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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of My

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey there, welcome back to the latest edition

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Speaker 1: of the Book of Joe Podcast with me, Tom Berducci

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Speaker 1: and my good buddy Joe Madden. Joe, how you doing today?

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Speaker 1: I am well, Tom, thank you very much, and I'm

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Speaker 1: really excited about this morning's guest. You really tried to

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Speaker 1: help me a couple of days ago. Actually you did

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Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff from me, just a matter

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Speaker 1: of me taking it to the actual golf course. But

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Speaker 1: this guy is this guy is fantastic. All the boys

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Speaker 1: back there in Long Beach love him, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about that in a moment. But Brett really appreciate

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Speaker 1: it coming on this morning, and we have a busy schedule.

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Speaker 1: It's eight o'clock in the morning there in Long Beach areas,

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Speaker 1: so we really appreciate it. Yeah, my pleasure. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me, got it. So this is sort of the

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Speaker 1: sweet spot for Joe and probably for me to you

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Speaker 1: talk about the intersection of golf baseball. Yeah, we'll get

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Speaker 1: into that too, and instruction right teaching. This is really

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Speaker 1: cool to have on Brett Letterer. He is at the

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Speaker 1: Virginia Country Club in Long Beach where he works with

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Mulligan, the CEO there, and Jamie coaches Nellie and

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Speaker 1: Desca Corda, Patrick Cantley. Of course you've heard of them.

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Speaker 1: He's also a veteran of what twelve years playing the tours,

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Speaker 1: Brett Um, so he's got a lot of playing experience

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Speaker 1: as well. So welcome to the podcast, Brett. And uh,

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Speaker 1: let's get right into it, because I'm always curious about

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Speaker 1: how guys get into what they do. So obviously you

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Speaker 1: I always kind of had a niche for coaching, and

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Speaker 1: um when I got done A graduated from lom Me

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Speaker 1: Stay in two thousand and seven and then played for

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Speaker 1: I kind of you know, we're all golf nerds out there,

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Speaker 1: best players in the world, that um I wanted to coach.

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Speaker 1: I've just always kind of enjoyed the golf swing and

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Speaker 1: and there's so much into the coaching part of it,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's interesting to me and um now I've

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Speaker 1: You sta something right there. I mean, it's interesting because

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Speaker 1: you played that long, whether it's corn Ferry or up

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Speaker 1: I'd say My biggest weakness was probably my my distance.

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Speaker 1: And and when I turned pro in two thousand and

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Speaker 1: Distance wasn't anything like it is now. You know, back

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Speaker 1: of it. That's really interesting, Britt, because you are I

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Speaker 1: which I think ideally is best. Right, Like, the less

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Speaker 1: I remember talking to Mark McGuire, who was a really

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Speaker 1: up with it and it's a big part of what

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Speaker 1: they're doing. Yeah. But even um, I agree with you

431
00:20:46,918 --> 00:20:50,078
Speaker 1: just said about John Cook. But you're always open regardless

432
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Speaker 1: with adriree because like for me, for instance, I I

433
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Speaker 1: really champion fundamentals in the way it had been taught

434
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Speaker 1: for years. But while I do that, I'm always open

435
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Speaker 1: hearing new new things, new suggestions, new items. So to me,

436
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Speaker 1: it's it's about morphing together, bringing together the old and

437
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Speaker 1: the new school and just being in school. It's kind

438
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Speaker 1: of where you want to be. Um. So I even

439
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Speaker 1: I would, I would even bet like some of the

440
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Speaker 1: veteran players, they may not admit to it openly, but

441
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Speaker 1: in some ways they might take a look or peak

442
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Speaker 1: a look at a track man and maybe a spin rate.

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Speaker 1: How you know, what was the shape of that shot

444
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Speaker 1: was the velocity ball off clubs. So sometimes you still

445
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Speaker 1: may want to hear that, or not necessarily because it's

446
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Speaker 1: going to change things. Again, it's a reinforcement tool for

447
00:21:33,878 --> 00:21:36,958
Speaker 1: me if I'm totally screwed up. Yeah, I might. I

448
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Speaker 1: might need some of that. I might need some of

449
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Speaker 1: the very very slow motion stuff to help my mind

450
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Speaker 1: understand exactly where I've gone a little bit awry. But

451
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Speaker 1: I I My point is, I think it's wise to

452
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Speaker 1: utilize everything and not just say I'm old school and

453
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Speaker 1: I totally don't want to uh listen to anything new.

454
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Speaker 1: And for the for that group that's coming along right now,

455
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Speaker 1: to to to really disregard fundamentals and experience and feel

456
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Speaker 1: of people that have come before you, I think missing

457
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Speaker 1: a great resource. Also, Yeah, I agree, there's definitely a

458
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Speaker 1: happy medium. I think, um for sure, and you're you're right,

459
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Speaker 1: And and now even the guys that may not want

460
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Speaker 1: all the information or the old school guys, like everyone's

461
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Speaker 1: got all the best players in the world have a

462
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Speaker 1: pretty good team, you know, so it might be like

463
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Speaker 1: the agent or the manager's job right to kind of

464
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Speaker 1: get out of all that information. And like John Wood

465
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Speaker 1: was saying, the caddy is a huge part of that

466
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Speaker 1: as well. So I think I think my favorite way

467
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Speaker 1: to do it would be like the caddy and and

468
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Speaker 1: the manager kind of take all the information right and

469
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Speaker 1: have a talk with the coach and the player and

470
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Speaker 1: then the player doesn't have to get too into it

471
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Speaker 1: where where it's you know, they're they're thinking outside of

472
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Speaker 1: how they normally do it. And um, the best cardies

473
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Speaker 1: in the world, you know, can take all that information

474
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Speaker 1: and without the player even knowing, Okay, we're gonna hit

475
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Speaker 1: this far and fourteen feet right because that's what the

476
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Speaker 1: numbers say we should do. And you know, the players

477
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Speaker 1: just listen to him and he's saying, Okay, you see

478
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Speaker 1: that guy with the red hat, We're going to aim

479
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Speaker 1: at him. And you know, so that's why the Collies

480
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Speaker 1: are so important. They can take all that information and

481
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Speaker 1: and and do it the right way and the players

482
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Speaker 1: just kind of hitting the shot and committing to it. Hey, Brett,

483
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Speaker 1: can we talk about your family's baseball connection? Absolutely? Yeah,

484
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Speaker 1: gone back, of course, your grandfather, George. He covered the

485
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Speaker 1: Dodgers through a lot of years, the prime of Sandy

486
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Speaker 1: Kofax's career, and then became an executive with the Angels.

487
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Speaker 1: And Ross Newhan once had a note about George letter

488
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Speaker 1: called him Anaheim's answer to Bill Veck. He was quite

489
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Speaker 1: the promoter back in the day the Angels weren't drawing

490
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Speaker 1: too well, And specifically, I remember the story in nineteen

491
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Speaker 1: Brett when Um he brought into people from Rockwell International,

492
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Speaker 1: the military space company, and had them rig up a

493
00:23:50,238 --> 00:23:53,318
Speaker 1: measuring device to measure Nolan Ryan's fastball, and he had

494
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Speaker 1: the fans show up and guess what the top velocity

495
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Speaker 1: would be that night, and they did pack the joint.

