Speaker 1: Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition
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Speaker 1: let's get it all. How's it going to everybody? Brian
Speaker 1: Alvarez here on Wrestling Observer Live. We are here every
Speaker 1: day Monday through Friday. Now Pacific three Eastern, Sunday three Pacific,
Speaker 1: sixth Eastern. Well it's Tuesday here on this show. I
Speaker 1: got a lot to talk about here today. Only Row
Speaker 1: was last night. Yeah, we'll do the Raw Report and
Speaker 1: everything like that, but yeah, we gotta talking about old
Speaker 1: Vince McMahon man. What timing for that Vice documentary tonight?
Speaker 1: Dave and I are on it. They've been promoting it
Speaker 1: like crazy. It airs on Vice TV at nine o'clock
Speaker 1: midnight and three a m. Eastern. So depending on when
Speaker 1: you get a chance to watch any of these shows
Speaker 1: on Vice, if you're on the West coast, nine and midnight,
Speaker 1: it maybe six o'clock, so three times that show is
Speaker 1: gonna air tonight on Vice. I'm on it, Dave's on it,
Speaker 1: I saw the trailer. Vince Russo's on it, Jim Cornett,
Speaker 1: So it's two hour show. Make sure you check it out.
Speaker 1: Tonight and man Well Street Journal today comes out with
Speaker 1: another article on Vince McMahon and allegations and claims by Vince.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about that here today on the
Speaker 1: show and all the other news as well. A w
Speaker 1: big production higher yesterday. A lot of people are talking
Speaker 1: about we've got w W announcing new tour dates. We've
Speaker 1: got the King and Queen of the Ring have been
Speaker 1: trademarked by w W E SmackDown radios. From Friday, the
Speaker 1: show did great rampage numbers from Friday. The show did
Speaker 1: a little better than it normally does, but a lot
Speaker 1: of people didn't watch that. John Moxley takesha match. Well,
Speaker 1: that's on you, So we'll talk about that, and of
Speaker 1: course the raw recap as well. If you want to
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Speaker 1: Lives of Vince McMahon on Vice TV. I'm on the show,
Speaker 1: Dave's on the show. Others are on the show as well,
Speaker 1: and uh, I hope, I hope that he's had his
Speaker 1: nine and not eight, because he seems to think he's
Speaker 1: only at eight. Because what a coincidence. You know, this thing,
Speaker 1: this Vice documentary was scheduled to air, uh several weeks
Speaker 1: ago and it just happened to be scheduled for a
Speaker 1: night where a W had been moved to Tuesday. So
Speaker 1: we had a W and n X T on a
Speaker 1: Tuesday night, and this Vice show was going to run
Speaker 1: head to head and I was like, Man, no one's
Speaker 1: gonna watch this show. So they pulled it from that
Speaker 1: date and they booked it here for this date. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if they knew that there was gonna
Speaker 1: be a Wall Street Journal article coming out today or
Speaker 1: if it was just an amazing coincidence that the day
Speaker 1: that this thing was scheduled to air, we got a
Speaker 1: new Wall Street Journal article. But what incredible timing. Tuesday,
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal published an article revealing McMahon's attorney received
Speaker 1: a demand letter from Rita Chatterton's lawyer on November three,
Speaker 1: asking for eleven points seven five million in damages. Jatterton,
Speaker 1: who was the first female referee in w w E history,
Speaker 1: publicly accute as to McMahon of raping her in the
Speaker 1: back of a limo November in New York in nineteen six.
Speaker 1: Also November, McMahon's attorney received an email from a lawyer
Speaker 1: from a former SPA manager who says that McMahon assaulted
Speaker 1: her at a California result in twenty eleven. The incident
Speaker 1: had not been reported in the media until now let
Speaker 1: her from chart. Chatterton's lawyer states Chatterton quote has suffered
Speaker 1: years of ongoing depression, substance abuse, disordered eating, lost income,
Speaker 1: and overall a decreased quality of life following the mcmann's
Speaker 1: alleged rape. And there's more here and talks about the
Speaker 1: SPA manager told her husband about the incident. Her husband
Speaker 1: drove to a w W event with a baseball bat
Speaker 1: try to confront Mr McMahon but was turned away. I
Speaker 1: don't want to make light of this, but what like
Speaker 1: he showed up at the door with a bat and
Speaker 1: asked to see Vince and they turned him away. That's
Speaker 1: what this sounds like. Here. The woman's lawyer has been
Speaker 1: in touch with Mr McMahon's attorney since at least July.
