Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: Hi, honey, how are you tea?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I haven't seen you in a minute.
Speaker 2: I know you've been through a lot in a minute.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: First of all, I have to tell you, well, I
Speaker 1: am so sorry. Well, obviously, Shannon, I can only imagine
Speaker 1: how hard that was for you. And it's so surreal
Speaker 1: because our generation obviously we all grew up, came into
Speaker 1: coming of age with all of us, and so I'm
Speaker 1: very sorry about that. And also personally outside of that,
Speaker 1: what you're going through with your family.
Speaker 3: I get I thought you were going to say you're
Speaker 3: sorry about the divorce. I'm like, no, you're not. Don't
Speaker 3: be no.
Speaker 1: But no matter what the circumstances are, it's do you
Speaker 1: want me to grab your pails?
Speaker 2: Did you see? Yes?
Speaker 3: It's deflating like one of my boots.
Speaker 2: I uh, well, mine have deflated.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I just got I'm done two years ago.
Speaker 3: Now I have to get them redone. They're terrible. I
Speaker 3: hate them.
Speaker 1: Oh well, we could talk about that. I have to
Speaker 1: get mine redone tail. No, I no matter what the
Speaker 1: circumstances are, it's not easy going through divorce, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not easy. No, even if it's all amicable and
Speaker 1: everything's good, it's still trying to figure out everything is.
Speaker 2: It's not easy.
Speaker 3: It's not it's not. But we've been friends for so long,
Speaker 3: Like you've gone down this road with me, and we've
Speaker 3: talked before that you know it wasn't completely happy.
Speaker 2: How are you now?
Speaker 3: Interesting? Like happy, not happy? Dean and I are in
Speaker 3: a good place. But I got to be honest with you,
Speaker 3: like it's it's the whole like having him removed from
Speaker 3: the household situation, from our family, like that's been the
Speaker 3: toughest because while perhaps you know, we weren't happy together
Speaker 3: any longer in the marriage, like he was right.
Speaker 2: There and still there in the household and that being
Speaker 2: part of.
Speaker 3: The yes, yes, and now you know, the kids.
Speaker 1: And going through the motions of being husband and wife.
Speaker 1: Even though you guys weren't happy, we're still doing all that.
Speaker 3: And but on the other hand, you know, the kids
Speaker 3: could see that in happiness and they know and it
Speaker 3: was better that we kind of stopped it. Now.
Speaker 1: Was there a breaking point or was it just okay,
Speaker 1: we're or was there like a.
Speaker 2: Thing you know what I mean? Or did you just wait? Okay,
Speaker 2: got it?
Speaker 3: There is like that one final like blowout fights. I
Speaker 3: understand there, but it actually didn't come from me. It
Speaker 3: came from him. He initiated the blowout fight. And you know,
Speaker 3: I'm a lover not a fighter. I know, I know,
Speaker 3: so it's hard for me my voice and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm asking you, like it had to be.
Speaker 2: So did he? Was it you that?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 1: If I'm I know this is your show and I'm
Speaker 1: asking you the questions.
Speaker 2: But I think because.
Speaker 1: I do all the time, but because we've known each
Speaker 1: other for so long and we've gone through so much
Speaker 1: and a lot of similarities and stuff, and no, but
Speaker 1: I'm and people are very curious because they'll read a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff in the press and all of that.
Speaker 1: But you know, Aaron and I went to dinner with
Speaker 1: you and Dean and it wasn't that long ago after
Speaker 1: and I was so it wasn't shocked because if you know,
Speaker 1: we have shared stuff together and we think, okay, they'll
Speaker 1: get through it or whatever.
Speaker 2: But I was surprised.
Speaker 3: And for years I told you I was contemplating, and
Speaker 3: you know, and the back and forth. Do I stay
Speaker 3: for the kids, Do I you know, or will things
Speaker 3: get better between us? Who knows? But that was our
Speaker 3: last date was with you and Erin. Oh really, I
Speaker 3: mean not just our last double date, but our last
Speaker 3: like time out together was yeah, with you.
Speaker 2: So I know that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, that's what so like that people don't get
Speaker 1: when you know, when Charlie and I got divorced, I
Speaker 1: filed for divorce three weeks after we were at a
Speaker 1: red carpet event for the SAG Awards.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget it.
Speaker 1: It was probably less than three weeks that I filed,
Speaker 1: and people on the red carpet or you know that
Speaker 1: saus probably never in a million years would have guessed it.
Speaker 1: That's the same thing Aaron and I we were so
Speaker 1: surprised hearing that, and because you guys seemed so connected.
Speaker 1: And but again, you don't know what goes on behind
Speaker 1: closed doors, right you know?
Speaker 2: But well you do.
Speaker 3: I told you everything I know.
Speaker 1: But no, no, you think that things get right right, that
Speaker 1: you're in a better place to it, and so and
Speaker 1: that's the thing that I think is hard, and people
Speaker 1: speculate different things, whether it's true or not.
Speaker 2: It's not easy going through it.
Speaker 3: Right publicly. The thing you said is the connection, and
Speaker 3: that's the thing. We did have a connection and we
Speaker 3: still do have a connection.
Speaker 2: Now is he with someone else? He is? And how
Speaker 2: did you feel about that?
Speaker 3: Good question, because when I met him, he was with
Speaker 3: some with his X and it was a really difficult
Speaker 3: journey and it was you know, I became a stepmom
Speaker 3: and and anyway it was. I was always very nervous,
Speaker 3: like if we ever split up and get divorced, like
Speaker 3: what does that look like when he's with someone else,
Speaker 3: or if I'm with someone else, and just to be
Speaker 3: on my part, really mindful of being inclusive and not
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know. I was always like, will
Speaker 3: I be jealous? What will it be like? Because I
Speaker 3: did know anyone day he and I we weren't. I
Speaker 3: didn't think we would be together forever.
