1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: I never told you protection of iHeart Radio. So October 3 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: is over and that means we should probably stop talking 4 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: about which is for now. But we did have all 5 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: more classes. It's gonna be a Christmas which Oh my gosh, 6 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: is there chrisms Witch there? You're right, Yes, you're right, 7 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. Oh my gosh. Okay, I'm gonna look 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: into that. But I couldn't. It was like, I just 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: couldn't leave the craft out of the mix. I just 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: couldn't do it. Because we've been talking about all of 11 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: these movies. We've done past episodes on about witches, and 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: this one is a popular one. It's one that people 13 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: love that they watch every Halloween. That really meant something 14 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: to a lot of people. And I actually found a 15 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: short story about the effect of the craft and people 16 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: who tried to emulate the craft, and it's it's in 17 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: itself a horror story, which I really enjoyed. So I 18 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: just couldn't leave it out. I'm sorry, I mean not really, 19 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: but I'm a little a little bit um. We just 20 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: have so many things to say about about which is 21 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: in our society and on the show, which you know 22 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: next year in October we're gonna need even more. So 23 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: please keep suggestions coming in around. Yes, all year round, 24 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: because we watch horror all year round, but um, indeed 25 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: more witches. Please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is 26 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff I've never told 27 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: you production of I Heart Radio. It's time for another 28 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: feministe this movie Friday. Yeah yeah, and this time we're 29 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: tackling the long awaited as in a lot of you 30 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: ever questioned it, suggested it cult classic, The Craft, The Craft. 31 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: It was so good too. I just I just forgot 32 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: how good it was. I enjoyed it. I I enjoyed it. 33 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: I hadn't seen it in a long time, and I've 34 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: actually only seen it once previously, maybe like three or 35 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: four years ago. So I had a good time. Yea. 36 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: So it stars Nev Campbell, Rachel True, Robin Tuney and 37 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: Firous A Ball was directed by Andrew Fleming and written 38 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 1: by Peter Falardi, and they actually had a Wiccaned consultant 39 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: on set. Apparently the casting was a bit difficult because 40 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: studios weren't used to seeing films with four main female protagonists. 41 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what I know, despite campaigning very hard 42 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: for a PG thirteen rating, the m p A A 43 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: rated it are because it had teenagers and black magic. 44 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: Oh no, not black magic, and particularly women. But I 45 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: I will say personally, I would say that, And this 46 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: is a good segue into our trigger warning suicide attempts 47 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: rated AR perhaps, but it's I guess it's not super 48 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's just tricky to depict. Again, this 49 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: is ninety six, so of course our variation of what 50 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: should be rated what was a little different at that 51 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: point in time. Too true, Oh, very true. So yeah, 52 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: trigger warning for brief mentions of that abuse and attempted 53 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: rate UM and shout out to you to Skyler and 54 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: LV and others. Maybe there's a lot going on for 55 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: joining us on our Netflix watch party. That was really fun, right, 56 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna try to attempt it again, especially 57 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: UM as we maintain our social distancing and self quarantining. 58 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: Even though people are trying to slowly let people out, 59 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: we will remain. Yeah, I'm staying in. I'm staying in 60 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: the studio. I'm gonna work up my cosplay. I don't 61 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: know if you can see behind me. Samantha, here's my 62 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: my Luke Skywalker cosplay I'm working on. So yeah, we'll 63 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: definitely try to do that again, and especially now that 64 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: we know how to do it, because I've actually that 65 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: was my first time using um Netflix party. I've been 66 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: using things like Senier or to seven where you can 67 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: have the video chat, but this was it was pretty easy. 68 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: Now we know how to do it, so keep an 69 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: eye out for that, right and definitely what a minnisota 70 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: of like nineties a O well chat? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 71 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: which was perfectly love the vibe. Um. And yeah, if 72 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: any any listeners like, just send your suggestions, if there's 73 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: any movie you think would be cool for us to 74 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: watch as an audience together, Um, we're down. Yes. So yeah, 75 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: I missed this when it first came out. I guess 76 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: I would have been an elementary school so it would 77 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: have been weird for me to see it not unheard of. 78 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: But what about you? Do you remember the first time 79 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: you saw it? Smith? Oh? I was sixteen, So yeah, 80 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: I definitely was all about this movie because I love 81 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: the ideas of witches and vampires and all of that, 82 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: the mystics type of thing, So I was I was 83 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: ready of course I was very Christian too, so I 84 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 1: had to hide it from my parents, so I would 85 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: go to friends houses just kind of like MTV. I 86 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: couldn't watch MTV at the house. At my friend's house 87 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: it was playing, so yeah, not MTV. That's Candle Sinful 88 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: Sinful inm TV where they show the bikini bodies. Why, 89 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: oh my god. I remember I wanted to see it 90 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: when I would got older and I would see the 91 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: poster of them kind of like walking out of the 92 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: light and they're in they're kind of gothic but Catholic 93 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: school where I thought, you know what, I need to 94 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: see this from me? Oh yeah, I mean just some 95 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: walking shrutting together in line and in rhythm that makes 96 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: you want to be like, hey, girl, let's practice this 97 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: and we're gonna we're gonna enter this way as well. Yes, 98 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: oh my gosh um. And because of its popularity, it 99 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: is getting an indirect sequel, I think, or I couldn't 100 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: tell if it was a sequel or a remake, but 101 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: something's happening. They're they're doing something with it, right. I 102 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: know there's been a conversation, there's been a conversations of 103 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: a lot of these being remade and or having sequels, 104 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: as we're gonna talk a little bit more about all 105 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,119 Speaker 1: of the remakes is happening. But I did see Balk 106 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: was a part of this one. I would write the sequel, 107 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: I think so, I believe so yeah, Okay, So let's 108 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: let's talk about the plot in case anyone doesn't remember 109 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: hasn't seen it. The plot centers around Sarah Bailey, who 110 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: was played by tuney Um and she's starting at a 111 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: Catholic school and new Catholic school in l A after 112 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: she made a suicide attempt. She makes friends with three outsiders, 113 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: Bonnie played by Campbell, Rochelle played by True, and Nancy 114 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: played by Balk. They believe that Sarah can complete their coven. 115 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: They need four people earth wind Fire and add one 116 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: for each Um and they are nicknamed by others at 117 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: the high school as the bitches of Eastwick. Classy. Yes, 118 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: each are dealing with a specific issue that they're excited 119 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: that maybe magic can solve for them, from physical scars, racism, 120 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: emotional pain, and poverty. And at their most basic, these 121 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: are issues of power, beauty, love and revenge. I guess 122 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: ultimately all of them are power, right and control. Everything 123 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: seems great at first, and they find power and sanctuary 124 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: in their bond, but of course it can't last, as 125 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: Nancy jealous of Sarah's status as a natural, which keeps 126 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: pushing the boundaries of power, rendering their friendship toxic and 127 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: outright dangerous. When Sarah attempts to bind Nancy's powers to 128 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: protect them, the coven turns on her, sending Sarah nightmares 129 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: awful false visions. They threaten her. They set hordes, rats 130 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: and snakes and insects on her. They try to manipulate 131 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: her into believing she was responsible for the deaths in 132 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: her life, including her mom and her like semi would 133 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: be boyfriend who's actually a total jerk. They tried to 134 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: persuade her to take her own life. In retaliation, Sarah 135 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: forces Rochelle and Bonnie to face their worse fears, and 136 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: it's able to successfully bind Nancy's powers. Rochelle and Bonnie, 137 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: now powerless as well, attempts to make amends with Sarah, 138 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: but she rebuffs them. They mock her, calling her powerless 139 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: and response kind of like you know they the backs 140 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: have turned, but they say it loud enough for she 141 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: can hear them. But Sarah proofs that she isn't by 142 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: summoning a lightning strike. Meanwhile, Nancy is confined to a 143 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: psychiatric hospital. End of movie. End of movie. Of course. Um. 144 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: The movie debut tube not so great, kind of okay reviews, 145 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: but over the years has become a cult classic. As 146 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: we can see, there's cosplay and fan fiction and other 147 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: types of fan art and are to dies and according 148 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: to Robin Tuoney, actress Natalie Portman bought a copy of 149 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: The Craft as her guilty pleasure movie to a bachelorette party, 150 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: which I agree with that, and that's how a lot 151 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: of people