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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: Supremo, Rollbrivo Supremo, Roll Call, Suprema Supremo, Roll Call Suprivo

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Speaker 2: roll Yo.

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Speaker 3: Is the season?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like I sheared the light.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a good reason yeah to talk about

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Speaker 3: that site.

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Speaker 2: Supreval Suprema.

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Speaker 5: Roll Call.

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Speaker 6: My name is Sugar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Is this thing on? Yeah, this took so long to start. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: my buzz is gone.

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Speaker 2: Supprivo Rollbriva Sprevo roll.

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Speaker 3: I'm unpaid bill.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and lordy lord, let's talk about Yeah and okay

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Speaker 7: player boys Suprema so Suprema, Spriva.

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Speaker 8: Sopri It's like yeah, oh my god, Yeah, yeah, okay

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Speaker 8: made us.

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Speaker 3: Suppriva Suprema.

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Speaker 4: My name is Nick Yeah, and I'm a cancer. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm good at music, not much of a dancer.

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Speaker 8: Supppreval roll Suprema Supremo Role called.

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Speaker 3: My name is Fante. Yeah, and I won't be boring.

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Speaker 3: Yeah and him had exchange.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm whipping a form ship.

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Speaker 9: Suppriva Role suprem Subprima, Oh call.

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Speaker 3: Subprim Wow, we did it. Like no, it is a

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Speaker 3: Japanese exactly. I mean it's technically a forum, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: yeah it ain't Germany.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't wait what what what kind of car you

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Speaker 3: got Alexis?

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Speaker 8: Oh god, yeah yeah it isten't.

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Speaker 3: Me great gas mileage? Toyotas are the best? Yeah, man,

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Speaker 3: you right it think? Hey, I just got my sign.

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Speaker 1: I'll fixed. I'm still hanging on what it is the

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Speaker 1: twentieth anniversary of me getting my drivers like this?

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Speaker 9: What's funnier the Quest Love and the Scion?

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Speaker 3: Not much? I don't know.

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Speaker 9: I don't know the answer, Like, am.

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Speaker 1: I driving a classic car now that I've been driving

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Speaker 1: the sign for twenty years?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Don't even make that car?

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Speaker 2: You don't?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think.

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Speaker 3: So how do you get it serviced? So the guy

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Speaker 3: that drives me around now he has a hook up

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Speaker 3: in the heights where they got thing. Yeah, there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of garages up there in the heights. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: uh yeah, shop shops understood.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say that I'm good for at least maybe

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Speaker 1: nine rounds of kneeding batteries.

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Speaker 3: And this is a hell of a way to start

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Speaker 3: this episode. We are live in New York. Well, we're

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Speaker 3: not live. We're in New York City. We're in person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good to shout out to take a little for

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Speaker 1: getting up early this morning. And I hear that you

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Speaker 1: say that you did not get sleep.

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Speaker 3: Not really, we didn't.

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Speaker 8: We didn't really we had uh yeah, I got in

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Speaker 8: this morning. Yeah, we had a movie that he scored.

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Speaker 8: We had that yesterday. That was it Full Frame Documentary,

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Speaker 8: Full Frame Festival. So that was like all day yesterday,

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Speaker 8: and then we rolled out six this morning, got here

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's been up ever.

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Speaker 1: Since, well since Fonte already assisted us on that, we

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Speaker 1: to define what okay Player was.

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Speaker 1: be alive hashtag man, I would say that probably okay

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Speaker 1: Player is one of those moments in which I think

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Speaker 1: everything that I intended it for that site to be

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Speaker 1: it is that we make music and how we stretch.

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Speaker 1: You know, before Okay Player, like I lived at a

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Speaker 3: Nothing else, So that's a welcome.

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Speaker 3: It's weird, I know, the legend of foreign exchange.

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Speaker 1: Maybe if you guys aren't familiar with that legendary episode.

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Speaker 1: even though it was a lot of inside baseball Nikolay.

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Speaker 3: What is your first musical memory?

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Speaker 4: My first musical memory is hearing Secret Life of Plans

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Speaker 4: by Stevie Wonder. I credit a lot of my musical

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Speaker 4: have a distinct memory of being I must have been

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Speaker 4: five or six years old and feeling the braille on

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Speaker 4: the cover of Secret Life and Plants while taking in

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Speaker 4: the sounds, and I think, looking back, the synthesizer pioneering

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Speaker 4: that must be one of the first, if not the first,

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Speaker 3: To my mom for that. How old were you in

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Speaker 3: nineteen seventy nine, I was five years old. That's so crazy.

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Speaker 3: Me all right.

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Speaker 1: So just to give our listeners just a little backstory,

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Speaker 1: because I had the opposite experience that you had, even

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Speaker 1: like when the classic hip hop records came out and

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Speaker 1: we discussed it on an OK player and then it

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Speaker 1: songs in the Key of Life came out September of

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Speaker 3: And that was also the first day of school for me.

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Speaker 1: But for me, any albums that were rejected by like

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Speaker 1: like besides, I would dismiss my dad's thing, like him

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Speaker 1: shit talking about Stevie lost it. I'm so disappointed. Was

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Speaker 1: Pitchfork, oh okay, there was an energy shift between he

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Speaker 1: But just until like maybe three years ago, I truly

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Speaker 1: none of that stuff, like I'm just I now make

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Speaker 1: art because like I want to make beautiful art and

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Speaker 1: not like, oh this will keep our rating high or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't realize how much of a beating he

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Speaker 1: took for that record. Me neither, and in fact, like

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Speaker 1: I weighed everything that I heard by Stevie after that.

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Speaker 1: I compared it too secret life and it didn't always

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Speaker 1: live up to me. But because of like and I think,

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Speaker 1: like we could talk about this later, but like my

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Speaker 1: love for synthesizer pioneering, what what Stevie was doing with

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Speaker 1: the with the c S eighty on that record, Like

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Speaker 1: I think it's looking back, it's clear why the larger

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Speaker 1: public didn't really get it, but for the nerds, if

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Speaker 1: you will, like it checked all the boxes because he

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Speaker 1: was going further, and but I still think it had

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Speaker 1: like come back as a flower is up there for me,

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Speaker 1: Flowers for me, that black work.

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Speaker 8: That's the only record I can think of that Stevie

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Speaker 8: singing falsetto win. I can't think of no other song.

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Speaker 6: That's good.

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Speaker 8: He's not right, Yeah, he's not right. Yeah, I've never

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Speaker 3: Like water for chocolate, which was a.

443
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 4: And I don't think I realized that if In fact,

444
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 4: I felt kind of isolated over there, specifically musically, because

445
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 4: what I liked was in my group of people perceived

446
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 4: as American.

447
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 3: Okay, not even my sound.

448
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 4: When I first started making music. A lot of people

449
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 4: over there felt it was kind of slick and a

450
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 4: little American, and I didn't realize at all later like, now,

451
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 4: what you're saying makes perfect sense, But for me at

452
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 4: the time, it was an American thing, and it I

453
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 4: think subconsciously realized that if I wanted to make music

454
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 4: like that, I needed to connect with Americans.

455
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 3: That's weird.

456
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 1: So the slur word over there is it sounds America,

457
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: whereas that same type of music here, I think they

458
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: would just say, like, oh, that's soft, you know, yes, smooth, emotional.

459
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

460
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 4: Over there, like the type of hip hop that exists

461
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 4: there natively is more abstract, you know, it's not necessarily

462
00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 4: purely musical per se, but it's very aggressive and lot

463
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 4: of it is local language based.

464
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 3: At this point, who was the biggest local artist that

465
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 3: had the biggest poll over there, That's a great question.

466
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 4: I didn't really listen to any of it because, like

467
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of them were Dutch language artists,

468
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 4: and I never thought that sounded very good and that

469
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 4: was probably a little snobbish of me, but I really liked.

470
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: Was everyone trying to be like DJ Premiere or.

471
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 4: Like even even more abstract, just not really any people,

472
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 4: maybe like Company Flow or some stuff like real Deaf Jus.

473
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 4: Not definitely not what I did. Definitely not with like

474
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 4: chord progressions or like baselines that fit the.

475
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: Key or let me let me, let me just let

476
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: me clean it up. I'm a massive fan like cannibal Ox,

477
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: like the first generation.

478
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 4: I didn't mean that as I meant that more style.

479
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 3: There's always one troll that's going to be like no, no, no.

480
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 4: I definitely didn't mean that.

481
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 3: I don't want to Detroit singer effect.

482
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 9: To myself.

483
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 4: Now, I guess I mean it more as a style

484
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 4: that is more marked by a certain level of expression

485
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 4: versus like again, like when I heard like Water for

486
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 4: Chocolate like production Wise, or when I first heard Fantastic

487
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 4: Volume two, or even when I later heard Things Fall Apart,

488
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 4: which was a little bit later for me, or Voodoo.

489
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 4: Those were the albums that made me realize like, Okay,

490
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 4: so you can make hip hop and make it beautiful

491
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 4: versus you have to make hip hop that is aggressive.

492
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 4: Not that there wasn't you know what I'm saying, but

493
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 4: like it was for me a realization because when I

494
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 4: first came into contact with hip hop I had a

495
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 4: very naive understanding of like, there's a guy with turntables

496
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 4: who is making the beats, for instance, Tribe Cold Quest.

497
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 4: That's how I sort of saw it.

498
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 3: You know, you have.

499
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 4: It's making the beats with the vinyl. And it wasn't

500
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 4: until later that I not, like, Okay, there's actually people

501
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 4: doing this that that are more musical inclined. And so

502
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 4: that was for me sort of like really kind of

503
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 4: the eye opener of like, Okay, I understand now that

504
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 4: there's something that I could contribute to this music.

