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Speaker 2: Former President Donald Trump was hit in the ear during
Speaker 2: a Pennsylvania rally when a shooter opened fire. One attendee
Speaker 2: was killed, two are critically injured. The Associated Press reporting
Speaker 2: that this is being investigated as an assassination attempt. And
Speaker 2: we actually had a reporter on the ground, Heydriana Lowen Crunch.
Speaker 2: She joins us. Now, Heydriana, are you with me? Now?
Speaker 3: Yes, I am. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: And you were actually there when all of this happened.
Speaker 2: Can you sort of set the scene for us? Sure?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's important to note that he former President
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, started at around six o'clock. It was originally
Speaker 3: supposed started at five. People come hours in advance. They're
Speaker 3: waiting outside. It's extremely hot. You know, there's water being
Speaker 3: passed around left and right, so there's a lot of anticipation,
Speaker 3: and there's there, you know, it's a very big crowd
Speaker 3: and everyone's close together. And so a couple minutes in,
Speaker 3: fifteen or so minutes in, at around six fifteen, he's
Speaker 3: in the middle of speaking and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: you hear what sounds like a gunshot. You're not entirely sure,
Speaker 3: it's you know, people have heard fire works before, but
Speaker 3: not everyone has heard gunshots before. There was screaming, everyone
Speaker 3: immediately ducked down. There was just so much chaos that
Speaker 3: people couldn't even kind of figure out what was going on. Obviously,
Speaker 3: as we know, the Homer president was immediately rushed off
Speaker 3: the stage after grabbing his ear. You know, there was blood,
Speaker 3: and I was actually around a lot of the attendees
Speaker 3: who were running, a lot of them with kids, you know,
Speaker 3: grabbing the kids. Some others kind of milled around. They
Speaker 3: weren't sure would he come back. Everyone was just kind
Speaker 3: of in a state of confusion and chaos. So it
Speaker 3: really it really was a sight, Adrianna.
Speaker 2: I understand that there were metal detectors there fifteen thousand
Speaker 2: people attending this rally, So it makes sense that unless
Speaker 2: you had a bird's eye view or a pulled back
Speaker 2: view like the rest of us who were watching on
Speaker 2: television had, it would be if you were sort of
Speaker 2: you couldn't see the forest for the trees as it were,
Speaker 2: you would get caught up in that chaos. Did you
Speaker 2: also see a level of security there when you were there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So this is definitely not my first Trump rally.
Speaker 3: I've been too many. I've been to some inside that
Speaker 3: are a bit smaller, some that are outside, this of
Speaker 3: course being a bigger one, huge open space, not a
Speaker 3: lot of buildings, so you know, it was really interesting
Speaker 3: kind of just seeing everyone react. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 3: again as you mentioned, if I had a bird's eye view,
Speaker 3: seeing what it must have looked like everyone ducking at once.
Speaker 3: You know, it was just very clear to see everyone
Speaker 3: kind of drop and then of course see everyone, well
Speaker 3: not everyone, but you know, some people start running, others
Speaker 3: kind of again more confused, sticking behind, but they're definitely
Speaker 3: were officers around. As you had mentioned, there are always
Speaker 3: metal detectors. People immediately were trying to you know, rush people.
Speaker 3: The officers were trying to rush the attendees out as
Speaker 3: soon as they could. But it really was a state
Speaker 3: of state of chaos.
Speaker 2: And now they're this this particular rally, and Donald Trump's
Speaker 2: speech was sort of gearing up for the Republican National Convention,
Speaker 2: which is supposed to start on Monday in Milwaukee. Have
Speaker 2: you heard yet anything, and I know it's very early
Speaker 2: about more security, about different different schedule, about about more
Speaker 2: protection for the presidential candidate himself about anything going on.
Speaker 3: With that, right, I mean, as you mentioned, this was
Speaker 3: this was a big weekend for him. He had had
Speaker 3: another rally in Florida. He has this win today heading
Speaker 3: off to Milwaukee. This is a big event of the year,
Speaker 3: of the cycle for the Republican Party. Know, he already
Speaker 3: got enough delegates to be the nominee, but this really
Speaker 3: makes it official. And so this is big. And you know,
Speaker 3: to your point, I think there will definitely be conversations
Speaker 3: about what that will look like. They were already, you know,
Speaker 3: very intense, you know, and had he detailed security planning
Speaker 3: going on. You know, as someone you know myself, I
Speaker 3: will be attending that I've been kind of freefed about
Speaker 3: what that will look like.
Speaker 4: So that's That's that.
Speaker 3: Conversation has already started, and I'm sure this will only
Speaker 3: exascerate that.
Speaker 2: All right, Thank you so much, Adrianna, and I want
Speaker 2: you to stay with us. By the way, Hedriana, don't
Speaker 2: go anywhere. We're going to turn now to Bloomberg's Joe Matthew,
Speaker 2: who also Joe, are you already in Milwaukee.
Speaker 5: We just touched down a short time ago, Amy, and
Speaker 5: you know that flight of course, was from Washington, d C.
Speaker 5: Where we are based, and so it was an airplane
Speaker 5: full of media and political operatives, all of whom found
Speaker 5: out about this upon landing. And that's because the Wi
Speaker 5: Fi was not working on the airplane. There were members
Speaker 5: of the Trump campaign on that airplane, and it was
Speaker 5: quite remarkable to look up and down the aisles and
Speaker 5: see everyone glued to their phones realizing what had happened.
Speaker 5: And then, of course, you know, we're surrounded by a
Speaker 5: lot of folks who are coming here to cover the convention,
Speaker 5: a lot of producers, a lot of reporters who were
Speaker 5: all on the phone trying to get their arms around this,
Speaker 5: and you know, you just pointed us in the right direction. Amy.
Speaker 5: This is going to be a real interesting twenty four
Speaker 5: hours to see how plans are potentially adjusted around this convention.
Speaker 5: Donald Trump was supposed to announce a running mate here
Speaker 5: in the next twenty four to forty eight hours. There
Speaker 5: was likely event planning around that that we didn't know
Speaker 5: about yet, and all of this stuff is probably changing
Speaker 5: under our feet. That statement from Donald Trump is interesting
Speaker 5: as we try to learn more about what exactly happened,
Speaker 5: but it's hard to tell. Is he going to be
Speaker 5: in public tomorrow is the first day of the convention
Speaker 5: going to happen, And what are they going to do
Speaker 5: with security here in Milwaukee. These are all big questions
Speaker 5: that have yet to be answered.
Speaker 2: Tonight, I wanted to ask about the worldview. I want
Speaker 2: to just take a great, big, thirty thousand foot view,
Speaker 2: because we are hearing now not just from Democrats and Republicans,
Speaker 2: but from world leaders. We're hearing from the new prime
Speaker 2: minister in the UK, We're hearing from the Brazil's president,
Speaker 2: We're hearing from Central America. We're hearing from everybody, and
Speaker 2: they're all everybody is in one voice, condemning violence, particularly
Speaker 2: condemning political violence. Okay, so where does it go from here? Because,
Speaker 2: as you know, Joe, there was a poll, a Bloomberg
Speaker 2: poll back in May where voters, both Democrats and Republicans,
Speaker 2: mostly independents, were concerned that this particular election, this particular election,
Speaker 2: would be marked with some sort of some sort of
Speaker 2: political violence.