Speaker 2: So you were.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people don't understand this too,
Speaker 1: with sometimes well especially a lot of times with women.
Speaker 1: Typically I find with my girlfriends too, we mourn the
Speaker 1: end of the relationship during the relationship, and a lot
Speaker 1: of men moren it after yes, for you to be
Speaker 1: okay with it right away, with people seeing photos of
Speaker 1: him with someone else, it seems like then you probably
Speaker 1: were okay with the relationship really being done to be
Speaker 1: okay seeing him with someone else that soon.
Speaker 3: That is so interesting. That is exactly it. I grieved
Speaker 3: and warned the relationship during during it. Yeah, so when
Speaker 3: that part happened, that part was okay. It was more
Speaker 3: my focus was just on the kids and taking care
Speaker 3: of them, and that was hard for them. But his girlfriend,
Speaker 3: when I first saw a picture of them together, I
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's funny because my brain wanted to
Speaker 3: be like, oh my gosh, you know, jealous, and then
Speaker 3: I like search. My new thing is like gut check instinct,
Speaker 3: and I checked inside and I was like, nope, I
Speaker 3: feel nothing. She's really pretty, she's and it is like
Speaker 3: it has been that consistently. Like she was she was
Speaker 3: understandably a little nervous to come into our house. And
Speaker 3: her name is Lily, and she's amazing, and I'm grateful
Speaker 3: because you know, you never know who your ex is
Speaker 3: going to be with and they're around your kids and uh, well,
Speaker 3: don't tell us, well.
Speaker 2: That you're okay with it that all.
Speaker 1: You really seems like you care about his happiness, and
Speaker 1: when he's happy, then the kids are happy, and if
Speaker 1: he's with someone that is good, that you're okay.
Speaker 2: It helps everyone in the fad.
Speaker 3: It really does. And I don't know, there's not a
Speaker 3: part of me that's jealous at all, And that's odd.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's what I was saying that I
Speaker 1: think then that's when you know that it was the
Speaker 1: right decision to split, as hard as it is sometimes
Speaker 1: that you warned the loss of the marriage part of
Speaker 1: your guys' relationship during the marriage, so that when it
Speaker 1: did end, that.
Speaker 2: You're actually okay with it. Yeah, you know, it's hard.
Speaker 3: And that last fight, he put a post up on
Speaker 3: Instagram saying, you know, you know, the typical when celebrity
Speaker 3: couple and they put it out a statement, you know.
Speaker 3: But I didn't know he was putting it up, and
Speaker 3: he was, you know, we talk about it and he's like,
Speaker 3: it was basically my last it was like a cry
Speaker 3: for help. And then he went into treatment, which I'm
Speaker 3: very proud of him for doing. But yeah, he put
Speaker 3: it out there, and while I was like, oh my god, okay,
Speaker 3: you know, we know how this works. Were supposed to
Speaker 3: get a publicist involved and make a statement to you know,
Speaker 3: who do we put it out to do, We put
Speaker 3: it on Instagram, all the stuff we all think about.
Speaker 3: He did it on behalf of us and I was like, whoa.
Speaker 3: And then he took it down. But you know, it's
Speaker 3: out there for one second and someone screenshots it. That's it.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. He took it down. He and apologized
Speaker 3: that in the moment he.
Speaker 2: Was he was reacting emotional, he was.
Speaker 3: Reacting emotionally, and he was still drinking, and you know
Speaker 3: he was in and that's spiral. But I got to say,
Speaker 3: when I saw that post, inside, I.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh, thank god, because I'm gonna ask you
Speaker 1: because you were relieved.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could have done it. I
Speaker 3: wanted to do it. I want it to be strong enough.
Speaker 3: I want it to be that example that, you know what,
Speaker 3: it's come to the point that the kids are no
Speaker 3: longer seeing a strong woman in the house. But I
Speaker 3: had gotten so deep into it that I would question
Speaker 3: it a lot and be like, Okay, maybe not this lifetime.
Speaker 3: Maybe this lifetime, I'm just supposed to be a mother
Speaker 3: and a workhorse and that's it, and maybe I'll get
Speaker 3: the happy ending next lifetime. And I think I would
Speaker 3: have hated to suddenly. While I'm not jealous of Lily,
Speaker 3: who's in her early thirties, I would have hated if
Speaker 3: he had loved me for someone And I'm like seventy
Speaker 3: and then I'm go, great, what am I going to
Speaker 3: do now? So now I got to shut it? Fifty
Speaker 3: one You're so fifty one.
Speaker 1: You do and it's you know what, it's ah, I
Speaker 1: am so proud of you. Thank you, I really am,
Speaker 1: because it is not you didn't play dirty. You And
Speaker 1: it's not easy. Also, having going through a very public
Speaker 1: divorce and having different people or different stories out there,
Speaker 1: it is not easy. And people don't realize that and
Speaker 1: they think, oh, you're in the public you yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's and it's hard, and yes, our life is public,
Speaker 1: but it's also we also go through things that a
Speaker 1: lot of people go through. And it's at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, we're moms. You know, a single mom,
Speaker 1: your single mom, it was a single mom, and it's
Speaker 1: those are the feelings that I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people can relate to. Can they relate to you being
Speaker 1: Tori Spelling, the daughter of Aaron Spelling? No, can people
Speaker 1: relate to me and the stuff I've done? And being
Speaker 1: married to Charlie. She no, but people can relate to
Speaker 1: what it's like to go through a divorce, to go
Speaker 1: through trying to navigate stuff and the feelings of your kids. Yes,
Speaker 1: the money part of all that, that's hard, but it's
Speaker 1: the feelings of what it's like having your family split
Speaker 1: no matter what the circumstances are, right.
Speaker 3: It's it is can be like, it's not easy. It's
Speaker 3: not me.
Speaker 2: But you handled it so.
Speaker 1: Have been handling it so graciously, which says a lot
Speaker 1: about you, and and and Deane too.
