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Speaker 1: Someday, my kids are going to come back and say

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Speaker 1: thank you that you dragged us during mid terms to

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Speaker 1: fly over to Realm for forty eight hours to meet

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Speaker 1: the Pope.

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Speaker 2: Today's guest is a true music icon, one of my

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Speaker 2: favorites ever.

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Speaker 3: It is Cheryl Crow.

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Speaker 2: Nine time Grammy Winner, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee.

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Speaker 3: She has so many awesome songs.

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Speaker 2: Before becoming a superstar, she toured his backup singer for

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Speaker 2: Michael Jackson on his Bad Tour way back in the day,

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Speaker 2: and across more than three decades she sold over thirty

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Speaker 2: five million albums, also becoming an advocate for cancer research,

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Speaker 2: hunger relief education.

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Speaker 3: She is still touring. Go watch her.

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Speaker 2: Go to Cheryl Crow dot com or to our socials,

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Speaker 2: go to shows. As we talk about, she still plays.

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Speaker 3: All the hits and she has a ton of them,

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Speaker 3: still making music, and we're going to talk. Now.

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Speaker 2: Here's my conversation with one of my favorite artists of

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Speaker 2: Cheryl Crow.

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Speaker 3: Cheryl, great to see you, Good to see you.

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Speaker 2: I always love seeing you. I think the last time

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Speaker 2: we saw each other was can you name it?

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Speaker 4: Well? Was that your house.

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Speaker 3: No, since then, oh where were we? Exactly?

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Speaker 4: Exactly, well, we were in it.

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Speaker 2: This is not one of those where I've got youa

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Speaker 2: in you because it'd be hilarious if you remember it,

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Speaker 2: because it wasn't like a formal setting.

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Speaker 4: It was a yeah, where was it at a restaurant?

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Speaker 3: It was in a parking lot.

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Speaker 4: It was in a parking lot at the mall.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's right. Oh my god, that is

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Speaker 4: right Hills Mall.

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Speaker 3: That's right here. And I was like, oh no, oh Cheryl.

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Speaker 4: Yea all good, Yes, I remember exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's great to see you.

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Speaker 4: It's good to see you too.

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Speaker 1: And you're a new dad and I love that. I

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Speaker 3: Love that too.

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Speaker 4: But I'm just going to give you one little piece

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Speaker 3: It goes really fast. People say that to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, write everything down, like there's certain little things. Both

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Speaker 1: my boys love hearing about five any things they said

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Speaker 1: time goes on, you will write them down because they

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Speaker 2: It feels now that everything's going really slow. I know

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Speaker 2: Our baby is barely over a month old, five weeks

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Speaker 2: like a literal old dad because I didn't have a kid. Tell,

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Speaker 2: I was in my forties, right, which is weird because

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Speaker 1: Okay, I got my second kill when I was forty five. Nope,

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Speaker 3: And did you feel that way with other parents.

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Speaker 1: I've always felt young, and I live in I have

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Speaker 1: Decisions were so easy based on like I don't want

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Speaker 2: But also I was so scared of raising a kid

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Speaker 3: Was raised because we were very, very.

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Speaker 2: Poor, and I was my whole life. I was like,

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Speaker 2: but that has been a concern of mine. But you're

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Speaker 1: I have to say, you know, I have my own

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Speaker 3: But your kid picked you.

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Speaker 1: At this moment, you're ready and you don't want to

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Speaker 1: mean I literally sound like a self help book. But

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Speaker 1: not be more brother ish, could not be more of

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Speaker 1: Now when you're in your twenties, do you really want

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know if I could have,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I and I still struggle with

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Speaker 2: I'm just now figuring out I was all trauma at

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Speaker 2: me like, like rethink things. I was very resentful towards

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Speaker 2: What what should I expect of teenagers with no money?

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Speaker 2: And I would be resentful towards them, But then I

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Speaker 2: My heart's a little grateful for that. It never was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'll tell you what, the older they get,

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Speaker 4: So many things can go wrong, you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean I think I tell my kids this all

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you have a college fund, and you have

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Speaker 1: and need somebody to help you walk through the mythology

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Speaker 4: Because we're humans, you know.

