WEBVTT - From the Vault: The Winter People, Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, you welcome to Stuff to Blow your mind. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and it's Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Time to go into the Vault. This time we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>picking up with part two of last week's Vault episode,

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<v Speaker 1>The Winter People. Part two. This originally aired December, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>here it is for you again in case he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>catch you last time. Welcome to Stuff to Blow your

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<v Speaker 1>Mind from how stuff dot com. Hey you welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>stuff to blow your mind. My name is Robert Lamb

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Joe McCormick, and we're back with part two

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<v Speaker 1>of our discussion of the Winter People, the way in

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<v Speaker 1>which animal existence and especially human existence is seasonally bifurcated,

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<v Speaker 1>and the way the seasons really warp in command who

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<v Speaker 1>and what we are now. Last time, we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>traditional cultural beliefs and practices around wintertime. Uh so, we

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<v Speaker 1>talked the amazing winter ceremonials of the Quakwa Kawak people

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<v Speaker 1>of the Pacific Northwest and North America. But we wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about some other cultural beliefs about wintertime changes

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<v Speaker 1>to the human being. Yeah, we were kind of casting

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<v Speaker 1>about for something that if it felt felt appropriate to

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<v Speaker 1>to bring up because there are no shortage of winter traditions.

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<v Speaker 1>But we we lead with such a fantastic example in

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<v Speaker 1>the first episode, it felt intimidating to try and come

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<v Speaker 1>up with something of of equal weight. Now, one thing

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<v Speaker 1>you could bring up is, of course, the traditions like

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<v Speaker 1>the huga. This became very popular, was it? Last year?

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<v Speaker 1>The year before? There were suddenly all these articles on

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<v Speaker 1>the internet about uh huga and all these related concepts,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in you know, uh northern polar Uh, not always polar,

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<v Speaker 1>but northern types of countries and cultures where they're they

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<v Speaker 1>have special words for getting cozy when it's really cold

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<v Speaker 1>and bad weather outside. Yeah, this is interesting because I

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<v Speaker 1>mean obviously here in the States people do like to

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<v Speaker 1>to snug up and they be binge, watched some Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>or what have you. I have a little hot cocoa

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<v Speaker 1>during the colder months or something fulfilling about that. I

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<v Speaker 1>hear they eat pumpkin pie. Have you heard about this

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<v Speaker 1>the Americans? Like? Okay, I mean I didn't know there

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<v Speaker 1>are songs about it. I assume it's true. Which song?

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<v Speaker 1>Which song is about eating pumpkin There's something about you

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<v Speaker 1>throw a log on the fire and coffee and pumpkin pie.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm vaguely connecting to something from another life, all right though.

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<v Speaker 1>I just have a lot of questions for people who

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<v Speaker 1>eat pumpkin pie outside of established holidays. Yeah, which you're

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<v Speaker 1>the ones is Thanksgiving and when, Well, you can have

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<v Speaker 1>it for Christmas, but I mean you kind of been

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<v Speaker 1>in the rules, right, But then mostly it is a

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<v Speaker 1>Thanksgiving pie. It's a delicious Thanksgiving pie, but it's I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I wouldn't feel comfortable eating it. Fill the

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<v Speaker 1>time of the year. Filling from a can, crust from

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<v Speaker 1>a can, well, yeah, you have to use the filling

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<v Speaker 1>from the can because it doesn't matter, because the because

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately the pumpkin is just a vehicle for the of

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<v Speaker 1>the nutmeg and the spice flavoring. Yeah, and the sugar. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, despite all the coziness traditions, some cultures apparently

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<v Speaker 1>have this special word for the coziness seeking tradition, and

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<v Speaker 1>other cultures don't really. I mean, English, as far as

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<v Speaker 1>I know, doesn't have a word like hugo, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's why it suddenly became so popular in the

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<v Speaker 1>English speaking part of the Internet. Yeah, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>it's important to realize that coziness during the winter months

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<v Speaker 1>is is something of a luxury. Uh and uh. This

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<v Speaker 1>led me to seek out a possible example in a

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful book that I hadn't looked at in many years,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's Barry Lopez's six book Arctic Dreams, Imagination and

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<v Speaker 1>Desire in a Northern Landscape which is just which is

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<v Speaker 1>just full of beautiful descriptions of life in the far North.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, he shares the following just about the flow

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<v Speaker 1>of seasons in general. Quote in summer, in the sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>extravagant light of a July day, one's thoughts are not

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<v Speaker 1>of growth of heading wheat and yellowing peaches, but of suspension,

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<v Speaker 1>as if life had escaped the bounds of earth in

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<v Speaker 1>this country, which lacks the prolonged moderations between winter and

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<v Speaker 1>summer that we anticipate as balmy April mornings and dry

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<v Speaker 1>Indian summer afternoons. In this two season country, things grow

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<v Speaker 1>and die, as they do everywhere, but they are more

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<v Speaker 1>deeply than living things anywhere else, seasonal creatures. And he

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<v Speaker 1>goes on later in the book to to bring up

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<v Speaker 1>this concept of the polar Eskimo people that is called

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<v Speaker 1>purlar or neck. He says, quote winter darkness brings on

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<v Speaker 1>the extreme winter depression the polar Eskimo called parlor neck.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the anthropologist Gene the Mallari, the word means

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<v Speaker 1>to feel quote the weight of life, to look ahead

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<v Speaker 1>to all that must be accomplished, and to retreat to

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<v Speaker 1>the present, feeling defeated, weary, before starting a core of

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<v Speaker 1>anger and miserable sadness. It is to be sick of life,

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<v Speaker 1>a man named Amina told Millari. The victim tears fitfully

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<v Speaker 1>at his clothes. A woman begins aimlessly slashing at things

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<v Speaker 1>in the igloo with their knife. A person runs half

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<v Speaker 1>naked into the bitter, freezing night, screaming out at the village,

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<v Speaker 1>eating the poop of dogs. Eventually the person is calmed

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<v Speaker 1>by others in the family with great compassion and helped

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep. Pro Laura neck winter. And I have to

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<v Speaker 1>say he did not say poop. He used a stronger

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<v Speaker 1>curse word that we can't say on the show. But

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<v Speaker 1>I felt compelled to self at it there So, as

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<v Speaker 1>Lopez describes it, does it seem like the idea is

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of the farther you go up north or

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<v Speaker 1>I guess toward either of the poles, but especially because

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<v Speaker 1>you know they're more people are more concentrated towards the

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<v Speaker 1>North Pole than in like Antarctica, that sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>weight of the seasons becomes more unbearable. Yeah, that that