Speaker 1: McMahon is told people he refuses to pay settlements to
Speaker 1: Chatterton or the SPA manager. So uh, And there's more
Speaker 1: here about the the past, and then we have this
Speaker 1: which everyone's uh talking about today. Despite his retirement, mcaman
Speaker 1: remains w w e's majority shareholder. In the Wall Street
Speaker 1: Journal story that was published today, it has noted that
Speaker 1: McMahon has told people that he quote intends to make
Speaker 1: a comeback to w w E. McMahon feels that he
Speaker 1: received quote bad advice from people close to him and
Speaker 1: thinks the allegations would have blown over if he didn't
Speaker 1: step down. Well, these two new allegations suggests that wouldn't happen,
Speaker 1: But that's what he thinks. And then it was on
Speaker 1: and on. Now, obviously there's a lot of fans on
Speaker 1: social media today they're freaking out about this, and there
Speaker 1: are certainly people within w w E that certainly we're
Speaker 1: not expecting nor we're happy to hear this, this article
Speaker 1: from the Wall Street Journal. And I'm not gonna sit
Speaker 1: here and tell you anything because I don't know what
Speaker 1: is going to or could happen. But I will say this,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be as easy as Vince going.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm ready to come back. Now, I'll be
Speaker 1: the office on Monday. The official word, if you guys remember,
Speaker 1: was I don't even have the tweet in front of me,
Speaker 1: but Vince. Vince tweeted something like, you know, I'm old
Speaker 1: and I think it's time to go, or something like that,
Speaker 1: and then you know, officially they talked about how he
Speaker 1: had stepped down or whatever, but I seem to recall
Speaker 1: that that the reason that he voluntarily stepped down was
Speaker 1: it if he hadn't voluntarily stepped down, it was gonna
Speaker 1: be done in a different manner. And so the idea
Speaker 1: that you know, he could just come back. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's never going to be back. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's not possible, but he can have all of the
Speaker 1: intentions that he wants, and uh, there's a lot that
Speaker 1: would have to happen for him to just come back.
Speaker 1: So we shall see what happens. Yeah, because remember how
Speaker 1: this whole thing started with the Wall Street Journal. It
Speaker 1: was something that was sent by you know, it's something
Speaker 1: sent to a board of director, and you know, there
Speaker 1: we have this whole thing about the independent investigation that
Speaker 1: was going to look at the entirety of the company
Speaker 1: and see what the culture was and see all that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff, you know, and we haven't heard anything
Speaker 1: about any of that stuff, any changes that are going
Speaker 1: to be made, anything like that. So you would figure
Speaker 1: if even they've quietly done what they've needed to do
Speaker 1: and everything's over with now and we're not going to
Speaker 1: hear about any changes, or they may change as quietly.
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, you go ahead and you upset the
Speaker 1: apple cart by varying Vince McMahon back in if he
Speaker 1: tries to force himself back in. And again, I don't
Speaker 1: know how this works as far as him being the
Speaker 1: majority stockholder and how he can leverage that to try
Speaker 1: to take over the company again, and what that would
Speaker 1: set off as far as the you know, securities and
Speaker 1: Exchange Commission and other stockholders and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: But what I do know is that I who knows
Speaker 1: if this What I know is there are now what
Speaker 1: six seven allegations against Vince McMahon for that have been
Speaker 1: settled that we know of from O. Six oh eight
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen and then this one in two thousand
Speaker 1: and twenty two. The reader Chatterton's story has been out
Speaker 1: there for a long time. There is these ans of
Speaker 1: bar story in Florida that ended up not going anywhere
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, of groping story, and a
Speaker 1: story where a somebody that works at a spa says
Speaker 1: did he sent pictures? And as we found out later on,
Speaker 1: that is part of his m O and other n
Speaker 1: d a's that have apparently been signed. That's something he's doing.
Speaker 1: So now we have another situation with a spot in
Speaker 1: California for all this happened. I mean, he can talk
Speaker 1: about trying to get himself back and all he wants
Speaker 1: he can. He may be right, he may be absolutely right.
Speaker 1: Because you saw what the stock price did. Maybe people
Speaker 1: wouldn't have taken it seriously, maybe it would have blown over.
Speaker 1: But at this point in the game, you're gonna go
Speaker 1: ahead and bring back Vince McMahon. The thought of him
Speaker 1: coming back after all of this stuff, when there's still
Speaker 1: stuff that could very well be out there, is just insanity. Well,
Speaker 1: I think people need to remember as well. Did he
Speaker 1: didn't just step down to do allegations. He stepped down
Speaker 1: because he had used essentially company money for teen page
Speaker 1: six million women. So so listen here. You know, somebody
Speaker 1: asked me this question a few months ago. It was
Speaker 1: a great question. This was after Vince had been gone
Speaker 1: for a while, and they were like, what is worse
Speaker 1: with Vince gone? Like, you know, before Vince stepped down,
Speaker 1: the the fear was a w w Without Vince McMahon,
Speaker 1: the stock's gonna create. You know, the thing's just gonna well,
Speaker 1: what happened when he left was it didn't create her.
