Speaker 1: Thank you everybody for joining us on our par copper episode.
Speaker 1: Oh I do this all the time.
Speaker 2: I've backed myself into the special corner because I always
Speaker 2: say it's a special episode.
Speaker 1: But this one is.
Speaker 2: We're doing a bonus special episode because this was so cool.
Speaker 2: This is a first on Magical rewind where we're not
Speaker 2: interviewing Disney Channel Royalty. We're not interviewing We're not even
Speaker 2: interviewing actors or singers or writers. We're interviewing the people
Speaker 2: that made the movie possible because they are what the
Speaker 2: movie is about. Oh my gosh, we are talking about
Speaker 2: the actual twins from Double Teamed. So cool because you know,
Speaker 2: what was based on a true story and we get
Speaker 2: to talk to them today to find out how their
Speaker 2: real life story got aid into a d com.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to get kind of this side of
Speaker 1: the thing is so cool.
Speaker 3: Could you imagine I would freak out if Disney wanted
Speaker 3: to do a movie about my life?
Speaker 4: This is going to be amazing. I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: I don't think they would do that for me. I
Speaker 2: can't imagine they're being their casting ten year old smokers
Speaker 2: to do the Disney Channel movies that wouldn't be a
Speaker 2: good thing, but.
Speaker 1: Anyway, can you please help us?
Speaker 2: Welcome Heidi and Heather Burge. Hey, how are you both
Speaker 2: doing good?
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you know our mission here.
Speaker 2: We were watching all the Disney Channel original movies and
Speaker 2: talking about them.
Speaker 1: We're very happy and for the first time ever, we
Speaker 1: get to talk to the people that the movie was
Speaker 1: based around based on, which is so cool.
Speaker 2: And I'm just wondering if you could tell us how
Speaker 2: did this even come to pass?
Speaker 1: Did Disney call you?
Speaker 2: How to what happens when you get the call from
Speaker 2: Disney Channel saying we want to do a movie about you.
Speaker 5: So we had both been playing overseas basketball professionally for
Speaker 5: at least four seasons or five it must have been
Speaker 5: more than that five seasons or no, four seasons, and
Speaker 5: a singer entertained Singer White Entertainment. It wasn't even Disney
Speaker 5: this entertainment. I guess it's a firm. They decided to
Speaker 5: make a basketball movie for Disney Cable about a girl,
Speaker 5: a female basketball player. And they know they got a
Speaker 5: hold of me because they had my information in the
Speaker 5: media guide of the very first nineteen ninety seven WNBA.
Speaker 5: Heather wasn't playing because she was injured, and I was
Speaker 5: on the LA Sparks, our hometown, and it was so
Speaker 5: cool and they said, hey, you're one of the five
Speaker 5: top five finalists in all the girls of the league.
Speaker 5: I thought, that's awesome, but I'm like, I'm not.
Speaker 6: Going to get it, you know.
Speaker 5: I figured there's so many other people with dramatic stories,
Speaker 5: and I thought, and they liked the drama in my life.
Speaker 5: They liked was that I had a heart surgery when
Speaker 5: I was a baby, and they didn't think my parents
Speaker 5: didn't think I would have a normal life right becaus
Speaker 5: the doctor said so anyway, So they picked that because
Speaker 5: of the drama. And then they found out I had
Speaker 5: a twin and they didn't even know that because they
Speaker 5: had to research more about my life. It wasn't like
Speaker 5: Google back in nineteen ninety seven. It wasn't just everything.
Speaker 5: So they figured out, oh, she's a twin, and Heather
Speaker 5: and Heidie were the we were the tallest female identical twins.
Speaker 5: All this stuff, and they said, we want to make
Speaker 5: the movie about you. And that's when they started the
Speaker 5: writing process, and it was three years of writers. Then
Speaker 5: they sold that product to the Disney Wowes in two thousand.
Speaker 5: They wrote they had three writers in three different years
Speaker 5: ninety seven to two thousand. Meanwhile, Heather I was actually
Speaker 5: exiting the league with an injury. Heather gets in the
Speaker 5: league and then the third writer. They finally have their
Speaker 5: polished script. They submit it to Disney, and Disney buys
Speaker 5: it and they don't even film and release until two
Speaker 5: thousand and two. So it's kind of fun to learn
Speaker 5: that it's like a five year You really don't even
Speaker 5: know when it's gonna pilot, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, geez, So Okay, So when when you were growing
Speaker 2: up was well, I guess the way I want to
Speaker 2: want to phrase it is how how close to real life.
Speaker 1: Did the movie stick to you? I mean?
Speaker 2: Was it was the things we were seeing as you know,
Speaker 2: you're moving from different schools and moving all over the place,
Speaker 2: and you started players and you didn't then didn't want
Speaker 2: to play. It was all this true to life.
Speaker 7: They did, Uh, They did take the major themes of
Speaker 7: our lives, like the big move and having to fit
Speaker 7: into the new whole wealthier neighborhood because we grew up
Speaker 7: middle class and things like that.
Speaker 6: So I think those were portrayed perfectly.
Speaker 7: They added they added things to make it more drama,
Speaker 7: like the girl that was really bad on the team
Speaker 7: and was little girl's off the team, and the and
Speaker 7: the guy and the guy that was like sweet looking
Speaker 7: guy who we were We were so tall. We were
Speaker 7: taller than most the boys basketball players, so we didn't
Speaker 7: have a huge pool of guys.
Speaker 6: You know, it was kind of hard.
Speaker 7: That was hard during those dating years, you know, or
Speaker 7: height of years.
Speaker 6: But they like I was really impressed that the gal
Speaker 6: that was.
Speaker 7: Playing me Poppy Monroe together and I was still playing
Speaker 7: in France when this was being recorded, and she would
Speaker 7: write me to see like is this accurate?
Speaker 6: Would you do this?
Speaker 7: And even down to the details of what we were
Speaker 7: wearing and things like that. They did it all. They
Speaker 7: did really well. Like the double bike we had that
Speaker 7: tandem bike.
Speaker 4: Did you really.
Speaker 7: Yes, they found the swin double bike that we ended
Speaker 7: up selling at a garage sale.
Speaker 6: I can't believe my mom soeld that at a garage sale,
Speaker 6: but it was like the best bike. And then they
Speaker 6: did the washing cars so we never had.