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be the point he's he's making here, and

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<v Speaker 1>it just has to do with the fact that you

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<v Speaker 1>essentially have two seasons, one of life and one of death,

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<v Speaker 1>one of one of hardship and one of well, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess less hardship. Uh. It's it's certainly an impressive concept.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh. It again brings to mind accounts of say

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<v Speaker 1>that the alleged wind to go madness that you uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you hear about in uh in northern native populations. However,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to point out here that not everyone is

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<v Speaker 1>on board with this being a true part of pre

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<v Speaker 1>colonial traditions and beliefs among Native peoples of North America. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Canadian scholar who uh and scholar who specializes

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<v Speaker 1>in the study of First Nations people, John Steckley, in

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<v Speaker 1>his book White Lies about the Inuit, he says this

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<v Speaker 1>idea of Arctic hysteria is backed up by case studies,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was most frequently touted in the nineteen sixties

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<v Speaker 1>through the eighties by anthropologists such as Jean Mallari and others,

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<v Speaker 1>and he points out that historian Lyle Dick suspects, just

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<v Speaker 1>as Stickley himself concurs, that it's quote more likely the

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<v Speaker 1>creature of the white Inuit power imbalance embodied in specific

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<v Speaker 1>contexts unquote, such as forced risky explorations during the winter,

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<v Speaker 1>So forcing the native peoples to, among other things, take

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<v Speaker 1>you out into hostile winter conditions when their their normal

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<v Speaker 1>pattern of behaviors would have limited such risky measures. So

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<v Speaker 1>that makes sense to me. And it has also been

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<v Speaker 1>suggested that there's a possible physical explanations for this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of Arctic madness. Can be found in hyper vitaminosis ah,

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<v Speaker 1>such as when you consume a polar bear liver exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can and it's something you can also pick.

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<v Speaker 1>It's most famous for the polar bear liver. We've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it before in the show as far as polar

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<v Speaker 1>bear liver consumption is concerned, But you can also get

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<v Speaker 1>it from consuming a number of different um uh hunted

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<v Speaker 1>animals in these regions, So that's one possibility as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think the take home here is that as

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating as the concept is, and certainly as beautifully as

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<v Speaker 1>Lopez wrote about it uh in an Arctic Dreams, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like it may be a situation that is, it

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<v Speaker 1>is somewhat complicated by the impact of colonial Western society

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<v Speaker 1>upon the traditions of the native people's. Well, it certainly

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<v Speaker 1>illustrates the way in which our reactions to the seasons

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<v Speaker 1>are both sort of endogenous and exogenous, like that they

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<v Speaker 1>come from both inherent factors in in the climate and

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<v Speaker 1>in uh, you know, physical constraints around us that arrive

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<v Speaker 1>when the winter months set in, but they're also heavily

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<v Speaker 1>tempered by what cultural pressures were having to deal with.

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<v Speaker 1>So like a society of abundance is probably going to

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<v Speaker 1>have very different cultural ways of dealing with winter than

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<v Speaker 1>a society of scarcity would, and all kinds of cultural

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<v Speaker 1>factors like that would play in. Certainly, of course, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're you know, being colonized, that's definitely going to a

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<v Speaker 1>act what a season of hardship means for you. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, well, we need to take a quick break,

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<v Speaker 1>and then when we come back we will talk more

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<v Speaker 1>about winter changes in winter adaptations thank you. Thank Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back. Okay, So, Robert, we have discussed how we

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<v Speaker 1>are not constant beings but sort of like seasonal shape shifters.

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<v Speaker 1>There are so many ways that culturally, that psychologically, that metabolically,

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<v Speaker 1>our bodies respond to the changes in the seasons in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that it might be hard to beat out

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<v Speaker 1>of us, even though we've got all these nice climate

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<v Speaker 1>controlled indoor places to dwell. Now our bodies are surfing

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<v Speaker 1>the cycles of time. Now, there is one way in

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<v Speaker 1>which the changes of the seasons affect us much more

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<v Speaker 1>directly and immediately, and that's by being cold. Apart from,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the vitamin D deficiency you might get from

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<v Speaker 1>shorter days, and the way it might affect the way

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<v Speaker 1>you eat and affect your your metabolism and even affect

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<v Speaker 1>your behavior and your dating and your desire for meaning

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that, it also is just freezing outside. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's no secret that exposure to cold can hurt or

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<v Speaker 1>kill you. But did you ever wonder why they are? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Several ways you can answer this question. One is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>straightforward and mechanical. It's that the body has mostly liquid content.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to think of that this sometimes like whenever

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<v Speaker 1>you're feeling a little bit down on yourself, you just

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<v Speaker 1>think like, hey, I'm a bag of fluids doing okay

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<v Speaker 1>for a bag of fluids. Yeah, and if you if

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<v Speaker 1>you were to freeze me solid, then a single Jean

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<v Speaker 1>Claude van Damn kick could shatter you. And well, in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to freeze me solid, just the act

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<v Speaker 1>of freezing me solid would sort of shatter me because

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<v Speaker 1>when liquid freezes, it can form ice crystals, which cause

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<v Speaker 1>damage to the body's tissues, to the cells, to the

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<v Speaker 1>cell membranes. But here's another way to think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Animal life is characterized by two main physical characteristics. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>say motion and chemical reactions, and cold slows down both

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<v Speaker 1>of these things. So cooks out there. I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>you ever tried to, like mash up some spinach art

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<v Speaker 1>to choke dip with a cold block of cream cheese, Robert,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have any comparable experience? Uh? No, I do not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's impossible. I means you're just like work in your arm,

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<v Speaker 1>and you've gotta you've gotta be some kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>hydraulic press type creature in order to achieve it. A

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<v Speaker 1>similar thing would be if you're into baking, and you

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<v Speaker 1>ever tried to like whip something with cold butter, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a bad idea. And likewise, if if you've ever

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<v Speaker 1>tried to trigger a chemical reaction like lighting a fire

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<v Speaker 1>when it's freezing cold outside, not so easy. The body

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be warm, so it's mechanical motions are kind

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<v Speaker 1>of lubricated and squishy, and it also needs to be warm,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's chemical reactions have enough energy to take place.

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<v Speaker 1>But not all bodies are like this. There are creatures

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<v Speaker 1>in this world that can literally freeze almost entirely solid

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<v Speaker 1>and thaw out and survive. So I want to mention

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<v Speaker 1>one example, the wood frog Lithabades sylvaticus, found throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>forests of Canada and the northern United States. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is a frog that survives the harsh winter of northern

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<v Speaker 1>Canadian forests. How would it do that? Well, what you'll

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<v Speaker 1>notice it does is that when the cold north winds

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<v Speaker 1>set in sometime around September, these frogs crawl down and

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<v Speaker 1>nestle in some dead plant matter like some leaf litter,

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<v Speaker 1>dead grass, and then they literally freeze almost entirely solid.

