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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. This week's guest definitely someone that I've been

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Speaker 1: trying to get on the podcast for a very very

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Speaker 1: long time. We're trying to match schedules, and he was

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Speaker 1: over in Florida right around the end of last year

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Speaker 1: and got to spend some time with him. Tommy Fleetwood listen.

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge Tommy Fleetwood fan. I love his golf swing.

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Speaker 1: I think his golf swing's one of the best in

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Speaker 1: the game. I like the way he plays, but as

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Speaker 1: a person is just such a great guy. Works with

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Speaker 1: my dad, Butch Harmon now lives in Dubai. We've done

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Speaker 1: some work in our junior program with his two boys,

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Speaker 1: Oscar and Craig, who we talk about in the pod.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just like I said, I'm just a fan.

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Speaker 1: I think it's only a matter of time before he

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Speaker 1: wins a major, wins a big tournament. That's kind of

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Speaker 1: the game that I think he has. But I think

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Speaker 1: he's one of the coolest guys in the game of

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Speaker 1: golf and someone who if he's hitting golf balls on

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Speaker 1: the range, I will stop and take a look at

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Speaker 1: the golf swing, so really really good one. This is

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Speaker 1: Tommy Fleet would Tommy, We've been trying to do this

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Speaker 1: for a while, so it's kind of cool to do it.

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Speaker 1: End of the year for you twenty twenty four, as

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Speaker 1: a player told me, when you look at your season,

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Speaker 1: how do you grade it? I mean, as coaches, I

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Speaker 1: know how we look at our players and gread it.

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Speaker 1: But I'm always interested as a player. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: only miss two cuts, four top tens, third at the Masters.

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Speaker 1: I mean solid year. You won on is it DP

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Speaker 1: World at the beginning of the year, but no wins,

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Speaker 1: but a bunch of top twenty fives. I think you're

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Speaker 1: one of the best players in the game. I think

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Speaker 1: you've got one of the best golf swings in the game.

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Speaker 1: But when you grade, you sell that.

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Speaker 2: I have to say that, trust me, I don't.

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Speaker 1: When you grade yourself. What's the grade you give this year?

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Speaker 2: I think, I think it's been a good jet And

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Speaker 2: I always like I struggle with I struggle with grades

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Speaker 2: because it's like, you know, what what is what? What

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Speaker 2: is this successful? You know exactly what Sky going to

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Speaker 2: give himself because if Skuy's giving himself an A and

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Speaker 2: now I'm like a you like, but you know, I

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Speaker 2: think I've had I think I've had a really good year,

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Speaker 2: and I think, you know, there's there's two sides of it.

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Speaker 2: There's there's a at the end of the day, obviously,

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Speaker 2: the results are kind of the only thing that matters

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Speaker 2: because they're the things in black and white. But there's

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Speaker 2: also a level of performance. There's where your game has

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Speaker 2: been at. And I think I've played very, very consistent,

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Speaker 2: almost as consistent as I've ever been, if not the

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Speaker 2: most consistent with I would say enough like disappointment in

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Speaker 2: there and kind of on the edge of yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: on the edge of me competing a lot for tournaments,

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Speaker 2: whereas I've just been just a fraction off. So enough

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Speaker 2: of that to keep you, keep you motivated, keep you

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Speaker 2: like striving for more in a way, So I've had

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Speaker 2: a good year. And like you say, when you when

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Speaker 2: you rattle it off, you know, I did win. At

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Speaker 2: the start of the year, Masters was a you know,

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Speaker 2: a great week. The Olympics was something that was unbelievably

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Speaker 2: and then you know, I made it again. I think

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Speaker 2: it's under it's underrated how hard it is to make

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Speaker 2: it to Atlanta, to make it to East Lake, and

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Speaker 2: you know, I was having a you know, I had

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Speaker 2: a solid year on the DP world so two, so

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Speaker 2: there was a lot of good. How do I grade it,

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Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure. I just know that I'm happy

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Speaker 2: with a lot and unhappy enough to keep working, you know,

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Speaker 2: to keep working hard and wanting more.

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Speaker 1: What do you feel like you're better at the end

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Speaker 1: of this season in twenty twenty four than you were

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Speaker 1: last year?

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Speaker 2: Now? That is that is a great question. I think

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Speaker 2: my level of play across the board is probably fractionally higher.

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Speaker 2: I think I've definitely played more consistent this year. I

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Speaker 2: probably had better results last year.

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Speaker 1: It's funny how that can happen.

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Speaker 2: But I've been more consistent and I've been.

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Speaker 1: More consistent, but the results don't show it exactly. So

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Speaker 1: that's such a weird one because it is you as

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Speaker 1: the player know what and as the outside looking in

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Speaker 1: my my role of scorch, I can never get in

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Speaker 1: the players heads, bodies and stuff. So there will be

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Speaker 1: pretty good so this year And you say you feel

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Speaker 2: I would say, so I had I had three or

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Speaker 2: four really bad days, I would say there was one

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Speaker 2: at bay Hill where I'd lost my swing, and I

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Speaker 2: don't I can't remember how many balls in the water

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Speaker 2: on the the part five at sixth and the day

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Speaker 2: the day got away and the Open. This year I

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Speaker 2: played really poor when I expected more for myself. But

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Speaker 2: in general, my bad days have been better. My game has,

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Speaker 2: like we can week in week out, whether you have

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Speaker 2: you know, one or two sort of dodgy days in

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Speaker 2: the period of four day Tournamentich you know, you know

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Speaker 2: you're never going to play great for seventy two holes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah did back in the day, But I think that

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Speaker 2: in results wise, that has kept my lower end higher,

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Speaker 2: so that that's been really good. I didn't put like

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Speaker 2: from the summer onwards I started I just I struggled

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Speaker 2: when you look at because we're just talking about a year,

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Speaker 2: in the cycle. And eventually I remember saying that. I

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Speaker 2: remember I was. I was at the Masters in twenty

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Speaker 2: you know, I was playing rubbish. And I remember speaking

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Speaker 2: to Marko Mira and he was talking about the game.

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Speaker 2: He says, you've been playing really well, and I said, well, actually,

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Speaker 2: I said, I've been on a bit of a bad

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Speaker 2: he just looked at me and he went, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: drove it really well. I'm played pretty good. Yeah, where

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Speaker 2: am I compared to a year ago? It's a great question.

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Speaker 2: I would say just a little bit more consistent lower

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Speaker 1: I think the fans always hate it when guys play

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Speaker 1: well and they go, yeah, I didn't have my game today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it is I think at the level that you

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Speaker 1: it is trying to make your bad days that little

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Speaker 1: I don't think the average golfer realizes how quickly you

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Speaker 1: or Friday, and you're like Okay, I'm on the cut

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Speaker 1: all I'm on the cut all day on Thursday today,

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Speaker 1: I'll be on the cut all day on Friday. For

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Speaker 1: everyone listening, Tommy, how can everybody's bottom end, they're bad

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Speaker 1: days get better? Do you feel like that's a technique thing?