Speaker 7: To My dad never paid for these, like across the
Speaker 7: nation trips with Junior Olympics and all these things we
Speaker 7: did after we after we joined club so High school
Speaker 7: was one thing, and then they they said, you know what,
Speaker 7: there's this club that's very interested in you, and it
Speaker 7: was you know, Cheryl Miller, Reggie Miller's sister was one
Speaker 7: of the pioneers of this So Cal basketball club, and
Speaker 7: so we went out, tried out, and of course they
Speaker 7: took us because we were we had potential.
Speaker 6: We didn't even.
Speaker 7: Barely make layups. So that was a non accurate part
Speaker 7: of that movie. They made it look like we were
Speaker 7: brand new to this sport and that we actually made
Speaker 7: everything Like if you look how many shots were missed
Speaker 7: barely any.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I think we really we literally looked
Speaker 2: it up. It was something like I think we wrote
Speaker 2: it down. There wasn't a shot missed, No one misses
Speaker 2: a basket until an hour and forty minutes into the movie.
Speaker 5: Well, that was an awesome stat you guys did, because
Speaker 5: not other people, they don't think about that, but it's
Speaker 5: so you're exactly right.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: Kid's always asked those questions.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 6: I wanted to add something.
Speaker 5: See how Heather overlooked something that was pretty important to
Speaker 5: me because if you remember, Heidi is always in heather shadow,
Speaker 5: one second best, always second best. So they made this
Speaker 5: up and it wasn't. So they had Heather this porto
Speaker 5: and Hattie was like in her little under her shadow.
Speaker 5: And actually I was the volleyball player. Heather didn't even
Speaker 5: get to play volleyball. Freshman year, I was on.
Speaker 6: The I've played. I didn't play. Senior year, I played.
Speaker 5: I know you were injured with the foot ankle from
Speaker 5: the scooter accident in Oregon and you didn't get to well,
Speaker 5: you had to join mid season, but anyway, she didn't.
Speaker 5: I made the team. But particularly I told my mom
Speaker 5: this was the big thing. I love volleyball and I
Speaker 5: want to play on the circuit. I want to be
Speaker 5: with Pat Zartman and the USA Olympics. I was going
Speaker 5: and I went to start workout. I got on the
Speaker 5: club team for volleyball. They don't mention any of that.
Speaker 5: They have Heather as the volleyball player, and Hettie's just
Speaker 5: sort of like always trying to be as good as Heather.
Speaker 5: And so I was volleyball, and then Heather joined later
Speaker 5: after her injury healed. That's what I remember and then
Speaker 5: we both played, and then we both played volleyball, and
Speaker 5: then I didn't want to As you know, the story goes,
Speaker 5: I didn't want to play basketball because I was already
Speaker 5: doing volleyball.
Speaker 6: And my dad's like, yeah, my dad's like, just like
Speaker 6: next Jersey does not look like our dad.
Speaker 5: But I'd say yes, He's like, you are playing you're
Speaker 5: only fourteen years old or you're thirteen, not even fourteen,
Speaker 5: And he's like, you're gonna give it a try one
Speaker 5: season because your sister's gonna do great and you're gonna
Speaker 5: miss out and you're gonna be regretful.
Speaker 6: So you're gonna play one year. If you don't like
Speaker 6: it after that, you can quit.
Speaker 3: And volleyball and basketball are two different seasons at school, right,
Speaker 3: so you were able to do both within one year.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, and it'll keep you in shape
Speaker 3: some you know, as far as like agility and training
Speaker 3: and things like that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3: Was it true that you were at all interested in
Speaker 3: wanting to do drama and venture out.
Speaker 6: So the heather, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: So we had this guy named Jim Bell at PV
Speaker 7: High who was a famous actor from like The Bell
Speaker 7: Tolls or something some old sixties like sitcom or something
Speaker 7: he was.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's cool.
Speaker 7: I want to go out and learn how to learn
Speaker 7: drama from this guy. And we when we went to
Speaker 7: New York for the Tournament of Champions, it was not
Speaker 7: for some drama play, you know, so like they we
Speaker 7: went out, We went out for a basketball tournament and
Speaker 7: got to go to New York.
Speaker 6: So that was true.
Speaker 7: But the drama I ended up taking into college even
Speaker 7: at UVA, so I minored in drama, okay, And there
Speaker 7: was famous people like Sylvester Salons like UVA had Jessica
Speaker 7: Lang and Sam Shepherd and like a lot of famous
Speaker 7: people went through there on in drama, and I always
Speaker 7: was interested in it.
Speaker 4: So, wow, that's cool, wasn't I was.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The thing with that also amazed us was because so
Speaker 2: the casting of the film was interesting because obviously they
Speaker 2: didn't get identical twins, but they kept lines in like
Speaker 2: how do you tell them apart? And I was kind
Speaker 2: of screaming at the screen, like, because they're two different people,
Speaker 2: you can easily tell them apart. But one of the
Speaker 2: other things that we found really interesting was that when
Speaker 2: the film started and you're on the bikes and all
Speaker 2: that stuff. You're supposed to be twelve or thirteen at
Speaker 2: the start of the movie, And I was like, aren't
Speaker 2: they in their late twenties?
Speaker 1: Like the women that are playing you.
Speaker 6: You can sEH like not a lot of people the
Speaker 6: youth that watch it.
Speaker 7: Like I'm a teacher now, and I just showed it
Speaker 7: like just before Easter break, and the kids were all like,
Speaker 7: that's you.
Speaker 6: Well, I'm like, my gosh, I'm fifty four. What are
Speaker 6: you talking about?
Speaker 1: That is not me.
Speaker 6: You're not fifty four, We're fifty three.
Speaker 7: Okay, this year will be fifty four. I don't see
Speaker 7: how she has to always correct me.
Speaker 6: So funny.
Speaker 3: Oh that's true, though, what your age do you teach?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 6: I teach fourteen, fifteen six?
Speaker 3: Okay, So I swear that's when I saw this movie.
Speaker 3: I was the first time I watched it while it
Speaker 3: was out, and I remember not thinking anything about the
Speaker 3: fact that these actors look so much older than high
Speaker 3: school kids, junior high kids, and then like you know,
Speaker 3: be now going back and watching it like will and
Speaker 3: I could not get past it because and then instead
Speaker 3: of because I think they were trying to you know,
Speaker 3: which I think was probably just a huge part of
Speaker 3: your guys' story was, like you said, you being just
Speaker 3: such young women that were so tall.
Speaker 4: They tried to really show that.