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<v Speaker 1>About two thirds of their bodies water content turns into ice.

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<v Speaker 1>And even temperatures as low as zero degrease fahrenheit won't

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<v Speaker 1>kill them. And then when warm weather comes back, they

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<v Speaker 1>thaw out, they hop away unharmed. Uh. Speaking to the

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<v Speaker 1>l A Times, the herpetologist Don Larson said, quote, on

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<v Speaker 1>an organismal level, they are essentially dead. The individual cells

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<v Speaker 1>are still functioning, but they have no way to communicate

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<v Speaker 1>with each other. So you might be ondering how do

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<v Speaker 1>they do this? Well, the body essentially manufactures cryoprotectant chemicals.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like glycogen in the frog's liver gets converted

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<v Speaker 1>into glucose, which keeps the frog's individual cells alive throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the freeze. And then also uriah, which is the nitrogen

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<v Speaker 1>based crystalline compound you excrete in your urine, might also

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<v Speaker 1>play a role. Uria came up a little bit earlier

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<v Speaker 1>when we were talking about cold protection. But Larson points

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<v Speaker 1>out this thing that's not known, but it's an interesting possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>He points out that freezing alive might not just be

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<v Speaker 1>a survival mechanism, but that could actually be beneficial to

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<v Speaker 1>an animal that wanted to rid itself of parasites. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>this is so good. I mean, we we we see

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<v Speaker 1>a similar cases. For instance, where if you have frozen fish,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you worry less about there being parasites in

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<v Speaker 1>the fish. And also if you're worried about dust mites

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<v Speaker 1>on one of your child's prize stuffed animals, you stick

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<v Speaker 1>it in the freezer overnight and that takes care of

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<v Speaker 1>the mite. So all the dust mights go to your

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<v Speaker 1>frozen shrimp. Yeah. Well, you know what's the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>a mite and a shrimp, really shrimp hugettical bugs. So yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got the wood frog. But we've had another freezing champion,

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<v Speaker 1>even more hardy that I want to mention, the red

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<v Speaker 1>flat bark beetle, which is kuka just clavipies. Usually we

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<v Speaker 1>would find them living under loose bark in North American

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<v Speaker 1>deciduous trees. And I found a report from the University

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<v Speaker 1>of Alaska, Fairbanks that biologists Todd's formo quote cooled the

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<v Speaker 1>beetles in a lab to minus seventy degrees celsius, which

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<v Speaker 1>is minus ninety four degrees fahrenheit, and they did not die.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there was another experiment subsequently in California. They

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<v Speaker 1>could they found they could lower the temperature of these

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<v Speaker 1>beetles to minus a hundred and fifty degrees celsius, which

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<v Speaker 1>is minus two hundred and thirty eight degrees fahrenheit, colder

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<v Speaker 1>than any natural temperature on Earth. Without freezing the beetles.

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<v Speaker 1>That's incredib Now, obviously our bodies are not like this.

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<v Speaker 1>We do not have such strong crier protectant mechanisms, and

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<v Speaker 1>freezing will definitely injure or kill us. Direct exposure of

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<v Speaker 1>body parts to cold weather can lead to frostbite, which

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<v Speaker 1>has a simple explanation and a more complex explanation. The

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<v Speaker 1>simple version is just that frost bite is when body

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<v Speaker 1>tissues freeze. The more complex one is a little bit chemical.

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<v Speaker 1>It's when ice crystals form in the body tissues. It

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<v Speaker 1>dehydrates cells, causes damage to sell membranes. Essentially, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to let your outer body parts freeze because there's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the point of no return there. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>come back. Yeah. I feel like most of us have

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<v Speaker 1>probably read various accounts of explorers, adventurers or refugees and

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<v Speaker 1>in really chilling environments and accounts of frostbite where you

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<v Speaker 1>realize that is a it is a terrible thing to

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<v Speaker 1>have to experience. Yeah, there's something especially disturbing about it

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<v Speaker 1>because it's almost like, um, I don't know, just having

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<v Speaker 1>like it's like necrosis. You know, it's like there's a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the body that is dying or is dead,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's still attached to you. It's not like it's

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<v Speaker 1>been chopped off. It's just it's still there and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not working for you. Yeah, it is in D and

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<v Speaker 1>D terms to chronic damage. Yeah. Uh so, we obviously

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<v Speaker 1>are not as hardy as bark beetles, but we do

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<v Speaker 1>have adaptive mechanisms. And you'll see the first signs of

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<v Speaker 1>the human body reacting to cold weather really just within

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<v Speaker 1>a few seconds of exposure to sub thermo neutral temperatures.

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<v Speaker 1>So our skin has these thermo receptors and the detect

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<v Speaker 1>both absolute and relative temperature differences, and they let us

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<v Speaker 1>know if the environment is too hot or too cold.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the body detects cold, it begins to shunt

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<v Speaker 1>blood away from the extremities. You you probably feel some

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<v Speaker 1>sensation of this and kind of you know, the numbness

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<v Speaker 1>and all that when the blood is being drawn away

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<v Speaker 1>from the skin and away from the arms and legs

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<v Speaker 1>to keep it closer to the vital organs like the

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<v Speaker 1>heart and the lungs. This is essentially a choice to

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<v Speaker 1>sacrifice the outer skin and use it as a layer

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<v Speaker 1>of insulation. By keeping the blood away from the outside,

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<v Speaker 1>the blood stays warmer. Another defense mechanism is runny nose.

