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Speaker 1: What is going on? Everyone? Welcome to Free and Out

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Speaker 1: with your boy. John Middlecoff back at you again on

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Speaker 1: a Wednesday. How's everyone doing? Coming at you live from

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Speaker 1: the Colin Coward Podcast Network. Uh, if you haven't yet subscribe,

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Speaker 1: the review section, we will get to it. The draft

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Speaker 1: is right around the corner. It's March. The drafts on April,

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Speaker 1: less than a month away. Got a big show for

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Speaker 1: you today. We'll talk a little about Wonderlock scores, Odell

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Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. On the trade Block, some stuff with how

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Speaker 1: NFL teams deal with young quarterbacks and their development, and

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Speaker 1: just a thing that I believe in, and Sean McVeigh

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Speaker 1: and his new super team and it's a thirty two

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Speaker 1: year old equiped to handle it. I had some thoughts

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Speaker 1: and opinions on that bad boy. But let's start with

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Speaker 1: Wonderlick scores and specifically with the quarterback. UH. For those

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Speaker 1: of you don't know if you're if you're listening this,

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Speaker 1: you probably have some idea Wonderlok score. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: like a basic I wouldn't even say s a T test,

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Speaker 1: just kind of a basic test. UH. That is scored

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Speaker 1: out of fifty that every draft prospect takes. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of like every draft prospect runs the forty and then

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Speaker 1: you can compare and contrast scores from previous years too.

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Speaker 1: Now it's just a way to kind of get it

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Speaker 1: one standardized test and score system so you have everyone down.

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Speaker 1: And as we talked about it the most because really,

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Speaker 1: comes to quarterbacks, when someone says, why does that matter,

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Speaker 1: and my response is always everything matters when it comes

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Speaker 1: to quarterbacks. Guys the face of your franchise. He is

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Speaker 1: your franchise. If he hit, if he becomes a good player,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna become the most expensive player on your franchise.

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Speaker 1: When talking about quarterbacks, it's why even the top prospects

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Speaker 1: gets so nitpicked because again, everything matters. Well, I don't

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Speaker 1: think these are out yet, so if you're listening, you'll

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Speaker 1: get this information for the first time right here on

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Speaker 1: three and Out podcast. Uh the Wonderlock scores for the

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Speaker 1: top quarterbacks and the top four the guys that I

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Speaker 1: UH did really well. Josh Rosen scored of twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald scored twenty eight. Josh Allen, super smart, scored

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Speaker 1: a thirty seven. Baker Mayfield scored a twenty five. Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson not that well, did a thirteen. We'll get to

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Speaker 1: him in a minute. But to compare a little bit,

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz scored a forty, Jamis Winston, Marcus Mariotta thirty three,

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Speaker 1: Jerry Gott thirty six. To be anything above twenty two

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Speaker 1: twenty five for a quarterback is more than enough. Anything

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Speaker 1: over thirties fantastic. The top guys are all really smart.

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Speaker 1: I've been saying from day one. I'm a big Josh

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Speaker 1: He is a very, very intelligent guy. I am not

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Speaker 1: a big Josh Allen guy. It's not because he's not

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Speaker 1: in tel legend. I'm watching him some of these interviews.

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Speaker 1: He's really sharp. Wonder look score three seven. He is

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Speaker 1: a smart guy. I just can't get over his inaccuracies.

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield more than high enough. My issue with Baker

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Speaker 1: is more emotional intelligence and some of his physical skills.

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Speaker 1: Being six ft tall. Does that translate the history of

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Speaker 1: the league. There's only been really in the last twenty years.

