WEBVTT - Trump's Tenth Try 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.720 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wik f Daily with 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:18.479 me your girl, Danielle Moody, recording from the home bunker. 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:23.320 I have a question to start out today's show. What 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:27.600 was the last time that any of you received a 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:33.080 tenth try at anything? You know, you get a first try, 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.440 you get a second try, maybe sometimes you even get 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:41.000 a third try. What was the last time? Somebody said 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:45.280 the last nine, but here you go, here's number ten. 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:49.080 I'm pretty sure that the answer is going to be. 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:51.280 Never. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:56.040 But if your name is Donald Trump, then you get 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:00.640 as many tries as there are humanly available, and even 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:05.679 after that, we'll just keep manufacturing them. But Judge Merchant, 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:14.040 the judge in the hush money bribery case, has now 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:18.479 held Donald Trump in contempt of court for the tenth time. 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:23.119 For the tenth time, Donald Trump has violated the gag order. 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:27.800 For the tenth time Donald Trump has violated a court order. 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:34.840 And Judge Marshan, you know, directly addressing Donald Trump, says, 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.760 you know, I'm not basically above threatening jail time. And 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.080 here's my thing. Can we just stop with the fucking 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.000 threats and just get to the doing. And if you're 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:49.560 gonna say that, holding Donald Trump in prison would be 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:53.440 a logistical nightmare because of the Secret Service, because of this. 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:57.880 Because of that, then I have another idea. Maybe you 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:01.200 start finding Donald Trump in a way that is actually 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:05.080 fucking painful and on par with however much money he 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.760 lies about having in the bank. So we know that 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:13.960 the appeals judge in his you know, other fraud trial 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:18.400 with in terms of how he ballooned the costs of 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.799 his real estate properties, he was supposed to pay out 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.160 half a billion dollars and there wasn't going to be 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.600 a bank that was going to give him that money. 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.160 And then, of course an appeals court comes back and 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:32.920 they lower it and then he's able to pay it off. 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:37.040 My thing is start making it actually fucking hurt, and 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.720 then maybe Donald Trump will shut the fuck up. So 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:44.320 if for every time that he violates the court's gag order, 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.560 it is going to cost him one hundred thousand dollars, 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.320 and we know that that is going to happen on 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.440 a weekly basis, then you're talking about by the end 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:57.000 of the month him racking up somewhere between four hundred 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:01.160 and five hundred thousand dollars. That to me makes fucking sense. 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:04.440 But if you're just gonna roll out and say, oh, well, 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:07.160 I'm gonna find you one thousand dollars. What the fuck 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:12.040 Donald Trump spends that at McDonald's for lunch. So I'm 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:18.000 just like, I'm tired of the consistent finger wagging at 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:22.639 Donald Trump and the empty threats that are never going to, 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.240 you know, measure up to anything, or like the moments 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.000 that we think that the justice system has finally caught 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.640 up to him, only to make an entire u turn 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.080 and start the erase over again. I'm just fucking over 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.920 it because you all know that if it were any 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.960 of us that were on trial, we would have been 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:43.680 in jail. Oh I don't know. Nine times ago people 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.360 are thrown in contempt of court folks for showing up 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:50.080 late to their trial by a few minutes. Do you 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.400 know what I'm saying, in order to teach them a lesson. 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.440 So if you want to teach Donald Trump a lesson 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.800 and it's too much of an obstacle to throw him 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.400 in jail, then I I say that you start making 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:05.560 it financially painful for him to shut the fuck up. 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:11.680 Like I you know it, just like in so many ways, 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:15.640 everything is just beyond exhaustion. I don't know what we 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.479 go beyond exhaustion. Is it burnout, is it a coma? 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:21.919 I have no fucking idea, But I do know that 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.720 I'm completely and totally over every single one of these 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.799 lawsuits that are never going to see any outcome before 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:32.520 twenty twenty four, the election. And the fact is that 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.520 I continue to say that the only thing that is 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.320 going to hold Donald Trump accountable are the American people 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:43.039 voting to end his political career, to end the political party. Finally, 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:48.680 that's it. You know, After that, then the justice system 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:51.440 will be clear to actually treat Donald Trump the way 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.080 that he should be treated, because you won't be running 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.599 for a political office and won't be able to say 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:59.599 that this is some type of political witch hunt. It'll 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.240 just be another fucking old, privileged white dude on trial 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:07.680 for shit that shit caught up to him four decades ago. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:12.920 I digress, folks. Coming up next, I'm gonna be in 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:20.159 conversation once again with friend of the show, and you 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:25.080 know someone who I think provides a great deal of 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:30.040 clarity to us, which is Sky Perriman, who is the 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:33.359 CEO of Democracy Forward, is going to join me to 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:37.320 discuss you know, where we are right now, in this moment, 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:41.000 as we make the slow march to the election, and 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:44.479 what they think is necessary to make the American people 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:48.839 aware that this election is not the most consequential, it 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.640 is going to be the last election of the United States, 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.560 if in fact people decide to either sit out or 0:05:54.640 --> 0:06:01.840 vote for Donald Trump. That conversation is coming up next, folks. 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.200 I am so excited to welcome back to ook f Daily, 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:11.039 the president and CEO of Democracy Forward, Sky Perryman, to 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.880 give us kind of you know, Sky, Democracy Forward. What 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.159 is it's kind of like Democracy Forward? Question mark. I 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.080 feel like you need you need to add to the 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:26.560 to the organization website and branding. But I don't know 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:30.040 what's happening. I don't you know, you tell me because 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:35.800 between right now, following the Supreme Court, following h Donald 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:40.200 Trump's cases before the Supreme Court in Manhattan, you know, 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:44.160 and and following what is happening with the Biden campaign, 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.640 It's just it's a lot. So I want to start 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:51.560 off with asking you what are you all keeping track of? 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.599 What do we need to be you know, honestly paying 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:59.039 attention to because as of the time of this recording, 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.000 we are are less than two hundred days away from 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.479 election day, which every day I'm not going to provide 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:08.400 my audience with a countdown because I don't want them 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:12.000 to lose their mind. But it's wild where we are, 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.960 So talk to me. Where is democracy forward and where 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:16.880 are you? Well? 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:20.200 We are both fighting for democracy and fighting to move 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.960 the country forward, not backward, and that is a real 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.960 fight right now. So thanks for having me on. I 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.880 think you know, in terms of what to pay attention to, 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.800 I always like to ground ourselves in what we know, 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.880 which is that the vast majority of the American people 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:41.840 are pretty fair minded people, that they believe in the 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.240 promise of democracy. They may not agree on everything, that 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.120 there are some basic things that we believe in the 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.040 promis of democracy. That our country has changed a lot 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.000 since it was founded, and that there are a lot 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:53.440 more people that look like you, there are a lot 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:55.280 more people that look like me, There are a lot 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.400 more people that look like all of our friends and neighbors. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.920 And that we are a real multi race, multi generational, 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.040 diverse society. And that there is a movement to seek 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.760 to push us back to a time where that was 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:12.480 not the case, or where power structures sought to undermine 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.520 the ability of so many people to be able to 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:19.120 determine who governs them, to be able to determine their 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.600 lives and their futures. And so that's what we're fighting for. 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:25.040 So just yesterday I was at the Supreme Court where 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:30.000 the Court heard a case concerning access to abortion in 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:34.600 emergency situations, with people who literally go into an emergency 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:39.800 room with life and health threatening conditions. This extremism has 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:44.960 gone so far extreme that we are having to basically 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.440 beg at the Supreme Court as women to be treated 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.839 as fully human to be able to approach an emergency 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:55.000 room like everyone else in this country and be given 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:58.560 the care that we need in emergent situations. And that 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.120 we saw that on display yesterday at the Supreme Court. 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:05.040 There was literally a debate about how many organs a 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.439 woman has that needs to be threatened before she can 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.839 obtain an IDAHO, for instance, the care that she needs. 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.880 We have women in this country being life flighted out 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.199 of hospitals because they cannot get the care to save 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:20.000 their health and their life or even their fertility. And 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.640 that was yesterday at the Court, and then today at 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:26.800 the Court we have seen questioning that suggests that there 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:30.280 is a movement in this country that believes that a 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:34.040 person who has held political office can engage in all 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.720 sorts of unlawful activity and it's just their prerogative. And 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:41.240 that is really not what a democracy is. So we 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.880 are watching a lot. We're watching what's in the courts, 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:48.320 we're watching what is in communities across the country. But 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:51.880 we're also watching, you know, the hope that we can 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.600 have in this moment, if we all use our lives 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:56.600 and if we all do what we can in this 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:01.760 moment to say that this narrow, rigid, back words vision 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.800 for the country does not represent you, it doesn't represent me, 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.320 and it doesn't represent the vast majority of people in 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.240 this country. And we need to use all the tools 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:12.280 we have to fight back. So I'll start maybe I'll 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.160 just start with that, that's a lot. 