WEBVTT - CHARLES BARKLEY: 19th HOLE 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:03.360 My guest is Charles Barkley, and we're hanging out at 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:06.320 the Nineteenth Hole. What else do you need to hear 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:10.920 about the legend in basketball and broadcasting. His passion for 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:15.160 golf is well known. You can see his swing made 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:17.120 fun of on YouTube. But the man has worked hard 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:20.400 to correct that hitch and mant is he loved golf. 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:22.959 This is the first, and we hope will be a 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:26.560 sub series of episodes called the Nineteenth Hole. I'm terrible 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:29.840 at golf, but I do love the banter and the 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:34.280 storytelling that goes along with around and especially after around, 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:36.920 and Charles here is gonna talk about playing with Tiger 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:41.879 and Michelson and Jordan's and many others. But this being Charles, 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.800 our conversation would also veer off in all sorts of 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:52.160 fun directions of course, basketball and football, fishing, hunting, TV, sports, 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:56.680 social media, and a lot more. And of course, this 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:02.880 being Charles, he is funny, thoughtful, blunt and so generous. 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:09.399 You'll enjoy this, ladies, gentlemen, Sir Charles Barkley, Well, Charles, 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.800 you talk a lot about golf, and I've heard people 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:14.440 make fun of you. Want you to know I will 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.360 never make fun of your golf game, because I really suck, 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.399 legitimately suck. But we'll get to that in a minute. 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:25.400 But how will you describe your relationship with the game 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:32.640 of golf. It is probably the most important aspect of 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:37.360 my life, because you know, Chris, it's only a few 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:42.840 things you can do that get away and relax. I mean, 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.600 because you know, like when you go to the supermarket, 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.880 people want to talk to you. When you go to 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:51.520 the draft cleaner, people want to talk to you. When 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:53.600 you go to the golf course, you're out there in 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.760 the middle of big old trees. You're playing with three 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:00.720 guys who y'all just ras at each other, And it's 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.240 one of the few things that you're life you can 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.960 do just get away from being in the limelight. And 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:08.240 I never never get tired of playing golf. Like I 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:12.000 got tired of playing basketball, but I never get tired 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:17.920 of playing golf. You use you're an example of somebody 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:22.880 who it's inspiring because you're not the most natural golfer, 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.880 you're not the most gifted golfer. You've had your moments 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:29.200 of frustration, but you show up man, and everybody says 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.920 you just are relentlessly optimistic. You always show up in 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.160 a good mood and have a good time even if 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.200 the score is not going your way. And that's very 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.920 hard to do. It's pretty rare because I got no 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.520 reason to be upset. I'm on a fIF to seven 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:47.280 year old you know, you think about this. I am listen, 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.920 you know, and I'm not one of those sentimental type 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.919 people who like, I really mean this to settle man. 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.480 I'm the lucky this dude in the world. You know. 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.160 I'm from a small town in Alabama. I grew up 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:01.600 with a single mom with three brothers, and grew up 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.760 in the projects. And I was blessed to go to 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:10.400 a great college Auburn, then sixteen years in the NBA 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.840 and now twenty years on television. I might go my 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:17.040 whole life and never work. I mean, you know, listen, 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.280 you know you've been in the business probably longer than me. 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:23.920 There's nothing like sports. I mean, we get paid to 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:29.560 watch the greatest athletes in the world perform, and I 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.079 get to watch. Going back, I got to watch the 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:36.000 great Kobe Bryant. You know, I get to watch the 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:40.400 great Lebron James, and I get paid to do it. 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:46.160 I'd watch anyway. So when I get downtime. I'm just 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.720 flapping a ball around. And first of all, I ain't 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:51.920 gonna get on on your podcast A lot to you. 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:56.680 There are some lot of bases flowing. You know, there 0:03:56.680 --> 0:04:01.240 are some cigars going, and I I am cool with that, 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.760 Like I don't worry, like what, I love to play 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:08.800 better a d But like, you know, I got this 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:13.800 joke that always used as really really funny because I said, 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.560 I said, you know, people always make fun of my 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:19.800 golf game. Yeah, but you know what they're making it 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:25.919 from at work? You know, Hey, all these people they're 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:27.720 making fun of my golf game, but you know what 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.960 they're making They're making it from work. They're the death somewhere, right, 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.080 I said, they're at the death and they're working for somebody. 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:40.200 They're gonna be there eight lousy hours. I'm up be 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.440 on the golf course for four hours with some of 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.960 my friends. And I've been blessed. One thing about being 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:49.719 in a line, Like I played with the greatest players ever. 