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Speaker 1: Welcome back batch our Happy Hour listeners, and I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited for this week because I have my girl Tasia

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Speaker 1: back once again. And Tasha, this episode was a doozy.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe I just said doozy, but like, there

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Speaker 1: was so much that I am glad that you're back

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Speaker 1: with me to give me the lowdown because you were

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Speaker 1: obviously there. Yeah, okay, Well, first of all, yes, I

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Speaker 1: am back and I missed you and I wasn't here

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Speaker 1: last week. But I am ready to get into this

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Speaker 1: episode because it's loaded. It's a doozy, it's loaded. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot to talk about, and I think one of

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Speaker 1: those people start with the tea. Well before we get

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Speaker 1: into that, I'm just we have an incredible guest joining

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Speaker 1: us today. He's not on quite yet, so Tashia and

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Speaker 1: I will give you a little rundown, we'll recap, we'll

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Speaker 1: get into it um, but later we'll have Mike p

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Speaker 1: and he has been such a pillar of strength and

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Speaker 1: honesty and just take care amongst all of these men,

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Speaker 1: and so I can't wait to hear more from him.

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Speaker 1: But before that, we just have to get into this episode.

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Speaker 1: And I was thinking about it, I'm like after watching

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Speaker 1: last night's episode, is this Katie season or is this Thomas' season?

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Speaker 1: Because a lot of screen time. He got so much

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Speaker 1: screen time. I swear Thomas's name was mentioned more last

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Speaker 1: night than Katie's was. And I'm just like, and we'll

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Speaker 1: get into it towards the end, like I want to

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Speaker 1: cover some of the more fun stuff because one of

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Speaker 1: my antation I've talked about this, but one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite dates are these truth or dared dates, like we

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Speaker 1: saw with Tatia's season last year when Sidney and I

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Speaker 1: came out and we put the guys through the ringer

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Speaker 1: if you will. But I swear to god, they literally

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Speaker 1: took the script that we had for your date last

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Speaker 1: year and just handed it off to you and Caitlin.

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Speaker 1: But that's because it was so good, Like it was

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Speaker 1: just so good. Not do it again? I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: who does it want to see the men wax random

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Speaker 1: parts of their body? Who doesn't want to see the

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Speaker 1: men cry and eat hobb and air peppers and try

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Speaker 1: to professor love? Who doesn't want to see the guys

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Speaker 1: eat a freaking carb when they haven't had a carb

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Speaker 1: in the last seven years? Exactly? You know what I mean? Like,

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Speaker 1: it was just such a good date that you and

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Speaker 1: Sydney hosted for me. I just wanted to, you know,

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Speaker 1: bring it back, pass on a little bit of the

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Speaker 1: love and the laughs. Yeah. No, it is so entertaining.

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Speaker 1: I love when like the guys kind of have to

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Speaker 1: split up and do all these different things. It's just

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Speaker 1: like there's so much to watch and it's fun, but

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Speaker 1: it's also lighthearted, and there was just so much I

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Speaker 1: think heaviness from the past week and with the drama

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Speaker 1: going down with the men and Thomas right now, that

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Speaker 1: I think that this was the perfect date at the

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Speaker 1: perfect time that you and Caitlin bright out to her

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Speaker 1: because I think Katie just needed a break. She just

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Speaker 1: needed to let loose. She needed to have fun. You

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Speaker 1: need to laugh, and he needed to funny parts of

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Speaker 1: these guys and exactly it's been too heavy man. No,

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Speaker 1: it was so funny though. I was just like, I

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Speaker 1: think I think Tasia took my line, but I'm not. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: we saw different parts of it, like the men had

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Speaker 1: to eat some weird food, they had to tell a

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Speaker 1: you know, like a little central secret. They had to

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Speaker 1: wax each other, they had to eat hot peppers out

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Speaker 1: of all of those little competitions, what was your favorite

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Speaker 1: to personally watch or hear? Oh my gosh, the sweet

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Speaker 1: Nothings when they had to whisper in that ear. It's

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Speaker 1: so funny though, like you know how like Greg says,

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Speaker 1: like can you hear this? We're like no, like jior thing.

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Speaker 1: The speaker was literally at our feet feeding us like

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Speaker 1: trying to like look at the sky, like look at

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Speaker 1: at them because we were dying laughing, and we just

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Speaker 1: wanted them to like whisper the weirdest things. They did

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Speaker 1: not disappoint. And all I have to say is what

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Speaker 1: the hectics Florida and New York and New Jersey have

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, is this a history? Like what are

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Speaker 1: So like miss the ball on that one. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: please tell me what New Jersey has to do with

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Speaker 1: all of this. And my favorite part was, like Greg

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Speaker 1: right one of the best, I mean honestly, like, I

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Speaker 1: hope they keep these coming because they're just so good.

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Speaker 1: You get a mix of the dares and then you

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Speaker 1: also give it to the truth later on, which we

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Speaker 1: definitely signed to. The after party, I mean, we saw

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Speaker 1: some great conversations between her and the men, I mean

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Speaker 1: andrew S and his just like he's just funny, damn heart. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you just like everything about him. I'm just like, I

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Speaker 1: just love watching him on the screen because he's funny,

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Speaker 1: he's articulate, he can open up, he makes Katie feel great.