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:16.880 It is. It is a lot, you know, and it's 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:20.400 and it's hard. I think it's hard even for us 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.040 whose job it is right to pay attention to all 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.600 of the things that are happening and to try and 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:29.439 make them digestible, to try and encourage people to engage 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.680 that for lay people to understand and keep track, right, 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:38.040 it's nearly impossible I want to go to the Idaho 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.840 case and lift that up that you were just discussing, 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.400 because I have to tell you that listening to the 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:49.240 five men on the Supreme Court, particularly Justice Alito, just 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:54.400 glossing over the health, the safety and well being of 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:58.120 women and pregnant people is wild to me. And I 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.480 honestly think you know, and I you know this is 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.480 me saying this and not you, that cruelty really is 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:09.280 the point, right, Because if a group of doctors recently 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.520 sent an open letter to the Supreme Court saying, how 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.680 many seces of blood does a woman have to lose 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:21.959 before we can proceed with an abortion? How much oxygen 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.520 right to your point, how many organs need to be 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:29.160 in failure? Right? How far along does the sepsist need 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.240 to be? These are people that went to law school, 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.960 they didn't go to medical school. They didn't swear an 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.640 oath to do no harm, because all they're doing is harm. 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:42.000 So I wonder when we're thinking about how we move 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:46.679 democracy forward sky and democracy not only does it it's 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:52.200 not stuck, it's being rolled backwards. What does it look 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.680 like in the next you know, less than two hundred 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:59.760 days to galvanize people to the severity of the situation 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:00.600 that we're in. 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:03.640 Well, I'm glad you asked that question. I'll just say, 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.160 you know, in the in the Iaho case, I'm a 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:11.000 counsel for the nation's medical associations doctors from her doctors 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.920 to obg I N's to internal medicine physicians that are 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.240 coming to the court to say this is really contrary 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.760 to our medical ethics and it's not why we got 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.400 into this business, and it's not the way you treat patients, 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.839 and there's real harm. But to your question about galvanization 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.320 of people, I think we need to be able to 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.560 look at this reality in the face and to not blink. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:36.760 And so it's telling stories about what we saw yesterday 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.080 and not trying to make people feel better about it. 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.320 I was in the courts in the courtroom watching this 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:48.080 exchange about how severe something needs to be. Are people 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:51.920 looking down at their papers on the dais when when 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:56.120 Justice Sodomayor was reading the accounts that have been filed 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.360 with the court. And we need to be able to 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.360 sit in this reality and not really. In twenty twenty one, 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:05.080 the United States was added to a list of backsliding 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.440 democracies in the world, and we're the only country that's 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.600 not part of the Global South, and that was not 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:15.400 a former USSR affiliate country that is on that list. 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.320 We are a complete outlier for that list. And that 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:22.480 was the state of democracy in twenty twenty one before 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:26.520 we started looking at the threats and seeing the threats 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.599 we have today. One of the things we need to 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:32.000 galvanize around that. If your listeners are tuning in, please 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.440 go google it, learn about it, talk about it is 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.760 something called Project twenty twenty five YEP, which is a 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.400 project that has been put out. It is nine hundred pages. 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:43.160 I have read it, so I'm happy to come on 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:45.600 and talk about that at some point in more detail. 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:50.080 But it is a man asserted effort, a manifesto, a 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:53.080 concerted effort of a society that they want a society 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.600 where we are not prioritizing our climate, we're not prioritizing 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:00.960 our workers in our workforce. We're criminalizing women's health on 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:04.520 a national basis, as opposed to now where we have 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.040 a lot of states that are seeking to criminalize women's health. 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.400 And all I could think about yesterday in the courtroom, 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.280 that's how powerful it was that the United States was 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.880 who was there, represented by our Solicitor General was there, 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:18.920 and they were there on the side of the federal government, 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.440 and they were there on the side of women who 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:28.520 need emergency care. And that doesn't happen right if we're 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:31.240 looking at Project twenty twenty five. We don't have that 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:36.000 Solicitor General, and we don't have the United States government, 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:39.400 at least the federal government putting its full full force 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.040 behind some of these issues. And so I think the 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.680 stakes are really high. But for galvanizing, we've got to 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:47.640 be able to sit in this reality. We've got to 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:49.920 be able to have these conversations and talk to people 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.520 about it. And if it makes you uncomfortable, it should, 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:56.040 and that discomfort should get you motivated to do anything 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:59.720 you can do at this moment in our country. 