Speaker 3: But in order to do that, they did, in fact
Speaker 3: hire eleven year.
Speaker 4: Olds and twelve year olds to be.
Speaker 1: Years old.
Speaker 3: The extras were, but the actors playing the main roles
Speaker 3: were so big.
Speaker 4: There was just such a huge difference in age between
Speaker 4: the actor.
Speaker 3: So it was definitely something I don't remember watching when
Speaker 3: I first watched the movie, and then now it's like, okay, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: those those girls, those ladies are not they are not
Speaker 3: teenagers in any sort.
Speaker 7: Yeah, your lenses were different. And of course it's so
Speaker 7: funny too. They like I said, they called us, well,
Speaker 7: I don't know if any McClellan called Heidi, but I
Speaker 7: thought it was so mature of the girls to call
Speaker 7: us and to make sure it was. I was like, wow,
Speaker 7: that's the quality actress who will make sure she's portraying
Speaker 7: it exactly like I would want it or do it.
Speaker 7: And also they put big platform shoes on them, so
Speaker 7: they're they're wearing like if you if you really look closely,
Speaker 7: you can see like that big of a riser on
Speaker 7: their basketball shoes and stuff, and they were like their
Speaker 7: dancers and is like, I have a new respect for
Speaker 7: basketball players.
Speaker 6: I am so sore. That's they kept so sore after
Speaker 6: these basketball workouts.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: So I was like, hey, yeah, we you know it's hard. Run. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, it's great. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Was there was there any hesitation at the beginning of
Speaker 2: telling your story? Was there any party that was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that we want anybody to do a
Speaker 2: movie about our lives?
Speaker 6: Oh? Well, hesitation? Our father it was a lawyer.
Speaker 5: So and he has many lawyer friends, not in the
Speaker 5: entertainment business, real estate law. But you know, once you're
Speaker 5: a lawyer and you realize how they could manipulate and
Speaker 5: they could make your dad a.
Speaker 6: Raging alcoholic when he's not.
Speaker 5: I mean, you do sign a document and this was
Speaker 5: it was pretty when you read it. The document that
Speaker 5: we released. We released the rights for them to make
Speaker 5: any story. And my dad's like, we're not sign that,
Speaker 5: you know, And I was like, okay, okay, chill.
Speaker 6: So I got uh And he's now deceased.
Speaker 5: But Jerry Gottlieb, we used to be the head MGM
Speaker 5: lawyer back in the day, back in the early nineties.
Speaker 6: Sure, and I called him up.
Speaker 5: I said, Jerry, I'm w NBA player and he's like,
Speaker 5: I want to do the contract for you in Disney.
Speaker 5: He goes, and just just remember they'll write all that stuff.
Speaker 5: But there I'm looking to be malicious. Yeah, and he
Speaker 5: kind of gave me you have to know someone that
Speaker 5: knows the ins and outs, right, And he really consoled
Speaker 5: my dad most.
Speaker 2: I'm the son of two lawyers as well, so I
Speaker 2: know exactly what that's.
Speaker 6: Like, right.
Speaker 3: I agree, being a part of Disney, you, I'm hoping
Speaker 3: that would ease your guys is concerned a little bit
Speaker 3: that they're not gonna.
Speaker 4: Really do any kind of dark backstories. But even still, as.
Speaker 3: A parent, you know, you want to make sure that
Speaker 3: you're not ever being portrayed as somebody who over pushed
Speaker 3: or overdid this. You know, especially when you guys know
Speaker 3: what your real journey was. You know it's it's yes,
Speaker 3: he might have pushed you into doing something, but it
Speaker 3: was to keep you, to make making sure you didn't
Speaker 3: have any regrets later, you know, wanting to follow your
Speaker 3: dream and yah, and how hard it is, and I mean,
Speaker 3: look at him, he clearly.
Speaker 4: He did a great job. You guys both had an
Speaker 4: incredible career after.
Speaker 3: You guys pushed and worked so hard during high school
Speaker 3: and that's amazing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he pushed us, and they portrayed it a bit,
Speaker 7: and it's funny. All the people who know us outside
Speaker 7: of the basketball world actually inside too. They were like,
Speaker 7: your dad pushed you so hard, you know, And it's
Speaker 7: so funny because now that I'm a mother and my
Speaker 7: husband's like, we're not pushing our kids, and I was.
Speaker 6: Like, that was totally foreign to me, right, it was
Speaker 6: so weird. So not to go into personal, but it's
Speaker 6: like there's so different views of how to mold and
Speaker 6: and you know.
Speaker 7: You know, my dad didn't have to push me as
Speaker 7: much because I was the more obedient ones.
Speaker 6: So I didn't even see it at all that way.
Speaker 6: And then they're putting it out there on the.
Speaker 7: On the show and I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess
Speaker 7: it kind of looks like he's pushing us, you know,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, Like because I was more
Speaker 7: of the subservient loans that would just do it, you know,
Speaker 7: and that didn't feel like pushing to me.
Speaker 6: I was just supposed to do what I was supposed
Speaker 6: to and that's.
Speaker 7: And a lot of people these days see it and
Speaker 7: they're like, not pushing my kids because there was you know,
Speaker 7: I mean, how do He had to overcome that too,
Speaker 7: because it was kind of punishing to her personality, which was,
Speaker 7: why are you trying to make me be something I'm not?
Speaker 6: And that's the.
Speaker 7: Big underlying theme that a lot of people won't read
Speaker 7: into it, especially youth, is like twins always get treated
Speaker 7: as their one person and not two totally different personalities
Speaker 7: even though you look like on the outside, and that
Speaker 7: I think we were. That was portrayed well with the fighting,
Speaker 7: because we fought and fought and fought to try to,
Speaker 7: you know, be individual.
Speaker 4: Be your own person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have twin nephews and my sister from day one,
Speaker 3: we and to be honest, like it wasn't on purpose
Speaker 3: or anything, but we would use.
Speaker 4: Them or they a lot.
Speaker 3: And my sister was so adamant, no, it's good Hunter
Speaker 3: and it's Coulton.
Speaker 4: It is not them, It is not you know she she.
Speaker 3: Has always made it such a big deal and at
Speaker 3: first it was kind of like, I'm just I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm just talking about both of them at the same time.
Speaker 3: That's so that's why I'm using them and they and
Speaker 3: but now with both of their personalities, they are two
Speaker 3: totally different kids into totally different things. And I'm so
Speaker 3: glad that she, you know, really advocated for them, because
Speaker 3: you see that and hear about that with twins quite
Speaker 3: a bit, you know, wanting to be seen as their
Speaker 3: own person, not not the same, you.