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Speaker 1: He's all the things. And then we also see Greg

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Speaker 1: who you know, Florida, Texas, New Jersey aside he is

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Speaker 1: it's still early on, like he actually shows why and

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Speaker 1: how this works and the like when he says he

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like he's faking it. I feel like

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Speaker 1: he's actually there for Katie, for the real deal, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's something beautiful. We also saw a little

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Speaker 1: bit of I don't I wouldn't even say drama, but

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Speaker 1: just uncomfortable conversations between Katie and Trey. He obviously revealed

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Speaker 1: some stuff about Thomas. We see Trey and andrew Es

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Speaker 1: get into it. There was just a lot to unpack. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: Trey ended up getting that rose. But overall, I feel

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Speaker 1: like it was just a pretty solid, straightforward day and night,

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Speaker 1: like nothing too crazy, which I think she needed before.

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Speaker 1: You know, I would call it like the column before

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Speaker 1: the storm, right, Yeah, it wasn't too crazy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I feel like the conversation that happened between Trey and

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Speaker 1: like because normally that's not a conversation we're privy to

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Speaker 1: ever listening to as bachelorettes, And it was just really

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Speaker 1: interesting hearing them and like their thought process behind do

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Speaker 1: I go tell her or do I not go tell her?

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Speaker 1: And I don't know like what you would have felt

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Speaker 1: I'm like I would like to know because these are

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Speaker 1: the things that I'm not saying clearly, and like obviously

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Speaker 1: just like right, let it all out there, like let's

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Speaker 1: like Drava really really goes down. We obviously see my

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Speaker 1: about somebody being here from your past. He seemed very

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Speaker 1: sweet when he sat down with Katie the first time,

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Speaker 1: and then I found it like I was. I thought

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Speaker 1: I was adorable. When Katy knocked on his door at

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Speaker 1: the end and he showed up naked, He's like, I

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Speaker 1: though it was very cute. So, I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to see kind of where this goes, how

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Speaker 1: the men will receive him next week when he actually

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Speaker 1: you know, moves in into the resort with them. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you guys, let's get into it though, because there's a

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Speaker 1: big elephant in the room that we have to address

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Speaker 1: and the boy. Obviously, a huge chunk of last night's

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Speaker 1: episode dealt with not only Katie but Thomas and the

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Speaker 1: fact that many men you know, went to Katie with

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Speaker 1: their concerns about him admitting that, yes, he came here

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Speaker 1: for a platform and has considered being the Bachelor. I

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Speaker 1: guess I'm confused because plaining to your point earlier, I,

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Speaker 1: But I've been thinking about this over and over, and

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Speaker 1: it's like, what actually constitutes as a villain quote unquote

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Speaker 1: a villain on the show, because last season we saw

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Speaker 1: somebody who was labeled as a villain who actually said

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Speaker 1: some terrible things, you know, like the word horror and

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Speaker 1: sluts and hoes were being thrown around, and that was

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Speaker 1: all obviously caught and portrayed to the group of women,

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Speaker 1: and that was offensive. And I'm not condoning what Thomas

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Speaker 1: went Therefore, I'm not saying, oh, it's okay that he

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Speaker 1: said he wanted to be the Bachelor. That is not

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Speaker 1: what I'm getting at. But he was directly asked, have

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Speaker 1: he did answer honestly, which, as we see, got him

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Speaker 1: into a load of trouble. But I'm thinking, like, there

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Speaker 1: are things that come off of this show that everyone's

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Speaker 1: aware about. Obviously, after each season, somebody is going to

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Speaker 1: become influencers. People are going to be promoting brands and

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Speaker 1: interesting to me to see how extreme and heightened this

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Speaker 1: have been a topic of conversation. It definitely should have been.

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Speaker 1: It definitely should have been brought to Katie's attention. But

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Speaker 1: an issue with like not only the amount of times

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Speaker 1: that like manipulative, the term manipulative was thrown around, but

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Speaker 1: like Thomas was called a psycho and cancer and for me,

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Speaker 1: actually is when people say that exactly like I'm sorry, everyone,

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Speaker 1: cancer took my dad away. From me, like cancer took

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Speaker 1: people I loved a way for me, And so I

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Speaker 1: have such a problem with men and women on this

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Speaker 1: show spewing out certain words and terms and phrases that

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Speaker 1: perpetuate the cycle of hate and drama to an extent

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Speaker 1: that doesn't need to be as extreme as I think

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Speaker 1: it is. And that's what I have an issue with,

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Speaker 1: is like, should Thomas have maybe gone home? Yes? Did

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Speaker 1: Katie handle things properly, yes, But the conversation around it

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Speaker 1: to me feel so disconnected for what actually took place,

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Speaker 1: and that's where I'm struggling with. So like, that's why

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Speaker 1: I'm happy I have you to talk through this and

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Speaker 1: maybe give me more insight if you know anything, because well,

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Speaker 1: I think it's very I'm actually so happy you brought

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Speaker 1: this up because I don't think like in the setting,

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Speaker 1: I don't people say that the magnitude that those words

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Speaker 1: because people actually yes, because people actually take these words

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Speaker 1: like whoever watched the episode and like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: that guy is cancer and that is what they associate

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Speaker 1: And it's just because that word was just said I

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Speaker 1: hate it when people just say words about people without

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Speaker 1: thinking and without just being selfish. Right, they could just

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Speaker 1: say like he's not here for the right reasons. He's

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Speaker 1: being I don't know, like manipulative. Okay, well, the thing

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Speaker 1: is he is. He was being a little bit manipulative

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Speaker 1: with like the guys and how he was talking. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, she is the strength of that woman. First

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00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 1: of all, is incredible. She's she's unbelie. But it makes

430
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 1: more sense why she is so open about it. And

431
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: I think sometimes patience has to come when you're when

432
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: you don't know these things about those people. And sometimes

433
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 1: I feel like it should be, you know, let's get

434
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 1: to know that person first, Let's get to understand how

435
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: their mind works. Let's get to understand what they even like.

