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Thanks for making us part of your day. 12 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, meaning Joel Clat one hour from now, as 13 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: we head into a college football weekend. 14 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 3: You know, Jay MC. 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: Listen to Chicago Radio this morning, they're all worked out, everybody. 16 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: I had three different people, what what. 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 3: Do you make at? What are you making? Tato? 18 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: Will you? 19 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: I said, it's a long season. I'm not sure, but 20 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this this morning. We're both parents, 21 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: and you know, parents want their kids to be number one, 22 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: number one in the class valedictorian, got to start on 23 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: the basketball team, number one. It's all nonsense. It's all nonsense. 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: Where you go to college, where do you fit best? 25 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: Is where you should go to college if you're going 26 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: to be a success. Phil Knight started at Oregon. He 27 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: eventually went to Stanford, but he started, you know, at Oregon, 28 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: And that's kind of. 29 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: The reality of life. It's about fit. 30 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: Here's where finishing number one doesn't necessarily help you. Getting 31 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: drafted as a quarterback. JJ McCarthy was the fifth quarterback 32 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: taken and Bo Nix was the sixth. Yet they got 33 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell and they got Sean Payton, Lamar Jackson, last quarterback, 34 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: first round. Last player actually went to the Ravens. Patrick 35 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: Mahomes pick went to the Stable Chiefs. Josh Allen, third 36 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: quarterback taken Aaron Rodgers, Dan Marino fell in the first round. 37 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: One got Don Shula, Super Bowl second year, the other 38 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: one got, you know, the Packers. I don't know how 39 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: good JJ McCarthy is. I don't know how good bo 40 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: Nicks is, but I suspect they're both going to win 41 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: their division a lot and over the course of fifteen 42 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: years they're gonna win a bunch of games. Because I 43 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: think Kevin O'Connell is the best young offensive coach in football. 44 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: I know Sean McVay, yeah, but I mean, I don't 45 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: even consider Sean McVay young anymore, right, Like, he's a 46 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: veteran head coach, and that's a lot of it. There 47 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: are a lot of bad coaching staffs in this league. 48 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: And even when you get a coach that's not bad, 49 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: pretty good Mike Tomlin, it doesn't mean he has any 50 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 1: understanding or any sensibility on how to help a young quarterback. 51 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: If you go look at Jared Goff's entire career, it 52 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: is tied to how good his coach is and the 53 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: Minnesota Like he's My wife used to live and work 54 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: in Minnesota, not a big sports fan, and we were 55 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: talking about Minnesota beating the Bears because we now live 56 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,839 Speaker 1: in Chicago, and she said, well, the Vikings are always good, right, 57 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah. 58 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: That's right. The Vikings are always good. 59 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: They always have good owners, they always have a good 60 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: front office, a good general manager, a solid coach. I 61 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: mean Sam Donald and Kirk Cousins both finished top ten 62 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: in offense. I mean Sam Donald's career was over and 63 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's MVP talk. I don't think 64 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: that would have happened. Didn't happen in Carolina, didn't happen 65 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: to the Jets. So this idea, this our society is 66 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: you've got to finish number one. Where do you fit best? 67 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's a high school choice, which 68 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: a lot of times you don't have options. But when 69 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: it's a college choice. The IVY League isn't for everybody. 70 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: Big state schools, you know Texas, you know they're not 71 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: for everybody. Some kids need more tutoring, smaller schools. Some 72 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: kids may need vocational schools or junior college, whatever it takes. 73 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: But I look at bow Nicks, you know bo Nicks 74 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: in September. I looked at this up this morning in September. 75 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: In his career, two touchdowns, six picks. Yet Bo Nicks 76 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: has a winning record in September. That's called organizational support 77 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: and coaching support. He's been bad in September, and he 78 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: has a winning record in the AFC in a division with. 79 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 3: Justin Herbert and Patrick Mahomes. 80 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: You're not doing that with bad coaching, So JJ McCarthy, 81 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh to Kevin O'Connell, I'm sorry. A part of 82 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: his success is that it's not fair. Baker Mayfield got 83 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: Cleveland and Hugh Jackson, Mahomes got Andy Reid and the 84 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: Hunk family. 85 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: Now, I think Mahomes is better than Baker, and it. 86 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: Took Baker a while to prove he could be a 87 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: franchise guy you could trust. And I do think talent 88 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: eventually finds its way. But in the NFL, injuries regulated 89 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: levels of violence, sometimes you don't. 90 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 3: Sometimes you get banged up. 91 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: Drew Brees wanted to be a Miami Dolphin and they 92 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't let him. And thank god Sean Payton was there 93 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: right like banged up in San Diego. Dolphins are not interested. 94 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: Team doctor says, no, what if Sean Payton doesn't exist, 95 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: one of the all time greats gets another situation where 96 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: it's just not perfect for him. So listen, man, we 97 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: all know this. The longer you live, parenting is not fair. 98 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: Some people get bad parents and bad bosses and bad coaches. 99 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: And you know, I just all I know is I 100 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: look at JJ McCarthy and Bowe Nicks. One is the 101 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: fifth quarterback taken. One is the sixth quarterback taken. I 102 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: mean through three quarters. JJ McCarthy was about as bad 103 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: as you can be in the NFL. At quarterback that 104 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: picked six was Will Levis stuff, But his coach stayed 105 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: with him, hung with him, supported him. Here's Kevin O'Connell 106 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 1: on JJ's budding bond with his teammates. 