496
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Speaker 1: That night became a famous night where Nolan Ryan was

497
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Speaker 1: clocked as hardest pitch was actually in the ninth inning

498
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Speaker 1: of a game in which he threw up more than

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Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty pitches. It was one hundred point

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Speaker 1: eight miles per hour, and a lot of people think

501
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Speaker 1: they were actually measuring the ball closer to home plate

502
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Speaker 1: than actual out of the hand, so it was probably

503
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Speaker 1: much higher than that. But yeah, give me an idea

504
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Speaker 1: when Brett, I'm sure you've heard all those stories about

505
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Speaker 1: him and and um your connection to baseball, the family's connection,

506
00:24:24,998 --> 00:24:28,038
Speaker 1: how important that was for you growing up. Yeah, definitely

507
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Speaker 1: a big baseball family, starting with my grandpa George. He

508
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Speaker 1: passed away before I was born, but my dad and

509
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Speaker 1: my uncle's have have told me all the stories and

510
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Speaker 1: they're just huge huge baseball guys. So they're gonna be

511
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Speaker 1: jealous I get to hang out with you too, and

512
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Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm the golfer guy. But somehow they're

513
00:24:46,078 --> 00:24:47,558
Speaker 1: gonna be like, how did this guy get to hang

514
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Speaker 1: out with you guys? But yeah, the during Sandy Kofax.

515
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Speaker 1: So Sandy Kofax obviously, Um, My my dad was a big,

516
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Speaker 1: big guy and he was a picture. Um he played

517
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Speaker 1: a little bit after after high school and in college

518
00:25:01,838 --> 00:25:05,478
Speaker 1: and stuff. But same shoes that some Sandy used to

519
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Speaker 1: give his cleats to my grandpa and my dad would

520
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Speaker 1: wear them. Um, they're you know, left handed pitchers. So

521
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Speaker 1: I think my dad has like one filling Sandy Kofax's

522
00:25:16,358 --> 00:25:21,478
Speaker 1: shoes literally literally, yeah, exactly. So Um, and then they

523
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Speaker 1: got some Nolan Ryan stuff too, from when he was

524
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Speaker 1: on the Angels. Um, so a bunch of Sandy Kofax

525
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Speaker 1: and Nolan Ryan stuff when I was growing up. That's

526
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Speaker 1: so cool. So give me an idea. As long as

527
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Speaker 1: we're talking about baseball and golf here, Um, we haven't

528
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Speaker 1: heard your scattering report on your latest client here, Joe Madden. Uh,

529
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Speaker 1: we hear a lot about baseball swings. Maybe that's not

530
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Speaker 1: good for golf, So break him down for us, kind, buddy,

531
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Speaker 1: be kind. Yeah no, later on, later on, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No,

532
00:25:51,358 --> 00:25:53,558
Speaker 1: he's got no excuses. Now he's got all his new

533
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Speaker 1: clubs and he's hitting his driver too sixty and he's

534
00:25:56,918 --> 00:25:59,718
Speaker 1: got this uh, got this new seven when he's hitting

535
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Speaker 1: two hundred yards up in the air. So there's no

536
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Speaker 1: reason why he can't be shooting underpar. So new clubs

537
00:26:06,398 --> 00:26:10,558
Speaker 1: and he hits it plenty far and so no no excuses,

538
00:26:10,598 --> 00:26:13,158
Speaker 1: and I think we've got some under par scores coming soon.

539
00:26:13,758 --> 00:26:18,078
Speaker 1: It's it's all about accuracy. You can't snap that anymore.

540
00:26:18,478 --> 00:26:21,638
Speaker 1: You've been right here. It's all about accuracy. I've been

541
00:26:21,638 --> 00:26:23,558
Speaker 1: making a lot better contact. He helped me a lot,

542
00:26:23,598 --> 00:26:26,758
Speaker 1: but gosh, it's just my setup. Bred. I still I

543
00:26:26,798 --> 00:26:28,678
Speaker 1: still got to get set up. I know we did

544
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Speaker 1: the thing with the front foot open step back a

545
00:26:30,678 --> 00:26:32,918
Speaker 1: little bit, but I've been just off to the right

546
00:26:33,038 --> 00:26:35,078
Speaker 1: a little bit with my irons. I got to get

547
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Speaker 1: him back on task. But the overall contact has been

548
00:26:37,798 --> 00:26:40,238
Speaker 1: a whole lot better. Absolutely. Yeah. We had a fun

549
00:26:40,318 --> 00:26:43,078
Speaker 1: day out there, and we used the track Man with Joe,

550
00:26:43,078 --> 00:26:46,198
Speaker 1: which is one of the probably that the most used

551
00:26:47,198 --> 00:26:49,478
Speaker 1: tool that all the PGA Tour guys are using it

552
00:26:49,518 --> 00:26:52,318
Speaker 1: and it does everything. There's it has so much information

553
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Speaker 1: and most of the guys are guys at least, and

554
00:26:55,398 --> 00:26:57,478
Speaker 1: I think most of the PGA Tour players use it

555
00:26:57,518 --> 00:27:00,238
Speaker 1: mostly for distance, and that's what Um, Joe and I

556
00:27:00,278 --> 00:27:02,118
Speaker 1: mostly used it for it, and it's a great tool

557
00:27:02,118 --> 00:27:04,518
Speaker 1: for that. You know, the carry distance, that told all distance,

558
00:27:04,558 --> 00:27:07,598
Speaker 1: the height that spin and um. A perfect example is

559
00:27:07,838 --> 00:27:10,358
Speaker 1: Joe just got new clubs. So when you're getting new clubs,

560
00:27:10,358 --> 00:27:11,918
Speaker 1: you want to figure out how far it goes. And

561
00:27:11,958 --> 00:27:14,238
Speaker 1: so you're not you're not guessing, it's telling you exactly

562
00:27:14,278 --> 00:27:16,198
Speaker 1: how far it's going. So, yeah, we had a fun

563
00:27:16,278 --> 00:27:17,878
Speaker 1: day out there and he was doing good. He can

564
00:27:17,958 --> 00:27:20,718
Speaker 1: move it. Wow. You know, hey, listen, I don't know

565
00:27:20,758 --> 00:27:22,518
Speaker 1: if you got him on the force plates or not,

566
00:27:22,638 --> 00:27:25,918
Speaker 1: but I see them around baseball now. I mean, you

567
00:27:25,998 --> 00:27:28,878
Speaker 1: talk about hitting in baseball, probably true in golf is

568
00:27:28,918 --> 00:27:31,438
Speaker 1: done from the ground up. Give me an idea of

569
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Speaker 1: what what force plates have done from an instructional point

570
00:27:34,278 --> 00:27:37,918
Speaker 1: of view, Britt, Yeah, it's I mean, it's crazy, Um,

571
00:27:38,518 --> 00:27:40,958
Speaker 1: the stuff they're measuring now, even you know, like how

572
00:27:41,358 --> 00:27:43,998
Speaker 1: much weight I was on the left foot versus the

573
00:27:44,078 --> 00:27:45,958
Speaker 1: right foot and address and you know a lot of

574
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Speaker 1: guys you know, actually there's a slight pressure shift to

575
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Speaker 1: the left for righty on on the way back, and

576
00:27:51,718 --> 00:27:53,798
Speaker 1: then you know it gets loaded into the right foot

577
00:27:53,838 --> 00:27:57,118
Speaker 1: and um that the map like the way the way

578
00:27:57,158 --> 00:27:59,718
Speaker 1: that it shows you where the pressure is, you know,

579
00:27:59,758 --> 00:28:02,478
Speaker 1: not just left or right, but you know he'll toe

580
00:28:02,598 --> 00:28:06,718
Speaker 1: inside outside the whole foot, um so. And and that's

581
00:28:06,878 --> 00:28:10,638
Speaker 1: that's gotten very popular, especially with the whole distancing right, Like,

582
00:28:10,678 --> 00:28:13,678
Speaker 1: the better you already be able to use the ground,

583
00:28:13,998 --> 00:28:16,478
Speaker 1: um and the more energy you're getting in off the ground,

584
00:28:16,958 --> 00:28:19,558
Speaker 1: you know, the more speed you're gonna be able to generate.