Speaker 7: Know, and they coaches can see it in certain ways,
Speaker 7: but people don't. They don't even realize they're doing it,
Speaker 7: like they those twins, they do this, they do that.
Speaker 6: I'm like, what you know, Wait, yeah.
Speaker 7: I.
Speaker 4: See, I'm the opposite. I have prayed so hard my
Speaker 4: whole life to be a twin, and.
Speaker 3: Then when I became, when I told her kids, all
Speaker 3: I wanted was twins. I wanted so bad my dream.
Speaker 4: What a.
Speaker 3: Twins run in my family too, So I was very
Speaker 3: really prayed.
Speaker 1: For it, and I wanted a twins.
Speaker 4: I never was a toWin and I never got them.
Speaker 1: Dang it. Were you able to visit the set at
Speaker 1: all as they were shooting?
Speaker 6: No, no, they filed in Salt Lake City.
Speaker 5: They did ask us to be in that last scene
Speaker 5: where they throw up the WNBA ball in the game
Speaker 5: and we're going against each other, which never happened because
Speaker 5: I got injured. I got injured with a pretty bad
Speaker 5: back injury in ninety nine and had to be released
Speaker 5: for Greham. And Heather just got into the league what
Speaker 5: in two thousand, two thousand, so she literally we would
Speaker 5: have played against each.
Speaker 6: Other that season. It's so ironic.
Speaker 7: It's so ironic that we were prosed for eight years
Speaker 7: and never once played a professional game against each other.
Speaker 6: Even they had to make it, you know, yeah, even.
Speaker 7: The same town in France. We were both hurt when
Speaker 7: we had to play each other.
Speaker 6: And then the WNBA, whenever she was in, I was out.
Speaker 6: It was weird. And then I was just finishing up
Speaker 6: May thirty first, and.
Speaker 7: They were gonna do that last scene June second or something,
Speaker 7: and I just couldn't fly back from France fast enough.
Speaker 6: She was overseas. Yeah, that's what it was. So they
Speaker 6: wouldn't wait, they wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Wait for like, yeah, seriously, that would have been so epic.
Speaker 7: Way better, you know, like just even put us in
Speaker 7: a gym anywhere. I'll fly to Houston and just.
Speaker 6: Throw up the ball, you know. Yeah, yeah, that's the
Speaker 6: way it to work.
Speaker 5: You know, whatever can I interject on the real quickly
Speaker 5: about the last thing that you guys said and how
Speaker 5: they were saying about personalities we you know, just to
Speaker 5: reiterate what she said is we are on dientical on
Speaker 5: the outside, very very black and just opposite on personality.
Speaker 6: And my dad was my dad, and I buck ted's
Speaker 6: because we're.
Speaker 5: Both very hard, strong willed, hard headed, and back then,
Speaker 5: if you remember it was eighties, it was early the eighties.
Speaker 5: It was eighty five. We started high school. There was
Speaker 5: no there wasn't even a circuit for volleyball. I was
Speaker 5: really just going to choose do Olympic. I just wanted
Speaker 5: to do it with a great coach and do a
Speaker 5: great program and made me play some.
Speaker 6: Beach tournaments and that was it. And there was no WNBA.
Speaker 5: We didn't know much about scholarships, so I didn't ever
Speaker 5: think about I surely didn't think about playing basketball in
Speaker 5: college because I didn't like basketball.
Speaker 6: Right, and then he makes me play.
Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is I bucked him so bad,
Speaker 5: but because I wasn't old enough. And I think the
Speaker 5: best I think the best thing to remember is not
Speaker 5: only the context that this was recreational.
Speaker 6: This was not a you're gonna be a pro. You
Speaker 6: got to do it now, you know. And it wasn't that.
Speaker 5: And then the second thing was I use payback is
Speaker 5: sweet because every day every I coach hundreds of kids
Speaker 5: in Houston, Texas, and I say, father's no best, and
Speaker 5: the dads are watching, going yeah.
Speaker 6: And I'm like, I was you. I told my dad
Speaker 6: I don't want to try it.
Speaker 5: I don't even want to do it, and he's like, no,
Speaker 5: You're doing it one season and that's it. And so
Speaker 5: all the parents love it, and I get to kind
Speaker 5: of use that as a you know, kids listen to wisdom,
Speaker 5: right well.
Speaker 1: So, well, now you forced is the wrong word.
Speaker 2: You were told that maybe it would be best if
Speaker 2: you played a season.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, Larry Birch didn't didn't like tell
Speaker 5: you it was best.
Speaker 6: You're doing it?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How long did it take after you stepped on the
Speaker 2: court for you to find a love for it on
Speaker 2: your own?
Speaker 5: That's a great question. You know how I told you,
Speaker 5: I'm very stubborn and strong willed. Oh, I was going
Speaker 5: to make sure my dad was miserable for the first
Speaker 5: few days.
Speaker 6: I was going to come home and stall.
Speaker 5: And make sure I hated him. I hate you. If
Speaker 5: he's watching television, I hate you. I was so bad
Speaker 5: and I'm helpful attest to it. But I remember the
Speaker 5: turning point. I was starting.
Speaker 6: You have to sweat so much in basketball. That was
Speaker 6: the funniest thing.
Speaker 5: Volleyball you stand still a lot in his calfs ring.
Speaker 5: You don't really sweat outside. But in the gym, I
Speaker 5: started sworting, like, I absolutely do not like this.
Speaker 6: And then after two.
Speaker 5: Weeks, it was two weeks, I was like, pee wee started.
Speaker 5: Heather was doing really great at shooting free throw. She
Speaker 5: was starting free throws and getting layups and I couldn't
Speaker 5: do any of it. And I was like, mold be
Speaker 5: durned if I'm gonna do it, just to feed her, right,
Speaker 5: That was my first motivation after I met was mad
Speaker 5: at my dad.
Speaker 6: Then I was like, gosh, basketball is kind of fun.
Speaker 6: Then you go really fast and.
Speaker 5: It makes your brain work on all these levels of
Speaker 5: like so different than volleyball. There's no net separating you
Speaker 5: from the opponent and they can hit you while you shoot,
Speaker 5: and it was like this whole dynamic that was it
Speaker 5: was definitely after two weeks.