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Speaker 1: And like my older one, whyat when he was little,

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Speaker 1: And literally I could be just like reading, you know,

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Speaker 1: Now, when I was a kid, I got the same

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Speaker 4: We don't have a handbook for how to raise kids.

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Speaker 4: But that's the reality, that's what they do.

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Speaker 2: It's funny that stuff matters to me now because my

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Speaker 2: wife and I last night we're talking and we have

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Speaker 2: a brief period each night when the baby's a sleep

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Speaker 2: that and I have two therapists, one for me, one

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Speaker 2: I always think when people try to define God that

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Speaker 1: get out, just get out. And I watched it and thought,

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Speaker 1: is this really happening?

443
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Speaker 5: You know?

444
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 4: And the pastor.

445
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 1: Who's got so many followers, who said so many awful

446
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 1: things about racist comments and comments about women not having

447
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,360
Speaker 1: the right shouldn't have the right to vote, but only

448
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 1: bear arms, and I mean you should only bear children,

449
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: not bear arms.

450
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Speaker 3: But that that's for the husband.

451
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:13,120
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's It does make raising kids simpler

452
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Speaker 1: in the fact that there are only a couple of

453
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Speaker 1: things our kids need to know, and that is to

454
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Speaker 1: be a good person.

455
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 4: To look around. I tell my kids this all the time.

456
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 1: Your job is to look around and say where can

457
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: I help somebody? And you should do it every day

458
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: because when you bless somebody, it's really your blessing.

459
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Speaker 4: You get blessed.

460
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Speaker 1: And there's no better feeling than stopping and giving somebody

461
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Speaker 1: money or asking somebody if you can help them, And me.

462
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Speaker 3: It's the teachings of Christ. What you're saying right there,

463
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 3: that's literally, that.

464
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Speaker 1: Is the teachings of Christ. Yes, that's all you need

465
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Speaker 1: to know. If you want to quot scripture at me,

466
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Speaker 1: then I'm going to hit the restroom and then I

467
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: might go out to the parking lot for a smoke.

468
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Speaker 1: And when you come back and you're done with your scripture, great,

469
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Speaker 1: But those are the only things I need to know

470
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Speaker 1: right there.

471
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Speaker 4: You know, I.

472
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Speaker 3: Saw a picture of you and your kids with the Pope.

473
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Speaker 3: That was an awesome picture. I love him. That was Yeah,

474
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:06,719
Speaker 3: it was awesome.

475
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Speaker 4: I have to tell you, and I cannot wait until

476
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Speaker 4: you make your daughter mad.

477
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 3: Well, that's a weird thing to not wait for. I'm

478
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Speaker 3: curious to know why.

479
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 1: Because when she gets to be a teenager and you go, okay,

480
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: this is an opportunity that someday you will thank me for.

481
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: You will not believe the eye rolling you will get

482
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Speaker 1: from your teenager. It is And I know someday my

483
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 1: kids are going to come back and say thank you

484
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Speaker 1: that you dragged us during mid terms during our review

485
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Speaker 1: week to fly over to Rome for forty eight hours

486
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Speaker 1: to meet the Pope. I'm waiting until they come back

487
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Speaker 1: and say thank you for doing that. But to me,

488
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Speaker 1: if you in this climate want to talk about holy

489
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 1: teaching or teaching that is aligned with Christ, especially if

490
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: you're going to a Christian school, then just listen to

491
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Speaker 1: what he's own teaching, the teachings of Christ. To take

492
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: care of immigrants, take care of the stranger, feed the hungry,

493
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: help the poor. That's it, you know. But I will

494
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: tell you something really funny. I find my kids over there.

495
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Speaker 3: How did you even get the opportunity?

496
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Speaker 4: Okay, so this is random. You get asked. I'm sure

497
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Speaker 4: you do too.

498
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Speaker 1: You get asked to do some kind of obscure things

499
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Speaker 1: and you weigh it and you go, I've never even

500
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Speaker 1: heard of that.

501
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 4: Why would I do that?

502
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Speaker 1: I got invited to do the Vatican Christmas and it's

503
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,959
Speaker 1: a great big fundraiser that they do every year, sponsored

504
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: by an organization that works with the Vatican. It's completely charitable.

