WEBVTT - The Amazon HQ2 Decision

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff Works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with

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<v Speaker 1>How Stuff Works, and I heart radio and I love

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<v Speaker 1>all things tech. And one of the really big stories

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<v Speaker 1>in technology, really in tech business back in that being

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<v Speaker 1>this year. It just feels like it was a decade ago.

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<v Speaker 1>It focused on Amazon and its search for a second

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<v Speaker 1>North America headquarters location, which has finally been decided and

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<v Speaker 1>announced and talked about, but the search inspired cities across

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<v Speaker 1>the continent to bid for attention with incentives and some

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<v Speaker 1>with some pretty silly publicity stunts. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>numerous journalists dove into the mix, speculating on how m

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon might reshape a city, or, as it turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>cities that it would pick for the honor of being

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<v Speaker 1>the second headquarters, and also examining how Amazon has affected Seattle,

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<v Speaker 1>the location of its main headquarters, and ultimately how Amazon's

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<v Speaker 1>whole approach would affect cities not just the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>it picked, but the ones that it named as contenders.

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<v Speaker 1>So in this episode, I'm going to look at all

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<v Speaker 1>of these things and talk about how technology can affect

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<v Speaker 1>us indirectly, and why it's important we know about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get the basics down first. Let's set the

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<v Speaker 1>ground here. Jeff Bezos founded Amazon dot Com back in

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<v Speaker 1>as an online bookstore. The company managed to make it

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<v Speaker 1>through some very very lean years, and that included the

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com crisis. The company was not turning a profit

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<v Speaker 1>when it went into the dot com crisis. The way

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<v Speaker 1>that Bezos and his company were able to get through

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<v Speaker 1>this was that Bezos had some very smart people working

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<v Speaker 1>for him, and they were able to establish some critical

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<v Speaker 1>financing for the company at various points during its early history,

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<v Speaker 1>including just before the dot com bubble burst, before that

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<v Speaker 1>crisis had really hit. So Amazon got an influx of

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<v Speaker 1>cash when it would need it most, because, as it

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<v Speaker 1>turned out, the the rug was pulled out from under

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<v Speaker 1>the technology sector in general and the dot com sector

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<v Speaker 1>in particular. You could also argue Amazon had positioned itself

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<v Speaker 1>well by incorporating elements that later analysts would refer to

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<v Speaker 1>as web two point oh features and I hate that term.

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<v Speaker 1>It is useful in the sense that you can group

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<v Speaker 1>together some basic components that were helpful for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of site. Remember in the early early days of the

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<v Speaker 1>Worldwide Web, a lot of the web pages out there

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<v Speaker 1>were static. There was no interaction. It was just a

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<v Speaker 1>place you would go. You would read some stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>would never be a reason to go back to that

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<v Speaker 1>web page again because it would never change. But Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the companies to incorporate stuff that was

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<v Speaker 1>what people would call web two point oh would have

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<v Speaker 1>user generated elements like reviews, So an Amazon web page

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<v Speaker 1>would change over time as people left reviews for items,

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<v Speaker 1>and you could interact with it. You could improve the

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<v Speaker 1>performance of Amazon by giving your input, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>improve the experience of people who were using Amazon to

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<v Speaker 1>shop for stuff. And of course, the company expanded well

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<v Speaker 1>beyond books to carry all sorts of different products. Today

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<v Speaker 1>you can buy pretty much anything on Amazon. But Amazon's

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<v Speaker 1>first really profitable quarter would not arrive until the end

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand one, which is interestingly right at the

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<v Speaker 1>tail end of the dot com crash. So from when

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<v Speaker 1>it was founded to two thousand one, the company was

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<v Speaker 1>losing a lot more money than it was earning in sales,

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<v Speaker 1>and the dot com crash had done a real number

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<v Speaker 1>on Amazon's stock price, as it had for the stock

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<v Speaker 1>price of numerous dot com businesses. So my point that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to make is that I don't think Amazon's

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<v Speaker 1>survival was guaranteed by a long shot. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>can look at the success of the company today and

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<v Speaker 1>the company's founder, who spoiler alert, is the richest man

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. But I don't think that that success

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<v Speaker 1>was a guarantee back in two thousand one. If it

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't been for that financing just before the dot com

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<v Speaker 1>troubles really took off, I think the company might have

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<v Speaker 1>joined all those other web based businesses that fizzled out

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand two thousand one. Now, to be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>the company wasn't profitable on an annual basis in the

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<v Speaker 1>wake of two thousand one. It just had that one

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<v Speaker 1>quarter that was profitable, and then in two thousand two

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<v Speaker 1>it had another rough year. It had losses every single

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<v Speaker 1>quarter until the final quarter once again, which might tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that holiday sales make a huge difference for a company. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>that profit wasn't offsetting the losses of the previous quarters.

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<v Speaker 1>So two thousand two as a whole was not profitable.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't really until the middle of two thousand three,

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<v Speaker 1>and then into two thousand four that the company began

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<v Speaker 1>to regularly post profits and turn the corner. There were

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<v Speaker 1>also still a couple of very big dips, big losses.