436
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: We're all different, right, so it could be one thing

437
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: with with with um, you know another partner, could be

438
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: another thing with another partner. So I think it's that's

439
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: one thing that Katie and I as time goes goes on,

440
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 1: you'll see it's like we communicate to those things and

441
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: we understand that, like, hey, I want to know what

442
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: you like. I can care less what everyone else likes.

443
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm here to get to know you. Yeah, I think

444
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: walking parents, I know every girl wants to hear that,

445
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 1: But I think it's amazing of your parents to also

446
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: like not make sex seem like such a scary subject

447
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: and like, have you guys all be comfortable with it?

448
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 1: Just because you're a vision doesn't mean that you're not

449
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: knowledgeable and that it doesn't interest you and that you

450
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: don't talk about it freely with your family, like it

451
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: shouldn't be like this scary topic, you know, And that's

452
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 1: that's exciting. Well, And the funny funny part is a

453
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: lot of people that know my family, Um, I think

454
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it work. I think it

455
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 1: would have been a shock factor if people saw my

456
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: you know, uh you know, and we'll interactions, if they

457
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 1: saw my family's interactions in public, you know, like if

458
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: they were to see us at like a dinner table

459
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: at a restaurant, they would be like, I would have

460
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: never guessed, you know that, Mike, don't get your family

461
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: in trouble. Are they going to listen to what are

462
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: you saying about our family? Sure, because they'll be the

463
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: first ones to say it, you know, they'll be like,

464
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's just funny because one of my friends,

465
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: he actually says that perfect Key's like you guys are

466
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 1: the raunchiest cleaned his family I've ever seen. He's like,

467
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: you guys talk about everything. You know. You went on

468
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: the greatest lever of all time time date with Heather McDonald.

469
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 1: That's when we kind of saw you at first. We

470
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 1: could tell you were very hesitant, very nervous. You were like,

471
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 1: how do I go about this date? You know, how

472
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: do I express where I'm at in my sexuality and

473
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: what I want in my future, you know, without making

474
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: anyone feel uncomfortable? And it also has to be so

475
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: coutasu to share that with the world, not only with

476
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: a partner that you're dating, but with all of us

477
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: has to be incredibly daunting. So thank you for sharing

478
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: that that letter that you wrote to Katie because I

479
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: found it absolutely beautiful. But yeah, Patient, I talked about

480
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: it a couple of weeks ago, and I was just like, man,

481
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: this guy like to be able to do that and

482
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: to be able to just like make it so intimate

483
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: and to Katie especially, was something truly truly special. Um,

484
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: something I don't think I've ever seen on the show before.

485
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: But going into that, how are you feeling? Yeah, you know, Um,

486
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: I had a feeling at some point, you know the topic.

487
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: It was going to be brought up, of course, as

488
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: it should. Um, I don't think I thought it was

489
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: going to be that quick and and and I want

490
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 1: to make this perfectly clear. I think the dilemma that

491
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: I was probably where it looked like I was stressed,

492
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: and um, I think it was something where I wanted

493
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: Katie from the bottom of my heart. I wanted her

494
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: to understand the why. And I think I wanted her

495
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 1: to feel so seen and so honored and not you know,

496
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: because I had a dilemma. It was like, Okay, if

497
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: I handled this in a way that that if I

498
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: expressed myself because like everyone that knows me, like all

499
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: my family and friends, like I have no I'm going

500
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: up there and doing a magic Mike dance. I have

501
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: no problem doing that because like that's my personality, right.

502
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: But I wanted I didn't know yet, I didn't know

503
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: Katie yet. I didn't know if that's even something that

504
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: she wanted. And I wanted I wanted to honor that

505
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: that space for her of like, okay, well, how how

506
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: can I speak to her because I don't know these things?

507
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: How can I speak to her to where she feels

508
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: completely seen um and and I think and I'll share

509
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm intimate with you here too, I think was it

510
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: was tough for me because I I I wanted like

511
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 1: what I pictured her as is I pictured her as

512
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: my future wife. I was like, Okay, if I see

513
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: her up here, how would I how would I want

514
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: her to feel honored? Right? Like? How would I want

515
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: her if if I'm say her future husband, how would

516
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: she want me to approach this? Would she want me

517
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: to share certain things that maybe will be you know,

518
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: for us in the future in front of everybody, which

519
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: you want me to speak to your heart? I didn't

520
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: know these things, and I think I just wanted her

521
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: to feel safe in that spot. And that's why I

522
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: was like, what a lot of people don't know is

523
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: you'll laugh. But I actually write my wife every day,

524
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: so like what I'll do is I was like I

525
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: was thinking about I'm like, okay, well how can I

526
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: how can I show her, you know, something that is intimate?