Speaker 4: Okay, so two weeks that's pretty quick though.
Speaker 7: I mean I literally, if you ask me what when
Speaker 7: she liked it, I would have said when I got in,
Speaker 7: I actually had pneumonia, not an ankle injury for our
Speaker 7: queens in senior year, so I actually had to sit
Speaker 7: out for two.
Speaker 6: Months right in the middle of the season.
Speaker 7: And I thought, literally, that's the when she started liking
Speaker 7: it because she was wearing forty four points again.
Speaker 6: She just needed that time to shine all by herself.
Speaker 7: You know, if you would have asked me, I would
Speaker 7: have swore, she said not for years, I had no
Speaker 7: idea that much.
Speaker 6: Father have we never talked about this. I don't remember
Speaker 6: ever talking about this. I remember lots of things.
Speaker 5: Let it be on the record. It was two weeks
Speaker 5: because it was so fast and fun. I realized, Heather,
Speaker 5: why would I play it because all the way to
Speaker 5: senior year.
Speaker 7: That didn't make me wanted to Because you wanted to
Speaker 7: play nation, we got to go on the club team.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I stayed with it.
Speaker 5: After after two weeks there was a turning point and
Speaker 5: I started being intrigued.
Speaker 6: By all the challenges, and I love challenges.
Speaker 5: If you tell me I can't make a layup, iile
Speaker 5: show you.
Speaker 6: You know, that's how we both are. That's kind of
Speaker 6: hard for We're both like that. So we do this
Speaker 6: a lot.
Speaker 2: Oh man, So wait, okay, so the movie comes out.
Speaker 2: Were you together when you saw it? Was there a premiere?
Speaker 2: How did how did that work?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 7: I was in California and she was in Texas. It
Speaker 7: was in two thousand and two, January two thousand and two.
Speaker 5: I remember January eighteenth, two thousand and two, and we called.
Speaker 5: We were on the phone live with dad and mom.
Speaker 5: I don't remember if my mom was on the phone.
Speaker 5: It was the funniest what you guys said comes full circle.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they're minikey every show.
Speaker 5: Did you see that they've made every shot out?
Speaker 6: We looked like we did not make any shocks.
Speaker 7: We had so many rebounds because of bricks against the backward.
Speaker 7: Just constantly throwing your phone and we would catch it
Speaker 7: and we we launched it.
Speaker 6: It was so bad. We tell our kids that when
Speaker 6: we're coaching, do not thing that that is real. It'll
Speaker 6: never happen.
Speaker 7: You got to work at it, and that's oh yeah,
Speaker 7: just keep working at it.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: So, did did one of you have the special move?
Speaker 1: Or was the special move totally made up.
Speaker 6: The weird traveling.
Speaker 3: That move was not special praveling.
Speaker 2: It has become I don't know if you're aware of this,
Speaker 2: but it has become a meme on the internet. Is
Speaker 2: considered the worst sports scene ever filmed.
Speaker 7: I know, I saw a guy doing one of those
Speaker 7: commentaries on a reel or something, and I was laughing
Speaker 7: because I'm like, what did they take a six year
Speaker 7: old kid and say, here, make a move or something
Speaker 7: like figure that one.
Speaker 4: Actually, it looks like it was pretty okay.
Speaker 3: So you guys are done the movies out now, you
Speaker 3: guys have also had your career. At what point, because
Speaker 3: when we did the review, the amount of especially young
Speaker 3: women who said this was the movie that pushed me
Speaker 3: to want to be in the WNBA, that wanted me
Speaker 3: to even start playing basketball.
Speaker 4: At what point?
Speaker 3: How long did it take for you guys, Because you
Speaker 3: had to have just someone after someone coming up to
Speaker 3: you guys and saying like that DCOM was a turning
Speaker 3: point for me, right, I mean, it was such an
Speaker 3: inspirational movie for so many young women out there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it just it just took off.
Speaker 4: And was it like immediate or what it was for me?
Speaker 7: I don't know. I wasn't even in that crowd. Like
Speaker 7: I wasn't coaching at that time.
Speaker 6: You know. It was funny.
Speaker 7: A lot of people know about it, even and not
Speaker 7: out of basketball. So yes, I would run into all
Speaker 7: the time. Oh they're the ones that made the Disney movie.
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, that was so good, you know. And
Speaker 7: even now, these kids they weren't even born time teaching,
Speaker 7: they weren't even born. But everybody knows this movie. They
Speaker 7: I think ESPN, ESPN made a top three or not.
Speaker 6: ESPN was top three did like all star Disney movies.
Speaker 6: And we were with the Super Bud and High School.
Speaker 7: Musical and they as a you know, like I was like, whoa,
Speaker 7: they watch it that much that I guess the.
Speaker 6: Original number one original movie. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: they really like kids really like this one.
Speaker 2: Well what did you What did your teammates think? I mean,
Speaker 2: you were still playing when it came out, weren't you?
Speaker 2: I mean did the teammates?
Speaker 6: No, we were done.
Speaker 1: Oh you were done by that time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And she had been injured for she had been
Speaker 7: out for a couple of years. So I was actually
Speaker 7: just going back to school, you know, like trying to
Speaker 7: figure out. I knew I was going to be a
Speaker 7: teacher since like sixth grade, so I went back for
Speaker 7: credential and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Wow, I was coaching the Hoop School, which is what
Speaker 5: I do in Houston, Texas, and it's been a really
Speaker 5: great It's just been awesome to be able to share
Speaker 5: the movie with the kids. So during summer camp, it's
Speaker 5: like our whole tradition. Now on Friday, anybody who goes
Speaker 5: to full day camp gets to watch the movie at lunch, and.
Speaker 6: We watch because you only get a forty five minute lunch, so.
Speaker 5: We watch half the movie on Thursday and half the
Speaker 5: movie on Friday. But more than that, it's the fourteen
Speaker 5: year olds that are they realize what you were saying.
Speaker 5: It's like it's a changing point for them when they
Speaker 5: see that I was stubborn and they're identifying with the
Speaker 5: stubborn little thirteen or fourteen year old that thinks he
Speaker 5: doesn't want to play and her dad made her and
Speaker 5: father's no best And you just got it in your
Speaker 5: face and you actually liked the movie. Jeez, you know,
Speaker 5: because the endgame is you win, you know, the kid wins.