505
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: This one, I think was helping with schools and africas

506
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Speaker 1: I recall maybe Ethiopia it was. And I was the

507
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: only American on it, didn't know anybody else. They were

508
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: all like very big stars from other countries. And I said, yeah,

509
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: I'll do that because I get to meet the Pope,

510
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: and I love this Pope and I want my children

511
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Speaker 1: to meet this pope.

512
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Speaker 4: I want my kids. Were really going through it when.

513
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: There is a mindset of Christian influencers and then there's

514
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: Christians and they're asking a lot of hard questions. I

515
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: was like, this is this is important to me and

516
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: hopefully someday it'll be important to them.

517
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Speaker 3: So we go over.

518
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Speaker 1: My son is waiting to hear if he's going to

519
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: get into the college that he wants to get into,

520
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: and I was like, dude, you're gonna meet the pope.

521
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 4: Just ask him to put in a good word with

522
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 4: the guy upstairs. When we got back to the hotel

523
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 4: right after meeting thee and he opened his computer and

524
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 4: he got in so I was like, see.

525
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Speaker 3: That's awesome.

526
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: Whenever he's coming down and you actually see the Pope

527
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: that I just think there's only been a few even

528
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: huge like celebrities I've met where I've been like, I'm jaded.

529
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Speaker 3: I'm sure you are too, in a good way, in

530
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: a bad way. Always.

531
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just people are it's the Pope, it's the position. Yeah,

532
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: when you see him's at a pretty cool moment.

533
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Speaker 3: It is.

534
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I guess as an American, you think.

535
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Speaker 1: You're going to be like, hey about the white Saux,

536
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: you know, and you're gonna be high five and all

537
00:25:59,440 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: that stuff.

538
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 4: He is very very.

539
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: He's very reserved, like we didn't really know what to expect.

540
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: You know, we're we're going to talk about barbecue and

541
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: Chicago and all that stuff. And and I when I

542
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 1: met him, I didn't want to monopolize this time. There

543
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: was like a long line of people, and I had

544
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: my boys, and I just said, you know how much

545
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: it meant to me that he was really spreading the

546
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: teachings of Christ, because for me, no matter what your

547
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: belief system is, those teachings are teachings that should be

548
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: to me, you know, mimicked by all of us and

549
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: and all he what he said to and I said,

550
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: it really matters to me, especially now with what's happening

551
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 1: in our country. And he said yes, he was only

552
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: in my head. And he said, yes, we all have

553
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,719
Speaker 1: to work together. And I was like, okay, that's very popey,

554
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: you know, very very popy. And then I introduced my

555
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,239
Speaker 1: sons and he was very you know, but I mean,

556
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: it's got to be it's got to be a hard job,

557
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's like any other job because you're so

558
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: highly scrutinized.

559
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 4: But he was lovely.

560
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: His his demeanor was very, very peaceful.

561
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 3: I know.

562
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: The last pope was much more jovial and outgoing, although

563
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: he didn't speak any English, you know, he was just

564
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: very and this Pope is much more sort of observant.

565
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I just I have a lot

566
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: of respect for him by Virginie of the fact that

567
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: I just feel like he's just saying exactly what Chris said.

568
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: You know, my wife and I went to Italy.

569
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 2: I can think it was the first time we ever

570
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: went a few years ago, and so obviously i'd never

571
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: been to that again. And we had booked this trip

572
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 2: to go. We got a guide to take us, and

573
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: I got COVID. No, and so she went, you.

574
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 4: Got to go back.

575
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 3: I know.

576
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: You know, it's really funny. I tipped my kids in

577
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: last summer. I took him to Rome.

578
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: I got COVID while I was there, while you were there,

579
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: I got COVID, I got COVID. Yeah, I was staying

580
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: in Rome.

581
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 4: But wait, did you see did you You didn't tour?

582
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 4: You were just stuck in the hotel.

583
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 3: You're stuck in the.

584
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: Hotel, like yeah, and she was like, yeah, she didn't

585
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: go to Italy without me. We were already in Italy,

586
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: right and then yeah, and she went into COVID and

587
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 2: I was like, you still have to go.

588
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you have to go back there. She went, yeah,

589
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 3: you have to go back and do the tour.

590
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 4: I mean, it's she said, it was amazing, it's amazing.