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<v Speaker 1>One happened in two thousand twelve, and there were a

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<v Speaker 1>couple in two thousand fourteen. But if you skip over

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<v Speaker 1>that and then you look at the final quarter of

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand seventeen, it's astounding. The difference is night and day.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon ranked in an income of one point eight six

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars in the fourth quarter of two thousand seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>Not over the year, but in that one quarter. That

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<v Speaker 1>is definitely a princely some Now. According to the online

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<v Speaker 1>journal Courts, Amazon made as much money in that one

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<v Speaker 1>final quarter of two thousand seventeen as the company had

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<v Speaker 1>managed to make in the previous fourteen years combined. And

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<v Speaker 1>this was helped not just by Amazon's business, which was

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<v Speaker 1>doing legitimately really well, but also because the United States

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<v Speaker 1>government had just passed an enormous tax cut that was

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<v Speaker 1>a huge benefit to Amazon. In fact, that tax cut

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<v Speaker 1>added nearly eight hundred million dollars to Amazon's earnings all

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<v Speaker 1>by itself. So yeah, politics matter, guys. This is why

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<v Speaker 1>we see these big companies lobbying very hard in politics

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States because they can end up keeping

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<v Speaker 1>so much money it nearly doubles their revenue for a quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, So you've got Amazon, which is a company

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<v Speaker 1>everyone knows it's it's it's omni present. Nearly one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million people in the United States holding Amazon Prime membership,

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<v Speaker 1>so the company is regularly getting revenue from people, whether

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<v Speaker 1>they're shopping or not. However, the average Prime member is shopping.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the average Prime member spends about four hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>on Amazon every year. The company's name is synonymous with

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<v Speaker 1>online shopping. It's by far the most popular online store

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<v Speaker 1>by a long shot. And as I said earlier, it's

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<v Speaker 1>founder Jeff Bezos is, as of this recording, the richest

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<v Speaker 1>person in the world. He pulled ahead of Microsoft founder

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Gates a couple of years ago. Bezos is worth

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<v Speaker 1>around a hundred twelve billion dollars and that blows my mind. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>By two thousand seventeen, Amazon was really writing high as

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<v Speaker 1>a company. It employed more than three hundred eighty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>people worldwide, and about forty thousand of those employees work

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<v Speaker 1>at Amazon's original headquarters, which are in Seattle. Washington. Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>has a dominant presence in Seattle. That's putting it lightly.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll talk more about that in a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but just to give you an idea of what I

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<v Speaker 1>mean by a dominant presence, if you look at all

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<v Speaker 1>of the office space in Seattle, Amazon occupies nearly twenty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of it. So that means if you were to

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<v Speaker 1>go office to office in Seattle, one out of every

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<v Speaker 1>five visits would be to an Amazon office. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>in ouible. And meanwhile, Amazon is a company is still growing,

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<v Speaker 1>and the company needed more space to grow into, and

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<v Speaker 1>it would also make sense to distribute itself somewhat, to

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<v Speaker 1>locate some offices, perhaps in a different part of the country. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And most people guessed it was going to be on

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<v Speaker 1>the East Coast, and as they turned out, they were right.

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll get to that. So on September seven, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand seventeen, when Amazon announced it was searching for a

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<v Speaker 1>second North American headquarters, cities across North America paid attention

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<v Speaker 1>and accorded to Amazon, the intent was to pick a

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<v Speaker 1>location and invest up to five billion dollars in building

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<v Speaker 1>out a new headquarters a new campus, establishing those offices

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<v Speaker 1>and in addition to this new building, in this new campus,

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<v Speaker 1>there would be lots of jobs to the tune of

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand high tech position ends. According to Amazon, the

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<v Speaker 1>estimated average salary for those jobs would be more than

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred thousand dollars per year. The company also noted

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<v Speaker 1>that this wouldn't happen instantaneously. It's not like they would

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<v Speaker 1>build the building and then without fifty thousand job offers. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>they said this was a a long term process, that

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<v Speaker 1>the the ramp up to fifty thousand employees would probably

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<v Speaker 1>take between ten and fifteen years. But there was this

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<v Speaker 1>really tempting promise there, so it was totally understandable that

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<v Speaker 1>numerous city governments and business councils and business organizations jumped

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<v Speaker 1>at this news. It would mean wealth would flow into

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<v Speaker 1>the respective community, or at least it would flow into

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<v Speaker 1>specific industries within that community. It would boost employment, there

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<v Speaker 1>would be a new call for for new housing, for

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<v Speaker 1>renovated housing. Uh, that sort of development could encourage other

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<v Speaker 1>businesses to set up shop. We're talking stores, restaurants, entertainment options,

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<v Speaker 1>all that other type of stuff that has to go

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<v Speaker 1>around with growing communities. So, in other words, landing Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>for your city looked like it would be a huge win,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it would be knocking over an enormous domino that

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<v Speaker 1>was set off to to start a chain reaction of prosperity.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the general reaction. Now, Amazon created a formal

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<v Speaker 1>request for Proposal, or an RFP in proposal speak. Interested

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<v Speaker 1>in qualified communities were to respond to this RFP by

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<v Speaker 1>October nineteenth, two thousand seventeen, so cities had about a

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<v Speaker 1>month to put together a package to convince Amazon to

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<v Speaker 1>select their home, their city, their community for this second headquarters.

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<v Speaker 1>The RFP spelled out some of the requirements that Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>had in mind for potential h Q two sites and

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<v Speaker 1>the company stay that had a quote unquote preference for

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<v Speaker 1>the following. It wanted a place that was a metropolitan area,

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<v Speaker 1>so it had to be a place that was a city.

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<v Speaker 1>It could not just be in the middle of a state.

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<v Speaker 1>There had to be at least a million people living there.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted a business friendly environment, which is a very

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<v Speaker 1>vague phrase. I think it's a nice way of saying,

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<v Speaker 1>we want a place where they're going to be really

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<v Speaker 1>good to us. We want incentives, we want tax breaks.