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<v Speaker 1>You ever wonder, like why your nose runs in the cold? Uh? So,

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<v Speaker 1>cold air tends to be very dry and of course

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<v Speaker 1>very cold, and since you're constantly pulling that dry air

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<v Speaker 1>in through the nose, when you breathe, it dries out

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<v Speaker 1>the exposed surfaces within the nasal cavity and the nasal cavity,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things it does when you breathe through

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<v Speaker 1>it is it warms the air on the way down

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<v Speaker 1>to your lungs. So, if you're drawing in this really dry,

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<v Speaker 1>cold air that is not being appropriately warmed inside the

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<v Speaker 1>nose by your warm, nice mucous layers in there and

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<v Speaker 1>drying out the inside of the nose, the body tries

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<v Speaker 1>to compensate, and so what it does is it moisturizes

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<v Speaker 1>these passages by secreting mucous fluid, leading to cold induced

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<v Speaker 1>rhine a rhea, the diarrhea of the nose. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>spent a few years in my childhood in Roddington, Newfoundland, Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>so we had pretty intense winters up there. Uh so

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<v Speaker 1>I have on one hand, I have these really pleasant

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<v Speaker 1>memories of scaling giants snow banks and tunneling through them.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also have these persistent memories of of wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a full ski mask that is at once warming but

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<v Speaker 1>also just soggy with with snot you know, just just

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<v Speaker 1>partially frozen and partially warmed, snot just covering the whole

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<v Speaker 1>front of the ski mask. You know. With exertion in

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<v Speaker 1>cold weather, one of the risk factors you need to

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<v Speaker 1>watch out for is that your clothes don't become sweat soaked.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, because then though that sweat is going to

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<v Speaker 1>cool and then you're you're essentially freezing in your own sweat. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no good. So another thing we've all done it shivering.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of the body's main defense mechanisms against cold.

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<v Speaker 1>The purpose seems to be to force your muscles to

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<v Speaker 1>generate extra heat. Movement and friction tend to produce heat.

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<v Speaker 1>If you doubt this, just rub your hands together for

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<v Speaker 1>ten seconds. You'll feel them warm up. And so the

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<v Speaker 1>shivering is the body's way of enlisting your muscle tissues

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<v Speaker 1>is a kind of emergency internal space heater, forcing them

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<v Speaker 1>to rapidly contract and rhythmic patterns all over the body

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<v Speaker 1>and generate extra heat to keep your vital organs and

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<v Speaker 1>blood warm. Another adaptation that seems to not really help

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<v Speaker 1>very much anymore goose bumps. Yes, you ever wonder why, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the point? It almost feels like when you get

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<v Speaker 1>goose bumps, the bumps are coming up on your skin,

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<v Speaker 1>which would seem to increase the surface area of your skin,

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<v Speaker 1>which would make you get cold even faster. Well, and

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<v Speaker 1>then also it would seem to move body hair away

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<v Speaker 1>from the body. Yeah, it was It's like, oh well,

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<v Speaker 1>now this protective layer of you know, barely visible arm

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<v Speaker 1>hair is not even touching my arm anymore. But no,

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<v Speaker 1>goose bumps are believed to be a vestigial trait from

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<v Speaker 1>our recent ancestors who had much more body hair than us,

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<v Speaker 1>so when they got cold, they could raise the hairs

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<v Speaker 1>on their skin to become extra fluffy and insulated. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's true that actually lower density things are better insulated.

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<v Speaker 1>'s right? You notice that, like when you put insulation

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<v Speaker 1>in the walls in your house. It's not like some

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<v Speaker 1>tightly packed metal or would kind of thing. It's this loose,

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<v Speaker 1>fluffy stuff because it conducts heat less well, and so

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<v Speaker 1>that's essentially what your body is trying to do. It

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<v Speaker 1>remembers a time when you your ancestors had much more hair,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's trying to fluff it up to become less

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<v Speaker 1>conductive of heat and to insulate skin better from the cold. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course we don't have much of that hair anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>but we still have this reaction. So we get the bumps,

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<v Speaker 1>but without the insulation. Here's the seasonal fact. I know

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<v Speaker 1>you have heard what time of year do people commit

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<v Speaker 1>suicide the most? It's winter, right, Yeah, well I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that is the That is sort of the common idea

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<v Speaker 1>that's out there. Yeah, I mean it sounds very truthy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, I mean we it's it's it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>goes back to the idea of arctic madness. Right. It

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<v Speaker 1>feels appropriate like it gets a little cold here in

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta and we start thinking, oh, this this weather is

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<v Speaker 1>driving me crazy. It's it's so it's it's depressing me,

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<v Speaker 1>or it's making me behave radically, it makes me want

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<v Speaker 1>to just shut myself up in my home and not

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<v Speaker 1>encounter the outside world. Again. Yeah, it makes your mind

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<v Speaker 1>connect naturally to all kinds of anecdotes that you have within,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some part of your long term memory, stories

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<v Speaker 1>about what it's like to be in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>Antarctic research stations, or or these stories about parlernarek Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it turns out that this very truthy sounding

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<v Speaker 1>fact that more people commit suicide in the winter is

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<v Speaker 1>not in fact a fact. It is a myth and

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<v Speaker 1>yearly suicide rates do not generally peak in the winter,

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<v Speaker 1>but they do appear to have a seasonal peak, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not in the winter, it's in spring and early summer.

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<v Speaker 1>So how much more suicide is there in the spring, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it varies a lot between societies. But according to Fotus Papadopoulos,

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<v Speaker 1>a professor of psychiatry at Uppsala University in Sweden, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>if we take winter as a baseline, there is a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty to sixty higher suicide side rate during spring. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty big difference. I mean, that doesn't sound like noise.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds like a real effect. Yeah, I mean it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hesitant to try and make too much sense out

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<v Speaker 1>of it, you know, but it does lend itself to

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<v Speaker 1>interpretations of Right, if the winter is about survival, then

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<v Speaker 1>what happens when you get to the other side of

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<v Speaker 1>that survival? It's like like managing to cross a rickety

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<v Speaker 1>bridge and you relieve that you made it across that

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<v Speaker 1>bridge without plummeting into the abyss. But here you are

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side, and you have how many more

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<v Speaker 1>leads to walk? You know? Um, it's I can imagine

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<v Speaker 1>the other hardships of life kind of opening up again

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<v Speaker 1>for you in a new and perhaps more profound way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can see that too. Now, there have been scientific

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<v Speaker 1>attempts to look into what causes this spike in spring

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<v Speaker 1>and early summer for suicide attempts. There was, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>a massive literature review combining the findings of studies from

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy nine until two thousand eleven that had to

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<v Speaker 1>do with seasonal variations in suicide and that was by

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<v Speaker 1>wu uh Kusaga and Postolache and in the International Journal

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<v Speaker 1>of Environmental Research and Public Health in in the major

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<v Speaker 1>findings uh were Here are a few of them. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess many studies have replicated the finding of a spring

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<v Speaker 1>suicide peak roughly in the April May June region of

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<v Speaker 1>the calendar, and this peak does not exist equally in

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<v Speaker 1>all populations, but shows up with varying intensity among many

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<v Speaker 1>or most. There are also summer peaks for some populations.

