Speaker 1: Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to
Speaker 1: welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher. I am
Speaker 1: your host Ramsey's job. Big shout out to my guy Q.
Speaker 1: Ward was on the other side of the world in Italy.
Speaker 1: Wow right now. Wow, he's living his life to the
Speaker 1: fullest and also impacting the world. So that don't fear
Speaker 1: it's not just a vacation. He is bringing a little
Speaker 1: bit more joy and kindness to this planet as he does.
Speaker 1: But fortunately we have a special guest in studio with
Speaker 1: us today, Jacob Rayford, better known to me at least
Speaker 1: as Rocky Tirade. Now, for those that don't know, my
Speaker 1: background is in hip hop broadcasting, not necessarily social justice
Speaker 1: and so forth. And Rocky as I know him, is
Speaker 1: a longtime contributor to the many shows that I've done
Speaker 1: on the radio. Rocky as an artist but also Rocky
Speaker 1: and Jacob has really leaned into activism, i'd say more
Speaker 1: or less around the same time as Q and I did,
Speaker 1: around twenty twenty. I know you've always been active, as
Speaker 1: have we, but around that time we realized that there
Speaker 1: was a need or rather more from people like us
Speaker 1: and leadership petitions and so today we're going to be
Speaker 1: talking to Rocky about let's be honest about the importance
Speaker 1: of holding office, because that is a space where you
Speaker 1: have been very effective and you've been able to shape
Speaker 1: some outcomes. And then for the second half of the show,
Speaker 1: we're going to discuss some of the outcomes that you've
Speaker 1: helped shape. In particular, there's been a story that has
Speaker 1: made national headlines about, you know, especially in Arizona, about
Speaker 1: people not being able to film the police, and how
Speaker 1: you've been instrumental and pushing back on that and actually
Speaker 1: getting that overturned. So a lot to look forward to
Speaker 1: in today's show. But first and foremost, like we always
Speaker 1: do it, this time, let's get into some Ebony excellence.
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Speaker 1: this in honor of all of my skiwee's out there
Speaker 1: across the country. So the Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority has
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Speaker 1: or FMO credit union is the first black owned woman
Speaker 1: led sorority based digital banking financial institution in the history
Speaker 1: of the United States. The Akas are one of America's
Speaker 1: oldest service organizations founded by college educated African American women,
Speaker 1: with nearly half a million members worldwide. Everyone quote, everyone
Speaker 1: doesn't understand the impact we make financially, so you have
Speaker 1: to start doing things so folks know we know how
Speaker 1: to control our money, said Dennette Anthony Reid, International President
Speaker 1: and of the AKA Sorority. FMO's grand opening at the
Speaker 1: group's international headquarters in Chicago coincided with the one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifteen year old Sororities Leadership Conference. The FMO is chartered, regulated,
Speaker 1: and insured by the National Credit Union Administration. In other words,
Speaker 1: it's official and while for primary savings, loans, and other
Speaker 1: banking services during its first year of operations, it's open
Speaker 1: to AKA members, their immediate families, AKA staff, and credit
Speaker 1: union employees. I have another quote for you. Every member
Speaker 1: will be an owner of the credit union, said Terry
Speaker 1: Bradford Easen, FMO Federal Credit Union Executive Director. The first
Speaker 1: of its kind credit union is based in part on
Speaker 1: the sorority six initiatives, which include building economic wealth plans
Speaker 1: for the Credit Union began a few years ago with
Speaker 1: the idea to create economic health and financial stability for
Speaker 1: women of color. So again, shout out to the Skiwe's.
Speaker 1: Shout out to doctor Westernberg. She's the main ski wie
Speaker 1: in my life. Oh maybe Dodor Westerburg and big shout out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so really proud of you all. All right, onto my guest. Now,
Speaker 1: I did my best to kind of give you a
Speaker 1: bit of an introduction, but I know that there's a
Speaker 1: lot more to it, and so, uh for everyone listening,
Speaker 1: I would like to go through this line by line. Sure,
Speaker 1: but before I get there, let let's talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about, uh, who you were and and sort of
Speaker 1: what led you to being more of an activist. I
Speaker 1: kind of give a quick and dirty version of serve.