527
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, you speak to her every day,

528
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: you might as well just write to her and and

529
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: you might as well just show her exactly what you

530
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: talk to her about every day. And I think when

531
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: and that was the tough part is it to do

532
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: or die moment? You don't know. I didn't fully know

533
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: Katie yet, I didn't know how she would respond, And

534
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: I think it was that moment where she responded the

535
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: way that she did, where I was like, Okay, you're

536
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: somebody I'm interested in. And because I'm a big believer

537
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 1: like how you how you treat people and how you

538
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: love people, I'm a big believer in actions, like words

539
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: are great, but I want action, And the way she responded,

540
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: you could just tell her heart. I was like, oh,

541
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: my heart melted. I was like, oh, I was like

542
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: this girl right now. And I just think that's an

543
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: inssessment to her, Like she created a safe space for

544
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: me and I was able to then be myself because

545
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: I can only be myself. I'm too stubborn, right, So

546
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I gotta be me. So I

547
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: went in there and I was like, you know, this

548
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: is how it has to go. Yeah, And I think

549
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: that was the moment again where she was just like, Okay,

550
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: you're not afraid to do that. And the funny part

551
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: about it, we spoke later that night and she was like, yeah,

552
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: it's pretty baldy of you to say that in front

553
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: the world, and I was like, to be honest, Katie,

554
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: And this sounds cheesy, but I was like, I only

555
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: saw you in that moment. I was like, I was

556
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 1: not thinking about the guys. I wasn't thinking about the

557
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: world hearing this, Like I wanted you to understand my why,

558
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: because if you don't understand my why, I'm just gonna

559
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: look like a guy that's very different from you that

560
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be to connect with. And that's the

561
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: harthest thing, you know from the truth. Well, it obviously

562
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: worked in your favor because you won that group date.

563
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: You won, I think, Katie over, you won't basically all

564
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: of America watching over, and so it worked for you.

565
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: But I definitely think like it seems like you're very

566
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: intentional with your words and your thoughts, and that came

567
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: across like I didn't didn't leave anyone wondering of like, Okay,

568
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: we're missing something here, you know, like these two aren't

569
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: adding up. Like it was very aligned, which would I say?

570
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: It was an incredible beautiful thing to see on this show.

571
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: It truly was going back to how just great and

572
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: articulate you are with your words. We saw you at

573
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: the last Row ceremony kind of speak out for the

574
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: group when you accepted that Rose and I don't think

575
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: that's something we've ever really seen before either. What compelled

576
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: you to do that, like what compelled you to be

577
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: the voice of the group. Was it something that you

578
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: just chose to do or that you spoke with the

579
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: men beforehand on? Yeah, well, first and foremost, there are

580
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys are great guys that want

581
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: Katie to feel you know, this is what we talked about.

582
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: We said we it's our job. You know, she's a

583
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: strong enough woman. She can make the decisions for herself,

584
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: like she she did not need our help. She's smart,

585
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: she knows exactly what she's doing. But I still think

586
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that you shouldn't always try to create

587
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: an atmosphere that's conducing to her finding love. This is

588
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: her journey, and you know, I can only imagine how

589
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: stressful it is for her to have to choose from

590
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: all of us, because I know how tough it is

591
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: when it's just me, right, So I think for us

592
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: is I again, I have three sisters, while your part

593
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: I always in my mind would be like, okay, how

594
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: how can I create an atmosphere for them to you know,

595
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: feel heard, for them to if do they need humor

596
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: do they need a safe spot? I don't know how

597
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: do I figure this out? Right? And Katie was stressed

598
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: and rightfully so, I mean, she was going through some

599
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: stuff that she didn't she didn't have to go through.

600
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: And I think that was the moment where like, again

601
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm about action, I was like, okay, well, and again

602
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know how anything works. So I was like, well,

603
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: if there's bis going on in the house, like I'm

604
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: not gonna put up with it, so I might as

605
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: well just say it. And I felt like that was

606
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: the moment where you know, all those guys were like, hey,

607
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: this isn't okay. So I was like, well, I guess

608
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to say something because if it's not okay,

609
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, then she needs to know. And what I

610
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: wanted Katie understand too, is I wasn't there just to

611
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: receive a rose. I wanted her to understand that, like, listen,

612
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: I will risk everything for you if that means that

613
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna get your person, whether that's me or not.

614
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: And I think that was something where you'll see that

615
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe in that moment. Again, I had

616
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: no idea that a moment like that. Maybe it never happened,

617
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: But it wasn't just me that felt that way. You know,

618
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: all the guys were like, Hey, this is something where

619
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: it's it's taking away from the love that she's searching for,

620
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: and it's our job to make sure that all those

621
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: distractions are gone so that she can have the space

622
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: to find that for herself, because she she is a

623
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: strong woman where she's like not gonna put up with anything,

624
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,239
Speaker 1: but there's certain things she shouldn't have to deal with

625
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: that we could take care of in house. And I

626
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: think that was a moment that kind of showed where

627
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: we were like, we're going to do that. Yeah. Did

628
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: How did the guys receive it afterwards? Were they appreciative?

629
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: Where because they have that back? Yeah? You know, um,

630
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 1: you know it's funny because some of us were like,

631
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: I think the consensus was like, Okay, whoever, whoever feels

632
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: comfortable right, um, you know that's that's can go up

633
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: there and say it. And I think it just a

634
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: line where I was the one where I was like, listen,

635
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: hasn't been said yet. I this is what's going on.

636
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, it's something that we should do.

