1 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: Hi, honey, how are you tea? 3 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I haven't seen you in a minute. 4 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 2: I know you've been through a lot in a minute. 5 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: I know. 6 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 3: Wow. 7 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: First of all, I have to tell you, well, I 8 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: am so sorry. Well, obviously, Shannon, I can only imagine 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: how hard that was for you. And it's so surreal 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: because our generation obviously we all grew up, came into 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: coming of age with all of us, and so I'm 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: very sorry about that. And also personally outside of that, 13 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: what you're going through with your family. 14 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 3: I get I thought you were going to say you're 15 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 3: sorry about the divorce. I'm like, no, you're not. Don't 16 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 3: be no. 17 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: But no matter what the circumstances are, it's do you 18 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: want me to grab your pails? 19 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: Did you see? Yes? 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 3: It's deflating like one of my boots. 21 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: I uh, well, mine have deflated. 22 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I just got I'm done two years ago. 23 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 3: Now I have to get them redone. They're terrible. I 24 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 3: hate them. 25 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: Oh well, we could talk about that. I have to 26 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: get mine redone tail. No, I no matter what the 27 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: circumstances are, it's not easy going through divorce, right, Yeah, 28 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: it's not easy. No, even if it's all amicable and 29 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: everything's good, it's still trying to figure out everything is. 30 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: It's not easy. 31 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 3: It's not it's not. But we've been friends for so long, 32 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: Like you've gone down this road with me, and we've 33 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 3: talked before that you know it wasn't completely happy. 34 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: How are you now? 35 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 3: Interesting? Like happy, not happy? Dean and I are in 36 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 3: a good place. But I got to be honest with you, 37 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 3: like it's it's the whole like having him removed from 38 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: the household situation, from our family, like that's been the 39 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 3: toughest because while perhaps you know, we weren't happy together 40 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 3: any longer in the marriage, like he was right. 41 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: There and still there in the household and that being 42 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 2: part of. 43 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 3: The yes, yes, and now you know, the kids. 44 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: And going through the motions of being husband and wife. 45 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: Even though you guys weren't happy, we're still doing all that. 46 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 3: And but on the other hand, you know, the kids 47 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: could see that in happiness and they know and it 48 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 3: was better that we kind of stopped it. Now. 49 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: Was there a breaking point or was it just okay, 50 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: we're or was there like a. 51 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 2: Thing you know what I mean? Or did you just wait? Okay, 52 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 2: got it? 53 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 3: There is like that one final like blowout fights. I 54 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 3: understand there, but it actually didn't come from me. It 55 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 3: came from him. He initiated the blowout fight. And you know, 56 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: I'm a lover not a fighter. I know, I know, 57 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 3: so it's hard for me my voice and. 58 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm asking you, like it had to be. 59 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: So did he? Was it you that? 60 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: Really? 61 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: Sorry? 62 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: If I'm I know this is your show and I'm 63 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: asking you the questions. 64 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,559 Speaker 2: But I think because. 65 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: I do all the time, but because we've known each 66 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: other for so long and we've gone through so much 67 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: and a lot of similarities and stuff, and no, but 68 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm and people are very curious because they'll read a 69 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: lot of stuff in the press and all of that. 70 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: But you know, Aaron and I went to dinner with 71 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: you and Dean and it wasn't that long ago after 72 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: and I was so it wasn't shocked because if you know, 73 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: we have shared stuff together and we think, okay, they'll 74 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: get through it or whatever. 75 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: But I was surprised. 76 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 3: And for years I told you I was contemplating, and 77 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 3: you know, and the back and forth. Do I stay 78 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: for the kids, Do I you know, or will things 79 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 3: get better between us? Who knows? But that was our 80 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: last date was with you and Erin. Oh really, I 81 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 3: mean not just our last double date, but our last 82 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: like time out together was yeah, with you. 83 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 2: So I know that's what I'm saying. 84 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: You know, that's what so like that people don't get 85 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: when you know, when Charlie and I got divorced, I 86 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: filed for divorce three weeks after we were at a 87 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: red carpet event for the SAG Awards. 88 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: I'll never forget it. 89 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: It was probably less than three weeks that I filed, 90 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: and people on the red carpet or you know that 91 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: saus probably never in a million years would have guessed it. 92 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: That's the same thing Aaron and I we were so 93 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: surprised hearing that, and because you guys seemed so connected. 94 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: And but again, you don't know what goes on behind 95 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: closed doors, right you know? 96 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 2: But well you do. 97 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 3: I told you everything I know. 98 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: But no, no, you think that things get right right, that 99 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: you're in a better place to it, and so and 100 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: that's the thing that I think is hard, and people 101 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: speculate different things, whether it's true or not. 102 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: It's not easy going through it. 103 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 3: Right publicly. The thing you said is the connection, and 104 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: that's the thing. We did have a connection and we 105 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 3: still do have a connection. 106 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: Now is he with someone else? He is? And how 107 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: did you feel about that? 108 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: Good question, because when I met him, he was with 109 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: some with his X and it was a really difficult 110 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 3: journey and it was you know, I became a stepmom 111 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 3: and and anyway it was. I was always very nervous, 112 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 3: like if we ever split up and get divorced, like 113 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 3: what does that look like when he's with someone else, 114 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: or if I'm with someone else, and just to be 115 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 3: on my part, really mindful of being inclusive and not 116 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 3: you know, I don't know. I was always like, will 117 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 3: I be jealous? What will it be like? Because I 118 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 3: did know anyone day he and I we weren't. I 119 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 3: didn't think we would be together forever. 