Speaker 1: But I think it's important for our listeners to.
Speaker 2: Know that I mean artist, yeah right, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: being MC artists, you know, performer.
Speaker 1: It's just hip hop has been part of my life.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm preaching to the choir like
Speaker 2: you and body hip hop in multiple ways. I mean
Speaker 2: both in terms of your contribution, in terms of your
Speaker 2: family's contribution. Like it's just what we are so you know,
Speaker 2: I've been you know, part of you know, the hip
Speaker 2: hop realm for some time, doing my best to represent Phoenix,
Speaker 2: Arizona on my travels both you know, regionally, nationally internationally,
Speaker 2: you know, regarded as someone who's nice with the pen,
Speaker 2: who's able to put together some complex lyricism and things
Speaker 2: of that nature. And because of my own individual perspectives,
Speaker 2: there's always been things that I incorporated into like my
Speaker 2: art that has been I guess considered to be socially
Speaker 2: conscious and things that that nature challenging, challenging series, totally
Speaker 2: unintentional stuff. But you know, because of that, I've been
Speaker 2: pulled into specific areas.
Speaker 1: And you know.
Speaker 2: That led to me being a part of various social
Speaker 2: justice movements since the early twenty tens, going back as
Speaker 2: far as Occupy Wall Street times we had occupied Phoenix,
Speaker 2: and you know, the various unfortunate issues that would occur
Speaker 2: over the over the following years when it comes to
Speaker 2: police brutality and you know, one of the many faces
Speaker 2: that would show up in those spaces and whatnot. But really,
Speaker 2: at that time I was moving solely strictly as as
Speaker 2: an MC, as an artist and doing everything from knocking
Speaker 2: at your wake up shows to you know, putting out
Speaker 2: to you know, wreckers with green lantern and all sorts
Speaker 2: of things. And you know, life ended up pulling me
Speaker 2: in a different direction while you know, still leading as
Speaker 2: an artist, but being being a musician is always something
Speaker 2: that's been very like just foundationally a part of who
Speaker 2: I am as a human being.
Speaker 1: Sure. Sure, now I noticed that you got in a
Speaker 1: little bit of a slight you know plug there. You're
Speaker 1: like regionally nationally and then internationally. And I don't want
Speaker 1: our listeners to think. For the listeners that maybe they
Speaker 1: haven't become familiar with your music yet or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I don't want them to think, Okay, because I haven't
Speaker 1: heard his music yet, that that means he's not really
Speaker 1: booming on that level. The fact that you really are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, so I'll take that, Yeah, yeah, is hilarium.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could be here for a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm rocky to raid, you know, quintessential artist MC,
Speaker 2: Cultivator of Culture, prevailable punchlines, hardest working man to flow
Speaker 2: business in this moment in time. You know, what I've
Speaker 2: been doing is really uplifting the bars when it comes
Speaker 2: to you know, Phoenix lyricism out here, you know, one
Speaker 2: of the few people that was at that time able
Speaker 2: to you know, take that flag and stamp that all
Speaker 2: across like the indie sphere and what have you. You don't
Speaker 2: have to be a triple A artist to find your
Speaker 2: own level of success. And I've been very fortunate, very blessed,
Speaker 2: very honored to be able to travel the world and
Speaker 2: you know, represent this culture that has given me so
Speaker 2: much life. I say all the time, I'm just a
Speaker 2: fourteen year old kid in the back of the city bus,
Speaker 2: listens to mixed CDs I burnt off like lime Wire
Speaker 2: and everything. So to be able to, you know, contribute
Speaker 2: to this culture that I hold so so near and
Speaker 2: dear is it's it's it's been amazing. So you know,
Speaker 2: there's so many different people that you can check out,
Speaker 2: so many different avenues. But for my following, I hate
Speaker 2: using the term cult because you know, there's certain connotations
Speaker 2: that come with it, but like my kind of base
Speaker 2: and what have you been very supportive over the years,
Speaker 2: and it's allowed me the ability to, like, you know,
Speaker 2: use this artist a platform to talk about things that
Speaker 2: you know, can resonate with with people. You know, all
Speaker 2: in the spirit of like MC and in the spirit
Speaker 2: of you know how we said, peace, love, unity, have
Speaker 2: a fun dropping knowledge.