637
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: And then after the guys were like, you know, hey, man,

638
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: like good on you, you know, but I know there's

639
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: a there was some great men and that would have

640
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: done the same thing. Um, I just think it just

641
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: a line where that was I guess my time to

642
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: do it, but I didn't. I wanted it to come

643
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: across where it wasn't taking away from our trust and

644
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: her as well. And that was a tough Again, that

645
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: was a tough situation where it was like, Okay, Katie,

646
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: you're smart, you don't need our help, but I think

647
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: you should have all the information so that you can

648
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: make the decision for yourself. And that's all us guys wanted.

649
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: And that's what we talked about. Like there was a

650
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: It's funny when when I was watching it back, I

651
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: saw a moment with Michael and actually Justin was behind

652
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: me and Michael goes, now, how do you feel about it?

653
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm like, listen, I just want the

654
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: best for her. And they felt the same way, justin

655
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: same thing. And I think that was the the overall

656
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: reaction from the guys. Okay, I see this is the

657
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: difference of how the guys act when they haven't watched

658
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: a show. I don't think a guy that would have

659
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: like watched a show in the past would have stepped

660
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: in and said, like, Katie, I need you to know

661
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: this right here, right now. But I think it was

662
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: the right thing to do. But I don't think that

663
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: they would have done that. I think they would have

664
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: played yeah I had at the Rose ceremony or you

665
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I just would have been very different,

666
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, I will play when people know more, they're

667
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: kind of more buttoned up and they're like, Okay, this

668
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: doesn't happen now, so I'm not going to do it.

669
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: So I mean, you guys, like I really feel like

670
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: this season, you guys are kind of really paving the

671
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: way and making your own in a weird way, Like

672
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: we've seen certain things that don't always happen when they're

673
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: supposed to or were like when viewers think they will.

674
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: So I appreciate it. I mean, it keeps me on

675
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: my toes as a viewer, So it's great. Um, Okay,

676
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: I want to get into last night's State because it

677
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: was one of my favorites. It looked so fun. Obviously

678
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: you were on that truth or dare date with some

679
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: of the men and you had to eat what eleven

680
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: or twelve twinkies? Yeah, sooth eat the whole plate, but

681
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: twelve works. The funniest part is, you know tis they

682
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: were sitting a little further away from us, and the

683
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: laughs you guys were it was like laughing at our pain,

684
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: and it made it so funny for us because I

685
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: was like, should I keep going? Like should I keep

686
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: eating away? Keep going? And the funny part and this

687
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: is disgusting, but anyway, I'll say it. Anyways, So Connor

688
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: and I we were we were partners, and I couldn't

689
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: get the twinkies down because like they're thick, and I'm like, okay,

690
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: I can only eat so fast. So Connor's like, hey,

691
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: let's get the twinkie and water. So I was like, okay,

692
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: let's try it. He did it. I almost threw up.

693
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: It tastes like a bugger. I was like, it was

694
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: just like swiny. I was like this with no and

695
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: I literally started. I was like, dud, don't do that,

696
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: Like I will puke on the spot if you if

697
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: we do that. But the hardest part about it, though,

698
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: is we followed it up with the peppers, and that

699
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: was where I was like, I had never had a

700
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: pepper before. I'm like, which is wild? How have you

701
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: never had a pepper? That's what I'm saying. I'm such

702
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: a basic eater. I don't like you don't like spicy food.

703
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: Well that's the funny part. Like I do because I'm

704
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: from Arizona and I grew up on spice. But I

705
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: just never am just eating a raw pepper just it's

706
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: just good, right. I don't think that's normal. But well,

707
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: one thing that I loved too is you said when

708
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 1: you were eating the twinkies, you were like, I haven't

709
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: had a carbon? What seven years? I want to get

710
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: that show. The self controlled that this man has in

711
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: his life right now is unbelievable. Are you lying when

712
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: you say you've really you haven't had a carbon seven years?

713
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: You've had a pasta or bread or something. No, I

714
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: was actually saying a movie quote and it was like

715
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: it was it was something. It was something where I

716
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: was like, I just I was joking around. But but

717
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: I think for me, in all kidding aside, like I

718
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 1: probably had not had a Twinkie since I was probably

719
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: eight years old, and yeah, i'd forgotten it, and then

720
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: it was like, okay, crush them right, But no, it

721
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: was it was something where I when I look at

722
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: the rest of the things that were picked, I think

723
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: I kind of got like, I kind of got that

724
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: I would have loved I would I would have ate

725
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: the whole plate. I would have kept going. But the

726
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: mashed potatoes cake, I guess. Okay, so that's that's the thing,

727
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: that the mashed potatoes. Like I'm a big texture guy,

728
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: so like I would have puked if I ate that much.

729
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: I hate mashed potatoes. What I can't I love my shrug,

730
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: my face and apple of potatoes. Okay, So Mike, obviously

731
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot that went down in this episode. Um,

732
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: and had a pretty explosive roast ceremony. What can we

733
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: expect next? Without giving too much away, give us like

734
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: a little tease, Yeah, that rose ceremony. Um, how do

735
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: we explain that? Um? Yeah? I The best way I

736
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: could say is like, it's just not what I expected.