107 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 4: All the credit in the world should go to JJ 108 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 4: and his teammates. I mean that that relationship that's been built, 109 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 4: and you know many times around the league that those 110 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 4: you know, the requirements sometimes are you got to do 111 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 4: those things. First, we got to see it for our 112 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 4: team to still trust in that moment, and then kind 113 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 4: of that explosion of energy and emotion when he was, 114 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 4: you know, making some of those plays in the second 115 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 4: half that you know, that can be infectious for a while, 116 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 4: I hope, because now we do have confirmation. 117 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: We are obsessed with finishing number one. When it comes 118 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: to quarterbacks. Yeah, I mean, you know, there's there's the 119 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: occasional John Elway. But look at what Caleb Williams inherited 120 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: ownership down and look what bow Nicks got maybe the 121 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: richest owners in sports. I think I read yesterday they've 122 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: got a new stadium. It's Sean Payton. They led the 123 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: NFL in sacks. Bow Nix doesn't have to get in shootouts. 124 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: By year two, his defense was keeping him in games. 125 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy as Brian Flores. I was talking to a 126 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: Bears fan this morning that was all dejected. I said, listen, 127 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: the bottom line is, Brian Flores in your opener is 128 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: a rough is a rough game. Caleb Williams probably faced 129 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: his best defensive coordinator in the first game of the 130 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: rebuild with Ben Johnson. All Right, speaking of Ben Johnson, 131 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: I can't speak for everybody else, but I think this 132 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: is true. The best bosses I've ever had in my 133 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: life have held me accountable, but have also held my 134 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: coworkers accountable and themselves accountable. And Ben Johnson was talking 135 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: about his debut as an NFL head coach. 136 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't think I called a particularly great game. 137 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 5: I could have adjusted a little bit better to the 138 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 5: lack of pressure that flow was given us, and so 139 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 5: I can do a better job there. And then at 140 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 5: the end of the game, felt like we could kick 141 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 5: it out of the back. 142 00:07:58,880 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: We weren't able to get that. 143 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 5: In hindsight, I should have kicked you out of. 144 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: Balance training camp OTAs pre season week one. He's holding 145 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: himself and Caleb Williams accountable. Best bosses I've ever had 146 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: do the same thing. I always tell my boss bark 147 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: at me. 148 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 3: Just upset. Tell me, I'll figure it out. 149 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: Remember Matt Eberflus, they lost a hail mary game, gave 150 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: up all those free yards before the hail Mary. He 151 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: was questioned, nothing to see here, That is just no 152 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: big deal. 153 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 3: It's a big deal. It's a big deal. 154 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: A lot of things were a big deal, and it 155 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: was always Mike McDaniel ice cream for breakfast. Mike McDaniel, 156 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: Miami players stroll in late Tyreek Hill criticizes his quarterback 157 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: publicly in camp. Remember this year in camp when teams 158 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: practiced against those joint practices practice against the Dolphins, and 159 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: I forget the team, but one of the players in 160 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: the team said, yeah, they don't practice like us. Miami 161 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: doesn't practice nearly as hard as US standards. Excuses not 162 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: holding people accountable. Sean McVay admits now with the Rams 163 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: he had to lighten up. He was so harsh and intense. 164 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: Tom Comflin lightened up and then beat Brady and Belichick 165 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,719 Speaker 1: twice in Super Bowls. If you look at Conflin and 166 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: Sean McVay, their resumes are filled with accountability to themselves 167 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: and others. It's one of my knocks on Mike Tomlin 168 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: he's two player friendly. It just just I mean, And again, 169 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: I don't expect my. 170 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 3: Coaches to be perfect. 171 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: Right, we're all on a couch watching, you know, when 172 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: you're in a game and it's fluid and it's going fast. 173 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: I was joking with the staff this morning. It's like 174 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: going on a date with a beautiful, smart woman. You 175 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: want to be funny but not silly, confident but not arrogant, 176 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: smart but not preach like you know, like it's oh, 177 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: the state's happening and she's judging me, and I don't 178 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 1: have time, and they make their mind up in eight minutes. 179 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: Then it's much easier to sit and watch the date 180 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: and go, boy, he's not handling it well, he's not 181 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: asking her about her, He's doing too much talking. That's 182 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: the way we judge in the media coaching. Well, how 183 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: come he didn't do this? And how come he didn't 184 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: do that. You've got a million things going on in 185 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: your head. You're dealing with coordinators, you're on the headset, 186 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: you're dealing with players, you're dealing with a clock. 187 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: So I don't I don't. I don't think. 188 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: Coaches are perfect, but when they make mistakes, just own it. 189 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 3: You just got to own it. 190 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: And Ben Johnson was in Detroit with Matt Patricia and 191 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: in Detroit with with Dan Campbell. So he's seen good 192 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: culture and bad culture. And that's the one thing about 193 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: Dan Campbell. I don't think he's a schematic genius, but 194 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: he's an authentic guy who when he screws up, Dan 195 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: Campbell owns it. And that is a great quality to 196 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: have as a quarterback, or as a coach, or as 197 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: a boss, or as an employee. It was a Dolphins 198 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: Lions joint practice. Yeah, it was a Lions player who's said, yeah, Miami, it, 199 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: don'll practice like us. They're not nearly as intense. There, 200 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: you go, got to own it. Joel Klass's going to 201 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: show up forty five minutes from now. Mark Sanchez, by 202 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: the way, I think I read this morning that he's 203 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: got a new show at night on Fox on Tuesday 204 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: Night's Wednesday night. So I'm like that, we'll ask Mark 205 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: Sanchez about that. You know, there's still a little reverb 206 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: Jmack on the Ravens lost of the Bills, which if 207 