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Speaker 1: Because one of the things that I am very passionate

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Speaker 1: think everybody listening to this podcast, every time they play

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Speaker 1: well or play poorly, they just go, I gotta go

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Speaker 1: to the range. It's got to be my technique. And

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Speaker 1: I think at the elite profession all tour level that

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Speaker 1: And give me something that our listeners could say, Listen,

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Speaker 1: because as I say all the time, and I use

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Speaker 1: to improve their technique. And I'm not blowing smoke up

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Speaker 1: your euse. I watch you hit golf balls if I've

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Speaker 1: golf swings in the game. I just I love the

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Speaker 1: way you swing the golf club. But there's so much

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Speaker 1: So making that bottom end the not so great rounds better,

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Speaker 2: For me, I think consistency of a certain amount of habits,

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Speaker 2: play well. And I, you know, like everyone else, I

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Speaker 2: have days where my swing feels way off, like feels

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Speaker 1: Feel like as the type of player you are. I mean,

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Speaker 1: for everyone listening, their golf swing always feels off right.

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Speaker 1: For the rest of us, Tommy, our golf swings always

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Speaker 1: feel shit right, it always feels But for you, when

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Speaker 1: you say your golf swing feels off, what is that

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Speaker 1: feeling like to you? And what does that mean to you?

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Speaker 2: Probably I could boil it down to a couple of things.

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Speaker 1: It's not contact right. You never you guys, you guys

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Speaker 1: don't ever not hit the golf ball solid, come on.

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Speaker 1: Compare to everyone else.

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Speaker 2: For me, it would be a couple of things. My

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Speaker 2: transition feels like it's got no time whatsoever, So.

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Speaker 1: Get quick in change of direction from backswing to down.

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Speaker 2: So then impact is never where I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: I've never heard that, but that makes sense because everybody

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Speaker 1: getting quick, but I've never heard would someone say that

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Speaker 1: then makes the impact quicker as well, So you have

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Speaker 2: I know where I want to hit it, and I

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Speaker 2: know when I should hit it, and when I'm out,

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Speaker 2: I'm not hitting it at that point. So then but

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Speaker 2: then for me, transition will be quick and I hang

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Speaker 2: in two misses. Yeah, you know the left. The club

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Speaker 2: can be going left and I can hit it left

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Speaker 2: or obviously one I don't want to hit it left.

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Speaker 2: and it will be going way right. So then and

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Speaker 2: then I actually remember it. Your your dad told me this.

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Speaker 2: just in the corner. It's it's so different now, it's

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Speaker 2: so like actually I haven't played it since they made

434
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,440
Speaker 2: the changes, but you know that, Like, so you've got

435
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Speaker 2: the fifth hole, which was always that one in the corner,

436
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,119
Speaker 2: and it was kind of like a little dog likes

437
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 2: short off, but there was always a gap that you

438
00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 2: could go on to through the roads that was to

439
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 2: the right, and then over time hedges grew up in

440
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 2: bushes and and that will change so you could get

441
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Speaker 2: on at that point. But no, we never ventured out

442
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 2: too far. But yeah, like that like the open for

443
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 2: me just growing up in that town and that being

444
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: one of the first events I ever went to, It's

445
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 2: always had, you know, a massive impact on me. So

446
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 2: I would pick the Open, But then see, now I

447
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,199
Speaker 2: should really go with unders year because I'm like, if

448
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 2: I could win one tournament, I want to win the Open,

449
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 2: and he's won it. But then you're offering me scottis

450
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 2: year play. I mean, the truth is I would take either.

451
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Speaker 1: What about xandras golf swing? The game do you like?

452
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just he's one of those guys that

453
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Speaker 1: those of us that are lucky enough to see him

454
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 1: week in and week out and be a part of

455
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 1: this circus of professional golf. But this year it's gone

456
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 1: to another level. Yeah, and his consistency. Everybody kind of

457
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 1: knew that he was going to break out. You just

458
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: you knew it. You're very similar. I think everybody feels

459
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: the same about you. But when it happens, everybody goes,

460
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: all right, this is really really good. What do you

461
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: like about his golf swing? What do you like about

462
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 1: his game?

463
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 2: Again? Go back to the timing room. He has at

464
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 2: the top set up grip very very good, but the

465
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 2: timing roomy has at the top the rhythm that he

466
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 2: has and So if that's sounded like the sneaky speed

467
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Speaker 2: that he's got is he hits it. He hits he

468
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: hits it.

469
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Speaker 1: People don't realize how farestander can get it out there.

470
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Speaker 2: It is. It a long way with a lot of speed.

471
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I've always looked at his swing and loved

472
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 2: like his rhythm and like just sort of how his

473
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 2: arms and hands and body like work together.

474
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Speaker 1: Similar to you and in your caddy. I infinite I

475
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: think you guys are one of the best teams out there.

476
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Speaker 1: I think it's also helps Xander and Scottie Scheffler. They

477
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 1: have great caddies on their back, Austin Kaiser for for Xander,

478
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 1: and then I think Teddy Scott has been a massive man,

479
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: massive upgrade for Scotty, just in the fact that it

480
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 1: just meshes right. Sometimes. It just messaged the relationship that

481
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Speaker 1: you have with a caddy. You know, you and your

482
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: caddy and grew up together. He was sick, he had

483
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Speaker 1: some hord Is shoes and stuff like that. Was it

484
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: hard to play without him this year?

485
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: Well, I not have him on the bag. You notice it,

486
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, of course, it's a change. It's definitely

487
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 2: a big change. I was very lucky with the way

488
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 2: that it went that summer in terms of the people

489
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 2: that stood in. I had Adrian from Taylor made for

490
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, very close to me. Did Gray

491
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 2: the Masters. When I had Gray on the on the bag,

492
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 2: the local caddy was like like phenomenal and a great experience.

493
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 2: And then Dave Clark stood in for I think we

494
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 2: did seven weeks, six weeks or seven weeks, and he

495
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: was great. So I was very lucky with the people

496
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 2: I had standing in. Of course, when you've had someone

497
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 2: with you both personality wise and the way that you

498
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: would work everything out, you know, day in day out

499
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: for whatever seven years, probably since I was eight maybe,

500
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: so like it's it's a change, and I actually what

501
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: I had to when he when he came back, so

502
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: like it was it was great because once we got

503
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: past the initial phase of it, had had the operation,

504
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: he was okay, you knew he was on the road

505
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 2: to coverment. So that's very calm in then, and you

506
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: know that he's going to be back at some point,

507
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 2: so then you're just dealing with you know, working in

508
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 2: a different way with whoever it is. But I was

509
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Speaker 2: very lucky and I'm very grateful to the people that

510
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 2: stood in and and I had, you know, a good

511
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: time with them, and that was great. But when when

512
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: Finnel came back, I I so wanted it to go

513
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: so well at the start and like my game and

514
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 2: my attitude like just trying too hard, like early doors,

515
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: to like make it this like fairy tale. When he

516
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: came back was like was it was that that was

517
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Speaker 2: on me. But then and once we got back into

518
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: the rhythm of things and in the flow, like we

519
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 2: had a you know, a fantastic end of the year

520
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 2: and played some amazing golf, and it was It's been

521
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 2: great having him back and working together again. What do

522
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: you want from a caddy? You want?