Speaker 1: And in fact, if you look at every single solitary
Speaker 1: aspect of business and how much money they're making and
Speaker 1: their house show business and the ratings and blah blah blah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I realized they had a bad quarter a little while ago,
Speaker 1: But in general, what is worse now then when he
Speaker 1: was around. If it were a situation where he left
Speaker 1: and things really did crater and then he wanted to
Speaker 1: come back, yeah, I can see them going, well, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a publicly traded company, we have a requirement
Speaker 1: to our stockhold, etcetera. But I mean, none of that happened.
Speaker 1: You know, in a lot of ways, virtually everything is
Speaker 1: better now with him gone. So it's gonna be pretty
Speaker 1: tough to go. Hey, you know, he wants to come back.
Speaker 1: I got more allegations against him, use company money, But hey,
Speaker 1: he wants to come back, let's do it. Back in
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Speaker 1: is here wrestling Observer Alive mixambur Viv, also wrestling Observer
Speaker 1: dot Com. In another kind of related story, a double
Speaker 1: views hired Michael Mansuriy w w E is former vice
Speaker 1: president of Global Global TV Production to be their new
Speaker 1: senior Vice President co executive producer her fire. The hiring
Speaker 1: first reporter by p w Insider, who said that he's
Speaker 1: gonna begin his job tonight. Specific job responsibilities not reported.
Speaker 1: He was most recently the Senior VP Executive Producer of
Speaker 1: Global Production for one the m A organization. For that,
Speaker 1: he was an executive producer for The Pat McAfee Show.
Speaker 1: And so it was with the w w E for
Speaker 1: eleven years beginning in two thousand nine, left on his
Speaker 1: own accord in While his name is likely not familiar
Speaker 1: with most fans, his work as a director of record
Speaker 1: from many w w E pay per view and TV
Speaker 1: shows during his time. Uh they are so uh. P
Speaker 1: w Insider, when they first broke the story of him leaving,
Speaker 1: said he was seen by some of his eventual successor
Speaker 1: to Kevin Dunn was seen as a big part of
Speaker 1: the Triple H regime. So there's a there's a lot
Speaker 1: to say here. So first off, you know, from talking
Speaker 1: to two people in w w E in production, this
Speaker 1: bloke was eight in his job, and uh, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of there are people there in production. They
Speaker 1: think that a W product production is just like atrocious.
Speaker 1: They think it's absolutely positively atrocious. And I often mentioned, Bro,
Speaker 1: I'd rather watch whatever atrocious production they had than this
Speaker 1: zooming and camera cutting and all this other rigmarole. But
Speaker 1: that's what they say. Their production is horrible. And so
Speaker 1: when when man sorry got signed there like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what a signing. This is a gigantic, gigantic signing for
Speaker 1: a w they said, because this guy is so good
Speaker 1: at his job. Now here's there's a few questions about
Speaker 1: this that that that should be asked. So and I
Speaker 1: don't know the answers to him. But this guy worked
Speaker 1: for W W E for eleven years and he was
Speaker 1: thought to be next in line for Kevin Dunn's role.
Speaker 1: He was thought to be one of the Triple H guys.
Speaker 1: When Kevin Dunn is gone, when Triple H is in,
Speaker 1: when Vince is gone, he he's gonna he's gonna rise
Speaker 1: to that position. So in in or whatever, he quit
Speaker 1: and uh, he went to do all of these other things.
Speaker 1: So he's been gone for a while. And then in
Speaker 1: the summer of two, everything that happened with Vince happened,
Speaker 1: and UH and Vince was removed from his position, and
Speaker 1: Triple H started bringing all of his guys into UH
Speaker 1: certain positions and he started bringing back wrestlers at Vince
Speaker 1: saw nothing in that he did, and he's he's UH,
Speaker 1: he's starting to create his his his core group. And
Speaker 1: here we are. It is December and Michael Mansouri decided,
Speaker 1: I am not going back to w W E. I
Speaker 1: am not going back to work under Triple H. I
Speaker 1: am going to go to a W. And a lot
Speaker 1: of people have asked a question as to whai. The
Speaker 1: answer may be as simple as well, it doesn't look
Speaker 1: like Kevin Dunn's going anywhere anytime soon, so I don't
Speaker 1: want to work under this guy. Could just be that,
Speaker 1: or I mean, you know, there could be there could
Speaker 1: be a lot of things going on here. But in general,
Speaker 1: the feeling is is a huge positive for a W.
Speaker 1: But what it means, I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it means. I mean, there's a lot, there's a
Speaker 1: lot that goes into production. Everybody. It's not just pushing
Speaker 1: a button. Are we talking like he's gonna he's gonna go?
