WEBVTT - Inspired by Heather and Heidi Burge 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.080 Thank you everybody for joining us on our par copper episode. 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:18.960 Oh I do this all the time. 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:22.279 I've backed myself into the special corner because I always 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:24.360 say it's a special episode. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:24.599 But this one is. 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:28.200 We're doing a bonus special episode because this was so cool. 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:30.520 This is a first on Magical rewind where we're not 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:35.199 interviewing Disney Channel Royalty. We're not interviewing We're not even 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:39.440 interviewing actors or singers or writers. We're interviewing the people 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.120 that made the movie possible because they are what the 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:47.280 movie is about. Oh my gosh, we are talking about 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:53.000 the actual twins from Double Teamed. So cool because you know, 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.560 what was based on a true story and we get 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.400 to talk to them today to find out how their 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.120 real life story got aid into a d com. 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:03.960 I'm so excited to get kind of this side of 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:05.520 the thing is so cool. 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:10.800 Could you imagine I would freak out if Disney wanted 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.480 to do a movie about my life? 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:16.120 This is going to be amazing. I'm so excited. 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:17.640 I don't think they would do that for me. I 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.160 can't imagine they're being their casting ten year old smokers 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:23.520 to do the Disney Channel movies that wouldn't be a 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:24.360 good thing, but. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:26.319 Anyway, can you please help us? 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:34.720 Welcome Heidi and Heather Burge. Hey, how are you both 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:36.039 doing good? 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:37.840 Thank you so much for joining us. I don't know 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:39.039 if you know our mission here. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.520 We were watching all the Disney Channel original movies and 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:42.319 talking about them. 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.440 We're very happy and for the first time ever, we 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:47.520 get to talk to the people that the movie was 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.840 based around based on, which is so cool. 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:52.520 And I'm just wondering if you could tell us how 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:54.520 did this even come to pass? 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:56.040 Did Disney call you? 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:58.280 How to what happens when you get the call from 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:00.360 Disney Channel saying we want to do a movie about you. 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:05.639 So we had both been playing overseas basketball professionally for 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.200 at least four seasons or five it must have been 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.160 more than that five seasons or no, four seasons, and 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:16.320 a singer entertained Singer White Entertainment. It wasn't even Disney 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:21.880 this entertainment. I guess it's a firm. They decided to 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:26.079 make a basketball movie for Disney Cable about a girl, 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:30.040 a female basketball player. And they know they got a 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:31.840 hold of me because they had my information in the 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.720 media guide of the very first nineteen ninety seven WNBA. 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.880 Heather wasn't playing because she was injured, and I was 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.120 on the LA Sparks, our hometown, and it was so 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.360 cool and they said, hey, you're one of the five 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:47.880 top five finalists in all the girls of the league. 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:50.280 I thought, that's awesome, but I'm like, I'm not. 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:50.919 Going to get it, you know. 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.080 I figured there's so many other people with dramatic stories, 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:57.040 and I thought, and they liked the drama in my life. 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:58.960 They liked was that I had a heart surgery when 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:00.960 I was a baby, and they didn't think my parents 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.400 didn't think I would have a normal life right becaus 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:05.959 the doctor said so anyway, So they picked that because 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:07.560 of the drama. And then they found out I had 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:11.600 a twin and they didn't even know that because they 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:13.440 had to research more about my life. It wasn't like 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.679 Google back in nineteen ninety seven. It wasn't just everything. 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.280 So they figured out, oh, she's a twin, and Heather 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.360 and Heidie were the we were the tallest female identical twins. 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:24.360 All this stuff, and they said, we want to make 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:27.480 the movie about you. And that's when they started the 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:30.880 writing process, and it was three years of writers. Then 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:36.480 they sold that product to the Disney Wowes in two thousand. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.520 They wrote they had three writers in three different years 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:43.200 ninety seven to two thousand. Meanwhile, Heather I was actually 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.560 exiting the league with an injury. Heather gets in the 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.680 league and then the third writer. They finally have their 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.560 polished script. They submit it to Disney, and Disney buys 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:54.160 it and they don't even film and release until two 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.080 thousand and two. So it's kind of fun to learn 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.120 that it's like a five year You really don't even 0:03:58.160 --> 0:03:59.440 know when it's gonna pilot, you know. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:04.240 Yeah, geez, So Okay, So when when you were growing 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.680 up was well, I guess the way I want to 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.960 want to phrase it is how how close to real life. 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.080 Did the movie stick to you? I mean? 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.920 Was it was the things we were seeing as you know, 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.520 you're moving from different schools and moving all over the place, 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:21.720 and you started players and you didn't then didn't want 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:23.520 to play. It was all this true to life. 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:27.720 They did, Uh, They did take the major themes of 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.920 our lives, like the big move and having to fit 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:35.440 into the new whole wealthier neighborhood because we grew up 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:36.720 middle class and things like that. 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.359 So I think those were portrayed perfectly. 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.880 They added they added things to make it more drama, 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.840 like the girl that was really bad on the team 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:49.960 and was little girl's off the team, and the and 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.920 the guy and the guy that was like sweet looking 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:56.520 guy who we were We were so tall. We were 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.599 taller than most the boys basketball players, so we didn't 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:01.840 have a huge pool of guys. 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:03.360 You know, it was kind of hard. 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.040 That was hard during those dating years, you know, or 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:07.280 height of years. 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:11.480 But they like I was really impressed that the gal 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:11.920 that was. 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:16.120 Playing me Poppy Monroe together and I was still playing 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:20.200 in France when this was being recorded, and she would 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:23.600 write me to see like is this accurate? 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:24.520 Would you do this? 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:28.040 And even down to the details of what we were 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:31.160 wearing and things like that. They did it all. They 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:34.520 did really well. Like the double bike we had that 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:35.480 tandem bike. 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:36.760 Did you really. 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.840 Yes, they found the swin double bike that we ended 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:43.440 up selling at a garage sale. 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.880 I can't believe my mom soeld that at a garage sale, 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.880 but it was like the best bike. And then they 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:53.040 did the washing cars so we never had. 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.760 To My dad never paid for these, like across the 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.479 nation trips with Junior Olympics and all these things we 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.599 did after we after we joined club so High school 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:03.640 was one thing, and then they they said, you know what, 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.159 there's this club that's very interested in you, and it 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:10.680 was you know, Cheryl Miller, Reggie Miller's sister was one 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.480 of the pioneers of this So Cal basketball club, and 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:15.480 so we went out, tried out, and of course they 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.200 took us because we were we had potential. 