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<v Speaker 1>You scratch our back will scratch yours that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted only locations that were urban or suburban locations

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<v Speaker 1>with the potential to attract and retain strong technical talent.

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<v Speaker 1>So in other words, there needed to be a place

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<v Speaker 1>where they could draw a pool of talent from, and

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<v Speaker 1>there needed to be places for those people to live.

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<v Speaker 1>Preferably they would be moving into a city where they're

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<v Speaker 1>already as a nice, healthy pool of tech talent, but

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<v Speaker 1>if not, it needed to be a city that people

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<v Speaker 1>were willing to relocate too. And it was also looking

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<v Speaker 1>for quote communities that think big and creatively when considering

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<v Speaker 1>locations and real estate options end quote, which might be

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<v Speaker 1>code for we want to see some really nice places

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<v Speaker 1>where we might be able to set up shop, and

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<v Speaker 1>we don't want to to just point us at that

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<v Speaker 1>disused car lot that used to be really popular but

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<v Speaker 1>has been unoccupied for ten years. That kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition, Amazon said that HQ two could be but

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<v Speaker 1>was not required to be an urban or downtown campus,

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<v Speaker 1>So it could be located deep in a city or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not. It could be similar to layout to Amazon's

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<v Speaker 1>existing Seattle headquarters, but maybe not. It could be a

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<v Speaker 1>development prepped site the company said, quote, we want to

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<v Speaker 1>encourage states, slash provinces and communities to think creatively for

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<v Speaker 1>viable real estate options while not negatively affecting our preferred

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<v Speaker 1>timeline end quote. So again, this puts the onus on

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<v Speaker 1>the responding community rather than Amazon the messages. We have

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<v Speaker 1>the upper hand here, so don't waste our time by

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<v Speaker 1>showing us substandard real estate than no one really wants.

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<v Speaker 1>More specifically, the RFP said that the preference was to

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<v Speaker 1>have a site that was no more than thirty miles

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<v Speaker 1>outside the center of population for the community. It needed

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<v Speaker 1>to be within forty five minutes of an international airport.

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<v Speaker 1>It needed to be no more than two miles away

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<v Speaker 1>from the closest major highway. There needed to be an

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<v Speaker 1>access to mass transit at the site itself, so there

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<v Speaker 1>needed to be public transportation that could go straight up

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<v Speaker 1>to wherever the location was. The building requirements included an

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<v Speaker 1>initial square foot requirement of five hundred thousand plus square

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<v Speaker 1>feet for Phase one and up to eight million square

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<v Speaker 1>feet for twenty twenty seven and beyond. I have more

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<v Speaker 1>to say about this whole process in just a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>but first let's take a quick break to thank our sponsor.

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<v Speaker 1>The RFP listed more information for those interested in bringing

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon to a specific city. But you can easily read

0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.800
<v Speaker 1>the RFP for yourself if you want to. It's available online.

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<v Speaker 1>It's only eight pages long, and it's not written in

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<v Speaker 1>weird jargon or anything. It's very simple to understand. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to know the full details, just pop

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<v Speaker 1>online and search for the Amazon RFP. So in early September,

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon sends out this RFP and gives the deadline for

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<v Speaker 1>October nineteenth, seventeen for response, and by that time Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>had received two hundred thirty eight proposals from cities in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States and Canada. Even at this early stage,

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<v Speaker 1>before Amazon had reached that deadline, reporters were gleefully writing

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<v Speaker 1>about some of the more let's call them creative methods

0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.400
<v Speaker 1>that communities were employing in order to get attention. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>keep in mind, any city that responded likely had some

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<v Speaker 1>hefty incentives wrapped up in those responses and lofty promises

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<v Speaker 1>to boot. So all these cities were trying to outdo themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>And now get more into that a little bit later.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I know there was one city in Georgia that's

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<v Speaker 1>technically part of the metropolitan Atlanta area, but no person

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<v Speaker 1>who lives in the city of Atlanta would refer to

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<v Speaker 1>it as being in Atlanta. I'm talking about stone Crest, Georgia.

0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.760
<v Speaker 1>It's technically twenty miles to the east of the city

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<v Speaker 1>of Atlanta. Now, if you were to travel down Highway

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<v Speaker 1>by twenty from Atlanta to stone Crest, you'd see development

0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:03.000
<v Speaker 1>along the entire fire way. It's not like it's a

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<v Speaker 1>isolated community, but it is not inside the city limits

0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.840
<v Speaker 1>by any stretch of the imagination. Stone Crest, however, was

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<v Speaker 1>in contention for this consideration, and that made my eyebrows

0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:19.200
<v Speaker 1>go up as a resident of Atlanta, because I already

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<v Speaker 1>knew what the requirements were that Amazon was asking for,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really didn't feel that Stone Crest necessarily met them.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is just too specifically illustrate what was going

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<v Speaker 1>on across North America. Not just to call out Stone

0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Crest in particular, but one of the things Amazon was

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<v Speaker 1>looking for was mass transit. That's a subject about which

0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:44.640
<v Speaker 1>I feel very strongly. Here in Atlanta, there are busses

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<v Speaker 1>that go from Atlanta to stone Crest on our metropolitan

0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.960
<v Speaker 1>transit system. It's called MARTA. It takes about an hour

0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:58.960
<v Speaker 1>to go from the closest Marta station to Stone Crest