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:09.600 Let's switch gears to the presidential immunity case, which is 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:14.840 extraordinarily dangerous. I think that sky it goes beyond just 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:20.240 dangerous for democracy. What the Trump lawyers are arguing is 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:24.680 that presidents are absolutely one hundred percent above the law. 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:28.119 And I thought about something before we even started recording, 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:30.880 and I said, my god, how bleak of the times 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:34.800 that we are living in. With the argument that the 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:38.160 Trump lawyers are putting forward basically, the president of the 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:40.560 United States could kill the first lady in the White 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:46.160 House and nothing would happen to them, could order the 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:50.120 Secret Service protection to kill the first lady in the 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:53.720 White House and in less according to the Trump attorneys, 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.840 they were convicted under impeachment, and then it went to 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:02.000 a lower court and a court isci you know, it 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.280 would basically be okay, your thoughts. 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.400 Well, I think this is one of the most critical 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:12.880 representations of how this moment that we're in the country 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.480 where you have you know, one day, we're debating about 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:17.960 how many organs women have to lose at the Supreme Court. 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.640 At the other day, we're hearing arguments about how a 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:24.800 country that was founded on the idea that there are 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:28.000 no kings and queens, on the idea that no one 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:32.160 is above the law, we're now in a situation where 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.040 we're having and seeing this being given, you know, and 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:39.600 seeing this extremism. So, you know, I think this is 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.960 definitely something to pay attention to. But I want to 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.600 make sure your listeners because we've been talking with a 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:48.080 lot of media and you know, everybody's very they're following this, 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.400 They're following the trial in Manhattan. That's very important and 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:56.480 it symbolizes where we are in the country. But you know, 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:00.800 last year we had over four thousand fans and communities 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:04.560 throughout the country. We have access to healthcare issues. There 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.399 are still people that are making such low wages that 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.560 they can't put food on their table, and the price 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.359 of food is where it is. And so I just 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:18.080 want to also ground us in not falling for thinking 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:22.280 about the very tip of the headline and not really 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.160 looking at how we can be part of a change 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:28.520 and holding people accountable to the American people, not just 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:32.119 on one or two issues, but on all the issues 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.760 that are so critical and so intertwined and under attack 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.600 at this moment. So that's one thing I'll say. But 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.720 I do think you know, the other thing we know 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:48.280 from history is that when democracies fall, you can go 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:52.280 look at it. They often fall because people take for 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:55.320 granted they think, well, that could never happen here. And 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:57.840 so I really want your listeners to just and I 0:17:57.880 --> 0:17:59.960 think you do a good job of it on your show. 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.600 Oh but we've got to come to the reality. This 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.520 is what was happening in the Supreme Court today, this 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.640 is what people are suggesting, and we had questioning from 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.520 the justices suggesting that you know, if you hold the 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:16.560 president accountable to the laws, well then the president may 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:18.640 not we may not want to like move on from 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.920 a peaceful transition of power. That is, you know that 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.280 this is the kind of situation that we're seeing, which 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.720 is just an extremism from from some of the justices 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.119 as well as from Council in that case. And so 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.960 we have power in this country. We don't have to 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.359 stick with courts that are rigged. We don't have to 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.560 stick with a rig gain. We don't have to coordinate 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.800 our leaders as kings and queens, and we need to 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.480 be thinking about in using all the tools our democracy provides. 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:52.199 It's voting, but it's being informed, it's advocating. We're going 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.000 to be in court, you know, arguing for the right things, 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.000 but it's we need to be using all of those 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:57.960 tools at this time. 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:02.160 Do you think Sky right now that the average American 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:06.560 is paying attention to the things outside, Like you said 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.000 of the tip of the headline, I don't even know 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.400 if they're paying attention to the headline. So I'm wondering 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:17.119 because like to me, everything is about civic engagement and 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:22.840 also education. But the Republicans have made it clear exactly 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:25.359 what it is that they want to do. I've talked 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.360 about Project twenty twenty five for the last year on 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.359 this show. Yep, you know, to raise the alarm and 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.600 say it's not something that they're doing behind closed doors, 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.920 like it's on their website. You can download it, it's free, 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.600 and so I just wonder do you think Americans are 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.879 paying attention. Do you think that they recognize that this 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:49.560 election really is the most consequential election or have we 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:55.000 been saying that for too long that it doesn't resonate anymore. 