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:18.040 We didn't even. 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:21.960 Barely make layups. So that was a non accurate part 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.560 of that movie. They made it look like we were 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.080 brand new to this sport and that we actually made 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.360 everything Like if you look how many shots were missed 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:31.840 barely any. 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.080 Well, that's what I think we really we literally looked 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:35.880 it up. It was something like I think we wrote 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.120 it down. There wasn't a shot missed, No one misses 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.280 a basket until an hour and forty minutes into the movie. 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:45.000 Well, that was an awesome stat you guys did, because 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.159 not other people, they don't think about that, but it's 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:48.799 so you're exactly right. 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:50.800 Oh my god. 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:53.200 Kid's always asked those questions. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:54.479 Well, yeah, it's amazing. 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:55.960 I wanted to add something. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.440 See how Heather overlooked something that was pretty important to 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:03.520 me because if you remember, Heidi is always in heather shadow, 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:08.560 one second best, always second best. So they made this 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:13.320 up and it wasn't. So they had Heather this porto 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.560 and Hattie was like in her little under her shadow. 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:20.680 And actually I was the volleyball player. Heather didn't even 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.680 get to play volleyball. Freshman year, I was on. 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:27.080 The I've played. I didn't play. Senior year, I played. 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.840 I know you were injured with the foot ankle from 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.440 the scooter accident in Oregon and you didn't get to well, 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.240 you had to join mid season, but anyway, she didn't. 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.160 I made the team. But particularly I told my mom 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.200 this was the big thing. I love volleyball and I 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:42.920 want to play on the circuit. I want to be 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:46.320 with Pat Zartman and the USA Olympics. I was going 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.440 and I went to start workout. I got on the 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.320 club team for volleyball. They don't mention any of that. 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.560 They have Heather as the volleyball player, and Hettie's just 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.560 sort of like always trying to be as good as Heather. 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.240 And so I was volleyball, and then Heather joined later 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.400 after her injury healed. That's what I remember and then 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.680 we both played, and then we both played volleyball, and 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.000 then I didn't want to As you know, the story goes, 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:09.960 I didn't want to play basketball because I was already 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:10.680 doing volleyball. 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.600 And my dad's like, yeah, my dad's like, just like 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:15.480 next Jersey does not look like our dad. 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:21.560 But I'd say yes, He's like, you are playing you're 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.800 only fourteen years old or you're thirteen, not even fourteen, 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.240 And he's like, you're gonna give it a try one 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.960 season because your sister's gonna do great and you're gonna 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:31.720 miss out and you're gonna be regretful. 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:33.520 So you're gonna play one year. If you don't like 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.360 it after that, you can quit. 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:39.560 And volleyball and basketball are two different seasons at school, right, 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:42.120 so you were able to do both within one year. 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.480 But yeah, I mean, and it'll keep you in shape 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:49.240 some you know, as far as like agility and training 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:49.960 and things like that. 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:51.080 So yeah, I get it. 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.880 Was it true that you were at all interested in 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:59.480 wanting to do drama and venture out. 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.240 So the heather, Yeah, yeah. 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.840 So we had this guy named Jim Bell at PV 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.880 High who was a famous actor from like The Bell 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:11.040 Tolls or something some old sixties like sitcom or something 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:11.320 he was. 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:12.640 I was like, that's cool. 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.000 I want to go out and learn how to learn 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:18.640 drama from this guy. And we when we went to 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.679 New York for the Tournament of Champions, it was not 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.800 for some drama play, you know, so like they we 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.000 went out, We went out for a basketball tournament and 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:28.960 got to go to New York. 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:29.839 So that was true. 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.839 But the drama I ended up taking into college even 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:38.319 at UVA, so I minored in drama, okay, And there 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:43.040 was famous people like Sylvester Salons like UVA had Jessica 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:46.080 Lang and Sam Shepherd and like a lot of famous 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.560 people went through there on in drama, and I always 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:49.800 was interested in it. 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:53.720 So, wow, that's cool, wasn't I was. 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:54.000 Yeah. 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.320 The thing with that also amazed us was because so 0:09:56.360 --> 0:10:00.679 the casting of the film was interesting because obviously they 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:04.320 didn't get identical twins, but they kept lines in like 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:05.920 how do you tell them apart? And I was kind 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.319 of screaming at the screen, like, because they're two different people, 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.880 you can easily tell them apart. But one of the 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:14.720 other things that we found really interesting was that when 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.520 the film started and you're on the bikes and all 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:21.280 that stuff. You're supposed to be twelve or thirteen at 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.480 the start of the movie, And I was like, aren't 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:24.920 they in their late twenties? 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:28.080 Like the women that are playing you. 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.280 You can sEH like not a lot of people the 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:30.560 youth that watch it. 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.360 Like I'm a teacher now, and I just showed it 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:36.960 like just before Easter break, and the kids were all like, 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:38.200 that's you. 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:42.440 Well, I'm like, my gosh, I'm fifty four. What are 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:43.120 you talking about? 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:44.040 That is not me. 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:47.000 You're not fifty four, We're fifty three. 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:51.920 Okay, this year will be fifty four. I don't see 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:53.839 how she has to always correct me. 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.520 So funny. 0:10:56.240 --> 0:11:00.480 Oh that's true, though, what your age do you teach? 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:01.240 Oh? 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.160 I teach fourteen, fifteen six? 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:07.320 Okay, So I swear that's when I saw this movie. 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.560 I was the first time I watched it while it 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:15.880 was out, and I remember not thinking anything about the 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:19.360 fact that these actors look so much older than high 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.400 school kids, junior high kids, and then like you know, 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:25.240 be now going back and watching it like will and 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:29.120 I could not get past it because and then instead 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.960 of because I think they were trying to you know, 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.880 which I think was probably just a huge part of 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.560 your guys' story was, like you said, you being just 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:39.920 such young women that were so tall. 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:42.920 They tried to really show that. 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.040 But in order to do that, they did, in fact 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:47.079 hire eleven year. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:48.320 Olds and twelve year olds to be. 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:51.760 Years old. 