Speaker 5: Yep. Look, this is a very hot time, a very
Speaker 5: device of time in American politics. And no one knows
Speaker 5: right now what this means for the election. No one
Speaker 5: knows what it means for security surrounding these people who
Speaker 5: are running for the highest office, and it's going to
Speaker 5: take a minute to figure this out. The first job
Speaker 5: is going to be learning exactly what happened. The next job,
Speaker 5: or maybe the simultaneous job, is going to be lowering
Speaker 5: the temperature here. Talk of retribution has become a daily
Speaker 5: event on this campaign trail, and it's not only Donald
Speaker 5: Trump who talks that way. So you know, Amy, we're
Speaker 5: reporters here and we try to deal with facts as
Speaker 5: we learn them, and we don't have a lot right now,
Speaker 5: so it's difficult to make a lot of judgments. You're
Speaker 5: going to see a lot of statements like the ones
Speaker 5: you're mentioning from around the world, from lawmakers in Washington.
Speaker 5: We've heard from former presidents already here and everyone's holding
Speaker 5: their collective breath. They say Donald Trump is okay, and
Speaker 5: that's a real good start. The potential for lone wolf activity,
Speaker 5: the potential for people becoming more entrenched in their political
Speaker 5: views because of this, is high, and this is something
Speaker 5: that we should be all worried about as Americans right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've asked David Gurrow about this as well as
Speaker 2: Laura Davison and Jody Schneider. Is it possible? And maybe
Speaker 2: it's just because I like thinking of the sunshine and
Speaker 2: the happy part of life, But is it possible that
Speaker 2: this would be the catalyst for people to go you
Speaker 2: know what, maybe we should dial the rhetoric back a bit,
Speaker 2: Maybe we should not be so entrenched.
Speaker 5: I like the way you think anything is possible right now,
Speaker 5: but that's why we shouldn't be casting about with predictions
Speaker 5: or clutch analysis that you're going to hear a lot
Speaker 5: of tonight the Sunday morning shows tomorrow, and look, people
Speaker 5: are going to be angry about this. I'd love to
Speaker 5: think that this is a turning point for the better
Speaker 5: in American politics, but I'm not sure we have the
Speaker 5: ingredients for that at the moment. It's very difficult to tell.
Speaker 5: But let's also acknowledge the opportunity here for these two leaders.
Speaker 5: Donald Trump could go in a lot of different directions
Speaker 5: rhetorically and with this convention tomorrow, and so could the
Speaker 5: people surrounding him. For crying out loud, He's going to
Speaker 5: have Fana White from you know, the UFC on stage
Speaker 5: with him this week. This was a real brawler's kind
Speaker 5: of event that was coming together here, and that's part
Speaker 5: of rallying your base. Well, look for him and for
Speaker 5: Joe Biden, this is an opportunity to maybe find some calm.
Speaker 2: I want to just jump in. And to that point,
Speaker 2: when when former President Trump stood up and he was
Speaker 2: surrounded by the Secret Service, you saw him. He raised
Speaker 2: a fist and he screamed fight, fight, sort of rallying
Speaker 2: the troops. And also I think it was his way
Speaker 2: of letting people know he was okay.
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, watching him pump his fist in the air,
Speaker 5: and he was clearly shaken. Any of us would be
Speaker 5: if we were thrown to the ground by a group
Speaker 5: of Secret Service agents, never mind clipped in the ear
Speaker 5: by whatever that was, if it was a bullet or
Speaker 5: a piece of glass. He says that it was a
Speaker 5: bullet that pierced his ear. I'm sure he was in shot.
Speaker 5: But also to have the presence of mind amy as
Speaker 5: a true performer that he is to take that moment
Speaker 5: to briefly rally the crowd, to pump his fists like this.
Speaker 5: These are images that are going to last forever and
Speaker 5: probably at this point will eclipse the mugshot in terms
Speaker 5: of the historic images of this campaign.
Speaker 2: Is it gonna eclipse the conversation about Biden's age.
Speaker 5: Well, that's a great question. I'm not sure anything ken
Speaker 5: right now. I mean, just consider the dual storylines that
Speaker 5: we're looking at suddenly on both sides of this campaign.
Speaker 5: Thank god he was not hurt more than he was.
Speaker 5: But these are to your words earlier uncharted times, Joe, I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to ask you to stay right there. We've got
Speaker 2: Rick Davis, Bloomberg Politics contributor joining us now, and Rick
Speaker 2: I wanted to jump on the line with you and
Speaker 2: ask about the campaign. Where things go from here. We
Speaker 2: know that the Biden campaign has stopped their outgoing communications.
Speaker 2: They've stopped the commercials. They pulled all their television commercials
Speaker 2: and I presume some of their radio commercials as well,
Speaker 2: at least for the time being. That seems like the
Speaker 2: appropriate move. What do you think about that? Sure?
Speaker 6: I think that that makes total sense. Most of their
Speaker 6: ads right now we're targeting, you know, Donald Trump negative
Speaker 6: campaign ads. Totally inappropriate to have those up on the air,
Speaker 6: you know, in a moment of crisis right now. And
Speaker 6: I say that from a political perspective, this really does
Speaker 6: have a significant impact on the political mood of the country.
Speaker 6: We haven't seen this kind of assault, assassination attempt on
Speaker 6: a political figure at this level in a long time.
Speaker 6: Most people have grown up in a relatively benign environment.
Speaker 6: We talk a lot about political violence has been cropped up,
Speaker 6: but now we've seen it firsthand, and by tomorrow morning,
Speaker 6: people will be waking up profoundly impacted by this. And
Speaker 6: I think that it's the right thing for the Biden
Speaker 6: campaign to have suspended their campaign in essence and focus
Speaker 6: on the health and well being of the former president
Speaker 6: and ensuring that we can keep the mood of the
Speaker 6: country calm and focus on the issues that bring us together,
Speaker 6: not those that divide us.
Speaker 2: Rick, you have some experience with the Republican Convention. I
Speaker 2: believe you were heavily involved in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: What's the next step for them, what's the direction that
Speaker 2: they can take at this point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've been to every Republican convention since nineteen seventy
Speaker 6: six and ran a couple of them, So this is
Speaker 6: going to have an impact on a lot of different things. Obviously,
Speaker 6: there was a very choreograph plan to announce the vice president.
Speaker 6: Over the course of the next forty eight hours, and
Speaker 6: obviously the president's condition is number one, and will he
Speaker 6: get back on track with his existing schedule as a
Speaker 6: lead up to showing up at the convention on Monday.
Speaker 6: But you know, just to remind people listening, there's supposed
Speaker 6: to be a role call vote on Monday with both
Speaker 6: Donald Trump and his vice presidential nominee, and right now
Speaker 6: we don't.
Speaker 5: Know who that is.
Speaker 6: And the question is does this impact even the schedule
Speaker 6: at the convention based on the president's you know, availability,
Speaker 6: he may change his mind on how he wants to
Speaker 6: approach the entrance to this convention based on what's just
Speaker 6: happened to him.
Speaker 2: Let's look ahead also at the Democratic National Convention. We've
Speaker 2: been focusing so much on the Republican National Convention because
Speaker 2: it's right around the corner, and this speech was his
Speaker 2: lead up to that. But the Democratic National Convention is
Speaker 2: in August, and all eyes were on that because of
Speaker 2: the controversy over President Biden's age and mental acuity and
Speaker 2: whether he would be challenged at this convention. Do you
Speaker 2: expect any of the focus to shift because of this?
Speaker 6: Well, certainly, you know we're talking right now about Donald Trump,
Speaker 6: which we haven't really done at all in the course
Speaker 6: of the last two weeks since the debate, because it's
Speaker 6: all been focused on Joe Biden, his disasters to pay performance,
Speaker 6: and whether or not he would be able to continue
Speaker 6: his campaign. This will take Joe Biden out of the limelight.