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.520 You know, I played with Tiger a lot. I played 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.599 with Phil Milson a lot. You know, I just on 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.359 my bucket list. About a month ago I got a 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.200 chance to play with Gary Player. It was one of 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:06.720 the greatest days of my life. He's somebody I've always 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:12.279 admired and respected, and he had heard that I wanted 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.000 to meet him, and we just happened to be in 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:19.240 the same city together and the golf process. He said, yeah, 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:21.000 I heard you want to meet Mr. Player. I said, 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.040 I've always wanted to meet him. He says, well, he 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:24.800 wants to play golf with you. I said, when I 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.680 gotta be there, I said, He said tomorrow, as I'll 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:31.360 be there. I don't care what I got planning. And 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.160 you know, Chris, when you meet somebody and they're just 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.440 as awesome as you thought they were gonna be. Uh, 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.800 it was so cool for me. Uh. So, like I said, 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:42.839 I'm always on a good move, man, I ain't got 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:47.880 no reason to be upset because I have outlived all 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:52.120 my expectations. Uh, growing up in a small town in Alabama, 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.560 growing up to beat Charles Barkley and never have a 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:59.680 real job. I'm always in a good move. Your gratitude 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:01.720 is so authentic, and that's what makes it so beautiful. 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.000 But plenty of people have an outlook on life that's 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.760 healthy like that, but suddenly they shank a ball and 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:09.640 it all goes out the window. The golf course is 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:13.120 the place for some people forget how good they have it. 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.479 Play you played. There are plenty of successful people. They 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.640 got no reason to be upset about what direction of 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:21.160 white ball goes. But there's just something about the experience 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:26.160 that makes people crazy. I don't have a strong temper 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.520 in real life, but I've thrown a golf club. I 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:31.360 felt like throwing all the golf clubs in the water. 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.560 So how do you keep from, you know, losing your 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:39.920 ship out there when you know it's so many people 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.920 around you were doing it well? You know Pain Stewart, 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.120 the late great Pain Stewart saying something to me one 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.360 time at the Olympic. We're playing in Barcelona, Spain, back 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:54.840 in and I was getting mad. He says, hey, you're 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.080 not good enough to get mad. And I'm like what 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:59.800 he says, you're not good enough to get mad? He says, 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:01.960 I can get mad. I do this for a living. 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.719 You're just out here having fun. And I start thinking 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:09.240 about that, like unless it's your real job. And see 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:13.560 the one thing I love about Like, I'm not going 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.480 out in abody, I'm not going out with a random strangers, 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.240 like I'm playing with other jobs who are most of 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:21.560 the time, I'm like when I played with the pro 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:23.760 is a little bit different. But most of the time 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:28.240 I'm playing with old hassband jocks and all we talk 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.080 about is too good old days. And we always ever 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.880 said the older I get, the better I was, so 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.240 like I said, I always like, I'm playing with old 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:43.000 retired jocks and we all wanted life to to to 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:47.000 jump on Charlie heat. We won. We're winning. I mean, 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:50.120 so uh, you know, it's been like I don't go 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:53.840 crazy what I like to play better, of course, but 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.000 like you know, living in Arizona is a little bit 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:00.200 different because you have to drive a card. It's it's 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.240 it's hard to go. But when I live in Philadelphia 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.440 during the summer, that to me is the epitome of 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:11.800 what golf is. You're out there those big old trees 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:16.360 and you're like, man, this is pretty damn good. I'm 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.240 and I love to walk when I played. If you're 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:24.480 out there and you're like, wow, this is pretty awesome 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:28.240 that like all these people are working and they got 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:32.120 stressful lives and you're out here smoking cigars and drinking 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:37.200 a little bit, and you're like it's pretty cool. No. 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.680 For me, being in nature is that's my church, and 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.200 so I try to remember that. Back when I played, 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.680 I'm I'm some I retired, and nobody's asked me to 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.600 come out of retirement because that's how bad I am. 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.040 But when I was playing a little bit, I was 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.880 fully aware of the nature, the trees. I would take 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:54.760 it all in. I would try to focus on that. 