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.240 The extras were, but the actors playing the main roles 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:56.720 were so big. 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.160 There was just such a huge difference in age between 0:11:59.200 --> 0:11:59.959 the actor. 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:04.440 So it was definitely something I don't remember watching when 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:08.080 I first watched the movie, and then now it's like, okay, yeah, no, 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.880 those those girls, those ladies are not they are not 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:12.200 teenagers in any sort. 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.120 Yeah, your lenses were different. And of course it's so 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:21.160 funny too. They like I said, they called us, well, 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.480 I don't know if any McClellan called Heidi, but I 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.720 thought it was so mature of the girls to call 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.199 us and to make sure it was. I was like, wow, 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.400 that's the quality actress who will make sure she's portraying 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.199 it exactly like I would want it or do it. 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:40.480 And also they put big platform shoes on them, so 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.760 they're they're wearing like if you if you really look closely, 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:45.719 you can see like that big of a riser on 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:48.400 their basketball shoes and stuff, and they were like their 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.120 dancers and is like, I have a new respect for 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:52.160 basketball players. 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:56.520 I am so sore. That's they kept so sore after 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.240 these basketball workouts. 0:12:57.920 --> 0:12:58.120 You know. 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.840 So I was like, hey, yeah, we you know it's hard. Run. Yeah, 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:04.280 you know, it's great. Yeah. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.760 Was there was there any hesitation at the beginning of 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.040 telling your story? Was there any party that was like, 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.520 I'm not sure that we want anybody to do a 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:12.720 movie about our lives? 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:17.280 Oh? Well, hesitation? Our father it was a lawyer. 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.640 So and he has many lawyer friends, not in the 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.959 entertainment business, real estate law. But you know, once you're 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:27.000 a lawyer and you realize how they could manipulate and 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:28.319 they could make your dad a. 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:29.839 Raging alcoholic when he's not. 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.440 I mean, you do sign a document and this was 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.600 it was pretty when you read it. The document that 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:39.200 we released. We released the rights for them to make 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.360 any story. And my dad's like, we're not sign that, 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.200 you know, And I was like, okay, okay, chill. 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.040 So I got uh And he's now deceased. 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:52.320 But Jerry Gottlieb, we used to be the head MGM 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:54.800 lawyer back in the day, back in the early nineties. 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:56.280 Sure, and I called him up. 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.840 I said, Jerry, I'm w NBA player and he's like, 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.760 I want to do the contract for you in Disney. 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.480 He goes, and just just remember they'll write all that stuff. 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.360 But there I'm looking to be malicious. Yeah, and he 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:08.920 kind of gave me you have to know someone that 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.840 knows the ins and outs, right, And he really consoled 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:13.720 my dad most. 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:16.720 I'm the son of two lawyers as well, so I 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:18.359 know exactly what that's. 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:19.240 Like, right. 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:23.040 I agree, being a part of Disney, you, I'm hoping 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.760 that would ease your guys is concerned a little bit 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:26.840 that they're not gonna. 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.960 Really do any kind of dark backstories. But even still, as. 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.120 A parent, you know, you want to make sure that 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.160 you're not ever being portrayed as somebody who over pushed 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.240 or overdid this. You know, especially when you guys know 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.520 what your real journey was. You know it's it's yes, 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.480 he might have pushed you into doing something, but it 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.360 was to keep you, to make making sure you didn't 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:51.640 have any regrets later, you know, wanting to follow your 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.720 dream and yah, and how hard it is, and I mean, 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.880 look at him, he clearly. 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.080 He did a great job. You guys both had an 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.160 incredible career after. 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.280 You guys pushed and worked so hard during high school 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:02.960 and that's amazing. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.240 Yeah, he pushed us, and they portrayed it a bit, 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:10.560 and it's funny. All the people who know us outside 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.760 of the basketball world actually inside too. They were like, 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.520 your dad pushed you so hard, you know, And it's 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:19.960 so funny because now that I'm a mother and my 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.800 husband's like, we're not pushing our kids, and I was. 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:26.120 Like, that was totally foreign to me, right, it was 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.120 so weird. So not to go into personal, but it's 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:33.240 like there's so different views of how to mold and 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:33.960 and you know. 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:36.720 You know, my dad didn't have to push me as 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.240 much because I was the more obedient ones. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.960 So I didn't even see it at all that way. 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.000 And then they're putting it out there on the. 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.840 On the show and I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:49.720 it kind of looks like he's pushing us, you know, 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:51.920 you know what I mean, Like because I was more 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:54.400 of the subservient loans that would just do it, you know, 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:56.400 and that didn't feel like pushing to me. 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:58.000 I was just supposed to do what I was supposed 0:15:58.000 --> 0:15:59.320 to and that's. 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.320 And a lot of people these days see it and 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.240 they're like, not pushing my kids because there was you know, 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.400 I mean, how do He had to overcome that too, 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.640 because it was kind of punishing to her personality, which was, 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.160 why are you trying to make me be something I'm not? 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:14.480 And that's the. 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:16.640 Big underlying theme that a lot of people won't read 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:20.840 into it, especially youth, is like twins always get treated 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:25.239 as their one person and not two totally different personalities 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.520 even though you look like on the outside, and that 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.040 I think we were. That was portrayed well with the fighting, 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.240 because we fought and fought and fought to try to, 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:34.320 you know, be individual. 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:34.880 Be your own person. 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:38.920 Yeah, I have twin nephews and my sister from day one, 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.240 we and to be honest, like it wasn't on purpose 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.360 or anything, but we would use. 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.240 Them or they a lot. 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:52.160 And my sister was so adamant, no, it's good Hunter 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:53.080 and it's Coulton. 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.560 It is not them, It is not you know she she. 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.480 Has always made it such a big deal and at 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:00.480 first it was kind of like, I'm just I mean, 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.640 I'm just talking about both of them at the same time. 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:04.920 That's so that's why I'm using them and they and 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.520 but now with both of their personalities, they are two 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:12.520 totally different kids into totally different things. And I'm so 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.439 glad that she, you know, really advocated for them, because 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.040 you see that and hear about that with twins quite 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.840 a bit, you know, wanting to be seen as their 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:22.960 own person, not not the same, you. 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.800 Know, and they coaches can see it in certain ways, 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.280 but people don't. They don't even realize they're doing it, 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.240 like they those twins, they do this, they do that. 