120 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 2: So you were. 121 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people don't understand this too, 122 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,239 Speaker 1: with sometimes well especially a lot of times with women. 123 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: Typically I find with my girlfriends too, we mourn the 124 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: end of the relationship during the relationship, and a lot 125 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: of men moren it after yes, for you to be 126 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: okay with it right away, with people seeing photos of 127 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: him with someone else, it seems like then you probably 128 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: were okay with the relationship really being done to be 129 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: okay seeing him with someone else that soon. 130 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 3: That is so interesting. That is exactly it. I grieved 131 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 3: and warned the relationship during during it. Yeah, so when 132 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 3: that part happened, that part was okay. It was more 133 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: my focus was just on the kids and taking care 134 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: of them, and that was hard for them. But his girlfriend, 135 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: when I first saw a picture of them together, I 136 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 3: you know, it's it's funny because my brain wanted to 137 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: be like, oh my gosh, you know, jealous, and then 138 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: I like search. My new thing is like gut check instinct, 139 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: and I checked inside and I was like, nope, I 140 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 3: feel nothing. She's really pretty, she's and it is like 141 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: it has been that consistently. Like she was she was 142 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 3: understandably a little nervous to come into our house. And 143 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 3: her name is Lily, and she's amazing, and I'm grateful 144 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 3: because you know, you never know who your ex is 145 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 3: going to be with and they're around your kids and uh, well, 146 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 3: don't tell us, well. 147 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: That you're okay with it that all. 148 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: You really seems like you care about his happiness, and 149 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: when he's happy, then the kids are happy, and if 150 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: he's with someone that is good, that you're okay. 151 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: It helps everyone in the fad. 152 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 3: It really does. And I don't know, there's not a 153 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: part of me that's jealous at all, And that's odd. 154 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's what I was saying that I 155 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 1: think then that's when you know that it was the 156 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: right decision to split, as hard as it is sometimes 157 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: that you warned the loss of the marriage part of 158 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: your guys' relationship during the marriage, so that when it 159 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: did end, that. 160 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 2: You're actually okay with it. Yeah, you know, it's hard. 161 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 3: And that last fight, he put a post up on 162 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 3: Instagram saying, you know, you know, the typical when celebrity 163 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: couple and they put it out a statement, you know. 164 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: But I didn't know he was putting it up, and 165 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 3: he was, you know, we talk about it and he's like, 166 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 3: it was basically my last it was like a cry 167 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: for help. And then he went into treatment, which I'm 168 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 3: very proud of him for doing. But yeah, he put 169 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 3: it out there, and while I was like, oh my god, okay, 170 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 3: you know, we know how this works. Were supposed to 171 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: get a publicist involved and make a statement to you know, 172 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 3: who do we put it out to do, We put 173 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: it on Instagram, all the stuff we all think about. 174 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: He did it on behalf of us and I was like, whoa. 175 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 3: And then he took it down. But you know, it's 176 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 3: out there for one second and someone screenshots it. That's it. 177 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. He took it down. He and apologized 178 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 3: that in the moment he. 179 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: Was he was reacting emotional, he was. 180 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: Reacting emotionally, and he was still drinking, and you know 181 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 3: he was in and that's spiral. But I got to say, 182 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 3: when I saw that post, inside, I. 183 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: Was like, oh, thank god, because I'm gonna ask you 184 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: because you were relieved. 185 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: I don't know if I could have done it. I 186 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 3: wanted to do it. I want it to be strong enough. 187 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 3: I want it to be that example that, you know what, 188 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 3: it's come to the point that the kids are no 189 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: longer seeing a strong woman in the house. But I 190 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 3: had gotten so deep into it that I would question 191 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 3: it a lot and be like, Okay, maybe not this lifetime. 192 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 3: Maybe this lifetime, I'm just supposed to be a mother 193 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 3: and a workhorse and that's it, and maybe I'll get 194 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 3: the happy ending next lifetime. And I think I would 195 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 3: have hated to suddenly. While I'm not jealous of Lily, 196 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 3: who's in her early thirties, I would have hated if 197 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 3: he had loved me for someone And I'm like seventy 198 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 3: and then I'm go, great, what am I going to 199 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 3: do now? So now I got to shut it? Fifty 200 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 3: one You're so fifty one. 201 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: You do and it's you know what, it's ah, I 202 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: am so proud of you. Thank you, I really am, 203 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: because it is not you didn't play dirty. You And 204 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: it's not easy. Also, having going through a very public 205 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: divorce and having different people or different stories out there, 206 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: it is not easy. And people don't realize that and 207 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: they think, oh, you're in the public you yeah, and 208 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: it's and it's hard, and yes, our life is public, 209 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: but it's also we also go through things that a 210 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: lot of people go through. And it's at the end 211 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: of the day, we're moms. You know, a single mom, 212 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: your single mom, it was a single mom, and it's 213 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: those are the feelings that I think a lot of 214 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: people can relate to. Can they relate to you being 215 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: Tori Spelling, the daughter of Aaron Spelling? No, can people 216 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: relate to me and the stuff I've done? And being 217 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: married to Charlie. She no, but people can relate to 218 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: what it's like to go through a divorce, to go 219 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: through trying to navigate stuff and the feelings of your kids. Yes, 220 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: the money part of all that, that's hard, but it's 221 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: the feelings of what it's like having your family split 222 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: no matter what the circumstances are, right. 