Speaker 6: This will be focused on Donald Trump for the next
Speaker 6: week and appropriately so, even regardless of this incident. Today,
Speaker 6: this is his convention. He's one of the very few
Speaker 6: in history of our country to have achieved what he's
Speaker 6: achieved by becoming the nominee of this party after having
Speaker 6: already served the president term and then skipped one. So
Speaker 6: it was already set up to be a historic event
Speaker 6: by any stretch of the imagination politically and now personally.
Speaker 6: You know, every delegate who was planning to come to
Speaker 6: the convention books with this week, you know, is saying
Speaker 6: a prayer for Donald Trump and his family right now
Speaker 6: to ensure his safety and speedy recovery, whatever kind that
Speaker 6: may be. And so all the plans that Democrats were
Speaker 6: making about what attack they were going to make on
Speaker 6: Donald Trump, what were they going to be doing, all
Speaker 6: that's been blown open. Having done this many times. Six
Speaker 6: months ago, they were nailing their program down at the
Speaker 6: Democratic Committee saying, here are the speakers we're going to
Speaker 6: want to have here, the themes we're going to want
Speaker 6: to talk about. They were all based on the campaign
Speaker 6: that existed before today. That campaign is now going to
Speaker 6: have to be reevaluated from top to bottom. I cannot
Speaker 6: imagine a scenario where Joe Biden goes back on the
Speaker 6: road after this week's Republican Convention and attacks Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: It's just not going to seem the right tone for
Speaker 6: a campaign that's been affected by this assassination attempt.
Speaker 2: Joe, if you're still with me, I'd like to turn
Speaker 2: to you and ask you a couple of questions if
Speaker 2: I could. We're now learning that Bill Ackman says he
Speaker 2: has just endorsed Donald Trump for president. Now, this is
Speaker 2: not a shocker. We kind of saw this coming. But
Speaker 2: this seems to have pushed him over the edge, right
Speaker 2: and has this whole event, maybe this was the time
Speaker 2: for him to do it. Expect more of that, More
Speaker 2: of people who may have been on the fence or
Speaker 2: may have just been sort of leaning toward Trump now
Speaker 2: saying yeah, he's the guy because of this maybe.
Speaker 5: And you're right, we thought this might happen anyway, So
Speaker 5: maybe not much of a nudge was needed for Bill Ackman.
Speaker 5: I just saw that headline cross the terminal as well,
Speaker 5: maybe and ask myself the same thing. And I just
Speaker 5: think this is why we can't spend time tonight trying
Speaker 5: to predict what's going to happen, because these are going
Speaker 5: to come in one other time, and we're going to
Speaker 5: see and hear things over the next twenty four hours
Speaker 5: that will probably be remarkable when we add them to
Speaker 5: the composite of this whole campaign. But it's difficult to say,
Speaker 5: you're asking me about a potential you know, sympathy play here.
Speaker 5: I'm looking at these images as I talk to you,
Speaker 5: with blood streaming down his face, hiss in the air.
Speaker 5: These are dramatic images that are going to affect the
Speaker 5: way people look at him and look at this race.
Speaker 5: And to Rick's point, this really poses a real challenge
Speaker 5: to the rhetoric on the Biden campaign. And people are
Speaker 5: circulating this remark that he made about putting Trump in
Speaker 5: a bull's eye, and I I'm sure he had no
Speaker 5: idea we'd be talking about it in this context tonight,
Speaker 5: But that's how sensitive people are going to be coming
Speaker 5: out of this, and to think that we're going to
Speaker 5: have a four day Republican convention, assuming that happens with
Speaker 5: the raw rah and the red meat that comes with this,
Speaker 5: I can't imagine what it's going to look and feel
Speaker 5: like here. This is something we're going to have to
Speaker 5: experience together.
Speaker 2: Could this possibly change the tone or the conversation when
Speaker 2: it comes to gun legislation? Oh jeez, I know, because
Speaker 2: the reason I ask is because the Secret Service just
Speaker 2: released a statement saying that it was an Ar gosh
Speaker 2: Ar fifteen rifle from like two hundred yards away. Let
Speaker 2: me look, And so I'm wondering if that might play
Speaker 2: into this an AR style rifle from two hundred feet away.
Speaker 5: I think you'd have to wait to hear from Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, he is an NRA card carrying
Speaker 5: Second Amendment proponent here, it's a big part of his platform.
Speaker 5: Is that going to change the way he talks about
Speaker 5: gun violence? That will probably impact the way his face
Speaker 5: thinks about it. I'm not sure I'm going there in
Speaker 5: my head though, to be honest, Certainly, after what we
Speaker 5: saw in the wake of Uvaldi and the rhetoric and
Speaker 5: sort of the debate that surrounded that sense. I don't
Speaker 5: know though, I mean, these are these are things we
Speaker 5: shouldn't try to predict, but I think that would be
Speaker 5: a remarkable moment, in an unexpected one of that.
Speaker 2: I want to turn back to Rick Davis, Bloomberg Politics contributor.
Speaker 2: You're there, You're in Milwaukee. Just like Joe, Joe described
Speaker 2: the scene where they were all on the plane and
Speaker 2: there was not really a Wi Fi, so they didn't
Speaker 2: know until they landed that this was going on. Very shocking.
Speaker 2: I'd like to know how you learned about.
Speaker 6: This, Yeah, the same way. I was seated next to
Speaker 6: Kelly and Conway on the plane coming out here, and
Speaker 6: as soon as we got into range of cell service,
Speaker 6: everybody was really just you know, gasping. And it was
Speaker 6: very early after the incident, and people didn't have really
Speaker 6: any information of what happened or what Donald Trump's condition was,
Speaker 6: and so there was a real somber mood on the plane,
Speaker 6: and the few words exchange with Kelly, Anne and and
Speaker 6: and other reporters who were also on the plane following
Speaker 6: the same news was you know, pretty pretty dramatic. So, uh,
Speaker 6: it was. It was an odd thing to be sort
Speaker 6: of captured on a plane with no Wi Fi and
Speaker 6: oblivious to probably one of the most historic events in
Speaker 6: modern political history. And uh, and here we are on
Speaker 6: the ground, surrounded by Republicans from all over the country,
Speaker 6: you know, getting ready to party on for Donald Trump
Speaker 6: this week. And it's definitely going to change the mood
Speaker 6: of the delegates, the officials and members of Congress, the governors,
Speaker 6: everybody who is a Republican officeholder will be here and
Speaker 6: and and and will be impacted by today's events.
Speaker 2: Well, Rick, on that note, we want to bring you
Speaker 2: the audio of what happened at that rally. This is
Speaker 2: what it sounded like moments before, and during, and just
Speaker 2: after former President Trump was shot. Now you're going to
Speaker 2: hear gunshots. We want to warn you that it contains
Speaker 2: the sound of gunfire. It contains the sound of people screaming,
Speaker 2: and you can hear the Secret Service barking orders and
Speaker 2: shouting to each other about what to do next. So
Speaker 2: we're going to roll that piece of audio right now.
Speaker 5: Oh, that's a little bit old.
Speaker 6: That that charts a couple of months old.
Speaker 2: And if you want to really see.
Speaker 6: Something that said, take a look at what happened.
Speaker 1: To spare was there?
Speaker 3: What are you ready, I'm you ready? Bows here, ready,
Speaker 3: get ready?
Speaker 6: Are you ready?
Speaker 2: Shoot? Were good?
Speaker 3: Shooters down, I'll be good.
