 1: if they get what they want, I mean, start at

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Speaker 1: the two hundred thousand dollars level. If you get a

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Speaker 1: seventy seven percent increase. You now you're making close to

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Speaker 1: three hundred grand in base salary. Okay, that that seems

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Speaker 1: like a good gig. What are the qualifications to do this?

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Speaker 5: Again?

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Speaker 1: Like, how long is it takeing? You know, I know,

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Speaker 1: I know some people who are who are doctors, who

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Speaker 1: to make three hundred grand. Yeah, and they go to

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Speaker 1: medical school for six years I'm sorry four years and

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Speaker 1: then four years of residency.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I get it. And that's why I

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Speaker 3: think it's complicated.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, their salaries can act as at

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Speaker 2: tax and an inflationary impact on all.

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Speaker 3: The goods that we buy.

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Speaker 2: Because guess what, when you have to pay a lot

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Speaker 2: more to get a product into a port, the company

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Speaker 2: doesn't just say, okay, we're gonna eat that cost. The

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Speaker 2: company says, we're going to bump up the cost of

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Speaker 2: all of our goods in order to cover the new

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Speaker 2: higher labor costs that we have. So whatever you end

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Speaker 2: up like, this cost gets passed down to you. Right

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Speaker 2: when in terms of you going out to the grocery

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Speaker 2: store wherever else you go, all of those goods that

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Speaker 2: it's not like the companies eat them. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And there are reasons why there are boundaries. You know,

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Speaker 1: there are boundaries on this, And to your point about

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Speaker 1: the presidents stepping in, but they don't want you right now,

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Speaker 1: right because they're shaky with Kamblo, with the unions. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: that's why they're doing it, because they know they're in

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Speaker 1: a particularly power You think they try this crap under Trump,

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. They're in a particularly powerful position

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Speaker 1: visa the Democrats with a weak candidate who doesn't have

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Speaker 1: union support, and so they know that they're pushing it

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Speaker 1: even more. But you know, the American people see this

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Speaker 1: and and just you know, the ISLA is not endearing

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Speaker 1: itself to anybody right now, especially when you look at

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Speaker 1: the numbers and look at what the demands are and

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Speaker 1: this idea that they had to show up during COVID, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so did grocery store employees. You know, calm down, Okay,

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Speaker 1: everybody got COVID and lots of people showed up to

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Speaker 1: work during COVID. It doesn't make you some heroes. We

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Speaker 1: all actually learn the lessons here. Okay, COVID, everybody got COVID,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people went to work. Doesn't mean you

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Speaker 1: get to hold a gun to the head of the

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Speaker 1: American economy afterwards. So you know, maybe I'm a little

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Speaker 1: a little too strident on this, but from what I see,

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Speaker 1: you know, Okay, what if the NYPD just said, you

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Speaker 1: know what, our cops need to make twice as much

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Speaker 1: money or else we're not shown off to work tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: Is that collective bargaining?

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Speaker 3: Is that fair?

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Speaker 1: I mean, be against New York state law. Of course,

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Speaker 1: it's against the law for a reason. But I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: why is it against the law because it's extortion. What

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Speaker 1: they're doing right now feels very extortionate. It does not

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Speaker 1: feel like good faith collective bargaining, which is why they

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Speaker 1: have the chief goon going out. They're like, yeah, feel

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Speaker 1: the pain.

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Speaker 3: And here's the other thing I would say, is we

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Speaker 3: go to break.

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Speaker 2: I would argue that all of this is bad for

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Speaker 2: Kamala and Biden because the more chaotic their ten year seems,

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Speaker 2: the less argument there is for hey, we need you.

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Speaker 2: In the same way that I think they used BLM

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Speaker 2: riots to try to demean Trump's leadership by trying to

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Speaker 2: tear him down and argue, oh, a new pro president

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Speaker 2: will bring more stability. Well, now Democrats are in control everywhere,

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Speaker 2: does it feel stable to you as we wait for

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Speaker 2: all these rockets to arrive in Israel. Does it feel

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Speaker 2: stable to you when the East Coast shipping lanes are

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Speaker 2: shut down? Does it feel stable to you that we

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Speaker 2: don't have a president that can deploy resources to take

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Speaker 2: care of people in North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, and Virginia

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Speaker 2: and South Carolina, all the people in the Appalachian region.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't to me. I want to tell you, Look,

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Speaker 2: Hundreds of missiles from Iran have arrived in Israel.

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Speaker 3: We are going to go.

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Speaker 2: All different coverage of this coming back in the next hour.

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Speaker 2: This is from the official Israeli account. A short while ago,

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Speaker 2: missiles were launched from Iran towards the state of Israel.

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Speaker 2: Israelis are instructed to remain alert and follow the commands.

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Speaker 2: You can watch these videos of these missiles coming in Buck.

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Speaker 2: It looks like something out of the movie as they

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Speaker 2: are trying to intercept all these different missiles, but a

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Speaker 2: lot bigger attack than what happened in April. What is

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Speaker 2: Israel going to do in response? This is absolute failure

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Speaker 2: of the Biden administration. We'll give you more when we

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Speaker 2: come back next