585
00:28:19,638 --> 00:28:22,278
Speaker 1: And that's obviously you know, it's kind of you know,

586
00:28:22,318 --> 00:28:23,878
Speaker 1: they have it all figured out. Now. If you can

587
00:28:23,918 --> 00:28:25,678
Speaker 1: hit it ten yards farther, you know, it's like a

588
00:28:26,318 --> 00:28:30,158
Speaker 1: shot around, you know, on average. So the force plates

589
00:28:30,238 --> 00:28:32,518
Speaker 1: enabling you to use the ground and get more speed,

590
00:28:32,558 --> 00:28:35,878
Speaker 1: you're you're at the highest level with all that money online.

591
00:28:35,958 --> 00:28:38,958
Speaker 1: It's it's a useful tool for sure, Joe, have you

592
00:28:38,998 --> 00:28:41,038
Speaker 1: taken advantage of then, not just because we gotta do,

593
00:28:41,078 --> 00:28:42,718
Speaker 1: Because that's what he was trying to get across to me.

594
00:28:42,758 --> 00:28:45,358
Speaker 1: You know, get away from my shoulders primarily when I

595
00:28:45,398 --> 00:28:47,438
Speaker 1: come over the top. It's all shoulders that really got

596
00:28:47,438 --> 00:28:50,118
Speaker 1: to get the bottom half involved better and my finish

597
00:28:50,278 --> 00:28:52,398
Speaker 1: it really did that. I was focusing on the finish

598
00:28:52,918 --> 00:28:55,638
Speaker 1: so much better when I really get to that particular

599
00:28:55,638 --> 00:28:58,358
Speaker 1: position and don't over the top. I want to just

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Speaker 1: shoot myself. I mean it's I hate over the top.

601
00:29:01,198 --> 00:29:03,638
Speaker 1: I hate off the toe. I hate the hard hook,

602
00:29:04,158 --> 00:29:06,118
Speaker 1: and that's the next thing. It's getting rid of that

603
00:29:06,198 --> 00:29:08,798
Speaker 1: for me. And it's my the way I finished the

604
00:29:08,798 --> 00:29:11,198
Speaker 1: swing and utilizing the ground, just like he's talking about

605
00:29:11,238 --> 00:29:13,318
Speaker 1: those those that's my focus right now. So when we

606
00:29:13,358 --> 00:29:15,438
Speaker 1: get that played out there, but next time in Mount

607
00:29:15,438 --> 00:29:17,878
Speaker 1: Town down in Long Beach, I definitely would like to

608
00:29:17,878 --> 00:29:20,158
Speaker 1: give that a go. Yeah, it was interesting. A lot

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00:29:20,198 --> 00:29:21,798
Speaker 1: of like what we did with you right was like

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Speaker 1: less careful, and we didn't we didn't have the force

611
00:29:24,038 --> 00:29:27,038
Speaker 1: plates with us, so we we didn't we couldn't measure it.

612
00:29:27,158 --> 00:29:30,398
Speaker 1: But like for example, Joe making a way bigger turn

613
00:29:30,478 --> 00:29:31,998
Speaker 1: on the way back and the way he kind of

614
00:29:32,038 --> 00:29:34,238
Speaker 1: set up his lower body to do that that it

615
00:29:34,278 --> 00:29:36,358
Speaker 1: would have changed on the force plates for sure, like

616
00:29:36,398 --> 00:29:39,798
Speaker 1: without changing like like let's add more weight on your

617
00:29:39,878 --> 00:29:41,718
Speaker 1: right foot in the back swing. We didn't say that,

618
00:29:41,758 --> 00:29:44,718
Speaker 1: but he definitely was just by making a bigger turn

619
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Speaker 1: as left slowders working more over to his right side,

620
00:29:47,198 --> 00:29:49,918
Speaker 1: and so there's definitely more more weight shift going on

621
00:29:49,998 --> 00:29:52,078
Speaker 1: now for him, for sure. I'm going right to the

622
00:29:52,118 --> 00:29:53,798
Speaker 1: range after we get done today, by the way, so

623
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Speaker 1: play play, play the more range today. It sounds good. Hey,

624
00:29:58,278 --> 00:30:00,638
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break when we get back. We've

625
00:30:00,638 --> 00:30:11,918
Speaker 1: got more with Rent Letter stick around. Welcome back to

626
00:30:11,958 --> 00:30:14,478
Speaker 1: the Book of Joe podcast and our guests Brett Letter

627
00:30:14,558 --> 00:30:17,798
Speaker 1: or Brett Um. I know, listen, I enjoyed golf as

628
00:30:17,838 --> 00:30:20,078
Speaker 1: much as anybody as well. Question I get asked a

629
00:30:20,118 --> 00:30:23,198
Speaker 1: lot from people who maybe your casual like, what difference

630
00:30:23,198 --> 00:30:26,038
Speaker 1: does the golf ball make? You've been around so long

631
00:30:26,078 --> 00:30:29,198
Speaker 1: and taught so many different people. Explain to people why

632
00:30:29,358 --> 00:30:32,238
Speaker 1: golf balls are not all the same. Yeah, the golf

633
00:30:32,238 --> 00:30:35,398
Speaker 1: ball is a huge deal, um, and they're all they're

634
00:30:35,438 --> 00:30:38,598
Speaker 1: all different a lot of it. The best, especially the

635
00:30:38,598 --> 00:30:40,958
Speaker 1: best players in the world are they get used to

636
00:30:41,038 --> 00:30:44,238
Speaker 1: one right and they they know what it does there

637
00:30:44,798 --> 00:30:47,878
Speaker 1: in this win they can trust that. For example, Um,

638
00:30:47,918 --> 00:30:51,678
Speaker 1: Patrick Cantley is using the two thousand nineteen pro V

639
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Speaker 1: one xs and Tyler's comes out with a new prov

640
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Speaker 1: one um every two years. UM, so like that he

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Speaker 1: skipped the prov one accent and it so and obviously

642
00:31:02,598 --> 00:31:04,718
Speaker 1: right there shouldn't be much a difference, but it's a

643
00:31:04,758 --> 00:31:07,198
Speaker 1: little bit of a difference to the point when he's

644
00:31:07,238 --> 00:31:11,238
Speaker 1: pressing UM out in Long Beach, he's got his golf ball,

645
00:31:11,358 --> 00:31:15,598
Speaker 1: so he doesn't even practice with the probi when I

646
00:31:15,758 --> 00:31:17,558
Speaker 1: just gets it's a little bit different. For example, like

647
00:31:17,598 --> 00:31:20,478
Speaker 1: hit his spins a little less. The two thousand nineteen

648
00:31:20,518 --> 00:31:24,078
Speaker 1: does a few hundred RPMs, which translates he he hits

649
00:31:24,118 --> 00:31:27,358
Speaker 1: that golf ball two or two yards further, probably with

650
00:31:27,398 --> 00:31:32,158
Speaker 1: his irons than uh x um. But yeah, there, it's

651
00:31:32,198 --> 00:31:35,758
Speaker 1: interesting there, you know, summer launching higher, lower, more spin,

652
00:31:36,318 --> 00:31:38,318
Speaker 1: less spin. For for the best guys in the world,

653
00:31:38,318 --> 00:31:42,478
Speaker 1: a lot of it's the feel. Um. You know, they

654
00:31:42,558 --> 00:31:45,398
Speaker 1: might try a new golf ball and hit one put

655
00:31:45,438 --> 00:31:47,398
Speaker 1: with it, and then it's out. It doesn't matter how

656
00:31:47,438 --> 00:31:49,718
Speaker 1: how good it's going to perform. If it if it

657
00:31:49,758 --> 00:31:53,998
Speaker 1: doesn't feel right to them, then then it's out. You know.