Speaker 2: We're we're going. Let me get my shoes.
Speaker 5: Let me get my shoes, sir, I got you.
Speaker 2: Let me get my shoes.
Speaker 5: Hold on head, bloody, So we gotta get to bunch.
Speaker 2: Let me get okay, okay. That was some pretty graphic
Speaker 2: audio that we have from the rally and Joe I
Speaker 2: had not heard that part before where they said shoot
Speaker 2: her down so quickly, so fast, shoot her down, shoot
Speaker 2: her down, and then President Trump saying, or former President
Speaker 2: Trump saying, I got to get my shoes like it
Speaker 2: knocked him out of his shoes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I you know. He then went on to say fight, fight,
Speaker 5: fight three times while he was pumping his fist. I'll
Speaker 5: be honest with you, that's so disturbing hearing that that.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure we're going to be playing that tape
Speaker 5: for a lot longer.
Speaker 2: No, I completely agree. I wanted to. I mean, yes,
Speaker 2: you're absolutely right, it's very chilling. It's disturbing, and that
Speaker 2: it happened during a campaign rally, Rick somehow makes it
Speaker 2: all seem so much worse.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and what you couldn't hear or see is the
Speaker 6: presidence of mine of President Trump, who once they got
Speaker 6: him to his feet and headed to the card. Of course,
Speaker 6: at that point nobody knows what his condition is. I
Speaker 6: recall in the White House was Ronald Reagan when he
Speaker 6: got shot. He got stuffed into the Secret Service car.
Speaker 6: Nobody had any clue whether he'd actually been shot or
Speaker 6: or what had happened to him. It was very reminiscent
Speaker 6: of that episode. But he stood up President Trump and
Speaker 6: as Joe remarked, you know, thrusting his fist into the air,
Speaker 6: saying fight, fight, fight. And what you don't hear right
Speaker 6: after that clip is the crowd breaking into a chant
Speaker 6: for USA. So you know, they had their own way
Speaker 6: of sending Trump off, you know, in a way that
Speaker 6: I think is going to be emblematic of how his
Speaker 6: bage feels about this incident. Now, just just going to
Speaker 6: fire him up.
Speaker 2: Just after the shooting, we were already saying, well, the
Speaker 2: White House needs to release a statement, somebody needs to
Speaker 2: say something. I mean, we need we need the president
Speaker 2: to seem presidential. And it was about an hour and
Speaker 2: a half, maybe two hours later, President Biden did step
Speaker 2: in front of the cameras, and this is what he
Speaker 2: had to say.
Speaker 7: I'm thoroughly by all the agencies in the federal government.
Speaker 7: It's this situation based on what we know now. I
Speaker 7: have tried to get a hold of Donald. He's with
Speaker 7: his doctors. They apparently he's doing well. I plan on
Speaker 7: talking to them shortly. I hope when I get back
Speaker 7: to the telephone. Look, there's no place in America for
Speaker 7: this kind of violence. It's sick. It's sick. It's one
Speaker 7: of the reason why we have to unite this country.
Speaker 7: We cannot allow for this to be happening. We cannot
Speaker 7: be like this. We cannot condone this. And so, and
Speaker 7: I want to thank the Secret Service and all the agency,
Speaker 7: including the state agencies that have been engaged in making
Speaker 7: sure that people and we have more detail to come
Speaker 7: relative to other injured, other people may be injured in
Speaker 7: the audience. I don't have all that detail. We'll make
Speaker 7: that available to you. I may be able to come
Speaker 7: back to a little later tonight, but we'll put out
Speaker 7: a statement if we don't, if I am not able
Speaker 7: to get it, if it's not communient for you, will
Speaker 7: The bottom line is the Trump rally, the rally that
Speaker 7: he should have been able to be conducted peacefully without
Speaker 7: any problem. But the idea, the idea that there's political
Speaker 7: violence or violence in America like this is just unpard of,
Speaker 7: It's just not appropriate. I mean, everybody, everybody must condemn it. Everybody.
Speaker 7: I'll keep you informed and if I maybe will speak
Speaker 7: to the to Donald, I'll let you know that as well.
Speaker 7: So far it appears he's doing well. Number one. Number two,
Speaker 7: that there's thoroughly investigating what happened to anyone else in
Speaker 7: the audience. I have, we have some reports, but not
Speaker 7: final reports, and every agency in the federal government, and
Speaker 7: I'm going back to my phone to speak with the
Speaker 7: federal agencies are to be put together again to give
Speaker 7: you an updated breefeas as anything happened. They learning more
Speaker 7: in the last couple hours. So thank you very much,
Speaker 7: and I hope I get to speak to him tonight
Speaker 7: and I'll get you back to you if I do.
Speaker 2: President, Do you think this was an assassination attempt?
Speaker 7: I don't know enough to have an opinion, but I
Speaker 7: don't have any facts, so I want to make sure
Speaker 7: we have all the facts before I make some comment.
Speaker 6: Anymore comments.
Speaker 2: Thank you now again, that was President Biden about an
Speaker 2: hour and a half, almost two hours ago now talking
Speaker 2: about the shooting at Donald Trump's campaign rally. And I
Speaker 2: want to turn to you, Rick. We needed the president
Speaker 2: me as Americans needed the president to be presidential, and
Speaker 2: we needed him to be clear and concise and able
Speaker 2: to share his thoughts, something I'm having a hard time
Speaker 2: doing right now. Clearly, did he pull it off.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I think he did exactly what you were suggesting
Speaker 6: that he should do. He was concise, He told the
Speaker 6: American people what he knew to be sure, and didn't
Speaker 6: speculate on anything else. And I thought it was really striking.
Speaker 6: Twice in his remarks he referred to former President Trump
Speaker 6: as Donald. I thought, I don't recall him using that
Speaker 6: kind of, you know, conversational remark toward President Trump. And
Speaker 6: and I saw that as a very positive thing. It
Speaker 6: was personal, uh, you know, there was no stiffness to it.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 6: And and look, I mean in this situation, the one
Speaker 6: thing we all do know about President Biden is that
Speaker 6: he has a great capacity to care about what happens
Speaker 6: to people. And I think that came out in this
Speaker 6: In this press briefing, he didn't sound like the guy
Speaker 6: who has been battling Donald Trump for the last two years,
Speaker 6: if not for the last decade, and and sounded deeply
Speaker 6: concerned about his well being and registered the appropriate amount
Speaker 6: of disgust with what occurred in the commitment that they'll
Speaker 6: do everything that can is our government to be sure
Speaker 6: that that doesn't happen again. So yeah, I think he
Speaker 6: did the right thing, and I hope that that kind
Speaker 6: of tone and tenor goes beyond today's press briefing and
Speaker 6: can create a more benign environment in the politics.
Speaker 2: That we have. Also, well, we've certainly heard from a
Speaker 2: lot of political appointees, political leaders, world leaders. The Secretary
Speaker 2: of State Anthony Lincoln just releasing this statement, I'm shocked
Speaker 2: and saddened by the shooting at former President Trump's rally,
Speaker 2: grateful that he is safe, and as Potus said, as
Speaker 2: Biden said, there is no place for political violence in
Speaker 2: America and we must all condemn it. And for those
Speaker 2: of you who are just joining us, I want to
Speaker 2: get you up to speed on what's going on. Donald
Speaker 2: Trump says he was hit in the ear during a
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania rally. Says it literally pierced to the top part
Speaker 2: of his ear. The shooter is dead, and attendee was killed.
