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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Unplugged. This episode is presented to you

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Speaker 1: by Draft Kings. Crown is yours. Before we get started,

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Speaker 1: shout out the homie Lazy Bone. I opened up your package. Brother.

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Speaker 1: This dude got like three nice T shirts. He gave

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Speaker 1: me a clock like the red clock from the First

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Speaker 1: of the month, videos and rolling trays. What else? I

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Speaker 1: love when guests bring us gifts anyway, appreciate you, bro.

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Speaker 1: Last week, we had an opportunity to sit down with

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Speaker 1: the Undisputed WWE Champion, Cody Rhoades. First and foremost, it

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Speaker 1: was my first time meeting I'm obviously knowing the lineage

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Speaker 1: of his family and how great his dad was and

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Speaker 1: having a brother in the space. My first impression he

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Speaker 1: was clean, probably the most well dressed guest I've ever had,

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Speaker 1: but just the energy, the charisma seemed like a really

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Speaker 1: great dude. I think you guys are gonna really enjoy

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Speaker 1: this interview. Take a look. Welcome back to Unplugged. Today

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Speaker 1: we got a very special guest, WWE superstar Undisputed Champion

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Speaker 1: the QB one him Sol Cody Rhodes. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: It's an honor. Hey, I have to say, man, I've

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Speaker 1: been doing this show, this show and my other show

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Speaker 1: for six You're definitely the cleanest one who has ever

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Speaker 1: stepped in this building. Man, from head to time. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm over here like I was wearing slippers before you

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Speaker 1: came in. You made me put my shoes on. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you have something in your lap right here? What is

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Speaker 1: this belt? Obviously coming from a long line of great

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Speaker 1: wrestlers in your family, to be at the top of

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Speaker 1: the mount right now as the champion with the belt present,

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Speaker 1: what does that mean to you to hold this belt?

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Speaker 2: I am This is the WW Championship, the undisputed WW Championship.

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Speaker 2: For me, this was this massive culmination of not just

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Speaker 2: the story I had in the wrestling business, but my

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Speaker 2: dad as well. And it spans not just decades, but

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Speaker 2: it spans kind of my knowledge of the industry. When

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Speaker 2: he goes to wrestle Superstar Billy Graham in nineteen seventy

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Speaker 2: eight in Madison Square Garden, he's just a guest from Florida,

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Speaker 2: and the crowd takes to him and they love him

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Speaker 2: so much that he wins the match, But he wins

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Speaker 2: it in a way that Superstar still left with the belt,

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Speaker 2: which was the common practice of keeping the territory the

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Speaker 2: way it was. I had seen this photo of him,

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Speaker 2: and I had seen him holding the title, not ever

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Speaker 2: knowing he had won the championship because I wasn't born

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Speaker 2: to l eighty five, And he explains to me the

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Speaker 2: story this is still when I think wrestling is one

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Speaker 2: that it became the goal. Oh eight years old, I

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Speaker 2: and I thought, I have to win.

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Speaker 1: It for him.

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Speaker 2: And now you know, I'm forty years old and I

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Speaker 2: look at the business quite differently. But I did not

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Speaker 2: get my opportunity at the w Championship till I came back.

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Speaker 2: For me, what it represents is the biggest title we

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Speaker 2: various trophies, your you know, your Lombardi Trophy, your Stanley Cup,

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Speaker 2: whatever it may be, and this is this is the

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Speaker 2: one that you know can always go on last and

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Speaker 2: can all He's lead the company. It means something different

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Speaker 2: for different people. When John Cena had it, it meant

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Speaker 2: Roman Reigns had it, there was this element of presentation

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Speaker 2: and aura. As all the young'uns say today, it always

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Speaker 2: that stage of my career where we're identifying what it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, still write in that chapter. Yeah, you also have

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Speaker 1: a brother that was in the space. Well, so what

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Speaker 1: being a wrestling star other sports wrestling at time. Remember

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Speaker 1: my parents used to screen stop flipping your sister and

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Speaker 1: throwing your brother, like, what was what was your household?

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Speaker 2: Like my oldest brother, Dustin, who was ww's gold dust

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Speaker 2: you gotta, you know, you gotta get far. I got

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Speaker 2: And the thing I told him was, you gotta go

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Speaker 2: Trained with somebody who doesn't know about Austin Hall wrestling

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Speaker 2: boots or the cowboy wrestlers of old. Get with you know,

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Speaker 2: You'd always make a big spectacle, which was part of

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Speaker 2: But I didn't realize it was so different until I

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Speaker 2: it just was a very normal childhood until you went

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Speaker 1: What was the pressure. Like I have two sixteen year

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Speaker 1: your profession. What was it like with that Road's last name,

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Speaker 2: My sister Teel, she always looked at it in a

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Speaker 2: I think my dad wanted to. Mister Hamond Paul hamon

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Speaker 2: to me, that's asinine and I don't believe so. But

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Speaker 2: as he was saying it, inside, I was like yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Rest in peace to your father. But he is

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Speaker 1: Yea better than him. He would love to know that

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Speaker 1: his son looking down and raised a good son. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the that's the beauty in this. And

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Speaker 2: I think when you're at a level of success that

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Speaker 2: but that almost Hey, your door is a little more

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Speaker 2: Charlotte Flair, who's Rick Flair's daughter, That's another one. Look

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Speaker 2: at the cards you were handed. Ava, who's at NXT,

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Speaker 2: Cards you were handed. That's if anything that's just a

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Speaker 2: wonderful challenge. That's a wonderful challenge and if you get there, amazing,

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Speaker 2: God bless you.

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Speaker 1: The WWE and the business of it right now is

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Speaker 1: on fire. Recently signed a deal with ESPN for all

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Speaker 1: your premium live events, your YouTube pages numbers eleven in

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Speaker 1: the world. Signed a deal, a multi year deal with

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Speaker 1: one of the best partners in the game, one of

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Speaker 1: our partners, Netflix. The business of WWE, and you've seen

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Speaker 1: it since a child, and the growth in the peaks

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Speaker 1: What makes the WWE what it is and why is

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Speaker 1: it so hot right now?

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Speaker 2: Gosh, I wish we could kind of trap the lightning

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Speaker 2: in a bottle as to what's been created with ww

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Speaker 2: Row and I was having to kind of kick myself.

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Speaker 1: In La in La. That shit was amazing. I went

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Speaker 1: Holy cow, and I sat next to Stephanie McMahon. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: holy shit, Like I was fanboying out because I was

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Speaker 1: a huge not to cut your off, keep your train

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Speaker 1: of thought growing up and I was born in nineteen eighty,

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Speaker 1: so wrestling was my life. Your Dad, the Islanders, Hulk, Holgan,

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Speaker 1: Jyd all these people like you couldn't tell me. I

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Speaker 1: was fair, of course, you know what I mean. So

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Speaker 1: just to kind of see where it's been. And then

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Speaker 1: again you got to see it from all levels, from

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Speaker 1: of the mountain as the undispeeded champion. But the business

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Speaker 1: side has never been as hot and never been as big.

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Speaker 2: Into a dome, you had really great seats. If you're

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Speaker 2: sitting next to step shut Out, Netflix, Netflix Premiere. As

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Speaker 2: I was on the carpet, I just kept kicking myself

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Speaker 2: as silly as it sounds, be Cody Rhods, you're doing

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Speaker 2: caught up in the idea of thinking about the eighties,

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Speaker 2: thinking about not just my father but all his peers

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Speaker 2: a vulnerability to when you sit across from somebody and

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00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 2: you actually have you share this drink together, and you

433
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 2: ask questions outside of the suspension of disbelief, outside of

434
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: canonical what we're doing on our show more a little

435
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 2: bit behind the scenes. But I like to showcase my

436
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 2: guests in a way that if you didn't understand them,

437
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 2: maybe you'll start watching a raw or SmackDown and maybe

438
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 2: that's your guy now, Maybe that's your girl now, just

439
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 2: because there's something you didn't know about. You know, wrestlers

440
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 2: are a funny, insecure, wildly confident sometimes party animals. They're

441
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 2: just all over the map. The human element of it

442
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 2: gets to be on what do you want to talk about?

443
00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 2: And I like that a lot.

444
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 1: Well, I think two and to add my goal being

445
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 1: in this space for almost sixteen now was being able

446
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: to humanize your guests and show like, you know, everyone

447
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 1: knows what you do, but I wanted to be able

448
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: to pull back the curtain a little bit more from

449
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: my audience and kind of show you as a man,

450
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: as a father, as a businessman. So that's kind of

451
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: always been my thought process going into it, and again

452
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 1: to introduce fans to new people and new opportunities. Before

453
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: you were the top guy in the WWE you left

454
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. Yeah, can you explain that journey?

455
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 2: Oh man, it was I'm surprised they let me back,

456
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: and legally, I one thing there's a byproduct of my

457
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 2: departure is nobody gets to leave how I left. I

458
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 2: got so a lucky I was Dusty rhodes Son. Also,

459
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 2: I think they respected that I had put in a

460
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 2: decade of work. I didn't even sign my release papers.

461
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 2: I told them I was done on social media, which

462
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 2: is none of this works anymore, none of this flies anymore.

463
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: I had to leave, and I've heard described as I

464
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 2: wanted to not be treated as a little kid anymore,

465
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 2: and they were only ever gonna see me as a

466
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: little kid. And I'm thirty at the time. A ten

467
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: year shift's been put in. I've offered a different body

468
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 2: of work than my brother or dad ever did, just different,

469
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 2: just a different variety. And maybe maybe it was a

470
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: matter if I wanted to come back and be seen

471
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 2: as an adult or come back and be seen as Hey,

472
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: I've accrued all this knowledge. I've wrestled Triple h I've

473
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 2: wrestled The Undertaker, I've been in the ring with Sean Michaels.

474
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 2: You don't get that knowledge unless you're in the ring

475
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: with them, and you guys aren't allowing me to showcase it.

476
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: But as time's going on, I look back at it

477
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: and think a lot of it was more immaturity on

478
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 2: my part. Anger, a lot of anger which can take

479
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: you very very far. My gosh, a chip on your shoulder.

480
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: I just wanted to show outside of the bubble of

481
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: w B, and I've talked about the bubble. I wanted

482
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 2: to show that I could mobilize an audience to follow me.

483
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 2: If that meant to a VFW hall where can only

484
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 2: hold four hundred people, if that meant to the cow

485
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 2: Palace where you're you know, putting you know, over four

486
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 2: thousand people in there for a show that wasn't w

487
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 2: B or the original all In, which was just a

488
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: person on social saying nobody can get ten thousand people

489
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 2: besides w B and me taking the bet, and then

490
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: the next thing you know, we're off and running and

491
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 2: there's an alternative promotion out there. I was very lucky, though,

492
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 2: I got to find a sexier way to tell the story.

493
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: Aroun I'm like, oh, I knew all along, and you know,

494
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 2: but I was very lucky because I was surrounded by

495
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 2: good people. I was so angry that I wasn't sleeping.

496
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 2: I was just motivated. I needed to be everywhere at

497
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 2: every point I possibly could be, and especially with social

498
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 2: media and podcasts and how everything are today, I wanted

499
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,239
Speaker 2: to make sure throughout my time away, I took the

500
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: news feed away. Every week, I did something every week

501
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 2: that took the news feed away. And to the point

502
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 2: where you know, the Bullet Club was group I was

503
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 2: part of. Finn Balor started the Bullet Club in New

504
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 2: Japan and aj Styles was a leader, and we had

505
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 2: so many shirts at a WrestleMania that a market dealer

506
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: was asking, hey, where are they? When are they on

507
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 2: the show, and they had to be told, oh there,

508
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: that's another thing. So just the underground scene, meeting my

509
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: flavor and the guys I was around. Just again, I

510
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 2: never can explain it correctly, but I was. I was

511
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 2: very lucky to have that, and I was very motivated

512
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: to get it done.

513
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: But I mean, also to your credit, you bet on yourself. Yeah,

514
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: which is important. I think a lot of people like

515
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: you said. I mean, you mentioned earlier than some wrestlers

516
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: are insecure and there's a lot of athletes are insecure

517
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: as a whole, like to be able to have the

518
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 1: legacy in the weight on your shoulders, to be at

519
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: the top of the mount in the WWE and then bounce,

520
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 1: take a you know, leave and have a hiatus for

521
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: you know, a handful of years and be able to

522
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: come back like you bet on yourself.

