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Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey, look, yes, I was like I always
Speaker 2: forget our damn sorry y'all. Hey, hey, hey, we're back.
Speaker 3: We're black, We're.
Speaker 2: Brown, ambition, ambition, ambition, ambition, ambition, we're extra black brown
Speaker 2: today and stew we have a guest today. Her name
Speaker 2: is Robinson. Let me read you a little taste about
Speaker 2: miss Lacy. First of all, she is an educator like myself,
Speaker 2: so you already now it's on like Donkey Kong. Lacey
Speaker 2: is the president and CEO of Unbounded, which is an
Speaker 2: education organization that offers standardize that offers standards aligned resources
Speaker 2: and immersive professional learning for teachers and leaders seeking seeking equity.
Speaker 2: She has over twenty years of experience and education and
Speaker 2: focuses on helping educators in school systems disrupt systemic racism
Speaker 2: and its legacies.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, and she's the author of a new book. See
Speaker 2: if y'all watch me on YouTube, like I'll be telling
Speaker 2: y'all can see the book. It's beautiful yellow. It is
Speaker 2: called Justice Seekers, Pursuing Equity in the Details of Teaching
Speaker 2: and Learning. As we both got our books out, you know,
Speaker 2: you know black goes so good with yellow.
Speaker 3: You see, look at that looks so that's blue.
Speaker 2: So welcome to the podcast, Lacey. You so excited. How
Speaker 2: I met Lacey? She just dope, I'm not gonna tell
Speaker 2: all your business, girl, but just to meet adult black
Speaker 2: woman on social media, like we should connect, and then
Speaker 2: we literally did. It was just on something like hey girl, hey,
Speaker 2: and then we spoke for three hours.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I told somebody.
Speaker 4: I was like, if that had been a first date,
Speaker 4: that would.
Speaker 3: Have been a perfect first date, like like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I'm met my spirit I'm at my spirit person and
Speaker 3: I've never seen her in person.
Speaker 2: But yes, it was Honestly, it was awesome. We just
Speaker 2: like you know, some people you just connect with, Like
Speaker 2: that's what it was. We got connected on social media,
Speaker 2: had a phone call that I thought it'd be like, oh,
Speaker 2: twenty thirty minutes. No, Like I told the lady to
Speaker 2: walk with me. I walk, we talk, we cried, we laughed, chat.
Speaker 2: This is about BSF now. And so when I saw
Speaker 2: that she had a book coming out, I was like, Hello,
Speaker 2: come on the podcast. Hello, let's promote this book. You know.
Speaker 2: But honestly, so much your story is so interesting, Lacy,
Speaker 2: because so many of our listeners have like pivot stories,
Speaker 2: you know. So I would love for you to kind
Speaker 2: of share how because one y'all might not be familiar
Speaker 2: with Unbounded. But it's not a small nonprofit, you know.
Speaker 2: They got a big budge, right lady. Sixty million?
Speaker 3: Oh shoot, we are we are our way there. I'd
Speaker 3: say close to forty forty three, you.
Speaker 2: Know, forty million, you know, now something like we have.
Speaker 3: We have a for profit and nonprofit side, and my
Speaker 3: goal is one hundred million. You know, I mean dream right,
Speaker 3: but I mean into reality. So and I have we
Speaker 3: we're about one hundred and ten employees across the United States,
Speaker 3: and so we do three national convenience I have the
Speaker 3: next final Convenient that's happening this season in DC next week.
Speaker 3: Last month, in June, we had our Standards Institute Convenient,
Speaker 3: where almost two thousand educators from across the United States
Speaker 3: got together and for an entire week and did what
Speaker 3: we call made their brain sweat around standards, aligned curriculum,
Speaker 3: and the equity that is essential to close the opportunity
Speaker 3: gap here in the United States. So just excited and
Speaker 3: feel really blessed to lead this organization.
Speaker 2: So I love that. So how but you didn't always?
Speaker 2: Obviously no one starts off as a president and CEO, right,
Speaker 2: So what was your trajectory? Like, how did you get here?
Speaker 3: Oh? My gosh, okay, So like you, I started out
Speaker 3: as an early childhood teacher.
Speaker 4: I actually taught in an early childhood.
Speaker 3: Center to put myself through undergrad I went to the
Speaker 3: Florida A and M University, thank you very much. And honestly,
Speaker 3: I didn't really want to be a teacher.
Speaker 4: I wanted to be an actress.
Speaker 3: And my mother was like, I'm going to need you
Speaker 3: to get a four to one k and have some
Speaker 3: health infits, and so she's like, I've watched you as
Speaker 3: from the time you were a child. You love children,
Speaker 3: you love reading, you love teaching people, and you're a
Speaker 3: little bit bossy. So I think you should try being
Speaker 3: a teacher. And so I went into the teaching profession.
Speaker 3: I started an undergrad and by the time I reached
Speaker 3: my junior year, it became am a calling, Like I
Speaker 3: could literally feel my spirit lift and soar when I
Speaker 3: thought about the potential that is yielded in a classroom
Speaker 3: when you have the right mix of a teacher that
Speaker 3: is dedicated, that is well prepared, that has the passion
Speaker 3: students regardless of social economic status, regardless of background, but
Speaker 3: have that desire, you know, that desire that like the
Speaker 3: three and four year olds have when they're learning, and
Speaker 3: the hunger, the right materials, the support, Like what all
Speaker 3: those things are mixed in. I'm telling you, you know
Speaker 3: this persthand magic happens in classrooms. We see it on
Speaker 3: a daily basis. And so that's what started to drive
Speaker 3: me from there. Honestly, it was a set of unforeseen
Speaker 3: opportunities that I never said no to. So when I
Speaker 3: went to do my residency, somebody said, you should go
Speaker 3: observe Marva Collins Preparatory School in Cincinnati. If no one
Speaker 3: knows about Marva Collins, please look her up. She is,
Speaker 3: I'd say, one of my original She ros African American
Speaker 3: women in the city of Chicago had enough with the
Speaker 3: way her kids were being schooled.
Speaker 4: And decided to open up her own classroom in her
Speaker 4: living room in Chicago, and word got out in the
Speaker 4: neighborhood that her kids were not only learning but excelling,
Speaker 4: and the neighbors started bringing their kids, and all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, her living room is packed, and regardless of
Speaker 4: where the students were, they were learning Shakespeare and Chaucer
Speaker 4: and algebra. Like she had just this insurmountable belief that
Speaker 4: brown and black children have all the potential to become
Speaker 4: whatever they want, and when we set the right environment
Speaker 4: for them, they can learn.