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: Dereck Henry doesn't fumble, it probably doesn't exist. I am 208 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: going to pivot on this I'm going to defend the 209 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: Ravens again today on this because I think I think 210 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: the media is overlooking something about the Baltimore Ravens. And 211 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: I discussed it kind of yesterday where I said, you know, 212 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: I mean, Lamar Jackson's one of those quarterbacks you may 213 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: not figure him out until like the seventh, eighth, or 214 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: ninth series so later in games because he's such a 215 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: unique style. But I thought of something else this morning, 216 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: and I'll discuss that coming up. 217 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 218 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: and noone eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 219 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 220 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 6: Hey what's up everybody? It's me three time pro bowler 221 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 6: LeVar Arrington, and I couldn't be more excited to announce 222 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 6: a podcast called Up on Game? 223 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 3: What is Up on Game? 224 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 6: You ass along with my fellow pro bowler TJ. Hutschman, 225 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 6: Zada and Super Bowl champion Yup. That's right, Plexico Birds. 226 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 6: You can only name a show with that type of 227 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 6: talent on it. Up on Game We're going to be 228 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 6: sharing our real life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen 229 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 6: to Up on Game with me LeVar Arrington TJ. Hutschman 230 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 6: Zada and Plexico Burrs on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts 231 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 6: or wherever you get your podcast from. 232 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: So the Ravens got clobbered over the last couple of 233 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: days because they blew that late lead to Josh Allen 234 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: on the road. Yeah, Josh Allen occasionally is amazing. 235 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: I don't know if you've heard of him, but it 236 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 3: was interesting. I went back and I looked. 237 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: I said, you know, someven doesn't smell right, And I 238 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: went back, and the Ravens are one of seven teams 239 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: to lead at least twenty games by nine to sixteen 240 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: points in the fourth quarter over the past four seasons. 241 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: And here's what's funny about the teams that lead big. 242 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: They're all good Ravens, Bills, Niners, Lions, Eagles, Chiefs, and 243 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: the Bengals are good with Joe Burrow. And not a 244 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: lot of crappy teams lead big. The other thing I 245 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: noticed is not only have the Ravens led more in 246 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: big games, they've led by more a lot more often. Yes, 247 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: they've had ten more huge leads in the fourth quarter 248 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: than Buffalo, ten more in just four seasons, and seven 249 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: more than the Chiefs in just four seasons and ten 250 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: more than the Bengals. I'm not saying they don't play 251 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: with their food a little and they don't need to 252 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: get better. But when you look closely at it, wouldn't 253 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: the Jets, Giants and Panthers Jags love to have the 254 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: luxury of actually leading by nine to sixteen points in 255 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. I think the Giants would love the 256 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: opportunity for that to happen. All the teams that are 257 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: listed blowing leads, they're all the good teams. And then 258 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: I went and looked at the teams they've blown leads against. 259 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: And here's what's interesting. It's often horrible teams. Dolphins, Giants, Jags, Browns, Raiders. 260 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: They get complacent, they lead big, they close up shop offensively, 261 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: and they get burned on the back end. Again, I'm 262 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: not saying they don't have to get better then, and 263 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: I don't think Dereck Henry is going to fumble away 264 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: a lot of wins going forward. 265 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: Okay, so some of it's just circumstantial. It's a bad break. 266 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: Then I went and looked at the head coaches in 267 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: the history of the league with the most blown fourth 268 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: quarter leads, double digit leads, Yeah, Tom Landry, Don Shula, 269 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, Mike Shanahan, and John Harbaugh. You see blown leads. 270 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: You know what I see Lombardi trophies. Great companies with 271 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: high expectations sometimes underachieved slightly and the stock goes down 272 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: because there's these huge expectations of their quarterly earnings. Right Like, 273 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: it's oh, Navidia, it was off half of one percent. Well, 274 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: it's because Navidia has been on a seven year run. 275 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: So the Ravens have two touchdown leads significantly more than 276 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: every other team, including the Chiefs and the Bills, over 277 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: the last just four seasons, and that's Lamar in his prime. 278 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: They get off to huge leads. It's often against bad teams. 279 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you've heard the back door cover. That's a 280 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: term used by gamblers, where you know you have the 281 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: better team, you bet the better team, but you're concerned 282 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: that the other team can actually throw the ball. They 283 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: may backdoor cover. You know, you take seven and a 284 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: half points and they've been getting beat by thirteen fourteen 285 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: all day, and then they backdoor cover. Sometimes back door 286 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: covers become backdoor losses. But the truth is they just 287 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: lead more than everybody else. As did Belichick and Shanahan 288 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: and Shula and John Harbaugh and Tom Landry. So I listen, 289 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: they have an issue. They can't beat Kansas City in 290 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: the playoffs, and that's a clear issue. But I got 291 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: one of the worst problems. It's like a it's almost 292 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: a good problem to have. I mean, no problems, good 293 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: to have. But yeah, we get into these huge leads. 294 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: By the way, we win most of them. Yeah, we 295 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: win most of the games. We lead big late. That's 296 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: also not talked about. Yeah we win seventy five eighty 297 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: five percent of those games. Yeah, but we blow it 298 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: off into bad teams. Okay, half this league would just 299 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: like the opportunity to lead between nine and sixteen points 300 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: over the last forty years. 301 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 3: And and again they play with their food a little. 