do see it as a guilty pleasure. I 152 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's somewhat like a girl power 153 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: movie in itself, even though it does have a breakdown 154 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: of girl relationships. But that's the whole thing. Um. And 155 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: it does have that sleepover vibe which I remember something like, 156 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: I believe I was watching it at a sleepover. I 157 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: don't really think about it, um, And in a lot 158 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: of ways it captures sleepover vibes as well, down to 159 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: playing light as a feather, which we actually had that 160 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: discussion in our chat whether or not we'd all played it. 161 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: I think we all tried. None of us were successful, right, 162 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: I'll try, none of us were successful. In case anyone 163 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: doesn't know what this is, I imagine you all do. 164 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:50,359 Speaker 1: But it's sort of a classic sleepover game that usually 165 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: girls play, at least in our media. I don't know 166 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: if that's true. But where you chant light is a 167 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: feather and you that was a board ste it's board 168 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: lizes of feather while one person is lying kind of 169 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: flat on the ground, and each of you has one finger. 170 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: I think if you're doing it correctly, it's supposed to 171 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: be at like every kind of corner. Yeah, but do 172 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: you have one finger underneath? And it is totally possible 173 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: you'll lift the person up, but it feels like you're 174 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: doing you're casting some type of spell, right and unless 175 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: like I think when we did it, I was saying 176 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: that we had fifteen girls around, like a seventy pound 177 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: like fifty pound girl, so we lifted her up, but 178 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't magic right, right, But anyway, it goes to 179 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: the classic slow motion walk we talked about. Through the 180 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: high school scene, they're practically glowing with power and confidence, 181 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: which could be a whole other conversation about them actually 182 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: feeling it more so than the being it, and a 183 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: sharp contrast to how they started out in the movie, 184 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: and all of it down to their friendship. Ultimately, the 185 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: strong bond is eroded and twisted by the external oppressive 186 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: forces that they had used witchcraft to overcome. Symbolic of 187 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: how societal structure so often turned women against each other. 188 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: And this movie came out admits a wave of high 189 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: school coming of age stories, a lot of them cult classics, 190 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: but it stood out in the undertone of darkness in 191 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: comparison to the rest of them. The fashion of most 192 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: of the main cast was kind of gothy, kind of punkish, 193 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: kind of grungy. There weren't many, if any predecessors of 194 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: mainstream dark female empowermount films. It is often compared to 195 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: Heather's Samantha, which I still have not seen, but you have, 196 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: and we could do a virtual party of that, um 197 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: and it's it's often I loved this and a lot 198 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: of articles it was called the anti clueless. Yeah, a 199 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: lot of people and going back and reading reviews, especially 200 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: written you know, after it's been out for a certain 201 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: amount of time, and people reminiscing about what they loved 202 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: about it. A lot of people connected with Nancy specifically, 203 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: at least from the things I read, and she's definitely 204 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:04,359 Speaker 1: the first time you see her, she's just outright derisive 205 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: and sort of over it, and she is full of 206 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: rage and fear and vulnerability. Um, she's lonely, she's in 207 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: an abusive and impoverished household. She's intense and frightening. She 208 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: refuses to be kept from power that has been withheld 209 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: from her her entire life. So I absolutely see why 210 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: people connected with it. And we've talked so many times 211 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: about how women aren't allowed to experience those things a 212 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: lot of time of the rage is not a feminine emotion, 213 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: and she embraces all of that. And of course she 214 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: is the one that ultimately gets super power hungry and 215 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: ends up in a mental asylum, and we're going to 216 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: talk more about what that means. But I totally can 217 00:12:54,480 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: see why people connected with that, especially young girls and women, right, 218 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: And of course this is also can talk about just 219 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: the depression and the anger and the angst and the 220 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: darkness which she was obviously in the embodiment of, while 221 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: Robin Tuney's character was light and bright and all of that, 222 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: but that's the whole other thing. So we're gonna talk 223 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: about themes now. So which is in pop culture which 224 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: I love some witches, which just have often been a 225 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: term for women who, in one way or another does 226 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: not follow society's rules for a lot of your girls. 