1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,199 Speaker 1: Just a quick heads up. Today's episode talks about sexual 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: assault and domestic violence. There Are No Girls on the 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: Internet as a production of My Heart Radio and Unbust Creative. 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: I'm Bridget Todd, and this is There Are No Girls 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: on the Internet. So I have a bit of an 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: update for you on the Johnny Depp amber Heard defamation trial. 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: You will probably remember that earlier this summer, a jury 8 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: determined that actor Amber Heard was liable for defaming Johnny 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: Depp ed published in The Washington Post where she said 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: that she became quote a public figure representing domestic abuse, 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: even though she never publicly named Johnny Depp as her abuser. 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: Earlier this summer, Depth supporters crowd funded thousands of dollars 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: to unseal some six thousand documents, which contain evidence that 14 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: lawyers for both Depth and Heard were able to keep 15 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: out of the trial itself. Now, the idea here was 16 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: for Depth supporters to publish new dirt on herd, but 17 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: it seems like it potentially has backfired because the documents 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: include some pretty unflattering information about Johnny Depp and paint 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: a clearer portrait of how his legal team worked to 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: weaponize misogyny against Amber Heard during the trial. For instance, 21 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: previously sealed pre trial documents show that Herd's lawyers argued 22 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: that Dep's team was trying to introduce nude images of 23 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: Amber Heard into evidence and include Amber's work as an 24 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: exotic dancer years before she ever met Johnny Depp, and 25 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: that Mr Depp was quote attempting to frivolously and maliciously 26 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: suggest or imply that Misheard was at one time an escort. 27 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: The unsealed documents also show some of the evidence that 28 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: Depth's legal team worked to exclude. The Daily Beast reports 29 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: that this includes testimony from actor Ellen Barkin, who claimed 30 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: that Johnny Depp angrily threw a bottle in her direction 31 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: when they were dating, and testimony from Dr David Spiegel 32 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: as like Hiatrist, who testified on behalf of her about 33 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: the alleged trauma inflected by Depp. They're also pretty awful 34 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: text between Depp and his friend actor Paul Pattaney, where 35 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: Bettaney suggested that they submit her to a quote drowning 36 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: test to determine whether or not she's a witch, to 37 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: which Johnny Depp replied, let's drown her before we burn 38 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: her and then goes into some pretty disgusting commentary about 39 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: her corporates, which I won't get into here. The unsealed 40 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: documents also included audio of herd telling depth quote, I 41 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: had dumped you a fucking week week prior after you 42 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: beat the ship out of me. There is a lot 43 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: more there, so I'll link to the full Daily Beast 44 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: article that did a great job breaking down the unsealed 45 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: documents in the show notes. So, when the results of 46 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: the trial were first announced earlier this summer, many celebrities 47 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: showed support for Johnny Depp by liking his celebratory post 48 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: on Instagram. But now some of those same celebrities, including 49 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: folks like Kelly Berry and Bella Hadid, have quietly unliked 50 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: that post. Now this could signal that there's a shift 51 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: in public opinion happening in light of the unsealed files. Anecdotally, 52 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: I can definitely tell you that TikTok used to be 53 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: absolutely flooded with pro Johnny death means and compilations. I 54 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: seriously could not escape them, no matter how many times 55 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: I told TikTok that I wasn't interested. But recently I've 56 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 1: actually started seeing more content that is sympathetic to amber 57 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: Heard on the platform, So the trial may be over 58 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: for now and less amber Heard's team appeals, and public 59 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: opinion maybe shifting. What does this mean for the people 60 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: and brands who made platforms off of following and recapping 61 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: the trial. You might recall that in our previous episode 62 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: about the trial, we specifically talked about the cottage industry 63 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: of people and brands who have built platforms and gotten 64 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: lots of engagement from the trial. Like on Etsy, there's 65 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: an entire thriving industry of sellers who make and sell 66 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: memorabilia related to the trial. This one is really gross, 67 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: so trigger warning. Amber her testified that she was sexually 68 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: assaulted with a bottle, and a sex toy company called 69 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,559 Speaker 1: Twisted Fantasies created a liquor bottle shaped like a sex toy, 70 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: which they posted on their social media alongside the caption 71 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: quote reach a new depth with the new Amber's Mark 72 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: liquor bottle. People were understandably sickened and outraged, and the 73 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: company apologized if survivors were upset, but more or less 74 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: stood by what they did, releasing a statement saying the 75 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: sex toy had been a tongue in cheek way to 76 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: support Johnny Depp. And I know I talked about this 77 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: in that initial episode, but I just find the mem 78 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: ification of a trial that, at its heart, regardless of 79 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: how you look at it, is about domestic violence, and 80 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 1: I just found that to be a little bit gross, 81 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: and I think it sends a clear signal to survivors 82 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: of domestic violence that you could be turned into a 83 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: national joke if people think you're lying. It's not just 84 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: brands who are getting in on ripping about the trial. 