1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 2: Good morning, as we speak with Andrew Cormo. He was 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 2: a governor of the Empire State. He's running for mayor 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: here in a contested primary to get to the election 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: November fourth. As well. Let's look the disclaimer out of 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: the way. We should say that Michael Bloomberg is a 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: former mayor of New York and the owner of Bloomberg 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: LP and our radio and TV enterprises at Bloomberg at 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: Bloomberg eleventh re zero, and we say again, good morning. 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: I want to begin with my family. I'm a Kodak 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: brat from Western New York, and I remember it was 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 2: like in Mary Poppins when the weather vane chames there. 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 2: I remember this is years ago, and a guy who 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: was in the Pittsburgh Pirates baseball organization. It was a 15 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: fractured New York City, a fractured Empire State, and your 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: father in the middle eighties pieced it together. Again. I 17 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: give the clearest memory of Republicans and Democrats and Wes 18 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: Junior coin. Who is this guy? How are you going 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: to piece together a fractured New York City. 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very good question. When my father took over. 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 3: At that time, the big fracture was upstate versus downstairs, right, 22 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 3: you lived it, Yes, we lived it. And Upstate, for 23 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 3: non New York is primarily Republican leaning conservative. New York 24 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 3: City at that time very very liberal. So that was 25 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 3: the big divide. Now it's basically within New York City, 26 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 3: and it's really within the Democratic Party. I mean, we 27 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: have the Democratic Republican schism obviously in New York City, 28 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 3: but the Republican Party is relatively small in New York City. 29 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 3: But we are working through this. What is the future 30 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: of the Democratic Party post Trump? And that is playing 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 3: out in New York City and cities across the country. 32 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a vignette. My Bellley was 33 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: in the garage today. I had to take who work 34 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: to come into work. My driver's Dominican republic barely speaks English. 35 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: He was so pleased to talk to me about you. 36 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: He said, I'm voting for Andrew Cromo, and this was 37 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: his exact language. I am a Democrat Conservative. I want 38 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 2: to go back to javits at coach all of them. 39 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 2: How does the Conservative Democratic Party of that Dominican Republican driver, 40 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: how does it move forward out of this primary where 41 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: the liberals, the progressives have been so dominant in the verbiage. 42 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 3: Well, this is what's interesting. I was a crazy liberal 43 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: all my life, right, My father was the father used 44 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 3: to tell me that, Yeah, I was the son of 45 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 3: a crazy liberal and a crazy liberal. But the progressives 46 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 3: have gone so far. First of all, I disagree with 47 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 3: the word progressive right, like it's a new phrase that 48 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 3: they coined. FDR was a progressive. My father was a 49 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 3: progressive right, so it's not a new term. But they 50 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 3: are so far. 51 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: To the left that they have eclipsed what were traditionally progressive. 52 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: Liberal use your word ideology, and it is unrealistic and 53 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: it is counterproductive. And that's what people are starting to 54 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: find out, especially in this environment. You know, post COVID 55 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: cities are going through a crisis. Another had I was 56 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: the former HUD Secretary Housing in Urban Development under Clinton, 57 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: and cities have gone through transformations over time post COVID. 58 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 3: This is going to be a major transformation for urban America. 59 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: You don't have to be in a city anymore. Right, 60 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: the old days you had to be here, The old 61 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: days you had to show up, and cities took advantage 62 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 3: of that you didn't have an option. You have options. 63 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: It's called ability, it's called remote work. And cities now 64 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: have to be more competitive economically. They have to be competitive. 65 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: You can move to a better tax climate, a better 66 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 3: weather climate, and cities are just now working through that adjustment. 67 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 3: I believe. 