505
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: This is real important for me to hear that, because

506
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: there's part of me that has this negative slash glass

507
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: half empty view of how the community sees the music.

508
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: And for the most part, I always felt like whatever

509
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: nariety that we got, we were.

510
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 3: Only chosen because we weren't gangster rap.

511
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: Like the amount of times that someone will performably come

512
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: up to me backstage to differentiate themselves like yo, man,

513
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: like I like y'all because you know, y'all don't be

514
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: killing bitches, y'all don't be so with drugs like and

515
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: y'all don't care about success, you don't care about getting paid.

516
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 9: Definitely wrong.

517
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: So again the idea. And that's the thing.

518
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: I know in their mind they're thinking like, wow, they're

519
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: trying to give me a quotable that I remember, like yeah,

520
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: that one fan and Boise Idaho that just like me

521
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: and looks right, And really I only walk away thinking like, man,

522
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: they just they hate Snoop Doggie Dogs, so they only

523
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: like us because we're the opposite of that, which is

524
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: really not saying you like, So this is like one

525
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: of the rare times in which like I felt chosen. Yeah, yes,

526
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: I know that for everyone to be on OK player.

527
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 3: But then because of just you know, an artist being

528
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 3: over analytical and.

529
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: Self deprecating for me, like the fact that I allow

530
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: people just slander us and talk shit over there more

531
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: or less about me just feeling to justify like my

532
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: non deservedness. But I will say that this is a

533
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: really good time for me to hear that, oh, someone

534
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,479
Speaker 1: actually just liked the music and gravitated.

535
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 4: Towards Not only that, but it it made me feel

536
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 4: like I had something to contribute, Like I wasn't a DJ.

537
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 4: I've never really truly done vinyl. I'm an instrument guy.

538
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 4: I started out playing guitar, bass, drums, some keyboards, and

539
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 4: so I had always played in bands. I didn't have

540
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 4: a beat making background in that sense. But what I

541
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 4: heard in those records, y'all's records, the common was musical

542
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 4: layers on top of drums. If I had to just

543
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 4: put it very basic, that told me that there was

544
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 4: a place for a musical approach to production. To me,

545
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 4: like it wasn't just about two turntables, but like added keyboards,

546
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 4: added guitars, added like basically whatever y'all I would like,

547
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 4: you know, road like obviously the roads ear candy. That

548
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 4: made me think like okay, wow, like I can actually

549
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 4: probably contribute something to this.

550
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: But did you realize that?

551
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: Because the thing is is that at least back then

552
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: if I'm going to Europe the same way that you

553
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: got to fill up your gas tank like I know

554
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: in Prime Roots time in ninety five, ninety six, in

555
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, two thousand and two, that I'm

556
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: going to go bend shopping with Dayles Peterson or do

557
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: a lot of I'm almost certain I.

558
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: Still believe to this day I had.

559
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: I did like two thousand dollars worth of record shopping

560
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: in Amsterdam, and I think the records are still in

561
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: their basement because I forgot.

562
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: To nail at home. But like I would have to

563
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 3: go to Europe and to.

564
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: These these whatever, the cosmopolitan European, westernized European cities to

565
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: get the music that's going to help me make the

566
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: music that's crazy that you think is coming from America,

567
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: but really like it's coming from you. It is those

568
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: obscure bands from Holland or the frog rock groupers. So

569
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: at any point is it registering to you that you're

570
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: actually kind of at an advantage where you live in

571
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: the place where a lot of taste makers, the Giles

572
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: Peterson's of the world, are exposing you all to music

573
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: that otherwise only.

574
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 3: Very few people are doing it in the United States

575
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: right now.

576
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 4: I think it's a great question. Actually I don't think

577
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 4: to that extent, But like there were a lot of

578
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 4: Europeans trends of music at that time happening that I

579
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 4: think I was influenced by that gave me a leg

580
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 4: up over here, like for Hero in UK, like jazz

581
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 4: and Nova in Germany, like some of the more down

582
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 4: tempo stuff in France. So when when I put my

583
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 4: music out to the world in the States, people said

584
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 4: it had a European feel, and you know, again ironically,

585
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 4: back home, people were saying that stuff sounds American. I

586
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 4: had no idea. I think I perceived all of this

587
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 4: music as as purely American, and I don't think I

588
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 4: had this sophistication of knowledge at the time to realize

589
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 4: that it was kind of a full circle.

590
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 3: That's really places where. Yeah, no, not at all, not

591
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: at all. So did you think like we were like

592
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 3: on America, having like, you know, poetry slammed me like

593
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 3: everything that you talk about.

594
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: Journals on the capreia, Like did you think like we

595
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 1: were just like, you know, cutting up coconuts?

596
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: And I don't think it was erratic sand but I

597
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 4: definitely heard I think I think maybe it was because

598
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 4: of the perception of the Roots as a band. I

599
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 4: heard something that was not a guy on a beat machine.

600
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 4: I heard a more richer kind of sound that made

601
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 4: me think like a lot of it was played by instruments.

602
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 4: And again the instruments is what appealed to me because

603
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 4: I didn't know how to make a beat, but I

604
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 4: knew how to play a bass.

605
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: Guitar, you know what I mean? Like, how far were

606
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 3: you from Amsterdam? So I grew up in Utrecht, which.

607
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 4: Is half an hour where the you would call it

608
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 4: a suburb of which is Atrat used to be. It's

609
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 4: a thousands years old city that used to be a

610
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 4: Roman outpost. But it and that's where the North Sea

611
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 4: Jazz festivals hill, right or No, that was in the

612
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 4: Hague and now I think nowadays it's in Rotterdam. They

613
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 4: moved it from the Hague to Rotterdam. But I went

614
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 4: to school in Amsterdam because that was the thing that

615
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 4: you did. Like when I finished high school, I went

616
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 4: to school in Amsterdam, largely because I didn't know what

617
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 4: to do. So I started musicology at the University of

618
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 4: Amsterdam and I started going to the Paradiso, which is

619
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 4: a venue you would be familiar with. Yeah, that was

620
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 4: you know, we got a lot of great Like I

621
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 4: remember seeing Wu Tang for the first time they were

622
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 4: in Holland, and can.

623
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: Ask a question, Yeah, okay, as a Holland resident, how

624
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: frustrating was it for you?

625
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: Because here's the thing.

626
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: Now it's twenty twenty four, so kind of perception and

627
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: the relationship with cannabis and weed. Oh man, now it's

628
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's getting nationalized and slowly, but surely.

629
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: I think right now Germany's voting to see they'll legalize

630
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: it totally.

631
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: So you know, the world's open up the rains.

632
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: But like of course in the late nineteen nineties early

633
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: two thousand and people's minds like the whole pulp fiction

634
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: thing that the glorious story of, like you gotta go

635
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: to only in Amsterdam and Holland, Yeah, can you get

636
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: fucked up and not get fucked rusted?

637
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: Right? Great?

638
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: And so as a result, like the amount of shows

639
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: that I saw, just the amount of artists, because a

640
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: lot of artists when they start there, you were being toured,

641
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: they would make Amsterdam the hub.

642
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 3: First, go there a few days earlier and go to

643
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: all these coffee shops and the.

644
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: Right and so you know, I do know in my

645
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: mind a lot of the most adventurous roots shows were

646
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: in Amsterdam.

647
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 9: And what's an adventurous root shows ount.

648
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: Like it's where they might hit four or five coffee

649
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: shops before we get on stage. So even though the

650
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: muscle memory is strong, like we've the most closest to

651
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: freestyle shows where it's just like it's a fish show

652
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: that I wasn't taking so at least like I could.

653
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: It was just harder to control the guys as a

654
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: traffic cop. Oh I was a designated driver, right because

655
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, Tarik might forget the third verse to mel

656
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: my Man and then we gotta you know. But I

657
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: also feel as though those those shows excited me because

658
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to expect. So basically, I think

659
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: I just revealed to the world that what you already

660
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: knew is like I'm tightly wound, and I rehearse no

661
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: no no, no no no, no no no, I'm tightly wound,

662
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: just in terms of like my spontanees rehearsed as a band,

663
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: as a band leader. And so I always wonder if

664
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: people in the audience get frustrated looking at us, like

665
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: dumb Americans they always get fucked up before they come

666
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: on stage and now they're falling all over and forget

667
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: their lyrics. Like I can confirm that, Like, have you

668
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: seen a good hip hop show in Holland where nobody

669
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: was so fucked up they couldn't perform?

670
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 4: Yes, I've seen both. So I've seen like Lords of

671
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 4: the Underground CIRCA Funky Child, amazing, amazing show. They were focused,

672
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 4: they were focused, sounded incredible, like parodies, as you know,

673
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 4: is an old church. Yeah, sound can be very finicky there,

674
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 4: but it was amazing. But I'm not afraid to relate

675
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 4: this anecdote. The first time came to them, Joe apparently like,

676
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 4: you know how Paradiso has the dressing rooms in the basement.

677
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 3: Yes, you go up the stairs to the stay the balcony.

678
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 4: Yes, And and so Jizza apparently was so high that

679
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 4: he wouldn't come out of the dressing room, and they

680
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 4: brought the microphone down using the stairs. So there were

681
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 4: a lot of shows where you could tell like it

682
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 4: was impacted.

683
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 3: So you just expected.

684
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 4: And the thing for people in Amsterdam is like it

685
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 4: is legal, so a lot of people don't really bother

686
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 4: to partake because you know how that kind of becomes

687
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 4: a thing of like, ah whatever. So we were not

688
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 4: we you know, I've seen both. I've seen incredible hip

689
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 4: hop shows where it seemed like and and maybe they

690
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 4: were still but like but but largely we loved the

691
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 4: record so.