0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:03.159
<v Speaker 1>by bus, and that's a Martestation that's on the outskirts

0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.119
<v Speaker 1>of Atlanta itself. If you're talking about moving from the

0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.840
<v Speaker 1>center of the city, or Heaven help you from the airport,

0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:13.160
<v Speaker 1>it will take you much, much, much longer than that. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>my point is, I think a lot of cities that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really meet these criteria. We're throwing themselves hard into

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<v Speaker 1>this arena and making a lot of promises like, oh no,

0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:29.000
<v Speaker 1>we'll make sure that this is bolstered and it will

0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.040
<v Speaker 1>meet your expectations. And they were offering up all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of things like huge tax cuts and other odd incentives

0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:39.679
<v Speaker 1>in order to get Amazon's attention. So sticking with stone

0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Crest for just a moment. One of those wacky incentives,

0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:47.000
<v Speaker 1>one of the ones that was treated with more levity,

0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.640
<v Speaker 1>was that the mayor of Stone Crest, Jason Larry, said

0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:54.479
<v Speaker 1>he would lead a movement to d annex part of

0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Stone Crest in order to rename that that section of

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<v Speaker 1>the city Amazon Georgia up. And on top of that,

0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:06.159
<v Speaker 1>he proposed having a special shipping distribution highway and calling

0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:10.399
<v Speaker 1>it one thousand Jeff Bezos Parkway. So I suppose an

0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:15.600
<v Speaker 1>appeal to vanity was his strategy. But Stonecrest, Georgia was

0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:20.200
<v Speaker 1>just one applicant. There were lots of others that included

0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:24.240
<v Speaker 1>some publicity stunts with their applications. So another one that

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of people giggling was from Tucson, Arizona,

0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:33.200
<v Speaker 1>which shipped a twenty one foot saguaro cactus to Amazon.

0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Bezos didn't accept it. He donated it to the Arizona

0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Sonora Desert Museum and said his company could not accept gifts.

0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:46.600
<v Speaker 1>In Birmingham, Alabama, the city built three installations that looked

0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:51.639
<v Speaker 1>like enormous delivery boxes with the Amazon logo on the box.

0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:54.400
<v Speaker 1>These were in various locations around the city. They were

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<v Speaker 1>each about a story tall, so like ten twelve feet

0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:01.440
<v Speaker 1>tall they were. They were huge. The years from Danbury,

0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Connecticut and Washington, d c. Each separately made videos as

0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.800
<v Speaker 1>part of their pitch to Amazon, and incorporated sort of

0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:14.640
<v Speaker 1>a joke in which they asked Amazon's voice activated assistant Alexa,

0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:18.880
<v Speaker 1>where the best place would be to locate Amazon's second headquarters,

0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:23.639
<v Speaker 1>And of course, in those videos, Alexa's response was Danbury

0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:29.240
<v Speaker 1>for the Connecticut video and Washington, d C. For DC's video. Also,

0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:31.919
<v Speaker 1>the DC mayor pointed out that Bezos already had a

0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.960
<v Speaker 1>home in the DC area and that he owned the

0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Washington Post, suggesting that it made sense to bring the

0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.560
<v Speaker 1>whole HQ two there after all Bezos already had a

0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:47.320
<v Speaker 1>presence or In Chicago, Mayor Ram Emmanuel organized a council

0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:50.760
<v Speaker 1>of business leaders representing some of the largest companies in

0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:55.159
<v Speaker 1>the United States. In New Jersey, the proposal promised seven

0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:57.840
<v Speaker 1>billion dollars worth of tax breaks over the course of

0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:00.680
<v Speaker 1>a twenty year period. That this was to pennant upon

0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:04.840
<v Speaker 1>a proposed law passing in the state legislature first. Other

0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:09.600
<v Speaker 1>cities like Philadelphia, San Francisco, which was also partnering with

0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Fremont and Oakland, Toronto, and Vancouver all applied as well.

0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Not all the cities included outlandish overtures, but they were

0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:23.640
<v Speaker 1>all trying to get noticed. On January two, thousand eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon announced it had narrowed its selection to twenty cities.

0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:44.040
<v Speaker 1>So those twenty cities were in alphabetical order, Atlanta, Georgia, Austin, Texas, Boston, Massachusetts, Chicago, Illinois, Columbus, Ohio, Dallas, Texas, Denver, Colorado, Indianapolis, Indiana,

0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles, California, Miami, Florida, Montgomery County, Maryland, Nashville, Tennessee, Newark,

0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:56.679
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey, New York City, New York, Northern Virginia. So

0:21:56.800 --> 0:22:03.879
<v Speaker 1>not a specific city, but like the Arlington area, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Raleigh,

0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:09.199
<v Speaker 1>North Carolina, Toronto, Canada, and Washington, d C. Over the

0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:13.600
<v Speaker 1>next several months, Amazon officials visited with these various cities,

0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:18.119
<v Speaker 1>explored the proposed campus sites. They evaluated the various features

0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:22.720
<v Speaker 1>like you know, mass transit, highways, airports. They probably talked

0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:25.879
<v Speaker 1>a lot about proposed tax incentives that would make the

0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:29.320
<v Speaker 1>deal a little sweeter. I mean, the message was essentially,

0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:31.760
<v Speaker 1>if we pick your city, we're going to contribute an

0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:35.200
<v Speaker 1>enormous amount to your local economy. So make this easy

0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:40.280
<v Speaker 1>for us and help us decide by sweetening the pot. Now,

0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Amazon had said it would pick the new site sometime

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<v Speaker 1>in ten but did not give a more specific timeline

0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:51.280
<v Speaker 1>than that. So through much of the cities on that

0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:54.640
<v Speaker 1>short list were kept waiting and wondering where things stood.