Speaker 1: You know what? You need a different set for all
Speaker 1: these pay per views revolution there should be like whatever,
Speaker 1: barbed wire all over the place, you know, the Vegas,
Speaker 1: I want chips everywhere. You know. W w has all
Speaker 1: these special sets. Could be something like that. Could be
Speaker 1: he wants more zooming, could be he wants this or
Speaker 1: that lighting. I don't know what he's gonna do. But
Speaker 1: all I know is I don't think you just see
Speaker 1: massive changes tonight. I think that it will take a
Speaker 1: while to uh to get his vision instated. But we'll see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you see, know they got a second TV show
Speaker 1: starting soon, you know, and I know he's got probably
Speaker 1: nothing to do with that, but you're gonna have to,
Speaker 1: you know, stand out your resources. And when you have
Speaker 1: somebody like this out on the market and you're able
Speaker 1: to grab him, you grab him. That's what you do,
Speaker 1: you know. But who knows what the deal was with
Speaker 1: w w E. Maybe he was not called back to
Speaker 1: take over for Kevin Dunn. Maybe he was called back
Speaker 1: and said no, I kind of like this guy's spirit.
Speaker 1: You know, he left on his own from w w
Speaker 1: E and then went and got a job. I mean,
Speaker 1: you saw you hear what Brian told you about his
Speaker 1: title and what he did for that company, and yes,
Speaker 1: Brian's not lying with you to you at all. People
Speaker 1: inside w w E who are still there ty hype
Speaker 1: this guy up immensely and said it was going to
Speaker 1: be a great win for a e W. So obviously
Speaker 1: it's a big deal. But he went did the Pat
Speaker 1: McAfee show, he went decompressed probably for a while when
Speaker 1: did something that he liked to do, and then took
Speaker 1: on a new challenge with One Singapore and now he's
Speaker 1: coming back here to do this. Look I again, I'm
Speaker 1: going off of what other people are saying about it,
Speaker 1: and they are extremely excited. There have been times with
Speaker 1: AWS production I have been very frustrated. There are times
Speaker 1: where it's great. You know that it looks like nitro
Speaker 1: and it feels like nitro. But you know what w
Speaker 1: w E. The one thing you can't take away from
Speaker 1: is their production. And if somebody can bring some of
Speaker 1: the aesthetic that's good about w w E over to
Speaker 1: a W not a bad thing. How much you say
Speaker 1: in the ratings this week. Although SmackDown did a really
Speaker 1: good number two point three million viewers SmackDown on Friday,
Speaker 1: obviously this was you know, if some of this might
Speaker 1: actually be, I'd have to go back and chart it.
Speaker 1: But last week they were on FS one and man
Speaker 1: if I had a stock, it did very It did
Speaker 1: uh nine hundreds something thousand on FS one in the
Speaker 1: eighteen and forty nine was not that great. So they're
Speaker 1: actually up a hundred and fifty five point six percent
Speaker 1: this week because they went for so man if I
Speaker 1: had a stock this week, who man oh man. But anyway,
Speaker 1: eight point five seven up one hundred and twenty eight
Speaker 1: percent from last week. So basically my question is that
Speaker 1: I'd have to go back. But you know, when they
Speaker 1: moved FS one, their viewership is cut in half every
Speaker 1: time or more, and so I wonder if if every
Speaker 1: time when they come back from FS one they do
Speaker 1: a better than usual number because half the people didn't
Speaker 1: watch the show the previous week and tune in to
Speaker 1: find out what they missed, perhaps in larger numbers. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I did a very good number, and uh, I have
Speaker 1: no other explanation because as a show, just show it
Speaker 1: was fine. And then Rampage did four hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: seven thousand viewers, which is up over from the week prior.
Speaker 1: How his total audience since October one, although Um, the
Speaker 1: demo was not great. It was a point one one,
Speaker 1: and it was up from the previous week's record low,
Speaker 1: but still it's a point one one, which is not
Speaker 1: a great demo. But they were up in viewership and
Speaker 1: it was a better show. So I guess we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens is coming Friday on Rampage if people liked
Speaker 1: it and decide they're gonna give another chance this week.
Speaker 1: So I don't know it they can put as many
Speaker 1: people on it as they want to. I know Tony's
Speaker 1: talking about reinvigorating it again, but it's still tough on
Speaker 1: Friday nights with the market that you have, what your
Speaker 1: demo is, and what your competition is, and the time
Speaker 1: slot that you're on again, I don't know you can
Speaker 1: pop it even for a couple of weeks. Maybe, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if consistently there's an answer for the
Speaker 1: time slot. And then finally they had the announcement that
Speaker 1: they're gonna be touring June and July three. On Wednesday, June,
Speaker 1: w w E is heading you Liverpool. Thursday, they'll be
Speaker 1: in Sheffield. The nine also in uh in Dublin Islands,
Speaker 1: so they're doing a split crew the Raw crew will
Speaker 1: be in Sheffield and the SmackDown Crew in Dublin, Newcastle
Speaker 1: Friday June and uh Sunday Age Life. Second, they will
Speaker 1: be in Cardiff, Wales again where hopefully Drew mciner could
Speaker 1: get a big victory. This time they're going back. And
Speaker 1: then they also announced the King and Queen of the Ring,
Speaker 1: which was I don't know what like. Obviously they have
Speaker 1: trademarked King of the Ring and probably Queen of the
Speaker 1: Ring as well, but now they have trademarked w w
Speaker 1: E King and Queen of the Ring, so barely that's
Speaker 1: you know, if they do a King of the Ring
Speaker 1: pay per view, it will no longer be the King
Speaker 1: of the Ring pay per view with a Queen of
Speaker 1: the Ring tournament. It will be King and Queen of
Speaker 1: the Ring. So there you go excited for that. Everyone.