Speaker 5: I win, And now I'm doing something I even tell
Speaker 5: the kids, I'm here before you today coaching in a
Speaker 5: sport that I didn't want to play, and I ended
Speaker 5: up making a career out of it and got to
Speaker 5: travel the world and play in the WNBA. The top
Speaker 5: eighty players of the world were in ninety seven, ninety eight,
Speaker 5: ninety nine the first three years. Then they add a
Speaker 5: team and so Heather was part of that group too.
Speaker 5: This has been an amazing journey, and it was because
Speaker 5: my dad wouldn't put up with stubborn me.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: How did your dad feel about the movie?
Speaker 6: And I think they liked it? He said it was
Speaker 6: well done.
Speaker 5: Both of our parents liked it. My mom wasn't a
Speaker 5: big well she was a big fan of being portrayed
Speaker 5: by you.
Speaker 6: Phillips because of the old days of you know, other stuff.
Speaker 1: I can see that, yes, but and my mother, and.
Speaker 6: I don't think she did justice to my sweet, gracious mother.
Speaker 6: But she did a great job.
Speaker 8: Try okay yo, who now questions, going back to your
Speaker 8: to your professional days, who's the best player both of
Speaker 8: you have ever played against?
Speaker 6: Good question?
Speaker 7: M M.
Speaker 6: We were so lucky to play with such great players.
Speaker 7: And yeah, Don Staley by far the one that just
Speaker 7: got runner up team national championship. She's she is the
Speaker 7: most selfless player ever in the and and as a
Speaker 7: person too, she's and even like we were, she was
Speaker 7: a sophomore, we came in and we dropped half the
Speaker 7: passes because she she had grown up playing with guys
Speaker 7: and her passes were like behind the back, and we
Speaker 7: would just she lost it so many times with this,
Speaker 7: but but never ever like was punishing towards us. She
Speaker 7: could have been so rotten if she wanted to, and
Speaker 7: yet she was so such an amazing strong player. She's
Speaker 7: a four time Olympian.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, she's a mainstay in the Olympia
Speaker 1: and the Hall of.
Speaker 5: Famer in women's and the men's Naysmith Hall of Fame. Okay,
Speaker 5: so does everyone know? I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 5: the audience knows that Heather and I were honored to
Speaker 5: play under We were with Don Staley at University of
Speaker 5: Virginia for three years her sophomore, junior, and senior years,
Speaker 5: and we went to three final fours. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I.
Speaker 5: Agree with Heather that Don Staley would be the highest
Speaker 5: remarkable player on the basketball court as well as person
Speaker 5: that you'd want to be influenced by because of what
Speaker 5: Heather said.
Speaker 6: She brought everybody up.
Speaker 5: She was always you know, she would work so hard
Speaker 5: and just lead by example, which you see from a
Speaker 5: person like Caitlyn Clark nowadays, but you see a lot
Speaker 5: more girls talking about it or doing things that are
Speaker 5: more ego centric. Don was very She was surrendered to
Speaker 5: winning at all costs, and that meant she knew it
Speaker 5: meant team.
Speaker 6: It wasn't just her.
Speaker 5: She might score thirty points, but actually on that team,
Speaker 5: we had so many good players.
Speaker 6: She might get twenty two because.
Speaker 5: Heather got twelve and I got eight and Tammy got
Speaker 5: you know, we had so many great players scoring equal
Speaker 5: amounts of points.
Speaker 6: And that was another great thing about her.
Speaker 5: She wasn't just like I'm gonna gun it and score
Speaker 5: my forty and you all just wait for the ball.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: That's why our team did so well because it was
Speaker 6: really a team.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was a really great dynasty there because of that.
Speaker 6: And yeah, she also coached at Temple. She went back
Speaker 6: to her roots, which she was from Philly.
Speaker 7: Coached at Temple, did well, but then got that South
Speaker 7: Carolina job and then won three national championship championship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were Yukon before Yukon. Yes, that's right, yeah.
Speaker 7: Yes, And you know what, she the first one she
Speaker 7: won because we literally lost every national championship. We made
Speaker 7: it to the final game once, we made it to
Speaker 7: the final four three times, we never won. We never
Speaker 7: beat Stanford, we never beat Tennessee to go to it anyway.
Speaker 7: So the first win her national championship, she made a
Speaker 7: replica of each of the trophies with a plaque to
Speaker 7: each of her teammates from those ones that lost, and
Speaker 7: wrote once what is denied, delayed but not denied, delayed
Speaker 7: but not denied, what is delayed is not denied.
Speaker 6: And then she literally sent us each totally unannounced.
Speaker 7: We got this passage and it's an NCAA Fund the
Speaker 7: Championship trophy with our name.
Speaker 6: And I was like, she is so unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was really cool.
Speaker 4: So rad, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's that kind of person. You read more matter
Speaker 5: in the in the news and things you'll see lately.
Speaker 5: She's just bought a car for a janitor that didn't
Speaker 5: have wheels. She gave a girl a nine hundred dollars
Speaker 5: tip at the Bethay restaurant because she could tell the
Speaker 5: girls struggling, you know, just because she's that and you
Speaker 5: know she's never had money. If you knew where she
Speaker 5: came from, she was from the projects in Philly. Ye,
Speaker 5: she got a degree through basketball, She got a degree
Speaker 5: at the University of Virginia. Has become and has become
Speaker 5: one of the best coaches because and we have to say,
Speaker 5: all of us have to know, just remind everybody that
Speaker 5: we we are products of amazing coaches. Yes, and Down
Speaker 5: is clearly a product of Debbie Ryan and all the
Speaker 5: other coaches that have made her who she is on
Speaker 5: the court. And now she's winning, winning championships and winning
Speaker 5: going to the final four final game again this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to say, so, both my parents went
Speaker 2: to Yukon and it was it was my mom was
Speaker 2: the one who taught there's three boys, but she my
Speaker 2: mom played basketball in high school, so she's the one
Speaker 2: who taught us how to play basketball. And so Yukon
Speaker 2: Basketball Toss was always the women's team.
Speaker 1: So we've been we've.
Speaker 2: Been following Yukon basketball for my basically my entire life.
Speaker 6: So well, Gino was Debbie's assistance assistant.
Speaker 7: Yeah, before week came there and and Tanya Cordoza, another
Speaker 7: player that was on those dynasty teams, is his assistant to.
Speaker 1: This Day's amazing that she was from like.
Speaker 6: New jer is he or something.
Speaker 7: A lot of the coaches from New Jersey on our
Speaker 7: staff on our team. But it's just like we did
Speaker 7: have like a.