302 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: They shut down the offense, probably a drive too soon. 303 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 1: John Harbaugh talks about it. 304 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 7: Maybe part of it is effect that we've been ahead 305 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 7: a lot. You know, we've won a lot of games, 306 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 7: so we've had a lot of and we've had a 307 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 7: lot of two score leads, so we've we've kept a 308 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 7: lot of those, but we've I think we've lost six 309 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 7: of them, if I'm not mistaken. That's too many. We 310 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 7: need to be really thoughtful of, you know, how we 311 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 7: decide that we're going to approach those situations going forward. 312 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 7: You know, let's give us some thought. 313 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: And for the record, in college football, and I don't 314 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: think I'm wrong saying this, you can usually tell by 315 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: the third series of a game who's going to win 316 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: the game. Very rarely does a team trail by two 317 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: touchdowns all game and comes back and wins. It just 318 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: doesn't happen in college football. Very often you can trail. 319 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: But generally, if a team goes into a fourth quarter 320 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: leading by ten, they've got the better players and the 321 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: better staff, and the better geography and the better recruiting base. 322 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: But in the NFL, look at what we've seen with 323 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy unplayable for three quarters and then the best 324 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: quarterback in the world for about fifteen minutes. That doesn't 325 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: happen a lot in college football, where some some quarterback 326 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: can't complete passes, pick sixes, and then in the fourth quarter, yeah, 327 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: he's like nine to ten in perfect Buffalo, scoring all 328 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: those points to win forty one to forty after being outplayed. 329 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: There are no Josh Allens quarterbacking in college football. It's 330 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: just part of being pro football. It's like basketball. It's 331 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: the reality of basketball with a three point shot. You know, 332 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: good teams blow big leads because good teams lead big 333 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: late more than bad teams. I would imagine I haven't 334 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: looked it up, but the Washington Wizards haven't blown a 335 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: lot of fifteen point fourth quarter leads in the last decade. 336 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to go with it probably hasn't happened much. 337 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 3: Back with the news. 338 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: Turn this is the Herdline news. 339 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,719 Speaker 8: All right, God, let's bust right into it. The Chargers 340 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 8: had a huge win over the Chiefs in Brazil, and 341 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 8: Jim Harbaugh just gushed about his quarterback Justin Herbert. Listen, 342 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 8: he loves gushing about Herbert. It's a great SoundBite. 343 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 9: Here we go, huge hit on Justin, the kind of 344 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 9: hit that would have killed a lesser man. That's how 345 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 9: big that hit was. Most quarterbacks, most human beings. I mean, 346 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 9: you take that kind of that kind of big hit 347 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 9: to come back the next play and just stand in 348 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 9: there and you know, look down the barrel of the 349 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 9: gun and hit another one. You know, it's it's pretty 350 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 9: impressive offensively Justin Patrick. 351 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: Herbert, Yeah, he loves him so Justin Herbert and for 352 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: the rest I'll do come on, yeah, I mean, I 353 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: think ninety nine fans get that he finally has the 354 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: right coach. 355 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 8: I mean Herbert twenty five of thirty four three hundred 356 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 8: and eighteen yards three touchdowns against Spags and the Chiefs, 357 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 8: Joe Alt was remember the left tackle gone, Joe Alt 358 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 8: sliding over was dominant. I mean, Colin, there's a lot 359 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 8: of reasons to be excited. You could tell harrball well 360 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 8: pepin his step heading into this Raiders game. 361 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: Don't you worry about though, coming back from Brazil, going 362 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: and having to give up three and a half to 363 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,719 Speaker 1: a Raiders team that is feeling themselves now with a 364 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: very good coaching staff. That's a those whenever I see 365 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: three and a half in a division rivalry game. So 366 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: you're a three and a half point favorite on the 367 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: road with a capable division ridable and Gino was more 368 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: than capable of making big throws a lot of its 369 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: quarterbacks Like that is a game that I it just 370 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: tells me the Raiders are going to keep that thing close. 371 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: That's going to be one of the better games of 372 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: the weekend that nobody's talking about. Raiders Chargers close. 373 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 8: See again, we don't want to overreact, Colin, but I 374 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 8: watch the Chargers face the Chiefs, you would have the 375 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 8: chief top six in the league. I just saw the 376 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 8: Raiders play the Patriots. I mean, those are two bad teams, 377 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 8: so I can't take them a lot from Geno carving 378 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 8: up a new secondary rebuilt, Like if Gino Smith did that, 379 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 8: what's Herbert going to do? Because he has better receivers. 380 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 8: I think he has better weapons on the outside, doesn't he. 381 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 3: I don't know. Raiders is one of my favorite players 382 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 3: of the week. Favorite. 383 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 1: Well, I'm not saying they're going to win. It's going 384 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: to be a Chargers field goal win. But I maybe 385 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: I was too impressed with the Raiders going three thousand 386 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: miles with a brand new everything, staffs, coordinators, quarterback, GM. 387 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 3: Look, everything was new. It's kind of impressive to me. 388 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 8: Or perhaps here's just too chub me with the Raiders staff. 389 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 3: I don't know. 390 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 8: I have no idea. Let's go on to the next story, Colin. 391 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 8: That's the Pittsburgh Steelers. They got a fortunate win. We'll 392 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 8: call it lucky. A sixty yard field goal with a 393 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 8: minute left. That's luck. To go want to know, beating 394 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 8: my Jets. There's another revenge game this week for the 395 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 8: Pittsburgh Steelers, and that is DK Metcalf facing off against 396 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 8: his former team, the Seahawks. Ahead of the matchup, Mike 397 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 8: Tomlin says, although he hasn't spoken to Dk about the game, 398 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 8: common sense Colin would tell you the game will mean 399 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 8: a lot to him. DK had a good game against 400 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 8: the Jets. Sauce Gardner did shut him down. The only 401 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 8: time he got loose was when Sauce was not guarding him. 402 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 8: I like the Seahawks in this spot. I know, getting 403 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 8: the field goal. I just I was not impressed at 404 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 8: all with the Steelers defense. 