223 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 3: It's it is can be like, it's not easy. It's 224 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: not me. 225 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 2: But you handled it so. 226 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: Have been handling it so graciously, which says a lot 227 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: about you, and and and Deane too. 228 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: We're trying. We're really trying hard to co parent and 229 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 3: I just we wanted to go smoothly like we you know, 230 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 3: I filed, but we still have to We still have 231 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: to work things out, you know. And you always hope 232 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 3: that like outside influences, you know and business wisely get 233 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 3: involved with things divorce wise, that it doesn't go a 234 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 3: different way. I think for me, one of the most 235 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 3: challenging parts has been what the kids see on social 236 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 3: media and what they read. And I know you know this, well, 237 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 3: oh it's why I'm. 238 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: It's not easy. 239 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 3: It's so tricky because you know Stella who's sixteen now, 240 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 3: and you know, my kids since they were. 241 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: Born and before they were born. Yep. 242 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 3: Last summer, after everything happened and we split and the 243 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 3: Instagram post bucking a divorce and we had moved and 244 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 3: it was just like a whole thing. And then Stella 245 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 3: went back to school and she's like, everyone's going to 246 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 3: know when I go back to school. It's all over 247 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 3: the press, and I was like, it's so hard. And 248 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 3: she she even said, when I did my first episode 249 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 3: of this podcast, and I was talking about my feelings 250 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 3: and what was happening, and you know, I just filed 251 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 3: and all of that, and she's like, I just wish 252 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 3: it wasn't out there. And I said, baby, they're going 253 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 3: to talk about us whether you know. I got to 254 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: take back my power and tell the truth and my story. 255 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: I feel I want to do that because otherwise we're 256 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 3: just leaving things out there. You know. She was horrified 257 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 3: when people were like, are you homeless and living in 258 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 3: an RV? Because we quite literally rented an RV and 259 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,479 Speaker 3: went camping for a couple of days, and like everybody 260 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 3: does across America, that's pretty relatable, but if but I 261 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 3: did it and they were like living in an RV? Homeless? 262 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 3: And she's like someone asked me when I got to school, oh, 263 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: your family's homeless, and I was like, oh. 264 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: So hard. 265 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: You know what's so interesting The generation before us, like 266 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: you know, I think Michelle Pfeiffer, we didn't know what 267 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: her kids looked like, you know, in the press there 268 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: there was a bit more privacy and stuff like that. 269 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: And then our generation, our kids are being raised with 270 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: more tabloids, social media, more things out there. The kids 271 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: have access to read about the parents, and it's a 272 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: it's a challenge, and it's it's not to say like 273 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of plus sides with that stuff, because 274 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: you have a voice and have a platform to say 275 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: certain things, but it's also you have to then deal 276 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: with you know, my kids are coming into learning things 277 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: I didn't share with them about their dad and learning 278 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: that stuff, and I don't know, it's not that part 279 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: is hard to navigate. And when they're little, you think, oh, 280 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: they're you know, when the kids are little, and you know, 281 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: even when I did Playboy, I'm like, oh, Sammy was 282 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: five months old. I'm not thinking, oh shit, she's going 283 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: to be fucking eighteen one day, and it seems so 284 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: far away, and I think I'm like, she's ever going 285 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: to see it, but then that Daly comes and it's like, 286 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: well shit. 287 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: So that's the thing that's hard. 288 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: But I think it's being what I'm trying to do 289 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: with my girls with all of this, is trying to 290 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: say what you just said, we can't control things, can't do, 291 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: and you want to take your power back. But also 292 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: we're working moms, and part of our job is out there, right, 293 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: And there might be what I tell my girls, there 294 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: might be things you don't agree with, but just know 295 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: that I'm working. 296 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 2: I'm doing this. 297 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: This is my my career, even if you don't agree 298 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: with certain things. And I know it might be hard, 299 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: and if you have any questions, we'll talk about it. 300 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: But it isn't easy because I didn't grow up in 301 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: this business. I grew up in a small town outside 302 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 1: of Illinois. You've also, but you've been I mean right 303 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: around all of this on a different level. 304 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 3: Right, There wasn't all paparazzi. There wasn't all There wasn't 305 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 3: social media, there wasn't Internet, but there was, you know, 306 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 3: it was I was always on show, you know, from jump, 307 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 3: you know, and that wasn't something my parents said like, oh, 308 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 3: we have to, you know, be this way. But you 309 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 3: learned if you're savvy enough, you know, even at five, 310 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 3: like I learned pretty quickly, like Okay, everyone knows my dad. 311 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 3: Everyone's coming up to him. He has fans, and it clicked, 312 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 3: like you know, always smile like it's just in that 313 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 3: and always looks tell you're there, you know. So I 314 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 3: am aware of everything my entire life. I don't even 315 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 3: know what it feels like to be outside the outside 316 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 3: world and be able to completely relax and let go. 317 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: Have you ever thought of moving your kids outside of California. 318 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 3: Like for a TV show. I've had lots of ideas, No. 319 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 2: For real. 320 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: If I could do it all over again, yes I would. 321 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: I love California. I love Los Angeles, so I'm not 322 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: saying that, but it in hindsight, if I could do 323 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: it all over again, I think I would have raised 324 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: the girls somewhere else because it's even though the social 325 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: media and everything is still there worldwide, it's very difficult 326 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: to get away from all of that stuff being in 327 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: Los Angeles and I love LA. But if I could 328 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: do it all over again, I think I would have 329 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: raised them somewhere else to give them a different perspective 330 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: of somewhere else, in a different way of living, even 331 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: though I would you know, like I said, I'm from Illinois, 332 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: and even though we've traveled to different places and stuff 333 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: like that, and you know my family does not live here. 334 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: It's it's a it's just very different. 335 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 3: So just off the top of your head, instinct, Like 336 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 3: if you had to say right now, like where would 337 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 3: you have moved. 338 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: Them, I would have moved to Montana or I love 339 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: uh in Nashville. 340 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 3: So you would have done it before it became moved 341 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 3: to Montana. 342 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: Really, yes, but when they were little. I started taking 343 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: them to Montana when they were little, and I fell 344 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: in love with it and they wanted to move there 345 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: so bad. 346 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 3: When were you used to go to Montana? 