Speaker 3: So I got an opportunity to intern in a school
Speaker 3: that was modeled after her schools. I got an opportunity
Speaker 3: to go live in Germany and observe after school programs
Speaker 3: on dods, and also get opportunity to look at how
Speaker 3: kindergarten is done Europe very different. I got an opportunity
Speaker 3: to go to Columbia University and work for someone who's
Speaker 3: a really big gurgu. Well I'm not going to say
Speaker 3: their name.
Speaker 4: My first lent sent around professional development.
Speaker 3: I ain't even know there was a career professional development.
Speaker 3: I thought you could be a teacher or a principal,
Speaker 3: but a professional developer I never even heard of it,
Speaker 3: and then became a principal with new leaders, started to
Speaker 3: work for new leaders.
Speaker 4: After becoming a turnaround principal.
Speaker 3: Coaching and then lo and behold, honey, I went and
Speaker 3: applied to this company called Unbounded. Didn't get the job
Speaker 3: the first time around, which is I always tell people,
Speaker 3: is a testimony, okay.
Speaker 2: Because right ever, no, and.
Speaker 3: They didn't. They didn't hire me, but they said come
Speaker 3: back and facilitate at one of our national convenience and
Speaker 3: I did that and all of my I would say,
Speaker 3: gifts and talents, and they invited me to apply again
Speaker 3: for a job at Unbounded and I worked first. I
Speaker 3: was a senior director. That's the other thing too, Get
Speaker 3: in because if it's meant to be, you will fit in, okay,
Speaker 3: if you have gifts and talents, and those gifts and
Speaker 3: talents have an opportunity to shine. Don't worry about what
Speaker 3: level you come in on, because those gifts and talents
Speaker 3: are going to carry you. And that's what happened. Month
Speaker 3: after month, I kept getting a promotion, to the point
Speaker 3: where my mother was like, now, what is you doing
Speaker 3: over there? Did they promote you? Everything? For me? And
Speaker 3: I went from senior director to chief and then got
Speaker 3: an opportunity where they allowed me to take their standards institute,
Speaker 3: their national committee, and add some touches to it and
Speaker 3: shift it and make it about equity, which is one
Speaker 3: of our pervasive issues in education today.
Speaker 4: And we took off our sales, our revenue sword.
Speaker 3: Already getting weight less for people to come to our institutes.
Speaker 3: And my board at the time needed to replace the
Speaker 3: CEO and kenye me and said do you want to
Speaker 3: do it?
Speaker 2: Like all teacher to Girden and CEO. I'm gonna like
Speaker 2: something forty million dollar. You know, it's just like what
Speaker 2: I just I hope listening to that, y'all are like, okay,
Speaker 2: you know that. You know sometimes you think you're stuck
Speaker 2: in a place, or how are your skills transferable? But
Speaker 2: they are, ye know they are.
Speaker 3: Yes. Especially I want all I hope educators because I
Speaker 3: know it's tons of them that listen to you and
Speaker 3: follow you. I want them to understand something. Number One,
Speaker 3: your gifts and talents are beyond measurable. We can only
Speaker 3: capture a snapshot in that evaluation if it's any good. Second,
Speaker 3: of all, we are some of the most creative. I mean,
Speaker 3: look at yourself, self sufficient, magvering kind of professionals you
Speaker 3: will find, okay, And I think you also have to
Speaker 3: allow yourself time to develop. Who said you got to drop.
Speaker 4: It to a career and be instematic?
Speaker 2: No, it's true. I think that, Like I think so
Speaker 2: many of us don't realize. Like I talked for ten
Speaker 2: years and then that it was that skill. People always
Speaker 2: ask me, what do I credit the success of the budgetista?
Speaker 2: And I'm like that preschool classroom. I learned all I
Speaker 2: need to learn about leadership, about presentation, about different personalities,
Speaker 2: about like you know, about management. I mean, because you're
Speaker 2: doing it all and so so many of the skills.
Speaker 2: Like I saw this really fun meme about like first
Speaker 2: stay at home moms who think they can't join the workforce,
Speaker 2: and then listed all of the the skill sets that
Speaker 2: these stay at home moms have that absolutely translate into
Speaker 2: the workforce. So no, I love that. So what made
Speaker 2: you decide with all of this knowledge and all this experience,
Speaker 2: Is this your first book? Justice Seekers?
Speaker 3: It is, it's my first published book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what made you decide to write it?
Speaker 3: Well, I will tell you I've been a storyteller since
Speaker 3: I was a child. Storytelling runs in my family. I
Speaker 3: always dripped of being a writer from the time I
Speaker 3: think I was like five years old.
Speaker 4: Never thought my first would be a nonfiction piece.
Speaker 3: But it's a passion piece that I did with the organization,
Speaker 3: and I do keynotes. I do national keynotes around the
Speaker 3: United States and began to notice that the keynotes started
Speaker 3: going viral. A big chunk of the keynotes is my
Speaker 3: own personal journey.
Speaker 4: I got an opportunity, which is rare, Tiffany. I got
Speaker 4: an opportunity to stand on stage in front.
Speaker 3: Of what I call it edgy sphere and make my
Speaker 3: confessionals about being an educated right like admitting that I
Speaker 3: did not always have the greatest.
Speaker 4: Learning environment for my students because.
Speaker 3: I didn't know. I didn't know the nuances of how
Speaker 3: to teach reading, and I tried my hardest to get
Speaker 3: my kids to learn, but without the proper professional.
Speaker 4: Development, I was amiss.
Speaker 3: You know. I was a middle school turnaround principal, and
Speaker 3: I allowed the system to put a.
Speaker 5: Cloud of unbelief in my students over me because of
Speaker 5: the zip codes they lived in, because of their social
Speaker 5: economic status, because of the former reputation that.
Speaker 3: The school had, and rather than seeing my kids for
Speaker 3: the beauty and the gifts and the talents and who
Speaker 3: they were, I saw them as this group of people
Speaker 3: that in.
Speaker 4: Some instances were nuanced, you know.