Speaker 2: Two are critically injured. Donald Trump says he's fine. He
Speaker 2: was evaluated at a medical facility. President Biden, of course,
Speaker 2: in that statement you just heard, says he wants to
Speaker 2: speak directly with Donald Trump, and then if he's able
Speaker 2: to do that, he'll probably get back in front of
Speaker 2: the cameras and talk again to the American people. The
Speaker 2: Secret Services multiple shots were fired from an elevated position,
Speaker 2: and of course President Biden, along with so many others,
Speaker 2: saying that there is no place for such violence in
Speaker 2: our American system of democracy. So, Joe Matthew, what are
Speaker 2: you going to be watching for the next I don't know,
Speaker 2: twenty four hours before the RNC really gets ramped up.
Speaker 5: Well, when we actually see Donald Trump in public again
Speaker 5: is going to be the moment, right, How do they
Speaker 5: handle this tomorrow? What will be the venue, how will
Speaker 5: he appear? Is going to be bandaged? Will he be
Speaker 5: joined by his running mate? This is still something that
Speaker 5: has yet to be revealed before the convention. It's also
Speaker 5: something that we could learn at the convention on Monday,
Speaker 5: I suppose, But they don't have too much time to
Speaker 5: make that announcement considering the actual business that needs to
Speaker 5: be had at the convention here, which is why we're here,
Speaker 5: the actual nominating process. So I suspect and Rick Davis
Speaker 5: can speak more to this. He's actually one presidential campaign.
Speaker 5: There are probably a lot of people talking about a
Speaker 5: lot of different ideas right now about how they're going
Speaker 5: to do this, and that probably goes for both campaigns
Speaker 5: as well. How does Joe Biden respond to this, knowing
Speaker 5: that he's dealing with a lot of issues on his
Speaker 5: own right now as Republicans gather here in Milwaukee. I
Speaker 5: think you're right, twenty four hours is what we'll spend here,
Speaker 5: probably being fascinated by what we learn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Democratic campaign, the Biden campaign is going
Speaker 2: to have to really reassess too. As we've discussed earlier,
Speaker 2: they've already pulled their commercials, they've already stopped all outgoing
Speaker 2: communication from the Biden campaign, So they're assessing, they're regrouping.
Speaker 2: The attention and we talked to about this a little
Speaker 2: bit too. The attention now it's definitely been taken off
Speaker 2: of Biden's mental acuity. Let me ask you, Joe, you
Speaker 2: heard him in that press conference. There was no teleprompter there,
Speaker 2: there were no prepared remarks. He came out there and
Speaker 2: sort of shot from the hit oh gosh, sort of
Speaker 2: spoke off the top of his head.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's true. Whether they, you know, see
Speaker 5: that as a good moment for him, since this seems
Speaker 5: to be a moment by a moment issue for the
Speaker 5: Biden campaign right now, I guess has yet to be seen.
Speaker 5: But you know, it was fairly early in the day.
Speaker 5: He had a very specific topic, and we know that
Speaker 5: Joe Biden, as the consolar in chief, is pretty good
Speaker 5: at this. And you know, as you guys were discussing
Speaker 5: kind of reaching out to Donald which was an interesting moment.
Speaker 5: Maybe they wouldn't have done that if there had been
Speaker 5: a teleprompter in the room. But chalking up wins for
Speaker 5: Joe Biden political wins kind of tough this weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, of course, I want to also update you
Speaker 2: president former President Trump's current whereabouts have not been confirmed.
Speaker 2: This is according She's senior Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Sialia Mosen.
Speaker 2: She says, about thirty minutes ago, as we brought to you,
Speaker 2: there was an update from Trump posted on his account
Speaker 2: on truth Social But we don't know exactly where he
Speaker 2: is right now, and that's perfectly fine as long as
Speaker 2: he's safe. Immediately after the shooting, when he was seen
Speaker 2: with blood on his ear in his face, he was speaking,
Speaker 2: and microphones, as we heard earlier, picked up his voice saying,
Speaker 2: let me get my shoes. Let me get my shoes.
Speaker 2: So he is in a safe, secure location. We want
Speaker 2: to turn now to Terry Haynes of Pangaea Policy. Terry,
Speaker 2: we've got a little bit more information. Now. Do we
Speaker 2: know that Donald Trump was injured. One rally goer was killed,
Speaker 2: Two other rally goers are critically injured. The shooter was
Speaker 2: taken down very quickly. If that audio is to be
Speaker 2: interpreted that way, What are you hearing at this.
Speaker 1: Point, Well, I'm hearing and looking at all the same
Speaker 1: things you're looking at. Frankly, you know, I'm from western Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: I have some familiarity with that ground and it is
Speaker 1: it is fairly you know that stage, aside that that's
Speaker 1: a fairly open area. And I don't know what they
Speaker 1: did in order to secure the perimeter or anything else.
Speaker 1: And I'm certainly not blaming the service for doing their jobs,
Speaker 1: but that's a difficult perimeter to defend. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think we're all we're all fortunate that the president
Speaker 1: got out, the former president got out with as little
Speaker 1: apparent injury as he did.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that you would bring that up. We were
Speaker 2: talking with one of our reporters who was actually there,
Speaker 2: and she said there were fifteen thousand rally goers, there
Speaker 2: were metal detectors, and that the perimeter had been swept,
Speaker 2: and that it seemed I mean, most people who we've
Speaker 2: talked to about this have said that they were really
Speaker 2: surprised anybody could have gotten up onto an elevated position
Speaker 2: with an ar rifle, an ar style rifle, as the
Speaker 2: Secret Service has described it. Clearly, Uh, security is going
Speaker 2: to be beefed up for everybody at this point, no,
Speaker 2: no question about that. But at the same time, it's
Speaker 2: not like we weren't worried about this already. And by we,
Speaker 2: I mean the American people. We did a Bloomberg poll
Speaker 2: back in May that showed Democrats, Republicans, and mostly independents
Speaker 2: were concerned that this particular campaign would be marked with
Speaker 2: political violence.
Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah, there's yeah, all those all those things are true,
Speaker 1: and I you know, was subscribed to what you just
Speaker 1: said one hundred percent, I will say on the perimeter,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at one network that's got a kind
Speaker 1: of a Google map style visual of the thing. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know that there's you know, my concern about it
Speaker 1: was as far as the perimeter goes is yeah, they
Speaker 1: I'm sure they swept everybody was in. And at the
Speaker 1: same time, it's the stage aside, it's a really open area.
Speaker 1: It's not like we're talking about a baseball park or
Speaker 1: something right for the complete enclosure. So uh yeah, I am.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm surprised and saddened to hear that. You know,
Speaker 1: somebody could get rifle access, but even from a great distance.
Speaker 1: But my recollection of the places that that you know,
Speaker 1: is that might well have been possible. Now that said,
Speaker 1: as far as the as far as the political violence goes,
Speaker 1: you know, we've got a situation for markets, and I'm
Speaker 1: always careful to talk about it, talk about things in
Speaker 1: a in a market sense. You're still there, I am,
Speaker 1: I am, yes, okay, good because I'm getting one of
Speaker 1: your producers calling me different life anyway, the uh anyway,
Speaker 1: the uh, I'm always careful to talk talk with you
Speaker 1: all about market sense. I mean, we're already in a
Speaker 1: situation where there's the highest twe of political risk in
Speaker 1: fifty years, where we're in increased US political instability was
Speaker 1: already essentially given for US and world markets, and now
Speaker 1: you know that's increased markedly tonight between tonight and between
Speaker 1: the events of the last two weeks with the President
Speaker 1: Biden and the Democratic attempts to remove him as the nominee.