692
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 3: Much that you wanted to get some of that. You

693
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: wanted to get what you loved about the record.

694
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 4: And I remember really really great show like Onyx was incredible.

695
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 4: Onyx opened up for run DMC because they were being

696
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 4: manage at the time and it was down with the

697
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: and that was an incredible show. Yeah, obviously cypress Hill

698
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,959
Speaker 4: worked out really well In answer them, because.

699
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: You're saying that we, like I enjoyed many of our

700
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: shows over there, but I will also acknowledge in the

701
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: same with LA, like all of our LA shows are

702
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: so high pressurized because you knows in the crowd while

703
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: I'm black, it's watching you over there, so you're like

704
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: going on out or showing off, and it's not like

705
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: the shows that I wish you guys could see, like

706
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: one of them nondescript shows that we did in Italy

707
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: or in France that we didn't care about and we

708
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: just retired and went on state, Like those shows are

709
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: the best route shows that we'll never get seen. But

710
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: I always wondered if you guys you're getting think about

711
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: it going another question I have because the thing is,

712
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: and this is for the both of you to me,

713
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like I had such a flag planning moment

714
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: with like, yeah, this this thing called the super Information

715
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: Highway and the Internet, like I'm bringing a real life

716
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: magazine or the way that Rozelle described it, He's like, yo, man,

717
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: you just open up your own mall and you're selling

718
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: stories to everybody to come and do their thing, and

719
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: that's what okay player is. So I thought that's as

720
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: far as I could take it. So the day that's

721
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: someone and they explained to me like I was a

722
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: sixty five year older. He's like, no, you don't understand,

723
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: Like they made their music on computer. I was like, wait,

724
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: you can make a studio like it sounds like I

725
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: came from battery studios.

726
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 3: Like a real song like that.

727
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: So the way that people were explaining to me that

728
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: you can now make an entire album on your computer

729
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: and check this out of here. You can email it

730
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: somebody and they could add vocals, And I was trying

731
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: to like the way that somebody was explaining to me

732
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: what it was like why it was such a big

733
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: deal that this pairing was happening. It was one of

734
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: them things where I didn't know what fruity loop even

735
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: though like I heard you guys mentioned we lose fruity loops.

736
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: I've never to this day seen fruity loops or like

737
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm also the guy's just a shame to admit I

738
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: make records in.

739
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: The old way, hey man, Steve is very cl Steven

740
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: is smiling right now.

741
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 6: I've never saw fruity loops either. I really haven't.

742
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: Well, I know that.

743
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm just like you're very glad that I'm very with

744
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: my pretty much like I don't know that. I think

745
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: my whole record was the age yet. So at what

746
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: point did you guys decide to like, Okay, this worked out?

747
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: Like why don't we make something of this? Because I

748
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: would have never even if you did that, Like can

749
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: I rhyme over this? You never met each other, So

750
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: how did you know this would work?

751
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: Man?

752
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 8: It could be music. It was just the music. It

753
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,959
Speaker 8: was just a belief in the music. I didn't Again,

754
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 8: I didn't know him. I didn't know nothing about him.

755
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: You know.

756
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 8: And so finally, you know, we you know, we would

757
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 8: just use instant messenger. And at the time we made Connected,

758
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 8: I didn't even have a computer.

759
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: Of my own.

760
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 8: So all that whole making your vocals, So how I

761
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 8: was doing my vocals back back then? We had a studio,

762
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 8: I mean, we had our studio. We were recording chop shop,

763
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 8: we were making all the LB records. But I didn't

764
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 8: have a personal computer in my crib. So I would

765
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 8: go to the chop shop do my vocals, and then

766
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 8: I would either I would mix down the MP three

767
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 8: and I would go to my homeboys crib my man MC.

768
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: I would use his computer, my man Meetian.

769
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 8: He had a pass to the computer lab at NC State,

770
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 8: and so he would let us all kind of we

771
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 8: would be on some bootleg shit like using his credentials

772
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 8: to get into the computer lab at NC State, and

773
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 8: I would like log on and be like, yo, bro,

774
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 8: I just did this, and I would like, you know,

775
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 8: get on im.

776
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 3: AIM. I oul send it to him. How long would

777
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 3: it take to email files back?

778
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 8: It wasn't bad, So it wasn't email because this again,

779
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 8: this is prior to like Gmail or any of that shit.

780
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 3: Sens face, none of that. This is AIM. This is

781
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 3: AIM instant messenger and you just mail file. Yeah.

782
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 4: And I think we never shared wave files because that

783
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 4: wasn't possible. You would. He would send me an MP

784
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 4: three and then when we were like okay, this is

785
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 4: really it, like he actually snail mailed me some cd

786
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 4: some CDRs so that I.

787
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 3: Waved on it. Yeah, and you're doing this straight to

788
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: MP three. Yeah, I'm doing this. I mean not sending

789
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 3: like the drum track and keyboard tracking. Oh no, no,

790
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: this is just straight two track. So how do you

791
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: line up? Like? Are you lining stuff Jimmy Jam style?

792
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: Like Jimmy Jam revealed that for at least eighty to

793
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: ninety percent, they never used sympty at all, right, and

794
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: he would just blend the vocals like when they would

795
00:42:59,160 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: do a remix or something.

796
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 3: Are you essentially just so.

797
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 4: Basically I had to beat. I had the track, and

798
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 4: then Fante would send me a ref like he would

799
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 4: do the vocals, and he would mail me a ref

800
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 4: and then I would essentially line them up using the ref.

801
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: So I'd be like, okay, this is my session.

802
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 4: This is what I would literally and then normally it

803
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 4: would be like no, I push it back for like

804
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 4: a little you know, give it like it was sort

805
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 4: of like a trial and error and when it sounded right,

806
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 4: you kind of knew like, okay, it sits right, but

807
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 4: it was there was no process.

808
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 3: You would tell them sometimes like nudge the drums back

809
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: with vocals.

810
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 8: I would the track out, you know, I would let

811
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 8: him do that, but my vocals. You dialitize your vocals

812
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 8: to absolutely every time this day, like to this day,

813
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 8: nudge to the right. Everything's for for him to the

814
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 8: right in the whole world all the time.

815
00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 3: Everything. Yeah, man, that's you know is four frames the right.

816
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: Everybody is four frames the rect Yeah, I gotta admit though, no.

817
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: But but the thing is is that I thought you

818
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: were on some Steph Curry shooting from half court like

819
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: some of these vocals, you know, the with thieve behind this,

820
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: And I was like, yo, yeah.

821
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 4: So magular that in many ways he is, but like

822
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 4: it was still we would exaggerate it.

823
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 8: I mean, I, you know, naturally I would kind of

824
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 8: be you know, on it, but but I would always like,

825
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 8: kind of nudget it look to the right.

826
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 3: But that was how we did the first album.

827
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 8: So he was he was in the Netherlands and I

828
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 8: was in Durham and so little Brother had a show

829
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 8: at Parody.

830
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 4: So this was what they didn't get high.

831
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't get high, save that we came at

832
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 3: Queens Day. I was very high. But we did.

833
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 4: Uh.

834
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: It was like three that was four four April four.

835
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 8: That was our first time ever meeting each other face

836
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 8: to face. We came over and by that time we

837
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 8: had connected damn near done you know good.

838
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had it pretty much So what was the

839
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: first meeting like, because I also feel like the reflection

840
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: of the music there has to be some sort of

841
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: social camaraderie.

842
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

843
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, man, listen, bro, if you can you know,

844
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 8: if you have the level of trust to send your

845
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 8: raw vocals to somebody, I mean, that's you know, that's

846
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 8: a bond that you know, you know, just regardless of

847
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 8: them person not being in your physical space. That's just

848
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 8: a level of intimacy and trust that it supersedes, you know,

849
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 8: any kind of physical or any kind of whatever, you know,

850
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 8: because you're just you're essentially like putting yourself out there

851
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 8: and you send it to this guy that you don't know,

852
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 8: and it's like, hey, man, I trust you with this.

853
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 3: Make it happen, you know what I mean.

854
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 8: And so when we met each other face to face

855
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 8: that first time, it was just like, oh right, what

856
00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 8: up this Nick?

857
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 3: Okay? Cool?

858
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 4: It was like almost like yeah, I saw you yesterday,

859
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 4: but I hadn't.

860
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, because because we had literally been working on this

861
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 8: album like for months and months, and at that time,

862
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 8: you know, that was when LB we were touring heavy,

863
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 8: So it was really, oh we just lost the contact.

864
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was what I got I got it.

865
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 3: I got it right, you know, like Kevin Nel, look

866
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: look at.

867
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: Man.

868
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 3: So we so I was at the mercy of LB's

869
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 3: touring schedule.

870
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 8: So that first album Connected, it took a long time

871
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 8: to get done, well longer in a long time back then,

872
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 8: but because it was just kind of all right, I

873
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 8: get a couple of songs done, then we go on.

874
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 3: Tour for six weeks whatever, come back. How long did

875
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 3: it take to make Connect? We started in two We

876
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 3: started at the beginning too, and we were done at

877
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 3: the end of yeah, yeah, because right then we had that.

878
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 8: Whole connected leak okay, player off places of course, which wait,

879
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 8: the lesson the less.

880
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 1: But the thing is, how like I'm assuming the entire

881
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: creations under your yeah, like possessions.

882
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean it was at that time. I

883
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: mean it was just so loose.

884
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 8: I mean, so like we would record, but then at

885
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 8: the end of the session, whoever was engineering the session,

886
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 8: if it was Name or if it was Crisis or whoever, like,

887
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 8: all right, who want to copy? And we didn't think anything.