405 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: Well, I think the analytics tell you Seattle got a 406 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: lot of pressures on Brock Purty, se Sam Darnold. Actually 407 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: PFF played very well. Seattle's trying to establish who their 408 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: number one receiver is. But again, I when I watched 409 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: the Steelers and the Jets, the overwhelming story to me 410 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: was how good Justin fields was. 411 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 3: That? 412 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: That was I mean, Aaron's always had games like this. 413 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: I was blown away by their offense, the left side 414 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: of their O line, Breeze Hall. I mean, my whole 415 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: takeaway was I mean I thought it was gonna be 416 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: a low scoring game, so it was a wildly entertaining 417 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: early window game. But justin fields, to me was the story. 418 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: It wasn't that Aaron, you know, with a brand new 419 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: staff in New York, was able to hit some I mean, listen, 420 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf has a problem, and they didn't run the 421 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: ball in Pittsburgh, they didn't necess Aaron got sat before time. 422 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: So I thought it was one of those wins. Not 423 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: that it was a bad win, but it wasn't as 424 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: impressive as I thought. The Jets effort was on the 425 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: other side with a whole new staff. 426 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 3: Totally agree. 427 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 8: And when you look at Rogers, everybody now Rogers is back, 428 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 8: see he can play in week one. I'm just going 429 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 8: to caution you a lot of that was against the 430 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 8: Jets and their new defensive scheme and everything. This Seahawks 431 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 8: defense is awesome. I think Rockberty's better than Rodgers at 432 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 8: the stage, would you agree, yes, at this stage? Yeah, 433 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 8: And he struggled against this Seattle secondary. Yes, elite man. Listen. 434 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 8: I was on the Niners. I felt like we got 435 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 8: lucky with that win. One of my Niners friends texted me, 436 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 8: we stole that game, like sche masks and everything. I 437 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 8: think Seattle's aside against Pittsburgh final story, Colin, let's go 438 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 8: to the Buffalo Bills that huge comeback. Everybody's still buzzing 439 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 8: for the forty one forty victory over the Ravens. However, 440 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 8: the defense was quite abhorrent, and DC Bobby Babitch knows 441 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 8: how they got a correctings. 442 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 10: No one in the defensive room thinks anything of that 443 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 10: nature was acceptable, right You look at I think third 444 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 10: and six plus we were six for eight, which is 445 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 10: a good thing. 446 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 3: They were one of three in the red zone. 447 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 10: That's a good thing. But all the stuff in between 448 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 10: that you're talking about is unacceptable, and our. 449 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 3: Players know that. 450 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really interesting game. I think a lot 451 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: of Buffalo's problem is just personnel. I don't think it's 452 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: scheme necessarily. First of all, Lamar's a handful, but I 453 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: think a lot of it is they've had to the 454 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: last two years. They've had to move off defensive players 455 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: who were like guys that were like important, lot of snaps, 456 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: you know, like veteran guys. So I think it's the 457 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: reality the Ravens defense, Kansas City's O line and run game, 458 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: you pay the quarterback big money, you're you're gonna be 459 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: a flawed team. And I think they're just flawed in 460 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: the back end. And I don't think it's coaching. 461 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 8: Obviously. You see the line on the screen, Bills favored 462 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 8: by seven at the Jets. Let me ask you, having 463 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 8: faced Lamar, a running quarterback last week, is that a 464 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 8: big edge for Buffalo now facing no, not a poor 465 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 8: man's Lamar, but Justin Field wants to run. 466 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: The worst thing for the Jets is that? I mean, 467 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: I mean Buffalo won the game. Like, by the way, 468 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 1: the Ravens are a twelve point favorite. I'm thinking of 469 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: taking the Ravens because they're so ticked off they tend 470 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: to bounce back. I mean, I think the best thing 471 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: Sean Payton Noah says this winning imperfectly. 472 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 3: You can coach harder. So the Bills come out of 473 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 3: that game and. 474 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: They were getting they were getting housed for most of 475 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: it and won. So the best thing in the NFL 476 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: you win. You want the W in the win column, 477 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: but you don't play particularly well. So those teams like 478 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: that Buffalo, to me, Buffalo's probably the side if it 479 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: goes to seven and a half I'd stay away, but 480 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: at seven points, Buffalo played mostly a very poor football game. 481 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: Yet one those teams can do the following week be 482 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: really focused in practice. 483 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 8: I'll just say the divisional underdogs were barking last week 484 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 8: and early in the season with most teams healthy, you 485 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 8: lean toward the dogs. You like the Raiders divisional dog. 486 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 8: I'm surprised you're not going Jets here. I'd probably have 487 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 8: to pass on this one. Hitting the Jets last week, 488 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 8: you don't want to go back to the well with 489 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 8: your team just in case they lay an egg. Yeah. 490 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 3: Jmack with the. 491 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 2: News, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by 492 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 2: the herd Line News. 493 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 3: We've got a lot of stuff going on. 494 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: Joel Klatt is going to be joining us at the 495 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: top of the hour. 496 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 3: I saw and I don't want to. 497 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: Belabor this point because I've talked about it recently, but 498 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: people don't like change. People actually feared the