Speaker 3: Were nuisances to the system, and I made mistakes. I
Speaker 3: wanted them to excel, but I wanted them to excel
Speaker 3: what assimilation's lensed, because I thought that was the way
Speaker 3: that I made it. And it wasn't until I left
Speaker 3: the principalship and I had time to sit back and
Speaker 3: think as an educator and realized that my own internal
Speaker 3: meter about who I was as a black woman, as
Speaker 3: a black child, as a black student, who I showed
Speaker 3: up as a teacher and a principal was based off
Speaker 3: of my own internalized racist beliefs and values, and that
Speaker 3: there were times, as much as I believed in my students,
Speaker 3: those values superseded what I did. And so as I
Speaker 3: started to reflect, I started writing to tell the story.
Speaker 3: I looked at the keynotes that I did and I said,
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, I'm just trying to
Speaker 3: seek justice, Justice for our students, justice for our teachers,
Speaker 3: but most importantly, justice for this nation because we're at
Speaker 3: a time where we don't have anything any more time
Speaker 3: to waste.
Speaker 4: So I started writing it down and I kept saying
Speaker 4: to people in the organ.
Speaker 3: I was like, I got a book. I got a book.
Speaker 3: I got a book. And they were like, Lacey, if
Speaker 3: you say you're gonna do it, we know you're gonna
Speaker 3: do it, go and write it. So my yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I got help from unboundd community.
Speaker 3: I got people in the community, smart people, superheroes I
Speaker 3: call them. But that's what the book is. It's an
Speaker 3: amalgamation of my story as a student teacher, principal. Our
Speaker 3: story is unbound.
Speaker 2: It No, I love that, So what do you well, one,
Speaker 2: this is like, aside from the book, what do you
Speaker 2: think some of that? Because one of my friends, doctor artis,
Speaker 2: we're gonna put some respect on her name. But Maria
Speaker 2: to me, Maria is a vice superintendent of New York
Speaker 2: Public Schools, which is the largest school district, yes, in
Speaker 2: New Jersey, and she was just sharing like what a
Speaker 2: hard time they're having recruiting teachers, just because it's such
Speaker 2: a crazy time. I know, I left the classroom because
Speaker 2: it was too much. But as if someone is listening
Speaker 2: in the considering going into education, or they are a
Speaker 2: teacher already, what can they do to be a justice
Speaker 2: secret because like you said, sometimes you have this own
Speaker 2: bias that you bring in with you because I'm not
Speaker 2: on line until I grew up in a very African
Speaker 2: household and then I went to I but in school,
Speaker 2: my school, I lived in Westfield largely, which was very white,
Speaker 2: and so it was like African at home, White at school,
Speaker 2: and so I had not although I am black, I
Speaker 2: had not had a lot of access to Black American
Speaker 2: you know, like, of course it's not a monolith, but
Speaker 2: the experience, you know, not fully and completely because like
Speaker 2: at home, I just didn't get that, you know. So
Speaker 2: when I got to teach in Newark, you know, of
Speaker 2: course new Ork, like I said, does not represent all
Speaker 2: black the whole African American experience. But one of the
Speaker 2: things I brought with me was if you just work
Speaker 2: hard enough, the bootstraps, you know, like the same as you.
Speaker 2: And I was like bootstraps, like you know, and then
Speaker 2: I can't to teaching this preschool where the babies were
Speaker 2: so smart. Our kids are so dag all smart. But
Speaker 2: they were also coming to say, like I remember went
Speaker 2: to the park once and one of the little boys
Speaker 2: got poked by a needle that was left behind. I
Speaker 2: was like what, And I just remember, like, so, my
Speaker 2: classroom was at the bottom of a of a senior
Speaker 2: building but also SSI social Security, so a lot of
Speaker 2: people that had mental issues. But also there was a
Speaker 2: lot of drug dealing in the building. And I distinctly
Speaker 2: remember having to decide because we had a closet on
Speaker 2: the third floor for the kids, like you know, like
Speaker 2: paper and scissors, any excess materials. So every time I
Speaker 2: had to go to the closet, I had to decide,
Speaker 2: do I want to take this elevator and maybe get
Speaker 2: stuck in the small elevator with someone who is not
Speaker 2: in their right mind, or do I take the stairs
Speaker 2: where you don't know what you're gonna see. I mean,
Speaker 2: I have seen in action prostitution happening. Once I ran
Speaker 2: up the stairs and I smelled a sickly sweet smell
Speaker 2: and when I looked, someone was literally smoking crack. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And that said, wait, how is the baby supposed to
Speaker 2: come to school talking about ABC's one, two three, Like
Speaker 2: I said, this is obviously I know this is not
Speaker 2: the I don't want to misconstrue thinking that this is
Speaker 2: the African American experience across the board. But I had
Speaker 2: never experienced that this is that this is what my
Speaker 2: kids could be experiencing. Because I was twenty two, twenty three,
Speaker 2: and I was blown away, and I threw that maybe
Speaker 2: throw out the whole bootstraps. Girl, I'm barely making it.
Speaker 2: It was. It was hurting my spirit. How is a
Speaker 2: four year old supposed to learn? So the question is
Speaker 2: if someone is if someone wants to be a justice seeker,
Speaker 2: how does someone kind of get past the bias that
Speaker 2: they might bring into the classroom that's harmful for kids.
Speaker 3: Well, first and foremost, let me say this your experience
Speaker 3: that you're talking about, there are hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 3: other educators across the United States experience the same thing.
Speaker 3: I used to call it the robin Hood mentality that
Speaker 3: I had. I had made up in my mind that
Speaker 3: in some years I wanted to go and work in
Speaker 3: what they call urban districts, you know, the districts that
Speaker 3: are mostly bron and black. So I'm in digit in
Speaker 3: this students low social economic status. And in other years
Speaker 3: I would push myself to go work in the suburbs
Speaker 3: because I wanted to see, like, okay, the kids in
Speaker 3: the suburbs, the teachers in the suburbs. It sounded like
Speaker 3: the land of good and plenty. But what I began
Speaker 3: to understand, and I talk about this and justice seekers,
Speaker 3: is that the teachers in the suburbs were justice ill
Speaker 3: prepared as the teachers in the urban city schools that
Speaker 3: I taught in, and that it wasn't Yes, we're materials
Speaker 3: of plenty. Yes were experiences of plenty in those suburbs, yes,
Speaker 3: but teachers on average did not get supported. And so
Speaker 3: the first thing I tell people about becoming a justice
Speaker 3: seeker is one, come and join us, right, Come and
Speaker 3: join our community.