737
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: I honestly, because things happen where you're like, oh, okay,

738
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: all right, I guess that's it. And then it was like, Okay,

739
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: that's not it, and like my like our reactions went

740
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: from like we trust her and then it was like

741
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: oh whoa, okay, all right, like let like, okay, we

742
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: do trust her, like and I think it, you know,

743
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: I think it said a press it for the rest

744
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: of the season, to be honest, where it was like, hey,

745
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm not here to play games, and if you are

746
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: going to play games, then I'm gonna handle it, and

747
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: um and as you should. You know, that's the tough

748
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: the tough spaces. You know, it's hard because you always

749
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: want the best for everybody, right, but then there's certain

750
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: things where I don't know what conversations are being had,

751
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, between two other people. I don't know what

752
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: conversations are being had with you know, someone else and

753
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: some of the other guys. And that's the point where

754
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: you really do have to put your trust in Katie

755
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: and be like, Okay, you've discerned enough in this to

756
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: where you feel comfortable making this decision. And that's one

757
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: of those moments where it's like, Okay, you know, she

758
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: made her decision. And I think sometimes there has to

759
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: be moments like that where you put your foot down

760
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: and you're like, hey, you know this is this is

761
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: this is who I am and I'm not going to

762
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: let you guys walk all over me, and she made

763
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: that very clear. Now going through both sides of you

764
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: feeling and watching it air like how we're seeing it

765
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: go down, is that actually how it was? Or did

766
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: it seem a bit more team and not as extreme

767
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: and now it's just being blown up because you know,

768
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: maybe it was a slow news week. I don't know. Yeah,

769
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: that's a great question. I think it's it's hard for

770
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: me because there's a lot of things that I didn't see,

771
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: and when you when you're seeing it for the first time, um,

772
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: it can come across as shocking. But then but then

773
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: you also know guys in the house too, so I think,

774
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, Michael Michael A said this perfect. At the

775
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: end of the day, we all are people, like all

776
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: of us are people, and we all have certain, uh

777
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 1: you know, moments in life where you know, whether we're

778
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: not proud of or maybe we just didn't know how

779
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: to react. And I think, um, the one thing that

780
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: I watched and it was maybe in a moment where

781
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it looks he looks a little

782
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: stressed right now, right where it's like, uh, like I'll

783
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: use Thomas as an example last week where it was

784
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: like you could tell he was like, oh, I'm stressed,

785
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: and um, that's a hard position to be in, you know,

786
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: it's a it's a I want the best, right, but

787
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: I want everybody to have a fair shake, because no

788
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: one I could one thing I will say about this season.

789
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: No one's a bad bad guy, no one was. I

790
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: just think sometimes we make decisions where it's like, oh,

791
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: that was a little bit questionable, and and the other

792
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: person is entitled to how they received that and how

793
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: they feel. What I would encourage people to do is

794
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: is I always like to try to put myself in

795
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: somebody else's shoes. Right, It's like, how would I feel

796
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: in that situation? Would I would I be overwhelmed with

797
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of stress? Would I be you know

798
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: somebody that maybe said something I didn't mean, or or

799
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: maybe I maybe I did say something and it came

800
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: across wrong, right. And I think that's the really hard

801
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: thing to watch is because I have a lot of

802
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: love for these guys, like these are like my brothers,

803
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: and it's hard to watch sometimes because you're like, oh, man,

804
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: I know that's probably not what you meant. Or sometimes

805
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: you're like Ooh, I actually didn't know that's what you

806
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: actually thought. So it is tough to watch and I

807
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: think but I will say, just like Michael said, is

808
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: like I think we should show a little bit of

809
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: grace and patience because sometimes these situations can be a

810
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: little overwhelming. But I do think that it is important

811
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: to also watch, like there a lot of moments that

812
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: I do where I'm kind of like, oh, that's not

813
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: maybe your best reaction, where I like to kind of

814
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: take a step back and be like, how could you

815
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: have handled that better? And I think these are things

816
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: like as men in our group, like I think we'll

817
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: we'll be honest with each other and have open conversations

818
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: to where like maybe like could you see maybe how

819
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: that was or or what were you thinking in that moment?

820
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's a space that we should create

821
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: to where you know, us as men can one learn

822
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: from our mistakes or actually understand where we were actually

823
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: trying to come from. You know, I do want to say,

824
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: like before we let you go, you spoke so eloquently

825
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: about like your why, and I know I admire you

826
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: being able to seek about your truth. I know probably

827
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: Becca does too, but it's so different seeing a man

828
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: feels so confident and strong and talking about being a

829
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: virgin and like not being ashamed of it. And I

830
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: think that that's something that can help a lot of people.

831
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've received a lot of dms of people

832
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: feeling very you know, empowered by what by what you

833
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: said and how confident you are. What advice would you

834
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: have to I want to see people but also like

835
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: especially males that are virgins, and yeah, you know, it's

836
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: funny you reach or you talked about, you know, people

837
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: reaching out. That has been the overall message that people

838
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: have been coming across with me is I'm a big

839
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: believer that like God puts you in positions for certain reasons, right,

840
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: And I think I was somebody that needed to meet

841
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: an incredible woman to show me a lot about myself,

842
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: right And for me maybe maybe just my story was

843
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: something where people could understand, like, you know, why am

844
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: I doing this? And I think the why is a

845
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: huge thing. For anything to be sustainable, you have to

846
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: understand your why. If you don't understand the why to it,

847
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: then you will you'll fall off on it. But but

848
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: if you're convicted by the why and you and you

849
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: have an understanding and the why I think it makes

850
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: it so much easier to then be able to to

851
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: sustain that right. And I think I'll speak to two

852
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: different parts of this. I think with the message I've

853
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: heard from women is I didn't know guys like you exist.

