WEBVTT - Miss Wild Thing 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:12.879 Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:17.800 Hi, honey, how are you tea? 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:21.160 Oh my gosh, I haven't seen you in a minute. 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:24.600 I know you've been through a lot in a minute. 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:25.239 I know. 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:26.079 Wow. 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:30.360 First of all, I have to tell you, well, I 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:36.800 am so sorry. Well, obviously, Shannon, I can only imagine 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:39.839 how hard that was for you. And it's so surreal 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:47.120 because our generation obviously we all grew up, came into 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:51.120 coming of age with all of us, and so I'm 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:56.720 very sorry about that. And also personally outside of that, 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.000 what you're going through with your family. 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:02.240 I get I thought you were going to say you're 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.440 sorry about the divorce. I'm like, no, you're not. Don't 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:05.520 be no. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:09.840 But no matter what the circumstances are, it's do you 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:10.920 want me to grab your pails? 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:12.360 Did you see? Yes? 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:16.600 It's deflating like one of my boots. 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:18.640 I uh, well, mine have deflated. 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:20.800 Oh my gosh, I just got I'm done two years ago. 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:22.319 Now I have to get them redone. They're terrible. I 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:22.759 hate them. 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:24.840 Oh well, we could talk about that. I have to 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.720 get mine redone tail. No, I no matter what the 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:31.759 circumstances are, it's not easy going through divorce, right, Yeah, 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.960 it's not easy. No, even if it's all amicable and 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:40.280 everything's good, it's still trying to figure out everything is. 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:41.200 It's not easy. 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:44.600 It's not it's not. But we've been friends for so long, 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.720 Like you've gone down this road with me, and we've 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:52.800 talked before that you know it wasn't completely happy. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:54.160 How are you now? 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:02.960 Interesting? Like happy, not happy? Dean and I are in 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.880 a good place. But I got to be honest with you, 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:09.519 like it's it's the whole like having him removed from 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:14.560 the household situation, from our family, like that's been the 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:19.720 toughest because while perhaps you know, we weren't happy together 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.440 any longer in the marriage, like he was right. 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.440 There and still there in the household and that being 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:26.079 part of. 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:30.120 The yes, yes, and now you know, the kids. 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.280 And going through the motions of being husband and wife. 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:34.800 Even though you guys weren't happy, we're still doing all that. 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:39.040 And but on the other hand, you know, the kids 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:42.720 could see that in happiness and they know and it 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.760 was better that we kind of stopped it. Now. 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:52.280 Was there a breaking point or was it just okay, 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.200 we're or was there like a. 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:00.640 Thing you know what I mean? Or did you just wait? Okay, 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:00.959 got it? 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:05.320 There is like that one final like blowout fights. I 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:10.840 understand there, but it actually didn't come from me. It 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:14.640 came from him. He initiated the blowout fight. And you know, 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.000 I'm a lover not a fighter. I know, I know, 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.520 so it's hard for me my voice and. 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:23.919 Yeah, that's what I'm asking you, like it had to be. 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.800 So did he? Was it you that? 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:27.239 Really? 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:28.000 Sorry? 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.639 If I'm I know this is your show and I'm 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:31.840 asking you the questions. 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:33.559 But I think because. 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.400 I do all the time, but because we've known each 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:40.200 other for so long and we've gone through so much 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.560 and a lot of similarities and stuff, and no, but 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.160 I'm and people are very curious because they'll read a 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.440 lot of stuff in the press and all of that. 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.960 But you know, Aaron and I went to dinner with 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.800 you and Dean and it wasn't that long ago after 0:03:56.360 --> 0:04:00.480 and I was so it wasn't shocked because if you know, 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.280 we have shared stuff together and we think, okay, they'll 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:04.280 get through it or whatever. 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:05.760 But I was surprised. 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.680 And for years I told you I was contemplating, and 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.080 you know, and the back and forth. Do I stay 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.640 for the kids, Do I you know, or will things 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.960 get better between us? Who knows? But that was our 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:19.240 last date was with you and Erin. Oh really, I 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.799 mean not just our last double date, but our last 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:24.400 like time out together was yeah, with you. 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.160 So I know that's what I'm saying. 