347 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? I love it there so much, but it at 348 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: the time, I was like, no, I have to stay 349 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: in La because I where I'm working. 350 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 3: Right. 351 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's a little different now since the pandemic, 352 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: where it's a little bit more accepted that we could 353 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: be in other places where we could have zooms. You 354 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: don't have to be in person. But at the time 355 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: I was like I can't. I have to work. 356 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, So like you couldn't leave. I mean, I guess 357 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 3: you could fly back when you have things. 358 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: I was, so that's where I would have a. 359 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 3: Wow that yeah. So yeah, so Stella has said and 360 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 3: tell me how to navigate this one. I say, well, 361 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 3: this is the life I was, you know, I grew 362 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 3: up in and there's always been focus on my life 363 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 3: and my family. And she goes, but we didn't ask 364 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 3: for it, and I was like, okay, one, you're so clever. God, 365 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 3: I love my daughter. She's master manipulator without like so 366 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 3: kind kind is hard, but she's super super smart and 367 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 3: that just like gut it me. 368 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 2: I get it. 369 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 3: And I was like, well, and then, you know, I 370 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 3: cope with jokes, so of course. 371 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 2: I said to my kids when they were little. 372 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: When with that, I said, okay, but you got tickets 373 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: to go see Katie Perry and Taylor Swift and meet 374 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. So also you can't complain too much. So 375 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: it's a catch twenty two with that too. So I 376 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: get it. 377 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 3: Said you didn't ask to be born into it, but 378 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 3: I yeah, there are some but I signed a contract 379 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 3: within and then and then once you signed that away, 380 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. Because she was born on camera. She 381 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 3: literally was born on camera. 382 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: Well it is, Yes, they didn't ask, but it's it's 383 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: the third journey, yeah, of their childhood, and you know. 384 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 3: Any of age, there are so many wonderful things they 385 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 3: get that they can't see once because you know, it's it. 386 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 3: It's a nightmare when you're driving around and the kids 387 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 3: want to get somewhere. And actually, I haven't been in 388 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 3: a car with you when this happens, so I don't 389 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 3: know how you react, but I am. It's the only 390 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 3: time I am like and get really frustrated, and then 391 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 3: like have to make a point. Is when we're being 392 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 3: tailed by paparazzi. I like, I will like go downside 393 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 3: streets and Mom, we're gonna be late. We're gonna be 394 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: I was like, no, we're getting no otherwise they're gonna 395 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 3: follow us here there back to the home. Now they're 396 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 3: gonna know where we live. Like, I don't want them 397 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 3: going to your school. You just move school. You know. 398 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 3: It's get that part and they get frustrated with that 399 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 3: because they're like, it does it's a times app. It's 400 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 3: such an energy sapp that part, Yeah, that one like component. 401 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 3: But yeah, so I'm trying to navigate it. But your girls, Okay, 402 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 3: can we talk about your niche show? 403 00:22:58,960 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 2: Sure? 404 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 3: So wait it's current, so you don't have a title, 405 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 3: but it's currently titled Denise Richards and the Wild Thing, Yes, 406 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 3: which is super clever. 407 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 2: I think it's very clever too. I love the title 408 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: thank you. 409 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 3: I love the title so thank you so much. 410 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: It's so funny. When I shot an e. 411 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: When the girls were little, they were so little, they 412 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: were like Denise Richard. 413 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 3: It's complicated. Yeah, I watched. 414 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: Every episode, Oh thank you. They were three and four 415 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 2: years old, and now. 416 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: It's just so bizarre to see their grown ups. 417 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 2: It's it goes so fast. I know, it's so weird. 418 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 3: Is how old Now. 419 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:48,479 Speaker 1: She's thirteen, she's thirteen, Sammy's twenty, and Lola's nineteen, and 420 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: it's just it's just the you know. I moved to 421 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: la when I was twenty and so to see Sammy 422 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: navigate being on her own, she lives on her own, 423 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: in her own apartment, I worry. 424 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: I was. I did not sleep all night because she was. 425 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 2: I said, you have to. 426 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: She had one of her best friends birthday party, and 427 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: so I have to make sure that she gets home 428 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: and textes me and all that. It's just weird when 429 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: they grow up and do that. But it's just strange. 430 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,479 Speaker 1: But it was a big decision. So this was a 431 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: long time with all of us talking about it because 432 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that the girls were really 433 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: wanting to do it, because it does you open up 434 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: your We've opened up our lives and we're doing it 435 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: right now and trying to navigate all of that. So 436 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: they were excited about it. We had several meetings and 437 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: talking and it's, uh, you know, so we're doing that now. 438 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 3: Was there one that was hesitant with I'm guessing it 439 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 3: was Lola. 440 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 2: They were looking both. 441 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, they have different personality, they have their complete opposites. 442 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: They were both. 443 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: It's so I'm actually very proud of them because you 444 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,959 Speaker 1: and I are also very much people pleasers, and so 445 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: I would have been, okay, so you want me to 446 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: do that, you know we would And they have a 447 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: list of questions, they have this and that, and I 448 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: was like, I was very proud of the girls that 449 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: they were asking so many questions that they really wanted 450 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: to be involved. And no, because back then I wouldn't 451 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: have asked what they asked, right, And wanted to know 452 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: certain things, and I'm really proud of them for that. 453 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: So anyway, we'll see what happens. I'm excited that we're 454 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: doing it, and I think it's fun and it's a 455 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 1: great opportunity for us as a family to do something 456 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: together too. 457 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 3: You deserve it. You're so hard working and you're so kind, 458 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 3: and thank you. Obviously, I've done a lot of people 459 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 3: in this business through the years, and you always root 460 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: for the ones that are like they deserve to come 461 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 3: out ahead, and you always wonder do the good ones 462 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 3: ever truly come out ahead. Well, you're making that happen. 