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.639 I'm like, what you know, Wait, yeah. 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:37.560 I. 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.639 See, I'm the opposite. I have prayed so hard my 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:44.240 whole life to be a twin, and. 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:47.280 Then when I became, when I told her kids, all 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:53.000 I wanted was twins. I wanted so bad my dream. 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:54.879 What a. 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.399 Twins run in my family too, So I was very 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:00.720 really prayed. 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:04.119 For it, and I wanted a twins. 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:06.760 I never was a toWin and I never got them. 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:15.800 Dang it. Were you able to visit the set at 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:16.840 all as they were shooting? 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.800 No, no, they filed in Salt Lake City. 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.040 They did ask us to be in that last scene 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.320 where they throw up the WNBA ball in the game 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.480 and we're going against each other, which never happened because 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.320 I got injured. I got injured with a pretty bad 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:33.800 back injury in ninety nine and had to be released 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:37.239 for Greham. And Heather just got into the league what 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:42.160 in two thousand, two thousand, so she literally we would 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:43.080 have played against each. 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:44.920 Other that season. It's so ironic. 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:47.639 It's so ironic that we were prosed for eight years 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:51.000 and never once played a professional game against each other. 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:54.400 Even they had to make it, you know, yeah, even. 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:57.679 The same town in France. We were both hurt when 0:18:57.760 --> 0:18:58.720 we had to play each other. 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:03.120 And then the WNBA, whenever she was in, I was out. 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.800 It was weird. And then I was just finishing up 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:08.400 May thirty first, and. 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.560 They were gonna do that last scene June second or something, 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:13.960 and I just couldn't fly back from France fast enough. 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:17.359 She was overseas. Yeah, that's what it was. So they 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:18.960 wouldn't wait, they wouldn't. 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:24.800 Wait for like, yeah, seriously, that would have been so epic. 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:27.840 Way better, you know, like just even put us in 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.040 a gym anywhere. I'll fly to Houston and just. 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:32.639 Throw up the ball, you know. Yeah, yeah, that's the 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:33.240 way it to work. 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:37.320 You know, whatever can I interject on the real quickly 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:39.359 about the last thing that you guys said and how 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:42.119 they were saying about personalities we you know, just to 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.000 reiterate what she said is we are on dientical on 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:48.920 the outside, very very black and just opposite on personality. 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:52.200 And my dad was my dad, and I buck ted's 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:52.760 because we're. 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:56.720 Both very hard, strong willed, hard headed, and back then, 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:00.600 if you remember it was eighties, it was early the eighties. 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:04.000 It was eighty five. We started high school. There was 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:07.280 no there wasn't even a circuit for volleyball. I was 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.320 really just going to choose do Olympic. I just wanted 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:10.760 to do it with a great coach and do a 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:12.040 great program and made me play some. 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:15.360 Beach tournaments and that was it. And there was no WNBA. 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.840 We didn't know much about scholarships, so I didn't ever 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:21.040 think about I surely didn't think about playing basketball in 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:24.000 college because I didn't like basketball. 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.359 Right, and then he makes me play. 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:28.280 But what I'm saying is I bucked him so bad, 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:30.639 but because I wasn't old enough. And I think the 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:34.000 best I think the best thing to remember is not 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.960 only the context that this was recreational. 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:39.119 This was not a you're gonna be a pro. You 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:42.120 got to do it now, you know. And it wasn't that. 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:45.639 And then the second thing was I use payback is 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:50.280 sweet because every day every I coach hundreds of kids 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:54.560 in Houston, Texas, and I say, father's no best, and 0:20:54.640 --> 0:21:00.439 the dads are watching, going yeah. 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.000 And I'm like, I was you. I told my dad 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:02.080 I don't want to try it. 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.639 I don't even want to do it, and he's like, no, 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:07.040 You're doing it one season and that's it. And so 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:08.880 all the parents love it, and I get to kind 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.840 of use that as a you know, kids listen to wisdom, 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:13.440 right well. 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:15.400 So, well, now you forced is the wrong word. 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:18.000 You were told that maybe it would be best if 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:19.240 you played a season. 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:22.280 No, no, no, no, Larry Birch didn't didn't like tell 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:22.920 you it was best. 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:23.680 You're doing it? 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:24.080 Okay? 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:27.080 Yeah? 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:29.040 How long did it take after you stepped on the 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:30.679 court for you to find a love for it on 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:31.080 your own? 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:34.919 That's a great question. You know how I told you, 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.199 I'm very stubborn and strong willed. Oh, I was going 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:39.800 to make sure my dad was miserable for the first 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:40.480 few days. 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.160 I was going to come home and stall. 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:47.200 And make sure I hated him. I hate you. If 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:50.280 he's watching television, I hate you. I was so bad 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:54.919 and I'm helpful attest to it. But I remember the 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:57.000 turning point. I was starting. 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.439 You have to sweat so much in basketball. That was 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:00.280 the funniest thing. 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:03.240 Volleyball you stand still a lot in his calfs ring. 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:06.399 You don't really sweat outside. But in the gym, I 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:09.360 started sworting, like, I absolutely do not like this. 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:12.800 And then after two. 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:16.600 Weeks, it was two weeks, I was like, pee wee started. 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:18.840 Heather was doing really great at shooting free throw. She 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.040 was starting free throws and getting layups and I couldn't 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.399 do any of it. And I was like, mold be 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:26.760 durned if I'm gonna do it, just to feed her, right, 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:29.280 That was my first motivation after I met was mad 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:29.720 at my dad. 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:32.119 Then I was like, gosh, basketball is kind of fun. 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:36.720 Then you go really fast and. 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.080 It makes your brain work on all these levels of 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:42.320 like so different than volleyball. There's no net separating you 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:44.399 from the opponent and they can hit you while you shoot, 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:47.640 and it was like this whole dynamic that was it 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:49.320 was definitely after two weeks. 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:53.040 Okay, so two weeks that's pretty quick though. 0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:56.800 I mean I literally, if you ask me what when 0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:59.800 she liked it, I would have said when I got in, 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.840 I actually had pneumonia, not an ankle injury for our 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:06.280 queens in senior year, so I actually had to sit 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:07.200 out for two. 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:09.320 Months right in the middle of the season. 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:13.000 And I thought, literally, that's the when she started liking 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:15.120 it because she was wearing forty four points again. 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:18.920 She just needed that time to shine all by herself. 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:22.280 You know, if you would have asked me, I would 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:24.919 have swore, she said not for years, I had no 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:26.400 idea that much. 