Speaker 1: So you know, this goes well beyond a bad look
Speaker 1: for the United States tonight. There's a lot of people
Speaker 1: around the world that are saying that are our friends,
Speaker 1: saying what is exact exactly is going on over there,
Speaker 1: And there was a lot of our enemies that are
Speaker 1: very much cheered by what happened tonight, and that's all
Speaker 1: very bad for markets.
Speaker 2: That is exactly what I wanted to talk to you about.
Speaker 2: We have been seeing all of the post's social media posts,
Speaker 2: the releases that have been coming from world leaders all
Speaker 2: condemning political violence, that they all seem to be of
Speaker 2: one voice. And yet here we are and we just
Speaker 2: had NATO in Washington, d c. Leave just yesterday. You know,
Speaker 2: the world leaders with NATO, does this speak to I
Speaker 2: don't know our system, how America is right now, the
Speaker 2: Biden administration, a future Trump administration. What does this tell you?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna take the other side
Speaker 1: of the usual rhetoric at a time like this. Uh,
Speaker 1: this says, this says I believe, and I would tell
Speaker 1: anybody there's there's less here. I don't just I don't
Speaker 1: make light of any of this, but I think there's
Speaker 1: a little bit a lot less here than than meets
Speaker 1: the eye. What you've gotten, what you've gotten in American
Speaker 1: politics is a situation where we're purists on both sides.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to call them extremists, but purists on
Speaker 1: both sides. Certainly, people who want their way in no
Speaker 1: other way are are over over important factors in American
Speaker 1: political life. When the vast majority, I mean the vast
Speaker 1: majority of people in this country want solutions, they want bipartisanship,
Speaker 1: they want people to kind of work and move forward.
Speaker 1: I mean, what you've got is, uh, is is people
Speaker 1: on both sides straining is the bit to have everything
Speaker 1: their own way, and uh and uh kind of frustrating
Speaker 1: that sort of progress. And so what you see both
Speaker 1: in the rhetoric, the and the way the rhetoric politically,
Speaker 1: the way politicians pander to it, the way and uh,
Speaker 1: and the events that surround it, uh and again on
Speaker 1: both sides. I think this is is true of what's
Speaker 1: going on with the Democrats and President Biden as it
Speaker 1: is of what happened tonight. What you've got is a
Speaker 1: situation where a lot of that, a lot of that
Speaker 1: sort of spilling out. It's easy to make it into
Speaker 1: a funhouse mirror where it indicts the entire political system
Speaker 1: and in the country at large. I don't think that's true,
Speaker 1: but it's a but it's a very bad moment for
Speaker 1: the country, and we have lacked Our politicians on both
Speaker 1: sides have lacked, among other things, humility for quite a while,
Speaker 1: and they act as if there's no consequences for what
Speaker 1: they might say or do. And it's time for them
Speaker 1: all to understand that there are consequences of these sorts
Speaker 1: of things, and one of the consequences I think we're
Speaker 1: seeing tonight.
Speaker 2: President Biden. During his statement earlier, he indicated that he
Speaker 2: wanted to talk directly to a former President Trump and
Speaker 2: called him Donald, which I don't know that I've heard
Speaker 2: him do that in a long time, especially since the
Speaker 2: campaign has really become so geared up as we approach.
Speaker 2: Remember he called him Donald. Seems like that personal note
Speaker 2: that he was trying to put out there. If you're
Speaker 2: President Biden, what could you possibly say?
Speaker 1: I think you say, I'm sorry that this happened to you.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel for you. I hope you're well.
Speaker 1: Uh tell me about that, and let's let's well and
Speaker 1: let's let's let's work together. I mean, if I were
Speaker 1: President Biden, what I would say to former President Trump
Speaker 1: is very simply, Uh, let's work together to try to
Speaker 1: lower the lower the rhetoric and lower the tone. Uh,
Speaker 1: lower the lower, the lower the high tensions. Uh and
Speaker 1: uh and try together, uh to create a situation where
Speaker 1: uh where the high tensions of the moment, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: don't continue and our lesson to some extent. Uh and uh.
Speaker 1: You know, if I were advising President Biden, that's certainly
Speaker 1: what I would advise him to do, and I would
Speaker 1: hope he would.
Speaker 2: Uh. Terry Haynes with Pangaea policy, I want you to
Speaker 2: stand by if if you don't mind, I've kept you
Speaker 2: quite a long time. If you could just take a breath.
Speaker 2: I'm going to turn for just a moment to Jody
Speaker 2: Schneider with Bloomberg. She is on the ground in Milwaukee, Jody,
Speaker 2: just to sort of recap what we've been seeing. We're
Speaker 2: getting a lot more information, of course about who's been injured,
Speaker 2: who was killed, a president, former president Trump's status, and
Speaker 2: now we're seeing that BET's on a Trump victory in
Speaker 2: the November elections surged after he posted on truth social
Speaker 2: that he was shot in the right ear when gunfire
Speaker 2: erupted at his rally. Does that at all surprise you?
Speaker 4: It really doesn't surprise me. There tends to be a
Speaker 4: lot of sympathy and things in these kinds of situations.
Speaker 4: And also it plays into president the former president's narrative
Speaker 4: that you know, he is tough, he is strong, you
Speaker 4: know this this kind of this happening at a rally,
Speaker 4: it has this whole kind of it would appeal very
Speaker 4: much to his maga crowd. So that doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 4: Now again, these situations, thinks are you know, very fluid
Speaker 4: at first, you know, you took a poll. Now it
Speaker 4: will tell you one thing. A week from now, it
Speaker 4: will tell you something. It could tell you something very different.
Speaker 4: But the timing is certainly very interesting, given that he
Speaker 4: is to come to Milwaukee, uh, you know, to for
Speaker 4: this week to be his sort of the real affirmation
Speaker 4: of him as the head of the ticket, the Republican
Speaker 4: nominee and really they head of the Republican Party.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: So this happened just before he was to come here.
Speaker 4: This is his last rally before he showed up in
Speaker 4: Milwaukee for his nomination.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was supposed to be the big gear up
Speaker 2: rally before the Republican convention, and at that convention, all
Speaker 2: eyes were on the convention because everybody wants to know
Speaker 2: who the vice presidential candidate is going.
Speaker 4: To be, right, We thought that was really you know,
Speaker 4: that's what we were all trained on at this point
Speaker 4: to see what that was going to be. And news
Speaker 4: sets a way of kind of changing the narrative, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: But at this point, you know, we're starting to talk
Speaker 4: some people in the field here and there's and the
Speaker 4: Republicans who are starting to gather here are telling us that,
Speaker 4: you know, they're very much behind him, and it looks
Speaker 4: like this will bolster it will probably also bolster his funderation.
Speaker 2: Oh indeed, I have not even thought about the fundrating.
Speaker 2: Yet what else are you hearing on the ground there
Speaker 2: in Milwaukee? Are people beginning to gather in the city
Speaker 2: to prepare for the event that begins on Monday already?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's not big crowds yet. Most of the people
Speaker 4: who are coming, you know, we'll start coming in tomorrow
Speaker 4: and then it really starts on Monday. But we were
Speaker 4: hearing from some Republicans, you know, the registered Republicans saying,
Speaker 4: first of all, there's you know, shocks. You don't think
Speaker 4: something like this is going to happen, but they think
Speaker 4: it helps him. It shows that you know there that
Speaker 4: there's a lot of people behind him. Uh. And of
Speaker 4: course we don't know much about the shooter or what
Speaker 4: you know, that will come out in coming days. But
Speaker 4: at this point, I think, you know what the themes
Speaker 4: that we're hearing this early on, and it is early on,
Speaker 4: it's only hours since it's happened, is that a lot
Speaker 4: of support for the former president and also the current
Speaker 4: president and others law makers and Capitol Hill Democrats and
Speaker 4: Republicans both giving their support, saying this should not be happening,
Speaker 4: condemning this kind of political violence. We heard from President
Speaker 4: Biden into the camera, made statement and had also sent
Speaker 4: a statement and said he was reaching out to President
Speaker 4: the former president when he would hope to speak to
Speaker 4: him this evening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to talk to you about President Biden's statement.