68 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 4: If you were to be elected governor of a mayor 69 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 4: of this great city, what would be job one on 70 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 4: day one for you? 71 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 3: Job one? Problem is job one is like three jobs. 72 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: It's public safety, because nothing works without public safety. It's 73 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 3: getting the homeless mentally all off the streets, which plays 74 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 3: into public safety, quality of life. People feel the cities 75 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 3: out of control, right. There's a sense of chaos when 76 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: you walk down the streets, that is correct. There's a 77 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 3: fear when you descend into the subway. Now that's relatively new, right, 78 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 3: and that has to change. Before you get to the 79 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 3: economics and taxes and are we chasing you out, et cetera. 80 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 3: The first thing that chases you out is you're just 81 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 3: not safe here. You don't feel comfortable here. And I 82 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: think that's the first crisis. 83 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: Well, then to follow on from that and talking to 84 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: Laura Namius or lead on this Jessica Tish gets high marks. 85 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: Can you give Jessica Tish high marks in her early 86 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 2: months of running NYPD? 87 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 3: Oh, she's done a very good job. She has done 88 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: a very good job. 89 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: Can who do you reappoint hers at? Or do you 90 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: have someone else? We've got to make some news here. 91 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 3: We're gonna have to make some news. I am not 92 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 3: in the I don't believe in saying who you're going 93 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: to appoint, who you're not going to appoint this kind 94 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: of arrogant until you get the job, I can tell 95 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: you I think Commissioner Tish is doing a very good 96 00:05:55,080 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 3: job this stability. We went through a number of police commissioners. 97 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 3: Each one brought their own tumult and their own transformation. 98 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: Jessica titious steady, The NYPD feel steady. But the NYPD 99 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 3: alone really is not going to be enough to restore 100 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 3: to people the sense that I feel comfortable in New 101 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 3: York City. It's worth my paying the premium to live here. 102 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: I pay a premium to live in New York City. Right, 103 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 3: I'm paying high taxes, but I get X y M. 104 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 2: We just heard that from Charles cant exactly. 105 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 4: You mentioned the subway here at the MTA. 106 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. 107 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 4: I've been riding this subway for thirty five years. Every 108 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 4: day I tell people the only thing that's changed in 109 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 4: thirty five years cars are now air conditioned. Everything else 110 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 4: is the same, which is a good thing. That's a compliment. 111 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 4: It gets millions of people around the city every day. 112 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 4: How as governor, you said the city should pay more 113 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 4: for the MTA. As mayor, how would you manage the MTA. 114 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 4: We've got congestion pricing, We've got a big, big shortfall there. 115 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 4: How do we keep this subway riding safely efficiently. 116 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: The first step on the subways is safety, quality of life. 117 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 3: Getting the homeless mentally ill off the subways. That's what 118 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: frightens people. Not just homeless people. We've certain urban environments 119 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: have homeless people. These are homeless mentally ill people that 120 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: threaten individuals or their presence is threatening, and that has 121 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: to change. Now, you're right, was it as bad as 122 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: it was back in the early nineties. No, But a 123 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: lot of people weren't here in the early nineties, right, 124 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 3: And if you were here, really, Bloomberg mayor Bloomberg post, 125 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: this city was much safer, much cleaner, felt much different. 126 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 3: And this is a dramatic juxtaposition to that. 127 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: Andrew Cromo with this Sosi, who welcome all of you 128 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: on Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio across nation, of course, 129 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: out on YouTube Good Morning, and of course on the 130 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: Nation Serius X channel one twenty one as well. We're 131 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: trying to get him to stay for two three hours. 