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:31.560 Father have we never talked about this. I don't remember 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:33.720 ever talking about this. I remember lots of things. 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:36.240 Let it be on the record. It was two weeks 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:40.040 because it was so fast and fun. I realized, Heather, 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:43.480 why would I play it because all the way to 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:44.360 senior year. 0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:47.320 That didn't make me wanted to Because you wanted to 0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:50.160 play nation, we got to go on the club team. 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:52.920 Yeah, well, I stayed with it. 0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:55.199 After after two weeks there was a turning point and 0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:57.440 I started being intrigued. 0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:59.359 By all the challenges, and I love challenges. 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:01.640 If you tell me I can't make a layup, iile 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:02.560 show you. 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:04.720 You know, that's how we both are. That's kind of 0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:06.959 hard for We're both like that. So we do this 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:07.280 a lot. 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:11.720 Oh man, So wait, okay, so the movie comes out. 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:14.320 Were you together when you saw it? Was there a premiere? 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:15.399 How did how did that work? 0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:15.840 Oh? 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:18.800 I was in California and she was in Texas. It 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:21.520 was in two thousand and two, January two thousand and two. 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:26.200 I remember January eighteenth, two thousand and two, and we called. 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:28.920 We were on the phone live with dad and mom. 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:31.040 I don't remember if my mom was on the phone. 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:33.760 It was the funniest what you guys said comes full circle. 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:36.680 Yeah, yeah, they're minikey every show. 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:39.880 Did you see that they've made every shot out? 0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:45.280 We looked like we did not make any shocks. 0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:50.520 We had so many rebounds because of bricks against the backward. 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:53.760 Just constantly throwing your phone and we would catch it 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:55.840 and we we launched it. 0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:57.760 It was so bad. We tell our kids that when 0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:03.359 we're coaching, do not thing that that is real. It'll 0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:03.920 never happen. 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:05.920 You got to work at it, and that's oh yeah, 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:07.119 just keep working at it. 0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:07.359 You know. 0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:09.640 So, did did one of you have the special move? 0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:11.400 Or was the special move totally made up. 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:14.640 The weird traveling. 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:19.800 That move was not special praveling. 0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:23.320 It has become I don't know if you're aware of this, 0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:25.399 but it has become a meme on the internet. Is 0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:28.359 considered the worst sports scene ever filmed. 0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:31.840 I know, I saw a guy doing one of those 0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:35.159 commentaries on a reel or something, and I was laughing 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:38.480 because I'm like, what did they take a six year 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:40.720 old kid and say, here, make a move or something 0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:42.880 like figure that one. 0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:56.879 Actually, it looks like it was pretty okay. 0:25:56.920 --> 0:26:00.040 So you guys are done the movies out now, you 0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:03.960 guys have also had your career. At what point, because 0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:09.760 when we did the review, the amount of especially young 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:13.119 women who said this was the movie that pushed me 0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.359 to want to be in the WNBA, that wanted me 0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:17.840 to even start playing basketball. 0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:18.440 At what point? 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:20.479 How long did it take for you guys, Because you 0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:24.560 had to have just someone after someone coming up to 0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:28.000 you guys and saying like that DCOM was a turning 0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:30.080 point for me, right, I mean, it was such an 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:32.800 inspirational movie for so many young women out there. 0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:36.720 Yeah, I mean it just it just took off. 0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:40.320 And was it like immediate or what it was for me? 0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:43.320 I don't know. I wasn't even in that crowd. Like 0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:44.800 I wasn't coaching at that time. 0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:46.959 You know. It was funny. 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:49.199 A lot of people know about it, even and not 0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:52.560 out of basketball. So yes, I would run into all 0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:54.760 the time. Oh they're the ones that made the Disney movie. 0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:57.080 Oh my gosh, that was so good, you know. And 0:26:57.119 --> 0:27:00.600 even now, these kids they weren't even born time teaching, 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:03.359 they weren't even born. But everybody knows this movie. They 0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:09.080 I think ESPN, ESPN made a top three or not. 0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:13.359 ESPN was top three did like all star Disney movies. 0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:16.480 And we were with the Super Bud and High School. 0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:20.840 Musical and they as a you know, like I was like, whoa, 0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:23.600 they watch it that much that I guess the. 0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:26.560 Original number one original movie. And I was like, oh, 0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:28.720 they really like kids really like this one. 0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:30.840 Well what did you What did your teammates think? I mean, 0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:32.600 you were still playing when it came out, weren't you? 0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:33.760 I mean did the teammates? 0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:34.920 No, we were done. 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:36.120 Oh you were done by that time. 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:39.040 Yeah, And she had been injured for she had been 0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:40.880 out for a couple of years. So I was actually 0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:43.040 just going back to school, you know, like trying to 0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:44.280 figure out. I knew I was going to be a 0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:46.439 teacher since like sixth grade, so I went back for 0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:47.920 credential and stuff like that. 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:51.520 Wow, I was coaching the Hoop School, which is what 0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:54.639 I do in Houston, Texas, and it's been a really 0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:57.240 great It's just been awesome to be able to share 0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:59.800 the movie with the kids. So during summer camp, it's 0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:02.600 like our whole tradition. Now on Friday, anybody who goes 0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:05.680 to full day camp gets to watch the movie at lunch, and. 0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:08.160 We watch because you only get a forty five minute lunch, so. 0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:10.159 We watch half the movie on Thursday and half the 0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:13.320 movie on Friday. But more than that, it's the fourteen 0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:16.520 year olds that are they realize what you were saying. 0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:19.040 It's like it's a changing point for them when they 0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:23.440 see that I was stubborn and they're identifying with the 0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:26.520 stubborn little thirteen or fourteen year old that thinks he 0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:29.320 doesn't want to play and her dad made her and 0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:31.920 father's no best And you just got it in your 0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:35.199 face and you actually liked the movie. Jeez, you know, 0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:38.920 because the endgame is you win, you know, the kid wins. 0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:41.800 I win, And now I'm doing something I even tell 0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:45.200 the kids, I'm here before you today coaching in a 0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:48.000 sport that I didn't want to play, and I ended 0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:50.040 up making a career out of it and got to 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:53.520 travel the world and play in the WNBA. The top 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:57.640 eighty players of the world were in ninety seven, ninety eight, 0:28:57.760 --> 0:28:59.680 ninety nine the first three years. Then they add a 0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:02.600 team and so Heather was part of that group too. 0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:06.800 This has been an amazing journey, and it was because 0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:09.680 my dad wouldn't put up with stubborn me. 0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:10.560 Right. 0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:13.280 How did your dad feel about the movie? 