1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody? Walk coming to move the sticks? DJ? 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: Buck back with you, Buck? What is going on? Man? 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: And Na Man? 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 3: Just another fun field weekend getting closer and closer to 6 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 3: I don't know, June July. June is kind of like 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 3: the did period when it comes to football, and I 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 3: don't know, we got another week of OTAs and then 9 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 3: we got a minatory mini camp and then we disappeared 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 3: for six weeks kind of. 11 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 2: I know. By the way, there's been a lot of 12 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 2: pushback on this schedule. We talked about it previously, Right, 13 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,639 Speaker 2: this can't This isn't going to happen, is it? Where 14 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: they're just going to have a continuous offseason right into 15 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: the season, Like, I just can't see that happening. 16 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 3: See, but I thought it was going to be a break. 17 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 3: I thought they was gonna take a three month break 18 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 3: at the end of February to give people time. Because 19 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 3: as I was thinking, I was like, well, that'd be 20 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 3: a good thing because then the coaches could get involved 21 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: with DI scouting without having to be distracted with planning 22 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 3: for the off season program. And then everyone kind of 23 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 3: reconvenes whenever June July and just kind of go through it. 24 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 3: I think young guys maybe can come through the building 25 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 3: to get acclimated to maybe the pro game and then 26 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 3: kind of let him go. 27 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 4: But I don't know. 28 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny because I watched Doug Peterson's press conference, 29 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 3: and he's talked about anything that's in the best interest 30 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 3: of the game. He kind of feels like training camp 31 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: is already long enough, and so the extension of training camp. 32 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 3: The thing that just has me kind of stump DJ 33 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 3: because I wrote about it is this comes from the 34 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: Players Association, so this appears to be like player driven. 35 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 3: So I just kind of want to see what does 36 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 3: that model look like if it was player driven, because 37 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: the current model everyone starts middle of April. 38 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 2: If you play. 39 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 3: Into the Super Bowl, that's about a six week break 40 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 3: and then you kind of right back into it. I'm 41 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 3: just trying to figure out what did the players, What 42 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: are the players giving up to get back a different 43 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: offseason schedule. 44 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Again, I think if you're a 45 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: coach and your kids are grown, maybe it's one thing. 46 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: I just think you've got kids in school that sucks 47 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: you just you're not You're not gonna get a break. 48 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: No, So let's let's talk about that because we have 49 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 3: a bunch of buddies at a Scouts or whatever. 50 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 4: So let's just say they made it. 51 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 3: Let's just say they made training camp like after July fourth, 52 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 3: like West Coast is get out. 53 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean that's that's kind of what It's 54 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: not that far away from there. Now they're talking about 55 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: like like middle June, like you know, early to middle 56 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: part of June is when they're talking about getting people 57 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 2: in and that's your off season program, you know, going 58 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: so like that's the month, that's the month that you 59 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 2: would kind of lose there, so you know that's when 60 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: kids getting out of school and all that kind of stuff. 61 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: And it was like, you're gonna do it at the 62 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: first of July versus what do we normally start? 63 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 3: Like the twenty second, Like around the twenty if you 64 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: move it up two weeks, because all right, you're gonna 65 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 3: eliminate one preseason game eventually, right, so you can get 66 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 3: it down to the two preseason games and. 67 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 4: Then you know there's a lot of lag time. 68 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 3: Between the final cuts and the first regular season game 69 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 3: because I think we had those final custom. 70 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: Like open weekend. There's always that open weekend. 71 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 3: There's a weekend, and you get all the way through 72 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 3: to the next They can trim some of the fat 73 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 3: if they want to do it to make it like 74 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 3: a July a July start. My thing would be like, okay, 75 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 3: So from a player standpoint, that month, that six months that. 76 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 4: You're away, that's when you're not protected. 77 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: All right. 78 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 4: So if I go work out in LA and I'm 79 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 4: just working out at a. 80 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 3: Random gym and five, yeah, I'm on my own and 81 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 3: the other part of it, and I know people don't 82 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 3: do it, You'll get a benefit of doing it because 83 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 3: it appears that the charges are running more like a 84 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 3: college strength program. So imagine all the games that the 85 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: team has made through this month, and then you have 86 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 3: a six week off period and we can say a 87 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: player are going to go off on their own and 88 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: do their own thing. It's still different than being with that. 89 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 3: I would almost feel like, hey, give them the early 90 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 3: part off. I would rather have them doing the run 91 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: up to training camp to get them ready so they 92 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: don't pour their hamstrings. 