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.040 If the score wouldn't go on my way, I could 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:00.880 at least tell myself, you're outside, it's a beautiful place 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:04.040 around you. Focus on that, and that would that would 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.440 sometimes get me through. I had no right to be 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.800 mad about anything, cause I have no skills in golf, 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.240 and I was able to kind of overcome my temper 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.880 by reminding myself, you're surrounded by beauty, just chilling. A 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.520 lot of people would like to be right here. Yeah, 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:23.640 but also you know I'm around because, like I said, 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.079 people said, what's the most the one thing you missed 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.679 the most about playing? I said, well, the first thing 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:30.679 he gets a check, let's do let's get that out 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:34.240 the way. The check is always good. But just being 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:41.080 around the guys, cracking jokes, giving each other ship, that's 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:44.560 the best thing about sports. The money is great. The 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:49.040 famous great. Well when you on a plane, our train 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:53.520 or a bus, whether like when we we we busted 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:57.400 d C, we busted New Jersey, we took the train 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.959 to play the Knicks. Are you you get on one 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.320 of those five hour flights when you're going from Philly 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.760 to l A and y'all are giving each other so 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:10.040 much crap. That's all you miss and the only way 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.640 to do that now, I mean, because they like we 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:16.319 can go out. Listen, you tell the guys you talk 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:20.000 to n a job. You don't play basketball once you retire. 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.760 You don't play football once you retire. You don't play 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.600 baseball once you retire. So unless you get together with 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.960 the guys and play golf, or you happen to be 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.360 in the same city, which doesn't happen that often because 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.080 very few people live in the city they played in. 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.240 That a lot of them go back home where they 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.200 grew up to be around family in France when they retire. 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.240 So when you but the only time you get to 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:48.800 give each other a lot of ship and have a 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.720 blast is when you're on the golf course. That's a 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.720 part of it. I mean, you know, you can give 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:57.520 the ship for the best seven. I know you can 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:59.640 take it. You don't have a glass jaw, or you 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.480 to tired a long time ago. Right, So when these 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.960 guys are going at you, did anybody ever get in 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.120 your head and actually just do what they were trying 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:09.960 to do, which is totally take you out of it 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.160 and your game falls apart? Or or you always been 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:17.080 resilient when the when the ship starts flying. No, you 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:21.079 gotta be resilient. Listen. It has nothing to do with golf. 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.640 To be honest with you. If you play on the 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:31.400 team every day is warfare the locker room every day. 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.040 I mean you think about it. You see, I tell 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:35.400 you if you see these guys, when you see your family, 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.319 I mean you see these guys. I tell people in 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:42.000 the NBA, you know, you practice every day or you're 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:47.400 on a plane, train or bus, and all you do 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.880 is give each other hard time. When you see people 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.040 at their best and at their worst, right, you're you're 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.320 you're running the whole spectrum with these guys. You're living 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.640 the highs and the lows, and you know all their 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:01.520 weaknesses and you know what what what their great points are? Yeah, 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:05.600 and you know you know what gets their go. Uh, 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.360 and listen and a lot of times, you know when 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:12.520 you have when somebody has had a bad game, it's 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:16.560 up to you guys to pump them up. That's actually 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.080 what all the laughing and the joking like. First of all, 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.360 if you win, it's an easy train or playing or 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.240 you know whatever. But when you play like Ship or 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:30.959 a player played like Ship, that's what your brothers are far. 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.400 I mean that, like, that's what like if a guy 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.480 is sitting back and low, no, no, you can't sit 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:40.760 back to a by yourself. We lost as a team, No, 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.040 you're not gonna sit back and you had a bad game. 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.880 No no, So so that to me, it's the essence 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.560 of sports. Yeah, everybody loves you and pat you on 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.320 the back when things are going good, I don't need 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:57.520 friends and teammates then. But when I have a shitty game, 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.280 that's what I mean because I already feel bad because 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.440 you let the guys down. But that's when I really 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:09.520 need those guys like yo. And that's the number one 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.079 thing I learned from Dr Jay. He's like Charles, when 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.440 you're the star on the team, you got to keep 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:19.280 everybody up. He says. Your job. Your job ain't just 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:22.559 to go out there and play great. He said, that's 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:27.199 your first responsibility to pay great, But your second responsibility 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:29.680 is to make sure number one of those other guys 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:35.480 feel important because unfortunately, you get all the credit and 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.719 you get all the blames. So when you're getting all 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:42.600 the credit, you really have to make those guys let 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:46.840 them know you appreciate them. Because listen, there's always a 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:50.520 little bit of jealousy. Uh. They like, Charles get all 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.880 the credit. Dr Jay get all the credit. Charles gets 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.640 all the money. Dr Jay gets all the money. It's 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.839 