0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:18.520 And I think they liked it? He said it was 0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:19.160 well done. 0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:22.440 Both of our parents liked it. My mom wasn't a 0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:25.440 big well she was a big fan of being portrayed 0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:28.800 by you. 0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:32.840 Phillips because of the old days of you know, other stuff. 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.600 I can see that, yes, but and my mother, and. 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:38.240 I don't think she did justice to my sweet, gracious mother. 0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:39.560 But she did a great job. 0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:49.160 Try okay yo, who now questions, going back to your 0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:52.000 to your professional days, who's the best player both of 0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:53.120 you have ever played against? 0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:56.560 Good question? 0:29:58.760 --> 0:29:59.120 M M. 0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:03.680 We were so lucky to play with such great players. 0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:09.120 And yeah, Don Staley by far the one that just 0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:14.200 got runner up team national championship. She's she is the 0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:19.280 most selfless player ever in the and and as a 0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:24.480 person too, she's and even like we were, she was 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:28.040 a sophomore, we came in and we dropped half the 0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:30.760 passes because she she had grown up playing with guys 0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:33.040 and her passes were like behind the back, and we 0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:37.560 would just she lost it so many times with this, 0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:41.240 but but never ever like was punishing towards us. She 0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:43.880 could have been so rotten if she wanted to, and 0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:50.600 yet she was so such an amazing strong player. She's 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:51.640 a four time Olympian. 0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:53.480 I was gonna say, she's a mainstay in the Olympia 0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:55.320 and the Hall of. 0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:59.680 Famer in women's and the men's Naysmith Hall of Fame. Okay, 0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:01.960 so does everyone know? I mean, I don't know if 0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:04.880 the audience knows that Heather and I were honored to 0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:08.960 play under We were with Don Staley at University of 0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:13.520 Virginia for three years her sophomore, junior, and senior years, 0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:15.640 and we went to three final fours. Yeah. 0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:16.440 Amazing. 0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:18.080 Yeah, So I. 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:22.160 Agree with Heather that Don Staley would be the highest 0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:26.840 remarkable player on the basketball court as well as person 0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:30.040 that you'd want to be influenced by because of what 0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:30.640 Heather said. 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:32.160 She brought everybody up. 0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:35.920 She was always you know, she would work so hard 0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:38.400 and just lead by example, which you see from a 0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:42.000 person like Caitlyn Clark nowadays, but you see a lot 0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:45.360 more girls talking about it or doing things that are 0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:50.200 more ego centric. Don was very She was surrendered to 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:53.440 winning at all costs, and that meant she knew it 0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:54.120 meant team. 0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:55.520 It wasn't just her. 0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:58.440 She might score thirty points, but actually on that team, 0:31:58.480 --> 0:31:59.680 we had so many good players. 0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:02.200 She might get twenty two because. 0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:05.760 Heather got twelve and I got eight and Tammy got 0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:07.600 you know, we had so many great players scoring equal 0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:08.680 amounts of points. 0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:10.720 And that was another great thing about her. 0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:12.680 She wasn't just like I'm gonna gun it and score 0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:15.040 my forty and you all just wait for the ball. 0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:15.320 Right. 0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:16.920 That's why our team did so well because it was 0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:17.720 really a team. 0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:22.080 Yeah, that was a really great dynasty there because of that. 0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:27.320 And yeah, she also coached at Temple. She went back 0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:29.000 to her roots, which she was from Philly. 0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:31.560 Coached at Temple, did well, but then got that South 0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:35.440 Carolina job and then won three national championship championship. 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:39.640 Yeah, they were Yukon before Yukon. Yes, that's right, yeah. 0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:42.880 Yes, And you know what, she the first one she 0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:47.480 won because we literally lost every national championship. We made 0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:49.800 it to the final game once, we made it to 0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:52.360 the final four three times, we never won. We never 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:56.800 beat Stanford, we never beat Tennessee to go to it anyway. 0:32:57.200 --> 0:33:00.920 So the first win her national championship, she made a 0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:05.600 replica of each of the trophies with a plaque to 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:09.040 each of her teammates from those ones that lost, and 0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:15.200 wrote once what is denied, delayed but not denied, delayed 0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:18.120 but not denied, what is delayed is not denied. 0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:21.480 And then she literally sent us each totally unannounced. 0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:25.760 We got this passage and it's an NCAA Fund the 0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:27.840 Championship trophy with our name. 0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.200 And I was like, she is so unbelievable. 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:32.160 Yeah, that was really cool. 0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:35.120 So rad, Oh my gosh. 0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:38.000 Yeah, she's that kind of person. You read more matter 0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:40.520 in the in the news and things you'll see lately. 0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:43.320 She's just bought a car for a janitor that didn't 0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:46.000 have wheels. She gave a girl a nine hundred dollars 0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:49.080 tip at the Bethay restaurant because she could tell the 0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:52.360 girls struggling, you know, just because she's that and you 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:54.520 know she's never had money. If you knew where she 0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:57.040 came from, she was from the projects in Philly. Ye, 0:33:57.480 --> 0:34:00.360 she got a degree through basketball, She got a degree 0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:03.320 at the University of Virginia. Has become and has become 0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:05.880 one of the best coaches because and we have to say, 0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:09.560 all of us have to know, just remind everybody that 0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:13.040 we we are products of amazing coaches. Yes, and Down 0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:16.719 is clearly a product of Debbie Ryan and all the 0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.120 other coaches that have made her who she is on 0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:22.040 the court. And now she's winning, winning championships and winning 0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:24.759 going to the final four final game again this year. 0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:27.319 Yeah, I have to say, so, both my parents went 0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:30.160 to Yukon and it was it was my mom was 0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:32.200 the one who taught there's three boys, but she my 0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:34.080 mom played basketball in high school, so she's the one 0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:37.200 who taught us how to play basketball. And so Yukon 0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:39.319 Basketball Toss was always the women's team. 0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:41.000 So we've been we've. 0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:44.399 Been following Yukon basketball for my basically my entire life. 0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:47.960 So well, Gino was Debbie's assistance assistant. 0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:52.560 Yeah, before week came there and and Tanya Cordoza, another 0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:56.440 player that was on those dynasty teams, is his assistant to. 0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:59.680 This Day's amazing that she was from like. 0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:00.520 New jer is he or something. 0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:02.439 A lot of the coaches from New Jersey on our 0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:06.439 staff on our team. But it's just like we did 0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:07.120 have like a. 0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:10.600 Family unit there and w was like the mom, you know, she. 0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:13.239 Took care of us like her kids, and we had 0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:17.120 a different you know, nowadays with Nil and everything, you 0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:20.480 miss out on building that dynasty over a four year 0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:25.960 period because anything can change, right, Yeah, But it's just 0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:29.759 like don is Don's still the same today as she 0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:31.439 was the first day we met her. 0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:34.720 And I like, she came here to La to play UCLA. 0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:37.080 In November which was our birth our birthday, and I 0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:38.680 went up to the game and gave her a big 0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:40.479 hug and she sat there and talked to me and 0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:43.759 my my third son, and it was like, this is 0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:44.320 so cool. 0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:47.879 You know, she's going to be anyone different. She's down, 0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:48.279 you know. 0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:50.640 Yeah. Are you happy with the direction of the w 0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:57.640 NBA specifically has been taking lately. 