888
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 8: It's like, yeah, it's just getting around. Yeah, it was

889
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 8: just getting around. So I'm on to a high road,

890
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 8: and I see, like, oh, oh ship is out. This

891
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 8: even before Lime Wire, I don't even know. I don't

892
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 8: even know how will people get it? It was so

893
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 8: see so I'm like, damn, the album leaked, and you know,

894
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 8: in my mind, I'm thinking like that Dead in the

895
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 8: Water thought it was we always it was like damn.

896
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 8: But we saw the response and it was like, well, damn,

897
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 8: people really fuck with this. So it really was kind

898
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 8: of a it was validation a lot of ways after,

899
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 8: you know, it affirmed what we kind of believed that

900
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 8: we had. And so when I came back from tour,

901
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 8: we did a couple extra bonus tracks. It was like,

902
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 8: all right, it leaked, but let's do a couple extra

903
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 8: joints and bb came and we did the deal with

904
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 8: them that was like yeah we four.

905
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, well I think if I remember we

906
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 4: had to deal when it leaked, I remember thinking like,

907
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 4: is this going to be the end of our journey? Like,

908
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 4: like do they will the label still mess with us?

909
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 4: And it was one of those leaks where the response

910
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 4: was greater than the loss of not being new, and

911
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 4: so it worked out. But at the time we were

912
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 4: kind of devastated by it because like, but leaks at

913
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 4: the time were very normal, like jay Z would leak

914
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 4: and like you know, like there it was that time

915
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 4: of like when people started carrying CDs out of the

916
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,959
Speaker 4: plan under their belts and shit.

917
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: So it also means that there is like excitement because

918
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 1: there's some people that just it's a million and I'll

919
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: never hear, I'll never download.

920
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 4: I think at the end of the day we took

921
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 4: it this track, I.

922
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 7: Was gonna ask just with with the track making, like

923
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 7: you were, you know, talking about roads and guitars and

924
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 7: stuff like what comes first for you. I'm always interested

925
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 7: in when people are making beats, is it is it

926
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 7: rhythm heavy or is it I.

927
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 4: Think I think the musical idea comes first, and that

928
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 4: might be a chord progression, that might be a sample,

929
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 4: that might be a bassline. But that's what I built

930
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 4: around and drums under, if that makes sense. At the time,

931
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 4: it was a combination. I really was interned as Samply,

932
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 4: but I didn't have I didn't have an NPC, I

933
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 4: didn't have I had a computer and had a keyboard

934
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 4: and a bass guitar and I used a tracker, which

935
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 4: is there was a tracking scene at the time yo

936
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 4: my plug.

937
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, he showed me that ship, dude, it looked like

938
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 8: he was about to launch a fucking missile.

939
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, dog, what is this?

940
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 8: Like that was when I really saw like the way

941
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 8: his brain works is just different because it's.

942
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 3: Not my plug is a program and I'm not like

943
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 3: the super techy guy.

944
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 8: But like, we recorded that first album in cool Letted Pro,

945
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 8: which is now Adobe Audition, but it was cool Letted.

946
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 3: That was what we did all the vocals in.

947
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 8: And it's just a basic just a basic daw So

948
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 8: it's you know, it's side to side.

949
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 3: My plug is vertical. So he matris.

950
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 8: On the beat and he just starts see all this

951
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 8: ship flying. I was like, bro, what the fuck is that?

952
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 8: And but that's what he made beats on and I

953
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 8: was like, yeah he did, So is this okay?

954
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: True to the legend of other beat bankers that I know,

955
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: what was the standard at the time and what Like

956
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: when I found out that Joe Ron Bombay was making

957
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: these beats on Sony Acid, like these really cheap, like

958
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: my first Sony kind of yeah, what were you using?

959
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 4: I didn't know what the standard was. And my brother,

960
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 4: my younger brother, had introduced me to trackers, which is

961
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 4: essentially a machine code kind of thing where you can

962
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 4: load little wave files in and trigger them by using

963
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 4: certain codes. And so it started with you have four tracks,

964
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 4: and then they like all of a sudden, it was

965
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 4: a tracks. I think by the time I started working

966
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 4: with them, it was like a tracks and at some

967
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 4: point you had sixteen tracks of having sounds together.

968
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 3: See doing a song like Daykeeper with this sort of

969
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: a keeper.

970
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 4: At that point I had at least sixty. But yeah,

971
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 4: I did Daykeeper like that. I did take off like

972
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 4: all of the first album, all the new kind of

973
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 4: the leave it all behind the album. I started getting

974
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 4: into pro tools because somebody told me, like.

975
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: Look, dog, like if you need just another way.

976
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 4: You need to really professionalize or need to was a

977
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 4: big word, but like they were like, yo, most of

978
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 4: the pros use pro tools, and so I started.

979
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: But like, I don't feel bad now because one of

980
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: the things that I feel horrible about. You see the

981
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: smug look on Steve's face, the way that I've been,

982
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: like I've been. I'm in such a zone with his

983
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: in game record right now with the roots. But when

984
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: I tell you the embarrassingly kind of primitive way that

985
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 1: I'm building this record, like yes, I read how half

986
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: of Nason and Millions was built by them as an

987
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: actual jam session, each guy at a twelve hundred manually

988
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: pressing the samples by themselves, not programming.

989
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 3: Even the mixes too. They would mix and the.

990
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: Beastie Boys admitted that every sample on Paul's boutique was

991
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: basically just lined up one by one and then they

992
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: would just do that. But there's no like programming and stuff,

993
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: and so like I'm also inspired by like again like

994
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: the whole Sony Acid story and that sort of thing.

995
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 3: So like I've been.

996
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 6: Like you're thinking of the lost Bomb Squad member, I

997
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 6: just you know, I do.

998
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: But it's just the fact that like James teases me

999
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: about it, and like sometimes I let it get to

1000
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: me that, see, you're not a real beat maker, like

1001
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: you're actually looping the stuff from your soerrado DJ thing like.

1002
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 4: Exactly. And I think I think I had a little

1003
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 4: bit of that. I guess what you called imposters where

1004
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 4: you're like, okay, I'm not using the Like I remember

1005
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 4: the first time I after we met for the first

1006
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 4: time and connected had been pressed up. We met in

1007
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 4: New York in July of four and we did something

1008
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 4: called Beat Society, which is where producers come out and

1009
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 4: essentially play their beats. And so I came out with

1010
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 4: my little leptop.

1011
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 3: You did Beat Society, I did.

1012
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 4: I did Beat Society and Knitting Factory, and that's when

1013
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 4: of the first time we literally performed together. But I

1014
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 4: came out with my laptop and I realized like, okay,

1015
00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 4: like like everybody else is using MPCs and I'm just

1016
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 4: here like as though I'm checking my email, you know, look,

1017
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 4: you know, right, like craft for it. But it was

1018
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 4: one of the first times where I realized like, yeah,

1019
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 4: I had no idea, I had no real knowledge of

1020
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 4: how the music was made, and I saw I just

1021
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 4: used what I know. Again, my brother had introduced me

1022
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 4: to I knew Q base existed and stuff like that,

1023
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 4: but I didn't know I didn't have that. So it became.

1024
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 3: A weapon of choice.

1025
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 4: It became my secret weapon because I learned to use

1026
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 4: it in such a way that I could really make

1027
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 4: it do whatever I wanted.

1028
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 3: And that was our story.

1029
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 8: I think, like a big part it was really just

1030
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 8: about using the tools you have, just making do with

1031
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 8: what you have.

1032
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 6: You know.

1033
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 3: It was when people would.

1034
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 8: Ask like, oh man, so making the internet, like, oh

1035
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 8: man making an am that's so crazy, Like it was

1036
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 8: just this crazy idea.

1037
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 3: And I'm one of those people. Yeah, yeah, Like dude,

1038
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 3: he was in the Netherlands, I was in Durham.

1039
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 4: For us, it was kind of we never even thought

1040
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 4: about it, like we were just like, yo, like you,

1041
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 4: I like what you're doing.

1042
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 3: He likes what I'm doing, let's do it.

1043
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: When you're part of the analogic generation though, and I

1044
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: was very much stuck in my ways person I just

1045
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: couldn't fathomm like wait, I don't see how they're doing that,

1046
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: like emailing stuff at the same time, and like it

1047
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: was just such a storied, uncharted thing, and like when

1048
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: did garage band come out?

1049
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 8: Garage band was yeah, that was later garage band for

1050
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 8: me personally. I started in garage band two thousand and nine. Yeah,

1051
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 8: two thousand and nine. That was when I built my

1052
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 8: studio at home and so I had we had worked everything,

1053
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 8: all the old LB stuff, like the first two Foreigners

1054
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 8: Change albums. That was at the chop shop in Durham

1055
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 8: and we tracked all those vocals and cool let it

1056
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 8: and then oh nine, I built my studio up the

1057
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 8: crib and I used garage band.

1058
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 3: So like Authenticity.

1059
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 8: My first solo album, Charity Starts at Home, Yeah all that,

1060
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 8: all those records like those are all garage man, garage man.

1061
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 3: It was, Yeah, it was free. What is it the

1062
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 3: game changer that people claim that it was or it? Well,

1063
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1064
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 8: Well, I don't know if I say for me, it

1065
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 8: wasn't so much a game changer. I think it was

1066
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 8: just by that time I had learned that, like listen,

1067
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 8: it doesn't matter what you're recording into. It's all about

1068
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 8: the signal that you're sending. You gotta in the in

1069
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 8: the recording process. Really, the recording engineer is god, you

1070
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 8: know what I mean.