Speaker 3: We're trying. We're really trying hard to co parent and
Speaker 3: I just we wanted to go smoothly like we you know,
Speaker 3: I filed, but we still have to We still have
Speaker 3: to work things out, you know. And you always hope
Speaker 3: that like outside influences, you know and business wisely get
Speaker 3: involved with things divorce wise, that it doesn't go a
Speaker 3: different way. I think for me, one of the most
Speaker 3: challenging parts has been what the kids see on social
Speaker 3: media and what they read. And I know you know this, well,
Speaker 3: oh it's why I'm.
Speaker 2: It's not easy.
Speaker 3: It's so tricky because you know Stella who's sixteen now,
Speaker 3: and you know, my kids since they were.
Speaker 2: Born and before they were born. Yep.
Speaker 3: Last summer, after everything happened and we split and the
Speaker 3: Instagram post bucking a divorce and we had moved and
Speaker 3: it was just like a whole thing. And then Stella
Speaker 3: went back to school and she's like, everyone's going to
Speaker 3: know when I go back to school. It's all over
Speaker 3: the press, and I was like, it's so hard. And
Speaker 3: she she even said, when I did my first episode
Speaker 3: of this podcast, and I was talking about my feelings
Speaker 3: and what was happening, and you know, I just filed
Speaker 3: and all of that, and she's like, I just wish
Speaker 3: it wasn't out there. And I said, baby, they're going
Speaker 3: to talk about us whether you know. I got to
Speaker 3: take back my power and tell the truth and my story.
Speaker 3: I feel I want to do that because otherwise we're
Speaker 3: just leaving things out there. You know. She was horrified
Speaker 3: when people were like, are you homeless and living in
Speaker 3: an RV? Because we quite literally rented an RV and
Speaker 3: went camping for a couple of days, and like everybody
Speaker 3: does across America, that's pretty relatable, but if but I
Speaker 3: did it and they were like living in an RV? Homeless?
Speaker 3: And she's like someone asked me when I got to school, oh,
Speaker 3: your family's homeless, and I was like, oh.
Speaker 2: So hard.
Speaker 1: You know what's so interesting The generation before us, like
Speaker 1: you know, I think Michelle Pfeiffer, we didn't know what
Speaker 1: her kids looked like, you know, in the press there
Speaker 1: there was a bit more privacy and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And then our generation, our kids are being raised with
Speaker 1: more tabloids, social media, more things out there. The kids
Speaker 1: have access to read about the parents, and it's a
Speaker 1: it's a challenge, and it's it's not to say like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of plus sides with that stuff, because
Speaker 1: you have a voice and have a platform to say
Speaker 1: certain things, but it's also you have to then deal
Speaker 1: with you know, my kids are coming into learning things
Speaker 1: I didn't share with them about their dad and learning
Speaker 1: that stuff, and I don't know, it's not that part
Speaker 1: is hard to navigate. And when they're little, you think, oh,
Speaker 1: they're you know, when the kids are little, and you know,
Speaker 1: even when I did Playboy, I'm like, oh, Sammy was
Speaker 1: five months old. I'm not thinking, oh shit, she's going
Speaker 1: to be fucking eighteen one day, and it seems so
Speaker 1: far away, and I think I'm like, she's ever going
Speaker 1: to see it, but then that Daly comes and it's like,
Speaker 1: well shit.
Speaker 2: So that's the thing that's hard.
Speaker 1: But I think it's being what I'm trying to do
Speaker 1: with my girls with all of this, is trying to
Speaker 1: say what you just said, we can't control things, can't do,
Speaker 1: and you want to take your power back. But also
Speaker 1: we're working moms, and part of our job is out there, right,
Speaker 1: And there might be what I tell my girls, there
Speaker 1: might be things you don't agree with, but just know
Speaker 1: that I'm working.
Speaker 2: I'm doing this.
Speaker 1: This is my my career, even if you don't agree
Speaker 1: with certain things. And I know it might be hard,
Speaker 1: and if you have any questions, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1: But it isn't easy because I didn't grow up in
Speaker 1: this business. I grew up in a small town outside
Speaker 1: of Illinois. You've also, but you've been I mean right
Speaker 1: around all of this on a different level.
Speaker 3: Right, There wasn't all paparazzi. There wasn't all There wasn't
Speaker 3: social media, there wasn't Internet, but there was, you know,
Speaker 3: it was I was always on show, you know, from jump,
Speaker 3: you know, and that wasn't something my parents said like, oh,
Speaker 3: we have to, you know, be this way. But you
Speaker 3: learned if you're savvy enough, you know, even at five,
Speaker 3: like I learned pretty quickly, like Okay, everyone knows my dad.
Speaker 3: Everyone's coming up to him. He has fans, and it clicked,
Speaker 3: like you know, always smile like it's just in that
Speaker 3: and always looks tell you're there, you know. So I
Speaker 3: am aware of everything my entire life. I don't even
Speaker 3: know what it feels like to be outside the outside
Speaker 3: world and be able to completely relax and let go.
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought of moving your kids outside of California.
Speaker 3: Like for a TV show. I've had lots of ideas, No.
Speaker 2: For real.
Speaker 1: If I could do it all over again, yes I would.
Speaker 1: I love California. I love Los Angeles, so I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that, but it in hindsight, if I could do
Speaker 1: it all over again, I think I would have raised
Speaker 1: the girls somewhere else because it's even though the social
Speaker 1: media and everything is still there worldwide, it's very difficult
Speaker 1: to get away from all of that stuff being in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and I love LA. But if I could
Speaker 1: do it all over again, I think I would have
Speaker 1: raised them somewhere else to give them a different perspective
Speaker 1: of somewhere else, in a different way of living, even
Speaker 1: though I would you know, like I said, I'm from Illinois,
Speaker 1: and even though we've traveled to different places and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and you know my family does not live here.