132 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: He's saying, yeah, maybe I can't, but we're going to 133 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 2: have a good conversation here with a former governor. I 134 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: want to get this out of the way right now, 135 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: and it's on all the allegations of this, that the other, 136 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: the COVID stuff, the sex stuff, and that. Let's just 137 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 2: get it out of the way so we can move on. 138 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: The fact is it's reported you've gone after, not going 139 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: after in a collegiate way. I'm going to say, you 140 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 2: have your own litigation, your own lawsuits. These are all 141 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: distractions if you become mayor. In the floating out there 142 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: is the idea. Okay, now, Mike told me once mayor's 143 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: a twenty eight hour week job. I don't know if 144 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: that's sure or not, but let's say it's a full 145 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: commitment to be mayor. Will you push aside all of 146 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: the different things you're doing in litigation and lawsuits to 147 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: focus solely on being mayor, do you postpone them or 148 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: just say enough that part is over, that past is over. 149 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look in these jobs when I was governor, saying 150 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 3: as true for mayor, if you don't get sued five 151 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 3: times a day, you're not doing your job, you know. 152 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: So you have to be very good at taking compartmentalizing, 153 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 3: to use a word, but handing off pieces that are 154 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 3: not currently relevant. And that has to be done no 155 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 3: matter what. 156 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 4: We saw some very disturbing images coming out of the 157 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 4: city of Los Angeles over the weekend. How do you 158 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 4: view kind of I guess, just kind of how we 159 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 4: deal with immigrants, how we deal with the policing of 160 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 4: our cities visa via the federal government sending in troops. 161 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 4: When you look at the images this week of Los Angeles, 162 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 4: how did you project that upon New York City? 163 00:09:59,120 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: Ha. 164 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 3: This gets into President Trump's strategy, I believe, and look, 165 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 3: first of all, on the immigration issue, he's very clear 166 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 3: in his campaign he believes it's an issue that works 167 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 3: for him. During the campaign, he said he was going 168 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 3: to deport criminals, dangerous criminals, dangerous criminals, and everybody support 169 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 3: said yes, support dangerous criminals. Of course, now we're deporting 170 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 3: seven year olds and we're disrupting families, and by the way, 171 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: we're deporting people who shouldn't be deported. So that's a change. 172 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 3: But this issue works for the president politically. The president 173 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 3: is also very good and I worked with the president 174 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 3: in the first Trump administration, worked with euphemism. We had 175 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 3: a lot of controversy, but this is a different tempo 176 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 3: for him. Wayne Gretzky skate to where the puck is 177 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 3: going to be, not where it was. The Democrats have 178 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 3: to adjust. They are skating to where the pucket was. 179 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: This immigration issue, in some ways is a distraction from 180 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 3: what Trump is really doing with cities, which is cutting 181 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 3: the budget in a way that is so dramatic that 182 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 3: you can really cause major difficulties for urban areas. 183 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 2: Kevin Cromo pro tip. When you're going to talk a 184 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: hockey you're in a mayoral race, you pick genre Tell 185 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: or someone like that with the New York Rangers. You 186 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 2: don't go with Gretzky Andrew Cromo with us here as 187 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: we look at this mayor race, Okay, Robert Kuttner, no, 188 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: friend of yours writing an American Prospect. He says to Cuomo, 189 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: peak too soon. You've got the tensions of the primary. 190 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 2: If you take the primary, the tensions of a general 191 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 2: election with different independent candidates, and that is the president 192 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: mayor in the back pocket of the president the United States. 193 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: And if we get LA, as Paul mentions, here, can 194 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 2: you imagine this? I mean, I'll let you pick the geography, 195 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: Governor Cromo, but the president mayor of New York, can 196 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: he protect the citizens of this city, given the relationship 197 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 2: with the president, after what we've seen in LA. 198 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 3: Short answer, no, And let's remember how extraordinary these issues. 199 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 3: What's happening in LA. This is the exact reverse of 200 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 3: what normally happens. Normally, it's the local government that makes 201 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 3: the decision on how to handle an emergency and calls 202 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 3: on the federal government. So a mayor or a governor 203 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 3: would call on the federal government say I need help. 204 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 3: Please send a national guard, or please send an additional 205 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 3: federal help. I don't believe there's been a time where 206 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 3: the president has sent in federal troops. You'd have to 207 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 3: go back to like the sixties and President Johnson and 208 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 3: Wallace right, that's how far you have to go back. 209 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 3: So this is Trump being Trump. This is Trump on 210 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 3: this issue of immigration. I'm muscled. It's law and order. 