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Speaker 1: How many good six ft quarterbacks have there been to

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Speaker 1: come to my mind, Drew Brees and Russell Wilson. So

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Speaker 1: he he is fighting, he is fighting to become an outlier,

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Speaker 1: Johnny Menzel. And as you see with his twenty five,

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Speaker 1: the Wonderlock test, I just actually looked up Johnny Manziel

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Speaker 1: Because when you play receiver, when you play running back,

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Speaker 1: red flags on his ability going in? Yes. And it's

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Speaker 1: But that number, whatever that number was five teams in

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Speaker 1: with this score alone that that number doubles, if not triples. Now,

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Speaker 1: years to do. I went to cal Poly UH. NFL fans,

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Speaker 1: NFL with young quarterbacks used to be, you would read

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Speaker 1: me thinking about this by Andy ben Wah of The

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Speaker 1: Monday Morning Quarterback. He said, over the last twelve drafts,

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Speaker 1: zero quarterbacks have gone in the first round, have sat

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Speaker 1: that is not a player away Odell Beckham doesn't make

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Speaker 1: any sense because on top of that, like, not only

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Speaker 1: do I get let's say Quentin Nelson guard from Notre Dame,

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Speaker 1: do I get for five million dollars a year? I

430
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Speaker 1: get under team control cost control for at minimum four

431
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: years until that fifth year option, which might be pretty high.

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Speaker 1: And usually by then you extend him like the money

433
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 1: matters in the NFL. And I got someone else, I'll

434
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: give you another proposed trade I got on Twitter. A

435
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: Marie Cooper kind of had a down year last year.

436
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 1: Should the Raiders trade, for example, like a Marie Cooper

437
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: and a second round pick for Odell Beckham Jr. Well, again,

438
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Speaker 1: in a vacuum, Odell Beckham Jr. Is a better player

439
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: than a Marie Cooper that There's no debate. Honestly, if

440
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm always gonna play, it ain't close. Now. I think

441
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: a Mario bounce back, and I think maris pretty good player.

442
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: I think he is. He's a Pro Bowl level player.

443
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham is an All Pro Hall of Fame level player.

444
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: But the Raiders, for example, and we'll talk about the

445
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: Rams here coming up in a minute, have to pay

446
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack. Like when you draft good players, eventually it

447
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: comes to ruth that you have to pay them. Well,

448
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack. Mike Evans just got fifty five million dollars,

449
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald hasn't signed yet. Aaron Donald and Khalil Mack.

450
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Speaker 1: You're looking at that Mike Evans contract and going, Okay,

451
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: let's see what O'Dell gets. O'Dell is gonna get seventy Okay,

452
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna get about eighty guaranteed, averaging about twenty one

453
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Speaker 1: two million dollars a year. The Raiders do not have

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Speaker 1: the salary cap space. Mark Cooper doesn't have to be

455
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Speaker 1: paid right now. He's on a rookie contract making six

456
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: seven million dollars. O'Dell has to get paid eighteen million

457
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: right now on top of Khalil Mack. Do you have

458
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Speaker 1: to pay that is your own guy, Like, that's part

459
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: of the deal. It's part of the NFL. So I

460
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Speaker 1: would not do that. Like part of the good part

461
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: about when you hit on draft picks on separate years.

462
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: Is there not all on the same timetable? Like I

463
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: like having a guy on his second year and a

464
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Speaker 1: guy in his fifth year. So if you have to

465
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Speaker 1: pay the guy in his fifth year, you're still a

466
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Speaker 1: couple of years away from paying the guy in a

467
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Speaker 1: second year or a third year. Like that's the way

468
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Speaker 1: that you keep the turnover and the salary cap, you know,

469
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Speaker 1: in a good spot. Odell Beckham Jr. If he was

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Speaker 1: a second year player under a rookie contract, even if

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Speaker 1: it was you know, he was draft in the first round,

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Speaker 1: he would be pretty easy to trade for a first

473
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Speaker 1: round pick. I think the part of the problem why

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Speaker 1: this is difficult to trade for him and why you're

475
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Speaker 1: not seeing NFL teams just knocking down the door to

476
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Speaker 1: get him is because of that contract that he's gonna