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<v Speaker 1>In most studies, winter months actually have the lowest rates

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<v Speaker 1>of suicide of the entire year, so when it's the

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<v Speaker 1>coldest is when suicide happens the least. Um However, despite

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<v Speaker 1>massive amounts of research, the relationship between seasonal change and

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<v Speaker 1>suicide behavior is still not very well understood, like what

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<v Speaker 1>would cause these seasonal variations. So here are a few

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<v Speaker 1>of the ideas that have been studied. One of them

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<v Speaker 1>is changes in sunlight and temperature. Some studies seem to

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<v Speaker 1>have demonstrated there's actually a positive correlation between suicide and

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<v Speaker 1>exposure to sunlight. That seems kind of counterintuitive, but these

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<v Speaker 1>findings are also disputed. However, a peak in late spring

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<v Speaker 1>and early summer would correlate to the longest days of

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<v Speaker 1>the year. Also, this could be informed by findings that

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<v Speaker 1>suicide is more common among rural populations than urban ones,

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<v Speaker 1>and more common in outdoor workers than indoor workers. It

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<v Speaker 1>also varies a lot by geographical region, so spring peaks

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<v Speaker 1>are found all over the place, but are a varying

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<v Speaker 1>intensity in different countries. For example, there was a n

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<v Speaker 1>study that found a very narrow seasonal fluctuation in Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>so the ratio of average spring to winter suicide rates

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<v Speaker 1>was one point zero eight, so barely more in spring.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the same study in Portugal the ratio was

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<v Speaker 1>one point seven, so you know, getting close to double

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<v Speaker 1>as many in spring. Here's another really odd one. A

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<v Speaker 1>series of findings seemed to link suicide rates to spring

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<v Speaker 1>allergies and to people with allergies. For example, one of

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<v Speaker 1>these studies was a two thousand four study that found

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<v Speaker 1>a correlation between the times of year with peak suicide

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<v Speaker 1>rates and the times of year with the greatest concentration

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<v Speaker 1>of allergenic tree pollen in the air. And that study

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<v Speaker 1>was called tree pollen peaks are associated with increased nonviolent

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<v Speaker 1>suicide and women. Now, while these changes show up in

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of countries, UH, there does seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>a flattening effect in recent decades, Like while suicides are

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<v Speaker 1>still frequent, recent studies in England, Wales, Hong Kong, Sweden,

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 1>and Denmark shows seasonal variation on suicide rates. Uh. Really

0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 1>flattening coming down, so there's not as much variation from

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 1>time of the year to another time of the year.

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:55.800
<v Speaker 1>But in other countries like Finland. In the United States,

0:25:55.840 --> 0:25:59.120
<v Speaker 1>you have a much more persistent seasonal pattern still peaking

0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 1>in the spring. So that just makes me think about

0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:05.680
<v Speaker 1>the rural and an urban distinction that you touched on earlier,

0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, like, maybe these are these are maybe finling

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:11.440
<v Speaker 1>in the US. I mean, certainly there's a urbanization going

0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:17.360
<v Speaker 1>on in in all major Western cultures, but maybe there's

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:21.479
<v Speaker 1>still enough of a rural base to to support like

0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:24.560
<v Speaker 1>an uptick in rural environments. Yeah, a lot of times

0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:28.040
<v Speaker 1>people don't think to think about suicide rates as like

0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:31.240
<v Speaker 1>a public health question, something that really should be researched

0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:34.520
<v Speaker 1>and understood, and if you can understand the underlying causes

0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:37.280
<v Speaker 1>and why and when these things happen, that you could

0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:41.160
<v Speaker 1>treat it like a disease that can be treated and prevented. Indeed,

0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:43.240
<v Speaker 1>but to get back to the winter thing, the winter

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 1>suicide myth, I'd say that is thoroughly busted. Not only

0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:48.480
<v Speaker 1>is it not the peak for suicide in the year,

0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:51.920
<v Speaker 1>it is generally the lowest time in the entire year

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:55.359
<v Speaker 1>for suicide. And I wonder why this myth is so persistent,

0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:58.160
<v Speaker 1>because I think if you'd asked me before I looked

0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:00.760
<v Speaker 1>into it, I would have thought, oh, yeah, yeah, winter time. Well,

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 1>I think part of it, especially here in the United

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 1>States and in other Western countries, there's the link with

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:11.359
<v Speaker 1>the holidays, with Christmas, with especially the modern westernized American Christmas,

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 1>where it's all it's not as much about surviving the winter,

0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:18.400
<v Speaker 1>and it's more about this just unrealistic level of happiness

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:22.320
<v Speaker 1>that you're supposed to feel every time somebody jingles a

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:25.720
<v Speaker 1>jingle bell uh and and it rarely matches up with

0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:29.720
<v Speaker 1>our experience of life, much less wide life during during

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the winter. I think that's exactly right. I think that

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:35.480
<v Speaker 1>there there are two different levels on which this myth

0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:39.800
<v Speaker 1>is sticky. One is the the sort of straightforward truthiness feeling,

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:42.160
<v Speaker 1>which is that in the winter, it's darker, it's colder,

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:46.440
<v Speaker 1>and we just associate these atmospheric feelings with low mood,

0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:49.679
<v Speaker 1>and then we associate low mood with things like suicide.

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:53.960
<v Speaker 1>But then also there's the contrarian truthiness, where we think, oh,

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.119
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, the time when everybody's telling you to

0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 1>be happy, and actually that's just making everybody more miserable,

0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:02.600
<v Speaker 1>and you're you're trying to get ready to for the holidays,

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 1>and this is leading to all this commercialism and stress

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.440
<v Speaker 1>and having go to the shopping mall. And so there's

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:10.280
<v Speaker 1>a sort of like fulk level gut feeling that this

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:14.119
<v Speaker 1>is just driving everybody nuts and making people miserable and unhappy. Well,

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:17.119
<v Speaker 1>and it's also wrapped up in some of the culture

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 1>of our Christmas as well. I mean, It's a Wonderful

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:23.439
<v Speaker 1>Life is one of our key American holiday films, and

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 1>it is about a guy who is depressed and contemplating

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:31.040
<v Speaker 1>suicide at Christmas. Yeah, you forget that's a bridge jumping movie. Yeah,

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 1>but but on some level it's basically letting it telling everybody, Hey, like,

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:39.080
<v Speaker 1>suicide at Christmas is uh, it's it's part of Christmas.

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 1>It's in It's in the Christmas movie that you're watching.

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 1>So it's Christmas as a as an American holiday sent

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:50.240
<v Speaker 1>of some weirdly mixed messages. Yeah, though, of course we

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>should say, no matter what time of year it is,

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 1>if you are having suicidal feelings or ideation, you should

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.720
<v Speaker 1>reach out to somebody. You should talk to somebody, let

0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:00.280
<v Speaker 1>them know that's right. And hey, if any in out

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 1>there needs to make a call, you can contact the

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:07.280
<v Speaker 1>National Suicide Preventional Lifeline at two seven, three, eight to five.