854
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: And in my mind, I'm like, I am so flawed

855
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: that I'm like no, no, no, like, do not put

856
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: me on a pedestal like I am somebody that is

857
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: extremely flawed. I just I'm convicted and what I want

858
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: this gift to be to my wife and there's and

859
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: I am not just the virgin, like I am somebody that,

860
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: like I have so much more to offer, and I

861
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: don't want it to be put in a box right

862
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: like I want it. I want it to like I

863
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 1: want to be a listener. I want to be somebody

864
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: that you know, UM can do so many things for

865
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: her right. And I want women to understand that there

866
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: are a lot of men who do feel this way.

867
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of men that want to

868
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: make you know, their their women feel safe and secure

869
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 1: and they want them to feel honored, right, And and

870
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: that comes in so many different forms. It's not just sex.

871
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes that's even just in conversation or just being able

872
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: to communicate how you feel that can make a woman

873
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: feel honored, you know. But I will say this is

874
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: like it breaks my heart hearing that sometimes too, because

875
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: as men we need to step up and be better.

876
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: We're obviously falling short in areas myself included as well,

877
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 1: is we're falling short in areas where women aren't feeling love,

878
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: they're not feeling secured, they're not feeling honored. And I

879
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: think we have to in turning to look into ourselves

880
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: and be like, why are they feeling that way? And

881
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: we have to be unable and be able to communicate

882
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 1: that to them so that we can receive the feedback

883
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: and then make a change. Now, to men, I think,

884
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: I think this is something that if you want to

885
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: be because their leadership comes in so many different ways.

886
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: Like my sisters are leaders, my mom's a leader. Like

887
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: it just because you're a man doesn't mean you're the

888
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: only leader. That's not how it works. But I do

889
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: believe that like everyone should always try to be the leader,

890
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: the best leader they can be. So for men, I

891
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: can only speak to men because I'm a guy. Is

892
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: like if you truly are convicted in something like this,

893
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: and for me, it's like I'm convicted because I told

894
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: Katie this and she started laughing. Is I am a

895
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: I believe wholeheartedly. God grabs the most rotten ones the earliest.

896
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: I was one of the most rotten ones when I

897
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: was born. Where he was like, you do not get

898
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: to experience a lot of these things because you're going

899
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: to get in trouble. And I think that was something

900
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: where knowing that about myself, it was almost like a

901
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: layer of protection where it was like, no, you you

902
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: don't get to do this. You have to actually you

903
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: have to honor her, and you have to show her

904
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: that there's so much more that you see in her

905
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: right and there's so much more that that you want

906
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: for her. You want to elevate her. This is not about.

907
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: One of the things I hear from women all the

908
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: time is how selfish men are. We are, so we

909
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: need to make a change with that, and what's a

910
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: way to do that. For me, that's a way to

911
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, one of the biggest desires of my heart

912
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 1: is obviously to have sex, you know, with my wife.

913
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well then you need to put in

914
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: work before you're granted that gift, right, So it's like

915
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 1: that's how I view it. And if you're a man

916
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: and that's something that you're struggling with or you're feeling

917
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: insecure about, own it, like you're doing it for a reason,

918
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: like you are somebody that is, you're somebody that is.

919
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: You're convicted by it for a reason. So find out

920
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: what that reason is, understand it, and then you know,

921
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: verbalize it, you know, to your your spouse or your

922
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: or your girlfriend or whatever of like, this is why

923
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: I'm convicted by this. This is something that I want

924
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: you to feel so safe and so secure that you

925
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 1: then what is more secure than you looking a woman

926
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: in the eyes and saying I want nobody else for

927
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. You are all I want.

928
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: And I mean, at that point, if my wife says

929
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: that to me, my clothes are coming off and I'm

930
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: like because because it's like that's a there's such a

931
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: beauty to that, there's such a beauty to commit in

932
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: your life to somebody for the rest of your life

933
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: and saying to them, I don't see anything else you

934
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: or what I want. And that's something that if you

935
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: are convicted in that way, then it's gonna be tough.

936
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: It is the hardest thing I've ever had to do ever.

937
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: I mean, every day I wake up the first time

938
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: in my mind is sex. I'm like, dude, come down.

939
00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: But but but it's it's something that if I know

940
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: it's that tough, then it's gonna be so worth it

941
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: when I have it, and you know, and it's something

942
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: that like I hate the stigma of, like, aren't you worried?

943
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: You should know this thing? No, because I'm going to communicate.

944
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: If my wife looks at me and says I don't

945
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: like that, I'm gonna go, Okay, Well, then what do

946
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: you like? Because there's no ego in this, you know

947
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, I have showed you that I will.

948
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: I will do the hardest thing possible to honor you.

949
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: So tell me what you want. And I think it's

950
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,479
Speaker 1: something where the biggest mistake we make within I feel

951
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: like sex or intimacy or whatever is we want to

952
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: self satisfy. I feel like it should be it's sacrifice.

953
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: Sex is sacrifice. You should be honoring that person, You

954
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: should be serving that person. You do that. My tip

955
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: to guys, you serve a woman that way and not

956
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: think about yourself. You'll be just five. We've just been

957
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: having such great guys on our podcast, like Katie. I mean,

958
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: Katie was a lucky woman. But seriously, every guy right here,

959
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: we'll set it up to the masses. But before we

960
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: let you go, we ask all of our guests this,

961
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: without giving too much away, right now, up until this point,

962
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: what has been your rose and what has been your thorn?