523
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 2: And it worked, It worked, and it worked further than

524
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 2: I ever imagine. I think everyone thought w B lifer,

525
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 2: and nobody knew this was always the goal until I

526
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: really set it out loud and tried to will it

527
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: in existence and came back to w B. But I

528
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: think a lot about it now because now I'm I'm

529
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: often put out there as the face of the company,

530
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 2: and I don't know if that's accurate or not, but

531
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 2: that's often where I'm positioned, and I'm honored by that role.

532
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: But I think, is he still inside? I know that's

533
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 2: like a crazy thing. Is this disruptor? Is he still

534
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: in there? How would he approach this? How would he feel?

535
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: I try everything I can to not become a corporate

536
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 2: version of myself, even in the most corporate setting. That's

537
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: important because it's it could be quite easy actually, you know,

538
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: you get everything you ever want and then you got

539
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: to find it inside. Is it still on fire?

540
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: You know? Then? Also too, I mean, I mean you're

541
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: forty years old. I mean understanding the journey you've been on.

542
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people don't appreciate and enjoy

543
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: the journey. Yeah, because it's you know, you've been wrestling

544
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: for twenty years now, and you know, God willing however

545
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: long you want to wrestle. You know, you're kind of

546
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: on the back side of that. So just understanding and

547
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: appreciating that journey because it's been incredible. Were there ever

548
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: times talk to us, because it's only natural times that

549
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: during you were on between sixteen and twenty two when

550
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: you went back, was there any times you doubted yourself before.

551
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 2: I came back to w Oh my gosh. All the

552
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: time I thought about going and getting a degree, because

553
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: in Georgia, if you have a degree, you can be

554
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: a wrestling coach. I was really into amateur wrestling growing up.

555
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: I was the only one in my family who did

556
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: folk style, freestyle greco Roman. I thought I'd be a

557
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: really good coach and that I never thought about a

558
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 2: plan B. So that was the first time Plan B

559
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 2: comes up. You're married at the time, no children just yet,

560
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: but looking to start a family. And you can't start

561
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: a family with just nothing, you know, or a little

562
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: bit of savings here and there. From my time with

563
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: w B. But I doubted myself. I feel like I

564
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: doubt myself every step of the journey. But here's what

565
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: happens in wrestling, is you put up a good performance,

566
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: you have a match, you do somethings, a segment of promo.

567
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: The fans are always the one to tell you that

568
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: you're doing it, that that something is happening. And that

569
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 2: was undeniable during that period, and it was there was

570
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: others involved with me, but it was undeniable, the buzz

571
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: that was happening. And it'll give you a great example.

572
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: You do a show in San Antonio in a bowling

573
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: alley for three thousand people a bowling alley. Right, They've

574
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: been sitting there for five hours watching this TV taping

575
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: and you're the last thing out there, and you stay

576
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: out there for forty five minutes to an hour, just

577
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: making jokes on the mic, off camera, greeting the fans,

578
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: and not a single soul leaves. You know, there's something

579
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: going there's something happening, and that's always been I never

580
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: get mad at fans, and fans had booed me in

581
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: the past, and maybe they weren't supposed to boom me,

582
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: or fans had gotten to me in a social space,

583
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: whatever it was. I never could go to sleep mad

584
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: at them because they're also responsible for everything I have.

585
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: And that's not just my career, but the confidence. You

586
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: can't do it for silence, right, the live audience needs

587
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: is what we do.

588
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: Yes, this is what makes you the noise, being able

589
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: to decide for the noise of what set's greatness apart. Yeah.

590
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: Tully Blanchard is a legendary wrestler from the Four Horsemen.

591
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: I remember him telling me your job is just to

592
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: make them the loudest, the longest. It doesn't matter if

593
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: it's up that booze cheers, just the loudest, the longest.

594
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: And ever since he said that, scene is of the

595
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: same mindset that's always been Okay, I can do that.

596
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: I interviewed me today and they were super excited, So

597
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 1: I have some questions from them, but I remember so.

598
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: I had an incident with Kobe in two thousand and

599
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: nine where I faked the ball in his face and

600
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: the yeah, fucking went crazy. My twins got to start

601
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: traveling with me after that because they got become a

602
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: little bit older and I had to use a rest

603
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: kind of example to let them know what it was. So,

604
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: as I told you before, my job was always to

605
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: guard the best player. And the twins would come to

606
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: the games like, Dad, why do they blew you when

607
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: they announced your name in the starting lineup? And I'm thinking, like,

608
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: all right, how do I explain this to six year olds?

609
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, you know, daddy has to guard

610
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,719
Speaker 1: the best player of it, so that's like Coole Colgan

611
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: and then Daddy's the undertaker. Yeah, and like, but you

612
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: don't wear black. I was like, yeah, I know, but

613
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: that's my uniform is a basketball. Yeah. Okay, So they

614
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: like you, they just don't like the job you're doing

615
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: them exactly.

616
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: Well, you were the heel.

617
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: Yeah you had to be.

618
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: You had to be everybody's heal. But there's did you

619
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: feel there was a following for you as well?

620
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: It was split because yeah, it's when I became the

621
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: bad guy. It kind of hurt my feelings because I

622
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 1: felt like, damn, I'm not a bad guy. But then

623
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: once I became once I got ahold of that and

624
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: embraced it. I was the villain. I was great with

625
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: being that villain that you needed.

626
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: Well, I think too, when you're so good at it

627
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: and you're at the level you were, it's not a

628
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: bad guy in a what we would call in the

629
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: wrestling business station in the wrestling business we call like

630
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: a chicken shit heel that's not as good as the

631
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: type of heel perhaps a Rick Flair was so the

632
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: type of you even mentioned the Undertaker one that nine

633
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: times out of ten might be winning this thing. Actually,

634
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: you know, there's a consistency to it to the point

635
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: where you stay that long enough, you find yourself a

636
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: good guy. Yeah, you stay that long enough, you find

637
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: this is this disruptor, this individual, and and you end

638
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: up playing with some of the guys that you used

639
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: to have to guard and things like that.

640
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: You know, well, that was the thing not to cut

641
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: you off. Literally. That next season, Kobe recruited me to

642
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: the Lakers. Yes, so we got into it. We fought,

643
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: and now we're teammates like, oh shit, maybe he's not

644
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: that bad after it.

645
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: No, you weren't bad at all. Is if we're gonna

646
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: we need we need it right, Yeah.

647
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: Heel versus babyface. You've done both in your career. Explain

648
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: the nuances that are held in each of those spaces.

649
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: Gosh, it's a today, It's it's easier to be heel.

650
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: I suppose you know, traditionally a heel is gonna lead

651
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: the match. This is the bad guy. They're gonna feel

652
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: the crowd. Hopefully they're educated enough to know, you know,

653
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: their connection with them when they want you to get up,

654
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: when they want you to not yet you know, in

655
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: terms of then this comeback comes whatever. Even with that said,

656
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: it's a little easier to be disliked today, whereas in

657
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five now or in the last five years

658
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: or so, baby faces were essentially an endangered species because

659
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: something about doing the right thing wasn't as cool as

660
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: it used to be. You know, the eighties are one thing.

661
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: You know, Bob Ackland was amazing and beloved by fans,

662
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: but that type of kind of goodie two shoes virtuous

663
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: style wasn't the thing that was on. You know, we

664
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 2: got Breaking Bad on TV, you got Game of Thrones.

665
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: There's a different type of hero. But something opened up

666
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: in the wrestling space where I don't know if it's

667
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: virtuous or if it's goody two shoes or whatever it

668
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: may be, but something open up in the wrestling space

669
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: where good guys have become a thing again. And I

670
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: don't think it's about being virtuous as much as about

671
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: being authentic. You know, Jay Uso is one of the

672
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: most popular wrestlers on the planet. Jay's done some diabolical stuff.

673
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: I've been so lucky I got a great following with

674
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: our young audience. I've done some terrible stuff I would

675
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: hate if they looked up, but when they see me,

676
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: they are one hundred percent sure that is authentically who

677
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: I am authentically, and I think that's been the key

678
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: to being a good guy. I also think it's more challenging.

679
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: We're at this point where the longer that it goes

680
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: for me, the less I'm able to turn to this nefarious,

681
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: dmon bad guy because so much has happened that there's

682
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 2: a core audience now that won't go. And we actually

683
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: saw this with John Cena recently. I admired him taking

684
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: the challenge and loved him going forward the idea of

685
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 2: being a bad guy at the end. But you've got

686
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: decades of equity built with them. All that's probably gonna

687
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: happen is no, we're gonna stay with you. We don't

688
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: agree with a lot of these where we're staying with you,

689
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: which is in fun in its own way because it

690
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: creates a hell of an acoustic in the live crowd.

691
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: But he'll babyface is really funny to determine if you

692
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: were looking at a sheet our roster. A lot of

693
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: guys who look like heels might be babyfaces. A lot

694
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: of guys who look like babyfaces might be the heels.

695
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: Same with the girls. It's really our audience is gonna

696
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 2: make the choice.

697
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: We spoke to the wear and tear and off came

698
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: before we started, what it was like when you first

699
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: came in and how much you wrestled, and then what

700
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: it's like now. Can you break that down to.

701
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean live events today, I wouldn't be able

702
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: to do like today because we'd be in Omaha, Nebraska

703
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 2: and wed you know, you do your Saturday live event,

704
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: your Sunday live event. Perhaps you do Monday night roll

705
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: your home, you know, Tuesday, Wednesday hit back on the road, Thursday,

706
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: you do Friday Night SmackDown. It was you were home

707
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: two and a half to three days a week and

708
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 2: you were wrestling. But those live events were wrestling matches,

709
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: so it went twofold. You could really get banged up

710
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: and hurt yourself, or you built up a bit of

711
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: a rhythm and a it's like dancing almost. You got

712
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: to rep out of it where it only advanced your

713
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: skill and at one point in your career they could

714
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 2: be hurting you like crazy, and at another point in

715
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: your career you could absolutely need them. I will, and

716
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 2: my man from Talent Relations is here had said, don't

717
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: say it out loud, but I will. I loved the

718
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: days we were wrestling on right, Oh my gosh.

719
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: So give me an example loving.

720
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: I want it back in a year.

721
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: In a year, back in the day, how many days

722
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: out of the year would you be wrestling?

723
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: I mean, so what is that? It would be two

724
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: hundred and something dates sixty Yeah, two dates, and now

725
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: we're at one hundred and twenty ish.

726
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: So you guys got a little bit of load management now.

727
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: Oh again, like credit to the new too new management

728
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: at w TOB with Triple H and Nick con it's

729
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: far healthy. But I came up in the system where

730
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: you're always wrestling, So I look at it and don't

731
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 2: That's how I knew you would get good at it.

732
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: That's so we've got to figure out how else.

733
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: Can we do that. I love that parallel because I

734
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: came from an era in the NBA. Obviously it's a

735
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: heavy load. Guys are making a ton of money now

736
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: and it's load management up. But I came up in

737
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: an era where we went through the entire training camp,

738
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: played the entire preseason. It was an honor to play

739
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: eighty two games, and we wanted to play every single

740
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: playoff game, right. That was like, that's how we came

741
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: up in the game. So I miss you know, I

742
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: look at it from a standpoint of it if I'm

743
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: going to a wrestling event or if I'm going to

744
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: a basketball game, like I want to see the best

745
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: players out there every single time. Yeah, I mean, because

746
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: it's how expensive it is and all the other you're

747
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: taking a whole family. So it's interesting that the similar

748
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: parallels in wrestling. You know, like you miss the old

749
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: school grind. We're out that motherfucker two hundred days a

750
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: year and we're getting it done. But to your point,

751
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: that's how you felt like you got better and that's

752
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: how you felt those reps got everyone else better.

753
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's you got a rhythm with your

754
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 2: your dancing partner. And you said load management. I don't

755
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: know if I've heard it, it's worded that way.

756
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: I hate that.

757
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 2: I like all there's all these new terms load management.