like a guy who plays with Lebron when he played 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.600 in Cleveland, they're like, man, everybody talks about Lebron all 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.440 the time. So it's a double ledged sword. You have 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.520 to really go out of your way to make sure 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.520 those guys feel a part of you. Well, I know, 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:12.240 when you're on the golf course, you do that because 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.440 you're considered the most fun guy to play with. But 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.040 are you saying all this team sport crap that you 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.800 took makes you totally immune in your current sport, Like 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.560 there's nothing anybody can say when you're lining up a 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:25.600 tea shot or it's a big money put, or it's 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.400 coming down to it. There's nothing that anybody can say 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.720 that's gonna take you out of your enjoyment or rock 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:34.320 your world or affect your game at this point. No, 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:38.080 but some of the greatest lines I've ever heard. Or 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.400 on the golf course, you know, one of the guys, 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.320 this over guy hits the shot, he hits the skinny. 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.880 He said, Oh, that's like chuck skinny. Then everybody in 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:50.640 the group lab or you're playing with a guy he 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.320 is a really, really fat and you said something, oh, 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:56.960 just like your wife, he's fat. I mean, I mean 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:00.160 the way we ride each other and if you get 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.960 the ball, if you dribble it off the t I mean, 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.080 it's so much stuff like after the first of all, 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.720 I can't like most of the stuff we can't even say. 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.960 I mean, people are so politically correct nowadays. I mean, 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:17.360 that's really unfortunate, you know, in a way because I'm 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.120 a firm believer in which it don't matter what I believe, 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.880 it's just the way it works now. I think intent matters. 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:28.360 I do. I think intent matters, But unfortunately in our 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:32.960 business today, intent don't matter. Like there's stuff that I 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.880 would listen, there's no doubt in my mind if we 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.320 put a microphone in the locker room, everybody will be suspended. 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:46.080 The fire all the time. But unfortunately, uh, time to 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.360 change and stuff that you say in the locker room 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:54.720 that used to be funny or used to be a joke, Like, man, 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.840 you're gonna get fired or suspended if you said today. 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.200 And like I said, I'm that's sure. That's always a 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:06.600 good thing because you should listen. Uh, you should be 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.440 able to have fun. But nowadays, man, you have to 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:13.520 be really careful what you say because time to change, 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:15.640 and I don't think it's for the better. Well, the 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.960 context is hard to explain, that to the fact that 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:19.760 people don't wan here about the context. But what you're 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.920 saying is in the golf course, it's an oasis from 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.440 all that what happens out there. It's kind of like 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.720 a safe haven. You can be non politically correct, you 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.040 can break anybody's balls in any kind of way, and 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:35.960 it's it's understood that in that environment that's okay, and 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.520 that's why you get and that's why you have to 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.680 be careful who you play with. Ye yeah, you have 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:43.760 to be really careful. If you ever at the end 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:45.960 of a rounders you ever say wait, some stuff just 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.280 happened out there over the last four hours. I don't 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.560 know if I want that stuff shared, I better go 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.640 tell him. Listen, all this was off the record. You understand, 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.880 no nost of I'm not playing with no reporters. I'm 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.520 only planned with my friends. I don't mean reporters, but 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.040 I mean off the I mean off the record in 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.080 terms they don't they don't want to share that story. 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.760 And you've heard that saying before, because I've had friends 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.720 of mine got screwed. They're like, well, I told the 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:14.720 guy that was off the record. I'm like, na, man, 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:18.520 it doesn't work like that. And unfortunately, in this society 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:23.359 we live in today, so many people or reporters are 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:29.440 trying to get clickbaited. There's nothing that's off record now. 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:34.879 I mean, times have changed so much. And listen, you know, 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:38.480 I don't believe in doing social media. I think it's 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.560 one of the worst things that ever happened to the world, 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.840 because I think it gives everybody the right, you know, 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:48.359 because the one thing that bothers me. Sports are the 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:52.800 only job in the whole world. Do we let every 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:57.800 jackass in the world have an opinion? I mean, sports, 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.199 think about it sports. You can call it to a 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:04.719 radio show right now anywhere in the country and you 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.840 can listen, no no disrespect. You can be a nurse, 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:12.680 a plumber, electrician, a lawyer, or anybody and you get 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:17.320 to say Lamar Jackson sucks. You get to say Nick 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:21.040 Foles sucks or chalks Barkla, Chris Foler sucks. There's no 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.960 other job in the world that we give you that 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:30.280 