658
00:31:54,078 --> 00:31:56,638
Speaker 1: You might try to talk and into our seeing you know,

659
00:31:57,278 --> 00:32:00,398
Speaker 1: club companies or golf ball companies. You no, look how

660
00:32:00,438 --> 00:32:02,638
Speaker 1: good this is. It's flying farther and higher, and the

661
00:32:02,678 --> 00:32:05,398
Speaker 1: spin is perfect and you know, but it doesn't feel right,

662
00:32:05,518 --> 00:32:08,878
Speaker 1: um so, and and it's changed a lot over the years.

663
00:32:08,918 --> 00:32:12,958
Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing the technology, how how fast it's coming

664
00:32:12,958 --> 00:32:15,758
Speaker 1: off with the driver, and how good it is around

665
00:32:15,758 --> 00:32:18,118
Speaker 1: the green still that soft feeling, being able to get

666
00:32:18,158 --> 00:32:20,118
Speaker 1: a lot of spin around the greens. I was. I

667
00:32:20,158 --> 00:32:21,718
Speaker 1: was told to use the bridge Stone ball when I

668
00:32:21,758 --> 00:32:26,118
Speaker 1: went to the paying performance approving grounds. They did everything. Man,

669
00:32:26,158 --> 00:32:29,598
Speaker 1: they they break you down in every possible way, the

670
00:32:29,598 --> 00:32:32,198
Speaker 1: the lie of your club. I'm green with the paying irons,

671
00:32:33,118 --> 00:32:35,238
Speaker 1: the shaft on my driver, and they set me up

672
00:32:35,238 --> 00:32:37,878
Speaker 1: with a new putter, which is a straight shafted putter

673
00:32:37,918 --> 00:32:40,758
Speaker 1: with no kind of angler ben in it. And my god,

674
00:32:40,798 --> 00:32:43,598
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been putting incredibly better just with that

675
00:32:43,678 --> 00:32:47,198
Speaker 1: one particular putter. But like you're talking about, they they

676
00:32:47,198 --> 00:32:49,358
Speaker 1: said I should have a bridgetone I based on my

677
00:32:49,398 --> 00:32:51,518
Speaker 1: swing and swing speed I guess, and everything else. It's

678
00:32:51,558 --> 00:32:54,318
Speaker 1: incredible the way all this is broken. And actually when

679
00:32:54,358 --> 00:32:56,038
Speaker 1: I hit the bridge Stone I could actually draw the

680
00:32:56,038 --> 00:32:58,518
Speaker 1: ball more readily or easily than I can with the titleist.

681
00:32:58,718 --> 00:33:00,718
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I look, they're bigger dimples, but

682
00:33:00,798 --> 00:33:03,718
Speaker 1: all this little stuff I guess, uh it does play

683
00:33:03,758 --> 00:33:05,438
Speaker 1: in then I'm listening. I'm not good enough to worry

684
00:33:05,438 --> 00:33:08,358
Speaker 1: about that, but it's interesting how it's all considered. What's

685
00:33:08,398 --> 00:33:10,638
Speaker 1: interesting just to follow up on that, it's not just

686
00:33:10,918 --> 00:33:13,558
Speaker 1: I mean, Joe, you talked about your your sticks. And

687
00:33:13,718 --> 00:33:16,278
Speaker 1: I'll go back again to the baseball parallel and talk

688
00:33:16,318 --> 00:33:20,758
Speaker 1: to Nolan Arronado, who, after playing in Colorado gets traded

689
00:33:20,758 --> 00:33:23,198
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals. Obviously, it's much more of a pitcher's

690
00:33:23,278 --> 00:33:26,118
Speaker 1: park than than in Denver, and he felt like he

691
00:33:26,118 --> 00:33:28,638
Speaker 1: could hit the ball the same exit vel and it

692
00:33:28,678 --> 00:33:31,438
Speaker 1: wasn't traveling as far in St. Louis makes sense, right,

693
00:33:31,478 --> 00:33:33,598
Speaker 1: So he said, I have to figure out a way

694
00:33:33,718 --> 00:33:37,038
Speaker 1: to get a little higher exit velocity. So what he did,

695
00:33:37,078 --> 00:33:40,278
Speaker 1: and this has really become really very popular around the

696
00:33:40,318 --> 00:33:44,598
Speaker 1: baseball now, is he went to a bat fitting performance center,

697
00:33:44,838 --> 00:33:47,118
Speaker 1: just as you would as Joe did, to find the

698
00:33:47,238 --> 00:33:49,678
Speaker 1: right clubs to hit, and he wound up getting a

699
00:33:49,718 --> 00:33:52,518
Speaker 1: bat that was essentially the same size and weight, but

700
00:33:52,678 --> 00:33:55,558
Speaker 1: this different distribution. It has a like a hockey puck

701
00:33:55,678 --> 00:33:58,278
Speaker 1: style counterweight at the bottom where the knob is. It's

702
00:33:58,278 --> 00:34:00,518
Speaker 1: a huge knob and he felt like he got the

703
00:34:00,558 --> 00:34:05,278
Speaker 1: bat through the zone faster. Um. That has really taken

704
00:34:05,318 --> 00:34:08,638
Speaker 1: root in baseball as well. Again, another parallel between golf

705
00:34:09,118 --> 00:34:12,598
Speaker 1: and baseball. So, Brent, when I mentioned the golf ball,

706
00:34:13,118 --> 00:34:16,278
Speaker 1: I'm sure that it's probably exponentially greater. To make sure

707
00:34:16,278 --> 00:34:18,678
Speaker 1: you have the right set of sticks. Yeah, and they

708
00:34:18,758 --> 00:34:21,558
Speaker 1: definitely go together, right, So you know, you might be

709
00:34:21,638 --> 00:34:24,718
Speaker 1: using this golf ball and it's perfect for you, and

710
00:34:24,718 --> 00:34:27,638
Speaker 1: then you go get a new driver and maybe now

711
00:34:27,678 --> 00:34:30,518
Speaker 1: you gotta get a new golf ball as well. Um,

712
00:34:31,798 --> 00:34:34,518
Speaker 1: different spin right to a big part of it, especially

713
00:34:35,118 --> 00:34:37,918
Speaker 1: um with the driver. So basically, you know, the higher

714
00:34:38,398 --> 00:34:42,598
Speaker 1: you launch it that for distance purposes, the the less

715
00:34:42,638 --> 00:34:46,318
Speaker 1: spin you're gonna have. So um, the less spin you want. Sorry,

716
00:34:46,438 --> 00:34:48,838
Speaker 1: the higher you launch it, the less spin you want. Um.