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:32.080 You know, that's what so like that people don't get 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:36.640 when you know, when Charlie and I got divorced, I 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:39.839 filed for divorce three weeks after we were at a 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.240 red carpet event for the SAG Awards. 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:43.880 I'll never forget it. 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.279 It was probably less than three weeks that I filed, 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:50.080 and people on the red carpet or you know that 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.160 saus probably never in a million years would have guessed it. 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.039 That's the same thing Aaron and I we were so 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:04.720 surprised hearing that, and because you guys seemed so connected. 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.359 And but again, you don't know what goes on behind 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.080 closed doors, right you know? 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:10.719 But well you do. 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:12.839 I told you everything I know. 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:16.440 But no, no, you think that things get right right, that 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:20.640 you're in a better place to it, and so and 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.120 that's the thing that I think is hard, and people 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.760 speculate different things, whether it's true or not. 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.320 It's not easy going through it. 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.600 Right publicly. The thing you said is the connection, and 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.520 that's the thing. We did have a connection and we 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:35.760 still do have a connection. 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.640 Now is he with someone else? He is? And how 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:40.680 did you feel about that? 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:48.640 Good question, because when I met him, he was with 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:55.200 some with his X and it was a really difficult 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.800 journey and it was you know, I became a stepmom 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:03.359 and and anyway it was. I was always very nervous, 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.200 like if we ever split up and get divorced, like 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.719 what does that look like when he's with someone else, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.000 or if I'm with someone else, and just to be 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:15.200 on my part, really mindful of being inclusive and not 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.480 you know, I don't know. I was always like, will 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.479 I be jealous? What will it be like? Because I 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.800 did know anyone day he and I we weren't. I 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.680 didn't think we would be together forever. 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:27.159 So you were. 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:29.920 I think a lot of people don't understand this too, 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:34.239 with sometimes well especially a lot of times with women. 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:40.599 Typically I find with my girlfriends too, we mourn the 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.120 end of the relationship during the relationship, and a lot 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.760 of men moren it after yes, for you to be 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:52.240 okay with it right away, with people seeing photos of 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:56.960 him with someone else, it seems like then you probably 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:02.760 were okay with the relationship really being done to be 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.760 okay seeing him with someone else that soon. 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:10.120 That is so interesting. That is exactly it. I grieved 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:14.520 and warned the relationship during during it. Yeah, so when 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.800 that part happened, that part was okay. It was more 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.200 my focus was just on the kids and taking care 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:24.320 of them, and that was hard for them. But his girlfriend, 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:32.000 when I first saw a picture of them together, I 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.880 you know, it's it's funny because my brain wanted to 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.080 be like, oh my gosh, you know, jealous, and then 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.480 I like search. My new thing is like gut check instinct, 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.520 and I checked inside and I was like, nope, I 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:47.760 feel nothing. She's really pretty, she's and it is like 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:52.280 it has been that consistently. Like she was she was 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:56.240 understandably a little nervous to come into our house. And 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:01.440 her name is Lily, and she's amazing, and I'm grateful 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:05.880 because you know, you never know who your ex is 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.920 going to be with and they're around your kids and uh, well, 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:11.240 don't tell us, well. 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.800 That you're okay with it that all. 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.920 You really seems like you care about his happiness, and 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.480 when he's happy, then the kids are happy, and if 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.640 he's with someone that is good, that you're okay. 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.280 It helps everyone in the fad. 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.480 It really does. And I don't know, there's not a 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:33.400 part of me that's jealous at all, And that's odd. 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.160 Well, I think that's what I was saying that I 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.599 think then that's when you know that it was the 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.760 right decision to split, as hard as it is sometimes 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:47.560 that you warned the loss of the marriage part of 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:51.040 your guys' relationship during the marriage, so that when it 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:51.840 did end, that. 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:56.199 You're actually okay with it. Yeah, you know, it's hard. 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:00.040 And that last fight, he put a post up on 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:05.840 Instagram saying, you know, you know, the typical when celebrity 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.640 couple and they put it out a statement, you know. 