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Speaker 1: I'm Charlie Pallet. Equities end of the day, a little changed.

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Speaker 1: SMP five hundred index advancing one point on this Monday,

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Speaker 1: a drop of two tenths of one percent. Ten You're

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Speaker 1: Gold down thirty dollars, the ounce to twelve sixty three,

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Speaker 1: the drop of two point four percent. Nimex crude was

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Speaker 1: down two point eight percent. West Texas Intermediate following a

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Speaker 1: I'm Charlie Pallett, and that's a Bloomberg Business Flash. You're

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Speaker 1: listening to Taking Style with Kathleen and Pim Fox Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: What will the Federal Reserve do? What will the US

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Speaker 1: economy do? What should it be doing? What you should

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Speaker 1: be doing with your money. All these questions and more

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put to my next guest, Joel Stern. He

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Speaker 1: is the chairman the chief executive of Stern Value Management,

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Speaker 1: and just as a note, I believe that we can

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Speaker 1: describe him as a pioneer in a shareholder value and

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Speaker 1: linking financial economics with corporate performance and corporate valuation. Joel Stern,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for coming. It's always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: So I started by, I mean, everyone wants to know

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Speaker 1: if they if they knew, you know, wouldn't really be

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Speaker 1: much fun, right, I mean if everybody had the same opinion.

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Speaker 1: But tell me what your thoughts are about the U

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Speaker 1: s economy. And I know you travel a great deal,

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Speaker 1: so you have some perspective the US economy and the

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Speaker 1: federal reserves place in it. Okay, the United States economy

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Speaker 1: has been growing out about half of what its potential is.

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Speaker 1: It should be growing at close to four percent a

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Speaker 1: year now. When we had the recession back in seven

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Speaker 1: so negative. We have to revert back to macroeconomic theory.

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Speaker 1: What does it tell us? It says the faster you fall,

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Speaker 1: the faster you come. Out, but that didn't happen this time,

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Speaker 1: and people were puzzled. The late Gary Becker, who was

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Speaker 1: a very close friend and a Nobel Prize winner at

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Speaker 1: the University of Chicago, he said that the major reason

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Speaker 1: why the growth rate was so small was because of

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Speaker 1: the reregulation of the US economy. In other words, let

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Speaker 1: me use my my terminology for it. The determining factor

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Speaker 1: is what is the return on total capital going to be.

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Speaker 1: You invest in a new project, you need to be

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Speaker 1: sure in your mind or reasonably sure that the rate

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Speaker 1: of return earned on capital employed will be greater than

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Speaker 1: the required rate of return based on the risk of

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Speaker 1: the investment. That's the whole key to this thing. Now,

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Speaker 1: if the risks go up because government comes along and says, oh,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna aggregate or revoke your property rights, essentially, that's

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Speaker 1: what's happening. That increases the risk of making a decision.

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Speaker 1: And what if that crowds out good worthwhile investments that

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Speaker 1: are job creators and that strengthen the dollar and do

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Speaker 1: all kinds of good things for the U. S economy.

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Speaker 1: When that happens, then the growth rate falls to about

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Speaker 1: where it has been. And what's amazing is that whenever

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Speaker 1: the President or other members of ex happening to talk

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Speaker 1: about the economy, they always look for the snippet that's

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Speaker 1: doing very well, but they don't tell us about all

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Speaker 1: of the people who have dropped out of the workforce

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Speaker 1: because they are discouraged. They've been unable to find the

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Speaker 1: work they want. Also, some people who accounted as working

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Speaker 1: don't want to have, and they would want to take

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Speaker 1: the jobs that were would be the strong growth jobs,

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Speaker 1: and they're just not available to them. So that's one thing.

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Speaker 1: The second thing I should tell you is that because

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Speaker 1: of the baggage, the excess baggage I carry as having

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Speaker 1: been a student at the University of Chicago in economics

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Speaker 1: and finance, I am a compulsive free market here. In

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Speaker 1: other words, I say to myself, what would things look

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Speaker 1: like if we simply had a wide open and free economy. Incidentally,

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Speaker 1: I'm even I even disagreed with Gary Gary Becker when

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Speaker 1: I said to him one day I'm against anti trust laws.

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Speaker 1: He said, why wouldn't that create monopolies? Not if we

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Speaker 1: have very open borders. Let's have no tarists, no import quotas,

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Speaker 1: no exports up todays. Be like whom not be like Mike.

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Speaker 1: Let's be like Singapore, Let's be like Hong Kong. Let's

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Speaker 1: be like places that are growing like crazy. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, for those people who believe in a larger

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Speaker 1: role for government, what they should do is examine how

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Speaker 1: well India has been doing, especially since Mr Modi became

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Speaker 1: the Prime minister. It's not that he's been freeing the economy.

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Speaker 1: He has simply been saying to himself, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to let regulations stand in the way. The monopolies and

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Speaker 1: governments still exists. Unfortunately, they should be either privatized or

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Speaker 1: they should do what we did for the US Postal

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Speaker 1: a bonus system which will create tremendous innovation uh and

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Speaker 1: and and on cost cutting. I want to bring this

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Speaker 1: back though, to the June fourteen and fifteen meeting at

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Speaker 1: the Federal Reserve and the current level of interest rates.

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Speaker 1: What what did the economy tell you that the Federal

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Speaker 1: Reserve should do or not do? The reason why interest

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Speaker 1: rates are low and the reason there's no way to

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Speaker 1: escape this. In fact, the reason why interest rates are

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Speaker 1: low is because the economy is doing so poorly. Interest

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Speaker 1: rates would rise if real returns were rising at a

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Speaker 1: they signal the world that high rates of return on

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Speaker 1: capitol are being earned. In the United States, the fact

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Speaker 1: that we have low interest rates is a very sad tale.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you might say, oh, well, businesses benefit

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Speaker 1: because they pay low borrowing costs, But think about all

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Speaker 1: of the millions and millions of savers who are earning

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Speaker 1: next to nothing. Can I tell you a pretty quick story.

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Speaker 1: I was having my taxes done recently and I had

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Speaker 1: forgotten about my checking account at Citi Bank, and they said,

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Speaker 1: you forgot to give us the tax material. I said, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it won't make any difference. My total interest income for

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Speaker 1: last year was thirty seven dollars and forty two cents.

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Speaker 1: They will not care if we didn't report that, even

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Speaker 1: though they have it from the bank and we all left.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it sad? Hey? Not long ago I used to

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Speaker 1: have a very big numbers interest income. Not anymore. So.

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Speaker 1: The question is what should retired people do who cannot

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Speaker 1: earn a decent return on their savings. And it might

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Speaker 1: encourage them to make a mistake and put their money

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Speaker 1: into the share market. So what do you have a solution?

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Speaker 1: What do you think can you do it in ten seconds?

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Speaker 1: With the fellow reserves simply got to get out of

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Speaker 1: the way. They have to let infest rates be whatever

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Speaker 1: they would be. But you see right now they can't

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Speaker 1: afford to raise infest rates because it would caused the

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Speaker 1: economy to go right into recession. Thank you very much,

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Speaker 1: Joel Stern, Chairman, chief executive Stern Value Management, sharing his

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Speaker 1: thoughts about the economy and what needs to happen to

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Speaker 1: make it grow. You've been listening to taking Stock. I'm

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