0:35:55.480 --> 0:36:00.680 Yeah, somewhat in regards to which which do you mean, Well. 0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:03.680 There's certainly there's certainly more publicity around the w NBA 0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:05.239 than there has been for a while. Some people would 0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:10.080 argue it's not all good, it's negative. Yeah, that's so yeah. 0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.840 I mean it's in the zeitgeist, but maybe not necessarily 0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:13.880 for the right reasons. 0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:17.440 Well we have that would be a long discussion that 0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:18.319 we don't have time for. 0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:22.480 But no ex kidding, But I think my. 0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:25.600 My thing is, uh, you know, what wins is humility, 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:28.200 and you don't see a lot of humility right now, 0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:32.120 and what wins is Clayton Kaitlin Cloark has humility still 0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:34.360 and I don't know if she will be changed. You know, 0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:37.200 she's early in the league and we I've known people, 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:40.640 right if you know people have been from zero to famous, 0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:44.720 they it changes them. Sure, I think your biggest plight 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:48.000 as that person that's getting into stardom or fame or 0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:49.640 money is that. 0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:51.239 You don't lose who you are. 0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:53.880 And I think and so you know, in their defense 0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:58.200 people it's weighs them. So I'm not I don't want 0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:00.480 to be judgmental, but I'm also you reckon it for 0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:03.400 what it is, sure, And I do think humility just 0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:08.080 attracts And we would love to see more of that 0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:09.960 going on, right. 0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:13.040 And I watched the draft. I watched the WNBA. 0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:16.759 Draft and you know, it was good, it was exciting. 0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:20.640 It's so it's so different, you know, than thirty years ago. 0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:23.480 I can't believe I'm saying thirty years ago. You know 0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:26.239 that it started almost thirty years ago. That's hard to 0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:30.160 even fathom that we're that old. But it's nice that 0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:33.560 there's so many opportunities. It's really nice for the girls 0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:36.880 that there's so much to look forward to where, you know, 0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:40.360 But at the same time, with the nil and everything else, 0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:42.759 it's just a little I think, I don't know, I 0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:45.839 feel like too much focused on money and rather than 0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:46.759 the love of the game. 0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:48.720 So that's just my thinking. 0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:51.399 By the way, pagebackers number one, the number one draft. 0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:52.960 So very very very excited. 0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:53.800 It's awesome. 0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:55.880 She's phenomenal. She really is awesome. 0:37:56.360 --> 0:38:01.920 And from Texas TCU, Oh, Tidy, you sent me her 0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:04.239 he reels the one about. 0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:06.680 From TCU, How do you live in Texas? 0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:07.120 You can't. 0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:09.080 I can't remember the name, Heather. 0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:15.439 I know what you're saying, Yes, yeah, yeah. 0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:17.480 Yeah, I mean there's a lot of opportunities and international players, 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.080 you know, it was so different back when we were 0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:22.680 When we first went over in ninety three, they were 0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:26.160 only allowed two foreigners per team. So every country team 0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.480 was like a high school team in some respects if 0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:32.160 they were middle ground and then they got they paid 0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:34.840 players like us to come over and make their teams. 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:37.239 Then a couple of years into it, it was Bosman rule, 0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:40.239 where if anyone in Europe could just be floating around 0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:44.200 and be considered not a foreigner. So we had no 0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:47.440 French people on my number two team, Like starting lineup, 0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:47.839 it was. 0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:53.240 Belgian, you know, English. It was weird. It was weird. 0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:55.520 But so yeah, so now there are a lot of 0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.160 foreigners are coming here, which is good, you know. 0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:00.560 Yeah, strengths the world's amazing. 0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:05.799 Well, okay, last question, we're twenty years later. What do 0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:08.520 you think the legacy of double teamed is going to be. 0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:14.680 Well, that's that's something you got to think about. 0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:16.400 Yeah, you want how do you want to say it? 0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:18.200 Or you want to say what you do? You can 0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:20.960 go first, we'll each have our answer. I think the 0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.920 legacy of dreaming big. 0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:30.359 And going for setting goals high and going for it 0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:36.560 no matter what, not allowing prior knowledge or anything, just 0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:40.160 to get in your way, not allowing doubt or those 0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:42.600 type of things, and just setting gold and going for 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:48.040 them the dream of, you know, finish doing something great 0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.280 that a young person can have even. 0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:53.200 If they've never played before. 0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:57.439 And I also see the under the theme that had 0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:00.279 he was talking about about listening to your parents, you know, 0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:03.239 listen to your dad. You know, the father knows best 0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:07.719 type of thing, don't I don't see that being as 0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:10.160 big as the other one. Like I tell the kids 0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:13.799 who the kids don't dream now, it's like said, go 0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:17.880 for everything, give it, don't hold back, you know, And 0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:20.640 so that would be what I would say. If you 0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:22.439 know people are watching it twenty years from now, I'm 0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:23.480 hoping they're seeing that. 0:40:24.320 --> 0:40:25.160 Yeah, that's great. 0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:29.680 I like the central theme to me was father knows 0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:32.440 fathers know best because and you have to remember what 0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:33.759 Heather just said didn't apply to me. 0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:36.839 I wasn't dreaming about being a basketball player. And there 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:37.160 I was. 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:40.040 They're approaching me when I'm twenty seven years old. They're 0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:42.959 approaching me about making a movie about a girl basketball player. 0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:43.880 And I didn't even want. 0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:44.280 To be one. 0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:48.160 So that was right, I mean, isn't that funny? And 0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:53.000 then the other thing. I like, they showed how the 0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:57.080 rich it was. To me, it was we moved up 0:40:57.120 --> 0:40:58.080 from Ridondo Beach. 0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:01.920 Ridondo Beach is not a it's a middle class whatever, 0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:04.600 you know, neighborhood. Whereas we went up to Palace Verdes, 0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:08.560 which was an affluent area, right, and they had these kids. 0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:12.440 We were living in some sandy shores, right, So we 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:15.480 were in the ghetto of pollis urge, which there is 0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:20.440 none and we didn't live in the sandy stores. We 0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:22.480 lived in you know, we lived in a very nice 0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:25.440 condominium complex, but we did live in a smaller, you 0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:27.680 know place, and we were sort of the underdogs because 0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:29.840 we didn't have the money that this one kid, Nikki, 0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:33.319 remember in the movie, you see these rich kids, and 0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:35.680 then she all she wanted. She didn't want that money. 