523
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: I think, because I think every player is different, right,

524
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: Some players are going to want a ton of information.

525
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: Some people want a lot. Some people want it to

526
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: be a process. Some people want it to be collaborative.

527
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: Some people want to be told what to do. Some

528
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: people Tiger wanted to make all the decisions. Steve Williams

529
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: would give him the decisions. Tiger would make his own decisions.

530
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: Some players want the caddy to go no, no, we

531
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: do this, and then you do that. What do you

532
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 1: want from a caddy.

533
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Speaker 2: To be able to trust them to make a clear

534
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: decision in the most pressurized moments. Ultimately, like that end

535
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: that was, that would be what I would look for.

536
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: Hard working, hard working, in a great attitude. Really, those

537
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 2: two things or three things that I just mentioned, everything

538
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 2: else will be all right with.

539
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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen you not in a

540
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: good mood. Do you have bad days on the golf course?

541
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: You get down on yourself?

542
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have terrible yeah, just you know, just

543
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 2: like everyone else, I think, honestly, golf is the only

544
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 2: thing that can get me like sort of as riled

545
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: up or as disappointed as you know, I'm generally pretty

546
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 2: easy going, very calm, but golf, like I think it's

547
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,239
Speaker 2: it's just dealing with your own expectations. Like for all

548
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 2: of us, we put our heart and soul into our

549
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 2: craft and our careers, and then you you know, you

550
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: work so hard and the game makes no sense a

551
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 2: lot of the time. You can practice so well and

552
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: you feel so good and the course suits you and

553
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 2: you've played really before, and all of a sudden you

554
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 2: just like crash out like it, and and then I

555
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 2: think those are the hardest things to deal with. And

556
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: the mental aspects of golf is just like it's it's

557
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 2: like any aspects of your game, iron play, driving, chipping,

558
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: put in, fitness, Like mentally that's that's another just part

559
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: of the game, and you're going to have good days

560
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: and bad days with it. Kids to not beat yourself

561
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 2: up about it. And the key is to learn from

562
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: when you do have those bad days, because it will

563
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: make a difference. I've made so many mistakes mentally in

564
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: the past that have then led to me like either

565
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: winning a tournament or having a great finish because I

566
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: would have made that mistake earlier, you know, and learned

567
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: from it. So as long as you do that and

568
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: you keep sort of trying to grow and move forward,

569
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 2: like those bad days are fine. You know, you can't

570
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: beat yourself up about it because you've already done it

571
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 2: at that point. But yeah, I, like everyone have those

572
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: bad days and get hard on myself, get really down

573
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: on myself, disappointed, don't want to speak to anyone that

574
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: stuff like it all happens.

575
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: I was doing some research when the Kazakhstan Open twoy

576
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: eleven on the Challenge.

577
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: Tour fifth Major.

578
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fifth major is the kazakstanip and obviously, what

579
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: do you know more about golf now than you did

580
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: when you won a tournament in twy eleven? Meaning what

581
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: do you know more about everybody? Again, it's just thing

582
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: that I harp on and on about. Everybody that is

583
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: trying to play wants their technique to get better. Yeah,

584
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: and your technique is a moving target, right, it's ebbs

585
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,239
Speaker 1: and flows. You're gonna have weeks when you pay. But

586
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: from the playing of the game. You know, your first

587
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: kind of big professional win on the Challenge Store that

588
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: got you on the DP World twenty twelve, you qualified.

589
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: But what do you know more about playing the game

590
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: now than you did when you first were starting out?

591
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: I mean, you had a fantastic amateur career. You played

592
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: on the Walker Cup, high level, high ranked amateur, but

593
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: there's a big difference between playing golf at that level

594
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: versus the level that you're playing at now. Do you

595
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: feel like you've grown as a player and as a

596
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: person on the golf course. Do you feel like you

597
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: understand playing better?

598
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I Mean you're so much more experience because

599
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: you've you know, you've had so many different scenarios that

600
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: you've had to face and you've either got them right

601
00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: or wrong. I know more about every aspect of the

602
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: game in general. I understand what I want with my

603
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: technique more, or I understand how I want to work

604
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: more preparation. Preparation is a huge thing. I know so

605
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 2: much more now about how I want to figure out

606
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: a golf course, how I want to play a gold

607
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: You go.

608
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: About figuring out a golf course, because I think it's

609
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: something that everybody listening could take so much for. Go

610
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: to the golf course, whether it's your home course, whether

611
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: it's a new course. But if golf, go with a

612
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: game plan of what you're trying to When you look

613
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: at a game plan and you and you're Keddy and

614
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, when you guys try and get a game plan,

615
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: what are you guys trying to do? And in your head,

616
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: what is planning for a round of golf?

617
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: Mean, well, there's always the there's always the ideal way

618
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: to play every single golf follow every golf course. Very

619
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: rarely are you going to play it like that because

620
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: not every shot suittsuoe. And it goes back to the

621
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: other thing. You know, when you hit balls on a

622
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: range and when you practice, you'll step out on a

623
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: golf course and all of a sudden there's water on

624
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: the left, left or something. I mean, it just it

625
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: just changes. And I think you I think when when

626
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: you go out and playing a practice round, I think

627
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: being very aware of no matter how you how well

628
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: you play. I've never played a practice round that actually matters.

629
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: I mean like it's never had any you know, reflection

630
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: on my career in any way. It's just a practice.

631
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: I've shot sixty in a practice around and I've shot

632
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: ninety and.

633
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't make a correlation.

634
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: It makes no difference. So I but I almost think

635
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: you're better when you well. You are better when you

636
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: play bad in practice, because it gives you a heighth

637
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: end awareness of shots that you don't like, and you'll

638
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: focus in and you'll know that I need to you

639
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: know this this whole. You know, I don't like that shot,

640
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: or I I just can't seem to start it where

641
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: I want to start it. So I will either hit

642
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: a different club, or I'll accept that I'm going to

643
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: hit it, you know, maybe in the in the left

644
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: you know I'm likely to it in the left airway

645
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: trap there. I'll just go and hit some shots out

646
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: of it. And it's it's more about that's not like

647
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: being mentally weak or anything. It's just preparing for lightly

648
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: things that will happen greens on and around the greens.