Speaker 1: So exactly so when you talk about that as a
Speaker 1: sort of baseline for your brand, you know, MC thought leader, entertainer, performer,
Speaker 1: and then you transition into a community leader, an activist,
Speaker 1: and a person who's kind of immersed in a different
Speaker 1: way into the culture. Obviously, I'm my belief and I'm
Speaker 1: sure you would agree, is that you'll forever be an artist.
Speaker 1: Sometimes artistic people it kind of themes from them, and
Speaker 1: I found part and there's been a bit of an
Speaker 1: intersection between your art and your activism, and I think
Speaker 1: that that is something that shows growth on your part.
Speaker 1: But it's inspired art and it's inspired activism as well.
Speaker 1: It's it's a different type of activism from you know,
Speaker 1: the sort of we shall overcome type of activism. Now
Speaker 1: I want to talk about not only that, but sort
Speaker 1: of what has come as a result of that. So
Speaker 1: first thing. Jacob Rayford aka Rocky Tirade is the co
Speaker 1: chair for the Maricopa County Democratic Parties Black Engagement Committee.
Speaker 1: Now we're talking about the importance of holding office, and
Speaker 1: I'll make a point a little bit later. First off,
Speaker 1: talk to us about what that means being the co
Speaker 1: chair for the Americopa County Democratic Democratic Parties Black Engagement Committee.
Speaker 1: What is what does that entail?
Speaker 2: You know, I feel like I me and people, you know,
Speaker 2: my peers within that committee serve as a conduit, you know,
Speaker 2: between like the community and you know, politics and what
Speaker 2: have you. You know, there is justifiable cynicism when it
Speaker 2: comes to politics and you know, historically speaking you know,
Speaker 2: the black community and what have you. So to be
Speaker 2: able to kind of use this platform as a means
Speaker 2: to engage with people and show them that, you know,
Speaker 2: we can be politically empowered, show up in unison and
Speaker 2: move as a community. You know, that's one of the
Speaker 2: many aspects that the Black Engagement Community Champions are community
Speaker 2: champions and what have you.
Speaker 1: So everything from.
Speaker 2: Voter registration, speaking about various policies, you know, things that
Speaker 2: are relevant to our community, and kind of channeling that
Speaker 2: through our legislative districts because you do have you have
Speaker 2: your school districts, you have your you know, congressional districts,
Speaker 2: and you have something called the legislative district. And within
Speaker 2: that legislative district is where your lawmakers where your state
Speaker 2: come from. So you know, you have your state House
Speaker 2: or representatives and your state senators and that's where your
Speaker 2: laws are generated and pushed through to the governor and
Speaker 2: the governor signs it off and what have you. But
Speaker 2: you know, we are able to point to people's legislative
Speaker 2: districts empower them to become what is called a precinct
Speaker 2: committee person, show up to these meetings and it's just
Speaker 2: once a month meetings. Anybody can do this and you know,
Speaker 2: champion the things that matter to their community, be able
Speaker 2: to engage in those small level political actions like you know,
Speaker 2: voting for or championing for various candidates to come out
Speaker 2: of their communities and thereby, over time change the landscape politically.
Speaker 2: Speaking of their legislative districts, I mean their communities, I mean,
Speaker 2: for instance, I'm a legislative district eight and tenper Arizona.
Speaker 2: So that's like for those who may not be aware
Speaker 2: of how that works, it's kind of like broken off
Speaker 2: into various parts of community, so it might intersect intersect
Speaker 2: in between different communities. Say, my legislative district in my
Speaker 2: community is North Tempier, Arizona, East Phoenix Northwest Mesa, South Scottsdale.
Speaker 2: So you know, as you can see someone who understands
Speaker 2: that the has a familiarity with the community here, it
Speaker 2: takes over various parts of communities and what have you,
Speaker 2: and that is where the law for our state is
Speaker 2: based out of. So when you think of the Black
Speaker 2: Engagement Committee, you think of, you know, community representatives that
Speaker 2: are also engaged in the political party who can serve
Speaker 2: as a bridge between the neighborhoods and the political party
Speaker 2: and then using that as a means to empower other
Speaker 2: people to do the same.