invention or 499 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: discovery of electricity at the time. People were a little 500 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: terrified by electricity. I lived through Y two K and 501 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: now AI and five G. New stuff freaks people out 502 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: and a lot of people just do not handle it. 503 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: So here's a number that Fox Michael Moulvehill are analytic 504 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: Maven at Fox. Total viewing of college football is up 505 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: twenty five percent across all networks through Week two, Even 506 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: this early in the season, fair to say it's pretty 507 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: likely third straight year of record breaking total viewing of 508 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: college football. That's for the nil, the transfer portal, and 509 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: the expanded playoff. And I would say seventy five percent 510 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: of my audience thought it would ruin the sport. Not 511 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: heard it ruin the sport. It is unbelievable so far, 512 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: great games and more big games. Now a lot of 513 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: people are saying, well, Colin, there's a new metric where 514 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: they're counting people who are watching that are away from home, 515 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: like in bars. Yeah, but that's the right metric. For 516 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: the previous fifty years of my life. The Nielsen couldn't 517 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: get it right. They didn't count eyes, They just counted 518 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: TV sets. Have you ever gone to a bar to 519 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: watch a game? 520 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 8: Oh? 521 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, we all have about six times a year. The 522 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: TV metrics were always wrong. It was always like a 523 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: running joke that we always knew in sports we had 524 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: much greater audiences, much greater bandwidth, much larger volume of 525 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: people watching that you got credit for I'm mostly if 526 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to go watch a game. Because of my profession, 527 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: I don't watch with other people. But every time I 528 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: drive by or walk by on a Saturday or Sunday 529 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: a place, it could be a World Series. I mean 530 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: I during the summer of the US Open walking by 531 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: a restaurant's got three TVs on there, all in the 532 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: US Open, everybody at the bars watching. So the new 533 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: metrics are the truth. The old metrics were deceptive. And 534 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: next year, by the way, I always my truth serum 535 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: was always this, content always wins. Content always wins any platform, 536 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: and the platform of college football had a scarcity of 537 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: big out of conference games. For the record, the SEC 538 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: next year is getting rid of like a Panera Bread 539 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: Tech and they're gonna add a ninth conference game. So 540 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: and this weekend next week we get Auburn Oklahoma. We 541 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't have had that a couple of years ago. Two 542 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: weeks we get Oregon, Penn State, Ohio State in Seattle 543 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: at Washington, wouldn't have had that a couple of years 544 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: ago when the PAC twelve disbanded. Is going to ruin 545 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: college football out West? 546 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 3: I don't know. 547 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: I watched the games at Austin. They're sold out. People 548 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: seem to be into it. A Husky Stadium seems very 549 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: alive to me. I mean you told me it was 550 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: all gonna shrivel up. No, it's not only up, it's 551 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: up significantly. And the new data and metrics for college 552 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: football and sports in general are the right metrics. It's 553 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: how it should have always been measured, because we all 554 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: watch half the games or more to bar a lounge, 555 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: so it just it just goes to show people. And 556 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: I get it. Forty percent of Americans end up living 557 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: in the area code in which they were born in. 558 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 3: Like, I get it. I move more than most. I 559 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 3: get it. 560 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: But college football isn't better now, it's significantly better, like 561 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: not even close. That doesn't mean the transfer portal is 562 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: not a little overly aggressive. And I think people, by 563 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: the way, like every other change in life, people went 564 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: hogwild in the transfer portal. And then you watch Belichick 565 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: with seventy new players and Lincoln Riley and Brian Kelly 566 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: and everybody's come to terms with the transfer portal left 567 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: for about three to four years. You probably shouldn't bring 568 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: in more than like eight to ten players, Like every 569 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: other change, you experiment. There's not real boundaries and borders. 570 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: It's like bitcoin. I always had a theory about bitcoin. 571 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: Eventually cryptocurrency was going to work with one or two 572 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: companies in Bitcoin now is one of those companies. There's seventy, 573 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: you know, seven hundred cryptocurrency companies. It eventually made sense 574 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: that it would work, but there's been a lot of 575 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: scams in it the first ten years. It'll find its 576 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: footing centralized bank eventually accepted everywhere. Eventually. The first step 577 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: is you'd watch like CNBC and it would be on 578 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: the little right, lower right corner. You're like, Okay, it's something, 579 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: but I'm getting now Penn State and Oregon and Ohio 580 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: State and Washington and you know, Ohio State's never been 581 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: afraid to play the big dogs, but you're getting the 582 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: college football playoff now. Nobody's afraid to play big games 583 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: in September. 584 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 3: It's great. Coming up next. 585 00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: It was inevitable that the Kansas City Chiefs dynasty, at 586 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: least in its current form, would end, and it is next. 587 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays 588 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 2: in noon Eastern not a em Pacific. 589 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 8: Start your Saturday strong with Big noon it's a new era. 590 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 8: Quarterback Dante More leads Oregon's explosive attack into their first 591 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 8: Big ten matchup, taking on Northwestern. That all starts at 592 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 8: ten Eastern live from Evanston with the Big Noon kickoff crew. 593 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 8: Then it's Oregon Northwestern only on Fox. 594 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: By the way, that stadium is right on the water 595 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: Lake Michigan, so it's going to be an unbelievable view. 596 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: We may have some few people on boats in that game. 597 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: By the way, we were just laughing as a staff. 