93 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 4: They don't do that. 94 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 3: And even if we're talking about a July start, I 95 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: would rather as the team and man, let my strength 96 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: coaches get the team ready to play with a consistent, steady, 97 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 3: steadily attended deal as opposed to the stops and starts 98 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: and all of that. I think there's ways to Even 99 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 3: when you talk about like vacation for the scouts and 100 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: everybody else, I think there are ways to do it 101 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 3: with different people being in the building at times. I 102 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: don't think it's necessary for the coaches and all that 103 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 3: to be in during all of the time when the. 104 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 4: Players are in. 105 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 3: I think you can tweak phase one to make it 106 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 3: where hey, let's just do the strength conditioning. 107 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 4: I just can't remember how we did it during COVID. 108 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 3: But to me, this is like, hey, how do we 109 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 3: approach it during COVID Because we had the COVID season 110 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 3: and we didn't have many issues, why can't we do that? 111 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: No, it's interesting, man. We'll see how it comes together 112 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 2: and if they get an agreement there, and then obviously 113 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: the eighteenth eighteenth game is kind of what's looming over everything. 114 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 2: They're gonna, you know, change things up, then that's gonna 115 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: be that's gonna be part of the deal there. So 116 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: I mean, it just feels inevitable, like it's happening, you know. 117 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 4: Oh it's it absolutely is happening. I think that's what 118 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 4: they do. 119 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 3: And if I'm not mistaken, I think the CFL does 120 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: two games, but DJ like, yeah, they do two buys, 121 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 3: but they also do a two game preseason schedule. 122 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, preseason. 123 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: But DJ, I can tell you, like in the CFL, 124 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: you get two weeks to get ready for that preseason. 125 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 2: Game, Like it ain't a whole lot of Yeah. 126 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 3: I just remember when I was up helping out of Hamilton, 127 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 3: they talked about you just got to win the first 128 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 3: four days, try to get you try to make it 129 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: where you don't get your guys hurt those first four 130 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: days with hamstring injuries and those things, and. 131 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 4: Then you just kind of like, you know, ball is ball. 132 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: We just kind of get it going. 133 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: But yeah, like an eighteen week schedule over an eighteen 134 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 3: game schedule over a twenty week period. I mean, that's 135 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 3: gonna be a different grind. But that's gonna be different 136 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 3: uscle when it comes to getting your team ready and. 137 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 4: All of that. 138 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, no question. What we're gonna hit on today. By 139 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: the way, is this new contract that was signed by 140 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson and how that ties into some really interesting 141 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 2: comments from Chris Furster, who's been a offensive line coach 142 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: in this league for a long time, has been Kyle 143 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: Shanahan's kind of right hand man in terms of managing 144 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: their run game there with the forty nine ers, had 145 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: some interesting things to say about the position in which 146 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: he coaches. So we're going to tie these two things together. 147 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: Let's start first of all here with the Justin Jefferson news. 148 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: Four years, one hundred and forty million highest paid non 149 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: quarterback contract that was handed out. I think that was expected. 150 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: I don't know that I'm surprised by that. He was 151 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: not going to be comparing himself to other wide receivers. 152 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 3: You knew that was the case, No, I mean you 153 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 3: absolutely knew it was in case. You just look at 154 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 3: the numbers that he put up. He had every reason 155 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 3: to justify it. It would be interesting to see what 156 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: CD Lambs as some of the other guys come in. 157 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: But yeah, just Jefferson is at the top of the market. 158 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: Thirty five million dollars for a wide receiver. I don't 159 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 3: know if we ever envisioned a day with that was 160 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 3: going to be the thing. I just think back to 161 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: when we used to talk about quarterback money being in 162 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: the twenty million dollar range and how. 163 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 2: Wide receiver our cousins, right, was that Kirk got twenty 164 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: years and everybody lost their minds. 165 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and now we're talking about thirty five million dollars 166 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 3: for a wide receiver. We've had the conversation a little 167 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: bit about wide receivers and how plentiful the pipeline is 168 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 3: at the collegiate level in terms of supplying the pro 169 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: game with I would say pro ready wide receivers. I 170 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 3: just wonder now that we're talking about thirty five million 171 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: dollars for wide receivers for a Marquee number one wide receiver, 172 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 3: when does it stop in terms of when do people say, hey, Okay, 173 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 3: they're a handful of guys that can get that, But 174 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: you can't have your whole team with multiple guys making 175 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 3: twenty to twenty five million dollars at wide receiver, can you. 176 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 3: I just think it just changes the apple cart, and 177 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 3: it changes the way that we talk about building the team. 178 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, the interesting thing to me is like 179 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: four years, this is not you know, anything longer than that. 180 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: It feels to me like you kind of get you know, 181 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: unless you get the rare, rare exceptional guy. But I 182 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 2: think the strategy, at least, you know, talking to different 183 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: people around, the strategy seems to be, Okay, we can 184 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: take wide receivers, they're ready to go, draft them high, 185 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: get that first run on them, and then we can 186 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: extend them to contract is going to put them in 187 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: that age thirty season, and then we can go. Then 188 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: we can recycle and go. Because it's not like other 189 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: positions where an offensive lineman might not hit his stride 190 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: until his third year. These receivers come out the package. 