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:11.520 But I didn't know he was putting it up, and 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.120 he was, you know, we talk about it and he's like, 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.160 it was basically my last it was like a cry 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.360 for help. And then he went into treatment, which I'm 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.319 very proud of him for doing. But yeah, he put 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:27.200 it out there, and while I was like, oh my god, okay, 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.240 you know, we know how this works. Were supposed to 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.120 get a publicist involved and make a statement to you know, 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:33.800 who do we put it out to do, We put 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.360 it on Instagram, all the stuff we all think about. 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.760 He did it on behalf of us and I was like, whoa. 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.240 And then he took it down. But you know, it's 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.720 out there for one second and someone screenshots it. That's it. 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.719 It doesn't matter. He took it down. He and apologized 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:52.200 that in the moment he. 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.880 Was he was reacting emotional, he was. 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:59.360 Reacting emotionally, and he was still drinking, and you know 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:02.440 he was in and that's spiral. But I got to say, 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.320 when I saw that post, inside, I. 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:09.640 Was like, oh, thank god, because I'm gonna ask you 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:11.640 because you were relieved. 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.240 I don't know if I could have done it. I 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.400 wanted to do it. I want it to be strong enough. 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:20.079 I want it to be that example that, you know what, 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.200 it's come to the point that the kids are no 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.640 longer seeing a strong woman in the house. But I 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:29.679 had gotten so deep into it that I would question 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:34.560 it a lot and be like, Okay, maybe not this lifetime. 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:36.440 Maybe this lifetime, I'm just supposed to be a mother 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:41.040 and a workhorse and that's it, and maybe I'll get 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:46.600 the happy ending next lifetime. And I think I would 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:52.000 have hated to suddenly. While I'm not jealous of Lily, 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:56.960 who's in her early thirties, I would have hated if 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.160 he had loved me for someone And I'm like seventy 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.040 and then I'm go, great, what am I going to 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.920 do now? So now I got to shut it? Fifty 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:10.679 one You're so fifty one. 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.400 You do and it's you know what, it's ah, I 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.200 am so proud of you. Thank you, I really am, 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:20.200 because it is not you didn't play dirty. You And 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:25.800 it's not easy. Also, having going through a very public 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:29.920 divorce and having different people or different stories out there, 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.240 it is not easy. And people don't realize that and 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:36.880 they think, oh, you're in the public you yeah, and 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.360 it's and it's hard, and yes, our life is public, 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:46.440 but it's also we also go through things that a 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:51.080 lot of people go through. And it's at the end 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:56.280 of the day, we're moms. You know, a single mom, 0:11:56.320 --> 0:12:00.160 your single mom, it was a single mom, and it's 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.520 those are the feelings that I think a lot of 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:07.200 people can relate to. Can they relate to you being 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:11.640 Tori Spelling, the daughter of Aaron Spelling? No, can people 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:17.520 relate to me and the stuff I've done? And being 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:21.400 married to Charlie. She no, but people can relate to 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:23.959 what it's like to go through a divorce, to go 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:31.160 through trying to navigate stuff and the feelings of your kids. Yes, 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:35.200 the money part of all that, that's hard, but it's 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.400 the feelings of what it's like having your family split 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.480 no matter what the circumstances are, right. 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:45.080 It's it is can be like, it's not easy. It's 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:45.800 not me. 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:48.960 But you handled it so. 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:54.400 Have been handling it so graciously, which says a lot 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.680 about you, and and and Deane too. 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:01.360 We're trying. We're really trying hard to co parent and 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:06.080 I just we wanted to go smoothly like we you know, 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.040 I filed, but we still have to We still have 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.880 to work things out, you know. And you always hope 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:17.360 that like outside influences, you know and business wisely get 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:21.120 involved with things divorce wise, that it doesn't go a 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:32.080 different way. I think for me, one of the most 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:36.800 challenging parts has been what the kids see on social 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:41.400 media and what they read. And I know you know this, well, 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:42.560 oh it's why I'm. 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:44.480 It's not easy. 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:52.319 It's so tricky because you know Stella who's sixteen now, 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:54.480 and you know, my kids since they were. 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:56.920 Born and before they were born. Yep. 