Speaker 1: Did I lose Mike? I think I did his his
Speaker 1: his house was noisy and then suddenly got very quiet,
Speaker 1: very peaceful. I think that means that he likely dropped. Alright,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a row when we come back from
Speaker 1: the break, but in the meantime I will look through
Speaker 1: some of the feedback and see what people are saying
Speaker 1: here four to five seven eight zero seven, five six
Speaker 1: six is the phone number for text messages. Four to
Speaker 1: five seven eight zero seven five six six. Remember that
Speaker 1: short time when he and w W is having words
Speaker 1: and graphics appear on the screen while people cut promos.
Speaker 1: Hopefully that doesn't go to a W. I don't remember that.
Speaker 1: What was that? I remember every now and then somebody
Speaker 1: would kind of promo. There be creepy music in the
Speaker 1: background which was goofy, but there were words and graphics
Speaker 1: on the screen. I mean, I would like to see
Speaker 1: when people are interviewed, like their names appear on the screen.
Speaker 1: I think there should be more of that. But remember
Speaker 1: that one. If you had to give a percentage as
Speaker 1: to the chance of Vince returns, what would it be.
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but I mean it would be low.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I'd say less than ten percent. Now,
Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose that could change, but I find
Speaker 1: this to be quite unlikely for a lot of reasons,
Speaker 1: but who knows. Wright Another news, congrats on scoring the
Speaker 1: second goal in the semifinals of the World Cup. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that I have a more talented man than
Speaker 1: people are aware. This person here says, uh, no joke.
Speaker 1: Oh God, people talk about this Undertaker thing. Now is
Speaker 1: not the day to argue with me about whether Undertaker
Speaker 1: supernatural voodoo in the nineties was cool or not. Now
Speaker 1: it's not the day. Back in a moment with a
Speaker 1: raw reporting morebs, They're alive. You're right back in the show.
Speaker 1: Brin Elbert is here Wrestling Observer live chat getting natural
Speaker 1: except for me, gets done the chats. Just Undertaker thing. Listen,
Speaker 1: he's a Hall of famer. Everybody is a Hall of famer.
Speaker 1: But I keep asking people, show me times when the
Speaker 1: stupid voodoo drew money, Like the best anyone has ever
Speaker 1: come up with was the Ministry of Darkness, when the
Speaker 1: entire feud was built around Steve Austin and Vince McMahon
Speaker 1: and the well no wonder that drew. You could have
Speaker 1: you literally could have done a storyline and put Scotty
Speaker 1: too Hottie in that position. It would have done fine
Speaker 1: because you were working with Steve Aouston and Vince McMahon.
Speaker 1: Outside of that, Find me one time what magic and
Speaker 1: voodoo has drawn in professional wrestling. Wait, Brian, there was,
Speaker 1: there was Papa Shano and uh An Ultimate Warrior died,
Speaker 1: there was Ultimate Warrior, and whole Hogan, seeing the reflection
Speaker 1: in the mirror, died. I don't want even think any
Speaker 1: more than that. Alright, let's do the raw report. I
Speaker 1: can't take anymore losing my mind, all right. So it
Speaker 1: opened up with Alex and Bailey. What in God's name
Speaker 1: is going on with Alexa Bliss? Am I the only
Speaker 1: one you know? Am I the old? Now I'm gonna
Speaker 1: talking about storyline in the ring? Man, Dude, they missed
Speaker 1: one spot after another in the middle of this match.
Speaker 1: Then she tried a Hurricane Ronna and for some reason
Speaker 1: took a bump on the back of her head, and
Speaker 1: then it was just this match was not good and
Speaker 1: she looks like she doesn't care, which kind of is
Speaker 1: half the storyline is that she doesn't care. She's not
Speaker 1: into it. But like when when you're when you're doing
Speaker 1: so good at not caring that I don't believe you care.
Speaker 1: There's a problem here, right, Well, I thought this match
Speaker 1: was bad and then she she won, so she's the
Speaker 1: number one contender, and then she had to stare down
Speaker 1: with Bianca and then grabbed her for the Sister Abigail.