717
00:34:48,918 --> 00:34:51,118
Speaker 1: That's kind of thing that everyone's trying now is like

718
00:34:51,158 --> 00:34:53,918
Speaker 1: that that high launch, low spin. Someone that likes to

719
00:34:53,998 --> 00:34:56,318
Speaker 1: see it lower. You know, maybe they're gonna launch it

720
00:34:56,358 --> 00:34:58,718
Speaker 1: at ten degrees instead of thirteen degrees with the driver

721
00:34:58,878 --> 00:35:01,798
Speaker 1: that that person is going to need more spin and

722
00:35:01,838 --> 00:35:03,558
Speaker 1: you know, right, and it kind of goes back to

723
00:35:04,038 --> 00:35:06,718
Speaker 1: telling them what's better. Wrong. You know, some of the

724
00:35:06,718 --> 00:35:08,398
Speaker 1: best players in the world like to see it come

725
00:35:08,398 --> 00:35:11,398
Speaker 1: out lower, so they they're probably going to be more

726
00:35:11,478 --> 00:35:13,878
Speaker 1: likely to use a golf ball that spins more because

727
00:35:13,878 --> 00:35:16,358
Speaker 1: they like to see that lower trajectory. But but you're

728
00:35:16,398 --> 00:35:20,478
Speaker 1: totally right. Getting everything dialed in and and having the

729
00:35:20,518 --> 00:35:23,678
Speaker 1: golf ball work with the golf clubs and especially the

730
00:35:23,798 --> 00:35:27,878
Speaker 1: driver is super important. Why are the ladies so accurate

731
00:35:27,918 --> 00:35:30,398
Speaker 1: with the irons? I watched them on TV. They never

732
00:35:30,438 --> 00:35:33,638
Speaker 1: miss a green man, they never missed a green and regulation.

733
00:35:34,118 --> 00:35:37,078
Speaker 1: Oh you're right. Um, I'm not sure I know why

734
00:35:37,118 --> 00:35:39,158
Speaker 1: they are, but I agree with you. They hit it

735
00:35:39,318 --> 00:35:42,718
Speaker 1: so good. They don't miss very many fairways, and from

736
00:35:42,718 --> 00:35:47,158
Speaker 1: a repetition standpoint, it's impressive. Um. In general, they don't

737
00:35:47,198 --> 00:35:49,838
Speaker 1: curve it very much. They tend to hit it pretty straight,

738
00:35:49,878 --> 00:35:52,478
Speaker 1: and it's like watching iron Byron out there on the range.

739
00:35:52,518 --> 00:35:54,158
Speaker 1: But when you got some of the best ladies in

740
00:35:54,158 --> 00:35:57,478
Speaker 1: the world, it's it's as repetitive as any of the

741
00:35:57,478 --> 00:36:00,638
Speaker 1: best guys I've seen. And that the Ladies Tour has

742
00:36:00,678 --> 00:36:02,518
Speaker 1: gotten a lot better and it's been fun to watch.

743
00:36:02,678 --> 00:36:05,558
Speaker 1: I'm super happy for the them and um, their their

744
00:36:05,598 --> 00:36:09,038
Speaker 1: schedules are better, their purses are better, and uh, it's

745
00:36:09,078 --> 00:36:10,678
Speaker 1: gonna I think it's gonna be a good couple of

746
00:36:10,758 --> 00:36:13,358
Speaker 1: years for the LPGA tour. The thing I see and

747
00:36:13,958 --> 00:36:17,318
Speaker 1: quickly is that effort level seems to be non existent.

748
00:36:17,358 --> 00:36:19,878
Speaker 1: They're so casual with their swing in a sense, and

749
00:36:19,918 --> 00:36:22,558
Speaker 1: their tempo is incredible. Joe, I was just about to

750
00:36:22,558 --> 00:36:25,078
Speaker 1: say the same thing to my untrained eye. It's all

751
00:36:25,118 --> 00:36:29,078
Speaker 1: about tempo. It's just very rhythmatic. Nobody is too fast,

752
00:36:29,118 --> 00:36:32,318
Speaker 1: and obviously you know the court as well. They have

753
00:36:32,438 --> 00:36:34,998
Speaker 1: what to me looks like very long swings. But the

754
00:36:35,038 --> 00:36:38,718
Speaker 1: tempo is just beautiful. It's really really impressive to watch

755
00:36:38,798 --> 00:36:41,798
Speaker 1: them up close. Hey, Joe, now it's time for our segment.

756
00:36:41,958 --> 00:36:45,998
Speaker 1: It is a reading from the Book of Joe Brett.

757
00:36:46,038 --> 00:36:47,758
Speaker 1: When we get a guest on here, we like to

758
00:36:47,758 --> 00:36:49,798
Speaker 1: say that you can pick any page in our book,

759
00:36:49,838 --> 00:36:52,798
Speaker 1: you'll find something that's interesting. And so to put that

760
00:36:52,838 --> 00:36:54,838
Speaker 1: to the test, we have our guests to pick a

761
00:36:54,958 --> 00:36:57,678
Speaker 1: random number between one and three, dred and sixty eight

762
00:36:57,798 --> 00:36:59,918
Speaker 1: and we'll dive in and see what's on that page.

763
00:37:00,038 --> 00:37:03,278
Speaker 1: So you're on the tea box Brett, it's your call

764
00:37:03,398 --> 00:37:08,278
Speaker 1: giving me number any number eighty four. I don't think

765
00:37:08,318 --> 00:37:10,478
Speaker 1: you want to eighty four in your scorecard, Joe. You

766
00:37:10,478 --> 00:37:12,958
Speaker 1: want to do better than that. So but I guess

767
00:37:13,238 --> 00:37:16,078
Speaker 1: that's that's three trips to the bunkers. That's fairway bunk

768
00:37:19,038 --> 00:37:21,918
Speaker 1: Any reason why you picked that number, just that's kind

769
00:37:21,918 --> 00:37:24,198
Speaker 1: of my go to just that year I was born in.

770
00:37:24,318 --> 00:37:28,918
Speaker 1: So now you know all my all my past codes. Uh.

771
00:37:28,958 --> 00:37:31,718
Speaker 1: This is Joe looking back on Game seven of the

772
00:37:32,118 --> 00:37:34,878
Speaker 1: sixteen World Series and how you you kind of go

773
00:37:34,958 --> 00:37:38,158
Speaker 1: in with a plan, and it doesn't mean you have

774
00:37:38,198 --> 00:37:39,918
Speaker 1: to be wedded to it, but you start out with

775
00:37:39,958 --> 00:37:42,838
Speaker 1: a plan and let the game dictate where you want

776
00:37:42,838 --> 00:37:46,278
Speaker 1: to go. So this is basically about your bullpen usage

777
00:37:46,358 --> 00:37:49,958
Speaker 1: Joe in Game seven. Again, before the game, you know

778
00:37:50,038 --> 00:37:53,478
Speaker 1: there are all these numbers created, matrix numbers, whatever. And

779
00:37:53,518 --> 00:37:55,438
Speaker 1: of course, when you don't know your guy or you

780
00:37:55,438 --> 00:37:58,438
Speaker 1: don't know the guy you're facing, sometimes these do become

781
00:37:58,478 --> 00:38:01,918
Speaker 1: more important. But if you know your guy and you've

782
00:38:01,918 --> 00:38:05,038
Speaker 1: seen this other team often enough, easily could make your

783
00:38:05,078 --> 00:38:08,198
Speaker 1: decisions pregame and during the game based on what you've

784
00:38:08,238 --> 00:38:11,158
Speaker 1: been seeing. Void of any of the kind of this information.

785
00:38:11,718 --> 00:38:14,478
Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter at that point. I know what

786
00:38:14,558 --> 00:38:17,158
Speaker 1: I know, I know what I see, I know who

787
00:38:17,238 --> 00:38:20,198
Speaker 1: my picture is right now, I know what that hitter

788
00:38:20,318 --> 00:38:22,758
Speaker 1: is like. I know what he's been like more recently

789
00:38:22,798 --> 00:38:27,118
Speaker 1: because I've researched that. So you then make the decision. Now,

790
00:38:27,158 --> 00:38:30,198
Speaker 1: to me, that's gut. That is not analytics. It's just

791
00:38:30,278 --> 00:38:33,638
Speaker 1: based on information. That's normal stuff that's been going on

792
00:38:33,798 --> 00:38:36,558
Speaker 1: for the last how many years, I don't know, forever.