211 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 3: These cities, these Democrats, they're filled with illegals, and I'm 212 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 3: going to come in and I'm going to come in 213 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 3: hot and heavy. He started in La. It will happen 214 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 3: in New York. It will happen. He knows the formula, right, 215 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 3: It happened in New Jersey. 216 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 2: This is formula to go after you. 217 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 3: I mean, this is his formula is to create chaos 218 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 3: in the cities. And he is the voice of law 219 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 3: and order. And you know cities, all those Democrats, that's 220 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 3: where all those illegal immigrants are. And he's going to 221 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 3: come in and he's going to clean up. The flip 222 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: side is okay, create chaos in LA, create chaos in 223 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 3: New York, create chaos in Chicago. Pretty soon you create 224 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 3: chaos in the nation. And that's bad for the economy. 225 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 4: So what's the biggest challenge for you in this primary 226 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 4: race here and then potentially in the general election. 227 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 3: What do you have to get across in a Democratic primary? 228 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 3: And you now have the tension between post Trump, what 229 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 3: directions does the Democratic party go and some people believe 230 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 3: we lost to Trump because we didn't go left enough. 231 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 3: So I have a democratic socialist. Really, there's no such 232 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 3: thing as a democratic socialist. It's just a socialist. They 233 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 3: use democratic as a modifier because socialist is a shocking 234 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 3: But it's a socialist who says, dismantle the police. The 235 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 3: police stay is oppressive. Everything free, free, transportation, free everything. 236 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 3: Tax the rich, so there's class warfare in there. We'll 237 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 3: tax the one percent. The one percent should pay because 238 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 3: they are rich and fat and they made money on 239 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 3: the rest of us and everything else. 240 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: Let's migrate there. The Financial Times dare. That's summary article 241 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: this week and Andrew Cromo. Where there's folks, and we 242 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: welcome all of you on Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio 243 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: worldwide and of course here in the Tristate area. Bloomberg 244 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: eleven three to zero across the five Burroughs. The ft 245 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: lined up the halves who are supporting you. You're the 246 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: guy a choice, and he answers. Some of them really 247 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: are behind Andrew Croomo and others are betting this guy 248 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: might win, so we better get behind with him. How 249 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: do you say, take the landlords and they gave you 250 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: X number of million, I would say, that's like almost 251 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 2: normal politics. But then how do you protect tenants and 252 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: renters in a city of horrific housing economics. 253 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: Well, first, if you are going to be an elected office, 254 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 3: you cannot be influenced by who gives you money, Right, 255 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 3: that's rule number one. That's not saying to a journalist, well, 256 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 3: look at who's taking advertising in your newspaper and write 257 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 3: favorable things about the advertisers. Then you're not a journalist. 258 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 3: It's unethical. If you and I've been in an elected 259 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 3: office many times have raised hundreds of millions of dollars, 260 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 3: it can't matter who gives you money. Now to the 261 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 3: extent people are supporting me, who are institutional interests because 262 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 3: institutional interests need a city that works, right, they want 263 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 3: a city with the future. What they're afraid of is 264 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 3: you elect a socialist who tries to give everything away free, 265 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 3: doubles the taxes on the wealthy, and the wealthy said, 266 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 3: that's it. I'm gone. By the way, we lost five 267 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 3: hundred thousand people since COVID to begin with, You're now 268 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 3: going to double taxes, and people will say, I'm going 269 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 3: to Florida, I'm going to Texas, etc. It's not worth 270 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 3: the premium, especially since the quality of life has deteriorated 271 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 3: and I'm afraid to get on the subways. So why 272 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 3: would I pay the premium to live here when I'm 273 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 3: not getting the benefit of living here. I'll go to Texas, 274 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 3: I'll go to Florida. I'll come back a few times 275 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 3: a year. I'll see you play. I can hire a 276 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 3: private jet with the tax savings. That's what we have 277 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 3: to worry. 