0:22:55.359 --> 0:23:00.119
<v Speaker 1>That's how things went throughout most of I remember in

0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:02.720
<v Speaker 1>the summer, there was talk about it getting narrowed down

0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:06.879
<v Speaker 1>to just a few of those finalists. I think Atlanta

0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:09.720
<v Speaker 1>and Austin seemed to be holding on for a long time,

0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:15.239
<v Speaker 1>and then in September. On September, Jeff Bezos spoke at

0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:18.399
<v Speaker 1>the Economic Club at Washington, d C. He said the

0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.359
<v Speaker 1>company would announce a decision by the end of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>A month later, in early November, Amazon announced that rather

0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:30.720
<v Speaker 1>than pick a single location, they were going to pick two.

0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:36.000
<v Speaker 1>H Q two would get split up between two locations. Now, initially,

0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Amazon did not reveal where those two places would be,

0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:46.879
<v Speaker 1>but on November that all changed. Amazon announced that New

0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:50.199
<v Speaker 1>York City, specifically Long Island City, which is in a

0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:54.199
<v Speaker 1>neighborhood in Queens and not confusingly in the area that

0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:57.399
<v Speaker 1>most New Yorkers referred to as Long Island. It is

0:23:57.560 --> 0:24:02.879
<v Speaker 1>on Long Island, but paradoxly not in Long Island, and

0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Arlington County, Virginia, near Crystal City, would be the home

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:13.080
<v Speaker 1>of these two new headquarters offices. And here's a funny

0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:17.199
<v Speaker 1>coincidence that happens to be two of the locations for

0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Amazon's largest East Coast US offices that already exist. Also

0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:27.639
<v Speaker 1>equally coincidental. I'm sure Jeff Bezos happens to own two

0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:33.840
<v Speaker 1>really large, really lavish homes, one in uh in Virginia

0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:40.080
<v Speaker 1>near Crystal City, one near Long Island City in Queens,

0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 1>New York. Probably just a coincidence. Now, some people living

0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:47.480
<v Speaker 1>in the cities that were passed over felt a sense

0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:50.439
<v Speaker 1>of relief at this news. They were worried about the

0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:54.880
<v Speaker 1>impact Amazon might have on their communities. Others felt disappointment,

0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:58.919
<v Speaker 1>particularly if they were penning a lot of hope that

0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:03.239
<v Speaker 1>Amazon's agreement would mean the community would build out a

0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:06.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of improvements to infrastructure, and that the overall community

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:11.160
<v Speaker 1>would be able to enjoy those improvements. In other words,

0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:14.880
<v Speaker 1>things like, yeah, we built out our mass transit system,

0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:17.640
<v Speaker 1>which is part of the deal we made with Amazon.

0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:21.760
<v Speaker 1>But on the flip side, everyone can benefit from that.

0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:24.800
<v Speaker 1>That would have been awesome. So some people were disappointed

0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:28.240
<v Speaker 1>if their city wasn't picked. There have been several articles,

0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:31.720
<v Speaker 1>mostly ones that are written from a local perspective, that

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:35.359
<v Speaker 1>revealed some of the details about the various proposals that

0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:40.280
<v Speaker 1>failed to bring Amazon to respective cities. Pittsburgh had reportedly

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:45.159
<v Speaker 1>included up to ten billion dollars in financial incentives In

0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:48.479
<v Speaker 1>their pitch. Maryland was right behind with eight and a

0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:52.680
<v Speaker 1>half billion dollars, and Newark, New Jersey was, as I said,

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 1>at seven billion. Dallas, Texas proposed building a new higher

0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 1>learning facility called Amazon University. Atlanta, apart from having this

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:07.159
<v Speaker 1>part of Stone Crest renamed Amazon Georgia, had even suggested

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:12.120
<v Speaker 1>perhaps Amazon would get an exclusive rail car on Marta trains,

0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:15.919
<v Speaker 1>which would have infuriated me had it come to pass.

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:19.359
<v Speaker 1>I would have hated waiting for a train and realizing

0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:22.639
<v Speaker 1>that the only car that wasn't completely full of people

0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 1>was exclusively for Amazon employees. Then uh, Atlanta also had suggested,

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:32.480
<v Speaker 1>by the way, that there could possibly be an exclusive

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:36.640
<v Speaker 1>executive lounge at the Atlanta Airport reserved just for Amazon

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:41.359
<v Speaker 1>executives and their guests. Again, this starts to get very elitist,

0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:47.240
<v Speaker 1>and it tends to get my my rather liberal dander up. Now,

0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:50.200
<v Speaker 1>how much did New York and Virginia offer? After all,

0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 1>they won the bids, right the Amazon ultimately chose New

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:58.200
<v Speaker 1>York in Virginia and there are these other cities that

0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:02.760
<v Speaker 1>were offering incentives of billions of dollars. What did the

0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 1>two winning sites offer well? For New York. New York

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:11.400
<v Speaker 1>offered two point eight billion dollars in incentives, a princely

0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:15.480
<v Speaker 1>some in itself, obviously, but still much less than some

0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 1>of the other cities. Virginia's promises were way more modest,

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:23.359
<v Speaker 1>at five hundred seventy three million dollars. Now, this has