191 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 2: They're ready to go, not only like to get on 192 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: the field and play like they're ready to be elite 193 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: players right from the jump. So you get him in there, 194 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: you get them rolling, you take care of them on 195 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: that second contract. But by the time that happens, okay, 196 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: we've got nine years, we've got their nine year run, 197 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: incredible nine year run, and then we'll let somebody else 198 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: pay the next one. 199 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: And now that that could be the case and age 200 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 3: could be a thing because we've always talked about running 201 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 3: backs to sweet spot was twenty seven to twenty eight, 202 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: Like once they get to that number, you're not likely 203 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 3: to put big money into it. But wide receivers being 204 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 3: at thirty if we talk about two contracts, so let's 205 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 3: just say a four year contract in another four year contract, 206 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 3: that's eight years, and then we're on to the next. 207 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 3: In terms of a marquee elite player, I also believe 208 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 3: it might be tied to how much are we paying 209 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 3: to quarterback? See in Minnesota, what you're gonna have is 210 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 3: you're gonna have a young quarterback for the next four 211 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 3: maybe five years, So you can pay Justin Jefferson and 212 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 3: some of those other guys. But when let's just say 213 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 3: jj McCarthy turns out to be what they want him 214 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 3: to be, when it comes time to pay him, how 215 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 3: does the money ship. 216 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look at the wide receiver flips right, We've 217 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: seen it well obviously with Mahomes, with Tyreek Hill, they 218 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 2: flipped over that receiver roster. We're seeing it this year 219 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 2: with the Chargers. You've paid Herbert, You've got to flip 220 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: that roster over. Now. The Bengals have kept their group, 221 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: but they haven't paid them yet. They're gonna have to 222 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: pay if they want to keep them. You're gonna have 223 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: to pay t Higgins and Jamar Chase, and maybe they 224 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: choose one to you know, one over the other. I 225 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: obviously would imagine that would be Jamar Chase, but that 226 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 2: hasn't been done yet, so I don't know. I'm trying 227 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: to think of the examples and even look even a Buffalo, 228 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: right you pay, You've paid Josh Allen and Stefan Diggs 229 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: and that big number is no longer there. So it's 230 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 2: been kind of the it's been pretty it's been pretty 231 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: consistent with the track record here of high, high, high 232 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 2: priced guys for your young quarterback. And then after that 233 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 2: the quarterbacks got to graduate and take care of some 234 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: younger guys. 235 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 4: He has to do that. 236 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 3: Then will be what can be learned from the teams 237 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 3: that have had success with the draft and developed program. 238 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 3: So there are a couple of teams that come to 239 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 3: mind in terms of being able to hit a receivers consistently. 240 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 4: The Green Bay Packers. 241 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 3: Of that, you think about all the young guys, I mean, 242 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 3: they may have the chiefs wide receiver room in the 243 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 3: National Football League. What have they been able to uncover 244 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: and because they've done it for so long, what is 245 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 3: their secret sauce? The other team I would look at, 246 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 3: would be the Pittsburgh Steelers. What can we learn from 247 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 3: their evaluation process when it comes to wide receivers to 248 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 3: maybe replicate that in other areas. You have to have 249 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: a team and offense a coach that can get the 250 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 3: young guys up to speed, develop them, and get them 251 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 3: to play right away. That is going to be the 252 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 3: key and the wide receiver coach. I won't say it 253 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 3: has been a throwaway position, but it now may become 254 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 3: a more pivotal position in terms of development, because if 255 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 3: we're going to have to make these decisions and choices 256 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 3: between high priced wide receivers and draft and developed guys, 257 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 3: with that guy that you have in that room has 258 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 3: to be terrific in terms of teacher and an instructor 259 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 3: when it comes to getting the young guys ready to play. 260 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look at the room that the Chicago 261 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 2: Bears have put in there for Kayleb Williams to come 262 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 2: in on that rookie contract. You bring over Keenan Allen, 263 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 2: You've already got DJ Moore who's made some money, and 264 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: now you obviously throw another young guy into the mix 265 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 2: there with Roma Doonsday. But it's fascinating to see how 266 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 2: the whole puzzle comes together, which is going to get 267 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 2: us to our next point, which is this quote in 268 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: this conversation that we had from Chris Firster last week 269 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: that I want to jump into. So let's take a 270 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 2: quick pause, Buck, we'll come back. We'll get into that, 271 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: all right. 272 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 4: Buck. 273 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: You're the one I believe who saw this first and 274 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: put it on the little MTS text thread there, So 275 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: why don't you take it and run with it? Here 276 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: on some interesting comments from Chris Furster. 277 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: You know, like in a general just Chris Furster onin 278 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: coach for the San Francisco forty nine is just about 279 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 3: how it makes sense for teams to look spend their 280 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 3: top picks on guys who touched the ball. 281 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 4: You can score points guys who can deliver explosive plays. 