463 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 3: And with reality TV, it's not as easy as people think. 464 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 3: People say to me all the time, just do another 465 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 3: reality show. I'm like it. It gets complicated because once 466 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 3: you know, sometimes networks are like, well, you've had one before, 467 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 3: people have seen that, what's the new take on it 468 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 3: or what? And technically this will be your third reality show. 469 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess if you look at it that way, 470 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: because I was on Housewives, so yeah. 471 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 3: But I and I thought of it that way. 472 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 2: I didn't either really just brought that up. 473 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: But I feel very I feel so incredibly blessed because 474 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: you and I both know, and you're a work or 475 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: two mama's and I love the show you're doing and 476 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you. 477 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 2: And you know, it's not easy. 478 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: And it's also it's not as easy as people think, 479 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: Oh do they just put cameras and follow your mind 480 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: everywhere and this and that. You also have to get 481 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: the kids schedule of this to that and navigate everything 482 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: and try to work it out. 483 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 2: I'm not complaining or anything at all, but. 484 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: You want to, you know, have people see what you know, 485 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: what our family is about and. 486 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 3: Right there, right But it's just, you know, the thing is, 487 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 3: I feel like relevancy. People talk about relevancy, and I 488 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 3: feel like we have that in common. 489 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: We're more interest still they're still in age. Yeah, I'm like, shit, 490 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful. 491 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 3: Fuck But you know what it's it's a blessing, like 492 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 3: and it's a testament to you because it's not just 493 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 3: your beauty. It's not just it's everything. 494 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 2: Around falling apart that part. 495 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 3: To tell me about it, I. 496 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 2: Look back at when I was younger, I was like, 497 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 2: I wish I knew that I. 498 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 3: That way. 499 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 2: Well, you know what i mean. 500 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 3: I'm like, even you didn't feel good about yourself so 501 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 3: fusolutely I did not. 502 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: Tell me a kid, and people make fun of certain things, 503 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: you don't see yourself that way. It's different. So now 504 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: that I'm older, I was like, shit, I didn't look 505 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: so bad. I wish I like ingreciated that and was 506 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: like oh and embraced that because now I'm like, I 507 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: want to get my neck lifted, my facelift. I'm going 508 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: to do this, but I'm afraid I'm gonna look different, 509 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: so I have to be careful. I know me too, 510 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: so that's the only thing. 511 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 3: And I get so much shame on social media. I 512 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 3: know I'm not supposed to look like, oh, You've had 513 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 3: a million things done. I'm like, I actually haven't. I know, 514 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,719 Speaker 3: I'd like it to, but now it's scared. 515 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: No people say the same thing about me. 516 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: So now I'm like, you know what, I'm going to 517 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: just do it anyway they think I did. 518 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 3: She hasn't. I've known her since I have. I feel like, 519 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 3: how old were you when you did? I feel like 520 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 3: I was like, were you like fifteen sixteen? And shit, 521 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 3: it was how old were you? 522 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: On? 523 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 2: I started because we're you're how old. 524 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 3: Are fifty one when you're may sixteen. 525 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm two years older than you. Yeah, we were. 526 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 3: I was like a teenager. 527 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 2: We were. Yeah, yeah, we're so young. 528 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 3: And we've known each other since then, and it was 529 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 3: always nice because our lives always came. 530 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 2: Full circle always because it wasn't. 531 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 3: You work with people and you and people think we 532 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 3: all like run into each other all the time. It 533 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 3: doesn't work like that. 534 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 2: But we were lying in and we did run we did, 535 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 2: and our. 536 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 3: Friendship kept coming back around throughout the years. That's how, 537 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 3: you know, like, okay, we're supposed to just stay friends exactly. 538 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 3: But wait, what was my point? My point was, yeah, 539 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 3: I don't know. Wait, so uh sorry, I say wait 540 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 3: when I get excited, like, wait, Dan, there's more. We 541 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 3: actually lived together before. People are like, what in the 542 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 3: same building, And we did when you and Charlie were together, 543 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 3: we lived at the Wilshire. 544 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 2: Yes, we lived in the same building. 545 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 3: We did for a short time. I think. 546 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 2: I think I was there a short time. You were 547 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,959 Speaker 2: there longer than I was. 548 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 3: I saw the before and I saw the after in between. 549 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: Yes, it was a building where a lot of people 550 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: were up and down that elevator, but that's okay. 551 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, did you ever see his place. I did one time. 552 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 2: And would you think needed to be a little brightened up? 553 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 3: May I speak freely? Wow? 554 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 2: Don't? Yes, speak freely? 555 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 3: I talked about it on the podcast now, but out 556 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 3: of respect. 557 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 2: No, don't worry. There's a lot that takes to offend me. 558 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: You know that. 559 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 3: I know that. 560 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 2: Jesus, I've been I'm good. 561 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 3: No, no, no, won't offend you. Okay. So Kevin my roommate, Yes, yes. 562 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 2: I love him. He was Charlie's really good friend. Yes, 563 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if they're friends now. 564 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 3: But no, but he loves it. But I don't think 565 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 3: they're I. 566 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 2: Don't either, But anyway, I loved him too. 567 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 3: He's seen my teeth, they look good. Finally got my teeth. 568 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 3: Then it was my fiftieth birthday gift and it took 569 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 3: a year to finally bullet trigger. But I had other 570 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 3: things to do. 571 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 2: And he lived there too, right, he lives with me. 572 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: He was my roommate, okay, because Charlie introduced me to 573 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: Kevin when we first got together. 574 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 3: Yes, so Kevin, who has been sober forever when we 575 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 3: were roommates, though he was not sober, and he and 576 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 3: Charlie had a lot of he would go. He would 577 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 3: go m I A for days and I'd be like, 578 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 3: it's like me and my kids. Now, I'm like, where 579 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 3: are you? Where are you? And he's like, oh, I'm 580 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 3: just a Charlie And I'm like, okay, Well, at least 581 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 3: he's not driving. At least I know he's in. 582 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: The building building. He just takes the elevator. 