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Now here's a cold weather question. Does true or false? Robert,

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:14.120
<v Speaker 1>going out in cold weather can cause you to catch cold?

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>We hear this in all the time, right God, in

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 1>that cold you'll catch your death. But you also here

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:22.800
<v Speaker 1>nowadays from you know, your skeptical say like that is

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:27.920
<v Speaker 1>a myth, not true. It's actually more complicated than true

0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 1>or false. It seems to be somewhere in between. Now,

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 1>of course, we know that the cold itself will not

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 1>make you sick. Winner is traditionally known as cold and

0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 1>flu season. But we do not live in the you know,

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:44.560
<v Speaker 1>the miasthma theory of disease age anymore, where people thought

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:47.440
<v Speaker 1>that disease was caused by bad air. We live in

0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 1>the age of the germ theory of disease. So the

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 1>cold weather itself does not directly cause infection. But winter

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 1>months do seem to put us at risk for these

0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:59.360
<v Speaker 1>seasonal epidemics. And it's not an illusion. There are studies

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 1>that show that that these these infection rates really do

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:06.760
<v Speaker 1>go up in the winter, and there are several reasons

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:10.240
<v Speaker 1>people have hypothesized why that might be. A commonly cited

0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:14.600
<v Speaker 1>hypothesis is that people spend more time indoors huddling together

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:17.720
<v Speaker 1>in winter months due to the cold weather and physical

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 1>proximity to other people and touching and stuff can increase

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:24.440
<v Speaker 1>your transmission rate of infectious diseases. Of course, you're generally

0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 1>more likely to catch something from somebody you're sharing a

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 1>blanket and cuddling with, but there there are also other

0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:32.520
<v Speaker 1>mechanisms that might be operative. For example, there was a

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:35.240
<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen study from the Yale School of Medicine that

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 1>found that some of the human bodies viral defense mechanisms

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 1>are simply less effective at lower temperatures. But there's actually

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 1>a much deeper way that your body adapts to the

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 1>germ threats of winter months. The change in seasons is

0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>in your DNA. Alright, we're gonna take a quick break

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.640
<v Speaker 1>and we come back. We will dive into this. Uh.

0:30:54.680 --> 0:31:00.640
<v Speaker 1>This alarming notion that that that winter changes our genetic expression.

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Thank thank you, thank you. All right, we're back. So

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>we tend to think of our d N A is

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 1>being safe from the winter. I would think, you know,

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 1>I had not really thought about this previously. I mean,

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 1>you tend to think of your d n A as

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 1>being safe from pretty much everything except you know that

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 1>which would cause mutations or uh maybe maybe maybe you're

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 1>not safe from cosmic rays. Maybe you're not safe from

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>X ray bombardment, but you are at least safe from

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 1>the seasons down in your very d n A. But no,

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 1>it turns out o our d n A. While the

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 1>basic genome does not tend to change the way it's expressed,

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:41.720
<v Speaker 1>does tend to change based on a lot of different factors.

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 1>And I'll explain what that means in a minute. So

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 1>a study in Nature Communications found that roughly twenty three

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 1>of the genes found in human white blood cells and

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 1>adipose tissue change their expression depending on the change in seasons. Now,

0:31:57.800 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 1>if you if you've read about this before, you might

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 1>have headlines like your DNA changes in the winter that

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:06.080
<v Speaker 1>maybe you know, if you're being generous, that could be

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 1>thought of as correct, but it could also meeting misleadingly

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 1>implied that the literal code of the genome is altered,

0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 1>and that's not the case. So we should explain the

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 1>difference between the genome itself and gene expression. Your genes

0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 1>are sequences of DNA code found in the cells in

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:27.960
<v Speaker 1>your body, and the genes generally don't change unless there's

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 1>a mutation. What changes is the expression of individual genes

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 1>and gene expression. Whenever you hear gene expression, you can

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:42.360
<v Speaker 1>sort of think of that as genes doing something. Gene

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>expression is when the code inside a gene is chemically

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:48.840
<v Speaker 1>translated into a product like a protein or a string

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:53.040
<v Speaker 1>of RNA, usually a protein that does something inside the body.

0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:56.719
<v Speaker 1>And gene expression is how the genome makes things happen.

0:32:56.960 --> 0:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>So if there are changes in which genes get express

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 1>st and when this leads to changes in the body. Yeah,

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 1>I often think about this and about the you know,

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 1>just epigenetic changes in general as being kind of like

0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 1>the settings in a video game, particularly in a simulation game.

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 1>We have all these various realism toggles you can switch

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 1>on and off, and they ultimately affect how the game

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 1>manifests to the player. Yeah, or you can think about

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean to follow the video game analogy. Another way

0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 1>you can think of it is that the code of

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 1>the video game does not change. That like the programming

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:33.200
<v Speaker 1>code that creates the game is set, but different parts

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 1>of it are executing at different times, and so the

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 1>expression is sort of like the execution of a line

0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 1>of code. So what's the chemical basis for gene expression. Well,

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 1>genes are expressed when they get exposed to another chemical

0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 1>called messenger RNA or mRNA, and the mRNA reads the

0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 1>code and the genes and uses it to set off

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:57.440
<v Speaker 1>a process that creates proteins that lead to changes within

0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 1>and between cells. So the quest and then would be

0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 1>how come mr and A isn't constantly reading all of

0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 1>our genes at once all the time and setting off

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:11.800
<v Speaker 1>these these protein creating processes all the time. Well, here's

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:15.879
<v Speaker 1>one reason. There are tons of genes inside a cell

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:20.160
<v Speaker 1>nucleus of a eukaryotic organism, and the body fits them

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 1>in there by coiling them tightly around alkaline proteins called

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:28.920
<v Speaker 1>his stones. Now, if you've seen a picture of this before,

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:32.799
<v Speaker 1>it's often compared to beads along a string. That's kind

0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 1>of what it looks like. The DNA associates very easily

0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 1>with the his stones because the DNA is negatively charged

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:42.360
<v Speaker 1>and the his stones are positively charged. And a gene

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:46.400
<v Speaker 1>from this coiled strand of DNA that coils around the

0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:49.800
<v Speaker 1>his stones gets expressed when it picks up a methyl marker,

0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:53.359
<v Speaker 1>which makes it loosen from the his stone core. And

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 1>once it loosens and uncoils, the DNA can match up