0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:29.920
<v Speaker 1>led some people to speculate that perhaps Amazon always knew

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:33.240
<v Speaker 1>where it wanted to go, that it had those destinations

0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:37.719
<v Speaker 1>in mind the entire time, it never intended to really

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:42.240
<v Speaker 1>seriously consider any other location, and that the only reason

0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:46.119
<v Speaker 1>the company released an RFP in the first place was

0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 1>because it would hit these locations against each other and

0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:53.959
<v Speaker 1>they would be in competition with all these other cities

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:59.360
<v Speaker 1>that appeared to be legit candidates, and by that Amazon

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 1>could put pressure on New York and Virginia, where they

0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 1>were already planning on going, and convinced them to cut

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:10.200
<v Speaker 1>better and better deals. Yikes. Well, I've got a lot

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 1>more to say about this decision and what it means,

0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:16.680
<v Speaker 1>but before we get into that, let's take another quick

0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:28.680
<v Speaker 1>break to thank our sponsor. The news of Amazon's decision

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 1>brought with it some other reports that raised a few eyebrows.

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 1>There was one that is still kind of playing out

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>as I record this. Condos sales in Long Island, New

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 1>York increased dramatically after the news broke that Amazon was

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 1>going to locate one of its headquarters facilities in New

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:51.480
<v Speaker 1>York City, and some Amazon employees had apparently been shopping

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 1>around before the announcement had even become public. In other words,

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:58.479
<v Speaker 1>people who were in the know that this was going

0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:02.960
<v Speaker 1>to be the new location started trying to purchase some

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 1>real estate before the announcement because perhaps they knew the

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:11.280
<v Speaker 1>increase in demand was going to drive up costs, so

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 1>if they could get in before the announcement and buy

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 1>some condos, then they would be sitting pretty before all

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 1>the prices jumped up. However, many percent this behavior, in

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 1>turn began to fan the flames of fear among some

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 1>New Yorkers that Amazon's arrival is going to bring with

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:33.640
<v Speaker 1>it rent hikes and landlords are going to start increasing

0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 1>those rent prices. People who had been living in those

0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 1>places for years would no longer be able to afford

0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:43.720
<v Speaker 1>to do so. There are similar fears in the Virginia

0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>area that's very close to Washington, d C. In fact,

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 1>you can easily get there on the Metro in d C.

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Many government staff who work at the Capital or the

0:29:56.080 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Pentagon they call northern Virginia home, and that's a concern

0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:03.920
<v Speaker 1>that they too, are going to get priced out of

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 1>the neighborhoods they currently live in, and that they'll have

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 1>to move further and further out, which will increase commute

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 1>times and have a negative impact on quality of life.

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 1>That is not an unreasonable fear, because you just have

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:19.160
<v Speaker 1>to look at how things are going in Seattle. Now.

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:24.720
<v Speaker 1>The situation in Seattle is different because Amazon grew up

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:29.400
<v Speaker 1>in Seattle. It was not a multibillion dollar global corporation

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:33.400
<v Speaker 1>that then waltzed into Seattle and established itself. It grew

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 1>slowly gradually, at least until seventeen when growth exploded. So

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 1>the conditions in Seattle are not necessarily what will happen

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:45.520
<v Speaker 1>in New York and Virginia. In fact, I suspect we're

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 1>actually gonna see dramatic differences, since now we're talking about

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 1>a behemoth moving into an established neighborhood as opposed to

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 1>growing up with it. Now. Amazon's growth triggered a series

0:30:56.600 --> 0:31:00.880
<v Speaker 1>of changes in Seattle. For example, as Amazon bigger, I

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 1>need to hire more talent including talent with high tech skills.

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 1>That encouraged people with those skills to move to the

0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 1>Seattle area. People said, well, there's work to be had there.

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:15.520
<v Speaker 1>I can get a really good job with Amazon. Let's relocate.

0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Tech firms began to build offices or even relocate to

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Seattle because that's where all the talent was going. If

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 1>the talents all starting to gather in a place, then

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 1>companies are saying, well, in order for us to take

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 1>advantage of this, rather than have to lure them to

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 1>move across country, let's set up a shop. Let's set

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 1>up a presence in Seattle. So they were moving into

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Seattle as well. In order to take advantage of this

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 1>growing talent pool, which feeds upon itself, more talent starts

0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:48.400
<v Speaker 1>to move to Seattle. Amazon was creating opportunities. Those opportunities

0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:52.719
<v Speaker 1>were attracting workers. Those workers were attracting other companies, and

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 1>that created more opportunities for workers. This process actually has

0:31:56.800 --> 0:32:02.960
<v Speaker 1>a name in the industry, it's agglomeration. Since twenty companies

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 1>in the Fortune five hundred have opened up offices or

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:09.400
<v Speaker 1>R and D facilities in Seattle to take advantage of

0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 1>that talent pool that's there. That includes companies like Google, Facebook,

0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 1>and Apple. This is a pretty big positive benefit for

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 1>people in that city on some level. On top of

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the forty thousand employees who work at Amazon's HQ one,

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Seattle has seen the creation of more than fifty thousand

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:32.920
<v Speaker 1>high tech jobs at these other companies. That's a pretty

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 1>darn good development. With those jobs comes seventeen billion dollars

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 1>in compensation that includes salaries, incentives, and benefits. It also

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>includes an increase in tax revenue. There are a lot

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:49.320
<v Speaker 1>of things that you can say are positives because of this,

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 1>and it's important to remember that Amazon's not wholly or

0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:58.440
<v Speaker 1>solely responsible for this. Microsoft, which is in Redmond, Washington,

0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>it's not that far from Seattle, is also a really

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 1>big reason why there's so much tech talent in Washington State.