758
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: But man, oh man, I'm getting in so much trouble

759
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: with my peers. But these wrestling companies are banning so

760
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: much money. Now get up and then like the grind

761
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: is a negative? Now what are you talking about. You

762
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: get to go to a town on Saturday that may

763
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: not normally see you, and you get to see families

764
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 2: and you get to have a moment with them, and

765
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: you get to be their escape, you get to be

766
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: their hope. Then you go Sunday you do it all

767
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 2: over again Monday. You've got a good idea, you've been

768
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: on the road, your mind has been tuned in a

769
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 2: wrestling You've had a good idea, how to do this promo,

770
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 2: how to do this match. It's just I miss it,

771
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: but I do. I credit too. Ever figures out with

772
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: load management, whoever figures out how we improve, and I'm

773
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: seeing it. Dom Mysterio is probably my favorite example. Don

774
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: Masterio does not have the amount of live events that

775
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: we used to have, although he's working multiple companies for

776
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: WW at the moment, special special talent. He's somebody that's

777
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 2: often cited internally. I don't think I'm giving anything away

778
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 2: here as somebody who's gonna be a future of WWE.

779
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: He's one of the ones that when it said, I

780
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: believe it, like I think I'm going to come to

781
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: a WW show in fifteen years and pay money to

782
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: see and it will probably be Dom Masterio on the

783
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: top of the car because he's figuring out how to

784
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: do it. So whatever he's got, yeah, ok, yeah, but

785
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: you never know. He's tall, he's got like you never like,

786
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: you know, by the work in like the Hurre Editarry

787
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: passion that Ray has. He has raised, you know, the

788
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: greatest sutra door of all time with respect to Santo,

789
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: I think he really is the greatest to ever do it.

790
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: Dom is special. There's there's a few that I see

791
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: on that list, and that one for sure. I don't

792
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: want to be overly confident, and you know, but I

793
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: certainly believe it. He's somebody I'm gonna go pay to

794
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: see at an event in fifteen years.

795
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I feel like you obviously have the

796
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: respect of what it is, but you miss how it was. Yeah,

797
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's the same thing. I'm not

798
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: gonna be one of these old dudes and shut your

799
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: old ass up complaining how it used to be. But

800
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: like there is some some some you know, there is

801
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: some nostalgia and how the grind used to be done,

802
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: for sure.

803
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: And I remember something one time my dad asked. Somebody

804
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 2: asked my dad, what which is harder, wrestling seven days

805
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: a week or what they do now in TV wrestling.

806
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: At the time, we were wrestling maybe three days a week.

807
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: And he actually surprised everybody with an answer. He said,

808
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: today is harder because high definition television, every everything you do,

809
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 2: this conversation, we're having lifts forever. So you can't copy

810
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 2: and paste, you can't time, you can't steal a song,

811
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: layer it can put it on a T shirt because

812
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: there's somebody who's gonna find it. And so you like

813
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: they were getting a little getting away with things of

814
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: that nature, whereas today it's just the pressure is on.

815
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: And one of the cool things about and I don't

816
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: know if it's cool for a wrestler, but it's cool

817
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: for a fan. One of the cool things about today

818
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: and the lack of live events we have is when

819
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: you see two guys go at it in the ring,

820
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: that might be the first time they genuinely ever touch.

821
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 2: And I love about that is that those can be

822
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: a little stiff, those can be you know, like those

823
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: can be as real as real gets in a way,

824
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: and that's that's fun for an audience member.

825
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 1: Walkers. I mean again as a as a longtime fan,

826
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: and I kind of fell off as an adult, and my

827
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: kids brought me back in your guys' ecosystem. Walk me

828
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: through a quote unquote match snight or a game day,

829
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: Like what is your day? Like, when do you have

830
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: to get there? How do you prepare? Do you work

831
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: with your partner? Or like how does that work? You know?

832
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: You see, we got a good, good team here. I

833
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: always have a schedule for everything in the day, and

834
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: I try to balance out from a priority standpoint. WW

835
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: has a lot of things, partners, backstage tours, merchandise is

836
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: a massive component of WW today, especially with our partnership

837
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: with Fanatics. You're looking at a stack of three hundred

838
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: to five hundred. If you're a top man or woman

839
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 2: of eight x tens, they got to be signed autograph

840
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: weight belts. There's also various you know, community partnerships like

841
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: Make a Wish and those are we try to give.

842
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: Those are absolute one percent all and you've got to

843
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: do that. You've got to also while doing all of this,

844
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: have that hydration mix in the shaker. Make sure your

845
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: gear is laid out on you in your locker room

846
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: or on the bus. Uh, you've got to have the

847
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: top notch again HD television, the top notch gear in

848
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: the game, which is a lot based on wrestlers. What

849
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 2: would I say their preference? Triple Ah doesn't tell me

850
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 2: how the American Nightmare looks. I've that's my character. He

851
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: gives it a spotlight, he gives it a highlight. He

852
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: might give me a note. But a lot of the

853
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: characters seeing a great deal of the ones that are

854
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: popular with the crowd come from us. And you've got

855
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: to have everything ready again to steal the feed. So

856
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: it's just a mind going type thing all day and

857
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: with maybe you're wrestling somebody you've never touched before, you're

858
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: working against somebody like a Drew mcandire's is this giant

859
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: Scottish just ball of muscle that you know is going

860
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: to throw you around and it's going to be rather

861
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 2: aggressive evening. You can't take any risk. You've got to

862
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: The last thing you want to be is that wrestler

863
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: who's taping his wrist up while his music is hitting

864
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: in Gorilla And no, I like to be very, very prepared.

865
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: I don't like to run it tight at all. So

866
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 2: it's just a matter of if you've got a checklist

867
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: and I always have a little old school yellow legal

868
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: pad with everything that's supposed to get done in a day.

869
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: And they're silly thing, shave your upper body like there's

870
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: still a thing you know, like they're just but they're

871
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: they're but you if you don't by the time that

872
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: bell rings and you can hear that crowd coming into

873
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: their seats and they're wooing and they're doing all that,

874
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: you want to know, you did everything right. You're prepared.

875
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you something because I'm I feel like

876
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: I've circled around your answer because every day is different.

877
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you something that really helps at WW

878
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: helps you prepare is we have our own set of

879
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: coaches that we call producers who help us with our matches.

880
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: You've got a legendary person like Michael Freebird Hayes, who's

881
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: just if you can get past the wild enigma and

882
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: unbelievable charisma and swag that Michael's got and whatever outfit

883
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: he has on for that day, he's he is a

884
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 2: super genius, as we call in the industry when it

885
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: comes to Hey, I think the crowd may be here

886
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 2: by the time you go out there. You got to

887
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: give him this. You have mister Paul Hayman, you have

888
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 2: Triple h. You got a young guy like Bobby rue

889
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: d Abyss, Chris Park, these producers, Molly Holly, all these

890
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 2: producers have experienced have a wrestling IQ. If we didn't

891
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: have them, WW would not be as hot as is

892
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 2: right now. That producer's squad.

893
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: Now, is that new to the game. Has it always

894
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: been that way or is it kind of amped up

895
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: as you guys as the sport has continued to reach

896
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: its peak.

897
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: I think it's amped up. It's always been part of

898
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: the game, but it might have been a lot less

899
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: when it was Chief j Strongbow just telling you and I, Hey,

900
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: he's gonna give you the leg drop at the end.

901
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: You know, all right, cool, we'll figure the rest out.

902
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 2: You now have a lot. And maybe that's the answer

903
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: to my question earlier, is how we improve is to

904
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: have those minds in the business. I love when arn

905
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: Anderson's around. I love you, Jesse the body Ventterra will

906
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 2: talk your head till it explodes. But when he's around,

907
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: I know you're getting some of the greatest information ever.

908
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 2: And I remember one hundred years ago saying Triple h saying,

909
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: all the books are there, guys. If you don't go

910
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: in there, grab a book and open it up, that's

911
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: your fault. And really, you know NXT right now, our

912
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: developmental system is taught by probably the greatest bell the

913
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 2: bell wrestler ever in that being Sean Michaels. If you're

914
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 2: not picking this up, you know, And maybe that's again

915
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm answering my own question throughout this conversation.

916
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: I like it.

917
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the difference between wrestling four days a week

918
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: is having those super genius type individuals around to walk

919
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: you through what you did wrong, walk you through what

920
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: you can do further. Undertakers now super involved with a

921
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 2: Triple AR partner which is crazy because that's Luca Libre,

922
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: but he knows. Yeah, live crowds are live crowds, So

923
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: to have them cheat code, Yeah, that's what it is.

924
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: It's a cheat code.

925
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, playing and performing through pain. You had a legendary

926
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: picture that we're going to pull up right here. It's gross.

927
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: You toy your peck muscle right there. Yeah, talk to us.

928
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm someone and again, football is crazy basketball.

929
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: I've done the tourt ale shots where I've torn something

930
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: in my shoulder, having an able to practice and I

931
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: take this shot, I'm superhuman for four hours and then

932
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: I'm back to horrible pain. You being able to perform

933
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: through pain and not allow it to affect your mental

934
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: and still go out there and put on performance. What

935
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: are some of the stuff that you guys have to do,

936
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: in particular with this injury right here, that you had

937
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: to do to get your mind in the right place

938
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: to be able to make it through this night?

939
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: This is really and this is what a brutal picture

940
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: this is.

941
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: Uh, But that's to me, like as a fan, that's

942
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: like that's a You're a fucking warrior, you know what

943
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: I mean? For you to be able to play or

944
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: perform through something like that. You know, obviously the admiration

945
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: goes through the roof, but it's it's that's not the

946
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: only time you've been hurt. There's a number of times

947
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: where you had to get through it.

948
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: This was there was really no element of preparation because

949
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I didn't think I would be able

950
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: to wrestle, And a lot of me being able to

951
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: wrestle is maybe at the time I was scary enough,

952
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: or intimidating enough, or forceful enough with everyone I spoke

953
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: to from a office level, who's in charge of me

954
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 2: going out there and the world seeing that my pectendon

955
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: is removed from the bone and now is filled with blood.

956
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: I just wasn't allowing the conversation to get to a

957
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: place where I wasn't wrestling. We were the main event.

958
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: Peacock had seen a big surge in subs for Hell

959
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: in the Cell, and I'd also not been the main

960
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: event before I'd come back to wrestle Mania. I wrestled

961
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: Seth Rollins Amazing, wrestled mcnick again the next month of Backlash.

962
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 2: So we've done too. Now we're the main event and

963
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 2: we're finishing it off in Hell in the Cell, which

964
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: is one of wrestling's best creations, and we're the main

965
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: event all statering in Chicago, which has not always been

966
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: a market that liked me. It's a real pro punk market,

967
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 2: and they never they liked me, but I always had

968
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: to earn them over. I just couldn't leave them hanging.

969
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 2: There was nothing else that could have been the main event.

970
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: I don't mean that with any braggadosha, just there wasn't.

971
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 2: So I hid. Really was my preparation, you know. The

972
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: night before one doctor looked at it. My own physician said, well,

973
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 2: it can't get any worse because it was torn. I

974
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: had strengthened my fingers and things of that nature. But

975
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: WW is also very adamant about there's no substance abuse

976
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 2: in this company anymore. None in the years the eighties

977
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 2: are over. We've got to be healthy, We've got to

978
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: be clean. So people ask all the time if I

979
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 2: had any like pain medication or anything of that nature.

980
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 2: I had for baby aspirins, really because they didn't even

981
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: have regular ad bill. Now they read it. I had

982
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: regular ad bill, I would have had it, but they

983
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: had that baby aspirin. I was for this match.

984
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: I was fine.

985
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: Until a couple minutes in, and then I remember at

986
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: the time being told, Hey, if you're in pain, we

987
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: are going to stop it. There's nothing to prove here.

988
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: If you're in pain, we are going to stop it.

989
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 2: And my thought was, how would you know, I'm already

990
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 2: were pretending to be in pain, Like, what level of

991
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: pain are you gonna go on? That's right? So I'm

992
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: walking this tightrope the whole match, not sure if they're

993
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: just gonna ring the bell, But I just Seth was

994
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 2: the perfect person to be in there with me. Seth Rollins,

995
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: And the crazy thing about this photo is Seth Rollins

996
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 2: and I recently wrestled at Crown Jewel and Seth finally

997
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 2: beat me. I'd beat him three times before, nobody had

998
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: sweeped him like that, but he tore his I don't

999
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: know he tore I want to say his rotator cuff is.

