WEBVTT - The BroadCast: 12/14/2018 ~ Lindsey Harding Learns a New Game 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.440 Being involved in basketball is nothing new for Lindsay Harding. 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:06.240 She played the sport for over two decades and has 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:09.600 competed at the highest of levels. But after calling it 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:11.440 a career a year and a half ago, she had 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.680 to figure out what was next. Ultimately, she landed a 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:18.040 scouting opportunity with the seventy sixers. I felt lucky enough 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.520 that they saw something in me and really wanted something different. 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:24.040 It wasn't just so you're a woman and you're here. 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.080 It's you've done things that most of these guys haven't done, 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.240 and we want to know with your experience, you know 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:32.320 how you see things. Armed with that well rounded perspective, 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:34.920 Harding has hit the ground running, spending a ton of 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:37.360 time on the road and trying to do what scouts do, 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:41.720 evaluate and gather information that could eventually benefit her organization. 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:43.920 Half of my job has to do with intel. You 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:46.440 just never know. It could be something so small that 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:50.440 can make a big difference in decisions. Harding story, and 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:52.760 now she's learning a new part of the game. On 0:00:52.800 --> 0:01:00.760 this episode of the broadcast What's Up out There seventy podcast, 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:05.000 people hope everything is going well. My name's Brian Seltzer. 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.839 Really looking forward to a having you back and listening 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:09.560 to this edition of the podcast. If you are a 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:12.960 return listener, be thrilled if this is your first time, 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:17.480 and see most of all, really excited to bring you 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:21.640 a conversation with a phenomenal basketball player and now new 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:25.040 addition to the seventy sixers family, Lindsay Harding, hired as 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.959 a scout by the Sixers over the summer. Before we 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.959 bring on Lindsay, a reminder that to subscribe to the podcast, 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:33.119 well you got to do is find our feeds on 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:38.679 any number of places Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Stitcher, SoundCloud, 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:43.400 tune in, pocketcasts, pretty much any podcasting platform that is 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.000 out there. All you gotta do is search Sixers podcast 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:48.680 network that will take you to our feed and then 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:54.160 please do subscribe. Lindsay Harding, let's quickly run through some 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:57.160 cliff notes of her biography and then bring her on 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.320 to talk more about her career and what it's been 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.960 where she now sees it possibly Heading played a duke, 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:08.200 graduated in two thousand and seven, number one pick in 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:12.000 that year's w NBA draft, A well rounded two way 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.960 point guard who made the w NBA All Rookie Team 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:18.760 her first year, was a Naismith College Basketball Player of 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:23.160 the Year the Women's Basketball Coaches Association Defensive Player of 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:26.280 the Year after a senior season at Duke, and in 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.760 addition to playing in the w NBA for a decade, 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:33.840 she also spent extensive time overseas, which ultimately led to 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.440 an opportunity for her to play for the Belarus women's 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:40.600 national team, and she had a spot in the Olympics 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:44.680 in two and sixteen in Brazil. So that's the thumbnail 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.600 sketch on Lindsay Harding. Now we'll bring her on to 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.560 talk more about how her career has helped put her 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.280 on a path towards joining the seventy six ers basketball 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.600 operations department in the role of a scout who's been 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:00.520 covering a little bit of everything rares at Lindsay for 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.880 a scout to have an opportunity to be situated, even 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.080 if only for a brief moment, on home base. So 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.440 as we're talking right now, what brings you to Camden 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.840 in the Philadelphia area? Just passing through over the course 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.200 of kind of thing, A very busy time of year 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.720 for you. I think everyone missed me. Every time I 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:21.680 come back, I get so many hugs. I'm a hugger anyway. No, 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.960 just been busy on the road watching all these teams, 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.680 and you know, I live here now. And it's funny 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.079 because everyone asked me, how how do you like Philadelphia? 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.359 I'm like, you know what, I'm not here long enough 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.720 to get a good feel of it. So whenever I 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.840 can and get back, I do come in and just 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.920 kind of reconnect with everybody. That's the main point of 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.360 all of this, as you know, being being able to 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:45.960 have conversations, maybe have some meetings if I need to, 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.520 and then after a couple of days I go back 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:51.839 out there. Well, let's get first things straight. First, are 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.480 the seventy six or a hugging organization? That was something 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.600 new to me? Well, you know what I think because 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:58.520 I don't know. Look, I don't know. If guys is 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:03.040 run around and hug each other, then me, I'm from 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:07.640 the South. I'm a hugger. I come in and it's 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:09.320 been a while. It's not like, Okay, if I saw 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.280 you every day, I'm not gonna hug you every day. 