Speaker 2: It's it's a it's just very different.
Speaker 3: So just off the top of your head, instinct, Like
Speaker 3: if you had to say right now, like where would
Speaker 3: you have moved.
Speaker 1: Them, I would have moved to Montana or I love
Speaker 1: uh in Nashville.
Speaker 3: So you would have done it before it became moved
Speaker 3: to Montana.
Speaker 1: Really, yes, but when they were little. I started taking
Speaker 1: them to Montana when they were little, and I fell
Speaker 1: in love with it and they wanted to move there
Speaker 1: so bad.
Speaker 3: When were you used to go to Montana?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I love it there so much, but it at
Speaker 1: the time, I was like, no, I have to stay
Speaker 1: in La because I where I'm working.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a little different now since the pandemic,
Speaker 1: where it's a little bit more accepted that we could
Speaker 1: be in other places where we could have zooms. You
Speaker 1: don't have to be in person. But at the time
Speaker 1: I was like I can't. I have to work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like you couldn't leave. I mean, I guess
Speaker 3: you could fly back when you have things.
Speaker 1: I was, so that's where I would have a.
Speaker 3: Wow that yeah. So yeah, so Stella has said and
Speaker 3: tell me how to navigate this one. I say, well,
Speaker 3: this is the life I was, you know, I grew
Speaker 3: up in and there's always been focus on my life
Speaker 3: and my family. And she goes, but we didn't ask
Speaker 3: for it, and I was like, okay, one, you're so clever. God,
Speaker 3: I love my daughter. She's master manipulator without like so
Speaker 3: kind kind is hard, but she's super super smart and
Speaker 3: that just like gut it me.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, and then, you know, I
Speaker 3: cope with jokes, so of course.
Speaker 2: I said to my kids when they were little.
Speaker 1: When with that, I said, okay, but you got tickets
Speaker 1: to go see Katie Perry and Taylor Swift and meet
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. So also you can't complain too much. So
Speaker 1: it's a catch twenty two with that too. So I
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 3: Said you didn't ask to be born into it, but
Speaker 3: I yeah, there are some but I signed a contract
Speaker 3: within and then and then once you signed that away,
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. Because she was born on camera. She
Speaker 3: literally was born on camera.
Speaker 1: Well it is, Yes, they didn't ask, but it's it's
Speaker 1: the third journey, yeah, of their childhood, and you know.
Speaker 3: Any of age, there are so many wonderful things they
Speaker 3: get that they can't see once because you know, it's it.
Speaker 3: It's a nightmare when you're driving around and the kids
Speaker 3: want to get somewhere. And actually, I haven't been in
Speaker 3: a car with you when this happens, so I don't
Speaker 3: know how you react, but I am. It's the only
Speaker 3: time I am like and get really frustrated, and then
Speaker 3: like have to make a point. Is when we're being
Speaker 3: tailed by paparazzi. I like, I will like go downside
Speaker 3: streets and Mom, we're gonna be late. We're gonna be
Speaker 3: I was like, no, we're getting no otherwise they're gonna
Speaker 3: follow us here there back to the home. Now they're
Speaker 3: gonna know where we live. Like, I don't want them
Speaker 3: going to your school. You just move school. You know.
Speaker 3: It's get that part and they get frustrated with that
Speaker 3: because they're like, it does it's a times app. It's
Speaker 3: such an energy sapp that part, Yeah, that one like component.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so I'm trying to navigate it. But your girls, Okay,
Speaker 3: can we talk about your niche show?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 3: So wait it's current, so you don't have a title,
Speaker 3: but it's currently titled Denise Richards and the Wild Thing, Yes,
Speaker 3: which is super clever.
Speaker 2: I think it's very clever too. I love the title
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 3: I love the title so thank you so much.
Speaker 2: It's so funny. When I shot an e.
Speaker 1: When the girls were little, they were so little, they
Speaker 1: were like Denise Richard.
Speaker 3: It's complicated. Yeah, I watched.
Speaker 2: Every episode, Oh thank you. They were three and four
Speaker 2: years old, and now.
Speaker 1: It's just so bizarre to see their grown ups.
Speaker 2: It's it goes so fast. I know, it's so weird.
Speaker 3: Is how old Now.
Speaker 1: She's thirteen, she's thirteen, Sammy's twenty, and Lola's nineteen, and
Speaker 1: it's just it's just the you know. I moved to
Speaker 1: la when I was twenty and so to see Sammy
Speaker 1: navigate being on her own, she lives on her own,
Speaker 1: in her own apartment, I worry.
Speaker 2: I was. I did not sleep all night because she was.
Speaker 2: I said, you have to.
Speaker 1: She had one of her best friends birthday party, and
Speaker 1: so I have to make sure that she gets home
Speaker 1: and textes me and all that. It's just weird when
Speaker 1: they grow up and do that. But it's just strange.
Speaker 1: But it was a big decision. So this was a
Speaker 1: long time with all of us talking about it because
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that the girls were really
Speaker 1: wanting to do it, because it does you open up
Speaker 1: your We've opened up our lives and we're doing it
Speaker 1: right now and trying to navigate all of that. So
Speaker 1: they were excited about it. We had several meetings and
Speaker 1: talking and it's, uh, you know, so we're doing that now.
Speaker 3: Was there one that was hesitant with I'm guessing it
Speaker 3: was Lola.
Speaker 2: They were looking both.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, they have different personality, they have their complete opposites.
Speaker 2: They were both.
Speaker 1: It's so I'm actually very proud of them because you
Speaker 1: and I are also very much people pleasers, and so
Speaker 1: I would have been, okay, so you want me to
Speaker 1: do that, you know we would And they have a
Speaker 1: list of questions, they have this and that, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I was very proud of the girls that
Speaker 1: they were asking so many questions that they really wanted
Speaker 1: to be involved. And no, because back then I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have asked what they asked, right, And wanted to know
Speaker 1: certain things, and I'm really proud of them for that.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we'll see what happens. I'm excited that we're
Speaker 1: doing it, and I think it's fun and it's a
Speaker 1: great opportunity for us as a family to do something
Speaker 1: together too.