793
00:38:37,158 --> 00:38:39,758
Speaker 1: Managers have been making these kind of decisions based on

794
00:38:39,798 --> 00:38:43,438
Speaker 1: that forever. And that's the bullpen. How about that bread

795
00:38:43,478 --> 00:38:46,678
Speaker 1: that sounds like John Cook wrote that, Yeah exactly. Yeah,

796
00:38:46,718 --> 00:38:49,558
Speaker 1: and you guys, I started the book. I haven't finished it, yeah,

797
00:38:49,558 --> 00:38:51,758
Speaker 1: but I've really enjoyed it so far. You guys have

798
00:38:51,838 --> 00:38:53,878
Speaker 1: done a great job with it. It's a it's a

799
00:38:53,918 --> 00:38:56,678
Speaker 1: good read for sure, Thanks buddy. Yeah, I mean that's

800
00:38:56,878 --> 00:38:59,958
Speaker 1: the bullpen part of it. Um, And it's it's kind

801
00:38:59,958 --> 00:39:01,918
Speaker 1: of cool to be compared to John Cook. I agree.

802
00:39:02,478 --> 00:39:06,198
Speaker 1: There's I've talked about feel being the gift of experience.

803
00:39:06,598 --> 00:39:08,598
Speaker 1: You have to go through so many hours of doing

804
00:39:08,638 --> 00:39:12,078
Speaker 1: something to be able to I think comfortably say or

805
00:39:12,078 --> 00:39:14,278
Speaker 1: say with confidence. I felt that or I feel that

806
00:39:14,478 --> 00:39:16,398
Speaker 1: it's something I saw, so I went with it was

807
00:39:16,438 --> 00:39:18,758
Speaker 1: my gut. If you haven't put in the time, if

808
00:39:18,758 --> 00:39:22,638
Speaker 1: you haven't earned the right to say, I I felt it. Um,

809
00:39:22,678 --> 00:39:25,518
Speaker 1: I really believe that. So for me, I believe I've

810
00:39:25,518 --> 00:39:26,998
Speaker 1: earned the right to do. I know I have, and

811
00:39:27,278 --> 00:39:29,838
Speaker 1: the hours have been put in, the different situations have

812
00:39:29,878 --> 00:39:32,958
Speaker 1: been recognized, the different conversations have been had, So I

813
00:39:33,398 --> 00:39:35,678
Speaker 1: get it. And that's what I'm saying earlier. I think

814
00:39:36,038 --> 00:39:40,278
Speaker 1: the combination of old school news school being in school,

815
00:39:40,518 --> 00:39:43,278
Speaker 1: you try to combine everything at your disposal and try

816
00:39:43,318 --> 00:39:45,918
Speaker 1: to then make come to the right conclusions or make

817
00:39:45,918 --> 00:39:48,678
Speaker 1: the best decisions. Yeah. Yeah, you talk a lot about

818
00:39:48,798 --> 00:39:51,678
Speaker 1: feel in the book, and I totally agree. I'm always

819
00:39:51,678 --> 00:39:54,478
Speaker 1: asking the player, you know, even on the range good

820
00:39:54,558 --> 00:39:56,118
Speaker 1: or bad, what does that feel like? What does that

821
00:39:56,238 --> 00:39:58,918
Speaker 1: feel like? And and I think, you know, even if

822
00:39:58,958 --> 00:40:01,758
Speaker 1: you're trying to make a mechanical change, you know, and

823
00:40:01,798 --> 00:40:04,318
Speaker 1: there it's got a it's got a it's got to

824
00:40:04,318 --> 00:40:06,198
Speaker 1: be a feel. You know, you've got it's gotta they've

825
00:40:06,198 --> 00:40:09,318
Speaker 1: gotta feel something. And and we're always trying to you know,

826
00:40:09,358 --> 00:40:12,118
Speaker 1: what what are we gonna feel in order to get

827
00:40:12,118 --> 00:40:14,358
Speaker 1: this where we want it right on, Joe, Doesn't that

828
00:40:14,398 --> 00:40:16,158
Speaker 1: always go back to what you say too as a

829
00:40:16,198 --> 00:40:18,438
Speaker 1: hitting instructor. Once that player comes back to you and

830
00:40:18,518 --> 00:40:21,798
Speaker 1: says I feel it, yeah, then you know you've arrived

831
00:40:21,798 --> 00:40:24,638
Speaker 1: at something. Yeah. That with my my litmus test there

832
00:40:24,758 --> 00:40:26,998
Speaker 1: was you know, you're you're observing, you're standing off to

833
00:40:27,038 --> 00:40:29,198
Speaker 1: the side always well I always try to watch from

834
00:40:29,238 --> 00:40:32,278
Speaker 1: the open side, and you're trying to get a point across,

835
00:40:32,278 --> 00:40:34,678
Speaker 1: get a point across, and all of a sudden he says,

836
00:40:34,798 --> 00:40:37,318
Speaker 1: I felt it. And if he says that at the

837
00:40:37,318 --> 00:40:39,798
Speaker 1: time when you're observing, he's doing the right thing. Now

838
00:40:39,878 --> 00:40:41,838
Speaker 1: you have something. So if he's saying to you, I

839
00:40:41,878 --> 00:40:44,398
Speaker 1: feel something. I felt that, you you see that it's

840
00:40:44,438 --> 00:40:47,118
Speaker 1: not necessarily right or correct, as you just know from

841
00:40:47,158 --> 00:40:49,838
Speaker 1: the years of experience. You you take that and then

842
00:40:49,878 --> 00:40:51,678
Speaker 1: you still try to work with But when you get

843
00:40:51,958 --> 00:40:54,598
Speaker 1: I felt it, and the observation is like, right on,

844
00:40:55,038 --> 00:40:58,278
Speaker 1: now you've gotten something, You've gotten somewhere, and now this

845
00:40:58,318 --> 00:41:01,438
Speaker 1: guy's really making some progress at that point. Yeah, exactly.

846
00:41:01,718 --> 00:41:04,958
Speaker 1: Sometimes I get most excited about a miss they might

847
00:41:04,998 --> 00:41:07,638
Speaker 1: have over and over and we're trying to figure it out,

848
00:41:07,678 --> 00:41:10,318
Speaker 1: and then finally they kind of leave one out to

849
00:41:10,358 --> 00:41:11,958
Speaker 1: the right or whatever it might be, and there like, oh,

850
00:41:11,998 --> 00:41:14,278
Speaker 1: I felt that, Like I felt what we're talking about,

851
00:41:14,358 --> 00:41:16,838
Speaker 1: and it's like boom now now now we're onto it.

852
00:41:18,678 --> 00:41:21,358
Speaker 1: Lest thing for me, brother, this is kind of literally

853
00:41:21,358 --> 00:41:24,958
Speaker 1: out of left field. You're a left handed golfer. Obviously

854
00:41:24,998 --> 00:41:26,558
Speaker 1: most of the people you work with are going to

855
00:41:26,598 --> 00:41:30,838
Speaker 1: be right handed. Is that an advantage, mirror image disadvantage

856
00:41:30,918 --> 00:41:34,438
Speaker 1: or no factor at all. It's probably close to no

857
00:41:34,598 --> 00:41:36,798
Speaker 1: factor at all. I'd say, if anything, it's an advantage.