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.840 But there's some people that I really literally haven't seen 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.320 probably in a month, because when I come they're gone. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.839 So when I see them. It's a big little reconnection hug, 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.279 and then then we go. My first inclination is to 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.039 ask what your day to day is like, but I 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.800 almost think it might make more sense, like what's your 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.520 week to week like, even how much you're on the road, 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.719 and just what goes into your schedule? What is it like? 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:37.919 Give us a sample. Um, well, I'm I'm learning. You know, 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.680 this is my first time I'm trying to do plan 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.480 my own schedule. And I remember the first first month, 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:44.880 you know, we try to plan at least a month 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.240 in advance. I was excited, like I had a game 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.560 all the time, and everyone looked at me. They're like, 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.159 slow down, you're gonna understand what we're talking about. So 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.839 I try to do three to four games on a 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:58.719 couple of days, maybe off, two maybe three off. We'll 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.040 see and just kind of do that over and over 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.839 so I can have back to back games. You know, 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.400 I can have a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, maybe even 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.560 a Friday. Then I'll have Saturday Sunday off. Or I 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:13.479 may have a Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. It depends on 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:17.000 the schedule and who we're trying to see, and so 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.440 get up in the morning, and well, it depends if 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:21.840 there was a game tonight before. If there was a 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.440 game tonight before, get up the next morning, fly to 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.600 the next city. Why once you get there, that's when 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.800 I probably get a lot of work done during the day. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.920 Then you get to the arena about two hours before 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.719 the game. That's when your job kind of starts and 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:37.080 watch the game, go to sleep, and you do it 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.280 all over again. When I first started doing this job, 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:41.480 I was traveling maybe seventy five eighty percent of the 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.320 road games. And the one thing that I had absolutely 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.040 zero idea what type of toll it was going to take, 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.920 is just the notion of constant travel. It seems very 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.920 easy on the outside, especially when you take into account, well, 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.600 the team travels on these very nice Supremo Outcome planes 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:58.680 and you stay in the hotels, the team stays at 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.000 You don't have that type of life first of all now, 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.440 but then just constantly being on the move, it's it's 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:06.479 not just a mental drain. There's a physical side of 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:10.480 it too. It is it really makes a difference the 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:14.080 time that you're flying. I repeat that, the time that 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.599 you're flying makes a difference. So if I'm flying on 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.840 a ten eleven o'clock flight, I'm pretty good because I 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:21.840 got a good night's sleep and I can I can go. 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:23.800 And sometimes there are times where you have to take 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.240 that six o'clock because that's the only one, which means 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:29.560 you're getting up at four when the night before the 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.040 game was over at like eleven, and you ate. By 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:33.720 the time you got to bed, you got maybe three 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:35.600 or four hours, and you have to just kind of 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.760 go with it. So that's why when I'm on about 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.760 three or four games, I take those two days off 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.240 because I want to sleep it and catch up and 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:48.040 be healthy and just be good. If I'm not sleeping, well, 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.760 if I'm not healthy, I'm not going to do my job, 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.840 you know. Well, So it's a little difficult, but I'm 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:55.840 gonna use to it. Now now I'm kind of understanding 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:59.800 it and getting in my own rhythm, and now I'm 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.640 much more comfortable. There's a lot of stuff that I'd 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.239 like to touch upon over the course of this interview. Obviously, 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:10.440 you had a phenomenal playing career, really excellent at the 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.960 college in pro level and before that, obviously, but I 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:15.640 want to try and fill in some gaps first. So 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.200 you retired from the w NBA end of the two 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:22.080 thousand sixteen twenty sixteen season, went over to Turkey, went 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.000 overseas to play, and then what was in between after 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:27.800 Turkey and joining the seventy six ers, What was going 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:29.360 on then? What were the type of things you were 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:31.520 looking into? And then how ultimately did you land with 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.600 the seventy six ers. So I finished in twenty sixteen. 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:37.120 The WNBA then went overseas because that's what we all do. 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:40.600 We go WNBA overseason, just back and forth, played in Turkey. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:44.559 Istembel came back in May of twenty seventeen and was done. 