Speaker 3: You deserve it. You're so hard working and you're so kind,
Speaker 3: and thank you. Obviously, I've done a lot of people
Speaker 3: in this business through the years, and you always root
Speaker 3: for the ones that are like they deserve to come
Speaker 3: out ahead, and you always wonder do the good ones
Speaker 3: ever truly come out ahead. Well, you're making that happen.
Speaker 3: And with reality TV, it's not as easy as people think.
Speaker 3: People say to me all the time, just do another
Speaker 3: reality show. I'm like it. It gets complicated because once
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes networks are like, well, you've had one before,
Speaker 3: people have seen that, what's the new take on it
Speaker 3: or what? And technically this will be your third reality show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess if you look at it that way,
Speaker 1: because I was on Housewives, so yeah.
Speaker 3: But I and I thought of it that way.
Speaker 2: I didn't either really just brought that up.
Speaker 1: But I feel very I feel so incredibly blessed because
Speaker 1: you and I both know, and you're a work or
Speaker 1: two mama's and I love the show you're doing and
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's not easy.
Speaker 1: And it's also it's not as easy as people think,
Speaker 1: Oh do they just put cameras and follow your mind
Speaker 1: everywhere and this and that. You also have to get
Speaker 1: the kids schedule of this to that and navigate everything
Speaker 1: and try to work it out.
Speaker 2: I'm not complaining or anything at all, but.
Speaker 1: You want to, you know, have people see what you know,
Speaker 1: what our family is about and.
Speaker 3: Right there, right But it's just, you know, the thing is,
Speaker 3: I feel like relevancy. People talk about relevancy, and I
Speaker 3: feel like we have that in common.
Speaker 1: We're more interest still they're still in age. Yeah, I'm like, shit,
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful.
Speaker 3: Fuck But you know what it's it's a blessing, like
Speaker 3: and it's a testament to you because it's not just
Speaker 3: your beauty. It's not just it's everything.
Speaker 2: Around falling apart that part.
Speaker 3: To tell me about it, I.
Speaker 2: Look back at when I was younger, I was like,
Speaker 2: I wish I knew that I.
Speaker 3: That way.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what i mean.
Speaker 3: I'm like, even you didn't feel good about yourself so
Speaker 3: fusolutely I did not.
Speaker 1: Tell me a kid, and people make fun of certain things,
Speaker 1: you don't see yourself that way. It's different. So now
Speaker 1: that I'm older, I was like, shit, I didn't look
Speaker 1: so bad. I wish I like ingreciated that and was
Speaker 1: like oh and embraced that because now I'm like, I
Speaker 1: want to get my neck lifted, my facelift. I'm going
Speaker 1: to do this, but I'm afraid I'm gonna look different,
Speaker 1: so I have to be careful. I know me too,
Speaker 1: so that's the only thing.
Speaker 3: And I get so much shame on social media. I
Speaker 3: know I'm not supposed to look like, oh, You've had
Speaker 3: a million things done. I'm like, I actually haven't. I know,
Speaker 3: I'd like it to, but now it's scared.
Speaker 2: No people say the same thing about me.
Speaker 1: So now I'm like, you know what, I'm going to
Speaker 1: just do it anyway they think I did.
Speaker 3: She hasn't. I've known her since I have. I feel like,
Speaker 3: how old were you when you did? I feel like
Speaker 3: I was like, were you like fifteen sixteen? And shit,
Speaker 3: it was how old were you?
Speaker 1: On?
Speaker 2: I started because we're you're how old.
Speaker 3: Are fifty one when you're may sixteen.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm two years older than you. Yeah, we were.
Speaker 3: I was like a teenager.
Speaker 2: We were. Yeah, yeah, we're so young.
Speaker 3: And we've known each other since then, and it was
Speaker 3: always nice because our lives always came.
Speaker 2: Full circle always because it wasn't.
Speaker 3: You work with people and you and people think we
Speaker 3: all like run into each other all the time. It
Speaker 3: doesn't work like that.
Speaker 2: But we were lying in and we did run we did,
Speaker 2: and our.
Speaker 3: Friendship kept coming back around throughout the years. That's how,
Speaker 3: you know, like, okay, we're supposed to just stay friends exactly.
Speaker 3: But wait, what was my point? My point was, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know. Wait, so uh sorry, I say wait
Speaker 3: when I get excited, like, wait, Dan, there's more. We
Speaker 3: actually lived together before. People are like, what in the
Speaker 3: same building, And we did when you and Charlie were together,
Speaker 3: we lived at the Wilshire.
Speaker 2: Yes, we lived in the same building.
Speaker 3: We did for a short time. I think.
Speaker 2: I think I was there a short time. You were
Speaker 2: there longer than I was.
Speaker 3: I saw the before and I saw the after in between.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was a building where a lot of people
Speaker 1: were up and down that elevator, but that's okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you ever see his place. I did one time.
Speaker 2: And would you think needed to be a little brightened up?
Speaker 3: May I speak freely? Wow?
Speaker 2: Don't? Yes, speak freely?
Speaker 3: I talked about it on the podcast now, but out
Speaker 3: of respect.
Speaker 2: No, don't worry. There's a lot that takes to offend me.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 3: I know that.
Speaker 2: Jesus, I've been I'm good.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, won't offend you. Okay. So Kevin my roommate, Yes, yes.
Speaker 2: I love him. He was Charlie's really good friend. Yes,
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're friends now.
Speaker 3: But no, but he loves it. But I don't think
Speaker 3: they're I.
Speaker 2: Don't either, But anyway, I loved him too.