282 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: And that in the draft you can find the bigs 283 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: in later rounds. And he didn't necessarily say like six 284 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: and seventh round, but you can find the bigs and 285 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 3: rounds outside of the first round. And when I initially 286 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 3: saw the comment it, I don't say I was taken aback, 287 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 3: but I was surprised. 288 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 4: For so long, DJ, we've talked. 289 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 3: About teams and the teams that are kind of always 290 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 3: in the conversation being a line of scrimmage teams, teams 291 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 3: that commit to get into guys in the trenches O line, 292 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 3: D line, and then you fill in the pieces around them. 293 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 3: But if you're good at the line of scrimmage, it 294 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 3: always gives you a chance to win. Here, we're talking 295 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 3: about a team that has been into conversation, been to 296 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 3: a couple of Super Bowls in the last five or 297 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 3: so years, that is saying like, no, we gonna get 298 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 3: the playmakers and those things that we can find the 299 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: pieces outside of it. It just to me just kind 300 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: of runs counterculture to how we think about what you 301 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 3: need to do to be a champce we should caliber 302 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 3: team in this league. 303 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and actually I think the Bill dug up the 304 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 2: sound here too, So let's uh, let's let you listen 305 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 2: to the sound and then I'll piggyback on the back 306 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 2: end of it. 307 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 5: If you talk about all the traits that you need 308 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 5: your system, when every year expects you guys to invest 309 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 5: early in the draft on offensive line, how much is 310 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 5: that a part of you trying to project these guys 311 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 5: and maybe why you haven't invested, you know, first second 312 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 5: round picks as often. 313 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, I don't know about that's for 314 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: John and Kyle for the most part, my personal opinion, 315 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: This is my personal opinion if they ask me, invest 316 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: in guys that touch the ball. Guys can touch the 317 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: ball and score touchdowns. And then there's there's a range 318 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: of guys second, third, fourth round, fifth round even that 319 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: we will find starting offensive lineman in at some point. 320 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: Can you draft, Yeah, you draft Trent Williams, You draft 321 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: your pick and draft for you getting a difference maker. 322 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: But there's guys that can make difference that touch the 323 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: ball well into second, third, fourth rounds or second third 324 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: rounds at least, and definitely in the first round that 325 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: that guy that touches the ball. It makes a huge 326 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: difference in the game. The right guard makes difference. We've 327 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: talked about it before, but that's why we're able to 328 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: find fourth and fifth round draft picks, and if they've 329 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: been you go find you know, it's how dominant is 330 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: the difference between pick you know, thirty four versus pick 331 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: fifty four in offensive line play, and that's where that's 332 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: what you're trying to balance all the time. So well, 333 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: we best available player all those types of things. Definitely 334 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: will and where we possibly ready to draft guys hired 335 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: a draft. Yes, but if there's somebody that can touch 336 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: the ball and make plays. In my opinion, you asked me, Chris, do. 337 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 4: You want him? 338 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: I want they guy to touch this the ball for 339 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: me because I think we can develop those players much 340 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: more readily and have developed those players through the time, 341 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: because we do have a specific things that we're looking for. 342 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: We know we're looking for through the course of time. 343 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: That's the advantage of being together with Kyle for so 344 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: long that we kind of can pigeonhole these guys and 345 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: we always right. No, we're not always right, and nobody 346 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: is on anything. So yeah, because you put five first 347 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: rounders across the front, I don't know that we have 348 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: to to have success. And it hasn't been that case 349 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: as far as running the football and protecting the quarterback, 350 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: you know, or do we have Yeah, we don't have 351 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: five first rounders, so there's always going to be that. 352 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: But the fact that you can throw a short pass 353 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: to Devo even though the right tackle is getting beat, 354 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: it ends up being a sixty yard touchdown. So yeah, 355 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: the right tackle blocks somebody, but the guy gets tackled 356 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: at five yards. You don't have the sixty yard touchdown. Boy, 357 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: that right tackled did a great job. What's the matter 358 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: if the guy touching the ball can't take it to 359 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: the house. So there's the trade off and you're constantly 360 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: playing that game. 361 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I think it's fascinating. I had 362 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: a chance to work with coach Firster in Baltimore many many, 363 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 2: many moons ago, but I think what he's saying makes sense. 364 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: But I also think there's the there's the nuance to 365 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: it that we've talked about before with the no tomato cans. Right, 366 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: we did this conversation several years ago, which was, are 367 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: you better off, you know, having two Hall of Fame linemen, 368 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: two okays and one terrible? Or are you better off 369 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: having five just see you know, C plus B minus lineman. 