963
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:21,959
Speaker 1: Of Katie's season? Probably my thorn is that's a great question. Well,

964
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's obvious. The thorn is you know,

965
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: when you're interesting, the girl you don't want, you know

966
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: your buddy's taking her on dates and do it. But

967
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: I also know what I signed up for, so so yeah,

968
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: I would say that probably because I had. I mean,

969
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: my experience at this point has been nuting short of incredible.

970
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: But I will say the rose. And I know I

971
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: keep harping on this, but Katie and I and again

972
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: I told her this, I don't know how you women

973
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: do it. You guys are incredible at the way you

974
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: can allow us to process things. The way Katie allowed

975
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: me to just really look in to my own heart

976
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: and be like, what is it that you truly want?

977
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: What is it you want from a woman? What is it? Like? What?

978
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: And she and I think again real quick, going back

979
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: to like the second date, A lot of people are like, oh,

980
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: that's such a bad situation. No, that was the best

981
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: thing that could have happened to me because it allowed me.

982
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: It allowed me to be extremely uncomfortable in a situation,

983
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: to have to navigate it, to have to discern through

984
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: what I was going through where it's like and Katie

985
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: created that space. And Katie is somebody that she's the

986
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: beauty and her to be able to then create an

987
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 1: uncomfortable situation but then be the calming force in it

988
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: is It was such a She's a woman. That's the

989
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: only way to explain it. Like that is what a

990
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: woman does. A woman brings calm to chaos, and like

991
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: that is something that I gosh, it was so attractive,

992
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like, it's such a that's my

993
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: rose because like how she was able to do that.

994
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: It made my journey one of the best experiences I've

995
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: ever had in my life. Thank you so much for

996
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: joining Bachelor Happy Hour. Now go enjoy your vacation. Yes, yeah,

997
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: I got some adventure. I'm kind of an adrenaline jockey,

998
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: so it'll be nice to kind of get out and

999
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: do some crazy things, so she'ld be fun. All right,

1000
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: thank you for being here. Thanks Mike, we'll talk to

1001
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: you later. He is just seems like not even self confident,

1002
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: but he is just aware and like just knows what

1003
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: he wants, but can vocalize that in such a beautiful way.

1004
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times, you know, myself included,

1005
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: I do this quite a bit, Like I obviously have

1006
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: so many thoughts stumbled in my mind, but I'm sometimes

1007
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: hesitant or it's difficult for me to fully express everything.

1008
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: And he does such an incredible job about at that.

1009
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: So I'm so glad we had him on because I say,

1010
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: she you were just saying maybe you didn't get to

1011
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: see this full side of him on Katie season. Yeah.

1012
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think that we have said this

1013
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: multiple times. So but like the show is about finding

1014
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: love absolutely, but when you really do put your heart

1015
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: on the line, it can transform you as a human.

1016
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: And I just love that he kept hitting on that

1017
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: that even though he knew he was confident in who

1018
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: he is and what his why is, it's still I

1019
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: don't know, made him think about himself a little bit

1020
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: more and like really be confident. And that's why when

1021
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 1: he talks to us about it, we're like, we didn't

1022
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: think about it like that, But that makes so much sense.

1023
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: And I really hope that other people feel compelled to

1024
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: stay in their truth a little bit more, you know. Yeah,

1025
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: it's I don't think anyone has walked away from the

1026
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: show without learning something, without having some major takeaway about

1027
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: who they are, how they could change to be better

1028
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: what they want. I mean, I've said this spending times

1029
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: good and bad, good and bad exactly, But it becomes

1030
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: when you're in the environment with all of these people

1031
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: and with producers, and you know, you're constantly talking through

1032
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: your thoughts and emotions and feelings and situations. It becomes

1033
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: sort of like a group therapy session, which sometimes sometimes

1034
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, as we've seen in Lessons episode, it can

1035
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: go terribly wrong for some people, but sometimes it can

1036
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: be such an enlightening thing. And so I mean, he's

1037
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: a great example of somebody who's walked away and I

1038
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: think can now take what he's learned and what he's

1039
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: gone through in this and apply it to all of

1040
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: his future relationships, relationships with his friends, his family, a

1041
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: partner all the things. And I think that's a great

1042
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: point that I'm so glad he spoke on. I mean,

1043
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: these guys have just been incredible so far. Last week

1044
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: we had Michael A. This week Mike p like just

1045
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: really good dudes, like Katie had a good group of men.

1046
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know much better than I do

1047
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: how this ends. But like I'm just like, Damn, she's

1048
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: got her work cut out for her. I mean, yeah,

1049
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: I'm just still leave it at that. Just keep watching

1050
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: it gets intense. Okay, well we will. To all of

1051
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: our Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, thank you all for hanging

1052
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: out with us once again, and huge thank you to

1053
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: Mike Pee for joining us even while he is on vacation.

1054
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: And it's always please make sure to hit us up

1055
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: on social We're at Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram and

1056
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: at Badge Nation pods on both Facebook and Twitter, and

1057
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: it's always please don't forget to subscribe to our podcast.

1058
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: You can do so on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the under app,

1059
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: or wherever you are listening to us right now.