85 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: It's creators too. YouTubers and TikTokers that popped up solely 86 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: to create commentary on the Amber heard Johnny depp defamation 87 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: trial exploded in popularity during the trial, So people have 88 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: been able to build entire lucrative platforms off of this 89 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: one trial. And that's really what I want to talk 90 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: about today. So a lot of this reporting comes from 91 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: Cat ten Barge, an Internet reporter at NBC who has 92 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: done a great job of covering the case and its 93 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: online fallout. She writes that some YouTubers and content creators 94 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: amassed millions of views by covering the trial from a 95 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: pro depth point of view, as pro herd creators have 96 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: received more attention. Over time, creators have become more adversarial 97 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: toward one another, extending the culture war sparked by the 98 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: Herd Depth legal battle. And that is exactly what is 99 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: happening here. So, someone who uses the pseudonym Camilla on 100 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: Twitter runs a Twitter account that regularly posts viral threads 101 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: of evidence against Johnny Depp and other celebrities accused of 102 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 1: domestic violence. Camilla's real identity is not known. She's anonymous 103 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: to text her privacy Laura but Covin, who calls herself 104 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: a truth seeker and a quote internet journalist, runs a 105 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: Twitter account with seventy thousand followers and a popular YouTube 106 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: channel dedicated to supporting Depth and creating pro Depth viral content. 107 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: During the trial, cat ten Bart at NBC reports that 108 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: some of Laura's tweets about the trial received more than 109 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: twenty five thousand likes, and her YouTube video was about 110 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: Depth's legal cases, have more than three hundred and seventy 111 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: thousand combined views. She was also in contact with Depth's 112 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: team before the trial. So stick with me here because 113 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: this is where stuff gets a little bit complicated. Last week, 114 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: Laura tweeted at Camilla and applying that Camilla wasn't just 115 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: someone following the trial and tweeting about how they thought 116 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: Johnny Depp was an abuser. Laura accused Camilla of actually 117 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: being a paid member of Amber Herd's PR team. Laura 118 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 1: tweeted quote is this you and linked to a Deadline 119 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: article about the hiring of Chrysanto White at Shane Communications, 120 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: a firm contracted by Amber her to manage her PR. Now, 121 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: Camilla outright didn't noted that she was Crysanta. So Chrysanta 122 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: is a person who actually exists, and she actually does 123 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: work for Shame Communications, the firm retained by Amber Heard. 124 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: But Chrysanta says she doesn't do social media for them 125 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: and staid she works in diversity and inclusion. So what 126 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,559 Speaker 1: evidence is there that Camilla is actually Chrysanta, a paid 127 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: hill for Amber Heard? Well, Camilla's Twitter account uses the 128 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: image of a cartoon black woman with natural hair, and 129 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: Chrysanta is a black woman with natural hair. Also, on 130 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: Chrysanta's Pinterest account, she has pinned illustrations of black women 131 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: with natural hair. And that's pretty much where the evidence ends. 132 00:07:44,400 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: That's pretty much it. Let's take a quick break at 133 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: her back. So we were talking about how Laura, a 134 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: pro Johnny Depp content creator, accused an anonymous Twitter account 135 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: using the pseudonym Camilla of actually being Chrysanta White, a 136 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: black woman who works for the company that Amber heard 137 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: retained for PR services, just because seemingly they are both 138 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: black women. Now, Laura may have just tweeted out the question, 139 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: but after Laura's tweet acting the question about Camilla, Twitter 140 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: really ran with it. As of this recording, there are 141 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: still plenty of tweets up claiming definitively not just asking 142 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: the question, that Camilla is actually Chrysanta, and that she 143 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: is being paid by Herd's team to make viral anti 144 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: Johnny Depp tweets. Now, Chrysanta says this has led to 145 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: a wave of harassment against her and her family. She 146 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: wrote in a statement quote, the unbounded online harassment has 147 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: gotten out of hand with addresses of my loved ones 148 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: being posted on the internet. So for the record, I 149 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: am not Pamilla, nor have I ever communicated with this page. 150 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 1: I had no idea either of these pages existed prior 151 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: to this situation, and was only made aware of their 152 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: existence and original thread by an email that was sent 153 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: to my personal email. I was not hired to work 154 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: on this case. Per the original article posted by Laura, 155 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: I was hired in March. It is public knowledge that 156 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: our firm did not begin working on this case until May. Now. 157 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: Remember that Twitter slew thought that Chrysanta must have been 158 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: behind the Camilla account because the Camilla account uses a 159 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: cartoon image of a black woman with natural hair, and 160 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: that Christanta's Pinterest account has pinned similar looking cartoons and illustrations. 