370 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: And we said, actually, you're more more likely better off 371 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: just having no weakness. You're as strong as your weakest 372 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: link there, because you're going to that weakest link is 373 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 2: going to be Waldo. He's gonna get picked on, and 374 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 2: you're gonna have trouble with running the football. You're gonna 375 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: have trouble protecting your quarterback. If you have one tomato 376 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: can up there. You can't have that. So I agree 377 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 2: with what he's saying. If you told me I had 378 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 2: the choice of having a good offensive line with great 379 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: weapons or a great offensive line with so so good weapons, 380 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: I think I would lean more towards you know, the 381 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 2: weapons as well, Buck. 382 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, the weapons matter because the weapons ultimately impact the scoreboard. 383 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 3: I think when you fully listen to the quote and 384 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 3: what fars is talking about, there are a couple of 385 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 3: things that stood out. One he talked about continuity between 386 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 3: scheme and staff. It's the same scheme. The staff has 387 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 3: been together, so we know exactly what the traits are 388 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 3: that are necessary to play well in the system. That 389 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 3: can be overlooked because that gives you the eye that 390 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 3: you need. We always talk about like so when we 391 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 3: talk about the Pittsburgh still is what the Pittsburgh still 392 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 3: is having it manage when it comes to our receiver, 393 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 3: where the staff has been together for a long time, 394 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 3: When you think about Mike Tomlin, the consistency, Mike Tomlin 395 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 3: working with the guys in the front office, they know 396 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 3: exactly what they're looking for. So I think that part 397 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 3: comes out of it also, And I just remember this 398 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 3: the struggles that I had in evaluating offensive linemen, and 399 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 3: then after you've been in the league for a while, 400 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 3: you started to see what plays and dj the range 401 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: that he talked about second round through fifth round. 402 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 4: When you go back in your mental rolodecks and. 403 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 3: You think about the guys that you graded as a 404 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 3: second and the guys that you graded at fifth, and 405 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 3: then you go and watch their trajectory through the league. 406 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 3: A lot of similar plights. And if we're talking about 407 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 3: the developmental part of it, it's a lot easier to 408 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,239 Speaker 3: get multiple threes and fours and fives to kind of 409 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 3: throw darts on linemen than it is to do it 410 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 3: at the top of the draft when you're going to 411 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 3: try and double up at the position. Maybe if we're 412 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 3: talking about attacking the offensive line like that, I think 413 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 3: it takes a great teacher at the position, the old 414 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: line coach, and it takes a front office that is 415 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 3: willing to allow him to have multiple people. 416 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 4: To work with so that he can develop him. You 417 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 4: have to be all in. 418 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 3: I think you have to be all in on this 419 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 3: approach if you're doing it, and you almost have to 420 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 3: treat it like college, where you have a different recruiting 421 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 3: class every year that features one or two offensive linemen 422 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 3: to get them in the pipeline for development. 423 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. The other thing that popped into my head though, 424 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: was do you remember how many times last year? And 425 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 2: I think they ended up eventually doing it, But like 426 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan's record when they were trailing, like in the 427 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 2: fourth quarter games was abysmal, Like it was, I can't 428 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 2: remember what the number one. 429 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 3: They only could play one way. They only could play 430 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 3: from a head. They had to be in front. 431 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they had. And here's the thing, because there's 432 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 2: the there's the illusion of run on almost every pass 433 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: in their offense. You know historically what they've done, they've 434 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 2: run the ball really well, and then the passing games 435 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 2: worked off of that, everything looks the same. It puts 436 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 2: a defense in a bind. They can find matchups, they 437 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: can find space, things work together. When you're trailing, there's 438 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 2: no threat to run. We're just pure drop back. Now 439 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 2: it becomes not only are they on the on the 440 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 2: quarterback to be able to make big time throws in 441 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,719 Speaker 2: the tight windows, but now you've got to protect them 442 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: when they're really pinning their ears back and they're not 443 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 2: worried about the run game. Now, I think he did 444 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: a little bit more of that. Towards the end, you 445 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 2: saw a little bit more kind of just straight drop 446 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 2: back with Perdy because I think he got more confident 447 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: in him to do some of those things. But that's 448 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 2: not traditionally how that offense has been run, going all 449 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: the way back to his dad. So and what's what's 450 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: the other part of that equation, Well, your defense has 451 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: to be keeping the score down in order for you 452 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 2: to still you know, be in an advantageous position to 453 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: protect your offensive lineman. We think of offensive lineman protecting 454 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: the quarterback. Well, a defense and a scheme can protect 455 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 2: offensive lineman. And I think that's one of the things 456 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: they've had there as well. I think that has to 457 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 2: be discussed as part of that conversation. 458 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 3: It has to be discussed, but listed on the offense 459 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 3: side of the ball. And let's go because we're talking 460 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 3: about San Francisco specifically, and maybe why Forrester believes that 461 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 3: one of the issues that came up last year for 462 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 3: the forty nine ers was their inability to win consistently 463 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 3: against Manda Man. The teams that gave them the most 464 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 3: problems for the teams that played a lot of Manda Man, 465 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 3: the can't cit The Chiefs and the Cleveland Browns in particular, 466 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 3: played a lot of bump. 467 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 4: Mande Man challenged them. 468 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 3: Took away the easy access that they normally are afforded 469 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 3: because they run the ball and they have play action 470 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 3: that matches at and so they have free releases into 471 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 3: their routes. Well, now it becomes more of a mandemand league. 