649
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: Where do you want to miss it? Where do you

650
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: not want to miss it? You're always you know, you're planning.

651
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: It's easy when you're playing great. You know you're going

652
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: to strike a drive down the middle and you're going

653
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: to have an eight iron in and I'm going to

654
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: feel like, do you know what, I can go straight

655
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: out of it today and I can edit to five

656
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: feet and I'll roll the put in because it's fine.

657
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: But it's over the course of seventy two holes, there's

658
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: periods where you're going to be out of position and

659
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: you need to make pars on those holes or you know,

660
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: boge it worse. And it's where can I get up

661
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: and down from? If that's where I can get up

662
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: and down from, let's go practice it, even if it

663
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: feels simple or whatever. It is like just things like

664
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: that that we would do automatically in a way, but

665
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: I guess people might not think about it straight away.

666
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: What's it feel like when you're playing good? I mean,

667
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: you've had some incredibly low round sixty three US hoping

668
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: it's shin o'clock on one of the hardest golf courses

669
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: on the planet. For you guys, when when you're playing good,

670
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: are you aware of it? Does it feel different?

671
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: Do you you're just so exciting? Doesn't it feels great?

672
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: Because you guys look so calm when you've got it,

673
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: like a good one going what incited? Are you going? Man?

674
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: This is fun? Ah?

675
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: Like yeah, you know, I love those rounds where you

676
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: feel you feel so confident, you're in a great place

677
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: with your swing. You know, you're hitting the shots that

678
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: you actually see and you describe.

679
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: The starting where you want them, the story starting.

680
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: Where you want to start. You're hitting it where you

681
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: want to hit it in terms of the timing of it,

682
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: like go back to impact is where you want it,

683
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: things like.

684
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: That, and your caddie's going, hey, we put this fifteen

685
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: feet you know, below the hole. We're going to be fine,

686
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: and you hit it fifteen feet.

687
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it just it feels like everybody else playing

688
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: the game. We get all those same feelings, like so

689
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: much satisfaction in it. You get excited about it. You're

690
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: playing great. It's great. I mean, that's what that's all

691
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: that is good about the game of golf because it

692
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: keeps coming back and that's what you practice for to

693
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: have to have those days like that.

694
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: And when you're not hitting it good on the course

695
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: as an elite tour player, what does that feel like?

696
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: Do you? I mean, is it mental? Are you fighting

697
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: your swing? Is it just like nothing's going to work today,

698
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm getting bad?

699
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: Or did you well when it goes? There's so many

700
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: different elements to it. I mean, when you have the

701
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: really bad days like we talked about before we got

702
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: two way miss, it's just horrible being out there in

703
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: it because you don't you don't know where you're going

704
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: to hit it. You generally bail out somewhere. You don't have,

705
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: like you don't have a go to shot that you

706
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: can even it. It's like it's just it's just a grind,

707
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: Like it's just it's just a grind. But they're sort

708
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: of those are the days where you really have to

709
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: fall back on like being strong mentally, trying to be

710
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: as patient and accepting as possible, just.

711
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: You know, you can't maybe string some porous.

712
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: Just yeah, just just keep going because somehow, at some

713
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: point it might just click in or you just need

714
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: to get off the golf course in those eighteen holes,

715
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: go work on something again. Don't don't go trying to

716
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: search for it or find it. Go back to what

717
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: works for you in those bases, and it might just

718
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: come again. And that's why you try and hang around

719
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: like where your swing. You try and keep your swing

720
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: as close to where it's gonna You know that that's

721
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: what makes you hit it well. And even if you're

722
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: not hitting it wall Chi, stay is around that as

723
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: possible so that it can that it can come back.

724
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: But it was equally days where you feel like you're

725
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: playing well, you get stuck in between yardages, you get

726
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 2: a couple of bad bounces, like things just don't go

727
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: on the bad side of the draw, get the bad

728
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: side of draw. Things just don't go your way. It

729
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: just it just happens, isn't it. We play golf so

730
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: much that you're going to get all of these scenarios

731
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: you know, all the time.

732
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: Really, let's talk about sometimes you've played well the Ryder

733
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: Cup in eighteen twenty three, I mean, come on, man,

734
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: do you have to play that good right before? And

735
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: oh in Paris with Frankie. Yeah, you've played with Rory

736
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: in Italy and.

737
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: Just pick him up partners.

738
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: Really, that's part of it. You've seen to other than

739
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: Whistling Straits, where I don't think anybody on the European

740
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: side really played that great and the US guys just

741
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: ran through everybody. But you've seen to in the out

742
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: of the three two that you've played in, you've raised

743
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: your game so much so that the American guys, we'll go,

744
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: when does he putt like this? Right? The American guys

745
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: always say that they're like, dude, if these guys putted

746
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: like this week in and week out, they'd have like

747
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: forty majors. Like, is it the situation? Is it? Europe?

748
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: Is it the partnership? Is that? What is it? Because

749
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: you've you've had two Ryder Cups where you literally couldn't miss,

750
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 1: You're chipping in, you're hooping it from everywhere, you're knocking

751
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: it stiff or is it just a snowball of those

752
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: type of situations you just go, I'm gonna ride this

753
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: thing and we're gonna go.

754
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: I think it's probably all that one.

755
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: Eighteen You and Francesco Mulinari wouldn't necessarily pick you two

756
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: guys as a four and O partnership in the Rider Cup.

757
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: You just wouldn't know, but you wouldn't. I've never really

758
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: seen you guys like be like Jordan and JT, where

759
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: you guys are going everywhere together, You're having dinner on

760
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: and off. That's my point. Some of those were relationships,

761
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: like Brooks the first Ryder Cup he got in Minnesota,

762
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: they asked him who he didn't want to play with.

763
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: He and Brent Sneddecker both put each other because they said,

764
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: we play terrible together. Every time we play. They played great,

765
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: They won all their matches with a great partnership. They

766
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: had a blast. They bonded together. So when did you

767
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: know that you and Frankie were kind of going to

768
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, we're going to be that team of

769
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: the Writer Cup this time.

770
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 2: Well we yeah, we didn't. We wanted to play together.

771
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: Similar type games, yeah, similar.

772
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and almost like similar personalities to the point, you know,

773
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: friends so easy to be around. It's funny, like very dry,

774
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: very funny. And you always enjoyed his company, like We've

775
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 2: always found each of this company so easy. So I've

776
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: always got one great. So we wanted to play together.

777
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: You obviously don't know. Like most of the time, you

778
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 2: just leave it to the captains to decide. You obviously

779
00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: say you would like to play with, but again, you know,

780
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: the guys these days, they use so many stats and

781
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: they have, you know, what pairings they think will work,

782
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: and you go with that, and you just the captain.