1000
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 2: We don't have an actual answer on what's but Seth,

1001
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: I know, has gone under the knife and got surgery,

1002
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 2: so at this point real not real. However, you look

1003
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: at the industry. Him and I aren't good for each other.

1004
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: We're not We don't need to wrestle ever, again, He's lost.

1005
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: He's lost his shoulder. That was the first major injury

1006
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: I ever had. But I was glad to be in

1007
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 2: the ring with him that night.

1008
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: It was special. I mean, what is it? Obviously you

1009
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: hear about substance abuse in all leagues, all entertainment facets,

1010
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: and obviously all leagues have tried to change it, Like

1011
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: what do you guy? You guys beat the shit out

1012
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: of your body? What do you out of outside of

1013
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: just trying to take care of it? Like, what do

1014
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: you guys do to maintain.

1015
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: I think now it again load management, which is now

1016
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: my favorite term. Ww's really good about Hey, such and

1017
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: such banged up?

1018
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: It's not.

1019
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: We don't power through anymore. That might have been the

1020
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 2: very last example of let's power through. We really the show.

1021
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 2: We create the show so we can navigate around things

1022
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 2: like that and give somebody a break if they need it.

1023
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: You just have more athlete conscious people today. You know,

1024
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 2: you've got people who are have amino shakes. You've got

1025
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:38,479
Speaker 2: people who are I started doing pilates about a year ago,

1026
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,439
Speaker 2: because your workout has to change as you get past

1027
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: thirty five. Right, this peck injury came from me being

1028
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: a dumb ass and trying to binge three point fifteen

1029
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: with no warm up and open toad sandals. Oh right, dude,

1030
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 2: took it off the bar. Took it off the bar,

1031
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: bro open toad sandals, open cup of coffee, what like,

1032
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: no knowledge of a body of athleticism of so so

1033
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: we now, I feel like, have such a good crew. Larry,

1034
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: who's our head trainer, We have just a good crew

1035
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: of athlete minded people. And this is why it has

1036
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: to be this way. Modern wrestling is insanely fast, with

1037
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: an insane amount of rotations, flips, high spots, whatever you

1038
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: want to call them. It's not getting any slower. It's

1039
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: only going to get more dangerous and more wild. So

1040
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: if we're not doing it safely, we're gonna kill our

1041
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: own business. So you find a lot more people. It's

1042
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 2: not like the golden eighties, whereas like guy smoking a

1043
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: cigarette douce does ten pushups and goes out there and

1044
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 2: tears the house down. It's not that I kind of

1045
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: wish that'd be fun. It's a science now, yeah, it's

1046
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 2: a whole science, and we're just I feel like we've

1047
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: been provided proper education. I don't mean to I don't

1048
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: want to kiss his butt further, but I will. But

1049
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: one thing that really helps is Triple H being in

1050
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,479
Speaker 2: charge because he was an athlete in there who got hurt,

1051
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: who's been there and had to bring himself back into

1052
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 2: the game. So when you're around other people like that,

1053
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 2: you see it and you know it. And now no

1054
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: one's coming back early. There's no one like, hey, they

1055
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 2: gave me seven months, but I'll be back in four. No, no,

1056
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 2: you'll be back in seven and you'll be good.

1057
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: We'll be waiting for you.

1058
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be waiting. It will be here when you

1059
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: come back.

1060
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1061
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: So it's just a lot more athlete minded and smart

1062
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: businessmen and.

1063
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: Women balancing work life and being a father. I mean,

1064
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: we're thankful to get a little three and a half

1065
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 1: month break in our NBA seasons. I was someone who

1066
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: personally walked away from the game after fourteen nearly fifteen years,

1067
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 1: and was still paid for another two years. I still

1068
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: had two years on my deal because I felt like

1069
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: I was missing time with my kids. You're a father

1070
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: of two beautiful young girls and a newborn right the

1071
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: newborn is eight weeks and a four year old daughter.

1072
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: What is the balance like and how do you make

1073
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: time for your kids and your family.

1074
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 2: I remember hearing somebody saying there really is no such

1075
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 2: thing as the balance. You either are doing one or

1076
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: you're doing the other. I have really tried everything I

1077
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: can to bring it together, and a lot of times

1078
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 2: that's expensive. I know that's a silly thing though, but

1079
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: that's but I don't mind going in on the PJ

1080
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 2: that gets me home at three in the morning versus

1081
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 2: showing up at five pm the next day. I just

1082
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 2: try to be there at the breakfast table for my

1083
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: oldest daughter, which is Liberty, because that's what she expects.

1084
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: She does understand that I go away for SmackDown is

1085
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 2: what she refers to everything, as you know. So but Leilani,

1086
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 2: my newborn. I just always try to find the moments,

1087
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: and a lot of it can be. We're lucky as

1088
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: wrestlers that we get to travel the world and wrestle everywhere.

1089
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 2: This way the company is now, you can make it

1090
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: so the family comes with, oh really, this isn't an era.

1091
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of wrestlers almost did it.

1092
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: Man.

1093
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: I've really gone in on the eighties today and I

1094
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 2: shouldn't have, but like they almost did it. In spite

1095
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: of the fact that they had a family versus the

1096
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 2: idea that they do it for their family. You know,

1097
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: my girls, I got photos with them at with Liberty

1098
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: at SummerSlam, and and she knows the backstage area she's

1099
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 2: gone to still photos, she's taken some photos before she's

1100
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 2: she's We've tried to bring her into the mix, because

1101
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: that's the only way to do it. You know, you

1102
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: got to You got guys who've got tour buses now,

1103
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 2: and those are many homes, so you can have your life,

1104
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: you know, and and that's that's special. But it certainly

1105
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: I think you hit a point. You said something earlier

1106
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 2: that I'm thinking, Yeah, he's not wrong. You get to

1107
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 2: a point where there's only so much. You can only

1108
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 2: go so long. And I think I know my number

1109
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: where I'd like to get with this. And and I

1110
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: was lucky that my dad, who I thought was the

1111
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: best dad ever, he was out of the game. He

1112
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 2: was in it as a producer and as a creator,

1113
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: pop in here as kind of an old man wrestler

1114
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 2: every now and then, but he was out of the game.

1115
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 2: So he was number one dad at every game. He

1116
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: coached our football team. He's known in Cobb County as

1117
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: coach more than the American dream, like that's what he was.

1118
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: I I'd like to make it by the time they hit

1119
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: that age that I'm not I'm not going that often

1120
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 2: or I can't really walk around that much. And and

1121
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 2: that's we're getting We're getting closer. What I'd say is

1122
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 2: probably my last contract with ww or the next contract

1123
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: I signed probably be my last and and finish finish

1124
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 2: my days with w w E. It's the house that

1125
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: built me, and it's the house that brought me back

1126
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: and put me in this wonderful, wonderful position. But yeah,

1127
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 2: I I I don't know. It's very very hard to balance.

1128
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 2: It certainly is you've got to but when you're in it,

1129
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: you gotta be in it. Arn Anderson, I remember him

1130
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 2: telling me when you came off, when you come off

1131
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: the road, He's like, don't take a nap. When you

1132
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 2: come off the road and you show up at that house,

1133
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: you're on, You're on. And I love that challenge. Now

1134
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 2: two little ones, though, it's a little different. So uh,

1135
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 2: I'm learning as we go again. Eight weeks so we're

1136
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 2: in the phase of all best laid plans, whatever scale,

1137
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 2: all the help you could get still. It's coming at

1138
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: you from all angles, you know.

1139
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: So.

1140
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 2: But I got right back in it, man, I got

1141
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: right back in. I had changed a few diapers, it

1142
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 2: had been a minute, and then like I got back

1143
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 2: right away.

1144
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: I was like right like I was.

1145
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: I was so excited. Yeah, all these people taking all

1146
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 2: their time and like they're they got like the Aqua

1147
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 2: Ford and something like no, yeah, yeah I got her, Yeah,

1148
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 2: I got her her two girls too.

1149
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1150
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: I don't know girl dad, yeah, real the girl Dad's

1151
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: like a thing in wrestling, and I don't.

1152
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: I don't.

1153
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: I think I have unrealistic expectations for like I just

1154
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 2: assume they're going to live with me forever, and then

1155
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 2: it ain't, you know. And then I'm thinking, here's what

1156
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 2: I can do to really screw that guy up. Set

1157
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 2: set the bar so high.

1158
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: Come on, man, my dad's been doing this ship. What

1159
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: are you talking about?

1160
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, set the bar so high that their daddy issues

1161
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: are actually that I'm just always there. Yeah, their daddy's standards.

1162
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to take you back real, QUI before

1163
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: we get out of your dad. Late Great Dusty Rhodes

1164
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: rest in peace. But we found some footage of him hooping'

1165
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: popska hoop a little bit.

1166
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: Oh dude, dude, I know the footage.

1167
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: Let's let's watch this clip that I know the footage.

1168
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: He was out there working big body jumpers. Look at

1169
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: his outfit holex S Luger and Sting. This is amazing,

1170
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: So explain what this was.

1171
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 2: This is I believe the NWA versus the Charlotte Police.

1172
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: My dad was also the boss of the company. He

1173
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: was the executive producer. There's Barry Wyndham on the free

1174
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: throw line. He gave a speech before that has been

1175
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: described by I want to say Sting as not even

1176
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: a pep talk. He said, if we lose to these guys,

1177
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: you're fired. So I I have. My legacy of basketball

1178
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 2: is complicated my my dad. I think his favorite sport

1179
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: was basketball, and my mom has this one picture of

1180
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 2: him going up for a layup and like talks about

1181
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: how sexy his legs were. He's like a big, robust man.

1182
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: So it's like not the area you're like, you.

1183
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: Know, but he loved basketball. We always had a hoop

1184
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: at all our houses and if we had moved or

1185
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: if the one was you'd be hearing him out there

1186
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 2: sending up in the morning. I played horse with my

1187
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 2: dad every day from fifth grade to sophomore year in

1188
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: high school. I never ever beat my dad ever, ever,

1189
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 2: And then I furthered my shame because he loved basketball,

1190
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 2: loved it, and he was very much of the Like

1191
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 2: something that really motivated him was the year bird plays

1192
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: the the shoot around and doesn't take his jumper off,

1193
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: you know the one.

1194
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he goes and talks shit, doesn't take his

1195
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: warm up off and still wins it.

1196
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. He would treat that as if it was essentially

1197
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 2: like a great story in sports, Like that's that's motivating

1198
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 2: more than like the miracle on ice that he just

1199
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: he loved. He loved basketball, and I thought I was.

1200
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: I didn't get any of the skills, obviously, but fanatics

1201
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 2: fest if you want to see reverse of that footage,

1202
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 2: fanatics veest. God bless him. They did this thing where

1203
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: they got all of us playing different events, and I

1204
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: was not great at any of the events. I was also,

1205
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 2: you're doing the signings and you're doing the photo ops.

1206
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 2: If we ever do it again, we're gonna split the

1207
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: days so I can give it my time. But I

1208
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: did a full eye shot. I don't know twenty baskets.

1209
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 2: I didn't make one, and I'm in a three piece suit,

1210
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 2: but that's not even the excuse. Like I didn't even

1211
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: make one. The DJ there on the floor is like,

1212
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 2: all right, get it up for Cody. Here you go,

1213
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: come on, man, get him, get it up. I was

1214
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 2: just completely unathletic. My legs didn't look like I even

1215
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: know how to jump. You don't know how to human

1216
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 2: a little bit. Yeah, But the old man loved, loved basketball,

1217
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 2: and he honestly could play. He used to do all

1218
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: kinds of pickup games. You go to these buildings and

1219
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: they'd be like kids playing in the gym him, and

1220
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: the next thing you know, he'd be over there playing

1221
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: with him. He just he just loved it that. I

1222
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: loved that that footage exists because he was extremely athletic

1223
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: for a big, robust dude, and that is what his

1224
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: whole gimmick and wrestling was. People will see like a

1225
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 2: fat wrestler today and say something like, oh, he's like

1226
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 2: Dusty Rhodes, and I want to just no, no. Dusty

1227
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: Rhodes looked away and then worked away, and the same thing.