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:10.160
<v Speaker 1>So Microsoft's presence is another anchor point for all of

0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 1>that talent, and in fact, Microsoft had been a source

0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 1>of agglomeration a decade before, more than a decade before

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:23.240
<v Speaker 1>Amazon was. Seattle has also seen housing prices increased dramatically

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 1>as Amazon has grown. Gentrification and rent hikes have pushed

0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people out of the city into suburbs,

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 1>moving them further and further away from their jobs and

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 1>the areas they're familiar with. It increases the commute times,

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 1>it increases the amount of traffic that's in Seattle, and

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 1>it decreases the quality of life for people who don't

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:46.920
<v Speaker 1>happen to hold a sweet gig at Amazon that allows

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 1>them to afford to still live in the city. This,

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 1>in turn has contributed to that massive traffic problem. So

0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 1>since Amazon's exponential growth, Seattle has gone from being a

0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 1>city that has typical traffic shoes but not you know,

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:05.240
<v Speaker 1>extraordinary ones, to landing in the top ten cities with

0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:09.239
<v Speaker 1>the worst traffic in the United States. According to one

0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 1>source I read, it ranked as high as number three

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:14.959
<v Speaker 1>at one point, although most of the ones I see

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:17.879
<v Speaker 1>have it in the lower group of the top ten.

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 1>On the other hand, Seattle has also seen a huge

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:25.920
<v Speaker 1>boom in new businesses, particularly restaurants. People have to eat somewhere,

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:28.919
<v Speaker 1>So it's not like everything is awful. I don't want

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 1>to suggest that it is very complicated. It is dependent

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:37.879
<v Speaker 1>upon what you do in Seattle. Seattle has also seen

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:41.719
<v Speaker 1>incredible booms in construction. The last time I was in

0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:44.400
<v Speaker 1>the city, you could not turn around without seeing a

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:47.719
<v Speaker 1>sky crane anywhere. In fact, according to wonder report I read,

0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 1>there were more sky cranes in Seattle than there were

0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 1>in San Francisco and New York combined. So there are

0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:57.760
<v Speaker 1>good and bad things that go along with enormous companies

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:01.719
<v Speaker 1>making an impact on communities. And your question then, is

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:05.480
<v Speaker 1>what elements here matter the most for me? Is it

0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:09.879
<v Speaker 1>ultimately good or bad for my own personal experience? And

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 1>that ends up being a kind of a personal unique thing.

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:16.840
<v Speaker 1>I can't answer that for everyone. As for the cities

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:19.720
<v Speaker 1>that were left behind, the ones that were not chosen

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:24.839
<v Speaker 1>by Amazon, perhaps were never seriously in contention, there still

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 1>may be a lasting effect of this whole competition, and

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 1>some of those effects may not be totally beneficial. On

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 1>the one hand, some of those cities have raised profiles,

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 1>and some of them poured money into making improvements in infrastructure.

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:41.759
<v Speaker 1>That's a good thing, even if it didn't pay off

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:44.840
<v Speaker 1>with Amazon picking that city in the short term, because

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:47.920
<v Speaker 1>if you live in a city where the streets are

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:52.320
<v Speaker 1>filled with potholes, you're probably happy if those potholes get filled,

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.240
<v Speaker 1>and you might be less interested in the reasoning behind

0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 1>why it was finally done, unless, of course, you're just

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 1>worried that the inverse structure is going to crumble again,

0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:05.200
<v Speaker 1>and now that Amazon is not expressing interest, no one's

0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:08.400
<v Speaker 1>ever gonna bother to fix the darned things. But in

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:12.520
<v Speaker 1>the short term, at least, infrastructure improvements are probably something

0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people are enjoying. According to Forbes,

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 1>one of the other effects is that many of the

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 1>HQ two rejects might see an increase in real estate prices.

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:27.360
<v Speaker 1>The leader of the pack is my hometown of Atlanta.

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta is expected to have a jump of more than

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:37.240
<v Speaker 1>thirteen percent in real estate prices in twenty nineteen, which

0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:39.880
<v Speaker 1>could be great news if you happen to own a home,

0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 1>then you're looking to sell it for a tidy profit

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:45.239
<v Speaker 1>and maybe move somewhere further out of the city where

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 1>you're still not having to pay the the higher prices.

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 1>But for a lot of people it could mean increased hardship.

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:55.239
<v Speaker 1>They could get priced out of the areas in which

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 1>they live. That would push them further out from where

0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 1>they work and where they're familiar. It's it's gentrification on

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:05.239
<v Speaker 1>a citywide scale, something that has been a problem in

0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:09.400
<v Speaker 1>other places like San Francisco. San Francisco is notorious at

0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:14.279
<v Speaker 1>this point for having incredibly expensive housing, to the point

0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:18.320
<v Speaker 1>where average shmows, normal folks, people who are not high

0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 1>paid tech workers or executives, can't afford to live there anymore.

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 1>The tech industry has been a really big part of

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.839
<v Speaker 1>this in many cities, and it's not unique to tech.

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 1>It's not like there's something about tech that makes it

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:37.880
<v Speaker 1>inherently do this to communities. It's that we value tech.