278 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 4: About, Governor, speaking of Trump's relationship with city mayor's. President, 279 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 4: Trump's Justice Department is investigating you or allegations you lied 280 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 4: to Congress about COVID. You said that that's politically motivated. 281 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 4: But how afraid of you are the possibility of getting indicted, 282 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 4: perhaps even arrested by the trum administration. That's got to 283 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 4: be on the table. 284 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, this is a joke, But this investigation is 285 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 3: a joke. But there's no doubt that Donald Trump uses 286 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 3: the Department of Justice and the justice system as one 287 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 3: of the tools in the political arsenal. When I was governor, 288 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 3: the governor the first when I was governor and dealt 289 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 3: with Trump in the first administration. He investigated me twice 290 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 3: with the Department of Justice. That sort of like his 291 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 3: left jab. Just keep throwing it out there. 292 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: I want to go back here. I want to get 293 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 2: back to the primary, the election. At Hann lauris saying, Okay, 294 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 2: all this big picture stuff is great. You got to 295 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: win the primary. You got to get onto the election. 296 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 2: How about nineteen seventy seven, folks, this is New York 297 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: City in the five boroughs. Bella Absick took Manhattan, a 298 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 2: Beam took Brooklyn, but Doo took the Bronx. A guy 299 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: named Cuomo took Queens and Staten Island, and Ed Koch won. 300 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 2: That's how nuts New York City is. Which geography right 301 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: now is most critical for you in the five boroughs 302 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 2: for you to take this primary. 303 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. Back in nineteen seventy seven, the boroughs 304 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 3: were more homogeneous and sort of class oriented. That has 305 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 3: changed over time. The basic division is you have younger, 306 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 3: more activist, more progressive. If you will voters who identify 307 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 3: as socialists, they will say I am socialist, I say 308 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 3: tax the rich, I say everything should be free. Palestine 309 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 3: factors in there, and that's one demographic. And then you 310 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 3: have a second demographic, which is a little bit older, 311 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 3: more mainstream, if you will, and that's the Democrat demographic 312 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 3: that I appeal to. 313 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 2: You brought up Palestine, Let's go there right now. There's 314 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 2: a unique relationship of this city with Israel. Everyone knows this. 315 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: We see nationwide a new form, a new debate over 316 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 2: anti Semitism. I think of Earth eleven. My household happened 317 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 2: to worship his father a million years ago. Explain to 318 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 2: me your relationship with Israel as mayor of New York City. 319 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: How will that be distinctive given the horror that we 320 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 2: see in the levant. 321 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 3: Well, it's a great question, and it is unique to 322 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 3: New York. I believe if you grow up in New 323 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 3: York the way I have, the Jewish community is such 324 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 3: an integral part of New York. Right, New York is 325 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: not New York without the Jewish community. Jewish community started 326 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 3: coming to New York in sixteen fifty, one hundred years 327 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 3: before the other immigration groups, and they have been in 328 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 3: major institutions. So you grow up with the Jewish community. 329 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 3: I have two brothers in law who were Jewish, my 330 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 3: son in law is Jewish. It's that close a connection 331 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 3: and I've been one hundred percent supportive of Israel. My 332 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 3: father was before me. I've done numerous trips to Israel. 333 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 3: I was very aggressive supporting Israel. This was the first 334 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 3: state to go against boycott, discriminate, disinvestment in sanctions for Israel. 335 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 3: So it is a very pro Israel state. 336 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 4: Paul here, please, Governor No One presumably arguably takes the 337 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 4: air out of the room more than President Trump. He 338 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 4: just demands the media attention in a way we've never 339 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 4: seen before. Are you surprised that the Democratic Party no 340 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 4: one has stepped up, no voice has emerged to at 341 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 4: least counter some of the policies and some of the 342 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 4: arguments coming out of the Trump administration. And would you 343 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 4: relish that role at some point? 