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:02.040 Last summer, after everything happened and we split and the 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:06.480 Instagram post bucking a divorce and we had moved and 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.680 it was just like a whole thing. And then Stella 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:13.439 went back to school and she's like, everyone's going to 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.760 know when I go back to school. It's all over 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:21.240 the press, and I was like, it's so hard. And 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.520 she she even said, when I did my first episode 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:29.040 of this podcast, and I was talking about my feelings 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.840 and what was happening, and you know, I just filed 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:36.120 and all of that, and she's like, I just wish 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.800 it wasn't out there. And I said, baby, they're going 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.720 to talk about us whether you know. I got to 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:46.040 take back my power and tell the truth and my story. 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:49.280 I feel I want to do that because otherwise we're 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.720 just leaving things out there. You know. She was horrified 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.280 when people were like, are you homeless and living in 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.840 an RV? Because we quite literally rented an RV and 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.479 went camping for a couple of days, and like everybody 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.880 does across America, that's pretty relatable, but if but I 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.760 did it and they were like living in an RV? Homeless? 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:12.800 And she's like someone asked me when I got to school, oh, 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.720 your family's homeless, and I was like, oh. 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:16.400 So hard. 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:21.240 You know what's so interesting The generation before us, like 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.760 you know, I think Michelle Pfeiffer, we didn't know what 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:30.240 her kids looked like, you know, in the press there 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:34.800 there was a bit more privacy and stuff like that. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:41.080 And then our generation, our kids are being raised with 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:46.440 more tabloids, social media, more things out there. The kids 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.960 have access to read about the parents, and it's a 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.520 it's a challenge, and it's it's not to say like 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.680 there's a lot of plus sides with that stuff, because 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.680 you have a voice and have a platform to say 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:04.280 certain things, but it's also you have to then deal 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:09.920 with you know, my kids are coming into learning things 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.640 I didn't share with them about their dad and learning 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:16.600 that stuff, and I don't know, it's not that part 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.240 is hard to navigate. And when they're little, you think, oh, 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:23.400 they're you know, when the kids are little, and you know, 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.200 even when I did Playboy, I'm like, oh, Sammy was 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.600 five months old. I'm not thinking, oh shit, she's going 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:33.280 to be fucking eighteen one day, and it seems so 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.680 far away, and I think I'm like, she's ever going 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.040 to see it, but then that Daly comes and it's like, 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:40.640 well shit. 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.000 So that's the thing that's hard. 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.120 But I think it's being what I'm trying to do 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.320 with my girls with all of this, is trying to 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:53.720 say what you just said, we can't control things, can't do, 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:55.920 and you want to take your power back. But also 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:01.080 we're working moms, and part of our job is out there, right, 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.920 And there might be what I tell my girls, there 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.480 might be things you don't agree with, but just know 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:07.680 that I'm working. 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:08.440 I'm doing this. 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.240 This is my my career, even if you don't agree 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.000 with certain things. And I know it might be hard, 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.160 and if you have any questions, we'll talk about it. 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.840 But it isn't easy because I didn't grow up in 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.000 this business. I grew up in a small town outside 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:24.959 of Illinois. You've also, but you've been I mean right 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.879 around all of this on a different level. 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:31.400 Right, There wasn't all paparazzi. There wasn't all There wasn't 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.200 social media, there wasn't Internet, but there was, you know, 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:41.440 it was I was always on show, you know, from jump, 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:44.200 you know, and that wasn't something my parents said like, oh, 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.600 we have to, you know, be this way. But you 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.080 learned if you're savvy enough, you know, even at five, 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.359 like I learned pretty quickly, like Okay, everyone knows my dad. 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:55.959 Everyone's coming up to him. He has fans, and it clicked, 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.880 like you know, always smile like it's just in that 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.560 and always looks tell you're there, you know. So I 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.640 am aware of everything my entire life. I don't even 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:11.359 know what it feels like to be outside the outside 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:15.159 world and be able to completely relax and let go. 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:22.840 Have you ever thought of moving your kids outside of California. 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:24.360 Like for a TV show. I've had lots of ideas, No. 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:24.800 For real. 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.399 If I could do it all over again, yes I would. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.480 I love California. I love Los Angeles, so I'm not 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:37.680 saying that, but it in hindsight, if I could do 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.480 it all over again, I think I would have raised 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:48.439 the girls somewhere else because it's even though the social 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:52.080 media and everything is still there worldwide, it's very difficult 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:53.960 to get away from all of that stuff being in 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:58.400 Los Angeles and I love LA. But if I could 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:00.879 do it all over again, I think I would have 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:05.360 raised them somewhere else to give them a different perspective 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:11.080 of somewhere else, in a different way of living, even 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:13.680 though I would you know, like I said, I'm from Illinois, 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:16.600 and even though we've traveled to different places and stuff 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:20.840 like that, and you know my family does not live here. 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:24.080 It's it's a it's just very different. 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:28.000 So just off the top of your head, instinct, Like 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:29.880 if you had to say right now, like where would 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:30.560 you have moved. 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:34.600 Them, I would have moved to Montana or I love 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:36.760 uh in Nashville. 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:41.040 So you would have done it before it became moved 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:41.919 to Montana. 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:48.080 Really, yes, but when they were little. I started taking 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:51.000 them to Montana when they were little, and I fell 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:52.480 in love with it and they wanted to move there 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:53.080 so bad. 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:54.680 When were you used to go to Montana? 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:57.320 Yeah? I love it there so much, but it at 0:19:57.359 --> 0:19:59.080 the time, I was like, no, I have to stay 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:00.840 in La because I where I'm working. 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:01.480 Right. 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:05.040 You know, it's a little different now since the pandemic, 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:07.840 where it's a little bit more accepted that we could 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:11.040 be in other places where we could have zooms. You 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:13.879 don't have to be in person. But at the time 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:16.320 I was like I can't. I have to work. 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:18.920 Yeah, So like you couldn't leave. I mean, I guess 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:21.040 you could fly back when you have things. 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:25.879 I was, so that's where I would have a. 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:31.080 Wow that yeah. So yeah, so Stella has said and 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:34.680 tell me how to navigate this one. I say, well, 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.240 this is the life I was, you know, I grew 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:41.920 up in and there's always been focus on my life 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:46.320 and my family. And she goes, but we didn't ask 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:50.440 for it, and I was like, okay, one, you're so clever. God, 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:54.879 I love my daughter. She's master manipulator without like so 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:59.200 kind kind is hard, but she's super super smart and 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:01.840 that just like gut it me. 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:04.440 I get it. 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:06.760 And I was like, well, and then, you know, I 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:08.680 cope with jokes, so of course. 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:10.119 I said to my kids when they were little. 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:14.160 When with that, I said, okay, but you got tickets 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:18.240 to go see Katie Perry and Taylor Swift and meet 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:24.359 Taylor Swift. So also you can't complain too much. So 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:26.879 it's a catch twenty two with that too. So I 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:27.320 get it. 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:32.159 Said you didn't ask to be born into it, but 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:37.440 I yeah, there are some but I signed a contract 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:39.720 within and then and then once you signed that away, 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.040 I'm just kidding. Because she was born on camera. She 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:43.639 literally was born on camera. 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.960 Well it is, Yes, they didn't ask, but it's it's 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:54.200 the third journey, yeah, of their childhood, and you know. 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:58.320 Any of age, there are so many wonderful things they 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:02.280 get that they can't see once because you know, it's it. 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:04.680 It's a nightmare when you're driving around and the kids 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:08.159 want to get somewhere. And actually, I haven't been in 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:09.720 a car with you when this happens, so I don't 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:14.040 know how you react, but I am. It's the only 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:18.440 time I am like and get really frustrated, and then 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:21.280 like have to make a point. Is when we're being 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:27.920 tailed by paparazzi. I like, I will like go downside 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:30.520 streets and Mom, we're gonna be late. We're gonna be 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:33.240 I was like, no, we're getting no otherwise they're gonna 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:35.480 follow us here there back to the home. Now they're 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:37.399 gonna know where we live. Like, I don't want them 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:39.679 going to your school. You just move school. You know. 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:43.560 It's get that part and they get frustrated with that 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:45.880 because they're like, it does it's a times app. It's 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:50.679 such an energy sapp that part, Yeah, that one like component. 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:57.359