Speaker 6: Family unit there and w was like the mom, you know, she.
Speaker 7: Took care of us like her kids, and we had
Speaker 7: a different you know, nowadays with Nil and everything, you
Speaker 7: miss out on building that dynasty over a four year
Speaker 7: period because anything can change, right, Yeah, But it's just
Speaker 7: like don is Don's still the same today as she
Speaker 7: was the first day we met her.
Speaker 6: And I like, she came here to La to play UCLA.
Speaker 7: In November which was our birth our birthday, and I
Speaker 7: went up to the game and gave her a big
Speaker 7: hug and she sat there and talked to me and
Speaker 7: my my third son, and it was like, this is
Speaker 7: so cool.
Speaker 6: You know, she's going to be anyone different. She's down,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Are you happy with the direction of the w
Speaker 2: NBA specifically has been taking lately.
Speaker 6: Yeah, somewhat in regards to which which do you mean, Well.
Speaker 2: There's certainly there's certainly more publicity around the w NBA
Speaker 2: than there has been for a while. Some people would
Speaker 2: argue it's not all good, it's negative. Yeah, that's so yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it's in the zeitgeist, but maybe not necessarily
Speaker 2: for the right reasons.
Speaker 5: Well we have that would be a long discussion that
Speaker 5: we don't have time for.
Speaker 6: But no ex kidding, But I think my.
Speaker 5: My thing is, uh, you know, what wins is humility,
Speaker 5: and you don't see a lot of humility right now,
Speaker 5: and what wins is Clayton Kaitlin Cloark has humility still
Speaker 5: and I don't know if she will be changed. You know,
Speaker 5: she's early in the league and we I've known people,
Speaker 5: right if you know people have been from zero to famous,
Speaker 5: they it changes them. Sure, I think your biggest plight
Speaker 5: as that person that's getting into stardom or fame or
Speaker 5: money is that.
Speaker 6: You don't lose who you are.
Speaker 5: And I think and so you know, in their defense
Speaker 5: people it's weighs them. So I'm not I don't want
Speaker 5: to be judgmental, but I'm also you reckon it for
Speaker 5: what it is, sure, And I do think humility just
Speaker 5: attracts And we would love to see more of that
Speaker 5: going on, right.
Speaker 6: And I watched the draft. I watched the WNBA.
Speaker 7: Draft and you know, it was good, it was exciting.
Speaker 7: It's so it's so different, you know, than thirty years ago.
Speaker 7: I can't believe I'm saying thirty years ago. You know
Speaker 7: that it started almost thirty years ago. That's hard to
Speaker 7: even fathom that we're that old. But it's nice that
Speaker 7: there's so many opportunities. It's really nice for the girls
Speaker 7: that there's so much to look forward to where, you know,
Speaker 7: But at the same time, with the nil and everything else,
Speaker 7: it's just a little I think, I don't know, I
Speaker 7: feel like too much focused on money and rather than
Speaker 7: the love of the game.
Speaker 6: So that's just my thinking.
Speaker 2: By the way, pagebackers number one, the number one draft.
Speaker 2: So very very very excited.
Speaker 6: It's awesome.
Speaker 1: She's phenomenal. She really is awesome.
Speaker 7: And from Texas TCU, Oh, Tidy, you sent me her
Speaker 7: he reels the one about.
Speaker 6: From TCU, How do you live in Texas?
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 6: I can't remember the name, Heather.
Speaker 5: I know what you're saying, Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of opportunities and international players,
Speaker 7: you know, it was so different back when we were
Speaker 7: When we first went over in ninety three, they were
Speaker 7: only allowed two foreigners per team. So every country team
Speaker 7: was like a high school team in some respects if
Speaker 7: they were middle ground and then they got they paid
Speaker 7: players like us to come over and make their teams.
Speaker 7: Then a couple of years into it, it was Bosman rule,
Speaker 7: where if anyone in Europe could just be floating around
Speaker 7: and be considered not a foreigner. So we had no
Speaker 7: French people on my number two team, Like starting lineup,
Speaker 7: it was.
Speaker 6: Belgian, you know, English. It was weird. It was weird.
Speaker 7: But so yeah, so now there are a lot of
Speaker 7: foreigners are coming here, which is good, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, strengths the world's amazing.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, last question, we're twenty years later. What do
Speaker 2: you think the legacy of double teamed is going to be.
Speaker 5: Well, that's that's something you got to think about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you want how do you want to say it?
Speaker 6: Or you want to say what you do? You can
Speaker 6: go first, we'll each have our answer. I think the
Speaker 6: legacy of dreaming big.
Speaker 7: And going for setting goals high and going for it
Speaker 7: no matter what, not allowing prior knowledge or anything, just
Speaker 7: to get in your way, not allowing doubt or those
Speaker 7: type of things, and just setting gold and going for
Speaker 7: them the dream of, you know, finish doing something great
Speaker 7: that a young person can have even.
Speaker 6: If they've never played before.
Speaker 7: And I also see the under the theme that had
Speaker 7: he was talking about about listening to your parents, you know,
Speaker 7: listen to your dad. You know, the father knows best
Speaker 7: type of thing, don't I don't see that being as
Speaker 7: big as the other one. Like I tell the kids
Speaker 7: who the kids don't dream now, it's like said, go
Speaker 7: for everything, give it, don't hold back, you know, And
Speaker 7: so that would be what I would say. If you
Speaker 7: know people are watching it twenty years from now, I'm
Speaker 7: hoping they're seeing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 5: I like the central theme to me was father knows
Speaker 5: fathers know best because and you have to remember what
Speaker 5: Heather just said didn't apply to me.
Speaker 6: I wasn't dreaming about being a basketball player. And there
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 5: They're approaching me when I'm twenty seven years old. They're
Speaker 5: approaching me about making a movie about a girl basketball player.
Speaker 5: And I didn't even want.
Speaker 4: To be one.
Speaker 6: So that was right, I mean, isn't that funny? And
Speaker 6: then the other thing. I like, they showed how the
Speaker 6: rich it was. To me, it was we moved up
Speaker 6: from Ridondo Beach.
Speaker 5: Ridondo Beach is not a it's a middle class whatever,
Speaker 5: you know, neighborhood. Whereas we went up to Palace Verdes,
Speaker 5: which was an affluent area, right, and they had these kids.