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.320 So I took four months and just vacation. I was 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.760 on any beach I could and just a vacation. But 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:56.760 I spent time. I went to Summer League that summer 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.160 and tried to reconnect with a lot of people. I 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:03.160 knew I wanted to be in the NBA. I didn't 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.440 know exactly what capacity, but I knew that I had 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.880 a lot of relationships and I wanted to just talk 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:12.080 to people and have guidance and mentors and see what 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:17.640 they kind of suggest. And while I was there, Bethany Donophan, 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.480 who works at the NBA League office was telling me 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.080 about a program that they have they just started a 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:28.400 year before for former players who want to get in 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.560 the office and like the league office and understand that. 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:33.520 And I thought it would be a great opportunity. So 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.960 I interviewed for that and had that opportunity. It's called 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.520 a Basketball Operations Associates program. So I had to pack 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:43.040 up everything and moved to New York City lived there too. 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.000 It was about a year program. Then you got a 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:48.640 chance to kind of rotate throughout the different departments within 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:54.760 basketball operations, from referee data analytics to you know, CBA 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.920 seller cap, just everything to get an understanding. And it 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.560 also helps with the transition from playing of you know 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.760 what exactly what direction do I really want to go? 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.040 And while I was there, the one thing I can 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.360 tell you is, at least or now, I really didn't 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:11.720 want to be in that office twenty four seven and 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:13.880 I really wanted to work with a team. I missed 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.679 that competitiveness, I missed, you know, my team, and so 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:23.719 I from there. You know, someone who has relationships with 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:25.640 a lot of people, and I can talk to anybody. 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.160 I do, and you know, I talked to different teams 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:32.000 and organizations about you know, getting my foot in the 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:36.520 door and trying to help with with my next career. 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:40.120 And I had an opportunity here. I interviewed for this 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:44.280 position here for Philly, and I felt lucky enough that they, 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.680 you know, saw something in me that I can help, 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.160 you know. So it's it's great and I know that 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:56.040 they are definitely invested and really wanted something different, you know. 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.920 And it wasn't just so you're a woman and you're here. 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.680 It's you've done things that most of these guys haven't done, 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.040 and we want to know with your experience, you know, 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:07.520 how you see things, what were some of those things 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.680 they ever tell you, the people that you interviewed with, 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.400 what some of those distinguishing qualities were. I mean, I 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.640 think with my experience in Europe for being, you know, 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.719 one going back and forth with the w NBA. I mean, 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:20.680 when we're in Europe, we're there for seven eight months 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.640 and you're not on this resort, you're living, you have 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:27.319 a car, you have a grocery store, you live, and 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:31.640 you learn different cultures and all the different coaches I've 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:35.240 played for in the different styles, the different environments, just everything. 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:39.440 And then also transitioning back to the w NBA. I 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.760 had a chance to play for a national team, Belarus 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.240 national team and played with them, so all of those 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.839 experienced together and how I see things. If I never 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.480 played it in Europe, I would definitely not see the 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.120 game that I see it in the way I see 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.319 it now. How So can you elaborate on that a 0:10:55.320 --> 0:11:00.040 little bit? It's it's just different. It's just different. I 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:04.080 feel in Europe, the fours and fives were shooting threes 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.800 kind of before we were, you know, and they wanted 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.120 they wanted the bigs to come because they didn't have 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.079 bigs that were going to play down low and post 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.680 you up, you know, so they were kind of already 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.720 already doing that. Just as a style of play can 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.240 be different, they're practicing is different. You know. If you 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.880 look at the NBA team as the season goes on, 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.240 there's not a ton of practice. You know, after eighty 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:28.240 something games. These guys are tired, right, they have to focus, 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.120 but you still want to get things in. In Europe, 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:33.480 they will still practice you two a days in the 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.280 playoffs if they need to or if they feel it. 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.720 It's just different. But there are a lot of things 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:42.280 that I did learn from there. Things I like things 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.440 that I didn't like, but also just seeing and also 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.240 different talent too. Different players have played with that. Some 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.240 are not you would look at and you'd say they're 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.520 not a great athlete, they're not this and that, But 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:55.920 how do they keep ending with twenty and ten? There's 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.600 something about this this player that makes them good and 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.680 really like focusing on that too. Was it always going 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.320 to be personnel for you? Was there ever a chance 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.280 we could have seen Lindsay Harding and black and white 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.480 striped shirt, black pants being a referee. I know, right, 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.160 I had that kind of come in my head. I 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.280 had some people going to talk to me about that 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:21.680 opportunity of doing that, and of course coming from the 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:24.959 court running that sounds like fun and great and to 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:29.800 everyone's booing you and coming at you, and it no, 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.520 it's I think it's amazing when I had that time 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:37.640 in the league office and saw after every game, how 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.160 much I mean, there's a person that sits and reviews 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.920 eight hours of that one game. Did they do this right? 