591
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: I mean now, when we went, it was very crowded

592
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: and the kids, the boys were like, why are you

593
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: making us do this? But they won't forget it. But

594
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 1: the thing I think was really interesting is taking them

595
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: to the coliseum. Oh crazy, because you go, okay, boys,

596
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: as bad as you think it is, nobody's piling into

597
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: a stadium to watch people get eaten by a tiger

598
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: or stab to death. You know, we have come at

599
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: least a little ways, you know, I mean, just to

600
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,479
Speaker 1: just to be in a place that's older than your

601
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: own country, you know, especially as a teenager, because there

602
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: are only so many awe moments you're going to have

603
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: as a teenager, because you're so self aware and so

604
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: like what am I missing?

605
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 4: You know, where's my phone? And they were they were

606
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 4: kind of blown away.

607
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 6: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the

608
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 6: Bobby Cast. I love a guide.

609
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: We had a guide take us to, yeah, the coliseumas

610
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, you know they don't there's not a floor.

611
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: It's basically underneath where the floor was. You can see

612
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: how it advanced it was, yes, and how they would

613
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 2: get room to room, and they had elevators and lifts.

614
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: But when again I will nerd out of a guide.

615
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter where we are a guide too.

616
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And.

617
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: So just to hear the stories of there were a

618
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: couple of different ways that people fought. Either there were

619
00:29:54,600 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 2: basically prisoners that would fight and or people that had

620
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: no money and it was their only way. And if

621
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: you had if you got a certain amount of wins,

622
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: it's very much like Gladiator the movie. And if you

623
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: could win a certain amount, then then you would be

624
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: almost elevated as a citizen and you would have money

625
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: for your family. So it was either people who got

626
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: in trouble and were in jail or people that just

627
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: wanted a better life for their families. And they were

628
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: the ones down fighting in the coliseum.

629
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Speaker 1: Can you even And the people were like, you know,

630
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: we want we want them to live and fight again,

631
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: or I mean, and how it would last like days

632
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: and the rich people would be at the very top

633
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: and the women would be you know, women weren't allowed

634
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: to hang out with them.

635
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 4: It's just.

636
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 3: This is crazy, because you're right, we this country has

637
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: not been around long.

638
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 4: It has not been around long.

639
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: I remember I was in Philadelphia and I was, I

640
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: don't know, doing sulting out there for work, and we

641
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: went looked at the Rocky Statue and then saw the

642
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: Liberty Bell. But then we went over and it was

643
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: like Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Independence and it was like,

644
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: you know, seventy but it was right next to a

645
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: seven eleven. There's seven eleven built like right next to

646
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: the house. But that so that that was weird. And

647
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: then two just a couple and fifty years we're I mean,

648
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: we're hitting that.

649
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: But that's nothing. First of I went to Lune. I

650
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 3: never went anywhere as a kid. So Arkansas that's about it.

651
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: Where'd you go up in Arkansas Central like hot springs

652
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: on a rock that area.

653
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 3: So I grew up.

654
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: I grew up like three miles from the Arkansas border Missouri, right.

655
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 4: And about eight miles from Tennessee.

656
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, so, and we spent a lot of time

657
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: in Fatteville now, and that's where University of Arkansas was, So.

658
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 4: Matt Orthodox was in Jonesboro.

659
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: That's the right side. Listen. I've been everywhere in Arkansas.

660
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: I didn't a big state. The movie theater was in Blivel.

661
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: I went to Bible a lot. They had the boat

662
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 3: they made the boats in Bible. Yeah, like the track

663
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: or they had. I forget what boat company was.

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Speaker 2: But I'd never been out of Arkansas much until I

665
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Speaker 2: got a little older. Then I left the state a

666
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Speaker 2: little bit, but I never left the country until I

667
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Speaker 2: started to nobody did.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm older than you, but I mean people

669
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Speaker 1: didn't get on planes.

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Speaker 4: I mean no, hardly ever.

671
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Speaker 1: I mean we were middle class, so I probably was

672
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Speaker 1: better off than what you were from what I understand,

673
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Speaker 1: but we still didn't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, well, first time I went to London, I

675
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: was blown away. Yeah, at the age of stuff.

676
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, just that alone, there'd be a building from the

677
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Speaker 2: thirteen hundreds. Yeah. I'm not a crier for the most part.

678
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: And it's not a masculinity thing. It's a vulnerability thing.