Speaker 2: We have been so focused on his age and his
Speaker 2: mental acuity over the past couple of weeks. But he
Speaker 2: came out and made that statement. As far as I know,
Speaker 2: he did not have a teleprompter. He was just speaking.
Speaker 2: Whether it was exemporaneously or not, I do not know.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's interesting how the narrative changes. Right, We've
Speaker 4: been so focused on that, and in this moment, he
Speaker 4: was being kind of the comforter in chief. He was
Speaker 4: the president of the US talking to us at a
Speaker 4: moment of shocks.
Speaker 2: Significant that he referred to former President Trump as Donald.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. You might have thought he would have
Speaker 4: said the former president. But he clearly though, was trying
Speaker 4: to speak in a way that was comforting and that
Speaker 4: was condemning violence, that was saying that this has no
Speaker 4: place in America, which is a very kind of presidential
Speaker 4: thing to do. Joe Biden is good in these moments.
Speaker 4: He has been a good comfort in chief. He came,
Speaker 4: you know, had a lot of tragedy in his own
Speaker 4: life and with you know, family members, and I think
Speaker 4: he you know, it is something he is he is
Speaker 4: skilled at in terms of these kinds of moments.
Speaker 2: And Jody, I know that you were on short on
Speaker 2: time this evening, but I did want to get your
Speaker 2: thoughts on something that we talked about earlier. I was
Speaker 2: speaking with Bloomberg's Joe Matthew and he made the comment,
Speaker 2: and I think it's it's important to remember, you know,
Speaker 2: over the next twenty four to thirty six hours, we're
Speaker 2: going to hear a lot of rhetoric. We're going to
Speaker 2: hear a lot of conjecture. We're going to hear a
Speaker 2: lot of new is going to be coming at us
Speaker 2: full steam ahead. I'd like to know what you because
Speaker 2: this is your gig, this is what you do. What
Speaker 2: are you going to be watching for? What's important?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we're going to be watching for, first
Speaker 4: of all, any news about the shooter and what the uh,
Speaker 4: you know, what what we can find out there about
Speaker 4: what the intentions were, perhaps whether this is at all organized,
Speaker 4: you know, I think that will tell us some things.
Speaker 4: It is also going to be Obviously the security in
Speaker 4: Milwaukee will be very, very tight. It was already expected
Speaker 4: to be tight. What does that mean? What does it
Speaker 4: mean for the schedule in Milwaukee? Things may change and
Speaker 4: there's a lot of events, you know, does this change
Speaker 4: that at all?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: And also what does this do in in the race?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: Again, what will well, obviously this one would expect that
Speaker 4: the supporters of the former president, this will make them
Speaker 4: even more for supporters. But what does it change anything
Speaker 4: about those who are undecided people in swing states? And again,
Speaker 4: the current president and how does this affect his chances
Speaker 4: and the situation with him and his party?
Speaker 2: All right, Bloombrooks, Jody Schneider, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: taking the time with us this evening. We've kept you
Speaker 2: a very long time and we appreciate you staying with us.
Speaker 2: And we are continuing our coverage of the shooting that
Speaker 2: happened at former President Donald Trump's campaign rally. It was
Speaker 2: a rally that was designed to sort of gear up
Speaker 2: into the Republican National Convention, which kicks off on Monday.
Speaker 2: That's where Jody is. In fact, she's in Milwaukee along
Speaker 2: with Bloombergs Joe Matthew getting ready for that convention. Donald
Speaker 2: Trump says he was hit in the ear during that rally.
Speaker 2: The shooter who opened fire is dead. An attendee was
Speaker 2: also killed, and two other people were critically injured. Donald
Speaker 2: Trump saying that he is fine, He's been evaluated at
Speaker 2: a medical facility. And now we are just looking ahead
Speaker 2: to see how this impacts not just the convention and
Speaker 2: not just the campaign, but the rhetoric that surrounds the
Speaker 2: politics in America today. Turning now back to Terry Haynes
Speaker 2: at Pangaea Policy. I asked this question of Joe, I
Speaker 2: asked this question of Jody, and now I'm going to
Speaker 2: ask you, Terry, over the next twenty four to thirty
Speaker 2: six hours, how do you separate the week from the chaff?
Speaker 2: How do you listen to everything that's going to be
Speaker 2: coming at us and figure out what's important and what's
Speaker 2: just noise.
Speaker 1: I think the next twenty four to thirty six hours, frankly,
Speaker 1: is going to be mostly noise and very little signal
Speaker 1: you're going to get. Then you you've referred to a
Speaker 1: lot of this already tonight. Yeah, they're going to try
Speaker 1: We're going to try to figure out who the shooter
Speaker 1: was what that person's motivation was. We're gonna We're going
Speaker 1: to figure out uh the other, uh, the other damage
Speaker 1: that happened to at least one person apparently killed, others
Speaker 1: potentially injured. There's going to be a storyline surrounding, surrounding
Speaker 1: the Secret Service, frankly, about whether they could have done
Speaker 1: anything more or less or anything else. Aside from that,
Speaker 1: what you're going to get is you're going to get
Speaker 1: Trump going to the going to the convention of Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: And what I would be looking for, frankly, is whether
Speaker 1: Trump takes this as kind of a business as usual
Speaker 1: moment or its kind of a triumphalist moment. You know,
Speaker 1: we've seen Trump as a politician over the last decade,
Speaker 1: and a lot of what is a lot of what
Speaker 1: his reactions to events have been in the past would
Speaker 1: lead would lead people to a conclusion that he's going
Speaker 1: to be triumphalist. In the convention, tone will get even
Speaker 1: shriller and and you know, of shrill, even more shrill
Speaker 1: than it is right now. He'd be wise, though, I think,
Speaker 1: and I'd watch this wise to take a little bit
Speaker 1: more presidential tone and do things to try to lesson
Speaker 1: the rhetoric provide a performance very similar to that which
Speaker 1: he did in the debate, which frankly, would have a
Speaker 1: broader appeal to the rest of the party which he
Speaker 1: needs and the independence which he needs because right now,
Speaker 1: unlike twenty sixteen, he's not presiding over a united Party
Speaker 1: and he's not appealing to the majority of independence. He
Speaker 1: needs to do that. He can't do that by ramping
Speaker 1: up further the rhetoric of US versus them. He can
Speaker 1: do that by being a little bit more presidential.