477
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Speaker 1: ask for and demand, and rightfully so he's got a

478
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Speaker 1: good argument. He's also coming back from a major injury

479
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Speaker 1: at a position that's very predicated, and just his ability

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Speaker 1: and his skill set on explosion, on just top end speed,

481
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: on just special athleticism. Well, he broke his foot or ankle,

482
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: I mean that's a big issue. Now I'm just followed

483
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: on social media. He looks healthy, he's young, He'll probably

484
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: be fine. But the still the point remains is Odell

485
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Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. Since I've been watching football. Uh, if you

486
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Speaker 1: go the Giants best players the last thirty years, obviously

487
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Speaker 1: LT is the best player ever. Uh, then you probably

488
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Speaker 1: go Michael Strahan. You know, Eli Manning had a couple

489
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Speaker 1: of unreal postseason runs. But Odell Beckham probably just from

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Speaker 1: a talent standpoint, would probably be three, you know, behind

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Speaker 1: LT and Michael Strahan. You know, he's that So if

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Speaker 1: they are willing to trade him, which clearly they are, Uh,

493
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: that's a pretty big red flag for me. Same deal

494
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Speaker 1: as we talked about Marcus Peters. And again we'll get

495
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: into the Rams here in a second. When Andy Reid,

496
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Speaker 1: who drafted this player, is willing to trade them, I

497
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: kind of question now the difference here is and if

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Speaker 1: you're doing the pro trade for Odell, argument is I

499
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: think Dave Gettelman is an old stiff. He struggled to

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Speaker 1: handle this in Carolina with Josh Norman. He's not a

501
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: big personality guy. In terms of his players. I think

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00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman he might be a solid personnelity evaluator I,

503
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: by no means would want him running my personnel department

504
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: and picking what personalities he wants or does not want,

505
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: Like in a perfect world he'd want twenty two Luke

506
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: Keekley's guess what Gettleman twenty two? Luke Keekley's don't exist.

507
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta deal with Odell Beckham Jr. Like deal

508
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: with it, guys, figure it out. Like part of being

509
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: a good coach or a good general manager is not

510
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: just getting rid of every good player that you inherit

511
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: just because the team struggled and they did last year,

512
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: O'Dell missed twelve of the games, Like it wasn't O'Dell

513
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: doesn't have that much blood on a stands from last

514
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: season like ELI has most of it. Obviously, McAdoo does

515
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: fired a lot, generic Jenks, a lot of other players

516
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 1: in the franchise. It's not all Odell. But again, I

517
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: I think it even starts even higher. It's an ownership deal.

518
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: I think he makes them uncomfortable, And I think the

519
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: ultimate level of uncomfortablelity for them is, are we gonna

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00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: pay this guy the highest contract we've ever given Beside

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00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: you know, maybe some cash they've given to Eli. But

522
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Speaker 1: really the highest guarantees will ever have given a player

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00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: in the history of our franchise to this guy, can

524
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: we trust them? And again I always say this, everything

525
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: matters in life. So did that picture with the potential?

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00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: It might have been cocaine, might not been. It might

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Speaker 1: have been a crust in his hand, It might have

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00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: been a blunt. I don't know. With the model and

529
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: the pizza, is it that big of a deal. No,

530
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: But it's just one thing after another when you're gonna

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Speaker 1: pay a guy an astronomical amount of money, like when

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00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: you look at the other two guys in his draft

533
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: class that are gonna get broken off. The Rams have

534
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: no issues with Aaron Donald. The Raiders have no issues

535
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: with Khalil Mac because they don't ever have to deal

536
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: with that because you know why they check on social

537
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: media and what are those guys doing working out? You

538
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: know what are those guys doing at home watching TV?