1228
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 2: Dusty Roads looked away and then he talked away. He

1229
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: just had a just lightning and I don't know what

1230
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 2: it was. Yeah.

1231
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: Man, we're coming down the home stretch. I'm gonna ask you.

1232
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: I want to throw the questions that my son's had

1233
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: at you. Yeah, a question, Yeah, those are them. I said,

1234
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm interviewing Cody Rose. What you guys would you guys

1235
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: like about him? He's like, you're your guests are so tough?

1236
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: Ask him, Carter said, ask him personality wise? How did

1237
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: you like playing two different people from Stardust to Cody Rose? Yeah? Yeah,

1238
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: what was that like?

1239
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 2: Well, So at the beginning of start Us, I looked

1240
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: at it as real. This was in the era of

1241
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 2: you're not getting a lot of playing time, but they

1242
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 2: want you to do something special with this character. You're

1243
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 2: gonna be with your brother Golddust. So I looked at

1244
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 2: it as a challenge to maximize, to really kind of

1245
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 2: make chicken salad out of chicken shit essentially, like to

1246
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 2: that's always a big thing in wrestling. Take something that's

1247
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 2: a little silly and then you blow it out. El

1248
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 2: Grande Americano is a guy we got right now who

1249
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 2: is doing this exact thing. He's taken something that could

1250
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 2: have been a death sentence for another wrestler and is

1251
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 2: just making it special. And they don't mean it to

1252
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 2: be a death sentence, but they mean it to be

1253
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 2: a challenge. And at the beginning of start Us, I thought,

1254
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 2: this is a great challenge. And I've answered the challenge.

1255
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 2: We're selling these gloves. I'm learning how to do the paint.

1256
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 2: I can be so ridiculous. My promos have almost moved

1257
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 2: into this realm where there's a British accent to it.

1258
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 2: At the it's just gone so ridiculous. All this sci

1259
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 2: fi knowledge and trek babble that I knew corporate into

1260
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 2: this character. But I also gave it a shelf life

1261
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 2: of about six months, so over a year. In was

1262
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 2: the lowest of low as a wrestler. And people will

1263
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 2: always send me pictures of me as like them would

1264
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 2: start Us, like remember we met, and I always tell

1265
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 2: them that's human rock Bo. That's like because it's a

1266
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 2: sad clown. I was always in full gimmick. And one

1267
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 2: of the reasons I was always in full gimmick I

1268
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: was embarrassed. I didn't want to be half Cody and

1269
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 2: half starterst. I hated the idea. I just couldn't get

1270
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 2: out of the blocks on it. So in the beginning

1271
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 2: I accepted the challenge and then at a certain point

1272
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 2: I got very lost, lost my gut instincts. This was

1273
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 2: all led to me leaving. So I'm so grateful for

1274
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 2: start Us, so grateful for the idea that I got

1275
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 2: to play be ridiculous. And also I was shielded. You

1276
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 2: know today I'm not shielded. I will if I was

1277
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,479
Speaker 2: to run to Anaheim right now to do raw, I'd

1278
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 2: come out just like this. That's who I am, that's

1279
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 2: my life. Everys been out in the open since I

1280
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 2: came back on. I lived my story just on television.

1281
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 2: For them that time was just ridiculous. You were able

1282
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 2: to be a character and have fun and be covered,

1283
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 2: be mass so that it had its benefits. But also,

1284
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: you know, I'm trying to relate it to to your

1285
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 2: world where you it was beneath me, it was beneath me,

1286
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 2: But then even me saying it was beneath me, that

1287
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 2: was beneath me. It was just this whole conundrum, this

1288
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 2: whole couldn't get out of the blox. And ultimately that's

1289
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 2: why I said see you bye.

1290
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: So it's almost like you left this kind of guy

1291
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: guy coming off the bench, and you came back as

1292
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: a superstar.

1293
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 2: Literally, I when I left and told people I'm gonna

1294
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 2: do something, I'm gonna make it. The amount of wonderful

1295
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 2: posts that are still out there that I love them

1296
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 2: for this that thought. No, not maybe a comeback, but

1297
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 2: not even close to what we've done. That's a beautiful thing.

1298
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 2: I mean, the highest I hate being inside baseball here,

1299
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 2: but the highest three matches in WW history in terms

1300
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 2: of your box office.

1301
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: Uh.

1302
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 2: The other name on the card was also start us.

1303
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 2: Basically that's a wild concept. Wild and I don't take

1304
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 2: it for granted, and I don't mean to be to

1305
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,959
Speaker 2: brag on it, but that is wild. And some fans

1306
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 2: I don't think can can even see past that, like

1307
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 2: this is we're putting it in on him.

1308
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: I guess you know, yeah, hey, it works all right.

1309
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: This is my other son who was your favorite wrestler

1310
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: that the work you got the chance to work with.

1311
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: Thus far ah Man.

1312
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 2: I changed my answer a lot, uh, just to be

1313
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 2: like almost manic in my interviews where they're like, this

1314
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 2: guy's full of shit. But I'll tell you one that's

1315
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 2: been like sticking out to me. A lot of I

1316
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 2: named a lot of the luminary figures like like mister

1317
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 2: Hayman and Michael Hayes. But wrestler in the ring that

1318
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 2: I really enjoy working with, I mean John obviously Jim,

1319
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 2: but I'm trying to think of something that I'll tell you.

1320
01:04:58,200 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 2: One that I learned a lot from in a very

1321
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 2: very short amount of time was Jake Roberts Jake to Stabs.

1322
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 2: I learned a lot from him in just a single

1323
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 2: promo and a single promo, I learned how a guy

1324
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 2: can basically cut your legs. But if you're strong enough

1325
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 2: as a character, you can stand to that. But if

1326
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,919
Speaker 2: you weren't, he was going to move past you. The

1327
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 2: real sign of what we do, the competition on who

1328
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 2: gets to the top, that's all very very real. Just

1329
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 2: the other parts of it are not. And I learned

1330
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 2: a great deal from working with him. I don't share

1331
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 2: that with him enough because it was just one night

1332
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 2: that we had this interview and I thought I just

1333
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 2: got a masterclass, and had I not had my feet

1334
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 2: planet in this ground, this guy would have just eaten

1335
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 2: me up and moved on. But he was one that

1336
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 2: I thought was really special.

1337
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: Shout out as an Carter you got got some good questions,

1338
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: good answers. All right, quick hitters, real quick name your

1339
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: wwe Mount Rushmore.

1340
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 2: That is not a quick hitter. That is like so hey,

1341
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 2: but I'll be I wonder if I can qualify it

1342
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 2: further because my Mount Rushmore. If anyone watches my series

1343
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 2: of interviews, they often think I just have told a

1344
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 2: different story each time. My Mount Rushmore. I think a

1345
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 2: lot of it has to do with so. I was

1346
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 2: talking with my buddy, who's another wrestler, this morning, and

1347
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 2: I was saying that your legacy a lot of times

1348
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 2: depends on your last chapter and not always your active chapter.

1349
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 2: Did you offer anything after you left? So I put

1350
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 2: my dad on Mount Rushmore because his final chapter in

1351
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 2: the business is hilarious. Half the next guys, including Roman

1352
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 2: and Seth, were under his tutelage. War Games is still

1353
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 2: a show that we do to this day. The Road's

1354
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 2: name is still on in the business and currently has

1355
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 2: the game's number one title. He just had an unreal

1356
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 2: from the grave chapter. He threw another jumper from you know,

1357
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 2: so he's on there Mount Rushmore Wise. I think the

1358
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 2: rock is on there Mount Rushmore Wise. He came back

1359
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 2: to a very tumultuous ww uh a year or so

1360
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 2: ago and decided, no, I'm not gonna deal with that.

1361
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 2: I'm in instead going to create a new character, even

1362
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 2: though I'm already one of the greatest characters ever, that

1363
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 2: being the Final Boss. And we've even we've just scratched

1364
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 2: the surface on the Final Boss, like there's something incredibly

1365
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 2: special there. So the rock is on my Mount Rushmore again,

1366
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 2: final you know chapters that you still are. I would

1367
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 2: put Triple H on there because he's put the entire

1368
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 2: ww on his back, and if the guy with the

1369
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 2: title or the girl with the title can't carry the load,

1370
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 2: he's there, even as a executive, carrying the load and

1371
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 2: looking to expand our industry. So then you've got all right,

1372
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 2: you got Dusty, you got Rock, you got Triple H.

1373
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 2: We got four heads. I found this out sadly on

1374
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 2: my bus the other day. There's not five on Mount Rushmore.

1375
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I want to.

1376
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: You know, you can throw too if you need to

1377
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: slide too more.

1378
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 2: No, now, I gosh, let's see. Oh he was just

1379
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 2: talking about him. We got to put the five knuckle shuckle.

1380
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 2: We gotta put John on there. Seeing on there because

1381
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 2: again last chapter. If you're a young wrestler and you

1382
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 2: go up to John at his final show in DC

1383
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 2: on Saturday Nights made them and say, hey, John, I

1384
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 2: want to be a wrestler. He's gonna give you thirty

1385
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 2: minutes plus of his time. That's just an insane bandwidth.

1386
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 2: Like my nephews walked up to them and they got

1387
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 2: the greatest lesson they've ever got in their life. And

1388
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 2: he didn't need to do that. Hello is good. You

1389
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 2: shook his hand, you know, move on, No man, He's

1390
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: just giving and he'll go down as the hardest working

1391
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:33,440
Speaker 2: superstar ever. So that's a great four headed mount Rushmore.

1392
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:34,600
Speaker 2: There's four heads.

1393
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: Give me a few matches that you feel like help

1394
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: shape your journey in career.

1395
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 2: My favorite match I used to grow up watching as

1396
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 2: a child. And if I ever get like whiskey drunk,

1397
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 2: who's ever with me? I'll be like, you gotta check

1398
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 2: this out? Is it's not even good? It's the best part.

1399
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 2: It's a clash of the champions. I think it's eighty

1400
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 2: eight and the Night Center in Miami. It's Tolly Blancher

1401
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 2: and Arn Anderson versus Dusty Rhods and Sting and why

1402
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 2: I always want them to watch his matches because Sting

1403
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 2: is starting to catch with the kids. You see if

1404
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 2: the kids have their face painted in the crowd. But

1405
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 2: it's Florida. Still, it's Miami. And when they tagged us

1406
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 2: the oh my gosh, and he knew it. So you

1407
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 2: can feel the sin to like not yet not, you

1408
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like this, it's and they they

1409
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 2: they that was the right thing to do though, because

1410
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 2: they were building Sting up, and that's the rub as

1411
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 2: we call it. So that one's incredibly special for me.

1412
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 2: I'm a hardcore believer in WrestleMania twelve, which is Brett

1413
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 2: Hart versus Sean Michaels an hour plus. You hear all

1414
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 2: these people today say it's not what it used to be.

1415
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 2: Not They wrestled for sixty minutes with no falls. So

1416
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 2: I'm a diehard Sean Michaels fan thinking he didn't win

1417
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 2: it again, he didn't win it again, and then you know,

1418
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 2: Gorilla comes out. They're gonna go fifteen extra minutes, they go,

1419
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 2: and he wins the championship and the boyhood dreams Sean

1420
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 2: Michaels becomes champ, legendary, legendary. I remember my dad watching

1421
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 2: me like sit right there watching it, and he knew

1422
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 2: he could out what they were running. He knew and

1423
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 2: he could see how excited I was. So that one

1424
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 2: shaped me greatly. And then my favorite match I was

1425
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 2: ever involved with is Wrestlmania thirty nine and so far

1426
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 2: against the Roman Reigns. Because stadiums, the sound goes up,

1427
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 2: so you can't always hear it until you watch it

1428
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 2: back on TV. But I felt like I literally could

1429
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 2: like feel everyone's heartbeat. I was just connected with them

1430
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 2: that night. Now almost get emotional thinking about it, because

1431
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 2: all this stuff that you talk about backstage, Oh they're

1432
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 2: gonna go like this and they're gonna do this, it's

1433
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 2: not always that when you get out there and man,

1434
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 2: it was there plus wow, and it just it just

1435
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 2: shaped me in a way that I thought. It was

1436
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 2: the first time in my entire career I had a

1437
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 2: complete match. I know that's a crazy concept because I

1438
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 2: was maybe thirty eight at the time, but that's when

1439
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 2: I had a complete match. I'm a slow, slow learner,

1440
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 2: and that was special to me.