583 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 3: Uh huh so yeah, so at least I could know 584 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 3: he was semi safe. But one night, I think we 585 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 3: had gone to a Playboy mansion party. We came back 586 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 3: and he was like, I'm going over to Charlie's. And 587 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, bye, have fun, see you in a week. 588 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: Uh. 589 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 3: It's literally and then he calls me and he's like, 590 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 3: come on, Tee, you gotta come over. Charlie says come over, 591 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 3: you gotta come on, Like, I don't want to go over. 592 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: I don't. I honestly I want to go to bed. 593 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,959 Speaker 3: And I had a friend with me and she was like, 594 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 3: are you kidding Charlie Sheen's condo? Wait, we got to 595 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 3: go over, and I was like, oh shit. I was 596 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 3: like five minutes. We're going for five minutes. She was 597 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 3: like okay, cool, and I was like okay, So we 598 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 3: go over and no joke, you know, you take the 599 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 3: elevator up, goes right into your vestibule. We used to 600 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 3: say our vestibule. Wow, yeah, those. 601 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: Were the days. 602 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:56,479 Speaker 1: Uh. 603 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 3: The door opens and Charlie is standing there in a 604 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 3: button up I want to say, Hawaian shirt. I don't 605 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 3: even know what it was. And he hands me something 606 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 3: he goes hot crack pipe and I was like nope, 607 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 3: no thanks, and then he was like come on in. 608 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 3: It was yes. I don't know. I didn't see the condo. 609 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 3: It was very dark. It was a lot dark. I 610 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 3: mean literally all the lights were off and the only 611 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 3: lights were like, you know, people smoking or like doing. 612 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 3: I don't know what was going on, but we went. 613 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 3: He was always very nice and he charming and sweet, 614 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 3: very and very very smart. We're like, what define smart intelligence? Oh? 615 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 2: He is. 616 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 3: So he brings me into the kitchen and he's like, well, 617 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 3: anything else. I was terrified to take anything else. I 618 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 3: didn't know. I was like, you know, there were so 619 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 3: many people there and they were all like, oh yeah, Charlie, 620 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 3: weave this, we have that. And I was like I'm 621 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 3: good and I was like I'll have a drink. Then 622 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 3: I was like, oh god, what there's something in the drinks. 623 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 3: I don't know what to do. I was literally like, 624 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 3: do you have a soda? And I was like, oh 625 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 3: my god, what am I doing? So yeah, he took 626 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 3: us around. I believe there were some ladies of the night. 627 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 2: There probably okay, I wouldn't be surprised. 628 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 3: And just a lot of people. And then Kevin's like, 629 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 3: isn't this the best? I'm like, no, this is not 630 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 3: the best, but this is you know, you know me 631 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 3: Like I'm like my dad storyteller in my head and 632 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 3: this is way back before I ever wrote books or 633 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,439 Speaker 3: do anything. I'm like, this is a good story to tell, though, 634 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 3: you know, I'll tell this at dinner with my friends sometime. 635 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 3: So we left. That was it. 636 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 2: That was it? That was it? Oh that's a good story. Yeah. 637 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 3: So that's my only memory of being there. And you 638 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 3: guys used to have a food delivery service. I remember that. 639 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 2: How was it? A lot of people did? We had 640 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 2: the shit? 641 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember what it was, but it's because 642 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 3: you were on it. I actually was like I should 643 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 3: do something, and I got on it and then they 644 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 3: didn't pie It was like. 645 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 2: They would deliver the coolers with all of our food, and. 646 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,959 Speaker 3: The coolers would still be sitting there with the food 647 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 3: in it because I would eat chips or whatever and 648 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 3: you know, and good stuff like Yeah, I never ate it, 649 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 3: I think. 650 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was one of those. 651 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was unfair. It was unfair. 652 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, the guys downstairs took all of our bags of Charles, 653 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: all of our coolers. 654 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:22,919 Speaker 2: Everyone in the building. 655 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,879 Speaker 3: Wait really, yeah, like stole them. 656 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: No, no, no, meaning they would no, they would get 657 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,959 Speaker 1: them all in deliver room were cracked, cracked. 658 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,439 Speaker 2: And cal building and far Faara face. 659 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 3: It was literally right across the hall on the same floor. 660 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 2: I remember seeing all of them. 661 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Rodney Dangerfield. Yeah, it was a it 662 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 3: was a cool building. But I digress. Can we talk 663 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 3: about OnlyFans? 664 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I thought you were going to fucking join it? 665 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 2: I know, why not. I don't know what the fuck 666 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 2: are you waiting for. 667 00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. 668 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 1: Ruth Anne, she says, no, you have nothing. She has 669 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: nothing to lose. We have nothing to lose. At our age. 670 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: People want to see us fuck it and bring second. 671 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 3: Please for a second. Ruthanne's always on the podcast. I know, 672 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 3: I know. 673 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 2: Oh here I'm going to tell you my experience. 674 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 3: Then she's like, oh my god. 675 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 2: She's all right, She's like, oh fuck. 676 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: So I didn't know what the hell OnlyFans was listen, 677 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: if we're starting out fine, Even at that I wish 678 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: I had the confidence now back then, I really do. 679 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. So she thought only fans when I brought it up, 680 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 3: because it's a constant conversation. We go back and forth, 681 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 3: and because why do you think she shouldn't do it? 682 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 3: She thought she thought it was porn. 683 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 2: Some of it is. 684 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 3: She didn't know. 685 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: No, I'm going to explain this to you what I thought. 686 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: So I did not know what the hell it was. 687 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: And then my daughter joined it, and my daughter got 688 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: so much backlash from it, and I was upset because 689 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: I did Starship Troopers and then within four months Wild 690 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: Things came out and it was such a risk for 691 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: me as a young actress to do that, and I've thought, Okay, 692 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: this will go one way or the other, and thank 693 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: god it went the. 694 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 2: Way it did. 695 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: After that, there was certain projects that people wanted to 696 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: see me for, or people had a different perception and whatever. 