783
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 2: And I think me and Frank got a run out

784
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: on that Friday morning. We were actually two down through

785
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: ten holes and Fran was playing unbelievable at the time

786
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: it won the Open that year. He was pretty much,

787
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: you know, best player in the world at the time,

788
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: and he went on a run there and then we

789
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: just kind of got going. But I do think we

790
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 2: played so we went the last group out on that

791
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: Friday both. I'm pretty sure we were last group out

792
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: in the morning and the afternoon, or maybe we were

793
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: third in the afternoon. But we were lay on when

794
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: we managed to get through that morning because we were

795
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: three nail down in Paris Friday morning and me and

796
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: Fran came through like we managed to survive our match

797
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: and get through it. But then the afternoon struck and

798
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: all we did I'm sure we were last. All we

799
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 2: had to do was just play because the cheers and

800
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: the crowd and the rest of the team. We're just like,

801
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 2: the momentum was so much that we just played. We

802
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: were in such a great spot being at the back,

803
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: you just rode that wave of what was going on

804
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 2: and like cruised through that day.

805
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: If you've never been to a Ryder Cup, and obviously

806
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: for everyone listening, they're never really going to be a

807
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: part of one, there is something about when you know

808
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: the rest of the team is on a roll, if

809
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: you're playing at home, it magnifies Just does it make

810
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: you feel like you're almost kind of I can free

811
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: wheel it now because.

812
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, playing at homes well, it clearly is a big

813
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: advantage because we're looking at the results how they've been.

814
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: I think Roy put it really well when he said

815
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: he felt like one of the hardest things to do

816
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: in golf was winning away or out a cup. And

817
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: it is for sure, because you know, there's one thing

818
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,959
Speaker 2: like changing momentum in a match, it's another thing changing

819
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: the momentum of sixty thousand people in you know, when

820
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: it's three matches or four matches, you know, whatever it is,

821
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 2: it's a whole different like scenario. And it is difficult

822
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: because you know so so for for the away Rider

823
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: Cup that I played Americans, unbelievable and we didn't play

824
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 2: how we wanted to, but like still I hit some

825
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: great shots at times and it was like just greeted

826
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: with silence, you know, because that's just what it is.

827
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: And I remember being me and Victor got off to

828
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: a really good start in one of the matches and

829
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: we were three up to eight I think, and JT

830
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: hold like a forty foot pot on nine like this

831
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: big curling put, unbelievable pot, but like this, the noise

832
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: in the sen off was unbelievable, like and you would

833
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: think they were three up, and it's like, you know,

834
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: it's it's mom just it just it does just have

835
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: such an impact. And there's there's something if you you know,

836
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 2: there's something beautiful as well about trying to go against

837
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: all that momentum and trying to like squash it. But

838
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: it's just very hard. It's just very difficult, but you

839
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 2: have to enjoy it like there, right, you know, that

840
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: that atmosphere that you get the Rider Cup both home

841
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: and away, it's like it is, I mean, you dream

842
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: of playing in those situations and in those you know,

843
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: in front of those crowds and for you are against you.

844
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 2: It's still like the most you know, it's the most

845
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: amazing experience.

846
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: Italy twenty three. You get paired with Rory McElroy. I've

847
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: got to ask you just how fucking good is this guy?

848
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: I mean, how good is this guy?

849
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: You know? We so good. We went for the So

850
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 2: we went for this practice day like two weeks before

851
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: they ride a Cup. Were just just a day the

852
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 2: whole team went and we so like Luke had gone through.

853
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: You know, we were playing in four balls of what

854
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: our potential parents would be. And me and Rory both

855
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 2: play we don't play the same golf ball, play similar

856
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 2: golf ball, so they know each other well. So we're talking.

857
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: You know, he's talking about playing foursomes and Eduardo we

858
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: had this like we had this course planner and there

859
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: was like so what you got is you would open

860
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: the course planet and there was a dot on the

861
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: holes which was like the ideal T shot. So like,

862
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 2: if you can get it there, that's the absolute ideal

863
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: T shot. I mean in general, if you're going to

864
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: it three hundred down the middle, you're in the ideal spot.

865
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: So I'm looking at you know, I'm looking at the

866
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: idea t shot on the first and I've hit mine,

867
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: So Rory steps up. He's hit it forty yards past

868
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: the ideal blue dot in the middle of the fairway,

869
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm gonna be fine. I'll play

870
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: with Rory. And it is amazing. It's it's amazing playing

871
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: with him. I I really enjoyed getting to watch sort

872
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: of what he There's there's watching the shots that he hits,

873
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: but there's also like in certain positions that I would

874
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: put him that was definitely far from my deal what

875
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 2: he actually would then see, Like he sees shots.

876
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he gets enough credit for being as

877
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: creative as you.

878
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: He sees shots that I mean, I can't hit that

879
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: I can't see. And you know, there'll be times when

880
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, I'm like looking, I'm thinking, what's

881
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: he what's he looking out? Like, what's he doing? Just

882
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: let him go because it's Roy Mackerroy, and you have

883
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 2: no idea whether he can pull it off or not,

884
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: but like, if anybody can, it's going to be Rory.

885
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: So it was I really enjoyed watching. Obviously, I enjoyed

886
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: playing with him as partner because he's unbelievable golf. But

887
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 2: watching like shots that he saw as well was really cool.

888
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: It must be when you're playing with Rory. It must

889
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: be hard not to watch it.

890
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: Oh yes, regardless of what tournament, it's great, isn't it

891
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: when you watch him drop?

892
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: I mean there must be times where he hits driver

893
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: in a tournament on a hole and you look at.

894
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: Each other and go, everybody everywhere is that going? Everybody

895
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: does it? Don't everybody does it? You're like, oh my god,

896
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: that's dead. No, it's just a completely different line that

897
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: you didn't think of. It's in the middle of the

898
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: and then you get down.

899
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: There around the corner and you go, look where he's one.

900
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 2: You're like, why is why is he not in a provisional.

901
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: But they formed friendships those Ryder Cups, right, yeah, yeah,

902
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: whether you win or lose, I think it's and I've

903
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: said this on the pod before when Brooks first made

904
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: the first Ryder Cup, I said, you will never not

905
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: want to be on one of these. You never want

906
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: to make And whether you win or you lose, those

907
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: weeks for you, what do you take away from those weeks?

908
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: You've been a part of three of them.

909
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, I take away a lot of inspiration, a

910
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: lot of motivation. Be like you said, being part of

911
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: a Rider Cup team. First of all, you're with the

912
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 2: twelve best players of your continent. They're all phenomenally players

913
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: and exactly twenty twenty four of the best players in

914
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: the world. So you take a lot of motivation from that.