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.439 Is this a correct call? Is it not? It's crazy 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.679 what these refs kind of go through and people don't know. 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.240 People just see them out there and they disagree with 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.080 a call and they do all this stuff. You don't 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:59.120 know that these these men and women women now are 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:02.360 the best of what they do, just like the players are. 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:04.920 And to get to that level and to you know, 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.600 it's just amazing. But I don't think I really have that. 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.319 I like all positive, let's just put it that way. 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.520 I like all positive. And every time you walk in 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.200 it's like as a referee, they just see the jersey 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.880 and you're not a person. You are against us. It's 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:20.560 a point guard. You probably had to view the game 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.079 a certain way, and you did it at a very 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.800 elite level when you were playing. And I don't know 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:27.319 if it ever got to point in your career when 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:30.120 you started thinking what would happen after the career was 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.200 all said and done. Did you start looking at other 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.520 players differently? Did you find yourself evaluating talent while you 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.360 were out there playing on the court, And how is 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:43.200 that informed what you're doing now? And how is what 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:45.280 you're doing now a different way of looking at the games? 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.800 I think, I mean as a player and as a 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.960 point guard. You know Parsonnel, right, you have to know 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.199 who you're playing. Of course, your coaches have always given 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.400 you a scouting report and you know, and you also 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:58.800 have to do it on the floor, Like if I 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.760 know someone is amazing at going left and taking a 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.079 jump shot, I'm not going to let them go left right. 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:08.080 So you you you notice certain trends or certain things 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.760 that people do over and over, you know what I mean. 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.320 You know they're kind of bread and butter moves. So 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:14.680 you learn that and know that. But when I was playing, 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.599 I didn't just say I'm going to focus on personnel. 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:22.800 I was thinking more of and I said this before 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.640 and a lot of my interviews, it's it's it's relationships. 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:29.480 It's help in that that next direction and what that 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:34.760 next career. And about four or so five four years ago, 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.280 I had the opportunity to be an assistant coach in 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.520 Summer League with the Raptors, and I was still playing, 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:46.479 but I had that opportunity and it was a great experience, 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:48.640 and that's what really pushed me to you know what, 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.800 I really would love to try to have a career 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:55.080 in the NBA. So it was more, you know, how 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.760 can I get these experiences, how can I gain these relationships. 0:14:57.800 --> 0:14:59.800 I'm on the women's side, but I don't know these guys. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.400 I don't know these coaches. I don't know the gms. 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.600 How can I try to get there when I can? 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:06.520 So I spend a lot of time there doing that 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.280 when I was in Summer League. And again I told you, 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.200 I went back to Summer League after I finished to 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.440 see if I can get any opportunities. I think, almost 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.880 as tried and true as it is coaches warming up 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:20.080 players on a court part of the pregame rituals, at 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:24.359 least in NBA circles, seeing personnel people and scouts chatting 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.040 on the sidelines. What are those chats? Like? What are 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.160 they about? What are you finding and learning that they're about? 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.120 It is there like I always because I try to observe, 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.720 like is there a certain language that that scouts speak 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.720 that that you found or anything like that. I mean 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.120 I realized I start seeing the same people everywhere, you know, 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.440 and if and how the games work, they may be 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.080 on the same trip with you and maybe on the 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:50.240 same flight. You never know it. I mean it's interesting 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:55.640 because for me, especially now, it's developing those relationships. You know, 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.640 it's getting to know these people who they are, their background, 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:01.960 their path and how they got to where they were. 