Speaker 1: Okay, so now here's the thing that I thought was
Speaker 1: relevant for today's episode. So recently on the Black Information
Speaker 1: Network Daily Podcasted, which is another show that I do,
Speaker 1: I had doctor Camilla Westernberg as a guest, the one
Speaker 1: that we referred to earlier in the show as our
Speaker 1: favorite ski we Yeah, they always get mad and I
Speaker 1: call them ski Weez. But anyway, doctor Westernberg had a
Speaker 1: conversation with me recently about some of the goings on
Speaker 1: in Florida, particularly the goings on relative to the educational
Speaker 1: standards or the changing educational stand there and a lot
Speaker 1: of that that takes place in Florida. And indeed around
Speaker 1: the country. I'm not gonna suggest that, you know, the
Speaker 1: governor of Florida has nothing to do with it, because
Speaker 1: clearly he does. But a lot of that has to
Speaker 1: do with just people getting involved, getting engaged, showing up
Speaker 1: to school board meetings, on and on and on, getting elected, right, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And so for people that think running for office really
Speaker 1: entails I have to be the governor, or I have
Speaker 1: to be the senator, or you know, something like that
Speaker 1: that feels a little uh, might might feel yeah, and
Speaker 1: a little bit beyond what their capabilities would or rather
Speaker 1: their circumstances would allow. Uh. You know, there are other
Speaker 1: other ways to get involved in, other ways to get active.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that the things that you do, at
Speaker 1: least to me, they don't seem particularly taxing, and indeed,
Speaker 1: when you talk about them, it's just kind of a
Speaker 1: base level. I care about this issue. I'm willing to
Speaker 1: dedicate some time to it and make some meaningful inroads
Speaker 1: or an impact. And what happens is a lot of
Speaker 1: times the deeply conservative opposition to our positions they are
Speaker 1: engaged way more than liberal things are. In fact, I
Speaker 1: quoted Malcolm X, I believe it was who said that
Speaker 1: we are not outnumbered, we are out organized. And so
Speaker 1: that's why I kind of wanted to talk to you
Speaker 1: today about how significant it is to hold not necessarily
Speaker 1: elected positions, but to hold some sort of position in
Speaker 1: the community where you are given a voice. And so,
Speaker 1: while we're on the subject of the exact, yeah, the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party's Black Engagement Committee talk to us about how
Speaker 1: a person gets to that position, right, So.
Speaker 2: I mean that's a specific committee, but when you talk
Speaker 2: about being organized, I mean the whole concept of converting
Speaker 2: people into what is you know, in a official title,
Speaker 2: which is a precinct committee man woman person. That is
Speaker 2: a form of organizing in itself. I mean, I've been
Speaker 2: involved in politics for a few years now, but it
Speaker 2: took about a year and a half or so for
Speaker 2: me to understand or be educated on what a precinc
Speaker 2: committee person is. Because unless you're deeply involved in the
Speaker 2: day to day actions of say local politics, you may
Speaker 2: not know what it is. But it's one of those
Speaker 2: things where you know, by itself, there is not it
Speaker 2: is not significant by itself. Yes, it's important by itself, like,
Speaker 2: but when you think about organizing groups of precinct committee
Speaker 2: people to vote on behalf of a specific by law
Speaker 2: that thereby shape your legislative district, or to help vote
Speaker 2: for things that pertain to the Americopa County Democratic Party,
Speaker 2: or to even run for office for like low level
Speaker 2: office in your legislative district. Say you want to be
Speaker 2: the chair, the co chair, the secretary of the treasurer
Speaker 2: and have this like foundational infrastructural influence on your legislative district,
Speaker 2: meaning a huge part of your city or community. You
Speaker 2: could do that, or run for office within your the
Speaker 2: Americopa County Democratic Party in itself. You can be say
Speaker 2: the chair or the vice chair, or have this infrastructural
Speaker 2: like influential.
Speaker 1: Role in you know, for speaking.