539
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: That they're never screwing around? So they're not gonna now

540
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: they hesitate because it's gonna cost them much and it's

541
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: just hard to pay that much to any player, But

542
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: you're not worried about, like you go to bed at

543
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: night feeling good about having them on your team. I

544
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: think you get nervous with Odell Beckham Jr. On your team,

545
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: and rightfully so. So I'm not shocked at all. The

546
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: other thirty one teams aren't a little nervous because they

547
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: again they know the moment they trade, which it would

548
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: cost a lot, probably a first round pick. How many

549
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: teams in the league are a first round pick away

550
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: or a player away? Like, yeah, the New England could

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Speaker 1: do it. To me, New England makes some sense, but

552
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: Belichick wouldn't want to pay a player that much money,

553
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: so it doesn't make that much sense. The Steelers, they

554
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: already have a star wide receiver Jacksonville. You know, does

555
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: he even make that much sense? With Blake Portles, Like

556
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: maybe a team that's a player away. To me, John

557
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: Schneider three or four years ago, with that Seattle team

558
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: would do it. Well, he's not equipped to do it anymore.

559
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: They're really just aren't that many teams that even makes sense.

560
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: Like John Elway a couple of years ago would do

561
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: something like this. His team is you know, eight players

562
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: a not one. John Lynch in the four Donors, they're aggressive,

563
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: but this doesn't make any sense. They're not a player

564
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: away and they have the money. Same with Cleveland, but

565
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: why would you put that much money? And the guy

566
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: is a star player. But when you're that far away,

567
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a lot harder trade O'Dell

568
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Speaker 1: Beckham than people think. Let's end on this. I'm a millennial.

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Speaker 1: I uh, I root for millennials. I often think when

570
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: I when I read stories like how do you relate

571
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Speaker 1: to the millennials after just shake my head because I

572
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: truly believe this. You either relate to people or you

573
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: don't relate to people. You know, there there are seven

574
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Speaker 1: year olds that get people. There's a so far every

575
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Speaker 1: game that Michigan wins in the n C Double A Tournament,

576
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Speaker 1: they do like a big water celebration where they dump

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Speaker 1: water on everyone. John Blin, the head coach, this sixty

578
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Speaker 1: five years old, looks like he's a twenty year old

579
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Speaker 1: kid with everyone. He just gets people. Say what you

580
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: want about Belichick, he clearly related pretty well with the

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Speaker 1: player in the seventies, in the eighties, in the nineties.

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Speaker 1: Now he's got a pretty good feel for it. I

583
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: remember a couple of years ago, I was watching a

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Speaker 1: t NT game back when Brian Shaw was the head

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00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 1: coach of the Denver Nuggets, And they went to a

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Speaker 1: sideline report reporter who Rachel Nichols at the time was

587
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: working for t n T and she was doing sidelines

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00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: and read a story. Did Brian Shaw, who I'm pretty

589
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: sure he's probably like in his early forties, was reading

590
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: a book on how to relate to millennials. I said, yeah,

591
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: he's screwed. He's got no chance. You either get players

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00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: or you don't. Uh. And age really is no factor.

593
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: But to me, the age does come into play when

594
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: you have experiences when you're when you're younger and you

595
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 1: haven't been through them, and there are just things you

596
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: can't rely on that you've been through earlier in your

597
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: career whatever you're doing. And you see a lot with coaches. Uh,

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00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: you know, I was lucky enough worked around Andy Reid.

599
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: He's seen at all. So they're definitely in Kansas City.

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00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: There is no situation that he hasn't come across in

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00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: his Basically, what was he in Philadelphia fifteen years as

602
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: a head coach? Fifteen years as a head coach. So

603
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: every decision he makes, whether it's suspending Marcus Peters for

604
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: a game, he has experienced doing something of the sort

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00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: you know. I mean he suspended toorell Owans send him

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00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: home from training camp. It's the one thing that I

607
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: questioned about this quote unquote super team that they're putting

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00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: together in l A. The l A. Rams just signed

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Speaker 1: a Dominican Sioux who's fourteen million dollars. Not like he

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00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: came cheap. He didn't take a discount. I know everyone

611
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: on Twitter is like, god, the Dominican turned down money?