Speaker 3: He's seen my teeth, they look good. Finally got my teeth.
Speaker 3: Then it was my fiftieth birthday gift and it took
Speaker 3: a year to finally bullet trigger. But I had other
Speaker 3: things to do.
Speaker 2: And he lived there too, right, he lives with me.
Speaker 1: He was my roommate, okay, because Charlie introduced me to
Speaker 1: Kevin when we first got together.
Speaker 3: Yes, so Kevin, who has been sober forever when we
Speaker 3: were roommates, though he was not sober, and he and
Speaker 3: Charlie had a lot of he would go. He would
Speaker 3: go m I A for days and I'd be like,
Speaker 3: it's like me and my kids. Now, I'm like, where
Speaker 3: are you? Where are you? And he's like, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: just a Charlie And I'm like, okay, Well, at least
Speaker 3: he's not driving. At least I know he's in.
Speaker 2: The building building. He just takes the elevator.
Speaker 3: Uh huh so yeah, so at least I could know
Speaker 3: he was semi safe. But one night, I think we
Speaker 3: had gone to a Playboy mansion party. We came back
Speaker 3: and he was like, I'm going over to Charlie's. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, bye, have fun, see you in a week.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: It's literally and then he calls me and he's like,
Speaker 3: come on, Tee, you gotta come over. Charlie says come over,
Speaker 3: you gotta come on, Like, I don't want to go over.
Speaker 3: I don't. I honestly I want to go to bed.
Speaker 3: And I had a friend with me and she was like,
Speaker 3: are you kidding Charlie Sheen's condo? Wait, we got to
Speaker 3: go over, and I was like, oh shit. I was
Speaker 3: like five minutes. We're going for five minutes. She was
Speaker 3: like okay, cool, and I was like okay, So we
Speaker 3: go over and no joke, you know, you take the
Speaker 3: elevator up, goes right into your vestibule. We used to
Speaker 3: say our vestibule. Wow, yeah, those.
Speaker 2: Were the days.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: The door opens and Charlie is standing there in a
Speaker 3: button up I want to say, Hawaian shirt. I don't
Speaker 3: even know what it was. And he hands me something
Speaker 3: he goes hot crack pipe and I was like nope,
Speaker 3: no thanks, and then he was like come on in.
Speaker 3: It was yes. I don't know. I didn't see the condo.
Speaker 3: It was very dark. It was a lot dark. I
Speaker 3: mean literally all the lights were off and the only
Speaker 3: lights were like, you know, people smoking or like doing.
Speaker 3: I don't know what was going on, but we went.
Speaker 3: He was always very nice and he charming and sweet,
Speaker 3: very and very very smart. We're like, what define smart intelligence? Oh?
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 3: So he brings me into the kitchen and he's like, well,
Speaker 3: anything else. I was terrified to take anything else. I
Speaker 3: didn't know. I was like, you know, there were so
Speaker 3: many people there and they were all like, oh yeah, Charlie,
Speaker 3: weave this, we have that. And I was like I'm
Speaker 3: good and I was like I'll have a drink. Then
Speaker 3: I was like, oh god, what there's something in the drinks.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do. I was literally like,
Speaker 3: do you have a soda? And I was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, what am I doing? So yeah, he took
Speaker 3: us around. I believe there were some ladies of the night.
Speaker 2: There probably okay, I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 3: And just a lot of people. And then Kevin's like,
Speaker 3: isn't this the best? I'm like, no, this is not
Speaker 3: the best, but this is you know, you know me
Speaker 3: Like I'm like my dad storyteller in my head and
Speaker 3: this is way back before I ever wrote books or
Speaker 3: do anything. I'm like, this is a good story to tell, though,
Speaker 3: you know, I'll tell this at dinner with my friends sometime.
Speaker 3: So we left. That was it.
Speaker 2: That was it? That was it? Oh that's a good story. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that's my only memory of being there. And you
Speaker 3: guys used to have a food delivery service. I remember that.
Speaker 2: How was it? A lot of people did? We had
Speaker 2: the shit?
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember what it was, but it's because
Speaker 3: you were on it. I actually was like I should
Speaker 3: do something, and I got on it and then they
Speaker 3: didn't pie It was like.
Speaker 2: They would deliver the coolers with all of our food, and.
Speaker 3: The coolers would still be sitting there with the food
Speaker 3: in it because I would eat chips or whatever and
Speaker 3: you know, and good stuff like Yeah, I never ate it,
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was one of those.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was unfair. It was unfair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the guys downstairs took all of our bags of Charles,
Speaker 1: all of our coolers.
Speaker 2: Everyone in the building.
Speaker 3: Wait really, yeah, like stole them.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, meaning they would no, they would get
Speaker 1: them all in deliver room were cracked, cracked.
Speaker 2: And cal building and far Faara face.
Speaker 3: It was literally right across the hall on the same floor.
Speaker 2: I remember seeing all of them.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Rodney Dangerfield. Yeah, it was a it
Speaker 3: was a cool building. But I digress. Can we talk
Speaker 3: about OnlyFans?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I thought you were going to fucking join it?
Speaker 2: I know, why not. I don't know what the fuck
Speaker 2: are you waiting for.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Ruth Anne, she says, no, you have nothing. She has
Speaker 1: nothing to lose. We have nothing to lose. At our age.
Speaker 1: People want to see us fuck it and bring second.
Speaker 3: Please for a second. Ruthanne's always on the podcast. I know,
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Oh here I'm going to tell you my experience.
Speaker 3: Then she's like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: She's all right, She's like, oh fuck.
Speaker 1: So I didn't know what the hell OnlyFans was listen,
Speaker 1: if we're starting out fine, Even at that I wish
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So she thought only fans when I brought it up,
Speaker 3: because it's a constant conversation. We go back and forth,
Speaker 3: and because why do you think she shouldn't do it?
Speaker 3: She thought she thought it was porn.