Speaker 2: I know this is very local and this is broadcast
Speaker 2: to you know, various communities, but this applies to all
Speaker 2: of your communities. You can be influential in, you know,
Speaker 2: from a county standpoint, for your entire party. Now you
Speaker 2: have somebody from your community who's able to speak to
Speaker 2: things that they know from a first hand perspective, show up, effect.
Speaker 1: Change, and you know, do that in a way that.
Speaker 2: Benefits your community and benefits you know, the push towards
Speaker 2: a more progressive society. Sure, so when you speak of
Speaker 2: like alcome X's quote, that is one of the ways
Speaker 2: in which we can do that. Because as someone who
Speaker 2: is helping organize the protest back in twenty twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: one of the things that we're telling people is that
Speaker 2: this is a pivot towards policy change. Protesting is a
Speaker 2: pivot towards policy change. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: everything starts and ends around policy. So to be involved
Speaker 2: in say a Black Engagement committee, or just to be
Speaker 2: someone who is involved in local politics, that is a
Speaker 2: means of affecting policy change because you're naturally going to
Speaker 2: create ripples in that water just by being involved and
Speaker 2: like educating people and how to do that. And it's
Speaker 2: something it's so minimal, and it's really what you can
Speaker 2: make of it. If you want to be completely involved
Speaker 2: in a day to day basis and you want to
Speaker 2: show up in canvas and knockdoors, and or you want
Speaker 2: to call in phone bank and convince people to be
Speaker 2: more politically engaged, okay, cool.
Speaker 1: If you have family.
Speaker 2: If you have a family, a growing family, if you're
Speaker 2: nine to five, is taking you away or say you're
Speaker 2: having I don't know given a climate they're in right now,
Speaker 2: financial troubles and you're too stressed to think about things
Speaker 2: going on at that particular time, It's okay, but just
Speaker 2: be registered to be able to affect change when those
Speaker 2: opportunities present itself, when those times to vote present itself,
Speaker 2: when those times to prepare your community to vote and
Speaker 2: show up in mass in order to affect change at
Speaker 2: the ballot shows up. So it's one of those things
Speaker 2: that is the foundation of like political organizing. It's being
Speaker 2: a precinct committee person. And I feel that, inadvertently or
Speaker 2: maybe intentionally, given the conversation that you want to have,
Speaker 2: we have been bottlenecked from being able to be involved
Speaker 2: in that. So me showing up as someone from outside
Speaker 2: of this political landscape now recognizing this information, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to impart this information on other individuals so they can
Speaker 2: go out there, become their own platform and you know,
Speaker 2: within their own ecosystem, bringing other people in, and we
Speaker 2: just create that ripple effect and then within our specific
Speaker 2: community we build a stronger black political presence.
Speaker 1: Well said, so well said, So I think that you
Speaker 1: touched on something really significant, because if I'm honest, I
Speaker 1: once upon a time felt that holding any sort of
Speaker 1: office came with a lot of pressure, came with a
Speaker 1: lot of responsibility, and I'm sure that they all do.
Speaker 1: But these specific type of pressures and responsibilities included fundraising.
Speaker 1: I have to raise money to you know, to launch
Speaker 1: a campaign. I have to be extremely educated on all
Speaker 1: the issues and issues that aren't even relevant to the
Speaker 1: particular task that I'm trying to perform. I have to
Speaker 1: you know, not work. I have to you know, on
Speaker 1: and on and on. I just I the monster that
Speaker 1: it became prevented me from kind of looking in a
Speaker 1: general direction. And as I began to associate with people
Speaker 1: who were holding elected office, I realize that absolutely that's
Speaker 1: true for different positions, for different positions, but it's not
Speaker 1: true for every position. And there's a level, there's different
Speaker 1: levels of engagement, and there's a space for everyone, everyone
Speaker 1: who chooses to be engaged beyond a cam registered to vote.
Speaker 1: I cast a voute every four years or every two years,
Speaker 1: hopefully it's every two years at least, But there's a
Speaker 1: level of engagement beyond that. And I think that that's
Speaker 1: significant because you know, as you mentioned, the more information
Speaker 1: that makes its way to us, the more we feel like,
Speaker 1: or rather the better we're able to determine the degree
Speaker 1: to which we've been disenfranchised, right, And you know, for
Speaker 1: those people who have been affected fiscally, for those people
Speaker 1: who realize that they have to work two nine to
Speaker 1: fives and ultimately happened upon the truth that their life
Speaker 1: should not be this way. Life should not be a
Speaker 1: cap to work. And then I get old and then
Speaker 1: I die, and that's what I did with my life.