697 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: If the internet was the way it is now, it 698 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: would have been so difficult, I think for me to 699 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 1: deal with that. And I was just telling Tea before 700 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: you came in here that I wish I had the 701 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: confidence now obviously back then, but so I joined the damn. 702 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 2: Thing and it was it's actually for me. 703 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: I don't care anymore what people say, because I have 704 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: been through the ringer with press, with stuff, with my 705 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: people saying stuff, rumors, this or that. It's like, say 706 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: what you want, and it's also a great way. And 707 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people think it's just naked stuff and 708 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: all that. 709 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 2: It's not. It's for me. 710 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 1: It means, or what I think of it as is 711 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: almost the having a fan site where you can communicate 712 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: differently than on Instagram, you know that kind of thing. 713 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: And do I do topless? Yeah, but I already have 714 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 1: it out there because I did fucking Playboy. 715 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 3: Your tits are out there, they're not they're not. 716 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 2: Oh well you might as well have them out there. 717 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: And you know what after these yeah right, I'm like, 718 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: if someone wants to see my boobies and see meeting, 719 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 1: and I'm like, fucking thank you. I am so grateful. 720 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: Fuck no one's gonna say. And I thought I was 721 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: going to lose jobs that didn't happen. 722 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 3: So I don't know, but I want you to be 723 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 3: able to be like the voice. All I'm saying, I 724 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 3: don't know. 725 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: I guess I just don't have a rasp on what 726 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 1: it is what you would be doing if you're not. 727 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 2: I've cooked. 728 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: I do when I'm getting wardrobe ready or whatever for 729 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,280 Speaker 1: going out of town, or I have to pick what dress. 730 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: I treat it like stuff that I don't post on Instagram. 731 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: I'll post on that and I'll say, okay, do you 732 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:38,760 Speaker 1: like this or that? Or I'm just getting to this place, 733 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: and I don't know. There's just it's a little different. 734 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: You don't always have to do all of that. I 735 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: don't always do. Do I have I done topless? 736 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 2: Yes? Do I show my trashet? Yes? And if people 737 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 2: want to see. 738 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 3: Its great at my age, I subscribe. 739 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: I am like, thank you, because there's going to be 740 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 1: a day no one's going to want to fucking see it. 741 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: So I'm not that never, but I'm grateful youmorates it. 742 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 3: I think that is because it's me and sometimes what 743 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 3: other people can do and it's a little more acceptable 744 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 3: with me. It's just like nope, yeah, just fine, I 745 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 3: get it. No, matter what she says and does, it's 746 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 3: a headline and it's negative. Well her too, but she's 747 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 3: thank you. 748 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true they're not always possible, but. 749 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 3: You still get acting jobs. I think she's worried, like, oh, well, 750 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 3: she's not get an acting job because of. 751 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: It and things like that, and you know, endorsements. We're 752 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: trying the podcast new and there's some other things coming down. 753 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 2: I say, you want to wait and see. 754 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: I just would be concerned about going down that path 755 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: without first exploring other going down, just in case if 756 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: someone's like, I don't want to do a hair thing 757 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: or this, because but if you can go on only 758 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,919 Speaker 1: Fans and do other things, I said to you, I'm 759 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: not opposed to that. 760 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 3: I feel I mean, you never stopped working, but I 761 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 3: feel like since you joined Only Fans you've gotten other 762 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 3: things exactly. And I thought, oh, and that's what you 763 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:24,879 Speaker 3: told me too, And it's true. 764 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,760 Speaker 2: I was like, oh fuck, I fucked myself. No, I've worked. 765 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: I've had a great like since I joined, I've been 766 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: working a lot. 767 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 2: It's just I go back to the people that are 768 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 2: hiring us. 769 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: There maybe on they're looking and I'm like, well, good, 770 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: they can look at me and hire me. 771 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 2: I don't care. 772 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: True, Maybe if I was younger, I'd be like, they 773 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,799 Speaker 1: can't look at me like that. No, I'm like, well 774 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: fuck it, I'll do it. I'm too old right now. 775 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 2: I don't care. Okay, But everyone's different, Like. 776 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 1: Okay, who's the oldest guy you've been with? 777 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,399 Speaker 3: That would be I guess Dean. Oh and he. 778 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 2: Have you had sex sense? Dean? You don't have to 779 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 2: answer yes, that's good. I mean he clearly is. 780 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but it is a whole different playing field. 781 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 3: But like I feel like, you know, we all go 782 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,280 Speaker 3: through our phases of how we want to dress and look, 783 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 3: and we're able to change how we feel in the moment. 784 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,800 Speaker 3: That's our given right, it's our bodies, it's our minds 785 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 3: and hearts and our vibes and what we want to do. 786 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 3: And people definitely have a very strong opinion of being 787 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,320 Speaker 3: fifty one and the way I dress. 788 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I think it's different now, Like my 789 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: mom would not have dressed like this. Yeah, and maybe 790 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,359 Speaker 1: I'm inappropriate whatever. 791 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 2: But find inappropriate though, Like right, so, I just want 792 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 2: to be. 793 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 3: Me, and it's like that everyone takes that away from you, 794 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 3: like they don't want to be. 795 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,240 Speaker 1: I don't read it or listen to it. I know, 796 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: I really don't idea. But maybe that's something that you 797 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: maybe coming into the next phase of your life after 798 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 1: your breakup and you're you know, going through your divorce 799 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 1: and everything and coming into another phase, just embrace your 800 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: fifties and. 801 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 2: Like be you. Who cares? What do you have to lose? 802 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 1: People say shit anyway, it's true, so you might as 803 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 1: well be happy and do what you want to do. 804 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 2: They're gonna say it anyway. 805 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 3: I'm never gonna wear a business suit that wasn't me 806 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 3: in my thirties, that wasn't did They. 807 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 2: Would be like, what the fuck is she doing wearing 808 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 2: a fucking business suit? Yeah she looks weird. 809 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,720 Speaker 3: Yes, so so you can't. 810 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 2: But I so who cares. 