0:34:56.560 --> 0:35:00.799
<v Speaker 1>with mRNA and then undergo expression, which, as we said,

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 1>generally means making proteins, which means something is happening. So

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of triggers lead to changes in gene expression,

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 1>which genes are are sort of like being brought forth

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:14.399
<v Speaker 1>to manufacture their will on the world. One example, it's

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:16.279
<v Speaker 1>been shown in a lot of context that some gene

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 1>expression changes occur over the natural day night cycle. In

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:22.799
<v Speaker 1>the morning, you're going to be expressing some genes and

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:25.839
<v Speaker 1>then at night you're going to be expressing others. Uh So,

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:29.239
<v Speaker 1>for example, if you're studying what genes are being expressed

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 1>in a sample of tissue, it could actually matter what

0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 1>time of day you take the sample. So one of

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 1>the authors of this sixteen study I mentioned earlier, the

0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Cambridge immuno geneticist Chris Wallace, told Wired Magazine in a

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:44.960
<v Speaker 1>good article about this quote, we knew that there's some

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:47.799
<v Speaker 1>genes that change their expression throughout the day. Then it

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 1>hit us, lam, what is the effect on genes of

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 1>the length of the day throughout the year, great piece

0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 1>of deductive reasoning. So of course it's leading to experiments.

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Wallace inter colleagues compare findings from several studies which tracked

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:07.040
<v Speaker 1>gene expression in populations from different times of the year

0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 1>in both the northern and southern hemispheres, in the countries

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:15.239
<v Speaker 1>where Germany, Australia, the US, the UK, Iceland, and the Gambia.

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:18.160
<v Speaker 1>And of course, as we we've said before, this matter

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:20.840
<v Speaker 1>is because in the northern and southern hemispheres, winter and

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 1>summer are reversed, so in the summer hemisphere it's summer

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:27.240
<v Speaker 1>in January and winter in July. And this helps because

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 1>it allows you to isolate that any differences really were

0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 1>caused by natural changes in the seasons and not probably

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:37.160
<v Speaker 1>by human cultural factors like the calendar or the month

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:39.319
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. So they found that in these

0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:42.280
<v Speaker 1>white blood cells there were thousands of genes that showed

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:46.359
<v Speaker 1>seasonal changes in expression. Uh, there were two thousand, three

0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:50.279
<v Speaker 1>hundred eleven summer genes they identified and two thousand, eight

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty six winter genes, and it looks like

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:56.480
<v Speaker 1>most of these changes had to do with immune system

0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 1>of function. Now, of course they were looking at white

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 1>blood cells as if the immune system we're ramping up

0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:06.360
<v Speaker 1>inflammation responses to deal with the germ threat of winter.

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:10.319
<v Speaker 1>And in the samples from tropical Gambia, the changes for

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 1>immune system gene expression came not during winter, but during

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 1>the rainy season when people are exposed to the greatest

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.319
<v Speaker 1>risk of malaria. So what we're seeing here is that

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 1>the body does have some kind of seasonal changes in

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:27.080
<v Speaker 1>the way that it expresses your genome, different parts of

0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 1>the code that makes you you get activated depending on

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 1>what time of the year it is, uh and on

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:35.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, not so much what time of the year

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 1>it is, but the seasonal triggers around you in the environment.

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:41.600
<v Speaker 1>And one of the things that this is very tightly

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:45.839
<v Speaker 1>controlling is the inflammation response. Now, the inflammation response, as

0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 1>we know, it helps keep us from getting sick. It's

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:53.640
<v Speaker 1>very primitive, ancient type of immune response. It's not very pleasant,

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.640
<v Speaker 1>but it does help keep you know, germs and stuff

0:37:56.680 --> 0:37:59.400
<v Speaker 1>from destroying your body. But as we also know, inflammation

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 1>can lead to all kinds of other health problems. It

0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:07.360
<v Speaker 1>can lead to metabolic problems, it can lead to arthritis.

0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's implicated in wide ranging medical problems. So

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:12.719
<v Speaker 1>this sort of opens up a door into a whole

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:15.880
<v Speaker 1>arena of new research that could take place about how

0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:19.320
<v Speaker 1>our genes are not just helping defend us from these

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:23.839
<v Speaker 1>seasonal epidemics, but also in how they put us at risk. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier we mentioned the idea that there are certain like

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<v Speaker 1>cardiovascular problems that people have increased risk of of of

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<v Speaker 1>dying from in the winter, and this also seems to

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<v Speaker 1>indicate that there are inflammation related problems that could really

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<v Speaker 1>put us at risk in these months, and maybe studying

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<v Speaker 1>the way our genes change over the seasons could help

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 1>figure out ways help us figure out ways to protect us. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>a question in the study, of course, is what exactly

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:53.279
<v Speaker 1>triggers the change in gene expression. Is it the temperature,

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:55.879
<v Speaker 1>is it the length of the days and how much

0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:59.440
<v Speaker 1>the body has access to sunlight, or could it be

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<v Speaker 1>something else? I mean, maybe it's not impossible. There could

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<v Speaker 1>be some kind of cultural practices that that trigger this,

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:08.279
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't seem likely because it's manifested across so

0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:11.080
<v Speaker 1>many different countries and regions. Yeah, it would be different

0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:13.800
<v Speaker 1>there if there's a group where they eat a particular

0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:17.319
<v Speaker 1>pickled fish during the winter, and you could you could

0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:19.960
<v Speaker 1>potentially blame it all on that one pickled fish totally.

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<v Speaker 1>So the traditions that cast us as seasonal shape shifters

0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:27.400
<v Speaker 1>are in many ways literally correct. There are ways in

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 1>which our bodies are adapting to these seasonal changes to

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<v Speaker 1>make us a different kind of animal when the winter

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<v Speaker 1>sets in. Isn't that interesting? I mean, not only does

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:40.440
<v Speaker 1>it back up this idea that there there is a

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<v Speaker 1>winter self in some ways, but it also just drives

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:48.200
<v Speaker 1>home the the ever changing nature of of of the

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 1>human being. You know, not just not just in in

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.360
<v Speaker 1>our thoughts and our memories, but not just in the

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 1>aging of the body and the acquiring and the healing

0:39:57.719 --> 0:40:02.440
<v Speaker 1>of injuries or or illnesses, but that our our body

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<v Speaker 1>is going through cyclical phases in order to keep up

0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:09.920
<v Speaker 1>and thrive within the seasons of our environment, even if

0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:13.200
<v Speaker 1>we don't actually hibernate. Now here's the question I really

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<v Speaker 1>want to understand. What is the biological mechanism that forces

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<v Speaker 1>humans to continually make new adaptations of Charles Dickens, a

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas Carol starring the cast of pre existing franchises of cartoons,

0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:30.520
<v Speaker 1>well you got flint Stones, You've got Mr Magoo, you

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<v Speaker 1>got uh. I'm sure I'm forgetting something. I bet there's

0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:36.279
<v Speaker 1>like a Jetson's Christmas Carol. Was it really a flint

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 1>Stone's Christmas Carrol? Yeah, there's a flint Stones. There's famously

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<v Speaker 1>a Mickey Christmas Carol. Yeah, yeah for me and Muppets.