227 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: Cultural depictions of which is our first depicture of female 228 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: empowerment and feminism. Yes we know, if you're feminist, you 229 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: may be a witch. Start this right. And many of 230 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,599 Speaker 1: these stories, though, the women in question ultimately are punished 231 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: for their search for power, which speaks to again our 232 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: fear around female power and ambition. Oh my gosh, there's 233 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: almost this message of see, little lady, you couldn't handle it. 234 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: All these things holding you back are for your own good. 235 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: So sure you can have some power, but not too much. 236 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: So if you don't conform to the narrow definition and 237 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: rules societ grants you, you will be deemed as mentally 238 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: ill and locked away until you do. So. Get yourself straight, woman, 239 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: because you can't have too much power, because it corrupts you. 240 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: It's right, it's right. The rise in witchcraft happens alongside 241 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: their awakening sexuality, which is something else our society is 242 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: terrified of. I very very much want to do with 243 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: Spoiled Saturday or whatever we arrive at on the Witch. 244 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: I could talk about this forever, forever. Um, we do 245 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: have more to say about which is but first we're 246 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: gonna pause for a quick break for word from our sponsor, 247 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: and we're back, Thank you, sponsor. So something else we 248 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: see with these characters is that they do fall in 249 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: the traps of their wishes and desires and are punished 250 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: for them. This is pretty much any wish movie trope. 251 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: Bonnie's wish for beauty, Foster's narcissism, Sarah's love spell leads 252 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: to an attempted rape, Chelle's revenge spell traumatizes her target, 253 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: and Nancy's for ay with power culminates in the torment, death, 254 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: and dissolution of their coven. I can also see a 255 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: coming of age thing here too, sort of the moral tale. 256 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: Decisions have consequences, but also women going after what they 257 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: want will be punished. There's that going on as well, right, Yeah, 258 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: so of course we couldn't talk about this specific movie 259 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: and less we also talked about the other examples, which 260 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: actually any and I are slowly plotting to do maybe 261 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: like a what triple feature? What's all these because you 262 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: haven't seen all of them. But other examples, between witchcraft 263 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: and magic and women and all of the downfalls of power, 264 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: we can save the practical magic, which is I know 265 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people's favorite I spent a long time 266 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: since I've seen it. All I remember is um Nicole 267 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: Kidman dancing about being wicked in her own way. But 268 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: I know, isn't that the women they can't find love. 269 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: I think like they're cursed and they die or something. 270 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: I don't spent a minute. Well, then people will remember 271 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: to bring it back. Yeah, yeah, which is of Eastwick 272 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: and I love love who does I love watching Susan 273 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: Sorandon chair and Michelle five are going after Jack Nicholson 274 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: in the ultimate way, like it's It's a fantastic movie, 275 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: and I loved all of it. And I don't think 276 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: they were originally witches to begin with until they met 277 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: the devil and Nick Jack Nicholson is the devil. But 278 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: it's a great movie and of course one of my 279 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: all time favorite. The Witches scared the hell out of 280 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: me as a kid. Oh my god. But like Angelica 281 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: Houston taking off her face one of those moments you've 282 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: told me about this and I know I've said before 283 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: the podcast, I never watched this movie even though we 284 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: owned it, because the cover scared me so badly. But 285 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: I bet i'd really like it. I should definitely. Oh. 286 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: I think the one of the reasons I'm afraid of 287 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: like paintings with people in it is because of this movie. 288 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: That is a creepy one. But Ghostbusters too is what 289 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: did that for me? Oh, that's fair, that's fair. Another classic. 