Speaker 4: I call it the Edgy Sphere.
Speaker 3: You don't have to walk this road alone. There are
Speaker 3: the hundreds of thousands of us across the United States.
Speaker 3: We have our national conveniens.
Speaker 4: We invite people to but we also have online opportunities.
Speaker 3: We have a platform called the Ecosystem. You could go
Speaker 3: on and join the community. You teach third grade and
Speaker 3: you want to know, you want to hook up what
Speaker 3: other third grade teachers from across the United States. Our
Speaker 3: Ecosystem offers that, And I would say this, find your
Speaker 3: edgusphere locally right, make sure that you are building the
Speaker 3: community within your building and across schools and other educators.
Speaker 4: We got Facebook, we got Instagram.
Speaker 3: Start a collective educator page where you all are coming
Speaker 3: together locally to support one another. Here's the other thing,
Speaker 3: the professional development. That's one of the biggest issues I
Speaker 3: believe in our profession. Tiffany, if you went to a
Speaker 3: doctor and you had a cold, and you told the
Speaker 3: doctor that you you had a cold and your throat
Speaker 3: was sore, and the doctor pick said, let me see
Speaker 3: your foot, and you say, well, wait a minute now,
Speaker 3: I said that my throat was sore. Well what are
Speaker 3: you looking at my foot for? And the doctor said,
Speaker 3: you know, I ain't. I ain't really get a chance
Speaker 3: to study grades anatomy. I got to the foot, and
Speaker 3: you know, and I ain't really had you would you
Speaker 3: would take your paper, gown, hey, getting your things, ma'am,
Speaker 3: and walk up out that office. When you look at educators,
Speaker 3: I believe our profession is not looked upon the same
Speaker 3: as other professions. We don't receive the same kind of
Speaker 3: professional development that is ongoing, consistent and comprehensive, that is
Speaker 3: up to date around research, and development that looks at
Speaker 3: the landscape of global majority learners and gets us to
Speaker 3: ask the question, how do I teach students and allow
Speaker 3: them to come to school as their whole selves? How
Speaker 3: do I teach my students academic English while honoring their
Speaker 3: home language at the same time. And so I tell
Speaker 3: educators all the time, you got to find a network
Speaker 3: where you are professionally developing yourself. You got to ask
Speaker 3: the system, what's the professional develop you're providing me on
Speaker 3: teaching and needing? How do I become a better math teacher?
Speaker 3: So those are the pieces that I really try to
Speaker 3: push for folks. Join us as a community, find your
Speaker 3: community local, look at the professional development that you're being
Speaker 3: doused with. And for God's sake, this is the last piece.
Speaker 3: You gotta do a self examination. You got to ask yourself,
Speaker 3: why am I standing in the middle of this classroom?
Speaker 3: What is it that I What is it that I
Speaker 3: as a profession what am I looking for? What am
Speaker 3: I seeking? And what is it that I can offer
Speaker 3: my students standing performing? I think when a lot of
Speaker 3: people ask themselves that question, did you become a teacher.
Speaker 4: Because you couldn't think anything else to do?
Speaker 3: Because and if that's the case, honey, you need to
Speaker 3: go on. Indeed, okay, because this profession is worthy of
Speaker 3: those who deem it as essential as their passion, as
Speaker 3: something that they want to grow in, just like being
Speaker 3: a doctor, a loyal, a candlestick maker, or a baker.
Speaker 2: And it's true though, like it's not. I used to
Speaker 2: always tell like my when I first started teaching, you know,
Speaker 2: I had some coworkers that didn't really share my enthusiasm
Speaker 2: for teaching. And I used to say, you know, if
Speaker 2: we were packing boxes, girl, I wouldn't care. You could
Speaker 2: do whatever. You could cheat on the job, you could.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well you cutting out early, we could do
Speaker 2: all that time. I'm like, we pack a boxes, girl,
Speaker 2: I said, but these are kids. Yeah, this is the
Speaker 2: same kid that's going to either take your purse or
Speaker 2: stitch you up in the hospital. How you wanted to go?
Speaker 2: You know, like, these are kids, And so you don't
Speaker 2: get to say, you know, I don't feel like I
Speaker 2: don't want to know, like sorry, this is not the
Speaker 2: kind of profession. There's no space for that here.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, there are greatest commodity.
Speaker 4: Don't you ever think about that as a.
Speaker 3: Nation, our greatest commodity, it's our youth, it's the future.
Speaker 4: None of this AI or infrastructure or fly in the mars.
Speaker 3: Is ever going to continue unless we properly educate the
Speaker 3: entire masses.
Speaker 2: But there are few, I believe, And let them send
Speaker 2: me out to you, Captain my mom and showed us,
Speaker 2: say what song is that?
Speaker 3: Show them.
Speaker 2: Google it.
Speaker 6: It's chosen out the future, the late great Whitney that
Speaker 6: song like give us a sin.
Speaker 2: I feel like every like graduation or whatever do at
Speaker 2: that time, like we all say in that song.
Speaker 4: And the children, the children have to learn to.
Speaker 2: Hold that thought lazy. We have to pay some bills.
Speaker 2: We are going to throw to break and we'll be
Speaker 2: right back black and brown. What do you hope that
Speaker 2: may be an educator or non educator, what do you
Speaker 2: hope that people take away? Like, what do you hope?
Speaker 2: What changes? What hope like guess mentally you hope they
Speaker 2: take away and emotionally, but also what changes you hope
Speaker 2: you know that they in their lives as a result
Speaker 2: of reading it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I say Justice Secrets is my love letter
Speaker 3: to educators, you know, and I really truly mean that, Like,
Speaker 3: you know, you get a love letter, and the person
Speaker 3: is expousing how much they care about you, but they're
Speaker 3: also telling you like what they're concerned about, you know,
Speaker 3: and what they appreciate, what ate about you, appreciate about you,
Speaker 3: and what they want to see in the future, you know.