Speaker 1: But then, uh, I don't even know what happened. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then she just walks away with a simple flashed.
Speaker 1: Now I'm really having flashbacks to this stuff. Do you
Speaker 1: know what? Never drew Alexa Bliss is the female fiend.
Speaker 1: Jeffer get one of those uh big oversized jack in
Speaker 1: the boxes for the playroom. I got one in the
Speaker 1: corner of the studio now, but I'll never forget the
Speaker 1: first day that Paisley spun that jack in the box
Speaker 1: and I got the camera and I did didn't tell
Speaker 1: her what was gonna happen. Then the same thing with Hanolean.
Speaker 1: It was awesome. Honley's reaction was actually great because she's
Speaker 1: turning the thing and looking at it and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden thing pops out and at first you just jumped,
Speaker 1: and then she looks at me. She just goes, WHOA.
Speaker 1: She was already do it again. Then alph Academy promo
Speaker 1: which stead of a match with Chad Gable and aj Styles,
Speaker 1: which came up next when nine minutes and you'll never
Speaker 1: guess it was really good, but it only went nine minutes.
Speaker 1: And then Styles, Uh, this is something I've been doing lately.
Speaker 1: Idn't if it's just me or if it's just this week. No,
Speaker 1: I am in tune with the current product. Don't tell
Speaker 1: me that Fibrograss. I'll ban you. I will ban you, Okay.
Speaker 1: I will ban you if you act like I'm some
Speaker 1: weird aberration and I'm the only guy that doesn't like
Speaker 1: Alexa Bliss is the female fiend. Okay, I will ban you.
Speaker 1: If you like it, that's fine, but do not make
Speaker 1: this overall thing that I'm some weird old man that
Speaker 1: doesn't get it. Okay, don't do it. Do you understand
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it. I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear it, and I don't like to drop the band
Speaker 1: hammer on the chat. But I looked up at the
Speaker 1: wrong time, Okay, because you empowering DJ. Yeah. Now, last
Speaker 1: couple of shows, I don't know what's up, but I've
Speaker 1: seen this finish in several matches where they're just doing
Speaker 1: a match and then it's over. There's not like a
Speaker 1: real build to it or anything like that. They did
Speaker 1: it with a brown Breaker on Sunday. Then we had
Speaker 1: it here. They're just wrestling. Now of a sudden, he
Speaker 1: just grabs him in his move and pins him. I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, added away too, early. I want to
Speaker 1: be longer, but it was a good Walt lasted. Then
Speaker 1: we had a long Johnny Gargano Dexter Loomising on the show,
Speaker 1: which was absolutely not good. Now I know what some
Speaker 1: of you were gonna say, Oh, Vince must be back.
Speaker 1: This is the exact kind of thing you would do. No,
Speaker 1: there's a massive difference. Is this as dumb as something
Speaker 1: that Vince would do? Yes? But what's the big difference.
Speaker 1: The big difference, which I can't tell the positive or
Speaker 1: negative at this point, is it's still going The story
Speaker 1: has been going on for like eight weeks. I'm sick
Speaker 1: of it and it won't end. Got a Louis Baton
Speaker 1: bag on a pole match next week. Vince would do
Speaker 1: stupid things and it would just end. Not this. They're
Speaker 1: determined to play out this story. How much money is
Speaker 1: in the bag? Have we determined that? Well, I'll get
Speaker 1: to that. We had judgment Davis accurre toes out in
Speaker 1: the street profits fifteen minutes, very very good match. Everybody
Speaker 1: looked good. Is how is awesome? Thank god they're finally
Speaker 1: doing something with tiawa here. And of course in the
Speaker 1: end he got pinned by Dom who is the biggest
Speaker 1: heell on this show by Miles, by Miles. This guy
Speaker 1: gets in the ring and he's hated every time, and
Speaker 1: he got the pit and these people were so angry.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the Johnny Gargano here's where we are in
Speaker 1: this story. Dexter and Johnny have gotten money from Miss
Speaker 1: that miss O Dexter for pretending to stock him to
Speaker 1: make miss seem like a bigger Hollywood star. So they're
Speaker 1: spending the money and they bought Christmas presents, they bought
Speaker 1: all the merch and they're handing it out to children
Speaker 1: for like an hour. MS shows up and he tries
Speaker 1: to steal the bag back and it appears comes out
Speaker 1: and goes, no, it's not your money, you lost it,
Speaker 1: give it back. MS then does a sob story about
Speaker 1: having no money to their credit. Johnny Gargano then says, bro,
Speaker 1: don't try to convince us that you have no money,
Speaker 1: that your life savings in this stupid bag. We know
Speaker 1: you're rich. We've seen your show. Are you trying to
Speaker 1: pull here? MS? That explains you know what, You're right.