Speaker 5: We were living in some sandy shores, right, So we
Speaker 5: were in the ghetto of pollis urge, which there is
Speaker 5: none and we didn't live in the sandy stores. We
Speaker 5: lived in you know, we lived in a very nice
Speaker 5: condominium complex, but we did live in a smaller, you
Speaker 5: know place, and we were sort of the underdogs because
Speaker 5: we didn't have the money that this one kid, Nikki,
Speaker 5: remember in the movie, you see these rich kids, and
Speaker 5: then she all she wanted. She didn't want that money.
Speaker 5: She just wanted her dad to come to a game.
Speaker 5: And that, to me, that is that's really great for
Speaker 5: kids to see because they all are sidetracked right now
Speaker 5: with I just want to be rich because rich people
Speaker 5: have it made.
Speaker 6: Well, she didn't have it made. And guess what, at
Speaker 6: the end, she ended up.
Speaker 5: Coming to our lame apartment for a lame sandwich that
Speaker 5: my dad made it or my mom made it.
Speaker 6: You remember it was the chili.
Speaker 5: Now you gotta hear this, the real truth on that
Speaker 5: one chili, corn chip, cheese dog or whatever it was
Speaker 5: smashed together in the in the.
Speaker 6: Grill form and grill thing.
Speaker 5: Our our actual sandwich that was very unique to our family.
Speaker 6: This is the.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 6: The document.
Speaker 5: By the way, all of this stuff is in the
Speaker 5: document that I wrote years ago called fact v Fiction
Speaker 5: about the Disney movie.
Speaker 6: And I'll give it to you if you want to
Speaker 6: put in.
Speaker 5: The notes of these so so they're gonna get a
Speaker 5: real sandwich. The real sandwich was the Bird family was.
Speaker 5: Thank you to Mary Birge, our health food mother. She
Speaker 5: would have wheat bread, peanut butter, and lettuce, no nothing else.
Speaker 7: That's it.
Speaker 6: Jelly had sugar, no sugar, no jelly because jelly makes
Speaker 6: the peanut butter.
Speaker 5: No, no peanut butter makes the jelly stick to your
Speaker 5: teeth and you get cavity.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that was my mom.
Speaker 1: Peter, are we talking? Is this iceberg lettuce? I can't
Speaker 1: believe we've been asking this.
Speaker 6: This is green leafy lettuce. No, you have to have
Speaker 6: the darker greens. They have more vitamins. Come on, Williams.
Speaker 7: Yes, that actually, Heidi and I make everyone laugh because
Speaker 7: we still eat those today.
Speaker 1: I'm trying one.
Speaker 4: Literally, I honestly don't think it sounds awful.
Speaker 6: I think it just smotherney. Yeah, smother it, smother it
Speaker 6: with honey, it's even better.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: So it's just called the birch.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, And.
Speaker 7: If it was, if it was up to my dad,
Speaker 7: we'd be going to Tommy Burgers for chili burgers.
Speaker 6: Yeah, my dad.
Speaker 7: You all know Tommy Burgers. Yes, that would be his thing,
Speaker 7: for sure.
Speaker 1: I'll take. I'll be honest, I'll take. I'll try the
Speaker 1: other sandwich. I'll try a birge, but I'd rather have
Speaker 1: the Tommy Burger over the over the birge, if I'm
Speaker 1: honest with you. Oh, thank you both so much for
Speaker 1: joining us. This was great and.
Speaker 2: Such a treat for us to actually get to talk
Speaker 2: to the people the movie was about. We haven't had
Speaker 2: a chance to do yet, so this is really really cool.
Speaker 2: This is the this is the neatest thing ever. So
Speaker 2: thank you so much. And uh yeah, well, you know,
Speaker 2: come back and watch another movie with us. Sometimes we'll
Speaker 2: do something nothing to do with anything else.
Speaker 1: You could just come and.
Speaker 4: Play yes.
Speaker 7: You guys, okay, bye bye man.
Speaker 1: That was cool.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 2: First of all, hearing them kind of go after each
Speaker 2: other like siblings is the greatest thing ever.
Speaker 4: Oh man, twins.
Speaker 3: It's like because they also have that twin connection that
Speaker 3: they are already expecting to call out the sentence that's
Speaker 3: about to come out of their twins' mouth.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So they're instantly just like on it, like there's no
Speaker 3: beats in between.
Speaker 4: They just like they Oh man, I love it.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to read the fact fact v fiction
Speaker 2: thing because I can't wait to see what because I
Speaker 2: love how they're like, all right, this was right, that's
Speaker 2: not so right?
Speaker 1: This is right. Like little things like they had the
Speaker 1: double bike. We were like, who rides around in a
Speaker 1: double bike?
Speaker 7: I know.
Speaker 5: It.
Speaker 4: I can't even believe it.
Speaker 2: So this is this is why I said this was
Speaker 2: my favorite dcom of all time.
Speaker 1: This is this is why I said it's Rina.
Speaker 2: We all know why I vote voted this as high
Speaker 2: as I did, And it's such a.
Speaker 3: Great true they you just want to keep watching it,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, we've already done it our episode, you
Speaker 3: don't need to do it again.
Speaker 2: But that was really really great little bonus episode together that.
Speaker 3: They're both still coaching and still mentoring out there and
Speaker 3: something that they clearly were huge just yea huge presence
Speaker 3: in such a you know, just.
Speaker 2: They're also the og when you're there the first season
Speaker 2: of the w NBA.
Speaker 1: I mean, you are the pioneer. You're making this happen,
Speaker 1: which is just so cool.
Speaker 2: I would love to I think I could have done
Speaker 2: another hour on just what they think of what's going
Speaker 2: on in the league and what Oh, I know everything.
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear opinions of people that know it
Speaker 2: a lot better than I do, to hear you know.
Speaker 3: Everything, experienced it and are able to kind of see
Speaker 3: through the different aspects of what's going on right now.
Speaker 3: You know a lot of positivity, but you know a
Speaker 3: lot of things to probably kind of bring focus to
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was really cool. Everybody, go try a bird sandwich.
Speaker 1: Do give that a shot.
Speaker 4: I think I really actually might do it.
Speaker 2: Which say wheat bread, peanut, butter, and lettuce, let us
Speaker 2: and then covered it honey.
Speaker 6: Covered honey.
Speaker 5: What the hell?
Speaker 1: It sounds like.
Speaker 2: Something you eat at two o'clock in the morning when
Speaker 2: you're stoned thank you so much for joining us on
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