1071
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 3: Because it's not gonna your your.

1072
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 8: The record the recording engineer, because your song is not

1073
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 8: gonna rise above whatever the signal is. So, you know,

1074
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 8: if you got a choice between buying you know, a

1075
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 8: crazy Mike, a three thousand dollar mic or whatever, but

1076
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 8: you haven't treated your room first, that Mike is just

1077
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 8: gonna pick up your room, you know what I mean.

1078
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 8: So you probably would be better off spending some money

1079
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 8: treating your room. And you get a little, you know,

1080
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 8: a little two hundred dollars something and you know, you

1081
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 8: can make that work, and so that was kind of

1082
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 8: my approach. And so I started doing those records in

1083
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 8: Garage Man. And what I liked about it it was

1084
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 8: very it was simple. And then also when I upgrade

1085
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 8: it to logic in like twenty twelve, logic is basic

1086
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 8: garage band on steroids. So how I learned logic was

1087
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 8: I would take my old Garage Man sessions and open

1088
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 8: them up in logic and just kind of work backwards

1089
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 8: and you're like, oh, okay, so this is what reverb is,

1090
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 8: this is where the delays is, and I would learn

1091
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 8: it like that. So garage band for me, I mean,

1092
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 8: you know, people clowned on it, but I made crazy

1093
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 8: records in Garage Man.

1094
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 7: But logic was around for a long time before it

1095
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 7: turned into the logic we know today.

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Speaker 3: There was a yeah logic.

1097
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 7: Logic that looked that looked what I think is like

1098
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 7: you're like matrix. It was it was really hard to understand,

1099
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 7: and that's think there was like a pro tool sequencer,

1100
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 7: and then finally logic became the visual thing that it

1101
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 7: is today. And I think that's that's what people liked

1102
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 7: about Garage Man was we looked at it and it

1103
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 7: was pleasing to look at and easy easy to you.

1104
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 8: Nah, because you I mean, because you got to think

1105
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 8: about it, like if you mixing something, I mean, you're

1106
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 8: looking at that screen for fucking hours. So it was

1107
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 8: really from my experience, it was really intuitive. It was

1108
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 8: just very easy to use, and I was not the

1109
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 8: super techy like engineer guy. I just kind of knew

1110
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 8: what I liked and just kind of how to get

1111
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 8: that and that.

1112
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 3: Was it, you know what I mean.

1113
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 6: So when do you think you'll ever have enough money

1114
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 6: to buy pro tools?

1115
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 3: Nah, I'm logic. I'm logic to the.

1116
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: What was the session? Like when you guys are in

1117
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: the same time zone together and in the studio together?

1118
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 3: Wait? What no chemistry to this day? Now?

1119
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 4: We this is kind like I like, this is the

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00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 4: rule of the group.

1121
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 3: You must emails.

1122
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I liken it to prints, not wanting to meet,

1123
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 4: like we had such a chemistry going in this way,

1124
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 4: like I've always explained it to people, like we each

1125
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 4: take care of our part of the music in such

1126
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 4: an inhibited personal way that we can fully realize what

1127
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 4: we have in mind and then we send it to

1128
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 4: the other person versus like being in the same room here, right, right,

1129
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 4: or are you sure about that word or you know

1130
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 4: what I mean? Like, we always sort of kept it

1131
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 4: our fifty to fifty percent of the total separate and

1132
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 4: would send each other, I guess fully realized versions of

1133
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 4: stuff that we thought could work, and by the time

1134
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 4: that I came to the States and started my career here,

1135
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 4: it almost felt like it would really break the magic.

1136
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 3: So we never have like to this day.

1137
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: So can you just briefly tell our listeners viewers how

1138
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: you guys built the FI community of Like the Cat

1139
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: because it takes a village and obviously, yeah, we're invested

1140
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: in you guys, but also like Zara and Carlita and

1141
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: just how and Zoe, like how how did the community

1142
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: of musicians come together for these projects?

1143
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 5: Man?

1144
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 3: So, Zoe was someone I actually met. Zoe.

1145
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 8: This was in two thousand and five, maybe six h

1146
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 8: This is right after Mintell Show it came out, and

1147
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 8: Zoe had been remixing here, did remixes for a couple

1148
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 8: LB records. And the thing I always listened for for

1149
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 8: producers when they would remix our stuff. Our stuff had

1150
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 8: hooks and singing hooks in it, so every producer could

1151
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 8: always lock.

1152
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 3: In on the rhymes. It's like you're hear it. It's like, okay,

1153
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 3: y'all got it, y'all match the beat? Okay, cool? What

1154
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 3: this goddamn hook? Boy to signd like is this ship

1155
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 3: in the same key? Right?

1156
01:00:58,120 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 8: And the hook would come in and it would just

1157
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 8: be a fun and you know what I mean. And

1158
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 8: so Zoel was one of the guys like he had

1159
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 8: put up a remix that he had did the way

1160
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 8: you do it, and I was like, that's the way

1161
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 8: you do it, man, come on, I hope he fucked

1162
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 8: this up. I did not know who he was at all,

1163
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 8: and I just heard it. I was like, oh, he

1164
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 8: smoked this shit. So we did a show LB show

1165
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 8: and I think Ann Arbor or something, but he pulled

1166
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 8: up gave me a copy of his record.

1167
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 3: He was like, I'm Zoe.

1168
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 8: I was like, oh man, yo, yeah, yeah, check it.

1169
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 8: So he gives me a copy of his record. It

1170
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 8: was the I think it was the Passion and Definition

1171
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 8: album and so it's just an instrumental record he did.

1172
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 8: And again I'm still kind of cynical because we had

1173
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 8: just been getting trashed that whole fucking tour and so

1174
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 8: I finally got it home I'm like, all right, let

1175
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 8: me I'm gonna give him a shot.

1176
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 3: Let me put it on.

1177
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 8: Track one was dope. I'm like, all right, I bet

1178
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 8: track two won't be dope. Track two is dope. I'm like, okay,

1179
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 8: is he gonna go three in a row? He went

1180
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 8: like twelve in a row or whatever.

1181
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 3: How many songs on that. He was just smoking that shit.

1182
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 3: So I reached out to him.

1183
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 8: I was like, hey, man, like your shit is hard, bro,

1184
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 8: like you know, you want to do something whatever, And

1185
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 8: we just started collap Braiden And so that was how

1186
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 8: he came into the fold. And then when we did

1187
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 8: If She Breaks Your Heart, Nick and I had the

1188
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 8: idea of like, okay, zoel like he does like the

1189
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 8: first half, and then Nick did like the second second,

1190
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 8: you know, four hero Yeah, Boston. Yeah, we got shot

1191
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 8: to Mark Mack, who did the string range.

1192
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mark Man.

1193
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, So that was kind of how he came.

1194
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 8: And everybody else, man, they were just all they were

1195
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 8: just all people that, like, you know, Carlita was a

1196
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 8: student at Central at the time, and we needed a

1197
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 8: hook for a song, and yazirob. She and I went

1198
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 8: to school together. We went to Central together, Darien Brockington.

1199
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 8: He and I we went to Central together. Carlita, she

1200
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 8: was a Central student.

1201
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 3: Yaz A. I was supposed to sing on the song

1202
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 3: one night and I called her to do the hook.

1203
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 3: She was out of town. Called my man. He was like, yo, dog,

1204
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 3: I know this singing chick from Central.

1205
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 8: I'm like okay, And he shows up and it was

1206
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 8: Carlita and she did the hook for Life of the

1207
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 8: Party for the LB song and from that he just

1208
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 8: started working together. Man, I mean shit, Mosina was somebody.

1209
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 8: My man shots my man. Cousin B, who's uh he

1210
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 8: run you know, he's the NPR Tiny desk guy. Now

1211
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 8: Mosina had a MySpace page and we had just started.

1212
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 3: I think we had kind of started leaving all. We

1213
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 3: might have had maybe one two tracks, but he had.

1214
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,919
Speaker 8: She had a MySpace page and she had a song

1215
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 8: on it called Millions and me and Darien brox and

1216
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 8: we want to it what They'll be and we were roommates.

1217
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 8: Cousin B sends me the link. He's like, yo, man,

1218
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 8: check this chick. She sounded like Georgia and I was like,

1219
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 8: oh shit, you talk about Georgia. M Modreaux and I

1220
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 8: listened to millions, and if that song had a thousand

1221
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 8: plays on her MySpace, nine hundred and ninety of them.

1222
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 3: Was me and we played that shit.

1223
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 8: I was like, holy shit. And I just reached out

1224
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 8: to her and I was like, yo, man, I'm working

1225
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 8: on a new FE album.

1226
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know who I am whatever,

1227
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 3: but I think you dope. A couple months later, she

1228
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 3: came down to the crib, you know what I'm saying.

1229
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 8: We locked in and we did Daykeeper, her House of

1230
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 8: Cards and Something to behold for Leave it all behind

1231
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:04,439
Speaker 8: everybody else.

1232
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1233
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 8: I just I always looked at because you know, our

1234
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 8: division of labor, Nick is very much the music, and

1235
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 8: I'm more like personnel, you know what I'm saying production

1236
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 8: in that side. So I always looked at Fie albums.

1237
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 8: Whenever people would ask me like, yo, what do you

1238
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 8: listen to? I put the people that I was listening

1239
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 8: to on the albums. I'm like, Yo, Mussina, this is

1240
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 8: who I'm wucking with, you know. Gwen Bunn shouts to her.

1241
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 8: She was just another artist out of Atlanta and she

1242
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 8: did a record for my man Daryl Reeve. She did

1243
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 8: a cover of every Time I See You by Roy

1244
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 8: Ayers and smoked that ship.

