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Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey's dad called me a troll.

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Speaker 2: So I do actually understand and admire a parent coming

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Speaker 2: to their child's defense, particularly when asked about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he was asked about it. I'm sure he

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Speaker 1: didn't just come out.

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Speaker 2: Of the gate, and I just wish he would have

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Speaker 2: you know, as we teach our kids, it's better to

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Speaker 2: express yourself than to just criticize. And usually when I

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Speaker 2: say something about someone or someone's actions or behavior, I'm

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Speaker 2: explaining something that I don't agree with. But it's very rare.

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Speaker 2: I think back on Housewives was the last time and

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Speaker 2: something that's a verbal insult. So I'm a Mama bear,

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Speaker 2: and I get that, but calling me a troll, which

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Speaker 2: of course is amazing clickbit and yay for Travis Kelsey's dad,

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Speaker 2: but it.

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Speaker 1: Seems like.

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Speaker 2: He's, you know, defending his son and his son I

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Speaker 2: referred to as a peacock. I wasn't even criticizing their relationship.

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Speaker 2: I was saying, usually there's only one peacock in a relationship,

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Speaker 2: and I dated a guy like that. That was very

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Speaker 2: over the top and very you know, just like loud

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Speaker 2: and gregarious and like needed to be the center of attention.

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Speaker 2: And I stand by that. I think that's who Travis is.

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Speaker 2: I did not mention him pushing his coach, which is

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Speaker 2: a physical expression versus using your words and having a conversation,

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Speaker 2: which is kind of like what.

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Speaker 1: His dad did.

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Speaker 2: He used an insult instead of using his intellect. So

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Speaker 2: the swifties can come for me. But I'm going to

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Speaker 2: defend myself when I have said that they were in

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Speaker 2: my mount rushmore of couples, the two of them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're on top of the world.

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Speaker 2: They're both very successful. I've said that I literally think

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Speaker 2: he's a peacock, and there are two peacocks in this relationship,

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Speaker 2: and it usually doesn't work. I'm allowed to think that

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Speaker 2: But also for his dad to kind of get into

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Speaker 2: it is also just funny. It's sort of like the

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Speaker 2: kids getting into the drama on the Housewives or the husbands.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like when p K gets into a

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Speaker 2: Housewives argument that Travis Kelsey's dad is now involved, should

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Speaker 2: I get brit involved? Now it's just a little absurd,

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Speaker 2: but it's making headlines, so sorry, not sorry. So I

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Speaker 2: was just that mom, I am cringe. I am embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: I am embarrassed. I was in the lobby of my

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Speaker 2: Brennan and I watched This Is Us during the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: But she really loved him.

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Speaker 2: She just thought he was so sweet and cute and

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Speaker 1: He's the number one.

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Speaker 2: To her, and she sees him just like he's the

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Speaker 2: most handsome of all of them, you know, not in

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Speaker 2: sitting in the lobby of a hotel just eating some

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Speaker 2: to go box and I was waiting for my car

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Speaker 1: My hair is up in a clip. I look horrendous.

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Speaker 2: I just like someone's therapist, and I mean just really

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Speaker 2: I think someone on social media saw me posting a

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Speaker 1: It just all wasn't working.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just getting a little into my like bohem

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Speaker 2: So anyway, I see him and I go up to

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Speaker 2: I'm like, here, I am. Now, I'm all the people

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Speaker 2: seamlessly meaning to come up. You're just like, hey, you're awesome.

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Speaker 2: and out. You don't give any excuses. You don't say

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Speaker 2: say I'm not a fan but my wife is, because

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Speaker 2: then you're not a fan. You don't know what to do,

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Speaker 2: He's with a pretty woman and they're walking into the barn,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like excuse me. I've heard this before where

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Speaker 2: are you okay? What was I supposed to say?

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Speaker 1: Justin? I think I then did say justin, this is

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Speaker 2: It's like when I did it with Adam saying they're horrendous.

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Speaker 2: So he turns out and he's like hi, and you know,

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Speaker 2: he's like so nice and he has to be nice.