290 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: There's also hocus Pocus, which I know I've said before, 291 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: but I watched that movie so many times. It got 292 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: banned from my household when I was eight, and I 293 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: didn't watch it again until college. But now every Halloween, 294 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: of course, gotta watch it. kikiS Delivery Service teen, which 295 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: I've never seen. That one you've never seen ten, which 296 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: that's an eighties classic, late eighties orly nineties classic. That 297 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: one looks much more cheery it is. There's a musical 298 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: number in there only or a dead sequence. I know 299 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: there's something along those lines. Okay, So I did watch 300 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: Charmed to the television show like through its entirety, and 301 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: I had a huge crush. It's really funny because if 302 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: I make a list of all of my fictional crushes 303 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: I've ever had. They're so similar in like their angsty 304 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: heroic ways. They had a huge crush season six Chris 305 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: still remember never forget you, Chris. I can't remember who 306 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: you was. Oh he he probably was a terrible, terrible character. 307 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: Interesting writing for him, for sure. But I liked the 308 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: angsty plotline that was all about that. But I I 309 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: have not seen the reboot, but I've heard good things 310 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: that's currently on. I've actually watched. I watched the whole reboot, 311 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: and I did like it. I liked some of the 312 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: ideas behind it. I think it was such a I remember, like, 313 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: I need to go back and watch it. Some of 314 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: the acting is not great, um, but I do love 315 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: that the majority of the women were people of color, 316 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: so it was women of color and I love that. 317 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: So it was a beautiful take on that whole change 318 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: as well. And I really did appreciate how they flipped that. Um. 319 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: It was interesting to see because it was definitely kind 320 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: of like how I know we're gonna talk about it, 321 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: Minna Sabrina. It twisted it to be a little bit darker, 322 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: even more so than the original Charmed. Even though the 323 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: original charm was getting pretty dark. It was kind of 324 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: like getting to the Buffy level of darkness to the end. Yeah. 325 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: I always liked in Charmed how they kind of sugarcoated 326 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: what they did and they would call killing vanquishing, which 327 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: I suppose, yes, but I remember being young and thinking 328 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: because I had to look it up, and I'm like, oh, well, okay, okay, whatever, 329 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: one more thing on Charm before we move on. I 330 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: did read a lot of critiques that Charmed is essentially 331 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: a straight rip off of the Craft down to the 332 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: They even used the same song that the Craft used 333 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: they used as their theme song. That makes sense, I 334 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: can see it. Even some of the actors were like, Charmed, 335 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: what what are you doing? There's Willow and Buffy who 336 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: One of my favorite episodes of Buffy is when she 337 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: goes evil and like almost destroys the planet. I love 338 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: that episode. Oh yes, I just remember she was one 339 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: of the first characters that actually had same sex relationship. Yeah, 340 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: it was one of the first same sex kisses on 341 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: mainstream television, I believe. Also, yeah, I guess Tara she 342 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: was a witched to. Tara was a witch, and that's 343 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: kind of how she came into her own right. Tara 344 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: kind of helped her into that. Yeah, yeah, I remember 345 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: this other shows which we I actually have my uh 346 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: Sam and Dean Winchester candles litch that Adye gave me. 347 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: But Rowena in Supernatural. I think she's probably one of 348 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: the more fun witches that I've seen God depicted because 349 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: she is delightfully uh evil, yeah, but charmingly so, so 350 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Bonnie in The Vampire Diaries, which I've 351 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: never seen any of those, surprisingly, were you an extra? Yeah, 352 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: but like we spent sixteen hours shooting that scene and 353 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: then they got it. But I got a guy like 354 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: I was some girl that ran into I think his 355 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: name was Steve. He was one of the hot vampires 356 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: at their ties themed prom and the actors like she 357 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: supposed to run into me. I was like, yeah, oh, 358 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: you're not like that. Someone didn't read their script. Um 359 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, which fantastic. I haven't watched the 360 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: newest season. I didn't hear too many great reviews of 361 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: the newest season, but it's definitely very dark. American horror 362 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: story Covin, which is probably one of my favorite seasons 363 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: of American horse story. I haven't seen Apocalypse, but it 364 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: does have witches in it as well, which makes sense. 