915
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: You obviously don't want to miss another one, so you're

916
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: you're you know, you're driven to try and do whatever

917
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: it takes to make the next one. And there is

918
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: a there is a bond that when you've been in

919
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: that team room and when you've played. I definitely think

920
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: it's the most pressure and most nerves that that you

921
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: can feel in the game, just because of the hype,

922
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: the atmosphere, everything that builds up in Look, there's there's

923
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: definitely worse scenarios in golf. I mean, you can be

924
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 2: playing to try and keep your talk hard or whatever

925
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: it might be. There's much worse scenarios and there's pressure

926
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: in that way. But just the whole aspects of the

927
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: world watching the Ryder Cup and everybody that's there, they're like,

928
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: you know, the most pressurized times that I've felt. But

929
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: when you've done it with those with the guys that

930
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: have been in that team, and you make a you know,

931
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: you make very very strong bunds and friendships from that.

932
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: You work with my dad, butch harmon. You know every

933
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: lesson I've ever got from my dad. You know, if

934
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm hooking it'll he just say, we'll just stop hooking it. Well,

935
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: how do I do that? We'll just stop doing it?

936
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 1: Is right? I'm always I never really asked his question

937
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: to the guys that he works with, but what's he

938
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: like to work with? And how is he different to

939
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: work with? Because I have to do two things in

940
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: my life, right, I have to I have my father, right,

941
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 1: and then I have someone who is in the same

942
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: industry that I'm in, who, in my opinion, is at

943
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: the height of that industry from a golf instruction standpoint.

944
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: But I'm always interested in and I never really do it.

945
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: What's he like to work with? And how is it different?

946
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, when you go work with someone like

947
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: my dad, no matter how big of a player you are,

948
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: he is the goat of golf instruction, right, He's Sir

949
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: alex Ferguson, right he is, So when you go work

950
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: with him, I mean, there must be an acknowledgment that

951
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: I am going to be working today with one of

952
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: the greatest, if not the greatest in the game from

953
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 1: a golf instruction today.

954
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: Well, when you walk into the museum, when you walk

955
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: into his office, the museum, and then his swing studio

956
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 2: with all the flags in it and the wall of majors,

957
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: I mean like you're in one of the like you know,

958
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: one of the holy grails of golf. Like it's it's

959
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 2: it's unbelievable, like inspiring, it's very very, very very inspired.

960
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: It can be kind of I think some guys go

961
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: in there and go, Okay, this is a little kind

962
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: of overwhelming. But I have heard guys say they got

963
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: out of there looking at all those majors that Tiger

964
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: and all the guys and my dad worked with them.

965
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: They were like, I want to go on the wall.

966
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: I want to go on the wall.

967
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: I want to be I want to be on the wall.

968
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: You know I've never I've never spent time with your dad. Well,

969
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: I've not come out of it feeling more motivated or

970
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: more inspired.

971
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: He is a great motivator.

972
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 2: He's an amazing motivator.

973
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: He's a good cup bad cop. And he has a

974
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: reputation I think for being more bad cop than I

975
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: think the guys that spend time around him, like you

976
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: guys do, I think you would correct me. I think

977
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: you're probably surprised at how invested he is in your

978
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: game and absolutely what you guys are doing.

979
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: He really really is and he wants the absolute best

980
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: for you.

981
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: He wants it more than you guys.

982
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: And he's constantly bigging you up. Like he never makes

983
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: you feel bad about yourself. It tells great start, it

984
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 2: tells great storry.

985
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: What's that like? What's that like?

986
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: And from a coaching standpoint, he's never told me something

987
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 2: that I couldn't.

988
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: Do or seemed weird or you're like, where are we

989
00:46:59,280 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: going with this?

990
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: Ever told me anything that I didn't understand or anything

991
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: that I didn't feel like I couldn't do. And at

992
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: the same time, he's never told me anything that hasn't

993
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: made a positive like impact on my golf swink And like,

994
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: you know, one of the first things he made me

995
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: do when I went for my very first lesson, you know,

996
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 2: I went into his office. You know, we spoke for

997
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: a bit, then we went out to hit some balls.

998
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: You know, after three balls. You know, he's gonna just

999
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: set up more on your heels, put more weight in

1000
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: your heels. I mean, like I can do that, and like,

1001
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 2: that's not what you think you're gonna get. It's not

1002
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna get something about positions. And he's like,

1003
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: just get more weight in your heel, get more weight

1004
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: in your heels. And again he's he's very consistent with

1005
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: the messages that he sends and what what we need

1006
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 2: to do. You know, good bad under pressure is messages

1007
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 2: for what we might be working on at any given

1008
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: time or what works. Is always very consistent, so you're

1009
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 2: always doing very similar things.

1010
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: What do you feel Tommy, I'm blown away that you

1011
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: haven't won a major. I think you're going to win them.

1012
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: I think you're going to win a bunch of them.

1013
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: But what do you feel like you have to do

1014
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: to give yourself more legit chances? With nine holes to

1015
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: go and it's four times a year, they are tough,

1016
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: but you know that the great ones get themselves in position.

1017
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: What do you feel if you were being critical of yourself,

1018
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: what do you feel like you need to do better

1019
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: to have more legit chances? Real chance? It's not back

1020
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: door them, not backdoor top tens, top five, but legit

1021
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: in the mix with seven eight holes to go.

1022
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: Start a bit faster. That would be one of the

1023
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: first things. Just start quicker and get yourself in that

1024
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 2: position earlier. And you know, the majors, for sure, there's

1025
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 2: certain times where you have to write it out. I

1026
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: think the PGA was probably like a bit of a

1027
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: freak major this year in terms of the scoring.

1028
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: And we're not going to get those very often.

1029
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: That doesn't happen very often.

1030
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: So like a normal tour event, well, you felt like.

1031
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: You could make but I thought that golf course was hard.

1032
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: I know, but it was really long, but everybody kind

1033
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: of felt like they could make up ground each day. Yeah, yeah, right, So,

1034
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: I mean it seemed that way. The guys that I

1035
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: was talking to, especially going to the weekend, They're like, Okay,

1036
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: I feel like I can shoot a lower. Nobody is

1037
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: going on Saturday at.

1038
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: AUGUSTA going, but definitely riding out. The most important thing,

1039
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 2: it seems in majors is you have to ride out

1040
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: that struggling period and you have to, you know, be

1041
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,479
Speaker 2: able to grind out of the paths and the best

1042
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 2: majors that I've or the best results I've had in majors.

1043
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: I've done that very very well, and I think that's

1044
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: always something you know, like very important to look at.

1045
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 2: I I love, you know, I enjoy watching the great

1046
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: major champions or the ones that find themselves up there

1047
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 2: a lot currently and in the past, just how they

1048
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: go about things, how they speak about the majors, and

1049
00:49:58,239 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 2: and you know, one of the one of the best

1050
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 2: things they all do. Everybody knows the majors to the

1051
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 2: ones that change your career when you look back on it.

1052
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: But they just take those events in their strides, and

1053
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 2: you know that better than it comfortable doing it, You

1054
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 2: know that better than anyone. With Brooks, he likes majors.