679
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,479
Speaker 2: So growing up, I felt like I could never cry

680
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: because I couldn't be vulnerable. So I'm naturally inclined to

681
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: not cry. I don't fight it anymore, but mostly I

682
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: just lock up and don't. There have been a couple

683
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: of times, but we went into this massive church in

684
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: Austria and it was it was like like twelve hundred

685
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: and like for some reason, I just started crying. And

686
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: I think it was because that had just mattered for

687
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: so much longer than anything I had ever been around,

688
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: Like it had mattered to people, Yeah, for so long. Yeah,

689
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: and that made me emotional. Yeah, because you're right.

690
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: We're here.

691
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: We're two hundred and fifty years in there, one hundreds

692
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Speaker 2: and is wild?

693
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Speaker 1: I no, And you know, I think now more than ever,

694
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: I feel the ego of America. You know, we've listened

695
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: to so long about how we are the exceptional country,

696
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: and watching what's happening now, I feel like we're all

697
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: getting very desensitized to the ego aspect of our country

698
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: and you know, coming in and demolishing and all.

699
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 4: In the name of making it better for other people.

700
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: And I think it's just it's going to be an

701
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Speaker 1: interesting time when we come through these next couple of

702
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: years to see where we land, you know, especially we're

703
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: getting ready to celebrate two hundred and fifty years, which

704
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: does not feel to me. It doesn't feel and this

705
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: sounds awful. It doesn't feel like weorth celebrating at this moment.

706
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: Like I'd like to celebrate what we really stand for,

707
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: but I don't see that happening next year. I feel

708
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: like it's going to be a huge celebration of ego

709
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: and who we've conquered and how rich we are, and

710
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, all all the things that seem that right

711
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: now are masking what's really happening in this country, and

712
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: that bums me out.

713
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: It's hard to celebrate and be joyous when there's so

714
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: much division in vitriol, and it's.

715
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: Been sown right in front of us, you know, it's

716
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: been you know, I've had lots of conversations with even

717
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: people in my own family about well, Biden, this will Obama,

718
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: this will even Bush this or reaganess or whatever. And

719
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: I don't remember a time when anybody who was supposedly

720
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: the leader of all of us would say that some

721
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: of us were the enemy. And it really has seeped

722
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: in to the national conversation. It seeped into our families

723
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: at the dinner table. It's an incredibly effective tact to

724
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: keep us at each other's throats, and it's been disheartening.

725
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: I think, you know, one of the things for me

726
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: that's been helpful is being quiet. And I've limited my

727
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: surfing on Instagram and all that stuff to like ten

728
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: minutes a day because it really does do damage to

729
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: the spirit.

730
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 4: But we are spirits. It's like what you said, we

731
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 4: are souls.

732
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: We come, we're here for a minute. You either leave

733
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: the campground nicer than you found it or you don't.

734
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: I was raised to leave it nicer. I'm that obnoxious

735
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: person that walks around the beach with a plastic bag

736
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: and fills it with crap.

737
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 3: My kids are like, why do you have to be

738
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 3: that person?

739
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: But all you can do is, you know, model to

740
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: other people it's okay to actually be a good, nice

741
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: person and to not hate, and to not listen and

742
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: to not join and just try to look around and

743
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: go where can I help somebody? Because I mean, literally,

744
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: I'm sixty four, I'm counting my summers and I don't

745
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: feel that.

746
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 4: But we're not here very long. I mean we are

747
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 4: literally not here very long.

748
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: To waste it for one second buying in to that

749
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: kind of hate coming from a pastor, or from a president,

750
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: or from anybody.

751
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 4: It's just not worth it.

752
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: My hope is that this is part of a cycle

753
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: that has happened many times over, and it's just it's

754
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: happened so many times just like this, and just like

755
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: every other time, we've gotten out of it. And by we,

756
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: I mean the human race. Yeah, because this feels to me,

757
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: and it's probably because I'm the most aware though now

758
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: like the worst it's ever been in my life.

759
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, But you know, I wasn't an adult. I wasn't

760
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 3: an adult in nineteen sixty nine.

761
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: I wasn't an adult in Mongolia when there are all

762
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: these eras and times or during.

763
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 3: The crusades or all those times seem to be pretty rough. Yeah,

764
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: And I just think it's surely.