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Speaker 1: Did he really? He got one year fourteen million. He's

613
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Speaker 1: gonna be a free agent again next year. That if

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00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: he just plays solid, which I don't see how he

615
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: doesn't just be good, he's gonna be next to Aaron

616
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: Donald and just a really good defense. He's gonna get

617
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: broken off. Well, he's got the super team now, the

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00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: Dominican Sioux that's had his issues with a franchise or two.

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Speaker 1: Keep delete it's buttet heads with some people over the years.

620
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: Marcus Peters that the Kanda chiefs were just willing to

621
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Speaker 1: pay and there's just gonna be a ton of press.

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Speaker 1: And then they also have a guy which I would

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00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: assume gets paid here relatively soon in Aaron Donald that's

624
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: was edgy last year, held out because he hadn't been

625
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: paid that that'll probably be taken care of soon. But

626
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: there are beside, probably the New England Patriots, maybe the

627
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't know if there's gonna be a

628
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: team in the NFL with the expectations that the l

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Speaker 1: A Rams are gonna have the pressure, uh, just the

630
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: spotlight of being in l A. And we've also seen this.

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Speaker 1: We haven't seen this. Excuse me, is there haven't been

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00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: a you know before these two teams moved. It was

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00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: last year the first year. It feels like they've been

634
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: there a couple of year. Yeah, I think last year

635
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: was the first year there hadn't been there in twenty

636
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: plus years. Obviously, the world's changed l A. I mean

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00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: it's a different world now. I mean l A eight

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Speaker 1: year typical. This ain't Jacksonville. You know, this is not Houston.

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Speaker 1: This is not a super team in Minnesota. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is Los Angeles. There's a lot of ship to do.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have a listen. I think Sean McVeigh is

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Speaker 1: a brilliant offensive play caller as a true head coach,

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Speaker 1: he really, you know, he's not Andy Reid, Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll. When the defense is on the field, he

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Speaker 1: sits on a water cooler and goes over offensive place

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Speaker 1: because he is the offensive coordinator. Like I watched Kyle

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Speaker 1: Shanahan last year. He when the defense was on the field,

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Speaker 1: he's just standing next to his defensive coordinator like he

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Speaker 1: acts like a head coach Sean McVeigh now, and I'm not.

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Speaker 1: At first, I was really turned off by that move.

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Speaker 1: Then as the season went on, I realized that's just

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Speaker 1: what he has to do. He has a seasoned, an

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Speaker 1: old I mean seventy plus year old Wade Phillips who's

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Speaker 1: actually blocked me on Twitter running his defense. I get it,

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Speaker 1: But ultimately, you're the head coach. So when ship hits

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Speaker 1: the fan, everyone looks at you. They don't look at

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Speaker 1: Wade Phillips, they don't look at Jared Goff. They look

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Speaker 1: at the head coach and defensive and players in general.

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Speaker 1: They know when you're paying attention or when you're not

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Speaker 1: paying attention. And if you give them an inch, they'll

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Speaker 1: take five inches and then all of a sudden, it

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Speaker 1: becomes a foot, and then it becomes ten feet, and

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Speaker 1: they'll just keep pushing and pushing and pushing and The

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Speaker 1: one thing with Sean McVeigh and less Need is the

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Speaker 1: guy just the riverboat gambler acquiring all these players and

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Speaker 1: they've been lucky. The best players on their team, Aaron

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Speaker 1: Donald hasn't been paid yet. Todd Gurley is a year away.

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Speaker 1: Their star quarterback, I don't know, a star might be strong.

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Speaker 1: They're good. Young quarterback is a couple of years away

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Speaker 1: from getting paid. So it's kind of working out. They

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Speaker 1: really they've gotten rid of franchise dbs, so they've had

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Speaker 1: just a unique financial situation. I do think this year

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Speaker 1: is gonna be really hard because if they go through

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Speaker 1: a two game losing streak, like if you just start

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Speaker 1: instead of starting three and one, you start two and two.