598 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: The people that push back and go, well, yeah, everybody's 599 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: ratings are up because of the new metric. Basically, what 600 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: you want is an outdated metric that was inaccurate. And 601 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: I know in this day and age, accurate data gets 602 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: a pushback a little bit, But the reality is the 603 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: old system was ridiculous because very few people watch a 604 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: game by themselves. They're got a buddy or friends, and 605 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, they're sitting around and watching it with a group, 606 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: or they're at a game or a tailgate. The new 607 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: college football ratings are accurate data, which is most of 608 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: us watch it with somebody, not sitting by ourselves in 609 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: a dark room. That's what I do because I got 610 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: a notebook and. 611 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 3: I have to do it for that. 612 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: But most people don't watch games like that, and bars 613 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: should count. 614 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 3: Let me. 615 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: Let me shift to the Chiefs, so they play the 616 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,959 Speaker 1: Eagles this week. I like Philadelphia because I think Philadelphia's 617 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: got a significantly better roster. But teams that start the 618 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: season oh and two, and the Chiefs are now currently 619 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: o and one, and they're going to be oh and 620 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: two because they're going to lose, probably to Philadelphia. They 621 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: have an eighty eight percent chance of missing the playoffs. 622 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: Over the last thirty five years. Since nineteen ninety thirty five, 623 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: the two hundred and eighty eight teams to start two, 624 00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: they made the playoffs twelve percent of the time. And 625 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: that's it. And I think there's a lot of factors here. 626 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,959 Speaker 1: I thought you could see this coming. We talked about this. 627 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 1: I have him as a wild card. It's the head 628 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: coach quarterback league. Mahomes, Andy Reid, Del'll be fine, but 629 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: at some point in this league, roster depth and roster 630 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: composition and just overall good players matter, and their running 631 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: back room is weak. Mahomes led them in rushing against 632 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: the Chargers, hit fifty seven yards and Mahomes is now 633 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: behind a rebuilt offensive line and an offensive line in 634 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,919 Speaker 1: transition with a way below average run game. That means 635 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: he's going to throw the ball forty to forty five 636 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: times a game. So, and also Kansas City no longer 637 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: benefits from the dysfunction of their division. Denver played poorly 638 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: and one the Raiders did not play great, traveled three 639 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 1: thousand miles across the country and one. So Kansas City 640 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: has not had a thousand yard run usher since twenty seventeen. 641 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: And I think you can get away with that in 642 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: a dysfunctional division. Or Travis Kelsey's in his prime, but 643 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 1: now Xavier Worthy may not play, Rashi Rice is out 644 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: for another what four to five weeks. And the other 645 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: thing that I think has to be mentioned is that 646 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: the fatigue factor. So I looked it up this morning. 647 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: In the Mahomes era, Kansas City in a sport with 648 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 1: regulated violence, It's had seven long playoff runs in a row. 649 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: Kansas City has played fifteen hundred more snaps than any 650 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: other NFL team in the Mahomes era, and now the 651 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: league is seventeen games. So when you watched the Chargers 652 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: and the Chiefs in Brazil, I could not be the 653 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,720 Speaker 1: only person that fought in the first quarter. 654 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 3: Kansas City had no juice, like. 655 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: None, and the Chargers had a ton of urgency and 656 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: a ton of energy. And so PFF grades gives you 657 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: an overall team grade. They judge every offensive and defensive 658 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: and special team snap. The lowest in the league Week 659 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: one was Miami, Second lowest was the Giants. Third lowest 660 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: was the Chiefs. And here comes Philadelphia with Jalen Carter returning. 661 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: And again the Chiefs, already perilous and thin receiving corps, 662 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: could be without Xavier Worthy and just go back a year. 663 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: So I had said, one of the easier bets was 664 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: Kansas City's was gonna you know, not that it was 665 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: a bet offered, but they won fifteen games. Even Vegas 666 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: had their over under and eleven and a half, so 667 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: they were going to pull back. They weren't going to 668 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: go undefeated in one score games. But go back to 669 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: last season. In Week one, the Ravens were a tow 670 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: from a game time touchdown. 671 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 3: They got a break. 672 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: Week two, the Bengals beat them on a controversial PI call. 673 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: In Week ten beat the Broncos on a block field goal. 674 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,959 Speaker 1: Two weeks later, a game winning field goal is time 675 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 1: expired against Carolina. Week thirteen, they beat the Raiders on 676 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: a box snap, and Week fourteen was a walk off 677 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: field goal against the Chargers that boinked in. 678 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 3: Or doind whatever you want to say. 679 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: So fifteen and two was really close to be in 680 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: ten and seven, and that's hey, they want them, they 681 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: get I do think there is some magic for really 682 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: good coaches and quarterbacks in close games, but you know, 683 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,839 Speaker 1: pretty easy. Even Vegas is like, well, yeah, we're going 684 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: to take four wins away in the over under. So 685 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: I think you're seeing it when I said this. I 686 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: think I said this on Monday. You pay Josh Allen, 687 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: you pay Lamar, you pay Herbert, you pay Burrow, you 688 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: pay Mahomes. There's going to be a part of your 689 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: team that's not good. Back end of the Bills not great. 690 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: Chiefs running back room and O line work in progress, 691 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: Chargers perimeter weapons sketchy. They need Quentin Johnson to hit. 692 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: They need Quentin Johnson in Week one for the rest 693 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: of the season. So I don't think it's a wild take. Jmack. 