858
00:41:36,798 --> 00:41:39,278
Speaker 1: I kind of like standing in front and doing the

859
00:41:39,718 --> 00:41:42,158
Speaker 1: mirror image thing. Especially a short game. It's kind of

860
00:41:42,238 --> 00:41:44,718
Speaker 1: nice just to you know, left handed right handed, you're

861
00:41:44,758 --> 00:41:46,558
Speaker 1: kind of there's five balls on the ground and you

862
00:41:46,558 --> 00:41:49,278
Speaker 1: can kind of face each other versus when I when

863
00:41:49,278 --> 00:41:52,238
Speaker 1: I'm teaching another lefty right it's a little a little

864
00:41:52,238 --> 00:41:57,718
Speaker 1: more awkward. Um, but I'd say it doesn't really matter.

865
00:41:57,758 --> 00:42:00,638
Speaker 1: But I'm definitely more used to right handers now, you know,

866
00:42:00,638 --> 00:42:03,078
Speaker 1: So if you're talking about you know, I should probably

867
00:42:03,118 --> 00:42:05,798
Speaker 1: say lead on and more instead of you know, left arm.

868
00:42:05,798 --> 00:42:09,198
Speaker 1: I catched myself sometimes with a lefty. If if we're

869
00:42:09,478 --> 00:42:12,038
Speaker 1: getting a lead arm field, I might say like left

870
00:42:12,118 --> 00:42:13,718
Speaker 1: arm them. I oh sorry, I meant you know, even

871
00:42:13,718 --> 00:42:16,598
Speaker 1: though I'm lefty, I'm just so used to write is now. Yeah,

872
00:42:16,758 --> 00:42:20,038
Speaker 1: I think the mirror image things works out pretty well. Cool. Well,

873
00:42:20,158 --> 00:42:22,398
Speaker 1: we really enjoyed this, bread. I gotta tell you, I

874
00:42:22,478 --> 00:42:26,038
Speaker 1: learned so much listening to you. Um My biggest takeaway

875
00:42:26,158 --> 00:42:28,438
Speaker 1: probably is that the next time I played golf with Joe,

876
00:42:28,478 --> 00:42:31,238
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to give me more strokes. I hope,

877
00:42:31,278 --> 00:42:35,398
Speaker 1: so yeah, I hope, I hope so too. Thanks again

878
00:42:35,438 --> 00:42:37,918
Speaker 1: for joining us. It's been blast yeah, a blastom big

879
00:42:37,918 --> 00:42:39,878
Speaker 1: fan of both of you, so thank you very much

880
00:42:39,918 --> 00:42:41,918
Speaker 1: and keep up the good work. Brett. We'll see you

881
00:42:41,918 --> 00:42:43,718
Speaker 1: when I get back out there again. Thank you for

882
00:42:43,758 --> 00:42:45,598
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago. My best to all the

883
00:42:45,638 --> 00:42:48,438
Speaker 1: boys there. And uh one of the best kept secrets

884
00:42:48,438 --> 00:42:50,398
Speaker 1: in the West Coast in the city of Long Beaches,

885
00:42:50,478 --> 00:42:54,118
Speaker 1: Virginia country Club. It's a tilling half designed course. It's

886
00:42:54,158 --> 00:42:57,758
Speaker 1: absolutely gorgeous and I love I love hitting out there.

887
00:42:57,798 --> 00:42:59,558
Speaker 1: So see you back. They want to get back in town.

888
00:42:59,758 --> 00:43:02,358
Speaker 1: Absolutely looking forward to it. Thanks buddy, be Well. Brett.

889
00:43:02,358 --> 00:43:05,918
Speaker 1: All right, thanks guys. Well, that was a really interesting

890
00:43:06,078 --> 00:43:09,758
Speaker 1: dive into let's faces. More than golf about teaching, right,

891
00:43:09,998 --> 00:43:12,158
Speaker 1: I just I can't get enough of that. Especially you're

892
00:43:12,158 --> 00:43:13,838
Speaker 1: talking about someone who's worked with some of the better

893
00:43:13,838 --> 00:43:16,678
Speaker 1: golfers in the world, right, I mean, and you get

894
00:43:16,718 --> 00:43:18,998
Speaker 1: out there to hang with them. He's a younger fella,

895
00:43:19,158 --> 00:43:23,918
Speaker 1: full of energy. He does keep things very simple, very positive,

896
00:43:23,958 --> 00:43:26,758
Speaker 1: although very uh straightforward. It was a couple of times

897
00:43:26,798 --> 00:43:28,238
Speaker 1: you had to tell me I stunk the other day,

898
00:43:28,238 --> 00:43:30,638
Speaker 1: which was absolutely accurate, and I love that. I love

899
00:43:30,718 --> 00:43:34,518
Speaker 1: to be told, um, exactly what somebody as an instructor.

900
00:43:34,958 --> 00:43:36,878
Speaker 1: As a pupil, I need to know exactly what the

901
00:43:36,918 --> 00:43:39,038
Speaker 1: instructor is seeing, and he's very good at that. So

902
00:43:39,478 --> 00:43:41,158
Speaker 1: I want to get back out there and see him again.

903
00:43:41,158 --> 00:43:44,198
Speaker 1: Like I said to Virginia Country Club, wow, um, it's

904
00:43:44,198 --> 00:43:46,998
Speaker 1: a tilling half designed very similar to my place in Pennsylvania,

905
00:43:47,038 --> 00:43:51,158
Speaker 1: The Valley Country Club another tilling half course in Sugarlow, Pennsylvania.

906
00:43:51,278 --> 00:43:54,318
Speaker 1: So there are some similarities between the two places, which

907
00:43:54,398 --> 00:43:57,478
Speaker 1: really is also a big draw for me too. Honesty

908
00:43:57,598 --> 00:44:02,278
Speaker 1: without compassion is cruelty. I think I've heard that before. Yeah, exactly,

909
00:44:02,278 --> 00:44:04,318
Speaker 1: But just good, don't worry about me, just just get

910
00:44:04,318 --> 00:44:06,238
Speaker 1: me right between the eyeballs. I could handle it. Hey,

911
00:44:06,238 --> 00:44:09,358
Speaker 1: we didn't even mention. Yeah, if you're into golf fantasy

912
00:44:09,438 --> 00:44:13,118
Speaker 1: leagues on the LPG eight tour, LILYA. Voo he's worked with.

913
00:44:13,478 --> 00:44:15,478
Speaker 1: She was a rookie in twenty nineteen and has such

914
00:44:15,478 --> 00:44:18,038
Speaker 1: a hard time. She only made one cut ninth starts.

915
00:44:18,038 --> 00:44:20,638
Speaker 1: She thought about quitting the game of golf, and now

916
00:44:20,718 --> 00:44:22,998
Speaker 1: she has really come on and she's a name to

917
00:44:23,038 --> 00:44:25,918
Speaker 1: look forward to in three He's very proud of that.

918
00:44:25,958 --> 00:44:27,638
Speaker 1: He was. We were talking about it the other day.

919
00:44:27,638 --> 00:44:29,518
Speaker 1: I think she's like thirty seven thirty eight now in

920
00:44:29,558 --> 00:44:32,678
Speaker 1: the world. Um had a tough start coming out of college.

921
00:44:32,718 --> 00:44:35,558
Speaker 1: I believe I was missing cuts, wasn't playing well. Then

922
00:44:35,598 --> 00:44:38,158
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Um, I did a gig last

923
00:44:38,198 --> 00:44:41,438
Speaker 1: night for Brandon guy are on mental skills in baseball.