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:59.000 Well, I think what we know is that people are 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:04.560 concerned and concerned about issues. So they're concerned about how 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:08.919 they're going to afford their life, what the economy is 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.600 going to be, like, they're concerned about healthcare, they're concerned 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:16.000 about their kids' education. We know that on those issues, 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.240 and what we've got to do is to make sure 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.480 that we're educating people about this movement that is afoot 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:25.560 in the country. The Project twenty twenty five early represents 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:30.040 this highly coordinated far right movement that is finding common 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:35.520 cause with other interests and that seeking to normalize this 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:37.639 five alarm fire. I mean, I'm going to say, you know, 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:43.320 the democracy has been under threat for many years for 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:48.960 their entire existence for many people who aren't included in 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:53.680 our nation's founding, and it has been an urgent matter 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:57.800 that needs to be addressed, and it remains urgent. But 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:01.560 what we're seeing now is just on on a wider scale. 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:06.920 Were even even rights of people who have enjoyed more 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:10.720 privileged throughout the country, even rights of people those are 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:13.880 now being threatened, and we're now seeing even you know, 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:16.760 this is just a much It's a much more extreme 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:19.159 version of a lot of a lot of the fights. 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:22.000 And so I think that paying attention really matters. But 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:25.719 educating and making sure that we all understand how this 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:30.000 affects our lives. Dobbs has been devastating. One of the 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:33.840 things that it did, though, was it has forced people 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.080 to come to grips in many ways with what this 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:39.040 really means, as the harrowing accounts that Justice Sotomayor and 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:42.159 others were referring to yesterday at the argument. And so 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:44.120 I think we really need to be able to connect 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:48.159 for people where the threats to our democracy are coming from. 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:51.440 And then what tools we have to push back. 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:59.520 I think that it is incredibly important to remind people 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:01.600 of the two that we do have tools, right, Like, 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:03.720 That's the point of my show and my work is 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.600 to remind people that they still have power, even though 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:10.199 they may find themselves in a really dark moment and 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:13.639 place right now in our democracy. You know, just a 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:19.320 last question for you for those people who feel extraordinarily 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:24.840 bleak right, who are thinking and I they're all over 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:29.040 my social media page about not voting or not voting 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.840 for democracy, and they're serious about it. They say they 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:37.119 can't stomach it. What do you say, Well, look. 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:41.159 Our country is only as strong and our democracy is 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:44.480 only as real as the people who are going to 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:47.879 keep it that way. And so whether that is volunteering 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:51.639 in your local community, signing up to vote, you know, 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.320 getting involved civically listening to the show and then talking 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:57.000 to three friends about these issues. Being willing to sit 0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:59.240 with the discomfort and the injustice at this moment and 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:01.879 to voice and to do something about it. It is 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:05.960 going to take all of us. And we have seen 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:10.159 in prior times where people thought, well, it couldn't get that, 0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:12.280 you know, it couldn't get worse. I mean, we saw 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:14.960 you know before it was always well everyone was saying 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:17.960 Roby Wade is under threat, and it was like, well, 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:20.320 that's really not going to happen. Well, you know it has, 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:22.680 and we're now having debates at the US Supreme Court 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:25.040 about how many women have to die and how many 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:28.040 organs women have to lose in order to get healthcare. 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:31.600 And so I think that we know that these are 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:35.840 matters that concern the well being of people in communities, 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:39.680 and there should you know, we can't be apathetic and 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:42.880 maybe that there's something that motivates you. There's a lot 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:45.399 of ways that people can get involved, and not everybody 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:48.080 needs to be Not everybody's an activist. Not everybody's going 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:50.160 to show up to a rally or hold a sign. 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:52.880 Not everybody wants to run for office. Not everybody wants 0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:55.120 to be a lawyer, not everybody wants to be a journalist. 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:56.760 But there are things that we can do in our 0:23:56.760 --> 0:24:01.280 individual lives. Libraries are under attack, schools are under attack, 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:05.119 public servants are under attack. You know, find a way 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:09.280