Speaker 1: That doesn't seem right. And people make money off of
Speaker 1: me so that they could live good and I cannot
Speaker 1: get out of my circumstances easily. And when I do,
Speaker 1: there are systems and external forces in place that prevent that.
Speaker 1: And there's this narrative that suggests that education and hard
Speaker 1: work are the keys to accessing the fortune that you know,
Speaker 1: these other people enjoy, which the boots. Yeah, yeah, for
Speaker 1: the most part, that is not realistic and it's not accurate.
Speaker 1: There's tons of people who are educated and live the
Speaker 1: same life as you know, the poorest of us. There's
Speaker 1: tons of people who you know, the bootstrappy sort of language.
Speaker 1: This narrative that exists to suggest that everyone is in
Speaker 1: their own predicament as a result of their own choices,
Speaker 1: and there are not systemic issues present that are suppressing
Speaker 1: people's rightful life paths. Right, So, for folks that feel
Speaker 1: like they should push back against the life that they
Speaker 1: have been kind of forced into, boxed into, political engagement
Speaker 1: is one way of affecting change that maybe you can
Speaker 1: enjoy in your lifetime. And if not, do you want
Speaker 1: your children to live as tough a life as you.
Speaker 1: And so I appreciate having learned really through watching you
Speaker 1: and a handful of other people become engaged in formal capacities.
Speaker 1: You know, I never left radio, so this is still
Speaker 1: I'm still in the nest. I'm still very comfortable here.
Speaker 1: But you absolutely have done that, and that's something that
Speaker 1: I've always done my best to commend you for and say,
Speaker 1: you know how proud I am of you. But also
Speaker 1: you've made it less of a monster than it once
Speaker 1: was good. And I think that it's important for us
Speaker 1: to suggest to those would be activists or sorry, those
Speaker 1: would be individuals who would be politically engaged beyond again
Speaker 1: casting a vote every two years, it's important to suggest
Speaker 1: that you're a living, breathing example of how engagement can
Speaker 1: enhance your life. Can allow you to create change in
Speaker 1: your community and doesn't necessarily cost you so much to
Speaker 1: where it's prohibitive. So I appreciate you saying.
Speaker 2: Thank you, yeah, and thank thank you for mentioning that
Speaker 2: that last part, because you know, I myself was once
Speaker 2: you know, hit with like imposter syndrome and you know,
Speaker 2: especially like working in the ACLU. And we could talk
Speaker 2: about that later, but you know, looking at this like
Speaker 2: the political landscape is like this huge monolith and almost
Speaker 2: being really being intimidated by that because you know, I'm
Speaker 2: an MC and things of that nature. And first I
Speaker 2: started recognizing and that's that's like that kind of Eurocentric
Speaker 2: like centering around around what professionalism is. Because at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, like I was still able to
Speaker 2: go from being an MC to being in these rooms
Speaker 2: of people who have been you know, politically engaged, going
Speaker 2: back as far as like the you know, courses of
Speaker 2: study that they took in university and what have you.
Speaker 2: And because at the end of the day, like this
Speaker 2: all is about community engagement. Everything centers around the neighborhoods,
Speaker 2: the families, the working class families, you know, the people
Speaker 2: who are on the receiving end of policy change, And
Speaker 2: so who better than people from around the neighborhoods to
Speaker 2: show up and be engaged in whatever way, shape or form.
Speaker 2: And like I'm saying, and like I'm saying, you know
Speaker 2: you don't have to be There's different levels you could
Speaker 2: run for office, and like from you could run for
Speaker 2: like a high level office, so you can be a
Speaker 2: precinct committee person at the very bottom of you know
Speaker 2: this line, or like tiers of like political engagement and
Speaker 2: still affect change and ways that work for you.
Speaker 1: All right, hold that thought. We're gonna come right back
Speaker 1: after this school