Speaker 2: Some of it is.
Speaker 3: She didn't know.
Speaker 1: No, I'm going to explain this to you what I thought.
Speaker 1: So I did not know what the hell it was.
Speaker 1: And then my daughter joined it, and my daughter got
Speaker 1: so much backlash from it, and I was upset because
Speaker 1: I did Starship Troopers and then within four months Wild
Speaker 1: Things came out and it was such a risk for
Speaker 1: me as a young actress to do that, and I've thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: this will go one way or the other, and thank
Speaker 1: god it went the.
Speaker 2: Way it did.
Speaker 1: After that, there was certain projects that people wanted to
Speaker 1: see me for, or people had a different perception and whatever.
Speaker 1: If the internet was the way it is now, it
Speaker 1: would have been so difficult, I think for me to
Speaker 1: deal with that. And I was just telling Tea before
Speaker 1: you came in here that I wish I had the
Speaker 1: confidence now obviously back then, but so I joined the damn.
Speaker 2: Thing and it was it's actually for me.
Speaker 1: I don't care anymore what people say, because I have
Speaker 1: been through the ringer with press, with stuff, with my
Speaker 1: people saying stuff, rumors, this or that. It's like, say
Speaker 1: what you want, and it's also a great way. And
Speaker 1: a lot of people think it's just naked stuff and
Speaker 1: all that.
Speaker 2: It's not. It's for me.
Speaker 1: It means, or what I think of it as is
Speaker 1: almost the having a fan site where you can communicate
Speaker 1: differently than on Instagram, you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And do I do topless? Yeah, but I already have
Speaker 1: it out there because I did fucking Playboy.
Speaker 3: Your tits are out there, they're not they're not.
Speaker 2: Oh well you might as well have them out there.
Speaker 1: And you know what after these yeah right, I'm like,
Speaker 1: if someone wants to see my boobies and see meeting,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, fucking thank you. I am so grateful.
Speaker 1: Fuck no one's gonna say. And I thought I was
Speaker 1: going to lose jobs that didn't happen.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, but I want you to be
Speaker 3: able to be like the voice. All I'm saying, I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess I just don't have a rasp on what
Speaker 1: it is what you would be doing if you're not.
Speaker 2: I've cooked.
Speaker 1: I do when I'm getting wardrobe ready or whatever for
Speaker 1: going out of town, or I have to pick what dress.
Speaker 1: I treat it like stuff that I don't post on Instagram.
Speaker 1: I'll post on that and I'll say, okay, do you
Speaker 1: like this or that? Or I'm just getting to this place,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. There's just it's a little different.
Speaker 1: You don't always have to do all of that. I
Speaker 1: don't always do. Do I have I done topless?
Speaker 2: Yes? Do I show my trashet? Yes? And if people
Speaker 2: want to see.
Speaker 3: Its great at my age, I subscribe.
Speaker 1: I am like, thank you, because there's going to be
Speaker 1: a day no one's going to want to fucking see it.
Speaker 1: So I'm not that never, but I'm grateful youmorates it.
Speaker 3: I think that is because it's me and sometimes what
Speaker 3: other people can do and it's a little more acceptable
Speaker 3: with me. It's just like nope, yeah, just fine, I
Speaker 3: get it. No, matter what she says and does, it's
Speaker 3: a headline and it's negative. Well her too, but she's
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true they're not always possible, but.
Speaker 3: You still get acting jobs. I think she's worried, like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: she's not get an acting job because of.
Speaker 1: It and things like that, and you know, endorsements. We're
Speaker 1: trying the podcast new and there's some other things coming down.
Speaker 2: I say, you want to wait and see.
Speaker 1: I just would be concerned about going down that path
Speaker 1: without first exploring other going down, just in case if
Speaker 1: someone's like, I don't want to do a hair thing
Speaker 1: or this, because but if you can go on only
Speaker 1: Fans and do other things, I said to you, I'm
Speaker 1: not opposed to that.
Speaker 3: I feel I mean, you never stopped working, but I
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Speaker 3: told me too, And it's true.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh fuck, I fucked myself. No, I've worked.
Speaker 1: I've had a great like since I joined, I've been
Speaker 1: working a lot.
Speaker 2: It's just I go back to the people that are
Speaker 2: hiring us.
Speaker 1: There maybe on they're looking and I'm like, well, good,
Speaker 1: they can look at me and hire me.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 1: True, Maybe if I was younger, I'd be like, they
Speaker 1: can't look at me like that. No, I'm like, well
Speaker 1: fuck it, I'll do it. I'm too old right now.
Speaker 2: I don't care. Okay, But everyone's different, Like.
Speaker 1: Okay, who's the oldest guy you've been with?
Speaker 3: That would be I guess Dean. Oh and he.
Speaker 2: Have you had sex sense? Dean? You don't have to
Speaker 2: answer yes, that's good. I mean he clearly is.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but it is a whole different playing field.
Speaker 3: But like I feel like, you know, we all go
Speaker 3: through our phases of how we want to dress and look,
Speaker 3: and we're able to change how we feel in the moment.
Speaker 3: That's our given right, it's our bodies, it's our minds
Speaker 3: and hearts and our vibes and what we want to do.
Speaker 3: And people definitely have a very strong opinion of being
Speaker 3: fifty one and the way I dress.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I think it's different now, Like my
Speaker 1: mom would not have dressed like this. Yeah, and maybe
Speaker 1: I'm inappropriate whatever.
Speaker 2: But find inappropriate though, Like right, so, I just want
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 3: Me, and it's like that everyone takes that away from you,
Speaker 3: like they don't want to be.
Speaker 1: I don't read it or listen to it. I know,
Speaker 1: I really don't idea. But maybe that's something that you
Speaker 1: maybe coming into the next phase of your life after
Speaker 1: your breakup and you're you know, going through your divorce
Speaker 1: and everything and coming into another phase, just embrace your
Speaker 1: fifties and.