365 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: They all because I saw the first few episodes and yeah, 366 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: like they're steampunk ready to go, I think interesting. Okay, okay, uh. 367 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: The Witch, which I've already brought up, and I love 368 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: that movie. I love, love love it. It's so good. 369 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: The Wizard of Oz, um and Wicked, Maleficent, Harry Potter 370 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: of course, and Chronicles of Narnia, The White Witch. Yes, um, 371 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: and just throw it there once upon a time, obviously 372 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: several different witches in there. Um who you also have 373 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: the good versus evil and what is actually good? What 374 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: is evil? Yeah, it is just kind of fun to see. 375 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: I definitely feel like um. And in our famous pop 376 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: culture examples of which is there are two main threads 377 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: and this is simplifying, but empowerment and punishment. Many early 378 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: witches were depicted as evil, power hungry, coming for your 379 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: children so they can stay young, often in ways that 380 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: we as an audience could laugh at and be a 381 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: little nervous of. At the same time, She's sinister, but 382 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: let's laugh at her. Um. Maybe I've head him too 383 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: deeply into it. I don't know, but it sort of 384 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: seems like we're saying don't trust women, but also don't 385 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: take them seriously because ultimately they're not really a threat. 386 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: I don't right. Also, the whole only bad, which is 387 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: are ugly. She even says that directly in the Wizard 388 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: of oz Um. Yeah yeah, yeah, um. A lot of 389 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: our earlier renditions of which is aimed at them. We 390 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: all know the image of sort of an old hag 391 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: green skin, yeah right, I mean, once upon a time, 392 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: that's exactly how they do it. Her envy turns her green, 393 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: and so she looks a little more. Yeah like it's 394 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: kind of her jealousy. So therefore that's why she becomes green. So, 395 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: and if we take a look at the motivations, a 396 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: lot of them are stereotypical things associated with women, youth 397 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: and love. But some of them, especially the more modern ones, 398 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: are all about finding power in a patriarchal system, which 399 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: he that's how you see Rowena is supernatural. She comes 400 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: in going after pimps. Yeah, it was really it's really interesting. 401 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: She's badass um. So, which is are having a cultural moment, 402 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: and I think it's like oft and on, they always 403 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: are in something at some point in time. Cyclical and 404 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: there are a lot of articles about why that is. 405 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: Many see it as a direct result of a slew 406 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: of public and painful instances of misogyny, a manifestation of 407 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: female rage and the desire of empowerment and the feeling 408 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: of control, because as we see in the news today, 409 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: as long as we've been fighting for this, it still 410 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: hasn't happened. Yeah, so of course we're going to see 411 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: where we have a fantasy level, I think of trying 412 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: to see that in reality and embracing the scarier side 413 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: of femininity and not caring if it makes people scared 414 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: or uncomfortable. Finally getting to the point of the rage 415 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: is okay to a certain extent, And a lot of 416 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: these which just have a strong sense of community to 417 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: one that lists them up and makes them stronger, which 418 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: is a key for movements looking to implement structural change 419 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: like feminism, and if we look at the sixties and 420 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: second wave feminism, it coincides with one of the first 421 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: ways of our cultural interests, of which is things like 422 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: but which and the organization Women's International Tears, Conspiracy from Hell, 423 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: the u I T C H WHICH, And then during 424 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: the third wave we see another rise in which is 425 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: in our pop culture Charmed Buffy, Sabrine of the teenage, 426 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: which practical magic, the craft, and so on and now 427 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: and what some might call the fourth wave, we see 428 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: another researcher is of pop cultural which is right. So, 429 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: for an example, in the first episode of the Rebootage 430 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: Charmed the three Vanquist short kill a college professor who 431 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: is also a misogynist, demon and sexual predator. American horror 432 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: story tackled a storyline of a man coming over and 433 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: stealing the power traditionally held by women. And then on 434 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: Netflix's Chilling Adventures of Sabrina Sabrina and her Fellow, which 435 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: is frequently outright question the patriarchal system, directly calling attention 436 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: to it. Sabrina herself is determined to infiltrate the male 437 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: run world and take it on, unwilling to be a 438 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: servant in the system, determined to make her one right. Yeah, 439 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: so she's like, I'm so kind of confused by it, 440 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: but she's her dad's like, you're gonna serve by my side, 441 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: and she says, no, not really into that. But you 442 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: also see the Aunties doing the same thing within the 443 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: school system. She comes in, it's like done with this patriarch, 444 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna take it and'm gonna shift to and women 445 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: are gonna lead, and want to see how that changes 446 