Speaker 1: I am rich, but my money is not liquid. And
Speaker 1: on top of that, my wife gives me an allowance.
Speaker 1: So they tell him, well, why don't you get your
Speaker 1: wife to give you your allowance early, and we'll put
Speaker 1: Dexter's bag of your money and your bag of money
Speaker 1: up in the air, and we're gonna have a ladder match.
Speaker 1: Winner takes all. So, like, you know, maybe in a vacuum,
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, well, you know this is all making sense,
Speaker 1: it's all playing out, but let's get out of the vacuum.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have MMS and Dexter Loomis in a ladder
Speaker 1: match for two bags of money. Now, granted, I had
Speaker 1: no faith in the n x T Iron Survivor Challenges
Speaker 1: matches and they ended up being really good, both of them,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that I need to have faith
Speaker 1: in this one. I do not think that this could
Speaker 1: possibly be all that good. But I guess we'll find
Speaker 1: out next week, and then I will ask again, can
Speaker 1: we just get this over with? The storyline sucks. I
Speaker 1: know it's playing out. I know there's been a beginning, middle,
Speaker 1: and end, but sometimes you gotta cut bait on the
Speaker 1: story that sucks, and this one's sucking? Am I wrong?
Speaker 1: You're not wrong? And the longer this goes on, the
Speaker 1: longer I don't get a Index reunion and n x
Speaker 1: T where both of those people belong combined with each
Speaker 1: other and we Hadeo Sky versus Candice Larray ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Pretty good match. Eo Moon salted her again. It's just
Speaker 1: like out of nowhere. They did a match. She eat
Speaker 1: her with a move. She starts dragging her to the corner.
Speaker 1: She goes up top. You're waiting for Candice to jump
Speaker 1: up and chop her legs or whatever. Nope, she just
Speaker 1: kept going and did her moving pinder. I like it.
Speaker 1: It's good, okay whatever. It wasn't a bad match at all,
Speaker 1: just came out of nowhere. Again. I'm counting. We need
Speaker 1: levels in that company, you know what I'm saying. We
Speaker 1: need guys who can look. That's one of the biggest
Speaker 1: problems with Austin theory is the fact that they don't
Speaker 1: have enough people like as you go up a mid
Speaker 1: card that actually have any credibility to beat. You know,
Speaker 1: I'd like to think that Candice Lay is somewhere on
Speaker 1: the chart where yeah, she's going to beat Dana Brooke
Speaker 1: every time out. But you know what, when you have
Speaker 1: one half of the women's tag team champions Okay, good,
Speaker 1: you know Sky is a little bit above that. There's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with actually, you know, evening all that out
Speaker 1: in the car, because that's one thing they've been missing.
Speaker 1: Then we had the greatest segment on Raw in months,
Speaker 1: perhaps years, yes, when doing this promo, and who should
Speaker 1: interrupt him but Elias. And that look that I had
Speaker 1: on my face a few minutes ago was the exact
Speaker 1: same look that Kevin Owens had in his face when
Speaker 1: this guy had the nerve to come up with him
Speaker 1: and ask if you would watch his back tonight. And
Speaker 1: Kevin Owens was so gobsmacked and he lost his mind.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe you're asking me to watch your back.
Speaker 1: Have you forgotten the pain and misery that you put
Speaker 1: me through for months? And of course Elias has to
Speaker 1: twist the knife. That wasn't me, that was my brother.
Speaker 1: Now now Kevin's he's totally flipped his lid. And then
Speaker 1: he points out, you know, even if none of that
Speaker 1: ever happened, the last time were in the ring that
Speaker 1: you hit me with a guitar. You broke a guitar
Speaker 1: over my head. Now you want my help, he storms off.
Speaker 1: Elias has to look at his face like huh, might
Speaker 1: have been a bad time to ask, Kevin Owens said,
Speaker 1: storms back in, looks at the guy again to make
Speaker 1: sure this is this actually happened, and then he storms
Speaker 1: off again. I died watching this segment, was dying and
Speaker 1: know what you left out? You know who was suddenly
Speaker 1: brilliant and all of it. Kathy Kelly is awesome because
Speaker 1: Kathy Kelly, as Owens was looking over just dumb straw
Speaker 1: and she's looking over to Alias to everything about it
Speaker 1: was perfect. So then Elias goes to the ring for
Speaker 1: a match with Solo Sakoa. Solo Sakoah kills him him
Speaker 1: and Samy go to kill him more afterwards, who should
Speaker 1: run down to make to say, but Kevin Owens, and
Speaker 1: Kevin Owens starts hitting stunners on on Solo and then
Speaker 1: Eliza is so thankful that he saved him from getting
Speaker 1: his neck broken and he goes to hug Kevin Owens
Speaker 1: and Kevin boots him in the stomach and hits him
Speaker 1: with the stunner. Loved it. I don't see good things
Speaker 1: in Eliza's future, by the way. He Honestly, I never
Speaker 1: thought i'd say this. He was way better off as Ezekiel.