platform divorce your opinion only in sports. That's how crazy 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:33.399 this whole thing is. There's no other You can't call 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:36.359 to the doctor's office and say, hey, I wanted to 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.679 talk to the doctor he sucked, and put it on 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:42.159 the internet or calling to a radio show. That's the 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.480 most interesting aspect of sports to me. But you don't 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.159 seem to bother by people saying that up about you 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.280 because you have put yourself out there. You put yourself 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:55.440 out there period talking about heavy issues, talking about basketball, 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.240 but even putting yourself on the golf course where you 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:00.520 know that you don't have a classics swinging in a 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:02.679 classic game and people are gonna make fun of you, 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.320 and you you just you could care less like what 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.000 anybody says or thinks about you, which I think is 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.600 what's what draws a lot of people to you. Well, 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:16.080 you know, because you never give them foods that power. Okay, 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.880 you don't like me, that's fine. I'm not gonna give 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.879 you a platform where I do social media and gonna 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:26.920 read about it. Anybody who thinks everybody liked them, it's 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:30.320 just an idiot. And it's so funny. You know. I've 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.399 known guys like yourself, I know, I mean, can we 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.320 all travel in the same circles? And I got friends 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:40.360 in the business going back to Burn and Gary. Uh, 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.680 you know, guys like that. I've had dinner with them 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:45.120 and Joe Buck and guys like that. And you're telling 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:49.679 me like people actually think we care who wins. Like 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:53.320 when I'm in Alabama, they're like, I hate Gary and 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.400 Vern I'm like, why do you Gary? N there? I said, 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.320 there two of the nicest guys in the world. First 0:19:58.320 --> 0:19:59.800 of all, if you don't like Burn, you've got something 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:03.520 wrong on with you. Uh. I feel like, well, they 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:07.240 hate Alabama and Auburn. I said, really, really, are you serious? 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.800 That's just you guys are just idiots. That's just I 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:15.360 know Verne pretty well. I don't know Gary that well. 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:17.680 But they're two great guys. But let me tell you something. 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:21.320 They don't care who wins. Nobody cares who wins, but 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:24.040 fans think that because they hear what they want to hear. 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:27.479 It's like Ernie was doing baseball one year and I 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:32.080 went to the playoffs and people in in um in Philly, 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:36.280 uh booing Ernie. I'm like, what they're doing, Arnie. They're like, 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:38.320 they think you don't like the Phillis. That's just first 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.440 of all, if you brewing Ernie Johnson, you're just an asshole. 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:43.159 That's Ernie Johnson is the nicest person in the world. 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:47.320 But this notion that Ernie cares who wins, so you 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:49.359 have to learn this. You go like, man, I don't 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:51.800 care who wins the game. You know what I want. 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:53.280 I want the season to be able so I can 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:56.520 get to my vacation. That's what I want more than anything. 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:59.560 I want to cease to be over. Erniest. Go ask 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.240 me who's gonna win. I have to pick somebody, but 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.680 I don't care who wins. But it always makes me laugh, 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:08.639 like people care that now they think like, well, that 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:12.320 guy doesn't like my team, that guy doesn't like my school. 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:17.240 I'm like, God, please stop, please stop. Nobody like cares 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:21.120 who wins these events. So I kind of figured that, like, okay, 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:23.200 if you don't like my nuts, and that's fine, I 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.400 kinda get into what I'm trying to defend myself. I've 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:30.119 had this confedsation with Joe Buck, who's fantastic. I'm like, 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.680 you know, He's like, what do you do? Do you do? You? 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.040 You're one of the best to ever do it. This 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:39.760 notion that you care who wins, it's just Athanine. You're 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:43.760 just doing your job for fans. They like, oh I 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:47.360 hear this. No, no, he didn't say that, but that's 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:49.880 what you want to hear. You know, we we talked 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.040 about this because you share all of the college football 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:55.040 The passion of the fans is one of the engines 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:58.639 that makes this thing work. So I understand they view 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:00.720 it through a lens. I understand they're gonna hear what 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:03.240 they want to hear, and that their opinion is gonna 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:05.399 be colored by that. And they think everybody's biased. You 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:08.119 do a game, you got fans from both sides, and 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:10.960 you were obviously biased against US. I could hear it 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:13.840 other team fans say the same thing. You know you're 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:15.479 doing a good job when you're when you're doing that. 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:18.000 But I, yeah, that's that's not something you can worry about. 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:21.760 And I yeah because I've actually I go to the 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:25.320 Iron Bowl every year, my favorite sport, an event other 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:28.840 than the Olympics. And I can see be sitting with 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:33.000 Alabama and arburn fans and they both said those announcements 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:36.520