Speaker 2: We do have a statement from the Trump campaign and
Speaker 2: the Republican National Committee and would like to read it
Speaker 2: to you and get your thoughts. As was communicated earlier
Speaker 2: this evening, President Trump is doing well and grateful to
Speaker 2: law enforcement and first responders for their fast action. President
Speaker 2: Trump looks forward to joining you all in Milwaukee as
Speaker 2: we proceed with our convention to nominate him to serve
Speaker 2: as the forty seventh President of the United States. As
Speaker 2: our party's nominee, President Trump will continue to share his
Speaker 2: vision to make America a great again. So we're hearing
Speaker 2: from the campaign, but it seems very vanilla. You know,
Speaker 2: He's okay, He's going to be here. He's grateful. Let's
Speaker 2: move on. That's what it sounds like. Am I wrong?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, you're right. And you know, vanilla is underrated
Speaker 1: as a great flavor in politics, and they need to
Speaker 1: put shorter what I did longer a minute ago. They
Speaker 1: need a little more vanilla. There's plenty of spice in
Speaker 1: their candidate. There's plenty of spice in their campaign. They
Speaker 1: need a little more vanilla. And you know, you know,
Speaker 1: like that that great Julie Andrew's character had of a
Speaker 1: spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down, and they
Speaker 1: need a little more of that. So you know, that
Speaker 1: might be the beginning of will be beginning of what
Speaker 1: I'm suggesting.
Speaker 2: Now, there's this thought, and you would be able to
Speaker 2: speak to this better than anyone. I think that we
Speaker 2: we don't dismiss this. This was very, very serious, but
Speaker 2: the candidate's okay, let's move forward. Let's try to do
Speaker 2: business as usual, maybe with a little rah rah. I
Speaker 2: survive an assassination attempts, sort of like you know, this
Speaker 2: happened to me. I made it through. I'm strong, I'm tough.
Speaker 2: Let's keep going. There's also the school of thought that
Speaker 2: they could make a bigger deal out of it and
Speaker 2: use it to not use it, but speak to the
Speaker 2: divisive rhetoric in this country, Like what should a campaign
Speaker 2: do when something like this happens. Do you move forward
Speaker 2: and try to dismiss it at least somewhat or do
Speaker 2: you use it?
Speaker 1: Well, you use it regardless. But what I would suggest
Speaker 1: is that maybe a little counterintuitive to people, you know,
Speaker 1: you use it in this way. People already understand. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody in the country understand what happened. They
Speaker 1: understand it's a big deal. They understand that Trump just
Speaker 1: had a brush with and I you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think that that's too much to say he did the
Speaker 1: But I think the last thing you need to do
Speaker 1: is stand on a soapbox and yell all those things.
Speaker 1: Uh they you know, you you you take them in,
Speaker 1: you embody them. Uh, but you say, look, let's go forward.
Speaker 1: This only shows how important the issues that we're fighting
Speaker 1: for are. Uh, you know, you know, and and you
Speaker 1: know frankly, what we need to do and uh And
Speaker 1: the political twist on this, I think is that, uh,
Speaker 1: you say that you are the candidate best able frankly
Speaker 1: to you know, move past this moment in politics and
Speaker 1: uh and do what needs to be done and uh
Speaker 1: and express how it needs to be done. Uh. It
Speaker 1: is a symptom, I would say, you know that they
Speaker 1: should say, Uh, it is a this is a symptom
Speaker 1: of the very kinds of things we need to do
Speaker 1: to change Uh, not just the tone of the debate
Speaker 1: and the country, but actually kind of move that move
Speaker 1: the country forward. Uh. You put the other side on
Speaker 1: the back foot without without overtly appearing to do it,
Speaker 1: and and uh, I think that's that's the tactic that
Speaker 1: works best with people.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, I would not suggest, just to be really clear,
Speaker 1: I would not suggest that we're in a situation where
Speaker 1: that we would be with almost any other Republican where
Speaker 1: Biden's difficulties over the last two weeks mean that there
Speaker 1: is a leakage that goes directly from Biden to the
Speaker 1: to the other side. There is a huge resistance by
Speaker 1: people even that are marginally for by UH to to
Speaker 1: voting for Trump. So you're not gonna if you're Trump,
Speaker 1: and you understand that, and you know it, and I
Speaker 1: do think they do the last thing you're going to do,
Speaker 1: the last thing that's going to be beneficial to you
Speaker 1: politically is overdoing it on overdoing it on the politics,
Speaker 1: overdoing it on the uh. You know, we've battled at
Speaker 1: the gates of the Lord sort of thing, and you
Speaker 1: know this is a you know, this just just shows
Speaker 1: how wonderful and pure we all are and how terrific
Speaker 1: all this is, and you know how important it is.
Speaker 1: You don't you know, you don't need to say any
Speaker 1: of that. You need to actually disassociate yourself from that
Speaker 1: and just say, you know, we're the best position and
Speaker 1: move forward here. And you know, I'm offering my hand
Speaker 1: to people who want to change the country for the better.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think he gets the I think
Speaker 1: he gets much more political benefit out of that than
Speaker 1: getting shrill.
Speaker 2: One last question before we let you go, Cherry. The
Speaker 2: Biden campaign, they have a fine line that they have
Speaker 2: to walk.
Speaker 1: Well, they have a very fine line they have to walk.
Speaker 1: I think the president, you know, you know, in terms
Speaker 1: of you know, politics is a hard business and his
Speaker 1: cold business. And the hard and cold part of this
Speaker 1: is that the president gets to demonstrate his sentience, the
Speaker 1: fact that he's there, he's with it, and that he's
Speaker 1: you know, responding to this tragedy and dealing with it affirmatively,
Speaker 1: and he gets to use that. So I think you'll
Speaker 1: see a lot more out of the White House. I
Speaker 1: don't think Biden statement is a one off. I think
Speaker 1: you'll see a lot more out of the White House
Speaker 1: over the next twenty four forty seventy two hours about this,
Speaker 1: what they're doing, how they're investigating, how they're trying to
Speaker 1: move forward, all the rest. The other thing is that,
Speaker 1: you know, in the middle of all this, the president
Speaker 1: is getting mixed signals from his own party, with some
Speaker 1: party luminaries wanting him to go, and many others and
Speaker 1: this guy buried in the news tonight, but many others
Speaker 1: even in Congress, suggesting that he ought to stay. And
Speaker 1: he needs to keep working that and keep moving that forward.
Speaker 1: He is breaking a he's breaking a big convention this
Speaker 1: week by having press interviews, including Monday night with NBC,
Speaker 1: and I expect him to keep breaking those norms over
Speaker 1: the week. But he's you know, he needs to keep
Speaker 1: you know, without respect to Trump, but he needs to
Speaker 1: keep showing that he's up to the job. And if
Speaker 1: he does that, and in part by dealing with the
Speaker 1: assassination attempt, you know that best helps him.
Speaker 2: Terry Haynes, Pangaea Policy. On that note, we're going to
Speaker 2: let you have the rest of your evening. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much for spending the evening with us, for helping
Speaker 2: us bring this down to some manageable proportions. This has
Speaker 2: been a very, very interesting and pivotal day on the
Speaker 2: campaign trail, and we thank our audience for staying with
Speaker 2: us throughout this. After former President Donald Trump says he
Speaker 2: was hit the ear during a Pennsylvania rally when a
Speaker 2: shooter opened fire. That shooter, now dead, an attendee of
Speaker 2: that rally, also killed two other people. The Secret Services
Speaker 2: have been critically injured. Donald Trump says he is and
Speaker 2: that he is ready to attend the Republican National Convention,
Speaker 2: which is set to begin on Monday. This rally, in fact,
Speaker 2: was the gear up to that convention. We are learning
Speaker 2: from the Secret Service that multiple shots were fired from
Speaker 2: an elevated position at the rally. President Biden came out
Speaker 2: with a statement saying there was no place for such
Speaker 2: violence and that he hopes to speak with Donald Trump
Speaker 2: in the near future that after he does, he will
Speaker 2: have something else to say before the American public. Much
Speaker 2: more of this still to come. You've been listening to
Speaker 2: continuing coverage of the shooting at the Trump rally in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us. I'm Amy Morris and this
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