694 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: I like Philadelphia in this game. Jalen's back. They're a 695 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: much better roster. I think there are things you can 696 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: see in Week one that they're clear, and I think 697 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: Kansas City offensively if Worthy doesn't play, I mean Jmack, 698 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: they're going to struggle to move the ball. 699 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 8: You know, Colin. One thing we talk about a lot 700 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 8: with that Patriots dynasty, it's tough to stay on top 701 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 8: for two decades. Okay, Chiefs haven't even been on top 702 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 8: for a decade. Is you were constantly reinventing yourself. Belichick 703 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 8: was changing how the team looked. Remember they went heavy 704 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 8: with the slot receivers Edelman Ammondola. They won with that. 705 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 8: Then they had the Moss era. They moved to heavy 706 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 8: running backs Corey Dillon. Like they constantly they were winning 707 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 8: with defense. I look at this Chiefs team, Colin, what 708 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 8: have they changed from last year? Are they better anywhere 709 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 8: than they were last year? 710 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 3: When no? 711 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 8: I think us just articulated. It was a lot of 712 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 8: smoke and mirrors to get to fifteen and two and 713 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 8: eleven to zero one score games. And I don't see 714 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 8: what's their CounterPunch if the Eagles knocked them down early? 715 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 8: What's your CounterPunch? By the way, there's some numbers on 716 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 8: Patrick Mahomes right now, he's been one of the worst 717 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 8: deep ball throwers in the league over the last year. 718 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 3: And including Week one. 719 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: Well, and some of that is Rashi Rice not available 720 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: and Worthy dinged up and now once again maybe not available. 721 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: So some of that's just personnel, and they have a 722 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: great GM. 723 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 3: But this league. 724 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: Engineers great to be very good. Okay, this is not this, 725 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: by the way, this is what Adam Silver is doing. 726 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: Adam Silver has said he wants the NBA to be 727 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 1: more like the NFL, like you don't know who's gonna win, 728 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: and so you can't get that third star because of 729 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: the second apron with a new CBA. So what commissioners 730 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: have the power to do if they win the collective 731 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,760 Speaker 1: bargaining is you engineer the great. 732 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 3: Teams have to. 733 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,879 Speaker 1: Move off players quickly, like the Celtics had it kind 734 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: of grandfathered in. Then Jason Tatum got hurt and suddenly 735 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,399 Speaker 1: you look at the Celtics and you're like, what would 736 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,319 Speaker 1: they be in the West? The fourth best team two 737 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 1: years ago, we thought they were going to win for 738 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: the next five champion. Denver's a prime example, the Nuggets. 739 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: They had to move off these really important like fifth starters, 740 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: rotational guys, and now it's very Yokic centric. So Adam 741 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: Silver wants what the NFL has, which is the minute 742 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: you pay that star quarterback. I mean again, Philly's the 743 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: outlier with a hyper aggressive GM, but it's the minute 744 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: you pay the quarterback. 745 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 3: You're going to have holes. 746 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: And great coaches can't fix holes, but they're great at 747 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,280 Speaker 1: finding them and taking advantajit of yours. And Jim Harball 748 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: looked at that team and he did not respect their 749 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:41,919 Speaker 1: receiving cor much. 750 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 8: And oh, by the way, Belichick and I know we 751 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 8: bash him with those Patriots. Edelman, late round pick, Chris Hogan, 752 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,320 Speaker 8: remember a converted lacrosse player had a moment, Amandola. I 753 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 8: don't know where they found this guy, but he was 754 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 8: not like a Worthier Rice. He didn't have that pedigree. 755 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 8: James White was a super Bowl hero. I'm pretty sure 756 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 8: he was a late. 757 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: Round pick, non entity Wisconsin. 758 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, It's like the are the Chiefs finding 759 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 8: these guys? Pacheco. He had a moment right as a 760 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 8: seventh round pick. Okay, what's next? And it's like they 761 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 8: don't really have a run game. Colin Travis Kelce Okay, 762 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,240 Speaker 8: he's pretty much done. Where's the backup? 763 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 3: Like they're not? 764 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 8: I know you said the GM's doing a great job. 765 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 8: I don't see a great roster. If you stacked Chiefs, Raiders, Chargers, Broncos. 766 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 8: Who's got the weakest roster in that division? And it's 767 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 8: not a hot Denver? 768 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 1: Denver now as the best. I think Denver's got the 769 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: best roster in the division. 770 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 8: I think the Chargers have a better roster than the 771 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 8: Chiefs do, and I would we could go toe to 772 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 8: toe if every position. 773 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 1: If Rashawn Slater was healthy and all it was the 774 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: right tackle, I would agree with that. I do think 775 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: that injury that's a Pro Bowl level player at a 776 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 1: key position. And it's not a knock on anybody. It's 777 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 1: just they've had some immature wide receivers. They've got guys 778 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: that got hurt. They moved off Tyreek Hill. 779 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 8: So you mentioned Tyreek Hill, Colin, Is there a world 780 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 8: where they say, do we try to bring back Tyreek Hill? 781 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,720 Speaker 8: Do you consider it if things are going sideways in Miami, 782 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:03,800 Speaker 8: which it appears they are. 783 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 1: If you could do it on the cheap for the 784 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: remainder of just this season. I mean, they brought back 785 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: Jujus ms Schuster, like, can we bring you back for 786 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 1: fourteen games or thirteen games? Because Tyreek would probably be 787 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: on his best behavior. I think there's a world where 788 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 1: you have to consider it. If you're on AJ Brown, 789 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 1: there's going to be a team that I'm telling you 790 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: Philadelphia they are deal makers. Power two Joel Klatt coming up.