472 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 3: It requires more skill, better route running, better playmaking. You 473 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 3: need the guys on the perimeter to be able to 474 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 3: win on their own as opposed to the scheme creating wins. 475 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 3: Because remember when we talked about play action and a 476 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 3: lot of things they did, it was guys on the move, 477 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 3: bubble screens, tonal screens, deep overs. Yes, we've when we 478 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 3: take that part out, can you beat a high level 479 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 3: cornerback on your own? 480 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 4: It appears to me that Foster's saying, yeah. 481 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 3: We need to invest in the better way weapons that 482 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 3: have those skills, and we have to invest in those 483 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 3: early in the draft, because what do we talk about 484 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 3: the number ones get drafted in the top rounds because 485 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: coming out of college, they're the ones that have the 486 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 3: complete toolboxes. They're not just one trick ponies. The number 487 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 3: ones that typically are traditionally drafted in the first round. 488 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 3: Route runners, ball catchers, playmakers, after the kids, they have 489 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 3: all of that. Maybe it's the recognition that we need 490 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 3: more of those guys to be able to succeed against everybody, 491 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 3: as opposed to having this narrow path to victory against 492 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 3: most teams. 493 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, enter Ricky pearsall right, you look at their you 494 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: know their receiver room and all the players they have, 495 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: but they wanted another route runner, ius a good route runner. 496 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 2: Now you get another one in there with piersol So 497 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: again to help them against some of that man coverage 498 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 2: that they're going to see. But you know, I don't 499 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: think it's shocking the way he would say that. I 500 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: also would add it is easier when you have Trent 501 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 2: Williams already in the fold to say, okay, we can well, 502 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 2: that's we don't ever have to help We don't ever 503 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: have to slide left to help him out. We don't 504 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,239 Speaker 2: ever have to throw a tight end over there. That 505 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: gives us a lot of liberty and a lot of freedom. 506 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 2: And I was thinking about, you know, last year, the Chiefs, 507 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 2: well the Chiefs, their tackles were not good. And even 508 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: you could say, outside of Kelsey, the weapons were just 509 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 2: kind of so so, but the defense was dominant, the 510 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 2: quarterbacks unbelievable, and the scheme is fantastic. And the other 511 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: portion of that is they did have difference makers on 512 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 2: the offensive line on the interior because those three guys 513 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 2: are phenomenal, and that that is you know, they get 514 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: pushed and they can create a firm interior of that pocket. 515 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 2: So again I'm not saying you want five C minus 516 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 2: offensive line, and it'd be nice to sprinkle in some a's, 517 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 2: but it's more important that you don't have any f's. 518 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 2: That makes any sense. 519 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 3: It is that in this also, and Jim Harbot talked 520 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 3: about this. He talked when he talked about the offensive line, 521 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 3: and he talked about it working together and how the 522 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 3: offensive line makes everybody better. But one of the things 523 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 3: about the offensive line we talked about five individual pieces, 524 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 3: but really they're one because they operated one of their 525 00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 3: vote ron. 526 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 4: They all come together and make it happen. 527 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 3: The chemistry in the offensive line room is probably the 528 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 3: most important room that you have to see because these 529 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 3: guys have to be able to finish each other's sentences. 530 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 3: Because we've always talked about it like if you have 531 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 3: a sinner who has some issues but understands how to 532 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 3: play with his neighbors, understands how to use body help, 533 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 3: understands oh like in this protection my guys, he may 534 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 3: not be really helping me, but his body's going to 535 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 3: be there, so now I can overseet to the other side. 536 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 3: It's understanding all those things. They're not operating independently. They're 537 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 3: operating as a collective. And if you have a bunch 538 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 3: of bees, b pluses, that can be better than a 539 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: team that has an A and an F somewhere on 540 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 3: that offensive line. 541 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 4: Be good, very good. We don't have to be great 542 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 4: to be able to get to the next level. 543 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think it is a It's an interesting 544 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: discussion as you look at how you build out your team. 545 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: And you know, we've done that conversation with the Bengals 546 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 2: a million times when they had the Pina soul chase decision, 547 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: but they've still been chasing no pun intended, you know, 548 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 2: fixing the offensive line since they made that decision, it's 549 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 2: worked out well for him in terms of getting to 550 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 2: a Super Bowl. Burrow has been beat up a little bit. 551 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: The offensive line has had issues. He's taken a lot 552 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 2: of sacks, taken a lot of hits. So they've been 553 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: on a quest to try and have their cake and 554 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: eat it too, so to speak. 555 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, everything has to work together. So if you're going 556 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 3: to operate on the premise we don't need a great 557 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 3: offensive line, well you better be able to have some 558 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 3: playmakers that can make it happen on catch and run concepts. 