1055
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: He likes the fact that it's going to be messy

1056
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: and dirty and chaotic.

1057
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 2: And he's already very at ease with it before he's

1058
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 2: He kind of likes that because actually.

1059
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 1: Everybody says they like it, but you know, very few

1060
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: people really like it. Yeah, but there are people I'm

1061
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: sure that you have played with that in the most pressure.

1062
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: You can see that they're good at handling it.

1063
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. And you know I I you know,

1064
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: I've looked at the guys that were majors. You know,

1065
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: I could put better in majors, and I think I

1066
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 2: think the majors because they're the toughest tests very often.

1067
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 2: So so like if I could pick a weakness in

1068
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 2: my putt in especially statistically, once I get outside five

1069
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: feet five to ten feet, you can make big gains

1070
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 2: and they can be very important puts. Majors you have

1071
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: a lot of them. It's harder to get for par

1072
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: and that's like a very very important range in majors

1073
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 2: because it's very difficult to get the ball clothes and

1074
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: you're gonna have a lot of them for pass So

1075
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: I think, I think I could, you know, just hold

1076
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: some of those momentum puts and those pressure puts in

1077
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 2: the majors to just give me some because we're talking

1078
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: about giving yourself, you know, that chance going into the

1079
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 2: bat nine where anything can happen, and that would be

1080
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 2: where I'd like to find myself more often. Give yourself

1081
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: more chances, and I'm sure you know eventually, if you

1082
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: give yourself enough chances, you will walk through the door

1083
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: at some point. And I you know, I still I

1084
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 2: always try and talk to myself in the right way

1085
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: and everybody has a different story. And for me, I'm

1086
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 2: definitely not the guy that has come out of the

1087
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 2: blocks at twenty one, twenty two and won a major

1088
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: or one two majors or anything like that. But hopefully,

1089
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 2: and I'll, you know, keep believing that my story will be.

1090
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 2: It took him longer than we thought, and it took

1091
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 2: him a long time, but look at what he ended

1092
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 2: with at the end of his career. So you know,

1093
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: whether that happens or not is a different story, but

1094
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: that you know, that is what I will keep telling

1095
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: myself at this point.

1096
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: Lastly, you counted for your steps on Oscar this year

1097
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: in a challenge to her the other steps on mo

1098
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: We've we've both been lucky enough to work with them

1099
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: at my accounty, but it's in Dubai. But it's been

1100
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: fun to watch obviously, I mean, and when did you

1101
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: meet them? How old were they young? Because I have

1102
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: a stepdaughter who I met when she was eight My

1103
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: wife and I I got together, and she's I call

1104
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: her my daughter. She's the only daughter I'll ever have.

1105
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 1: I think of her. I think the role that you've

1106
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: played in both of their lives has been pretty pretty

1107
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: cool to watch and pretty interesting.

1108
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: It's very kind I think five and seven or six

1109
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 2: and eight, so especially like especially Mo Moe is like

1110
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: young and you know, so were they big into golf, No,

1111
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: not really. They sort of tried it a little bit

1112
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 2: obviously the mum worked in the game. So and then

1113
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: I I actually remember so I took them on a

1114
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: full sized golf course for the first time. We've got

1115
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: videos somewhere quite a long time ago, so you know,

1116
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 2: I would say they definitely came on a golf course

1117
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: for the first time with me. So that's been cool

1118
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: being part of being part of that journey because you

1119
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 2: know what it's like. I mean, we obviously loved the game,

1120
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: and we've grown up with the game, and we have

1121
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 2: Frankie now who's seven, who has been playing since he

1122
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 2: was you know, since since he was tiny. But like

1123
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 2: having having your kids that are so invested in love

1124
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: the game, like I love nothing more than going out

1125
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 2: and playing with with those guys, like that's that's my

1126
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: favorite thing to do.

1127
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: I was hanging out with Oscar right of the first

1128
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: tea at the Ryder Cup when you guys were going out,

1129
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: and it was just so.

1130
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 2: Cool that nervous but two of us were sitting there, you.

1131
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: Know, and there's all these people and everybody singing and stuff.

1132
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: And I saw him in the crowd and I went

1133
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: down and we were hanging out and stuff, and he

1134
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: had just played really good in the tournament, so I

1135
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: was talking about that. But we were just looking around

1136
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: at the atmosphere. It must be cool to watch them progress.

1137
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: I mean, they've turned into pretty good players.

1138
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're doing good. They're doing I mean, what was.

1139
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: It like Candy and Form in a Challenge Tour event.

1140
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 1: Were you giving him advice? Were you just letting him

1141
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: do him? Or were you trying to go, hey man, no,

1142
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: let's just just hit it over here.

1143
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not seven iron I felt like so for him,

1144
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: that was such a big step up for him, Like

1145
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: it was amazing that It's like Fino was cardied for

1146
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 2: him too, and finn I was caddied for into like

1147
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 2: who knows who was better, but we made a coating

1148
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 2: a Challenge toy, so you know, like it was it

1149
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: was a big step up for him. And obviously it's

1150
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: it's somewhere where you know, he eventually wants to be

1151
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 2: like playing as a professional tour and professional so Challenge

1152
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 2: to it was amazing opportunity for him, and he was

1153
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: he was very nervous. But I I think what was

1154
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: what was good for him was and it's not necessarily

1155
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 2: not everything I said was right, like definitely, like definitely

1156
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: I got stuff wrong. But I think the more important

1157
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: thing was the confidence and belief he had that what

1158
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: I was saying was right helped him just hit a

1159
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 2: good golf shot, like it just helped him commit to

1160
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: what he was doing. And you know, I played on

1161
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 2: the Challenge Tour, so I've been through all those experiences,

1162
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: so I think I had a help, you know, I

1163
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 2: could help him in that way, Like there was nothing

1164
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: that he was gonna sort of go through that week

1165
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: that I hadn't done. But I'm not hitting the shots

1166
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 2: like it's all it's all well and good to me

1167
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: saying what to do. I'm not the one hitting him.

1168
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 2: And he teed off on Thursday morning, and I swear

1169
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 2: he played. He had a put on the ninth for eagle.

1170
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 2: He actually three put it in the end, he had

1171
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: this twenty footer to go fourmder through nine. He could

1172
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 2: have been eight under by the way, and I was like,

1173
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: oh my god, Like I was like, he's playing unbelievable,

1174
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: Like this is a joke, Like we would discuss a

1175
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 2: shot and he would just hit that exact version of

1176
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 2: the golfshop. I couldn't do it, And I was like,

1177
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: this is unbelievable. But to make the cut, like because

1178
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 2: you get you know, you get caught up in everything

1179
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 2: in the game, and there's so much going on at

1180
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 2: the top end, and there's like you know, there's there's

1181
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: Ryder Cups, and there's like, you know, there's so much

1182
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 2: success like in the game, and these players that are unbelievable.