344 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 3: Well, I'll go back to the Wayne Gretzky quote that 345 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: I wasn't supposed to. 346 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 2: Use a stranger in New York. 347 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 3: First, the Democrats have to get the cadence of the game. 348 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 3: They are coming up a day late, right. I don't 349 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 3: believe this. I believe this immigration and Los Angeles and 350 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 3: it's going to get worse, and it's going to be 351 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 3: New York. I believe this works politically for Donald Trump. 352 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 3: I also believe it masks the budget debate, which is 353 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 3: really the consequential debate for urban America short term. And 354 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 3: he's onto a new topic now and the Democrats wind 355 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 3: up a day because if you're arguing about the budget today, 356 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 3: you're missing Los Angeles and New Jersey and the immigration debate. 357 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 2: We're going to wrap up here in a moment here 358 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: for Bloomberg Television, of Bloomberg Radio, Andrewcomo with Politico. There 359 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 2: was a mayor from Chicago who can be a little 360 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: spicy name Emmanuel. He's out this weekend and Rams all 361 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 2: wound up about the week in the wooke Democratic Party brand, 362 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 2: and I would say he was basically he is mayor 363 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: of Chicago, and potentially you was mayor of New Yorker. 364 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 2: The one's fighting the fight to get the Democratic Party 365 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 2: to get some backbone. Does that lead to a presidential 366 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: effort in twenty twenty eight? I mean, is a Democratic 367 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 2: Party going to shift back to that centrist tendency that 368 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 2: we talked about in nineteen eighty five? 369 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 3: Centrist forget the trying to define political edy ideology. I 370 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 3: worked with Ram and the Clinton administration. It's sort of 371 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 3: practical and common sense, right, the Democrats lost to Trump. 372 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 3: Why did we lose to Trump? I don't believe Trump won. 373 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 3: I believe the Democrats lost. I believe what happened is 374 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 3: the Democrats became disconnected from their people. They became disconnected 375 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 3: from the kitchen table issues. Talk to me about my mortgage, 376 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 3: talk to me about my job, talk to me about 377 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 3: the economy, talk to me about public safety. I don't 378 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 3: want to hear about these esoteric issues right now when 379 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 3: I'm worried about my life today. And do something for me. 380 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 3: You're the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party fundamentally believes in 381 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 3: the functionality of government, and you haven't functioned. Show me 382 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 3: something that you did for me that made a difference 383 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 3: in my life. Joe Biden, you were president. What did 384 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 3: you do that I can see, feel, or touch. That's 385 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 3: where the Democrats blew up, Paul. 386 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: This is so important. I want to get back to 387 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: some of the basic stuff Paul was talking about. I mean, 388 00:24:55,119 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 2: day one, the congestion text, day one, planes, day one, 389 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: nobody can afford to live in the city. What's the 390 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 2: day Paul, as this earlier, what's your day one? Mandate 391 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 2: to those kitchen table Democrats, independents and disaffected Republicans. 392 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 3: What they're saying first is make me safe. I'm afraid 393 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 3: to take the subways, and I haven't felt that way 394 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 3: in fifteen years. Make me safe, and that is public safety, 395 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 3: that's mentally homeless, etc. Blending into quality of life, that's 396 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 3: job one. And then affordability. I need to be able 397 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 3: to pay the rent. 398 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: I got forty five seconds because of all the fancy 399 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 2: stuff here in the Bloomberg News organization. Your father stopped 400 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 2: America with a convention speech? Are you going to be 401 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 2: at a convention running for president in the future. 402 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 3: I'm running for mayor and that's enough. 403 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: Andrew Cromo, thank you so much, greatly appreciated this morning. 404 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 2: Do we get everything in there? I think we did 405 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 2: Red Sox the Yankees two out of three this weekend. 406 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: I thought that was got lucky. 407 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 3: They got lucky. They got lucky.