Speaker 3: And that's what this is. It's my love letter to
Speaker 3: the edu sphere. It's my love letter to the students,
Speaker 3: and most importantly, I'm gonna say it's my love letter
Speaker 3: to this nation. Because here's the thing. I what I
Speaker 3: wrote and decided to include my own personal stories in
Speaker 3: the book, and this is something I do in my keynotes.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm the first step out to be like, hey,
Speaker 3: guess what I made the mistake? If I as an
Speaker 3: African American woman who grew up in a single mother
Speaker 3: household with some powerful figures right with some powerful people
Speaker 3: behind me telling me you can do it. You know,
Speaker 3: you are your you are your best cheerleader. You know
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what they think about you, keep going.
Speaker 3: If I had all of that, and just like you,
Speaker 3: attended predominantly white schools and still got the message I
Speaker 3: wasn't good enough and still got the message I wasn't
Speaker 3: included and very rarely had the opportunity to read, see,
Speaker 3: or hear from people that look like me, let alone
Speaker 3: the history that my people have been a part of
Speaker 3: in this country. And dare I say the main character
Speaker 3: in this country? If out of all of that. After
Speaker 3: finishing my K twelve experience, I still grapple with who
Speaker 3: I was. And it wasn't until I attended an HBCU
Speaker 3: that it got hammered home. How brilliant, how bright? And yes,
Speaker 3: you might struggle on math, Lacy, but guess what, we
Speaker 3: can get you to proficient. We can get you to
Speaker 3: proficient because we believe in you. And so I use
Speaker 3: those storyes of what I thought I knew when I
Speaker 3: knew better. I used the stories of the observations that
Speaker 3: I've had the privilege of having with teachers and leaders
Speaker 3: and students, those moments. You know, there's a little girl
Speaker 3: I talk about in the book. I was doing a
Speaker 3: walk through the New Orleans and I think about this
Speaker 3: and it brings tears to my eyes. A couple of
Speaker 3: years ago, I was in a fifth grade math class.
Speaker 3: A little black girl, braided, long hair, beautiful, all coco,
Speaker 3: buttered up. You know, you can tell somebody to take
Speaker 3: care of putting presses down her edges and had all
Speaker 3: the bowls in her hair. And they were in a
Speaker 3: math class just doing this wrote three plus three is
Speaker 3: six fifth grade now and I'm walking through the classroom
Speaker 3: and she grabs my arm and pulls me down and says,
Speaker 3: will you be her teacher?
Speaker 4: Please?
Speaker 3: Please? Will you be our teacher? And it's in those
Speaker 3: moments as an educator that I was just whipped apart
Speaker 3: because I knew what she was asking me.
Speaker 2: Do you see me?
Speaker 3: Do you hear me? Could you come and care enough
Speaker 3: about me and what I'm learning? And that's not a
Speaker 3: dig on the teacher that was in front of the
Speaker 3: student who wasn't prepared. I'm gonna say that even the
Speaker 3: principle admite it the teacher wasn't prepared, not the teacher's fault,
Speaker 3: but the system's fault. And so it's those moments I
Speaker 3: talk about in the book. I have a real truth
Speaker 3: and telling moment in US as a nation in the
Speaker 3: role that African Americans, Indigenous LATINX and other people of
Speaker 3: color have played in the role of education, the misguidedness,
Speaker 3: and so I invite people to not just read the stories,
Speaker 3: but to answer the questions in the text about themselves
Speaker 3: and their systems and their schools.
Speaker 2: So you probably have heard the statistic by twenty forty
Speaker 2: four that we will be for the first time in
Speaker 2: this country, say majority minority country. Yes, And so what
Speaker 2: does that spell for education? If the minority majority of
Speaker 2: people will no longer be white, that it will be black, brown,
Speaker 2: and indigenous indigenous? Like, what does that look like in
Speaker 2: the education system? How much more important is it to
Speaker 2: have black, brown, and indigenous teachers? Knowing that you know
Speaker 2: that we will be overly represented in the general population.
Speaker 3: It looks like the warning signs that are going off now,
Speaker 3: the warning signs we are literally out of lace. You know,
Speaker 3: you know when your.
Speaker 4: Fire alarm goes off and you overcooked your food, and
Speaker 4: it's like, it's.
Speaker 3: That is actually happening in education right now, and people
Speaker 3: want to blame it on COVID. But I got news
Speaker 3: for you. We were already in an educational pandemic before
Speaker 3: the health pandemic even happened. We were already starting to
Speaker 3: see the signs that we as a nation weren't paying
Speaker 3: close enough to the development of educators, that we as
Speaker 3: a nation weren't paying close enough to the pay you
Speaker 3: know this, talk about this as an educator, and the
Speaker 3: amount of sacrifice that is expected of you, even though
Speaker 3: you gotta.
Speaker 4: Pay bills, meet your mortgage, feed your kids, support your
Speaker 4: family like everybody else.
Speaker 3: We as a nation. The warning signs have been going
Speaker 3: off since before Brown and Board of Education that in
Speaker 3: order to educate us all, in order for this to
Speaker 3: be these United States, where the pursuit of happiness is
Speaker 3: part of our creed, you have to educate your masses.
Speaker 3: Horace Man said that when he proposed to public school,
Speaker 3: and so the warning signs are going off. One all
Speaker 3: students are struggling, but pride, all students are struggling. Broad
Speaker 3: and Black students pervasively have been underserved in these United States.
Speaker 3: I've doubled dog there somebody to go to their local
Speaker 3: system and ask for the data and not see the
Speaker 3: trend of broad and Black students versus their white peers.
Speaker 3: Second of all, our GDP, wayman, now speaking your language,
Speaker 3: GDP is at risk because if you don't educate the masses,
Speaker 3: if they can't read, if they can't write, way Man, Now,
Speaker 3: I'm really about to touch on I believe this is
Speaker 3: the world according to the lakes. The reason why your
Speaker 3: work is so essential is because your counteracting the first
Speaker 3: misstep that happens. And you already know what I'm about
Speaker 3: to say. People have a phobia about math, they have
Speaker 3: a phobia about numbers. Brown and black people, nine times
Speaker 3: out of ten aren't shown the representation, the gifts and talents.
Speaker 3: Aren't told that you have the innate ability to be
Speaker 3: a mathematician a financial analysis. And so what ends up
Speaker 3: happened You become scared of numbers, let alone budgets.
Speaker 2: We're talking about just numbers.