Speaker 1: It's too cold to shave that thing, though, I guess
Speaker 1: kevins Owens is a Hall of Famer. Rha Ripley defeated
Speaker 1: Oscar in a good match. Oscar no longer wears the
Speaker 1: face paint, and they're talking about how she she's lost
Speaker 1: her edge. So hopefully they're not turning her heel as well,
Speaker 1: because we're already going that way with Alexa. But she was,
Speaker 1: she was more violent here and then uh, finally dumb
Speaker 1: jumps up on the apron and she sprayed missed in
Speaker 1: this guy's face, and this place when nuts. They were
Speaker 1: so happy to see this guy get misted and he's
Speaker 1: selling it like he's blind and he can't see. But
Speaker 1: then poor Oscar turns around, gets ripped tided, which is
Speaker 1: not a word, and pinned what ripped? Two ripped teed?
Speaker 1: She got ripped tided? Yeah she did. And how many
Speaker 1: women are going through character transition right now? Alexa? You got, Nikki,
Speaker 1: you got? I mean, there is a bunch of women
Speaker 1: going through probably as many as they're changing in a
Speaker 1: w right now. Actually, they've had about eighty five different turns,
Speaker 1: and then we had, of all people, he's back Dolph
Speaker 1: Ziggler threatens theory brother, I saw it. I'm over it.
Speaker 1: Why are we going back to this, especially because the
Speaker 1: main event is seth Rawbon's Bobby lashing for the number
Speaker 1: one condetor ship. Good match twelve minutes. These guys are great,
Speaker 1: so Lashly almost runs over the ref. The ref bails
Speaker 1: outside to not take a bump, but then he twists
Speaker 1: his anchor like an idiot, and then Lashly spears seth rawlins.
Speaker 1: The ref is too slow to count. Lashly is furious.
Speaker 1: He goes for another spear. He gets pedigreed out of
Speaker 1: thin air, pinned. I guess I don't know if the
Speaker 1: air was thin, but that doesn't matter. He got pinned.
Speaker 1: And then afterwards he's angry at the referee. He's screaming
Speaker 1: at him. Another referee comes down. He accidentally, he accidentally
Speaker 1: hits this referee. Pierce comes out and he's furious and
Speaker 1: he's cutting a promo and Lashly Lashly shoves this guy
Speaker 1: gets fired. Yes, I realized he shoved at him. Peers,
Speaker 1: but he shoved him because his whole thing is so
Speaker 1: dumb that he accidentally hurt a referee and was told
Speaker 1: if you accidentally hurt one again. You will be in big,
Speaker 1: big trouble. I don't like this story back in a
Speaker 1: moment of her live like the show. Bran elbur is
Speaker 1: here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike semper viv also Wrestling Observer
Speaker 1: dot Com. Hey, listen, I make assumptions as well. We
Speaker 1: all do, but don't always make so many assumptions. Okay.
Speaker 1: One of the things on the chat here is, oh,
Speaker 1: it's all the same stuff. Riddle's gone for six weeks. Shots,
Speaker 1: He has gone for six weeks. Lashly has gone for
Speaker 1: six weeks. It's all to get people back for the rumble.
Speaker 1: Hold on, I know that's the assumption. But the Riddle
Speaker 1: is gone for reasons that have nothing to do with storyline. Okay.
Speaker 1: I don't know all the details. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: rumors out there. I don't know what's what, but that's
Speaker 1: why he's gone. Okay, SHOTSI has a broken hand. That's legitimate.
Speaker 1: So that's why she's gone. She may be back six weeks,
Speaker 1: she might not it. And Bobby Lashly, I mean, here's
Speaker 1: the thing. The story was he was fired. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna vanish for six weeks and
Speaker 1: just make a surprise return at the Rumble. I presume
Speaker 1: that this is a storyline that is gonna be playing
Speaker 1: off on TV every week for you know, however long
Speaker 1: to do something between now and the Royal Rumble. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like they're doing the exact same thing and
Speaker 1: a lot of different circumstances. Every circumstances different. So yes,
Speaker 1: m hmm. Do you know that tonight on Vice Vince
Speaker 1: McMahon The Nine Lives ye nine, nine o'clock midnight and
Speaker 1: three am, three times. But what you can do is
Speaker 1: set your d v R for Vice TV and it
Speaker 1: may or on the internet as well for all. But
Speaker 1: I do know it's airing on Vice TV tonight at
Speaker 1: nine midnight and three am. You gotta watch it, Mike,
Speaker 1: I'm going to. Don't we talk about it tomorrow because
Speaker 1: I got you too, TV. I need a hook up
Speaker 1: and I got sling to as a backup because it's, uh,
Speaker 1: you got all the money, It's like it ain't that
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