0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:38.520 She just wanted her dad to come to a game. 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:43.319 And that, to me, that is that's really great for 0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:46.640 kids to see because they all are sidetracked right now 0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:49.800 with I just want to be rich because rich people 0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:51.000 have it made. 0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:54.160 Well, she didn't have it made. And guess what, at 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:55.279 the end, she ended up. 0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:58.600 Coming to our lame apartment for a lame sandwich that 0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:00.319 my dad made it or my mom made it. 0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:02.760 You remember it was the chili. 0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:04.600 Now you gotta hear this, the real truth on that 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:08.440 one chili, corn chip, cheese dog or whatever it was 0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:11.280 smashed together in the in the. 0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:12.040 Grill form and grill thing. 0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:17.360 Our our actual sandwich that was very unique to our family. 0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:18.279 This is the. 0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:22.920 Yes, yes, yes. 0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:23.400 The document. 0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:24.960 By the way, all of this stuff is in the 0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.800 document that I wrote years ago called fact v Fiction 0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:29.600 about the Disney movie. 0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:30.800 And I'll give it to you if you want to 0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:31.200 put in. 0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:35.759 The notes of these so so they're gonna get a 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:38.840 real sandwich. The real sandwich was the Bird family was. 0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:42.200 Thank you to Mary Birge, our health food mother. She 0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:48.560 would have wheat bread, peanut butter, and lettuce, no nothing else. 0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:49.160 That's it. 0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:55.239 Jelly had sugar, no sugar, no jelly because jelly makes 0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:56.000 the peanut butter. 0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:58.279 No, no peanut butter makes the jelly stick to your 0:42:58.320 --> 0:42:59.400 teeth and you get cavity. 0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:02.080 Yeah, yeah, that was my mom. 0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:05.319 Peter, are we talking? Is this iceberg lettuce? I can't 0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:06.279 believe we've been asking this. 0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:10.080 This is green leafy lettuce. No, you have to have 0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:12.960 the darker greens. They have more vitamins. Come on, Williams. 0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:19.000 Yes, that actually, Heidi and I make everyone laugh because 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:20.280 we still eat those today. 0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:21.439 I'm trying one. 0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:25.560 Literally, I honestly don't think it sounds awful. 0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:31.680 I think it just smotherney. Yeah, smother it, smother it 0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:33.160 with honey, it's even better. 0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:34.080 Okay. 0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:35.160 So it's just called the birch. 0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:38.360 Yeah yeah, And. 0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:43.439 If it was, if it was up to my dad, 0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:45.880 we'd be going to Tommy Burgers for chili burgers. 0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:47.279 Yeah, my dad. 0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:51.279 You all know Tommy Burgers. Yes, that would be his thing, 0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:51.879 for sure. 0:43:52.840 --> 0:43:54.759 I'll take. I'll be honest, I'll take. I'll try the 0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:56.960 other sandwich. I'll try a birge, but I'd rather have 0:43:57.000 --> 0:43:58.960 the Tommy Burger over the over the birge, if I'm 0:43:58.960 --> 0:44:03.160 honest with you. Oh, thank you both so much for 0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:05.160 joining us. This was great and. 0:44:05.040 --> 0:44:06.879 Such a treat for us to actually get to talk 0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:08.799 to the people the movie was about. We haven't had 0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:10.760 a chance to do yet, so this is really really cool. 0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:14.640 This is the this is the neatest thing ever. So 0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:16.759 thank you so much. And uh yeah, well, you know, 0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:18.839 come back and watch another movie with us. Sometimes we'll 0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:20.879 do something nothing to do with anything else. 0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:21.560 You could just come and. 0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:30.759 Play yes. 0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:35.080 You guys, okay, bye bye man. 0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:35.800 That was cool. 0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:36.800 Wow. 0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:40.719 First of all, hearing them kind of go after each 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:42.799 other like siblings is the greatest thing ever. 0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:45.240 Oh man, twins. 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:48.960 It's like because they also have that twin connection that 0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:53.399 they are already expecting to call out the sentence that's 0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:55.280 about to come out of their twins' mouth. 0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:55.879 You know what I mean. 0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:58.600 So they're instantly just like on it, like there's no 0:44:58.719 --> 0:44:59.640 beats in between. 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:02.680 They just like they Oh man, I love it. 0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:05.760 I can't wait to read the fact fact v fiction 0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:07.680 thing because I can't wait to see what because I 0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:09.279 love how they're like, all right, this was right, that's 0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:09.839 not so right? 0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:11.920 This is right. Like little things like they had the 0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:13.960 double bike. We were like, who rides around in a 0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:14.680 double bike? 0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:15.040 I know. 0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:16.719 It. 0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:18.319 I can't even believe it. 0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:20.799 So this is this is why I said this was 0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:22.080 my favorite dcom of all time. 0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:24.160 This is this is why I said it's Rina. 0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:27.040 We all know why I vote voted this as high 0:45:27.040 --> 0:45:28.080 as I did, And it's such a. 0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:31.560 Great true they you just want to keep watching it, 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:34.400 and I'm like, we've already done it our episode, you 0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:35.440 don't need to do it again. 0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:40.799 But that was really really great little bonus episode together that. 0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:44.440 They're both still coaching and still mentoring out there and 0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:50.040 something that they clearly were huge just yea huge presence 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:51.880 in such a you know, just. 0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:55.360 They're also the og when you're there the first season 0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:56.200 of the w NBA. 0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:58.680 I mean, you are the pioneer. You're making this happen, 0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:00.000 which is just so cool. 0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:02.439 I would love to I think I could have done 0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:04.719 another hour on just what they think of what's going 0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:07.120 on in the league and what Oh, I know everything. 0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:10.080 I'd love to hear opinions of people that know it 0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:11.640 a lot better than I do, to hear you know. 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:14.400 Everything, experienced it and are able to kind of see 0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:17.680 through the different aspects of what's going on right now. 0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:20.719 You know a lot of positivity, but you know a 0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:23.799 lot of things to probably kind of bring focus to 0:46:23.920 --> 0:46:24.279 as well. 0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:28.400 Yeah, that was really cool. Everybody, go try a bird sandwich. 0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:29.640 Do give that a shot. 0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:31.719 I think I really actually might do it. 0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:35.000 Which say wheat bread, peanut, butter, and lettuce, let us 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:36.520 and then covered it honey. 0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:37.080 Covered honey. 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:38.479 What the hell? 0:46:38.760 --> 0:46:39.319 It sounds like. 0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:41.120 Something you eat at two o'clock in the morning when 0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:44.920 you're stoned thank you so much for joining us on 0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:46.640 this park Opper episode that was a ton of fun. 0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:49.000 And don't forget to join us over on our other feed, 0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:52.280 where we find the good, the bad, the medium, the ones. 0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:53.799 We remember, the ones we don't remember, the ones we 0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:55.080 talk about, the ones we don't talk about. 0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:57.279 We're watching all the d coms, but. 0:46:57.239 --> 0:46:59.839 We've got to start wrapping it up because we only 0:46:59.880 --> 0:47:04.040 have seventeen thousand left, so we're on the way. 0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:07.680 Thanks everybody for joining us. We'll see you next time. Bye.