1441
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,640
Speaker 1: Producer Nate was there. He's shaking his head over their

1442
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: sweat and just reminiscent there yeah, I took my dad.

1443
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were there both nights. No, just just rough

1444
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 2: night for a Cody family.

1445
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1446
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 2: Also they just set I sat in the rings. I

1447
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 2: didn't know what to go, where to go, and Roman

1448
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 2: and left. So there's just that sad shot of me

1449
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,759
Speaker 2: just on my butt, like I don't know. I'm grateful

1450
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 2: for it, but.

1451
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: Oh, tough night, tough night. The Paul brothers have made

1452
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 1: names for themselves from YouTube stars to one is boxing

1453
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: now he's won fighting Jamonte Davis, and then Logan in

1454
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: the WWE. What do you think about Logan and what

1455
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: he's been able to do so far.

1456
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 2: I kind of want to turn on Logan because every

1457
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 2: time I do an interview, you know how you do

1458
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 2: you and you have to know this with the with

1459
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 2: the pod going like it's going right now, basically you

1460
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 2: get mini canceled and uncanceled on a weekly basis. For

1461
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 2: something you say long form pod, you're gonna say something wrong.

1462
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 2: Logan has so many people who don't like him, and

1463
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 2: I think he's wonderful. He works super hard, he asked

1464
01:11:55,320 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 2: the right questions. He's big, jack strong, unbelievably athletic, like

1465
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: a little bit you know, arrogant. Sure, but you're in wrestling, man,

1466
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 2: like this is in a timid world. Get out there

1467
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 2: and get in there. But I always say that and

1468
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 2: people are like, So what I'll say now is I

1469
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 2: think Logan sucks. I think, with all that great, I

1470
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 2: think it sucks. I want Jake, you know, like, uh

1471
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 2: now they're those two are those two are sending the

1472
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 2: world on five Absolutely, And I feel like, even you know,

1473
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,600
Speaker 2: Dana White, I've heard kind of I've seen him on

1474
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 2: Logan's pod that there's a softening to them and not

1475
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 2: just a softening of oh they're okay guys, they're really

1476
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 2: smart businessmen.

1477
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1478
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 2: I'd like to know Jake a little bit more because

1479
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 2: I really enjoy Logan. And here's something I like about Logan.

1480
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 2: I hope he doesn't mind me sharing this. Logan doesn't

1481
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 2: need necessarily to listen to everybody. Anytime I've ever told

1482
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 2: them something about this and the match something, man, he's

1483
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 2: all yours spun and really taking it in. And maybe

1484
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:05,759
Speaker 2: those are just private combos, but that's how I know, Okay,

1485
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 2: he's he's going to go further. I think I think

1486
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 2: Logan's a huge part of ww moving forward.

1487
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: I do So last question, WW heading back to Las

1488
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:17,719
Speaker 1: Vegas for WrestleMania forty two. Last year was record setting?

1489
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:18,919
Speaker 1: What can fans expect?

1490
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 2: Well? Last year at a record setting WrestleMania in Allegiant Stadium,

1491
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 2: lovingly nicknamed the Death Star, I love me some Las Vegas.

1492
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 2: I lost. So we'll go right off the cuff and

1493
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,719
Speaker 2: say you're coming to WrestleMania forty two. I will not be losing.

1494
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: I will not. That's up.

1495
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 2: I will not. I will not be losing. I think

1496
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 2: wrestling fans got a huge kick out of Vegas if

1497
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 2: they'd never made the trip over and seen just how

1498
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 2: Vegas is done today. I think it will be the

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01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 2: best show ww's ever put on. There's a commercial it

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01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 2: might have aired by the time this pod makes it

1501
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 2: out there that really kind of spells out how much

1502
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 2: we want the fans to be part of this WrestleMania,

1503
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 2: especially with our on location experiences. But we did a

1504
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 2: wonderful job for two nights. This one will will top

1505
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 2: anything that WrestleMania forty one did, and very much looking

1506
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 2: forward to everyone coming over. The next WrestleMania we're doing

1507
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 2: is in Saudi Arabia the year after that, so there's

1508
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 2: also kind of this call to get here for this

1509
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 2: Vegas one because we're off, we're overseas for the next one.

1510
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 2: So I'm very much looking forward to one more go

1511
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 2: in Vegas and it's simple wrestleminga forty two. Cody Rhoads

1512
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 2: is not going to lose period this year. No gonna

1513
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 2: first successful defense, Cody.

1514
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time, Congratulations on all the success on

1515
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 1: end out of the Ring. Your legendary run is yet

1516
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 1: to be finalized. This is it's been a fun journey

1517
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: to watch and continued success and man, best of luck.

1518
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, thank you. I appreciate it.

1519
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: Man, I have a question. You've held the belt the

1520
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 1: whole time. Can I feel it? Yeah?

1521
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the one I always bring, the one

1522
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 2: that's actually from TV so it can get a little

1523
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 2: beat up. But what they used to do is they

1524
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 2: used to put your nameplate on it, but now they

1525
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 2: put they put your logo on. Okay, yeah, so you

1526
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 2: gotta have a good logo to really sell it real.

1527
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: Quick to everyone.

1528
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 2: Where they can find you at everywhere?

1529
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: Wait, everywhere? No where?

1530
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 2: Are the place you can find me at?

1531
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 1: Your show? YouTube?

1532
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 2: What do you want to talk about Thank you so much.

1533
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 2: Netflix for Monday Night Raw USA for Friday Night SmackDown,

1534
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 2: ESPN for all ww's major pls, and at Cody Rhoads

1535
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 2: on X at American Nightmare, Cody on Instagram, and I'll

1536
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 2: be there. I'm pretty active, get it. Thank you, appreciate it.

1537
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 1: Man, Thank you so much. Thank you. John Moran is

1538
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: in the headlines again after a bizarre postgame interview on

1539
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:46,520
Speaker 1: Friday night. He was suspended by the team for conduct

1540
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: detrimental to the team. Let's take a look at the clip.

1541
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 1: What went wrong for you today? A Jo? Do you

1542
01:15:56,360 --> 01:16:00,719
Speaker 1: feel like? I mean, it was anything you could do differently?

1543
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: I guess regards they had a whole spill to him.

1544
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 2: So from the outside and that outsaid may be wrong,

1545
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 2: but from outside it didn't look like you had your

1546
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 2: usual energy tonight. Okay, you feel like you should play more?

1547
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 2: Oh the coaching staff, what could have been done different

1548
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 2: get a different outcome other than actionally?

1549
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: Coaching staff?

1550
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 2: Uh, according to they don't probably don't play me.

1551
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 1: Honestly, that's what basically a message was happter. So it's cool.

1552
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 2: The coaching staff message was that cool, We're good. You

1553
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 2: didn't have anything physically wrong, just illness or anything.

1554
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:46,680
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm fine, all right. This is a very interesting

1555
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: I think cross roads are at with Jos's career and

1556
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a little time. I'm gonna run down

1557
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: some stuff for you guys right now. But you never

1558
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 1: want to speculate on what's going on behind the scenes.

1559
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: Could you never really know actually being a former player,

1560
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: But if I were to guess, this is a little

1561
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 1: bit of a power struggle with the new head coach,

1562
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 1: Thomas Cilia, first time NBA head coach, And I've played

1563
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: for some great coaches, and one thing I know that

1564
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: new coaches try to do is they have to establish

1565
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: themselves in the locker room. Obviously, Taylor Jenkins being gone,

1566
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 1: you know, he had a solid run there. There's a

1567
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 1: little bit of ups and downs with him in the

1568
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 1: locker room as well. But I think a new coach

1569
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:32,679
Speaker 1: has to set the foundation the presidents and earn guys

1570
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: respect and figure out how to do it because it's

1571
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 1: different these days. I know I've had coaches like Phil

1572
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: Jackson who would cuss Kobe's ass out so he can

1573
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: talk to everyone else as well. If he's going to

1574
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: do it to Kobe. That means he could do it

1575
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 1: to you. I know Stack has said that, you know,

1576
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: Pop would cuss out Tim, so he can do it

1577
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 1: to everyone else. So I think what this coach is

1578
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: trying to do is you Jaw as an example, being

1579
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,759
Speaker 1: the best player on the team, if he can attack

1580
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: him to possibly motivate him and help this team. That's

1581
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 1: probably I'm guessing where this coach was going. But that's

1582
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 1: still no excuse for the type of play the job.

1583
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: Let us see the other night. You know, obviously everyone

1584
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 1: has off nights eight points three for twelve, whatever that was.

1585
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 1: I don't care about that. That shit's gonna happen. But just

1586
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: the lack of effort, the lack of just not wanting

1587
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: to be out there, the lack of almost like, you know,

1588
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 1: you're wasting my time having me out here type energy,

1589
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 1: that's something from a star player you can't have. I

1590
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 1: think there's no excuse for that if you look at

1591
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: other star players. We would never let another star player

1592
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: slide like that, because no matter how messed up it

1593
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 1: may be, going between you and the coach, you and

1594
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 1: the team, what's going on in the locker room, your

1595
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 1: personal life, the stars have to be stars at all times.

1596
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: That's on both sides of the ball. I think John

1597
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 1: needs a fresh start, and we're going to take a

1598
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:53,679
Speaker 1: look at a timeline of kind of you know, what's

1599
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,599
Speaker 1: going on of lately. But I think before he needs it,

1600
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 1: before the fresh start happens, I think he really needs

1601
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,719
Speaker 1: to look at hisself the mirror, because we were ready

1602
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 1: to hand this guy the keys to the league just

1603
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 1: two and a half years ago. You know, someone who

1604
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: was having in twenty seven, eight and seven, twenty seven,

1605
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 1: seven and six around those numbers. One of the most

1606
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: electrifying players we've ever seen come on the scene, an

1607
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: All Star, so he was must watch TV, and year

1608
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: by year that's gone down. Some of it's become because

1609
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 1: of injury, which is which is only natural. Some of

1610
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: it is because of the off court shit and the

1611
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: one thing that we used to hear back in the days,

1612
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 1: you never want your off court bullshit to be louder

1613
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,680
Speaker 1: than what you're doing on the court. When Jab was

1614
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 1: at the top of his game, I'm not sure how

1615
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 1: things were going in the locker room or if he

1616
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 1: had tough, you know, situations within that organization because the

1617
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 1: play was doing so so the play was doing all

1618
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: the talking. But since then it's been just a decline

1619
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: in games played. He's played three hundred and thirteen out

1620
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 1: of four hundred, so it's about a sixty six sixty three.

1621
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: Clip hasn't played over sixty five games since his rookie season. Again,

1622
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: some of this is injury, some of this is suspension.

1623
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: Jock currently is at twenty one and seven shooting shooting

1624
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 1: percentage is at a career low. He's shooting fifteen percent

1625
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 1: from the three point line. Again, this guy came in

1626
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: the game electrified, and I think the one knock that

1627
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 1: everyone had is how long will he be able to

1628
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: play at this level at the rim. He's gone from

1629
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 1: nearly shooting fifty percent at the rim to this season

1630
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 1: only twenty eight. Again, that ground is hard, you get

1631
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 1: fouled injuries, your body is a little different. And we

1632
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 1: live in a game today where guys are making a

1633
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 1: living shooting. And Joe was able to break the mold

1634
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: because he didn't have to be forced to shoot. But

1635
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 1: if he's not able to get to the rim at

1636
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: will like he used to, his game is going to

1637
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 1: have to develop. So I say all that to say,

1638
01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean I think he's still great. I think he

1639
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 1: has a lot of great miles left. But I also

1640
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: think he needs to look at yourself in the mirror,

1641
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 1: because I think he's let the outside noise distract and

1642
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 1: and be louder than what's on the court. So we're

1643
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 1: gonna go a little jog down memory lane and give

1644
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: you And this is not to bring up old ship

1645
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 1: or anything, but but my point is is just how

1646
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 1: he came in and took the world by storm and

1647
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: where he currently sits at right now on a three

1648
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: and four basketball team and a lost team that has

1649
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 1: no direction. It doesn't look like it has very much leadership.