765
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Speaker 2: We've gotten through this as humans many times over, because

766
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: may I don't want to be at the end.

767
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 4: Well, okay, so that whole end thing, I know that.

768
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to get started on the

769
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 4: whole biblical thing.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think just environmentally too, Yes, I agree, I agree.

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Speaker 1: I would say that because and this is totally just

772
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: my take on it. There was a great book that

773
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: came out about twenty years ago that I read called

774
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: The Fourth Turning, and it basically documented through history like

775
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: the twenty year cycles of you know, coming out of

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00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: World War Two. You know, the war created a lot

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00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: of jobs, and then out of that we went into

778
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, the fifties where women were in the kitchen

779
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: and their role was to make dinner. And then there

780
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: became like this, wait a minute, why would I you know,

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00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: social unterests asking questions we entered in the sixties. The

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00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: sixties was you know, like the twenty year cycles and

783
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: what be got what and what changed from these monumental

784
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: moments in history. Well, so now our monumental moments are

785
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: they're worldwide because with technology, there is no it's not

786
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: like neighborhood, it's not like community. This is happening everywhere.

787
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: But the outcome of that will also be something huge,

788
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: and maybe it is a moment of enlightenment. You know,

789
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: maybe it is a we have a moment where and

790
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 1: I'm starting to see it now where people are asking

791
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: questions about how long have we been living with corrupt

792
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: with our lives being manipulated by the powerful, who have

793
00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: all the money, who have all the power.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

795
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 5: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 3: Two things.

797
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Speaker 2: One, I did an interview, okay, and they had me

798
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: with my top ten favorite artists of all time and

799
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: it was an order. Here we were one of my

800
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Speaker 2: top ten favorite artists of.

801
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 4: All time, I'm one of yours. You're kidding me.

802
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 3: I'm not making that up by there. Yeah, so thank you.

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00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: That is.

804
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 4: Okay, I have to.

805
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: I'm going through them all the other day on a

806
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: Sunday looking like crap, which I never put on makeup.

807
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: I'm walking with my fifteen year old. An older couple

808
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: walks by and he said he heard him say, I

809
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: think that's Cheryl grow And he said, mom, did you

810
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: hear that? I said no, and he goes, they I

811
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: think they thought that was you. And I was like,

812
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: oh really, And I could see him thinking, He's like,

813
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: so when you you were like like when you were

814
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: like really happening, were you like, were you like the

815
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift? I was like, oh my god, I was

816
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: like so much bigger than her. It's just funny, you know.

817
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: I'm very touch. That's very that's very cool.

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Speaker 3: So I knew you were coming in and so in

820
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Speaker 3: no order. You were high up there though County.

821
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 4: Crows yep, I love them. We came at the same

822
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 4: time you did.

823
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 6: Yeah.

824
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's my favorite band ever.

825
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: And now I really don't always believe now and they

826
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: don't meet your heroes type thing, because who knows.

827
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 3: People are just people.

828
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: Heck, your hero could just be sick with the day

829
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: you meet him and it's a bad experience, or give

830
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 2: the album.

831
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 4: I met Adam.

832
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 2: So yes, I met Adam, but I didn't want to

833
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: because I had not heard that he was mean. But

834
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: he just was like completely disconnected and like, did so

835
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: that's just I'd heard a couple of times. Yeah, And

836
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, I'm an adult. I

837
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,479
Speaker 2: don't I can separate, Yeah, unless it's like r Kelly.

838
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 2: I can separate art and artists.

839
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 3: And so I.

840
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: I had him just into the studio and I was like, hey, man,

841
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: I'm a massive fan. And he goes, you were going

842
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: to come and come to a meet and greet and

843
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, I backed out. He said why, I said,

844
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 2: because I don't want to meet you because I don't

845
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: want to not like you because you have a favorite,

846
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: and he goes totally get it.

847
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 3: And now at this point he's awesome, like he's.

848
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 4: Yeah he is. I love him. I do like we

849
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 4: dm he comes to.

850
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: He's a good dude.

851
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

852
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: I mean he's eccentric. And that's what you want him

853
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: to be. I mean that face, that hair, that voice,

854
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: those I mean you want him.

855
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: To not just be like, you know, normal people make

856
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 3: normal art. I don't want somebody.