811 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 3: It's like we have very little control in this Like 812 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,359 Speaker 3: you're a people pleaser too. 813 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: I know myself when I'm talking to you, I'm talking 814 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 1: to you while I'm talking to me. 815 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 3: Yep, yep, on the same page. 816 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 2: So okay, but it's true. 817 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:37,279 Speaker 3: I'm like, we have so little control in life that 818 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 3: it's like that's the one thing I can control is. 819 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 1: How I okay and Luk here's what I'm gonna say. 820 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:49,799 Speaker 1: You lost Luke M. Shannon recently. Life is fucking short. Yeah, 821 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,439 Speaker 1: be you and embrace yourself and don't worry what people say. 822 00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? 823 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: I do and just be you and enjoy it. 824 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,400 Speaker 3: But is it inappropriate at a certain age? 825 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: Well? 826 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,399 Speaker 3: Nice? Got frog my third doing that? Like when I'm seventy, 827 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 3: can I dress how I want to dress? Do I 828 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 3: have to have? 829 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 2: And let's just focus on now now? 830 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then when you're seventy you worry about it then, 831 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 1: So just be you now and stay in the moment 832 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,839 Speaker 1: and you're be you and enjoy it. 833 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 2: You have so much going on for you. I mean, 834 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 2: you have this. It's like, I'm so happy for you. 835 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 3: It's it's such a good platform. I'm finally able to. 836 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 2: Be wonderful and I'm me and yeah, and who gives 837 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 2: a shit? Say crap? 838 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,120 Speaker 1: Anyway, you might as well have them say crap with 839 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: you being you and enjoying your life then trying to 840 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,840 Speaker 1: pretend to be someone else or do something else to 841 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:56,720 Speaker 1: please other people. 842 00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 2: Right, you know? 843 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,760 Speaker 3: I was just I was just so uh in situations 844 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 3: where I felt controlled and had to and and not 845 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:10,880 Speaker 3: talking about Dean. I understand where I felt controlled and 846 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 3: I had to be a certain way and act a 847 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:18,840 Speaker 3: certain way to make sure everyone else was happy, and 848 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,200 Speaker 3: speak a certain way and not be too Yeah when 849 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:23,239 Speaker 3: we're getting. 850 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 1: When you're doing talk shows and it's like you don't 851 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,279 Speaker 1: even know who the hell you are anymore. Yeah, when 852 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: you have to have a rehearse thing and oh you 853 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: can't say that or this or that, it's like, oh, 854 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,800 Speaker 1: well shit, what can I say? 855 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 3: Right? I mean, I remember having a manager that when 856 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 3: I was almost near the end of nine two. 857 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:45,239 Speaker 1: Oho. 858 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 3: So I was blonde on nine o two and oh, 859 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,480 Speaker 3: and then I went red for the last few years 860 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:55,120 Speaker 3: and or more. And that was strategic because I had 861 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,399 Speaker 3: a mander then that was like, okay, you're we got 862 00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 3: to get you out of this mold. You know, the 863 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,799 Speaker 3: platin blonde and I want your hair dark and you 864 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,719 Speaker 3: got to be the girl next door. And I was like, well, 865 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,960 Speaker 3: I don't know how to relate to that because the 866 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 3: house I grew up and it was an entire block. 867 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,279 Speaker 3: So the girl next door was me, me, and then me, 868 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,479 Speaker 3: I know me too. We would have had fun, would 869 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 3: those days? But yeah, and so I can look back 870 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 3: and see if very distinct. I started wearing like button 871 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 3: up shirts and like and I'm like, oh man, I'm like, 872 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,879 Speaker 3: that wasn't me. And it's like, well, you're gonna get 873 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 3: more acting roles this way. Your versatile, if you know, 874 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:42,839 Speaker 3: can not just be Donna or Tory. And yeah, and 875 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,799 Speaker 3: it's not just like through there there is you know, 876 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,000 Speaker 3: it's been you know, in the last decade or so, 877 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,400 Speaker 3: in certain business situations, there's still been that thing of 878 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,840 Speaker 3: you know, as an adult, now I'm able to be like, well, 879 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,760 Speaker 3: this is how I want to be, and there's push back, 880 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:05,320 Speaker 3: but also that pull of still wanting to please others 881 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 3: in like I get it business situations where you know, 882 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:13,880 Speaker 3: maybe others aren't as inappropriate as me or in our 883 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:14,759 Speaker 3: more conservatives to. 884 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,400 Speaker 1: Me, inappropriate it's you being you and if they don't, 885 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:19,359 Speaker 1: who cares? 886 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,080 Speaker 2: Like, let them be them? 887 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 1: Mm? You be you? 888 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 3: Right now? I'm able because here I am being me 889 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 3: with you, which is great. 890 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 2: And what was the advice that Shannon always told you? 891 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,240 Speaker 3: She told me to take back my power to speak 892 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:42,040 Speaker 3: up for myself. That be me, right yeah? And then 893 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,319 Speaker 3: and she said what are you scared of? I was like, 894 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 3: and it was about making others feel smaller, and so 895 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,600 Speaker 3: I stay small to make them feel equaler or better 896 00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,239 Speaker 3: than me or above me. I always was in the 897 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,319 Speaker 3: second position because of you grew up. Yeah, I felt 898 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 3: that need like, yeah, they think I you know, if 899 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,239 Speaker 3: I'm wealthy, if i'm this, I'm not like. Oh, then 900 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 3: I should make myself small so others feel like Oh see. 901 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,400 Speaker 2: And I get it. Yeah, I'm happy for you. We 902 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,560 Speaker 2: have more to talk about. 903 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,479 Speaker 1: Yes, we are going to have our little friend here, 904 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,840 Speaker 1: not little friend, but he's gonna come here and I 905 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,359 Speaker 1: will educate him on OnlyFans. Oh my gosh, Phil, we'll 906 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,359 Speaker 1: have Billy Boy Shatner here. 907 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,759 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. He would love Billy to talk to you. 908 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,080 Speaker 3: I would be amazing, the three of us. It would 909 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,560 Speaker 3: be fun. I should create something. 910 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 1: Okay, I'll go online and show him pictures. 911 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:45,360 Speaker 2: That's what I'm going to do. 912 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,359 Speaker 3: He did say he was confused. To talk him through 913 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,040 Speaker 3: it how someone could look clothed, And then if you like, 914 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 3: I will pay more, get a damn jacate him. 915 00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,839 Speaker 1: I'll bring my iPad and go on my thing my 916 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,319 Speaker 1: and I will show him everything. 917 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 2: How fun would that be? Silly Shatner, You're such a. 918 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,400 Speaker 3: Fun oh my god, I love you. 919 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,080 Speaker 2: I love you.