161 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: But Chrysanta explains saying, regarding my Pinterest account, I'm a 162 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: black woman with natural hair. I absolutely like art that 163 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: looks like me. Why would I not want to use 164 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: art like those pinned on my art board to plan 165 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: for decorating my home? She goes on the same I 166 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: have always prided myself and having an outstanding reputation. In turn, 167 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: I am taking legal action against Laura just a heads up. 168 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: Journal lists reach out to the person before making false accusations. 169 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: Here my mom's age and I'm your daughter's age. Can 170 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: you imagine someone doing this to your child? Chrysanta's lawyer 171 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: sent Laura a cease and desist, reading, we are hard 172 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: pressed to understand why you think miss White is Camilla? 173 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 1: Is it because both women are African American. Regardless, your 174 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: false accusation against miss White has resulted in a steady 175 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: stream of harassment and threats by people who believe your 176 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: claim and are like minded with respect to Johnny Depp 177 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: the amber Heard defamation case. Now, Laura did say that 178 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: she did not intend for Chrysanta to be harassed, tweeting 179 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: I just followed the research and where it took me. 180 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: I never encouraged anyone to harass. Sorry, so I have 181 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: been on the receiving end of enough online harassment to 182 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: know that I was just posing a question. I never 183 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: called for anyone to be harassed. Is a pretty common cover. 184 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,119 Speaker 1: And when you have almost a hundred thousand Twitter followers 185 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: that you have amassed around an issue as intense and 186 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: divisive as the Johnny Depp amber Heard trial, you have 187 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: got to expect that making these kinds of baseless allegations 188 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: is just setting folks up for harassment. And if you're 189 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: calling yourself a journalist, well, most journalists would do actual journalism, 190 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: which is more than just tweeting out a bunch of 191 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: unfounded conspiracy theories and letting your audience run wild with it. 192 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: Because here's the thing, about trafficking and conspiracy theories about 193 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: actual people. Once they're out of the box, and it's 194 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: almost impossible to get them back in. And even though 195 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: Laura may have tweeted a half hearted apology and said 196 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: that she was just asking questions and following the research, 197 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: that doesn't make it go away. And what infuriates me 198 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: is that this situation is not an uncommon one. The 199 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: research is clear that things like conspiracy theories, miss and disinformation, 200 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: and online harassment disproportionately target Black women. And I think 201 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: it's really because we live in a racist, sexist society 202 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: and some sequently, we have a digital media landscape that 203 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: will always be poised and ready to believe, amplify, and 204 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 1: weaponize dangerous lies about Black women. And this is not 205 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: just something happening online. Harassment that starts online rarely stays online. 206 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: It can have real world impacts, including violence. And what's 207 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: even more enraging is that this just keeps on happening 208 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: with very little accountability. We saw the same thing with 209 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: Shay and Ruby Freeman and Megan Markel, people projecting wild 210 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: conspiracies onto black women to support whatever acts they have 211 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 1: to grind, and those lies are in turn amplified by 212 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: social media platforms, and they stick, and even if they're 213 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 1: proven to be lies, a damage is done. We need 214 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: a public reckoning that makes clear that this is not 215 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: okay and that there will be consequences. Got a story 216 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 1: about an interesting thing in tech, or just want to 217 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: say hi? You can we just at Hello at tangodi 218 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: dot com. You can also find transcripts today's episode at 219 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: tangodi dot com. There Are No Girls on the Internet 220 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: was created by me Bridget Todd. It's a production of 221 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Unboss creative Jonathan Strickland as our 222 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: executive producer. Terry Harrison is our producer and sound engineer. 223 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: Michael Amato is our contributing producer. 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