559 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 4: They can turn short passes into big games. 560 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 3: You have a quarterback that can get it out of 561 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 3: his hands really quickly. 562 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 2: All of that has to work together. 563 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 3: You can't have a guy that wants to take long 564 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 3: drops and throw it all the way down the field 565 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 3: if you don't have the line in front of you. 566 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 3: I just think in the team building process, when you 567 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 3: make the decision to go one way or the other, 568 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 3: you got to make sure that all your actions matches 569 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 3: the philosophy. 570 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Another example, by the way, would be Peyton Mannings Colts, 571 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 2: who the group of offensive linemen. I mean, if you 572 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 2: looked at him as a group, good group. They played 573 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: well together individually, not the not the most talented guys, 574 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 2: but they understood the assignment. They knew the ball was 575 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 2: coming out quick and where did they spend their money. 576 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,239 Speaker 2: They spent their money and resigning those stud receivers and uh, 577 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 2: and that's where that's what the offense was. 578 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 4: So think about that. 579 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 3: We think about Bill Poli and the success that he 580 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 3: had in building what two three teams up to contender status. 581 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 4: He always investigated marquee quarterback. He had marquee weapons. 582 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 3: You thinking about using Indianapolis as a result, like Marvin 583 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 3: Harrison first rounder, Reggie Wayne first rounded, Edrian James first rounded, 584 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 3: he would spend big time value on one offensive Gonzales too, 585 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 3: wasn't Gonzales? 586 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, Anthony Gonzales was a first round pick. 587 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 3: They had what Tory Glenn was a first round office tackle, 588 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 3: Dallas Clark was a first round all the weapons, and 589 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 3: then on defense they invested in pass rushers, so pass rushers, 590 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 3: playmakers and one blind side protector and that was the 591 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 3: formerly that helped the Indian Office Goals win a lot 592 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 3: of games. It also helped Buffalo Bills win games before that. 593 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's kind of the blueprint that has 594 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 3: worked out. Well, maybe there's something to those theories. 595 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's uh again, it's it's fascinating to me 596 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 2: to see how there's you know, different ways to look 597 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 2: at building a championship team. And when go back to 598 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 2: the charge with Jim Harball, he said, you know, do 599 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: you take a weapon do you take an offensive lineman? 600 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 2: And his line was, I think offensive lineman are weapons. 601 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: And that's the way he's going to do it. He's 602 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 2: going to continue to invest in that. He's going to 603 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 2: buck that trend a little bit, and he's going to say, 604 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 2: you know, when everybody's zigging, I'm gonna zag and I'm 605 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 2: going to try and build a behemoth offensive line and 606 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna come out there with six of 607 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 2: them beat you up. So that's that's that's the other 608 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 2: side of it. 609 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 3: That is the other side, and we'll see what works out. 610 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 3: But it is clear it's I would say, like a 611 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 3: refreshing take on it. And I would say it's. 612 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: Unusual for an offensive line coach. 613 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 4: But then DJ, let's think about the late Howard Mudd 614 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 4: and what he was able to do. 615 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, like we just. 616 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 3: Talked about in and out, Like, think about how Howard 617 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 3: Mudd was able to take undrafted players Jeff Saturday, undrafted 618 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 3: player turn into a Perino pro bowler. I mean there's 619 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 3: something too. I would say, the better your old line coach, 620 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 3: the more likely it is that that philosophy can work 621 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 3: for you. But if you don't have a terrific developer 622 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 3: at the point of attach, you can't use you can't 623 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 3: you can't follow that. 624 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's again. Another thing that I'm looking 625 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 2: forward to is just seeing the Ravens, who you know, 626 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 2: offensive line wise, they've lost some pieces. They're gonna have 627 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 2: some new pieces in place here with this upcoming season. 628 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 2: But you get a big time runner and Derrick Henry 629 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 2: to put him in there, and then you know, that's 630 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 2: gonna be the same thing that first I was talking about. Okay, 631 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 2: well we're going to invest in the dudes and then 632 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 2: the offensive line. It's gonna make the offensive line better 633 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 2: because we've got a runner like that. So it's you know, 634 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 2: it's interesting, by the way, if you had to pick, 635 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 2: if you are the forty nine ers and right now 636 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 2: it's McCaffrey who wants it sounds like he wants a 637 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 2: new deal, and you've got Ayuk who wants a new deal. 638 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: If you had to, if you had to pick, and 639 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 2: I know, obviously the running back position and versus the 640 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 2: receiver position has been heavily slanted towards receivers. But that 641 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,959 Speaker 2: guy's a little different back there in McCaffrey. 642 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 3: I think I still would lean towards McCaffrey. I mean, 643 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 3: he just does so much for them, his presence and whatever. 644 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 3: And one of the reasons why I was an advocate 645 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 3: of him getting paid what he got paid the first 646 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 3: time around is I felt like he would he had 647 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 3: he had the game that could age gracefully at the 648 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 3: position down, meaning when it became a little noisy, maybe 649 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 3: his skills began to diminish a little bit. As a runner, 650 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 3: he still could be a playmaker that could catch the 651 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 3: ball out the backfield and do a bunch of different things. 