1245
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 3: I was like, dude, who the fuck is this?

1246
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 8: He was like, it's my girl, Gwen. She came to

1247
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 8: the show that night, you know what I mean. We

1248
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 8: hooked up and did Kate turn around and we did

1249
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 8: like a couple of after the show, or this was

1250
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 8: maybe a couple of months afterward. Be my fiasco. Who's

1251
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 8: like the latest signing on our label. She was somebody

1252
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 8: who was based out of Dallas and she would just always.

1253
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 3: Twitter.

1254
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 8: There's another kind of like the Okay player next the

1255
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 8: kind of way. She was someone who big fie fan

1256
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 8: would come to our shows. And one day, much like Nikolay.

1257
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 3: She came on Twitter and was like, Yo, this is

1258
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 3: a new record by me. Check this out.

1259
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 8: It's very foreign exchange influence, and I thought it was dope.

1260
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 8: So she and I hit her one time and I

1261
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 8: was like, hey, man, do you have the ability to

1262
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 8: record at your home?

1263
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 3: You got your own setup? She was like yeah.

1264
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 8: So I put her on the record deal with Glass Violets,

1265
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 8: the Miles Davis. That's her singing on that. And I

1266
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 8: would just put her on records, you know what I mean,

1267
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 8: I'm like, yo, sing this? She she sings something and

1268
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 8: like you know, we.

1269
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 3: Was just rock like that. So guys are meeting or like, nah,

1270
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 3: this is all online. So smith called blind date. Yeah man,

1271
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 3: try I mean, listen, it's just you known to me,

1272
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 3: it's just jailuso.

1273
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: The final result jels are good that I imagine that

1274
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: you guys were in the room together.

1275
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 8: We were in all those records. All that stuff was

1276
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 8: done pretty much remotely, I think, uh.

1277
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:13,919
Speaker 3: No, listen.

1278
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 8: So when COVID hit, that's crazy. So when COVID hit,

1279
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 8: because a lot of times for the vocals, like that

1280
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 8: was my side. So my house used to be the

1281
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 8: spot where everyone recorded because I had to set up

1282
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 8: and everything. So that's why we would track the vocals.

1283
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 8: But COVID hit and it was just like, well, we

1284
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 8: can't do that. So we just pretty much invested and

1285
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 8: set all our team up. It's like, all right, look

1286
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 8: y'all need this. We're gonna get y'all this the mic,

1287
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 8: you need this, compressor, you need this, you need that,

1288
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 8: And we just set our team up remotely.

1289
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 3: So all through COVID, we were still cooking. We ain't

1290
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 3: miss a beat, you know, I mean, so that always

1291
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 3: the right equipment for each other.

1292
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, man, just like, Okay, you need this compressor.

1293
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 8: I'm a big fan of the I'm a big fan

1294
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 8: of La two A. I do't'ta go too nerdy with it,

1295
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 8: but I'm a big fan of La two A compressor.

1296
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 3: That's just my favorite. It's just two knobs.

1297
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 8: It's like, you know what I mean, It's it's it's simple,

1298
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 8: like you know, it's like it's like the big Green

1299
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 8: Egg of compressors.

1300
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 9: Know you have that Steve Green that's a barbecue and microphone.

1301
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think.

1302
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, Sismith her, we did her album she came and God,

1303
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 8: when did I come on?

1304
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 4: I met Cy and O four, I did a record

1305
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 4: with SiGe.

1306
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we had a show.

1307
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 4: In twenty ten where we needed a new female vocalist

1308
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 4: and I was like, well, I could call Sy, but

1309
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 4: she's gonna have to have a chemistry with Fante.

1310
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to see and that worked out.

1311
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 4: Nah, they well, So so I went to Europe with us,

1312
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 4: you know, and I think with all of the people

1313
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 4: that we've ever had on our roster, it was partly

1314
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 4: musical talent, partly like the hangability factor.

1315
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 3: That's the big part.

1316
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: Like I just never thought that, like, because I've seen

1317
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: situations where new members will get inducted into shows and

1318
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: the chemistry might not be right and that affects the

1319
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: show that you see. You guys are like torn together

1320
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: doing shows and always wondered how and actually doing like

1321
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: nice little presentational things like I'm wondering, like how you

1322
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: guys even rehearsing, well, rehearsing, that's.

1323
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 8: What we got to do that in person, you can't.

1324
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 8: You can't rehearse online. But right we were rehearsing, not

1325
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 8: a whole lot.

1326
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 3: Not a whole lot.

1327
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's still the first show of the tour was.

1328
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean we would just like start with

1329
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 3: that and Zoe.

1330
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 8: Actually, when we did Leave It All Behind, that was

1331
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 8: really a thing where Nick and I we kind of

1332
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 8: saw ourselves more as like a steely Dan kind of

1333
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 8: studio band. We had no intentions of touring whatsoever, like none,

1334
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 8: and so Leave It All Behind came out and our

1335
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 8: management director of opsite the time, Amy she was, She

1336
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 8: called me one day and was like, Yo, this is

1337
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 8: right after the album came out, and she was like, Yo,

1338
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 8: no kid, theater they want to book y'all for a show.

1339
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 6: And we was like a show.

1340
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 8: What are you talking about? She was like, they want

1341
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 8: a Foreign and Shane show. Nick and I had no

1342
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 8: idea how we were going to present this material playing

1343
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 8: m P three listen. I mean, you could have did that,

1344
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 8: but it was when I called, I was like, yeah,

1345
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 8: we gotta build this up. So that was when I

1346
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 8: hit zol and I was like, yo, bro, like you

1347
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 8: know you want to help with this, and he became

1348
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:24,600
Speaker 8: our m D.

1349
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1350
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, So that was kind of how it came. But yeah, man,

1351
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 8: we were just making records purely just to make the records.

1352
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 8: We had no idea, no clue of wanting to present

1353
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 8: it live like.

1354
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: That just was not on our RADI so what response

1355
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,879
Speaker 1: was it when you guys got nominated for a Grammy?

1356
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: Like what at that point was it, Like, were you

1357
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: guys actively campaigning for it? I had, and they were

1358
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: like congratulations, No.

1359
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 3: That's leg legit. I was knocked out. And what had

1360
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 3: happened was.

1361
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 4: We we never really submitted it, you know how normal

1362
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 4: like nowadays, somebody has to submit. At the time, there

1363
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 4: were these committees. I think they at this point have

1364
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 4: done away with them because there were some concerns about

1365
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 4: democracy and they.

1366
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 3: Don't even have I think the category we nominate for

1367
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 3: is not.

1368
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:23,799
Speaker 4: The category doesn't even exist. But essentially, yeah, what happened

1369
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 4: was somebody on the committee at the time and I

1370
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 4: know who it is, but that's not really super relevant,

1371
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 4: entered that record as a record with merit that hadn't

1372
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 4: been selected by the members, just as another suggestion, and

1373
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 4: it made it through the nominations list, which is kind

1374
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 4: of miraculous because we never campaigned. And so Yazra called

1375
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 4: me and she was like, are you sitting down? And

1376
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know, like should I be?

1377
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 4: And she was like, she's like, tomorrow the nominations are

1378
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 4: gonna come out and we're in it.

1379
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 3: And I just didn't really.

1380
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 4: It took a while to register because like, as much

1381
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 4: as I was very sure of our merit, like that

1382
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 4: was beyond my wildest dreams, as I'm sure you would

1383
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 4: have been the first time, Like as much as you

1384
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 4: strive for that sort of professional acknowledgement, we were so

1385
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 4: niche in a lot of ways. And at the same time,

1386
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 4: I guess we had touched enough people that it that

1387
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,679
Speaker 4: it went all the way up there. So I called

1388
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 4: Fantee was asleep. I don't know if I left you

1389
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 4: a voiceman.

1390
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 3: We talked. I remember that I was not there. You were.

1391
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 3: You woke up. You were like, oh, bro, we want grant.

1392
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 3: Well we up for a Grammy. I was like, oh, Ship,

1393
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 3: word up, all right, and I went back to until

1394
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 3: I woke up.

1395
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 8: And then I saw because this is back on the

1396
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 8: BlackBerry days, you know, bro my yeah, man, my ship

1397
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 8: was going crazy.

1398
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 3: This is like birthday Twitter. Yeah.

1399
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 8: It was just I was like, oh shit, we got

1400
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 8: nominated for a Grammy, and so yeah, it was it

1401
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 8: was just yeah crazy. I think for us, it really

1402
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 8: was just a validation of our art. And it just

1403
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 8: was like, you know, we did that record ourselves, Like

1404
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 8: we had no machine behind us. It was no major label, like,

1405
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 8: it was none of that. It was just me, Nick

1406
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 8: and Amy just thugging that shit out and so, you know,

1407
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 8: it was it was a real It was a moment

1408
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 8: for me because that was I mean, we I talked

1409
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 8: about it in the Doctor.

1410
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 3: Just on the business side.

1411
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 8: Foreign Exchange was the first time that I in my

1412
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 8: time in the music business, that was the first time

1413
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 8: I was ever really paid for my work, like ever,

1414
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 8: you know, that was the first time I really.

1415
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 3: To enjoy some oh yeah, yeah, like we we did

1416
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:47,759
Speaker 3: when we did.

1417
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 8: Leave It All Behind, and you know, we just put

1418
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 8: it out and we had talked about because at that

1419
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 8: time I think.

1420
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 3: BBE they was knocking. They wanted to real, they wanted

1421
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 3: to do they were interested.

1422
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 8: And we looked at the deal and the deal was

1423
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 8: cool and BBE shouts to b B shouts to pe

1424
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 8: p Eddie b eddib No, they did it right by

1425
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:08,879
Speaker 8: it so on on connected.