1650
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 1: And that's that. That was what you think Jaw at

1651
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: this point in his career, what's this year seven? Form

1652
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 1: year seven? You think year seven, that's where he would

1653
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 1: be on all fronts.

1654
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 2: Six years old? Like where you stand in the.

1655
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 1: League that your career? Yeah, well, I mean I think

1656
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: you're you're you're heading to your prime athletic proless in

1657
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 1: your twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine thirties. But more

1658
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 1: this is the time where you know, year seven, where

1659
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 1: the game should have already started to slow down for

1660
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 1: you and you're able to manipulate the game and understand

1661
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 1: the game and understand, Yeah, we don't need him to

1662
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: be a lockdown defender, but we need him to play

1663
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: the passing lings like Alan Iverson. We need him to

1664
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: work on his game and not be someone who's picked

1665
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: on like Steph was picked on early on, and Steph

1666
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: took that shit personal. And again, Steph's not a great defender,

1667
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 1: but he's not a weak link anymore. And I think

1668
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 1: that's what they need from Jah is to be this

1669
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 1: twenty six you know, you look at it Aunt Edwards,

1670
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 1: who's not that much with the same How old are

1671
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: they close to age? Right? Yeah, you know there's not

1672
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: a but you know obviously, And I think to another

1673
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: issue with this younger generation is is they didn't and

1674
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 1: this is not all of them, but not a lot

1675
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 1: of them had a lot of like real og vets

1676
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 1: that could tell him anything and kind of guide them

1677
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 1: and help them steer this ship. Not from a superstar perspective,

1678
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 1: but just as a player as you continue to get

1679
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: older perspective. But anyway, let's take a look at this journey.

1680
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 1: Number two overall pick in the twenty nineteen draft brings

1681
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 1: electricity to Memphis. Memphis was much watch basketball. Josh rookie

1682
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 1: year he obviously took home the Rookie of the Year.

1683
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:12,799
Speaker 1: Year two, the Grizzlies make the playoffs. He averages thirty

1684
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,839
Speaker 1: points in a first round loss, so it's obviously showing

1685
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 1: growth and potential and he still must watch TV at

1686
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 1: this point. Year three, breakout year, All Star, Starter one

1687
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 1: most improved, averaging twenty seven, seven and six, takes his

1688
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: team to the Conference. Simmis unfortunately hurts his knee, misses

1689
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 1: the last three games and that's kind of the end

1690
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 1: of their run. They lose in six to the Warriors.

1691
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: The year the Warriors go on to win a championship.

1692
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: So we're sitting right now, year three, I think we're ready,

1693
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: Like he's one of these people that we're talking about

1694
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 1: if we were rind And remember, you know, Brown's on

1695
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:56,919
Speaker 1: the backside, Steps on the backside, Kd's on the backside.

1696
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 1: Who is going to be one of the faces or

1697
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 1: the face of the league. And this is when people

1698
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 1: are starting to stay like that boy out in Memphis,

1699
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: Jaw is gonna be at least one of them, if

1700
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:10,719
Speaker 1: not the one. He's the rising star signs his Nike

1701
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 1: deal and there was rumors I don't know if you

1702
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: guys heard this, but there was rumors that Nike was

1703
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: gonna bring their version of Little pennyback for Jaw. They

1704
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: were gonna bring Little Jaw, which would have been absolutely incredible.

1705
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: You know. I think Penny hinted. Penny hinted hinted that

1706
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 1: when we had him on What's Burning at one point,

1707
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: so there was talks about him possibly having a little

1708
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 1: job which would have took the game to another level.

1709
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 1: He's currently sitting on his third signature model of his shoe,

1710
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: And how I measure success on kids shoes is how

1711
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: much I see him at AU tournaments and who's wearing them,

1712
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 1: because that means they're being bought. I remember someone I

1713
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 1: used to see all the time was the Kyrie shoe.

1714
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,839
Speaker 1: He was always at tournaments. Obviously, Kobe shoes are at tournaments,

1715
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 1: but Jos shoe was in heavy row, so you know

1716
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 1: it was working at one point. Let's take a look

1717
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:08,719
Speaker 1: at twenty twenty two. This is the off season after

1718
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 1: he's hurt. He hurts his knee right twenty twenty two. Allegedly,

1719
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 1: some things happen at foot locker. Later on, there's an

1720
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,679
Speaker 1: incident I think at his house with a younger kid,

1721
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 1: and despite all that, he's still able to kind of

1722
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 1: move past that, because obviously, when you're playing at a

1723
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 1: certain level, things are overlooked. He signs to Max deal

1724
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: five year, one ninety three, something that changed him and

1725
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 1: his family's life forever. The twenty twenty three season, Josh

1726
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 1: stays in the headlines. January, there's an incident in Indiana

1727
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: with some friends in a light. This was also, you know,

1728
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: obviously that stemmed over from some on the court shit

1729
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:53,440
Speaker 1: that happened at the game twenty twenty three, the unfortunate

1730
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 1: flashing a gun. This is when we're talking about people

1731
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 1: telling on themselves. I think, right, I think this was

1732
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 1: the whole thing where, you know, he flash of something.

1733
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,719
Speaker 1: The league suspends him for eight games. Up until this point,

1734
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 1: he's still killing though, so the headlines are starting to

1735
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 1: get a little louder, but his game is just as loud,

1736
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: so it's allowed to continue. At this point, he's at

1737
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 1: twenty seven, eight and six, and they were thirty four

1738
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 1: and nineteen in the Western Conference. The twenty thirty three playoffs,

1739
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:25,679
Speaker 1: Grizzlies losing six to the Lakers in round one, which

1740
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 1: will put him you know, obviously finishes their season. May

1741
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, another gun incident on Instagram Live. I

1742
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 1: think is Homie caught it. And at this point, you know,

1743
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 1: this is when people are starting to make fun of

1744
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:43,799
Speaker 1: him and almost disrespecting him because one time's a mistake,

1745
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 1: two times is what you know. So again he's incriminating hisself.

1746
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 1: And again I don't even want to bring up all

1747
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: this old ship, but my point of bringing it up

1748
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: is to make you guys understand how the game has

1749
01:26:56,439 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 1: suffered since all this off the court shit has started

1750
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 1: to make more noise than me on the court shit.

1751
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 1: So he suspended. Second time around, he suspended the beginning

1752
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 1: of the next season. Is at the twenty twenty three,

1753
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:13,759
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Missus twenty five games, we're thinking, like, hey,

1754
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:15,560
Speaker 1: you know this is I think this is going to

1755
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: wake him up, and from all aspects you think about it, did.

1756
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:22,679
Speaker 1: He came in in those nine games, played nine games

1757
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 1: and was at twenty five, eight and six, and then

1758
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:29,639
Speaker 1: he tears his labram, which ends his season. This past

1759
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 1: season only is able to play fifty games twenty three

1760
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:35,560
Speaker 1: and seven, So the numbers of starting to dip a

1761
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 1: little bit. They're swept out of the playoffs, and now

1762
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 1: we're sitting here with a new coach who is trying

1763
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,719
Speaker 1: to figure out, how do I get through this team?

1764
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 1: Can I go through the superstar to do it? I

1765
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 1: think you can tell by his energy and the way

1766
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 1: he handled that situation. Again, we don't want to speculate

1767
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,799
Speaker 1: it could be some real bullshit going on behind the scenes,

1768
01:27:56,240 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: but still as the star player to handle it a

1769
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 1: better way. So we're sitting here with a team that's

1770
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:05,599
Speaker 1: under five hundred, and it takes me back to one

1771
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:10,799
Speaker 1: of my original statements. I think he needs a fresh start.

1772
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 1: I think he's outgrown Memphis from a standpoint of He's

1773
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 1: done a lot of shit there on and off the court,

1774
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:19,680
Speaker 1: good and bad. And you know, I think it's a

1775
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 1: good time for, you know, for them to kind of

1776
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 1: press the reset button as a team. You know, I

1777
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 1: think they got some good young talent. Obviously Jaron Jackson

1778
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 1: is still there. I mean it's a situation where do

1779
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 1: they try to clean house and try to rebuild with youth.

1780
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: Because if you look at this team as with Jah

1781
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 1: leading them and Jared is this co pilot, I don't

1782
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 1: see the light at the end of the tunnel respectfully,

1783
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 1: especially in a tough Western conference. You know, obviously Sham's

1784
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 1: reported there's tension, you know, over the last few days

1785
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 1: with the head coach who Nate butchered his name and jaw.

1786
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 1: And again I think, if I'm looking at this thing,

1787
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say it one more time, I think

1788
01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 1: it's this head coach trying to figure out who can

1789
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 1: I go through to get through to the team. And

1790
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 1: normally you can use the best player as an example

1791
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: to talk to the rest of the team, but that

1792
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 1: hasn't worked. So again, we are now here. Let's think

1793
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 1: about a possible few places he can land. Let's keep

1794
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:18,479
Speaker 1: in mind he's under contract until twenty twenty eight, making

1795
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 1: forty million, which is a lot of money, but with

1796
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: today's deals, that doesn't make him unmovable or untradeable. You

1797
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 1: can still move around and play with that and make

1798
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:30,600
Speaker 1: a trade like that work. So we're gonna give you

1799
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:35,599
Speaker 1: a few scenarios. You know, Houston is looking for a guard.

1800
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: John can definitely fill that role, which would be scary.

1801
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 1: You know, they could send someone like a shepherd east

1802
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 1: end of van Fleet. They have Phoenix's first round pick

1803
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty seven, So Houston could be a potential spot. Minnesota,

1804
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: you know they can throw a Nas Reed, a Devincenzo,

1805
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 1: possibly a Rob Dillingham who hasn't really got an opportunity yet.

1806
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 1: Terrence Shannon Nas can't be traded un till January because

1807
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 1: he just had an extension. But Minnesota is another destination

1808
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 1: and Jah, holy shit, would be scary. Phoenix, interesting situation. Obviously,

1809
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,680
Speaker 1: there would be a package, probably around Jalen Green. You

1810
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 1: know they're not giving up Devin Booker, but can Devin

1811
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 1: Booker and Jaw play alongside each other? Great city, I

1812
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 1: think management needs to tighten up and get a little

1813
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 1: bit better. But a great city to play for, a

1814
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 1: great fan base, and obviously Devin Booker one of the

1815
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 1: most solid players in the game. And then last, but

1816
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:32,680
Speaker 1: not least, you know that we're thinking Miami. You know,

1817
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 1: you can build something around Tyler Hero getting a fresh

1818
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 1: start in South Beach could be good for some. That'd

1819
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 1: be a big responsibility for Jah to be out of

1820
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:44,759
Speaker 1: South Beach to get his fresh start, and possibly Brooklyn.

1821
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 1: Brooklyn has assets. They're looking for a star, you know,

1822
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 1: after they lost Kde and Kyrie and Harden, they've been

1823
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 1: looking for a new direction. So Brooklyn can be that

1824
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:01,639
Speaker 1: big New York stage, but not necessarily the nixt kind

1825
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 1: of scrutiny and and and eyeballs where Jock can flourish there, Uh,

1826
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 1: Nate the producer, it makes a good point, I think,

1827
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 1: you know, because we also mentioned, you know, we were

1828
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 1: talking in our pregame conversation who else can use a

1829
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 1: new start, And obviously Trey Young's name came up to me,

1830
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 1: Zion came up to me. But producer Nate said, tray

1831
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 1: for Jaw and both get a fresh reset. And my

1832
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 1: thing to that is, obviously that's a fresh reset, But

1833
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 1: I don't think that trade makes either team better, you know,

1834
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, you know, so I think,

1835
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 1: you know, them go into situations where they can thrive

1836
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 1: and and be a piece of something big would be interesting.

1837
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: So we'll see again. The one thing I would would

1838
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:41,599
Speaker 1: say to John, because I'm a huge fan of him,

1839
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 1: Pops looked out for us this summer out in Memphis.

1840
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 1: We kicked it and he opened the gym for us.