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Speaker 2: He was trained on ABC, like Eric stone Street, like

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Speaker 2: you just you're gonna be nice, and he could be

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Speaker 2: you have no respect. I mean, he wasn't like by

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Speaker 2: just that was it. Like, and he's like no, no,

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Speaker 2: I've seen this before where someone's fumbling with their camera

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Speaker 2: So I was that asshole, and I was like, I'm

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Speaker 1: Try. Sorry, ma'am, you're out.

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Speaker 2: And I do believe that I might have said, oh

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Speaker 1: What a loser? Why would I don't know. I meant

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Speaker 2: You're dressed in art lay, I do tiktoks with seafood

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Speaker 2: I got the picture and I look like I should

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Speaker 2: That's like to add for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 2: I don't stalk him, but he's feeling la to me

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Speaker 2: And in thinking about that now, I was also thinking

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Speaker 2: like he should be in movies like The Born Identity,

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Speaker 2: Like I'm ready for him to take that next step

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Speaker 2: in his career, like Keanu used to have that role.

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Speaker 2: I just think it's time. I think Justin Hartley looking

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Speaker 2: at him, seeing him just for all you guys, I

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Speaker 2: did the homework. I saw him live and direct upfront.

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Speaker 2: He was kind and so he deserves to success. And

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Speaker 2: he's sheepish enough, like but tough enough, you know, like

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Speaker 2: he could be in shape enough, looks strong enough, look

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Speaker 2: protective enough. I think Justin Hartley should be the new

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Speaker 2: Jason Bourne. So he's probably gonna be really glad he

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Speaker 2: ran into me because now I'm the publicist that is

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Speaker 2: pushing this in his career. But somebody must have been

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Speaker 2: pushing something because he is in Tracker, which is kind

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Speaker 2: of like that. But I'd like to see him in

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Speaker 2: like feature films that are playing at the Iepick and

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Speaker 1: So that's a rant.

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Speaker 2: This Wendy Williams thing is frankly unacceptable. And this is

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Speaker 1: She is a human being. And it's terrible.

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Speaker 2: That there's a documentary about this that yes, she's executive producing,

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Speaker 2: And the same syndication group produced my talk show as

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Speaker 2: I don't even remember, but I know it was the

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Speaker 2: I've said before, the rumblings of her husband taking a

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Speaker 1: But we don't know. I wasn't there. We can't know.

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Speaker 2: I just know what everyone said. People on the show

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Speaker 1: I don't know him.

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Speaker 2: I don't know anything about him.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what he was dealing with. This sounds insane.

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Speaker 2: But she now has degeneration, mental degeneration. I think it's

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Speaker 2: So they're doing a reality show and Wells Fargo had

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Speaker 2: to get involved at some point, saying that her family

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Speaker 2: niece was on with Deborah Roberts saying that she doesn't

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Speaker 2: not going to say, and then another woman was interviewed saying, well,

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Speaker 2: The money's over there, and that's scary because someone paid

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Speaker 2: for a documentary. Where does the money go? As Deborah

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Speaker 2: Like just watching the clip of Deborah Roberts talking about it,

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Speaker 2: How do we have a documentary about Wendy Williams who's.

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Speaker 2: And they say she's had issues with alcohol. And as

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Speaker 2: I've said before, the pressure of that talk show, a

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Speaker 1: It is a machine that.

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Speaker 2: Grinds and cranks with two hundred people there every day

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Speaker 2: it back. And it's just all day, every day, pressure, wardrobe, makeup, segments, mistakes, cancelations.

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Speaker 2: Always gotta be happy. So she's got that. She had

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Speaker 2: be trashing people every day. Who even knows, but always

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Speaker 2: it sounds like when Amanda Binds wasn't well, Like should

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Speaker 2: we have done a documentary on her? It's terribly tragic,

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Speaker 2: and Deborah Roberts is brilliant and asked all the right

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Speaker 2: It's life is so precious, like rise and fall is serious,

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Speaker 2: because I knew a man, a very successful man in

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Speaker 2: Heard some things about him, and then one night I

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Speaker 2: Like I've met Wendy many times and it's just like

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Speaker 2: her because she's going through a terrible time. I just

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Speaker 2: it's just a human being.

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