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Muppets for me. I really only have two that I get,

0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:49.640
<v Speaker 1>really only one. It's got to be the musical Scrooge.

0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 1>One of the few musicals that I enjoy uh to

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.759
<v Speaker 1>this day is is the Albert Finney. Albert Finney is Scrooge,

0:40:57.120 --> 0:40:59.560
<v Speaker 1>and that the film all has wonderful songs and also

0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:03.320
<v Speaker 1>like one of the darker visions of the supernatural elements

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 1>found in a Christmas Carol, like that the ghosts are

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:11.920
<v Speaker 1>all tremendously frightening. Um Alec Guinness plays Marley, and I

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:14.479
<v Speaker 1>believe that even muscular devil show up. There's a scene

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:17.680
<v Speaker 1>where Scrooge is in hell and having to deal with

0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:20.440
<v Speaker 1>the chains of hell, and you have all these muscular

0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:24.799
<v Speaker 1>red devils trooping around. That's awesome. Have you ever seen

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:29.040
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen forty nine vincent Price Christmas Carol? What no

0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 1>I had no idea he ever played No, no, no,

0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:34.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't get excited. He doesn't play Scrooge. He just

0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:37.320
<v Speaker 1>shows up holding a book and it's like, well, Charles

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:41.959
<v Speaker 1>Dickens and sort of introduces it. It's it's worth a watch.

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:45.840
<v Speaker 1>It's on YouTube. It's hilarious. It's uh, probably the worst

0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:48.479
<v Speaker 1>adaptation of a Christmas Carol I've ever seen. A list

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<v Speaker 1>of issues include it spells Ebeneezer wrong in the opening credits,

0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:55.239
<v Speaker 1>It gets the title of the book wrong. It is

0:41:55.280 --> 0:41:59.239
<v Speaker 1>called the Christmas Carol. You can sometimes see like the

0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Wrong Side have set walls, so there's just like beams

0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 1>holding up the walls of the set, and their Scrooge

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 1>is this guy who's like krish Mesh, Hey, creish Mesh. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>now here's the here's the question. You see so many

0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:15.920
<v Speaker 1>different actors who have played Dracula, so many different actors

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:19.120
<v Speaker 1>have played Scrooge. But how many actors can you think

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<v Speaker 1>I have played both? The only one that comes to

0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:24.439
<v Speaker 1>my mind off hand is Jack Palince, WHOA that's good.

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Was Michael Caine ever Dracula? Oh No, I don't think

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:30.319
<v Speaker 1>he was. It seems like it seems like he could.

0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 1>He easily could have been Kane could have played Dracula.

0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:36.279
<v Speaker 1>But I go through the others like um, has uh

0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:42.600
<v Speaker 1>Albert Finney ever played Dracula? Knowledge has has Luis Jordan

0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:45.920
<v Speaker 1>ever played Scrooge? No? I don't think there's ever been

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:48.839
<v Speaker 1>a French Scrooge. Likewise, like all the Draculas and all

0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 1>the Scrooges, there seems to be very little overlap between

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the two roles much, you know, much less the characters.

0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:56.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone's ever made a Christmas Carol with

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<v Speaker 1>Dracula in it was Gary Oldman? Ever Scrooge? I don't

0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:03.320
<v Speaker 1>think he was, But again, there's no reason why he shouldn't.

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:07.040
<v Speaker 1>He's played Churchill, and I believe what Albert Finney's played Churchill.

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:10.080
<v Speaker 1>So it's there's there's every reason in the world that

0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:12.239
<v Speaker 1>you would see more crossover between these two roles. Do

0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:14.800
<v Speaker 1>you hear about the upcoming Christmas Carol with Christian Bale

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 1>is Scrooge? Is that true? Is that real? No? I'm

0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:20.920
<v Speaker 1>missing because Christian Pale they all ever played Dracula. I

0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:23.920
<v Speaker 1>guess not. He's got to choose, right, there's some hidden,

0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:28.080
<v Speaker 1>like hooded council that decides whether you get to play

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Scrooge or Dracula, and unless you're Jack Talents, you cannot

0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 1>choose both. We're just digging ourselves deeper and deeper. All right, Well,

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:38.799
<v Speaker 1>this week I feel like we've we've really had a

0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 1>fabricous exploration here of of how we think about our

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:46.640
<v Speaker 1>winter selves, how we culturally frame our winter selves in

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:50.640
<v Speaker 1>some cases, and then what our body is actually doing

0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 1>during the winter. What is it doing differently, how is

0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:58.040
<v Speaker 1>it adapting, how is it behaving within different parameters, and

0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 1>what those two different things we have to do with

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:03.520
<v Speaker 1>each other. Yeah. So I would suggest for listeners out there,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing you might want to try this winter is

0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:08.720
<v Speaker 1>come up with the new winter name for yourself. Yes,

0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:12.879
<v Speaker 1>I like this, either an adaptation of your existing name

0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:17.000
<v Speaker 1>or just something altogether new but fitting for the winter you.

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's just your name but with a W as

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 1>the first letter. Yeah, so Woe and Wobert. Yeah. Or

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 1>it could be more like, really more of a title

0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:30.080
<v Speaker 1>that defines what you do. Like he who binge watches

0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Netflix and eats chili, that's sort of a thing. He

0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:36.759
<v Speaker 1>who foolishly buys fresh tomatoes in the winter, that's a

0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 1>good one. But hey, we'd love to hear from all

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<v Speaker 1>of you out there. What would your winter name be?

0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:44.560
<v Speaker 1>And indeed, how is the winter you different from the

0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:48.080
<v Speaker 1>summer you? Do you experience seasonal effective disorder? Uh? Do

0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:51.279
<v Speaker 1>you think you have seasonal effective disorder? Either way, let

0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:53.239
<v Speaker 1>us know we would love to hear from you. Oh

0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:57.040
<v Speaker 1>and especially if we have any listeners with Quakua heritage,

0:44:57.200 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 1>I would love to hear from you with your thoughts

0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:03.000
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