1183
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 2: But at the same time, like him making a birdie

1184
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 2: on the last week he made the cup by two.

1185
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 2: He was seventeen.

1186
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: Seventeen, he's making challenge, but like how.

1187
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 2: Happy he was, How happy I was? It was it

1188
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: was so cool and it was so good. And to

1189
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: have that like purity of the joy of the game

1190
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 2: and what like just those moments that it can bring

1191
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: at whatever level that is was great to be a

1192
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: part of. And you know, Mos just won a tournament

1193
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 2: like last week. Just watching how happy they are to

1194
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 2: perform well, to play well, to win a tournament is

1195
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 2: really cool to see and it definitely keeps you. They

1196
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 2: help me enjoy the game, like for sure.

1197
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: Because the cool thing is their kids that are growing

1198
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: up on tour, right, Yeah. We see them at majors,

1199
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: we see them at driving ranges on that so they

1200
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: are very much I look at the upbringing that they have.

1201
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: It's very similar to the upbringing I had. I was

1202
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: at tour events, you know, at a very young age,

1203
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 1: I was on tour. You know, I've been on tour

1204
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: basically my whole life. Is it fun having them come

1205
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: out on tour with you?

1206
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? I love having I love having them out. Like

1207
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 2: most traveled a lot, loves being out on tour. Yeah,

1208
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: I love having the guys out. I love having my

1209
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: family out obviously, you know, I travel a lot and

1210
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,959
Speaker 2: I travel a long way to play. But having having

1211
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 2: those guys out when they come out, and knowing that

1212
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: they're learning as well, knowing that they enjoy it, knowing

1213
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: that they like being out on tour, it's great And

1214
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: I do think it's it has a positive effect on

1215
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 2: them growing up, and I think it gives them to

1216
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: go back to motivation and inspiration, you know, to be

1217
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 2: able to for me, being able to play on tour,

1218
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: bring those guys out and give them the opportunity to

1219
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: be both learn and be inspired by by everyone that's

1220
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: out there and the tour. You know, yeah, I'm very

1221
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 2: proud of that.

1222
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: How much have they inspired you to kind of put

1223
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: in your new Tommy Fleetwood Junior Academy in Dubai. I

1224
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: think that's and I think it's amazing that you just

1225
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: had a tournament where you got together with the AJGA,

1226
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: had a tournament in Dubai. That's the first time that's

1227
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: ever happened. I mean, there have been a lot of

1228
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: players to me that have lived in and out of

1229
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: Dubai for a long time. The fact that you're the

1230
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: first one that's ever said, hey, listen, let's get the

1231
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: AJJA involved. Let's get some wagger rankings for these players.

1232
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Dubai is a very small market, but I

1233
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: think it's an important market being around you know, Mo

1234
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: and Oscar and has been kind of a catalyst for

1235
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: you to say, listen, junior golf is the future and

1236
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and do as much as I

1237
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: can to make a mark.

1238
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, And I think it's really important to give all,

1239
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 2: you know, the kids the opportunity to learn and play

1240
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 2: the game. I think that's really important and give them

1241
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 2: like good information as well at the same time, like

1242
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 2: give them the best possible chance of like in the

1243
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: game and succeed in and whatever that might be. I

1244
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 2: also just think golf in general helps you be a

1245
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 2: success or whatever you want to be. So I think

1246
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: it's very important lessons of course. Yeah, and you know,

1247
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 2: you've you've had the academy and do buy a long time.

1248
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 2: There's so there's so much good and there's a lot

1249
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 2: you know, golf very popular over there, and there's a

1250
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 2: lot of kids that play, and you know, the Asia

1251
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 2: Pacific Amateur came over there a couple of years back.

1252
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 2: The tour has been going there for a long long time,

1253
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: and there's just been this like not necessarily a voyage,

1254
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,479
Speaker 2: there's has.

1255
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: Been avoid I lived in Dubai for three years from

1256
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight to twenty eleven, and you'd work

1257
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: with these kids and they didn't really have a way

1258
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: to gauge themselves off of other kids. They were good

1259
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: kids in the region, they were really good kids, but

1260
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: they they tended to be the best kids in every tournament.

1261
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: And I think one of the cool things is the

1262
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 1: competition that that these tournaments that you've you've come up with,

1263
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: those are going to be the tournaments. Like the two

1264
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: kids from our academy that that won the first they

1265
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: were so excited. That was like to them felt like

1266
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: one of the biggest tournaments for them.

1267
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: Like it's like it's like that guy playing in an

1268
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: A G A event.

1269
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: We got to make sure that you get that the

1270
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: A J J gives them the champions bags, right, they

1271
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: got you get like you've got it. That is such

1272
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: you don't realize as a junior golfer. You show up

1273
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: on a driving range, as a junior golfer with an

1274
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: A J G A champions bag on, everybody looks at

1275
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: you different. That is him quickly equipment of like a

1276
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: major championship for junior golf. So you show up with

1277
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: one of those bags and everybody kind of goes, that's

1278
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: what I want to do. So I think it's really

1279
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: cool that that you've been able to do that, and

1280
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: I think that can really really grow in the region

1281
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: for the kids in that part of the world that

1282
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: have never really had like a a major to play in, Right,

1283
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: They've got to travel the fact that they've got one

1284
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: in their their backyard, they can go and win an

1285
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: AJGA event and get wagger. Yah.

1286
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously it puts them in a good position for

1287
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 2: if they want to go to college. You know, they're

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01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: on the map. And I do think you know from

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Speaker 2: my experiences in Dubai, I'm sure you're the same. The

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Speaker 2: facilities are great, the coaching is very very good. There's

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Speaker 2: some great coaches out there, and there's some really good players.

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Speaker 2: But you know, and as much as we can enhance

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Speaker 2: that platform at a junior level, that can only be

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Speaker 2: a good thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you are one of the players told

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Speaker 1: me that if a young golfer was trying to model

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Speaker 1: their career after I mean, they couldn't pick. I look

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Speaker 1: at you. I look at guys like you and Adam Scott.

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Speaker 1: I look at the way that you guys just conduct yourselves.

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Speaker 1: I don't know anybody that doesn't like you. I don't

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Speaker 1: know anybody that doesn't think you're like.

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Speaker 2: What you wouldn't tell me anyway, you know, I would.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but I just think you're a credit to

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Speaker 1: the game. You're a credit to the sport. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying this just to massage your ego. If you

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Speaker 1: don't have multiple major championships while we're done. There's something

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Speaker 1: wrong with you, because I think you've got one of

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Speaker 1: the best swings in the game and one of the

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Speaker 1: best games in the game. So I'm excited to see

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Speaker 1: your time.

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Speaker 2: Is hopefully still to come, and there'll be plenty of them.

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Speaker 1: So great talking to you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, I thank you.

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