857
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, he's exactly what you want him to be.

858
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: Ben Folds, John Mayor, Love John Sheryl Crow, Weezer, Garth Brooks,

859
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: Casey Musgraves, Buddy Holly, Bill Withers, Beastie.

860
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 4: Boys, Oh my god, him, that's amazing.

861
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 3: Eclectic, except not really. I had Napster.

862
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 4: Still though. I mean, that's that's a that's a great list.

863
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 4: I love that you had BECI boys.

864
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

865
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 2: I was like, they're well, I'm from Arkansas, so we

866
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: didn't have anybody Jewish. So I was like, those white

867
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: kids are rapping. I was like, that's crazy, hilarious.

868
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: And so you don't know that's about me.

869
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: But when I was like in my mid twenties, i'd

870
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 2: signed a record deal as a white rapper very briefly

871
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: and Beastie Boys.

872
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: Where they were like that was like my group. It

873
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: was awesome. My name is Captain Caucasian. You met her?

874
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 3: My stuff?

875
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I have not On occasion, I will

876
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 4: just play not Mistay around my house.

877
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: Reggieiot, thank you very much. What so we people?

878
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 2: We have people bring in music that matters the most

879
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: to them and it's kind of somebody that we want

880
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: to shine a lot on shining.

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00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: You asked me to bring him one and I couldn't. Okay,

882
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: there were you Okay, Well, I'm bringing in ones and

883
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: actually they meant something to me when they came out,

884
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: but now they mean more to me, which is really weird.

885
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: But songs in the Key of Life. When I was

886
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: a kid, this album came out we Hold for the Camera.

887
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 4: I was in the Key of Life. It was a

888
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 4: double album. It was a Stevie Wonder.

889
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm a piano player, I can play by ear and

890
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: that was this album made me feel like, I don't know,

891
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: I mean, this is going to sound really weird and

892
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: I hope nobody is offended by it. But when I

893
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: was young, I would go in to uh our living room,

894
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: I'd turn all the lights off and I would learn

895
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: his music. I'd learned Loves in Need of Love Today,

896
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: and I would play it with my eyes closed to

897
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: see what it felt like to be gifted like he was.

898
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: Now.

899
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: I was never gifted like he was, obviously, and thankfully

900
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: I'm not blind, but I mean he I just feel

901
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: like this album, in particular, he went so far deep

902
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: in spiritually to document what was going on.

903
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 4: In the world at the time.

904
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: And if you can imagine doing that and being blind

905
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: as a black man during the civil rights movement, to

906
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: not be able to actually witness it visually, but to

907
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: be able to bring it to music and document it.

908
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: I still believe that that is the highest form of inspiration,

909
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: and that artists who like him sat themselves down and

910
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: gave over to it and let us have it is

911
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: one of the highest.

912
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 3: Blessings there is.

913
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 4: It is truly a gift, a gift. Yes, we were

914
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 4: given a gift. That's exactly right.

915
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: And every time I hear this stuff, like I went

916
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: out and ran the other day and I was like,

917
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: what I want to hear? And I put on this album,

918
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: which I'll do every five years, and I run hard.

919
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: I cry.

920
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 4: I just in.

921
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm awe struck that anybody could do that, could just

922
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: go that far in and write these songs anyway. So

923
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: that's that's that Stevie Nicks rumors. This record for me

924
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: made me understand.

925
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 3: It's funny, you say, Stevie rumors. I know, and I

926
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 3: love the whole album.

927
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 1: But for her, listen, when I was like in eighth grade,

928
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: that was my hair. I started wearing like the shawls,

929
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: you know, I sang into the curly iron and that's

930
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: how weird life is. Many years later, I got to

931
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: produce her and I told her that that was like I.

932
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 4: Wanted to be you. I wanted to be you. But she,

933
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 4: you know, she was like country. She she was like

934
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 4: she loved country music so much.

935
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: Anyway, and then All Things Must Pass, which is one

936
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: of the greatest albums that was ever made.

937
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 4: George Harrison Pass.

938
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: Yes, as somebody who has gone through a lot of

939
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: spiritual journeys and ask a lot of questions, this album.

940
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 4: Was a game changer but also.

941
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: A life raft for me for a couple of years.