Speaker 3: And I dream of a day where your work gets
Speaker 3: magnified because we have educated the masses of brown and
Speaker 3: black children to understand that they have mathematical ability. They
Speaker 3: understand the concepts and the foundational skills, and they could
Speaker 3: be applied to budgets, engineering, food service, anything. So that
Speaker 3: is our warning side. Now the cohort of teachers that
Speaker 3: are needed, and I talk about this in the book.
Speaker 3: First of all, brown and black teachers aren't needed to
Speaker 3: keep Jerome and Anna in place, that's how they've been
Speaker 3: used in the past. They are needed because all students
Speaker 3: need to see representation.
Speaker 4: All students need to understand.
Speaker 7: That people who are not from where you're from can't
Speaker 7: be discounted, have to be included, and if we are
Speaker 7: to continue to be these United States.
Speaker 3: We have to start to educate our youth around that.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna say it's about the teaching force. You
Speaker 3: think you think we would be in such a dire
Speaker 3: need for teachers if if they were paid the way
Speaker 3: that they should be paid.
Speaker 2: I think in part yes, I mean I think also
Speaker 2: like a lot of teachers teach because obviously for the love,
Speaker 2: not but the money. But also too, I think it's
Speaker 2: not just the money. For me, it was also just
Speaker 2: the lack of support. So I think in some part
Speaker 2: that yes, you would maybe have more teachers apply. But
Speaker 2: like for example, I look at I hear Maria talking
Speaker 2: NERD pays well, okay, they pay very well, and yet
Speaker 2: they're still struggling to attract teachers. So I don't think
Speaker 2: it's just the money. I think it's also like, is
Speaker 2: there a system in place to support these teachers once
Speaker 2: they have the job.
Speaker 3: It's the money, it's the system. Now let's look at this,
Speaker 3: it's the legacies of community. So think about this. You
Speaker 3: want to increase brown, black, Indigenous communities and education, you
Speaker 3: can ignore their financial histories that they've had. So even
Speaker 3: though and I'm not saying Newark doesn't pay well, because
Speaker 3: I've seen their pay skill, it pays well.
Speaker 4: But I want you to think about you're somebody.
Speaker 3: That's being moved into a pay scale who's financial legacy
Speaker 3: has never had had a leg up. Right, So let's
Speaker 3: say you took out student loans. Your your mom and
Speaker 3: your daddy, your grandmother, your auntie, they couldn't help you
Speaker 3: get through school. You got the student loans. You already
Speaker 3: know what I'm gonna say. You're already behind you probably
Speaker 3: credit card your way through school. And where you are now.
Speaker 3: You're in newer public schools making the salary, but it's
Speaker 3: not quite cutting it yet. And what ends up happening
Speaker 3: you have to go work a second job, right to
Speaker 3: not just pay your bills, but to try to catch
Speaker 3: up from all of the financial legacy that you had missing.
Speaker 3: So it is, it's the salary, it's the professional development,
Speaker 3: it's getting providing opportunities for educators to get a leg up.
Speaker 3: You want to talk about removing student loan, maybe we
Speaker 3: should start with the education for us first, and.
Speaker 4: Really mean it, and really mean it.
Speaker 3: There needs to be more education around folks like you
Speaker 3: coming into our school systems and saying to brown and
Speaker 3: black cohorts of educators, let's talk about how we can
Speaker 3: build your budget. Let's talk about how we can start
Speaker 3: financial legacies so that you could get down into the
Speaker 3: passion of teaching. There is a revolution that needs to
Speaker 3: happen in the teaching profession. If you want the brown
Speaker 3: and black communities to play a role in it, don't
Speaker 3: ignore their financial legacies that have been absent. I think
Speaker 3: if we start to answer those questions, the professional development
Speaker 3: paying them well, acknowledge how we can support them in
Speaker 3: building healthy financial legacies for themselves, then that takes the
Speaker 3: burden off of getting into the passion of teaching.
Speaker 2: Because honestly, when I think about when I was teaching,
Speaker 2: I mean I was making decent money for the time
Speaker 2: a preest GARL was making thirty nine thousand, but then
Speaker 2: I still toutored on the side because he needed the
Speaker 2: extra money. You know, I still babysat on the side,
Speaker 2: and that made me an extra like five or six
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year, you know, to try to close
Speaker 2: some gaps. So no, absolutely, and I love that you're
Speaker 2: right that I think folks don't understand. I mean, well,
Speaker 2: the folks listening, you know, y'all brown ambition. But folks
Speaker 2: who are not a part of this community do not
Speaker 2: understand that my hundred thousand that I make is not
Speaker 2: the same as someone who's white and one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: that they make, because that one hundred thousand for them,
Speaker 2: like Tashays the first girl to go she's the first
Speaker 2: to go to college, so she's the one hundred thousands
Speaker 2: for her, for granny, for couso, for mom or dad.
Speaker 2: It's like that money. And then on top of them,
Speaker 2: you took out student loans because other people did not
Speaker 2: have to do so, and so on top of that,
Speaker 2: you're trying to like you don't literally get to start
Speaker 2: at zero and build, you know, we're literally starting at
Speaker 2: negative one hundred thousand, negative two hundred thousand, and so
Speaker 2: it's not the same. That money is not created equally.
Speaker 4: So no, absolutely, And Tiffany, imagine this.
Speaker 3: If you didn't have to tutor, if you didn't have
Speaker 3: to babysit, could you have imagined using your time in
Speaker 3: bettering your your self and your profession, maybe taking a class,
Speaker 3: reading a book, joining a group. You know, when you
Speaker 3: think about that and the impact that it has on
Speaker 3: communities that we're inviting, that we want to be a
Speaker 3: part of this educational landscape, you got to take all
Speaker 3: that into consideration.
Speaker 2: I love that because it's not because what I'm learning
Speaker 2: more and more about my community is that it's not
Speaker 2: just throwing money at the answer, you know exactly. That's
Speaker 2: what I mean. I've been lately been on my soapbox
Speaker 2: trying to strong arm these organizations to say, like, yo,
Speaker 2: I've been teaching financial education for the last fifteen years.
Speaker 2: I've not built an online school that teaches financial education.