1841
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:50,719
Speaker 1: And and so I mean, I love Jaw, but also

1842
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:54,760
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, sometimes in our position, we need

1843
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 1: to have some way of constructive criticism that hopefully gets

1844
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 1: through to the younger player that's not looking to just hate.

1845
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,120
Speaker 1: You know, him and Perk just went back and forth.

1846
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:05,439
Speaker 1: He saw that shit, and that's not the position I'm

1847
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:09,639
Speaker 1: trying to come in. My position is just incredibly talented. Bro.

1848
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 1: The sky is still the limit for you, But to me,

1849
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: it's less about what's going on around you and more

1850
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 1: about what's going on within you and being able to

1851
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,720
Speaker 1: tighten up and killing the shit off the court. There

1852
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 1: can be no more off the court bullshit, locker room distractions.

1853
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 1: You just got to go out there and be a killer.

1854
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 1: And again you're still very capable of doing that, but

1855
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 1: that's going to come with hard work. Bro. You know,

1856
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:36,799
Speaker 1: your game has to improve, especially as you get older.

1857
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 1: That ground gets harder and you're not an acrobaty. You

1858
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 1: can't be an acrobat and dunk on everybody and hit

1859
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 1: the ground that many times. So you know, obviously the

1860
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 1: game has to steadily improve. But then also I think

1861
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 1: the mental mindset of being a twenty six year old

1862
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 1: superstar more of a leader, more of you know, the

1863
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:55,760
Speaker 1: guy the team can rally around, because when things were

1864
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 1: going good, you were that guy. I definitely think a

1865
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 1: new start would help this situation, but I think before

1866
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 1: it goes anywhere, you know, you got to look at

1867
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 1: yourself in the mirror, bro and really remember why you're

1868
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 1: doing this and lock back in because you are one

1869
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,759
Speaker 1: of the greatest players in this game and this should

1870
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:14,440
Speaker 1: go by fast. Man. If you don't capitalize on that.

1871
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 2: At a superstar player, brand new head coach, how much?

1872
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:30,599
Speaker 2: So long because we didn't hear about coaching issues And.

1873
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I get I think this is just

1874
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 1: a new coach trying to find his way. And for years, again,

1875
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 1: as I said earlier, coaches have gone at the best

1876
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 1: player to be able to go with everyone else. Now

1877
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's exactly what he's doing or not.

1878
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm thinking he's probably trying to challenge him and he's

1879
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 1: just not pressing the right buttons. And to your point,

1880
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 1: Jock could be like I've been here, like what the

1881
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 1: fuck are you talking about? You know, and that's still

1882
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:55,480
Speaker 1: not the right approach to take. And again I'm speculating.

1883
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what Josh said or done, but my thing,

1884
01:33:58,240 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 1: as the best player on the team, you don't always

1885
01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 1: have to be the leader, but you can't be an

1886
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 1: example of bullshit, and you know, he showed bullshit in

1887
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 1: that last game, so that's something that could never happen

1888
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 1: as someone in his position. So I hope he's able

1889
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: to figure it out again. He's one of my favorite players.

1890
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 1: He's one of the best players we have in this game,

1891
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 1: and I think he needs to go out there and

1892
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 1: reclaim that and all that shit starts between his ears

1893
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: the World Series too. Remember incredible, incredible, incredible Dodgers come

1894
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,680
Speaker 1: through and get back to back titles. Shout out to

1895
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 1: my Dodger people, Mookie and Line and Magic. Magic said

1896
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:38,679
Speaker 1: he's eighteen won eighteen championships, winners, win, Shout out to Magic.

1897
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 1: I think one of the best World Series we've seen

1898
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: in a long time. Disclaimer, I didn't get to watch

1899
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: all Game seven. I had to go support somebody at

1900
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 1: an event. But trust me, I almost got kicked out

1901
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 1: of the venue for having my phone on because I

1902
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:53,600
Speaker 1: was at a comedy show and they were trying to

1903
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 1: tell me, oh, you can't. It's like, I don't give

1904
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 1: a fuck what you're saying. I'm gonna watch this game

1905
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 1: on my phone. And then the dude win away and

1906
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 1: got someone and the next thing.

1907
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:01,560
Speaker 2: I know.

1908
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 1: They tapped me on the shoulder. Mister Barnes, you're okay,

1909
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:05,599
Speaker 1: you can finish watching the game. So I told him

1910
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 1: you got to throw me out. You and a motherfucking army.

1911
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:08,599
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to throw me out of the comedy

1912
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 1: show if you thought I wasn't gonna watch. I say

1913
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 1: all that to say I heard I missed an incredible

1914
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:16,799
Speaker 1: game seven. You know we have a slide right here

1915
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 1: of literally a slide in how close the Blue Jays

1916
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 1: were to winning this. I was talking shit with some friends,

1917
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:25,439
Speaker 1: some ladies that are helping me with the golf tournament.

1918
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 1: They're Canadians, and there was just a big time shit

1919
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 1: talking about of the whole time. But I will say,

1920
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean Toronto played their asses off. I think no

1921
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 1: one gave them the chance that they went out there

1922
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 1: and earned. I think they could have finished it in

1923
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: game six. I think a lot of base running errors

1924
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:44,240
Speaker 1: and then obviously bottom of the ninth, second and third

1925
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 1: no outs and you can't score. That's when you're fucking

1926
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 1: with the baseball guys right there, Toronto, that he's trying

1927
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 1: to hand you something. The guys are trying to hand

1928
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 1: you something, and you pop out and then you hit

1929
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 1: into a double play in left field, which was an

1930
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 1: incredible play. And then Game seven, back and forth, Otani

1931
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 1: got out there and they took his head off off

1932
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 1: the mound. But shout out to him, man, just as

1933
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:08,680
Speaker 1: much as he was doing and trying to do for

1934
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 1: that team was incredible. You know, our guy Mookie, the

1935
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:13,559
Speaker 1: fend of the program didn't hit very well. You know.

1936
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:15,640
Speaker 1: I had some conversation with him during it, and I

1937
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:17,519
Speaker 1: can only imagine how in his head he was. But

1938
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 1: he had a huge hit in game three, or excuse me,

1939
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 1: in Game six that that helped them get the victory.

1940
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 1: That's his fourth and three with the Dodgers. Four rings.

1941
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:33,640
Speaker 1: Shout out most, shout out most of any And I

1942
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 1: like what Derek Jeter said too, because I mean, I

1943
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 1: think obviously as athletes, we expect the absolute best for ourselves.

1944
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:41,599
Speaker 1: When he was really hard on usself in the post game,

1945
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 1: I think it was Game six, wasn't it where he

1946
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:44,920
Speaker 1: was really hard said he was playing man, And Derek,

1947
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 1: You're like, nah, man, you've been playing some great shortstop

1948
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be instrumental, you know, moving forward. So

1949
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:53,639
Speaker 1: it's always good to hear ogs, you know, give these

1950
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 1: guys grace and hopefully give them the mental confidence they

1951
01:36:55,880 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 1: need to get over. But was it, you know, the

1952
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 1: bat wasn't his live like we're accustoming like I'm sure

1953
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 1: he was accustomed to, but there was still things he

1954
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 1: did to win. Yamamoto was absolutely incredible. He was five

1955
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 1: and one then the playoffs with a one point four

1956
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 1: to five e r A two complete games came out

1957
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:21,479
Speaker 1: and closed game seven and he won three games in

1958
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 1: the World Series, which is absolutely amazing. I don't know,

1959
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 1: if you guys got a chance to see it, we'll

1960
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:27,879
Speaker 1: put it up. But they found his how he trains

1961
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:30,719
Speaker 1: and how he trains without weights, and he's thrown these

1962
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:33,719
Speaker 1: like it looks like style froam rockets and and long

1963
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 1: toss and this human fucking crab work just absolutely incredible.

1964
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 1: His flexibility, his focus, the way he got hisself to

1965
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:46,439
Speaker 1: the point he was and able to be so big,

1966
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, for the for the Dodgers. But right now

1967
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,680
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, in obviously social media world is

1968
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:53,720
Speaker 1: not a real world. Some of you think it is,

1969
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:56,000
Speaker 1: but it's not a real world. But people are having

1970
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 1: a hard time with you know, Dodgers, what they have

1971
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 1: going on. I mean, they'remitted over a billion dollars to

1972
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 1: Yamamoto uh and and Otani uh and I think they're

1973
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 1: worth every penny and more. But you look at it

1974
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:10,800
Speaker 1: in something and I'm mad I didn't say that. I

1975
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 1: saw a post maybe like a month ago, saying that,

1976
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 1: you know, all the guys that the Dodgers are able

1977
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 1: to go out and get had opportunities to stay with

1978
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:19,800
Speaker 1: their teams, but their teams didn't want to pay them,

1979
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:23,440
Speaker 1: and the Dodgers wanted to pay them. So three rings

1980
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 1: in six years, you know, back to back champs. Alex

1981
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 1: Rodriguez himself said that they have the best farm system

1982
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 1: as far as pitching and hitting, So it doesn't look

1983
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 1: like that they're going to be short of of youthful talent.

1984
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 1: You know, they're not afraid to spend money. Does this

1985
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 1: kind of dominance that I don't know enough about baseball

1986
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 1: the inner workings to really know, but is this kind

1987
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 1: of this kind of domination and and and willing to

1988
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:52,800
Speaker 1: just go out and pay whatever? Does this car Does

1989
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 1: this bode well for the rest of the league? Is

1990
01:38:55,800 --> 01:39:00,360
Speaker 1: this looming, you know, a stoppage there's no talent, but

1991
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 1: everyone else you guys better figure it out. Dynasties. You

1992
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 1: think about this team obviously, back to back champills the

1993
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 1: first time since win the early okay, I say late nineties,

1994
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 1: early two thousand, so first time in nearly twenty five years,

1995
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:17,400
Speaker 1: and we all know what they were on at that time.

1996
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:19,760
Speaker 1: They were you know, they were doing a version of this.

1997
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,799
Speaker 1: You know, they were going out and getting the best players.

1998
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 1: So really interesting to see where this team goes from here.

1999
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:30,120
Speaker 1: They got their stars locked in uh pitching. I'm sure

2000
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:32,599
Speaker 1: they're going to find some amazing prospects and grab another

2001
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,720
Speaker 1: all star caliber player in the off season. But this

2002
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:39,400
Speaker 1: is one of the best teams we've seen in a while,

2003
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 1: and I'm happy for him. Man, definitely happy for Mook

2004
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 1: four rings. Lon Roser, the you know, the friend of

2005
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:49,719
Speaker 1: the program, he's the homie. I'm happy for him. Magic obviously,

2006
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:53,719
Speaker 1: magic is magic making magic things happen. So congratulations again

2007
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 1: to the Dodgers. And remember, you guys can conversate with me,

2008
01:39:58,439 --> 01:40:02,160
Speaker 1: have me answer your questions the hotline. Make sure you

2009
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 1: hit the hot line two seventy nine call A T S.

2010
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:09,559
Speaker 1: That's two seventy nine c A L L A T S.

2011
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:11,920
Speaker 1: Hope to be here from you soon. Do we have

2012
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:19,960
Speaker 1: anything to hear from this time or no? Okay, This

2013
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:23,559
Speaker 1: Pick six segment is presented by DraftKings. The sixers will

2014
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,360
Speaker 1: take on the Bulls on Tuesday, who are playing really well.

2015
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:31,320
Speaker 1: I think VJ. Edgecombe will have more points than when

2016
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:35,360
Speaker 1: Draft Kings Pick six has them at and Tuesday night

2017
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:40,120
Speaker 1: we have SGA, the reigning MVP and the champion Oklahoma

2018
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:44,960
Speaker 1: City Thunder taking on the Los Angeles Clippers, who have

2019
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:46,960
Speaker 1: some defense, but it's still in the season so they

2020
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:48,599
Speaker 1: probably not going to bring it out, so I think

2021
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 1: SGA will have more than the Draftking Pick six has

2022
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:54,840
Speaker 1: him slated for. That's a rap for unplug. You can

2023
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 1: catch us on all the Smoke Productions YouTube and the

2024
01:40:57,200 --> 01:41:06,960
Speaker 1: Draft Kings Network. We'll see you guys next week.