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:03.600 So like for me, a lot of it is that 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.320 and from that you just you know, you can chat 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.320 about anything, right. Half of my job is it has 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.840 to do with intel and information that I can get 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.320 that I feel will be useful for us. So and 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.480 it doesn't necessarily have to be about the teams that 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.760 you're watching. They may just say, hey, did you hear 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.920 about this? And I'm like no, and it's like, whoa, 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.480 that's information. Let me bring that back and see if 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.560 anyone else hurt that, and you know, is there any 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.600 truth to it? Or if you're watching a certain player 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:36.040 and you know, you may ask this another scout, what 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:37.960 do you think about this guy? And especially some of 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.240 these scouts who do college because they've been watching this 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:44.200 guy forever and it's really good to hear other people's opinion. 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.600 And but the biggest thing too is trying to get 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.200 you know, talk to coaches or other players or other 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:53.320 personnel there and just see because you just you just 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.320 never know it could be something so small that can 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:02.400 make a big difference in decision with organizations. As you said, 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.920 I'm learning and I'm learning that well, it's got to 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.320 be such a fascinating process to try and I would 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.600 think figure out how to judge what good information and 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.359 good intelligence is. Is that part of it too, where 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:16.880 everything you're taking in i'd have to assume people know 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.200 who you are, who you work for. Is a kind 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.119 of like judge it with a grain of salt? Or 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:25.960 how do you evaluate information that you get? Well? For one, 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.679 if you That's why relationships are big, right, So if 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.280 I really know someone and I have a great relationship 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.760 with them and this and this, they're more likely to 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:38.840 tell you the really good stuff, right, the really good 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.879 stuff that you're like, wow, some of it. Some of 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.240 it I may not know. I may not know how 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:46.640 true it is. I may not know if it's like hearsay, 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:50.119 I don't know. But for me and you know, with 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.520 my organization, like I, I'll bring it back and say 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:55.680 what do you think about that? Or is this crazy? 0:17:55.920 --> 0:18:00.520 Or you know, and you talk to people and obviously 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:02.439 we have other scouts too, and it's kind of like 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.080 what do you know about this and this and that? 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:07.080 And you just kind of like talk amongst each other 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:10.840 and we just kind of hold tight with each other. 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.480 But that's kind of what you do, is you bring 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:15.679 it back because I never know. It could be something small, 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:20.960 it could be something not, And I just ask, who 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.200 are some of the people internally that you found yourself 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:28.560 leaning on getting adjusted? Well, Vince Rosman, main guy. He's 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.919 the one that I probably ask everything too, probably like 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:37.960 too much. Like so what about this? Another guy, he's 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.520 a scout. He came in with me, Jara Holden. He's 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:42.600 been in the league, around the league for years and 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:44.560 he's another great one. I mean, he's been doing this 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.439 for years. So for me to, you know, come in 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.280 as a scout, how do you approach this when you 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.119 want to talk about this? How do you start a 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.800 conversation in that way? And how do you because you 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:56.680 don't ever want to be someone that comes in and 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:00.159 it's like, Hi, I'm lindsay so and you like, you know, 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.200 that's kind of rude. Rude, you know it's rude. Like 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:04.800 it because people have done it to me. And I 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:07.160 don't know if they think, oh, she's a newbie, she's 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.239 gonna tell us everything we want. No, we don't do this, 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.480 But I'm just saying it's been good to have that. 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.240 Um an other like Rod Baker another one. I went 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:20.400 on a trip with him. He does our mainly college. 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:22.359 Went on a trip with him in North Carolina. I 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.320 went to see, of course, my Blue Devils and some 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.439 other teams, and I got a chance to see how 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.360 he did it. Um Jordan Cohen has been a scout. 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.399 I mean, I can't even tell you how many years, 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:35.919 but I went on my first trips with him. He 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:37.919 does pro personnel as well, so he can help me 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.000 get the lay of the land and what to do. 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.520 So everyone's been very, very helpful. How comfortable are you 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.400 feeling a couple months into this thing. Oh, I'm much 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:52.199 more comfortable now. Before it was. You know, every organization, 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:54.640 you at least want to know somebody there, right, That's 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.400 the whole point when you're traveling. But and I do, 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:00.920 But there had been some that I I didn't know anyone. 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:02.680 I might have known a player or two, but they're 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.080 warming up and they're playing. It's on the outside I 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:08.680 may not know anyone, and you have to walk in 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:13.240 and get to know people, and you know, be able 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.280 to get to know them and see where it goes. 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:18.240 But again, like I said, sometimes you see the same 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:23.200