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 1>We place a high value on the products that the

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:45.440
<v Speaker 1>tech industry creates and the services, and that means the

0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 1>people who make the stuff are highly valued and they

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 1>get paid a lot. So it becomes this kind of

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:57.800
<v Speaker 1>self feeding cycle, that agglomeration sort of process. But there's

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:01.399
<v Speaker 1>so many companies that need those skill are people who

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:05.120
<v Speaker 1>work in those industries will frequently hop between companies. So,

0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:07.840
<v Speaker 1>in other words, just because you might work for Amazon

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean you plan to work there forever. You might say, well,

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll work here until some other companies, some other tech

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:16.320
<v Speaker 1>company in the area gives me a better offer, and

0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:19.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go work for them, and then I'll work

0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:20.799
<v Speaker 1>for them for a while until I get a better offer.

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:24.160
<v Speaker 1>That is happening quite a bit in the tech industry

0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 1>doesn't happen in all industries, but in tech it does.

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:32.120
<v Speaker 1>So we tend to see concentrations of companies in these

0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 1>specific regions, and we're going to continue to see that happening.

0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 1>It's also another reason why Amazon picked New York and Virginia.

0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Those are two regions that already have pretty healthy tech

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:47.279
<v Speaker 1>communities built up around them, and that's just going to

0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:51.200
<v Speaker 1>increase with Amazon's presence there. It's gonna pull tech away

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 1>from some communities towards d C in New York. Other

0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:57.960
<v Speaker 1>cities that were on the HQ two shortlist but weren't

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:01.799
<v Speaker 1>selected are also expected to see increases in real estate

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:04.840
<v Speaker 1>prices in twenty nineteen. It has led to what Forbes

0:39:04.880 --> 0:39:09.360
<v Speaker 1>calls the Amazon Effect. Now, in the end, what do

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 1>I think about this? Largely, I think that Amazon was

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 1>mostly playing everybody. I really do think that Amazon had

0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:20.920
<v Speaker 1>their goal, their their ideal destinations picked out well ahead

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 1>of time. It would not shock me at all to

0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 1>learn that they weren't seriously considering any of the other

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 1>locations as a possible site for h Q two. Um

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>I think they had always planned on splitting it into two.

0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:37.960
<v Speaker 1>I think they had always planned on New York in Virginia.

0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:40.840
<v Speaker 1>I think the fact that Jeff Bezos has homes in

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 1>both of those places is not a coincidence. I'm not

0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:46.239
<v Speaker 1>suggesting that Bezos wanted them there just so that they

0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 1>were convenient to his homes, but rather he chose homes

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:52.719
<v Speaker 1>in those locations for specific reasons. I think Virginia makes

0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:55.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of sense because it's also very close to

0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 1>the political capital of the United States. It's a place

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:03.560
<v Speaker 1>where am Amazon can end up having even more direct

0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 1>influence on politicians in order to create policies that are

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 1>beneficial for the success of the company. Ultimately, Amazon is

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:19.120
<v Speaker 1>a publicly traded company, which means ultimately its purpose isn't

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:22.880
<v Speaker 1>to sell stuff to people. That's not its reason for existing.

0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Its purpose as a publicly traded company is to increase

0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 1>its stock prices and reward shareholders for their investments, which

0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:34.640
<v Speaker 1>means try and figure out how to make as much

0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:36.920
<v Speaker 1>money as you can and hold on to as much

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.799
<v Speaker 1>of that as you can, and that way you can

0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:44.320
<v Speaker 1>pay out your investors and they're happy. So it's a

0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 1>very cynical way of looking at things, but it's also

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 1>realistic anyway. I realized that this doesn't deal directly in

0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:54.839
<v Speaker 1>technology the way the show typically does, but I think

0:40:54.880 --> 0:40:58.399
<v Speaker 1>it's a very important case study to look at an

0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 1>important event and to see exactly how things were manipulated, uh,

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:10.960
<v Speaker 1>the reactions to it, the impact of those actions, and

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:14.680
<v Speaker 1>the political implications. All of that's important because it plays

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:19.959
<v Speaker 1>into how tech and society merge together, and that's really

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:23.080
<v Speaker 1>the heart of what I try to do on this show. Now,

0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 1>ultimately Amazon's choices may be incredibly beneficial for Virginia and

0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:31.160
<v Speaker 1>New York. It may be that once you weigh everything,

0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 1>measure for measure, as Shakespeare would say, or the Bible

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:38.560
<v Speaker 1>that's where that's phrases originally from, if you measure it

0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:41.440
<v Speaker 1>all out, you may say, well, ultimately, the good that

0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:45.520
<v Speaker 1>has been done far outweighs any negative impact. That is

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:49.799
<v Speaker 1>certainly a possibility. I'm not trying to suggest that that

0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 1>everybody has been hurt by this decision, but again, as

0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:59.520
<v Speaker 1>with all things, I recommend using critical thinking to examine it,

0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:04.040
<v Speaker 1>so you don't just read a headline and think, oh okay,

0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 1>think about things, think about what the implications are, what

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:11.640
<v Speaker 1>the impact happens to be. Uh. It will allow you

0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:14.440
<v Speaker 1>to make better decisions. In your day to day life,

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:17.520
<v Speaker 1>probably not decisions as monumental as whether or not to

0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 1>locate a multibillion dollar companies headquarters, and you know, Virginia

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 1>versus Atlanta, versus Raleigh, North Carolina versus Austin, Texas. But

0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:30.480
<v Speaker 1>it's certainly an important skill to develop. That's it for

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