Speaker 2: I have subsidized so many over one hundred thousand students
Speaker 2: have joined my online school, the Literature Academy, and we
Speaker 2: keep the cost as low as possible. I have been subsidizing,
Speaker 2: you know, so much of that. Just even just this year,
Speaker 2: we had a financial education challenge that was totally free
Speaker 2: and we educated two hundred and eighty thousand people. But
Speaker 2: why I always got to come out of pocket? Where
Speaker 2: are you big banks?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Do you want me to tap dance for you on
Speaker 2: your to be a spokesperson? Why I always got to
Speaker 2: come out of pocket, you know, like, and I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm just like, no, I'm holding them to task. You
Speaker 2: come see me, No, tell me how you are going
Speaker 2: to subsidize black and brown people getting free financial education.
Speaker 2: I got to school. It works. It's seven years old.
Speaker 2: We've already we've already educated one hundred thousand people. Subsidize that,
Speaker 2: you know, Like I would love to be able to
Speaker 2: say to your point lazy, like, hey, you know, we
Speaker 2: have all these educators that unbounded. Why not why not
Speaker 2: fund them to have free access for one year to
Speaker 2: the literature Academy? Why why do I always have to
Speaker 2: pay for that? You know? And so you just be
Speaker 2: surprised because these companies have I mean I have gotten
Speaker 2: contracts that are multiple six and seven figures to do
Speaker 2: not multiple seven from my lips of God's Ears, one
Speaker 2: day figure contracts to you know, to do next to
Speaker 2: nothing as the budgetista, you know, like a little live
Speaker 2: here on a stage there, and that's cute and I'm
Speaker 2: grateful for it, you know, and I brought back into
Speaker 2: the community in the company. But I would honestly would
Speaker 2: really love instead to say, hey, how much can five
Speaker 2: hundred thousand how many students. Can we can we educate
Speaker 2: for five hundred thousand, how many students? I mean agent
Speaker 2: for a million? You know, I mean not students like kids.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about these grown people who are like if
Speaker 2: I didn't have to worry about my personal finances, then
Speaker 2: I could be present here for these babies. So yes,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: Think about the revolution, were about to start hunting, were
Speaker 3: about to start revolution, Because think about the revolution that
Speaker 3: you we could have if your financial university became a
Speaker 3: part of the scope and sequence for undergraduates that are
Speaker 3: going into education. You know what if the alternative program said,
Speaker 3: come and join us, will not only teach you how
Speaker 3: to be a teacher, but we'll also get you into
Speaker 3: the financial university so you can learn more about budget.
Speaker 3: This is my question to you. And this ain't no
Speaker 3: dig and don't send me no emails and snaps or
Speaker 3: whatever y'all stand out, well.
Speaker 2: Riddle me this.
Speaker 4: We prepare professional athletes.
Speaker 3: Better than we prepare professional educators for their budgets and beyond.
Speaker 3: And I ain't talking about you know, some people would
Speaker 3: be like, well, there's there's some places that offer you
Speaker 3: could buy a house, and honey, if you see some
Speaker 3: of them, houses they'd be offered educated. First of all,
Speaker 3: you and your husband or your spouseball have to be
Speaker 3: buying the building in order to even move into it.
Speaker 3: I'm talking out beyond that. I'm talking about educating them
Speaker 3: so that they understand that I can be a teacher.
Speaker 3: I can be an educator and I don't have to
Speaker 3: babysit and tutor. I can figure out how to create
Speaker 3: a budget, how to save, how to have vacation money,
Speaker 3: how to you know what I mean? What about your taxes?
Speaker 3: I said. I used to say, it's an educator. I
Speaker 3: wish somebody would come and teach me how to write
Speaker 3: off be all these materials I ended up buying as
Speaker 3: a teacher.
Speaker 2: Okay, you at the local buying fifteen judicters. It was like,
Speaker 2: how many kids do you have? When I see the teacher,
Speaker 2: I literally used to set aside money from my paycheck
Speaker 2: for my baby. Yes, because you can't as a teacher.
Speaker 2: It's literally impossible as a teacher not to invest some
Speaker 2: of your own money because there is a gap. So no,
Speaker 2: you're right, and honestly, that's the soap op option that
Speaker 2: I'm on now. I am holding brands and things that
Speaker 2: reach out to me the task to say, all that's
Speaker 2: good on what you want me to do. You want
Speaker 2: me to dance for a dollar, then do this for me,
Speaker 2: you know, not even for me, do this for this community.
Speaker 2: That my father would always say every time we graduated,
Speaker 2: like from high school or college or advanced degree, he
Speaker 2: would give the same speech to me and my four sisters.
Speaker 2: He would always say, you are now at a different
Speaker 2: level of life because of this education that you've now acquired.
Speaker 2: And the beautiful thing about knowledge is knowledge, once given,
Speaker 2: can never be rescinded. They can't take this back from
Speaker 2: your baby. And so that's the thing I am here
Speaker 2: as a result of my father. He's in his eighties now,
Speaker 2: but as a he has his master's and economics and
Speaker 2: his bachelor's in finance, and so he poured that financial
Speaker 2: education to my sisters and I. So it allowed me
Speaker 2: to choose what I wanted to do based upon what
Speaker 2: I love to do. You know, because I was able
Speaker 2: to budget, I was able to learn how to save
Speaker 2: and start investing in all those things, even now start
Speaker 2: with starting the budget, Nissa. I was able to do
Speaker 2: those things because I knew how to live well below
Speaker 2: my means. So I would have space to do this
Speaker 2: thing that I'm doing now, and I always wonder, like,
Speaker 2: you know, how could that be different for other people?
Speaker 2: So I am on my soapbox crusade to get every
Speaker 2: black and brown person access to financial education, but meaningful
Speaker 2: culturally relevant because people are like, well, they could just
Speaker 2: google meaningful culturally relevant financial education because some of the
Speaker 2: stuff out here. Even I'm like, what are you saying
Speaker 2: now that is a sense or you tell me, you
Speaker 2: know you're telling me like, oh, you're talking about pull
Speaker 2: myself up by my shoe strings. Oh you're one of those.
Speaker 2: Now I'm good. No, meaningful culturally relevant financial education that
Speaker 2: makes sense for who I am and how I show
Speaker 2: up in this world. And so I'm like, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: so we gonna talk late. So like, what do I
Speaker 2: got to do because I've already been partner. There's a
Speaker 2: I guess I'll announce later, but there's a nonprofit that
Speaker 2: there's already agreed, a huge one that everybody knows their name,
Speaker 2: kind of like work with us behind the scenes. So
Speaker 2: basically kind of white label online school because oftentimes, which
Speaker 2: is so crazy, a brand or a bank or a
Speaker 2: funder or whatever will be like, hey, nonprofit, we want
Speaker 2: to give you a bazillion dollars to do this financial
Speaker 2: education thing. And they're like, well, why don't you go girl.