1426
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 3: So we were open. Was like all, yeah, let's see.

1427
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 3: But by that time, you know, Nick and I was like, yo, man, like, bro,

1428
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 3: let's what if we try to do this ourselves. Man,

1429
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 3: I think we can be pretty much. I think we

1430
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 3: can do this.

1431
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 8: And so uh, you know Neo over here he ran

1432
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 8: the numbers through his matrix. He was like, yeah, man,

1433
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 8: so I think, yeah, I'm like, all right, fucking let's go.

1434
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 6: And so we did it.

1435
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 8: And so yeah, my first check, like our first statement

1436
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 8: off the first month of sales to Leave It All Behind,

1437
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 8: was like twenty five grand. That was more than I

1438
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 8: had seen off the last four or five Little Brother

1439
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 8: albums four three albums at that time.

1440
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 3: Wow, and so and It wasn't so much. It was

1441
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 3: again just.

1442
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 8: Having what I saw was just the transparency of like, listen, dude,

1443
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 8: if I owe you, if if I owe you a dollar,

1444
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 8: just show me a piece of paper showing that saying

1445
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 8: that how I owe you this dollar?

1446
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. But I had never had

1447
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 3: that at no point in my career. I know that

1448
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 3: moment was right fam. It was like four since hanging

1449
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 3: up in the studio.

1450
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 8: So so finally when we put out that record, man,

1451
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 8: that was really the start of our label. And we

1452
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,719
Speaker 8: started it in eight so this is like right around

1453
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 8: the time. This is like when the economy is like

1454
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 8: going crazy, right around the crash and everything. And I

1455
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 8: think my mentality was, I if we can launch a

1456
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 8: label during a fucking recession and survive, then we can

1457
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 8: make this ship.

1458
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 3: And it's been sixteen years, I got admit, Man, I

1459
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 3: say this with a little bit of shame.

1460
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 1: The two thousand and eight for that year, that was

1461
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 1: the first year that I actively voted in the Grammys,

1462
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 1: even the three that I won before, I didn't vote

1463
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: in that. Like, we just happened to win, but you know,

1464
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: it was on the road and I missed the ballot yeah.

1465
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 8: I tried to be a part like because after we

1466
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 8: got the nomination, they hit us it was like, hey,

1467
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 8: you know, do you want to be in whatever?

1468
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 3: And I'm like, all right, cool, But then I saw

1469
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 3: like you had to go to meetings and ship.

1470
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 9: I was like, I want to do this process itself

1471
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 9: is so like there's so much yeah stuff.

1472
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's politics, it's it was just a lot of

1473
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 8: things that I saw. It didn't really I just wanted

1474
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 8: to make music this period and that was just side

1475
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 8: of the game. I understood it, and I understood the

1476
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 8: importance of it. But yeah, I remember my my Grammy lesson.

1477
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 8: We were at like the Grammy post Grammy brunch or

1478
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 8: whatever for Grammy dinner or whatever, and I was in

1479
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:35,640
Speaker 8: line like greating to get some food and stuff. And

1480
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 8: it was this older lady that was in front of

1481
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 8: me and we just started talking and she was like, so,

1482
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 8: you know what what brings what you doing here? And

1483
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 8: I was like, yeah, my group for in Exchange. We

1484
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 8: were nominated for a Grammy and I said, you know

1485
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,719
Speaker 8: we lost this year. I said we lost to Indie.

1486
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 8: I re because that year we lost to uh Indi Ira.

1487
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 8: She did a cover of Pearls by Shade, and so

1488
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 8: she was just like, I'll never get it. I said, yeah,

1489
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 8: you know, we lost lost to India, you know what

1490
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 8: I mean. And she said, yeah, it's hard to vote

1491
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 8: against her. And I was just like, vote for Tracy Flick.

1492
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 8: I understand, you know what I mean, you know what

1493
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 8: I mean.

1494
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, you know what I mean.

1495
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 8: It's an election, you know what I mean. It's I'm like,

1496
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 8: I got it. It's this is a campaign. You know,

1497
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 8: It's not a meritocracy. And once I understood that, I

1498
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 8: was just like, Okay, cool. It wasn't no bitterness or nothing.

1499
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 8: I'm like, Okay, that's what the game is, you know

1500
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 8: what I mean.

1501
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 3: But but now, man, the.

1502
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 8: Grammy nod was no, it was. It was incredible. Just

1503
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 8: have that experience. And I think me and I we went,

1504
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 8: we had our suits and all that ship.

1505
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 3: I remember, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1506
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 4: There were two related memories, like you invited us to

1507
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 4: the Roots Jam Grammy Jam, which was a big We

1508
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 4: did day Keeper that night, but you also said it

1509
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 4: with us like I remember, like, so it was me

1510
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,560
Speaker 4: and Tay and Yazra on stage and I was just

1511
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 4: doing the keyboards and I remember hearing some drums at

1512
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 4: some point. This was not pre planned and you just

1513
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 4: sat in with us and it was like one of

1514
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 4: those things that I'll never forget because it was really

1515
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 4: kind of a It was a moment for us that

1516
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 4: felt like we were accepted by a larger Like obviously

1517
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 4: you had been a champion of us in general through

1518
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 4: Okay Player, but like it was kind of that moment

1519
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 4: where you realize, like, Okay, we might have a future

1520
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 4: in this, Like this might be you know, there were

1521
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 4: a lot of people that we.

1522
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 8: Met, nah seeing the getting props from the Ogs. I'm like,

1523
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 8: we did like we did Kissing Grind. We performed at

1524
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 8: Victor's thing, and we performed with a pickup band for

1525
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 8: the first and last time ever. We never doing that

1526
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 8: shit no more. But like, but during sound check, you know,

1527
01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 8: weird singing is me yahs. Yeah, it was me and

1528
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 8: Yards at that time. We I don't think Darien wasn't

1529
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 8: it was. It was just it was just me and

1530
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 8: y'alls are singing. And so afterwards, you know, I walk

1531
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 8: off stage and it's this lady there and I'm looking

1532
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 8: at trying to figure out who she is, and she's

1533
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 8: like that was some.

1534
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 3: Real singing right there, and I love that was some

1535
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 3: good singing.

1536
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 8: I like that it's fucking Anne Nesby from Sounds of Black,

1537
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 8: and I'm just like, holy shit, you know what I mean.

1538
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 3: So that's that was the year we met every like.

1539
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 4: Quincy Jones, Charlie Charlie will Wilson. Like it was really

1540
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 4: kind of we were rubbing shoulders with everybody that we admired,

1541
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 4: and we went to all of the events that you know,

1542
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 4: like the irony is like as a Grammy nominee, you

1543
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:44,599
Speaker 4: don't get to go for free.

1544
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 3: It's still a pricey endeavor.

1545
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 4: And we didn't really have the money to campaign, so

1546
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,600
Speaker 4: we just like, look, we're gonna go. We're gonna go

1547
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 4: to all of these events, like there's a producer thing

1548
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 4: at the Village Studio, like you know what I mean,

1549
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 4: like the things that you were very familiar with. We

1550
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 4: did hire a publicist to help us through the red

1551
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 4: carpet thing, like because that was like I recommended that

1552
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 4: we would to make the most of it.

1553
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 3: But it was kind of like one of.

1554
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 4: Those things where we realized, like as much fun as

1555
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 4: it is, like I don't know if we truly belong

1556
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 4: here and at the same time, the acceptance of it

1557
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 4: felt really good. I remember personally feeling very proud because

1558
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 4: this was something I could tell my parents and my family,

1559
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 4: and it made what I did very real versus like,

1560
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 4: oh I just make me you know what I mean.

1561
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 4: It was kind of thing in the United States. Yeah, right,

1562
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 4: It was a moment of like, Okay, this is like

1563
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 4: kind of a real thing, and so you know, but

1564
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 4: I haven't really ever pursued another number and that like

1565
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 4: like in the same way, because like, ultimately, I think

1566
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 4: we both realized that for us, it was much more

1567
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:58,480
Speaker 4: important to make the music versus being the campaigners.

1568
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 8: Like literally, as soon as it was over with, as

1569
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 8: soon as like, you know, Jam announced, you know, the

1570
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 8: India Wan for the joint, I think me and Nick

1571
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 8: just kind of look at Jones like, all right, bro,

1572
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 8: you're ready to get back in the studio.

1573
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 4: Looking like a lount of time.

1574
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1575
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 8: Well yeah, we were like all right with you the time.

1576
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 8: I'm like, yeah, we can you go back to the studio.

1577
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 8: He was just cool year with us.

1578
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 2: That was.

1579
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 4: The actual twenty ten Yeah, yeah.

1580
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 5: I'm dropping wah nine So yeah, twenty nine is one

1581
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 5: of the nominations twenty ten how hard was it for

1582
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 5: you to sort of uproot yourself from living over there

1583
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 5: in the Netherlands and coming to the.

1584
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 4: United States to be yeah, to be dead ass in

1585
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 4: the middle of it.

1586
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 3: Weird? Did you move?

1587
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 4: I moved in six Basically what happened was connected did

1588
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 4: really good.

1589
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 3: And bb our Man Eddie b was our.

1590
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,080
Speaker 4: A n R guy at like he was he and

1591
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 4: the American part of BBE, which we were. We never

1592
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 4: dealt with the UK guys so much. And Eddie had

1593
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 4: a vision of like a roster of releases that were

1594
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 4: all foreign exchange related, like a Nicola album, maybe a

1595
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 4: Darian album, maybe a Yazra album. And so he first

1596
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 4: brought up to me, he was like, look like, if

1597
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 4: you want, we could sponsor you.