924
00:44:41,758 --> 00:44:44,078
Speaker 1: I guess you just Um started to believe that she'd

925
00:44:44,078 --> 00:44:46,118
Speaker 1: belong there, and she was able to breathe in the moment,

926
00:44:46,158 --> 00:44:48,438
Speaker 1: and she started to find her confidence again. And now

927
00:44:49,158 --> 00:44:51,878
Speaker 1: she's definitely on the uptake, and he really, uh, he's

928
00:44:51,958 --> 00:44:54,238
Speaker 1: very strong on her right now and regarding where she's

929
00:44:54,238 --> 00:44:55,558
Speaker 1: at and where she's gonna end up in a in

930
00:44:55,598 --> 00:44:57,718
Speaker 1: a very near future. Yeah, I got a kick out

931
00:44:57,758 --> 00:45:01,398
Speaker 1: of all the comparisons and and parallels between golf and baseball.

932
00:45:01,398 --> 00:45:03,638
Speaker 1: As you know, Joe, when we talked about this, A

933
00:45:03,638 --> 00:45:06,318
Speaker 1: lot of of technologies have come out of the golf

934
00:45:06,358 --> 00:45:08,718
Speaker 1: world and into the baseball world. But doesn't it still

935
00:45:08,758 --> 00:45:12,358
Speaker 1: come down to the power of the teacher. Of course? Um,

936
00:45:12,718 --> 00:45:15,238
Speaker 1: I mean, of course that the overwriting talent is always

937
00:45:15,238 --> 00:45:17,838
Speaker 1: going to be number one, But a really good teacher

938
00:45:17,918 --> 00:45:19,798
Speaker 1: is definitely going to extract the most out of you.

939
00:45:20,518 --> 00:45:23,078
Speaker 1: And um, I could again, I could talk about myself

940
00:45:23,078 --> 00:45:26,798
Speaker 1: on a personal level. You whenever you are being instructed,

941
00:45:26,878 --> 00:45:28,598
Speaker 1: it's got to be simple, it's got to be concise,

942
00:45:28,638 --> 00:45:30,358
Speaker 1: it's gotta make sense. It's got to be something I

943
00:45:30,358 --> 00:45:33,118
Speaker 1: could hold onto and not have to overthink. It cannot

944
00:45:33,158 --> 00:45:36,158
Speaker 1: overburden my mind. Uh, those guys are the best teachers.

945
00:45:36,198 --> 00:45:38,678
Speaker 1: And we talked about visualization. I mean, it's not just

946
00:45:38,758 --> 00:45:43,798
Speaker 1: about mechanics. Everybody wants mechanics. Physical mechanics are the easiest

947
00:45:43,838 --> 00:45:46,958
Speaker 1: part of any sport to teach. The mental mechanics are

948
00:45:46,958 --> 00:45:50,798
Speaker 1: the most difficult. Those are the ones that require redundancy

949
00:45:50,878 --> 00:45:52,878
Speaker 1: and the ones that are gonna wear you out. But

950
00:45:52,918 --> 00:45:55,678
Speaker 1: the ones that are going to make the difference. So uh,

951
00:45:55,718 --> 00:45:57,838
Speaker 1: as a really good instructor, you have to be good,

952
00:45:58,078 --> 00:46:02,438
Speaker 1: be both good physically and mentally regarding how you're going

953
00:46:02,478 --> 00:46:04,678
Speaker 1: to teach mechanics of the game. And for me, the

954
00:46:04,718 --> 00:46:08,838
Speaker 1: overwriting factor the part that really makes you an excellent instructor.

955
00:46:08,958 --> 00:46:12,838
Speaker 1: Instructors to be able to teach the mental mechanics. Also, well, hey,

956
00:46:12,878 --> 00:46:15,638
Speaker 1: we've got an upcoming exciting event you should know about.

957
00:46:15,758 --> 00:46:19,438
Speaker 1: It's the Savannah Book Festival. Joe and I will be

958
00:46:19,518 --> 00:46:22,278
Speaker 1: at the Savannah Book Festival to make our presentation on

959
00:46:22,478 --> 00:46:25,518
Speaker 1: the Book of Joe. You're more than welcome to join.

960
00:46:25,598 --> 00:46:28,838
Speaker 1: It's a huge weekend in Savannah. Many different authors will

961
00:46:28,918 --> 00:46:32,878
Speaker 1: be there talking about their books, doing readings, taking questions.

962
00:46:33,358 --> 00:46:36,278
Speaker 1: It's a great place to listen to not just us,

963
00:46:36,518 --> 00:46:40,358
Speaker 1: but many other authors. So check it out Saturday, February eighteenth,

964
00:46:40,638 --> 00:46:44,198
Speaker 1: in Savannah, Georgia. Looking forward to that, Joe, the same here, Tommy.

965
00:46:44,238 --> 00:46:45,878
Speaker 1: It's going to be quite an experience for me. This

966
00:46:45,958 --> 00:46:47,718
Speaker 1: is something you're kind of used to. This is uh,

967
00:46:48,078 --> 00:46:49,958
Speaker 1: fish out of water for me, but I'm looking forward

968
00:46:49,998 --> 00:46:52,958
Speaker 1: to it. It's a great place to get your book signed.

969
00:46:53,238 --> 00:46:55,758
Speaker 1: We will be signing books at the event, So put

970
00:46:55,798 --> 00:46:58,118
Speaker 1: that on your calendar. A couple of good golf courses nearby,

971
00:46:58,158 --> 00:46:59,798
Speaker 1: from what I understand, so it'd be a good a

972
00:46:59,798 --> 00:47:01,678
Speaker 1: good couple of days. I almost feel like, you know,

973
00:47:01,718 --> 00:47:03,718
Speaker 1: when you have that really good around you're walking off

974
00:47:03,718 --> 00:47:06,238
Speaker 1: that eighteenth grain. Man, that's that's such a good feeling.

975
00:47:06,278 --> 00:47:08,198
Speaker 1: That's the way I feel right now. So on our

976
00:47:08,238 --> 00:47:09,998
Speaker 1: way off the green, you've got something to take us

977
00:47:09,998 --> 00:47:12,558
Speaker 1: out here. I think it applies to UM a bit.

978
00:47:13,358 --> 00:47:16,758
Speaker 1: I follow different people on Twitter. I fall Hemingway stuff

979
00:47:16,758 --> 00:47:18,758
Speaker 1: and I'm Jack hero Act. I picked them up the

980
00:47:18,758 --> 00:47:21,278
Speaker 1: other day and this is like tis fits into everything,

981
00:47:21,758 --> 00:47:24,958
Speaker 1: and it fits into an overarching concept of doing simple better.

982
00:47:24,998 --> 00:47:27,438
Speaker 1: But he wrote, one day I will find the right

983
00:47:27,478 --> 00:47:31,278
Speaker 1: words and they will be simple. Jack Heiro wat wow.

984
00:47:31,398 --> 00:47:35,478
Speaker 1: I mean we all want complicated, convoluted answers. We're not

985
00:47:35,558 --> 00:47:38,398
Speaker 1: even realizing we can't hold on to that. When you're

986
00:47:38,398 --> 00:47:41,038
Speaker 1: competing with things get quick, with things get tough, you

987
00:47:41,078 --> 00:47:43,518
Speaker 1: need simplicity to deal with and you need that one

988
00:47:43,598 --> 00:47:46,678
Speaker 1: nugget back here that that that helps or aid you

989
00:47:46,718 --> 00:47:49,678
Speaker 1: in that very hot moment. So one day I will

990
00:47:49,678 --> 00:47:51,918
Speaker 1: find the right words and they will be simple. Mr

991
00:47:52,038 --> 00:47:54,718
Speaker 1: Kiroac beautiful and beautiful that is that sounds like the

992
00:47:54,758 --> 00:47:57,278
Speaker 1: backbone of teaching. There you go, man, well said, See

993
00:47:57,278 --> 00:48:04,278
Speaker 1: you next time. Joe, I'm straight. Thanks, brother, I shall h.

994
00:48:05,838 --> 00:48:08,198
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