Speaker 2: That's a black owned financial education company that's been existed.
Speaker 2: But the menu of you white label.
Speaker 3: It's part oh child, here's all the well.
Speaker 2: We got to do all that. So I said, all right, cute,
Speaker 2: that's what we're gonna do. Go ahead and white label
Speaker 2: what we've already created and already vetted. I mean, I
Speaker 2: had these women from Stanford come and do a and
Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure all my research and everything
Speaker 2: that I believe was true was true. We made some
Speaker 2: changes based upon what they've said. We've retaped everything. It's
Speaker 2: just like it's frustrating because when I show up in
Speaker 2: all my black and brownness and womanness, yea, you know,
Speaker 2: there's doubt about what I'm capable of. But to slap
Speaker 2: you know, like some you know, old ancient like you know,
Speaker 2: name on it, and all of a sudden, there's valuable.
Speaker 2: And if that's the game I have to play to
Speaker 2: get financial education to black and brown people for free,
Speaker 2: then so be it.
Speaker 3: And so that right now you singing my song, honey,
Speaker 3: we could start acquired because I feel like I say
Speaker 3: this to people all the time.
Speaker 4: Okay, I went to Columbia.
Speaker 3: University Teachers College, right, I didn't go to Harvard, I
Speaker 3: didn't go to Yale, you know. And I have this
Speaker 3: sheer audacity as a student, as an educator, as a
Speaker 3: leader in education, to stand all my platforms and to announce,
Speaker 3: you know, our equitable charges to talk about. We have
Speaker 3: a framework that's called GLEAN is a grade level, engaging, affirming,
Speaker 3: meaningful instruction for all students, you know. And you are
Speaker 3: absolutely right. I had to authorize myself, right, which is
Speaker 3: what we often have to do as people of color,
Speaker 3: particularly as women of color. And once I authorize myself,
Speaker 3: the edgy sphere got up behind me and authorized me
Speaker 3: as well. And I see, and I know that to
Speaker 3: be true about you and what you're doing. But you
Speaker 3: are absolutely right, we are. There has to be some
Speaker 3: sort of white label or stamp to say like, okay,
Speaker 3: this person is and not just from sheer. I mean,
Speaker 3: when you think about your story, the sheer experience alone
Speaker 3: authorizes you to get up in front of the masses
Speaker 3: and speak. And that should be enough because guess what
Speaker 3: it's enough for some other people.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, but you know the fight continues. That fight
Speaker 6: can tell you, so go ahead.
Speaker 2: Sorry sorry, I.
Speaker 3: Was gonna say, we go, We're gonna run. I believe
Speaker 3: we're gonna run all and see what the end gonna be.
Speaker 2: Okay, I haven't lost yet. Okay, where if the people
Speaker 2: want to buy Justice Sea write your book pursuing equity
Speaker 2: and the details of teaching and learning. Where can the
Speaker 2: people get your book?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Amazon, Target, Barns and Nobles, any of
Speaker 3: your online bookstores. I've just literally received a message today
Speaker 3: that people in Australia are starting to buy the book
Speaker 3: and so and also bookstores, you know, bookstores when the
Speaker 3: when the book demands come, they will start to fill
Speaker 3: up the shelves in the actual retail stores. But we've
Speaker 3: received just a huge, huge amount of support. It came
Speaker 3: out as number one of new releases in its category
Speaker 3: in Amazon, and so the edgisphere is showing up and
Speaker 3: showing out and spreading the words. So yes, I would say,
Speaker 3: also code to Unbounded dot org.
Speaker 4: If you go to our landing page, it'll not only tell.
Speaker 3: You where to purchase the book, but it'll tell you
Speaker 3: how to sit shoulder to shoulder with us and the work.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I love it. And where can they connect
Speaker 2: with you? I mean, you know, I don't know how
Speaker 2: much you want to be on your business and on
Speaker 2: social could be I don't know, right if they want
Speaker 2: to follow you and connect because I always see you
Speaker 2: on somebody stage, I'd be like, yes, yes, I gotta
Speaker 2: say she's on stage every day.
Speaker 3: People want to follow.
Speaker 2: An amazing black woman doing her space. Where do you
Speaker 2: feel comfortable with them following you on social media?
Speaker 3: So they can find us on Instagram at unbalumed dot
Speaker 3: org or miss ms Lacy Robinson. They can find me
Speaker 3: on Facebook, same thing unbound dot org or miss Lacy
Speaker 3: Robinson with ms Yeah, shoot me a d M. I
Speaker 3: can't promise I'm be on the hands at all the time,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not, as I ain't got to people
Speaker 3: support me like the way timmany do.
Speaker 4: But uh, but I could try to get to the messages.
Speaker 2: Yes, So again, give you a copy. We're gonna put
Speaker 2: a link hopefully in that show description. I'll get the money.
Speaker 2: Are our amazing, beautiful brown producer to put the link
Speaker 2: for Justice Seekers in our show notes? Justice Seekers by
Speaker 2: Lacey Robinson. Yeah, I just I love that there are
Speaker 2: people like you continuing the work in the education space
Speaker 2: where so many of us were like tap out, tap out.
Speaker 2: You can't all tap out. Some of us got to
Speaker 2: tap in, and so I'm so glad you're there. Thank
Speaker 2: you so much for coming, Lacy, You're really amazing.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, thank you so much for having me
Speaker 3: tick me. You are such an angel. I want you
Speaker 3: to understand that you really are. Your words of wisdom
Speaker 3: carry us through. So I just really appreciate everything that
Speaker 3: you do for us.
Speaker 4: And you still are teacher girl in a different class.
Speaker 2: Yes, low key. Actually, I'm y'all. Hope you're enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Share this with your favorite teacher educator because you know
Speaker 2: she needs to hear it, because or he or they
Speaker 2: somebody needs to hear it. Yeah, and we will see you,
Speaker 2: so I'm not seying. Lacey's actually gonna stay for a
Speaker 2: ba QA, so you know, tune in on Friday because
Speaker 2: we're gonna get some questions to answer and until next week,
Speaker 2: by y'all.
Speaker 3: Bye,