1598
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 3: For a visa because that's what would be required. And

1599
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 3: so they ended up they ended up doing it.

1600
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 4: I realized that at the time, kind of going back

1601
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 4: to our conversation of how my sound was perceived, that

1602
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:41,600
Speaker 4: I knew that back in Europe I didn't have a

1603
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 4: chance to really pursue a music career, certainly not in

1604
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 4: a touring capacity or otherwise. And my dream was again

1605
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 4: like as this music that I saw as inherently American.

1606
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 4: It felt like it made sense to come to the

1607
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 4: States and pursue a music career, and so I was

1608
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 4: awarded with a one visa, which was a big deal.

1609
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, it involved leaving, like and that's what leave

1610
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 4: it All Behind partly alludes to. It did involve leaving

1611
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 4: my family, like my parents are still there, my brother

1612
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 4: and sister. So it's been it's been bittersweet in the

1613
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:23,560
Speaker 4: sense that it was the right decision to make, but

1614
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 4: it wasn't an easy decision to make, and it will

1615
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 4: always be something where I realized that I did have

1616
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 4: to leave something behind that that is not necessarily easy

1617
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 4: to replace.

1618
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 3: Which city did you?

1619
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 6: So?

1620
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 4: I moved to Wilmington, North Carolina.

1621
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 3: Because so this is kind of a yeah, yeah, it's

1622
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 3: a it's a beach beach sign right on.

1623
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 4: This just got like a cool, sort of quick anecdote

1624
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 4: that made me realize that North Carolina was kind of

1625
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,839
Speaker 4: always in my crosshairs. As a kid, I had a puzzle,

1626
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:58,600
Speaker 4: a jigsaw puzzle, and it was a mansion, just like

1627
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 4: a Southern man who would all to Magnolia's. And I

1628
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 4: really like jigsaw puzzles as a kid, and I would

1629
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 4: make this jigsaw puzzle.

1630
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 3: And basically what I.

1631
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 4: Found out once I moved to the Wilmington area was

1632
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:17,759
Speaker 4: that that mansion on that puzzle is actually a mansion

1633
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 4: that is there in that local area, which I would

1634
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:23,600
Speaker 4: have never known. So that made it almost like a

1635
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 4: serendipity kind of thing. I remember, like North Carolina had

1636
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,759
Speaker 4: this sort of magic to it by way of Fante

1637
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 4: and everybody that was there, like it seemed like foreign

1638
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 4: exchange already before I moved, was a North Carolinian group,

1639
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 4: and so he would talk about Raleigh, he would talk

1640
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 4: about Durham, and it always like I always thought, like

1641
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 4: what if one day I actually get to be there

1642
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 4: and sort of like know what that is like. And

1643
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 4: even yesterday we took a little trip to sort of

1644
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 4: see a lot of those early locations where Fonte is

1645
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 4: like first apartment after college.

1646
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 3: And I wrote all those songs.

1647
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, this near.

1648
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 3: So when I think of North Carolina and beach life,

1649
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 3: I think of Cape Fear.

1650
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, literally Cape here River.

1651
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 3: I'm on the k yeah for Taraka and I.

1652
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 1: The soundtrack to Organics is we get home from recording

1653
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 1: at like two three in the morning, we watched do

1654
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 1: the Right thing and Cape fear.

1655
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, like just night after night. It's weird selection. Yeah, yeah,

1656
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 3: that's the most opposite. Okay, sorry yo, No, it's just

1657
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:35,839
Speaker 3: like but it was a tradition.

1658
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 1: We would get famous same as cookies, a half gallon

1659
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,640
Speaker 1: of Barns juice and then you just get in the

1660
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 1: crib and put because the news will be on it.

1661
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 1: It's like ninety two, like you know, I mean, cable

1662
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: culture was sort of the thing, but you know, we

1663
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 1: didn't have like the Internet, so it's just like, all right,

1664
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 1: get your VHS tape that has to do the right

1665
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 1: thing and.

1666
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 3: Kp here like six in the morning, watch it every night.

1667
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:03,440
Speaker 4: So was that the remake or the original with gregor.

1668
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 3: Not like both versions, but Scorsese versions my favorite. Yeah yeah,

1669
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 3: yeah yeah.

1670
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 4: So back to your question, Like, it's been, like I think,

1671
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 4: in a lot of ways, like I've I've learned a

1672
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 4: lot about America in those years, a lot through the

1673
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 4: people that I've surrounded myself with. I came here sort

1674
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 4: of when it was Obama era, felt very yeah, I've

1675
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 4: been now through that going now right, So it's been

1676
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 4: really interesting. Obviously it's politically a completely different world from

1677
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:45,759
Speaker 4: what I'm used to, but that's a whole other story.

1678
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 3: But it's been. It's been interesting. It's been.

1679
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 2: Really.

1680
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 4: I often tell people that in order to appreciate where

1681
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 4: you're from, it is sometimes helpful to not be there

1682
01:25:57,160 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 4: for a while. And so, like, the interesting thing is,

1683
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 4: once I moved, I gained a much greater appreciation for

1684
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 4: where I'm from, going back, going back home, and it

1685
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 4: just all of a sudden started looking a little bit

1686
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:15,520
Speaker 4: like different. And that's been. That's been very interesting.

1687
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 3: All right.

1688
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 1: So to wrap it up, this is a for me

1689
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 1: in an important moment in development history, and hopefully you know,

1690
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,679
Speaker 1: history is kind to you guys in terms of really

1691
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 1: acknowledging how early guys were in the game of how

1692
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 1: we now make music, Like you know, you guys were

1693
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:40,719
Speaker 1: so early, and this this level of the first digital generation,

1694
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: pre SoundCloud.

1695
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 3: Pre you know, like pre Gmail, yes, right, social media Google?

1696
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 3: Like what was Google back then? So no, man, it

1697
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 3: was really not it was okay, player really was.

1698
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 8: I mean, it was just you know, I don't think

1699
01:26:56,760 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 8: y'all understood what y'all built, but you know it really was, uh,

1700
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 8: you know, just you were able to really find your

1701
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 8: tribe there, and you know, I don't think Nick and

1702
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 8: I would have found each other on any other site.

1703
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 3: We wasn't wouldn't found each other on you know, anywhere else.

1704
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 8: It was just that fucking online asylum that is, okay, player,

1705
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 8: we found each other and uh you know our movement

1706
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 8: with Fie, it really was a lot of it was

1707
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 8: inspired you know by so Quariums of course, by you know,

1708
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 8: Dungeon family, just understanding the power of having a crew

1709
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 8: and that y'all each work to make each other better

1710
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 8: and like collaborate with each other, and you know, you're

1711
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 8: able to keep records out without burning yourself out.

1712
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1713
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 8: If like, if you got to do a fantee solo

1714
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 8: album every year for five years, you done, like it's over,

1715
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. But if it's okay, I

1716
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 8: got feel Yeah, we can produce for other people, we

1717
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 8: can write, we can do things, you know, we can

1718
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 8: do sesame street songs like you know what I mean.

1719
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 3: All kind of so so now I'm man.

1720
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 8: It was that that level of community was certainly influenced

1721
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 8: by uh so aquarians again, you know, organized noise, just

1722
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 8: all of just those big collectors just you know, just

1723
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 8: seeing seeing y'all in that that vibe, the infamous vibe picture.

1724
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean it got us real though, but yeah,

1725
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 3: but seeing that and being like, okay, like we can

1726
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 3: do that, and y'all's a right.

1727
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:28,759
Speaker 8: At the time, she was singing for Erica Team background

1728
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 8: for Erica, So she was one of the first people

1729
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 8: that I saw as a professional musician and like saw

1730
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 8: what that grind was, like you know what I mean,

1731
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 8: and so yeah, man, yeah, I'm just thankful.

1732
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 3: But you know, it was all came full circle.

1733
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna have to also do like a part

1734
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 1: two stories because we didn't even get to my favorite

1735
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:48,560
Speaker 1: like getting you talked about flying colors or or like

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Speaker 1: authenticity or like any of my my favorite moments off

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Speaker 1: the records.

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Speaker 6: But could you a part you on online or whatever?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely, yeah, yeah, they do it online. Do it

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Speaker 3: for the shame?

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Speaker 6: That would makes sense actually right right right.

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Speaker 3: At one time we said, definitely did it that way?

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Speaker 3: All right, go back home, both, y'all.

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Speaker 1: No, I want be having a okay player, Yes, thank you, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I want to be having a k play and then

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Speaker 1: won't be haalf of q ls uh Bill, Steve, Wait.

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Speaker 3: Where did like to go?

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Speaker 1: She was just here, Uh myself and of course like

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Speaker 1: the Famo of the q l S. Thanks Foreign Exchange

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Speaker 1: for joining us for this episode. That person episode of

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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme. We'll see on the next go around.

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Speaker 3: Y'all peace, Thank you for listening to Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 8: This podcast is hosted by a Mere Quest Love Thompson,

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Speaker 8: Big Boss Man, Light Here, Saint Clair, So Black and

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Speaker 8: the Black, Myself, Fan, tigelow Fante Goldman Sugar.

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Speaker 3: Steve Mandell, and Unpaid Bill Sherman.

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Speaker 8: The executive producers are a Mere Quest Love Thompson, Sean

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Speaker 8: g and Be Unbothered Brian Calhoun. Produced by Britta and

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Speaker 8: Benjamin my dog cousin, Jake Payne, my motherfucking man, and

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Speaker 8: like is Saint Clair my work wife.

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Speaker 3: Edited by Alex Conroy. Produced for iHeart by Noel Brown.

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Speaker 3: What's Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio. For

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