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Speaker 1: The pressure in the NFL that snowballs so quickly when

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Speaker 1: you have I mean they are They went from being yeah,

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Speaker 1: they got to make the playoffs this year to anything

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Speaker 1: less to me than like being in the NFC Championship

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Speaker 1: game will feel like a royal failure. I saw it

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Speaker 1: this year with the Raiders. They had made the playoffs

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Speaker 1: the previous year. It wasn't just like Okay, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: make them. They're gonna be a wild card type team.

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Speaker 1: It's like they're gonna go twelve and four, thirteen and three,

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna be in the championship game minimum against

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Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. Like if the Rams, everyone's thinking

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Speaker 1: right now around the NFL, I mean the Rams, they're

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Speaker 1: a twelve thirteen win team. Well we see it all

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Speaker 1: the time, man, that you can go. The difference between

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Speaker 1: a twelve win team and an eight or nine win

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Speaker 1: team is a couple of plays. And the pressure that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be on this young coach thirty two years old.

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Speaker 1: Think about that, thirty two years old dealing with all

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Speaker 1: these personalities. I think it Keep to Leave is like

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Speaker 1: the same age Marcus Peters. Clearly is a tough personality

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Speaker 1: that Andy Reid has been coaching, been a head coach

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Speaker 1: of the league almost twin of years, has dealt with

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Speaker 1: every single type of personality. Couldn't even handle him. And Andy,

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Speaker 1: like Sean is an offensive coach, so it's not like

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Speaker 1: he's even coached him every day, just said now I'm out.

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Speaker 1: Keep to Leave is no walk in the park. And

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Speaker 1: the Dominican sue like, is Sean lightening him up when

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Speaker 1: he starts freelancing and doing his own thing? Because obviously

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Speaker 1: Wade will be on them, but ultimately Wade's not the

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Speaker 1: head coach. I think there's gonna be a pressure on

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Speaker 1: this guy, uh that we haven't seen in a long time.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna be easy. Everyone's just chalking them up

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Speaker 1: for all these wins. To me, it's gonna be tough

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Speaker 1: because two, it's two fold, like I said, the pressure

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Speaker 1: on the young coach that's gonna have to do things

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Speaker 1: that he's never experienced before, and it's gonna have situations

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Speaker 1: arise that he's never handled. It's just it's inevitable, especially

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Speaker 1: with this group of players. On top of that, the

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Speaker 1: Rams are no longer this story that no one saw

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Speaker 1: coming then all of a sudden as a playoff team,

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Speaker 1: they're a team now, especially with these players and everyone

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Speaker 1: annointing this young head coaches like the next Bill Walsh.

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Speaker 1: People are coming gunning for you. People are gonna try

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Speaker 1: to take you out every team you play against as

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Speaker 1: you circled like you are now a big deal on

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Speaker 1: the schedule. So I think will it work. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying it won't work, but I think it is gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot more difficult than most people are saying.

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Speaker 1: That this is gonna be this easy transition, a bunch

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Speaker 1: of wins, easy NFC West, you know, run away with

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Speaker 1: the NFC West and be the number one or two. See.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't go that fast, that quickly and feel that

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Speaker 1: confident about that statement, because I think it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: tough for this guy thirty two years old, a ton

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Speaker 1: of pressure, a ton of personalities. Last year was easy.

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Speaker 1: Now the heat's on for the Rams. Well that'll do it.

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Speaker 1: I think this is episode number five. Appreciate everyone listening. Uh,

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Speaker 1: go to iTunes, subscribe, rate, leave a question in the

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Speaker 1: review section. The drafts right around the corner. I'll get

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Speaker 1: to your questions on upcoming episodes. Thanks a lot for

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Speaker 1: making three and out a big deal this. John Middlecoff

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