942
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: It helped me kind of find my way through the

943
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: disappointment of Christians. And I know that sounds harsh. I

944
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: have stories that go along with that, and I've come

945
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: back around to understanding that every faith.

946
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 4: Is made up of flawed people. You know.

947
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: So, but the best thing that we can do is

948
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: to quiet ourselves and not always be praising and asking,

949
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: but be listening, which is what meditation is. This was

950
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: about around the time I started meditating mindfulness, meditation, and

951
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: that saved my life.

952
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 4: And when I say it saved my life, actually mean it.

953
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 4: It saved my life.

954
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: So thank you for showing those and sharing that.

955
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

956
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: Final question, what are the five best Cheryl Crow songs

957
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: starting at number one?

958
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: Oh?

959
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 4: Wow?

960
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 3: Well, uh best technically or my favorites?

961
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 4: My favorite song?

962
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 3: Yea, let's doo favorites?

963
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: Okay'm mene my favorite which is number one? Uh, my

964
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: favorite mistake And it's the only song that when it

965
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: comes on the radio, I don't turn it off.

966
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 5: Do you like it?

967
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: Do you like how you sound?

968
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 5: I do?

969
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 4: But there I don't know. I think it's also how

970
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 4: it felt when I wrote it. It I don't.

971
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: I don't overanalyze it, criticize it, you know, whereas other

972
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: things I go, gosh, I wish I would have done this,

973
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: or would have.

974
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 3: Done that Best Songs Number two.

975
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: Redemption Day wrote it after I went and played for

976
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: the troops in Bosnia, came home, wound up writing about

977
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: asking questions about why do we go into the places

978
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: that we go into to create a presence When Rwanda

979
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: was under complete and total genocide, we were in Bosnia

980
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: defending you know, our oil. And then Johnny Cash recorded it,

981
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: so that was that's really the one you should check

982
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: out if you're gonna listen to it, if it makes

983
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: you happy. That was the result of my first record

984
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: being huge. In my second record, people going well, she

985
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: doesn't even write her own songs, so I was like, oh, really,

986
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: let me just here. And then every Day's Whining Road,

987
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: I would say that one that was the result of

988
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: a really good friend of mine who was in crowdit

989
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: house killing himself and.

990
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 4: It feeling too close to home.

991
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: So I wrote that song and then it wound up

992
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: actually strangely having a lot of different lives, particularly through COVID.

993
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: And then the last one I would say, mmm, gosh,

994
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: maybe I shall believe.

995
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 4: That's my faith my faith song strong enough to make it?

996
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, not really. I love the song.

997
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 3: I love playing it, but then I.

998
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes I go, maybe I should have done this or

999
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: I should have done that, But yeah, I do love it.

1000
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: I always tell people I've been engaged three times. I

1001
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: never got married, so I've never been divorced, so I have.

1002
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: All my money.

1003
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 4: Still.

1004
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 3: You are awesome.

1005
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 4: Oh thanks for having me, Bobby.

1006
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 2: And what was awesome is like we crammed in a

1007
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 2: little music talk at the end. Yeah, and that's that's

1008
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: like how you know it was great. I feel like

1009
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: it is great.

1010
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: You're gonna be a great dad. I'm your biggest fan,

1011
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 3: so I'm glad I made the list.

1012
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 4: I'm very flattery.

1013
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 3: I hope.

1014
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1015
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: I think I'll be a good dad because I'm so

1016
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 2: concerned I won't be a good dad. That's literally like

1017
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 2: the logical part of me goes, I think I'll be

1018
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: a good dad because I'm so worried.

1019
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be a good dad.

1020
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 4: You're going to be a great dad.

1021
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 3: And we talked about your towards up before you came in,

1022
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: And I hope do you play it? Do you play

1023
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:02,479
Speaker 3: all the hits?

1024
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: We play all the hits, Yes, definitely, And we are

1025
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: very very blessed because honestly, with the climent it is

1026
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: now and people making their own playlists and stuff. I

1027
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: don't know how you do it, but for us we

1028
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: have you know, about fourteen songs that generationally people know,

1029
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: and I do not take it for granted, so we

1030
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: are happy to play them.

1031
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 5: Love it.

1032
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, there she is. Thanks for having me,

1033
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 3: Sheryl Crow. Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.