Speaker 2: Like be you. Who cares? What do you have to lose?
Speaker 1: People say shit anyway, it's true, so you might as
Speaker 1: well be happy and do what you want to do.
Speaker 2: They're gonna say it anyway.
Speaker 3: I'm never gonna wear a business suit that wasn't me
Speaker 3: in my thirties, that wasn't did They.
Speaker 2: Would be like, what the fuck is she doing wearing
Speaker 2: a fucking business suit? Yeah she looks weird.
Speaker 3: Yes, so so you can't.
Speaker 2: But I so who cares.
Speaker 3: It's like we have very little control in this Like
Speaker 3: you're a people pleaser too.
Speaker 1: I know myself when I'm talking to you, I'm talking
Speaker 1: to you while I'm talking to me.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, on the same page.
Speaker 2: So okay, but it's true.
Speaker 3: I'm like, we have so little control in life that
Speaker 3: it's like that's the one thing I can control is.
Speaker 1: How I okay and Luk here's what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: You lost Luke M. Shannon recently. Life is fucking short. Yeah,
Speaker 1: be you and embrace yourself and don't worry what people say.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I do and just be you and enjoy it.
Speaker 3: But is it inappropriate at a certain age?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: Nice? Got frog my third doing that? Like when I'm seventy,
Speaker 3: can I dress how I want to dress? Do I
Speaker 3: have to have?
Speaker 2: And let's just focus on now now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then when you're seventy you worry about it then,
Speaker 1: So just be you now and stay in the moment
Speaker 1: and you're be you and enjoy it.
Speaker 2: You have so much going on for you. I mean,
Speaker 2: you have this. It's like, I'm so happy for you.
Speaker 3: It's it's such a good platform. I'm finally able to.
Speaker 2: Be wonderful and I'm me and yeah, and who gives
Speaker 2: a shit? Say crap?
Speaker 1: Anyway, you might as well have them say crap with
Speaker 1: you being you and enjoying your life then trying to
Speaker 1: pretend to be someone else or do something else to
Speaker 1: please other people.
Speaker 2: Right, you know?
Speaker 3: I was just I was just so uh in situations
Speaker 3: where I felt controlled and had to and and not
Speaker 3: talking about Dean. I understand where I felt controlled and
Speaker 3: I had to be a certain way and act a
Speaker 3: certain way to make sure everyone else was happy, and
Speaker 3: speak a certain way and not be too Yeah when
Speaker 3: we're getting.
Speaker 1: When you're doing talk shows and it's like you don't
Speaker 1: even know who the hell you are anymore. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: you have to have a rehearse thing and oh you
Speaker 1: can't say that or this or that, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: well shit, what can I say?
Speaker 3: Right? I mean, I remember having a manager that when
Speaker 3: I was almost near the end of nine two.
Speaker 1: Oho.
Speaker 3: So I was blonde on nine o two and oh,
Speaker 3: and then I went red for the last few years
Speaker 3: and or more. And that was strategic because I had
Speaker 3: a mander then that was like, okay, you're we got
Speaker 3: to get you out of this mold. You know, the
Speaker 3: platin blonde and I want your hair dark and you
Speaker 3: got to be the girl next door. And I was like, well,
Speaker 3: I don't know how to relate to that because the
Speaker 3: house I grew up and it was an entire block.
Speaker 3: So the girl next door was me, me, and then me,
Speaker 3: I know me too. We would have had fun, would
Speaker 3: those days? But yeah, and so I can look back
Speaker 3: and see if very distinct. I started wearing like button
Speaker 3: up shirts and like and I'm like, oh man, I'm like,
Speaker 3: that wasn't me. And it's like, well, you're gonna get
Speaker 3: more acting roles this way. Your versatile, if you know,
Speaker 3: can not just be Donna or Tory. And yeah, and
Speaker 3: it's not just like through there there is you know,
Speaker 3: it's been you know, in the last decade or so,
Speaker 3: in certain business situations, there's still been that thing of
Speaker 3: you know, as an adult, now I'm able to be like, well,
Speaker 3: this is how I want to be, and there's push back,
Speaker 3: but also that pull of still wanting to please others
Speaker 3: in like I get it business situations where you know,
Speaker 3: maybe others aren't as inappropriate as me or in our
Speaker 3: more conservatives to.
Speaker 1: Me, inappropriate it's you being you and if they don't,
Speaker 1: who cares?
Speaker 2: Like, let them be them?
Speaker 1: Mm? You be you?
Speaker 3: Right now? I'm able because here I am being me
Speaker 3: with you, which is great.
Speaker 2: And what was the advice that Shannon always told you?
Speaker 3: She told me to take back my power to speak
Speaker 3: up for myself. That be me, right yeah? And then
Speaker 3: and she said what are you scared of? I was like,
Speaker 3: and it was about making others feel smaller, and so
Speaker 3: I stay small to make them feel equaler or better
Speaker 3: than me or above me. I always was in the
Speaker 3: second position because of you grew up. Yeah, I felt
Speaker 3: that need like, yeah, they think I you know, if
Speaker 3: I'm wealthy, if i'm this, I'm not like. Oh, then
Speaker 3: I should make myself small so others feel like Oh see.
Speaker 2: And I get it. Yeah, I'm happy for you. We
Speaker 2: have more to talk about.
Speaker 1: Yes, we are going to have our little friend here,
Speaker 1: not little friend, but he's gonna come here and I
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll go online and show him pictures.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm going to do.
Speaker 3: He did say he was confused. To talk him through
Speaker 3: it how someone could look clothed, And then if you like,
Speaker 3: I will pay more, get a damn jacate him.
Speaker 1: I'll bring my iPad and go on my thing my
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Speaker 2: How fun would that be? Silly Shatner, You're such a.
Speaker 3: Fun oh my god, I love you.
Speaker 2: I love you.