652 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 3: And I know people won't remember this name, but I 653 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 3: was like, man, Christmascandford can do the running harmon stuff 654 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 3: like later in his career. He can just come out 655 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 3: on the edge. Put man be the third down back. 656 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 3: What if no one wants to have a put a 657 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 3: shield on, no one wants to have a high price guy. 658 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 3: But man, you can't tell me that Christian McCaffrey can't 659 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 3: run option routes out of the backfield back and forth 660 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 3: on the backside of three pin one and win over 661 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 3: and over and over again. I just feel like there's 662 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 3: always value that he can bring, not saying that you 663 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 3: can bring it. It would be hard for me if 664 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 3: I'm the Niners to part ways with Christian McCaffrey's for him. 665 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: You know who we got cheated on was and it 666 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 2: was it was no like McCaffrey didn't have this medical stuff, 667 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 2: but Todd Gurley had that kind of I think was 668 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 2: a the genitive degenerative right he had. He had the 669 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 2: kind of that pre existing issue that cut his career 670 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 2: way short. But he was one that I thought, you know, 671 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 2: when he got paid man like, I thought he would 672 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 2: age well like that too. But again he had a 673 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 2: pre existing injury that just he couldn't he couldn't stay healthy. 674 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 2: That was one that I always thought, man, that all 675 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 2: these running backs kind of falling off a cliff his 676 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 2: skill set when he can do run a rounds catching 677 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 2: the ball like, he might be one the ages ages 678 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 2: pretty well. But again, even even with McCaffrey, like, it 679 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: is a risk if you're going to pay the running back, 680 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 2: But I think that's one that I would probably probably 681 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 2: step in line to take. And there aren't many of them, 682 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 2: but that would be one. I would. 683 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 3: I just think you look at the production that he's 684 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 3: been able to put up since he arrived. I don't 685 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 3: know how you can do it. And I know people 686 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 3: talk about the injuries and those things. Yeah, you need 687 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 3: to draft another back. I just think you can transition 688 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 3: him into. 689 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 4: Other roles that allows you to get the money, to 690 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 4: get a return on the investment. 691 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 3: He's just been so good for them, And I know 692 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 3: you're not supposed to get caught up in the emotion 693 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 3: of like, oh, nostalgic man, he's been so man. The 694 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 3: production is the production, and their record with him on 695 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 3: the field is fantastic. 696 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 2: Maybe there's the compromise where you can say, hey, you know, 697 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 2: kind of go year to year on this thing. We'll 698 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 2: pay you gobs of money and every year that you 699 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 2: know you just keep you stay healthy, and we'll just 700 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 2: keep we'll redo it and we'll just keep giving you 701 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 2: more and we'll stretch it out so we can spread 702 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 2: me out, but we'll protect ourselves. But in terms of 703 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 2: a dollar base and what you're making in a calendar year, 704 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 2: you know, we kind of just for the position, we 705 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 2: got to go more year to year, but we will 706 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 2: you know, you'll you'll be light years ahead of every 707 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 2: other running back in Hermison. 708 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 3: Almost like almost like paying them on a series of 709 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 3: one year franchise tags. 710 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 2: That are Yeah, you just extended contracts. 711 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 4: Extending the contract just kind of good. Yeah, because you're 712 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 4: almost at that point. I don't know without knowing. 713 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 2: His age specifically, maybe it's two years, and maybe you 714 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 2: do it two years at a time, Buck, Maybe take 715 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: two years at the time. 716 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, it can be longer. I think even 717 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 3: now running backs I only get in three years and whatever. 718 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 3: I think Josh James was like just a three year deal, 719 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 3: saquon whatever. Like this had to be short and sweet 720 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 3: just because of the life span of the position. 721 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. Interesting conversation there. 722 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:42,719 Speaker 3: Uh. 723 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: Spurred on by by Chris Firster. All right, Buck, anything 724 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 2: else you want to add before we jump out of here. 725 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 4: No, that was good, man. I think it was short 726 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 4: and sweet. 727 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 3: We we took on a couple of tips, just talking 728 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 3: about the wide receivers and then the offensive line. I'm 729 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 3: just looking forward to now what these other contracts look 730 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: like when it comes to wide receivers. But you know 731 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 3: what I'm really waiting on, I'm waiting to see what 732 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 3: kind of deal Tua and Trevor Lawrence are able to 733 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 3: because Dad is going to look, that's going to spawn 734 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 3: another conversation when it comes to the quarterbacks and what 735 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 3: quarterbacks should be paid. 736 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 2: Yep. And then now you start getting like the guys 737 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 2: who are on the previous cycle, who like, all of 738 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: a sudden, like Josh Allen, might be might be time 739 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 2: to jump back up and line. Come on, now, my 740 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 2: money back in that mix. All right, that's gonna do 741 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 2: it for us. I hope you guys have enjoyed it, 742 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: and we'll see you next time. Right here on, move 743 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 2: the sticks