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: the concepts. And then I was thinking about Charmed at 447 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: the very beginning actually follows me to moment at the college, 448 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: and that's how it begins, is the mother of the 449 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: three is one of the ones that's pushing or at 450 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: least encouraging the girl to report and and it also 451 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: being her support system as well. So it was an 452 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: interesting look for sure. It totally makes sense to me 453 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: that when we're seeing all of these instances of injustice 454 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: in the news, that the appeal of which is kind 455 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: of having that power to fight these things and that community, honestly, 456 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: because that is a huge part in so many of 457 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: these right, And so is sisterhood and friendships, which brings 458 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: us to the next thing we want to discuss. But 459 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: first it brings us to one more quick break for 460 00:26:52,760 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, m and we're back that 461 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: you sponsor. So yeah, another theme of the craft and 462 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: of a lot of those examples we just mentioned is 463 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: the power of female friendships and support groups and community 464 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: and seeing that power as a force for good and 465 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: a source of power, but also as something that can 466 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: be toxic. In the arc of the Craft, we get 467 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: to see the power of female friendships and the pain 468 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: of its downfall, particularly through the lens of teenagers. We 469 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: see the happiness and strength they get through each other, 470 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: and the power of them working together, right, but we 471 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: also see jealousy and the discarding of friendship in the 472 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: face of power. Young girls have so many rules in play, 473 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: so many consequences that they face that their male counterparts don't. 474 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: Of course, the power to do something without consequence is 475 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: tending them, offering a feeling of liberation. Right. We see 476 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,719 Speaker 1: examples of the issues young women face when Chris played 477 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: by Skeet old rich Uh spreads the rumor that he 478 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: had sex with Sarah and she wasn't good at it. 479 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: After Sarah says she's not ready for sex on the 480 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: previous night on a on a day, and he acts 481 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: like he's totally cool with it. But then she shows 482 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: up at school and she hears these things he's saying 483 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: about her. She confronts him and he gaslights her, telling 484 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: her no sane person would want to be with her 485 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: and that he would never be interested in her again. Right. 486 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: The scene at the end where Rochelle and Bonnie offer 487 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: an insincere apology to get power felt really reminiscent of 488 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: female friendship power dynamics, especially at that age of pretending 489 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: to be someone's friend and then trash talking them behind 490 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: their back. And I'm sure a lot of young women 491 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: and girls recognize these the pitfalls, like the how beautiful 492 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: female friendship can be, but the the pit falls that 493 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: are there too. And I just remember being at big 494 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: sleepovers where you'd sort of have people that you were 495 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: really close with and then other people that you weren't 496 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: that close with, and this knowledge of they're probably talking 497 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: about me behind right back. Oh yeah. I definitely have 498 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: moments that I remember, specific incidents where one friend of 499 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: mine who was supposed to be close, she and I 500 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: were hanging out and I said something and she must spoke, 501 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: and she took it and twisted it and told her 502 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: friends that I was being mean, and so they rode 503 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: my bus. I'm not gonna hear them talking about me. 504 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: I remember that to this day. It's devastating. It's devastating, 505 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: and these things are difficult to navigate just because high school, 506 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: middle school, in high school, it's such a social dynamics 507 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: and power structures are very weird, right right, And we 508 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: all know bullys and cliques and groups they existed. They 509 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: may have existed differently for different people. I know my 510 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: like little group that wasn't really that level um of 511 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: like athletes versus this and this. That wasn't the thing. 512 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,959 Speaker 1: But there was definitely still clicks and popular kids who 513 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: were jerks. I still remember that too, so, but we 514 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: did want to mention one of the things that happened 515 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: with a lot of movies, with a lot of cultural 516 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: things that are happening today, just racism in general. Rachel 517 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: True has been really outspoken about how she feels as 518 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: the character and an actress. She said that she was 519 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: valued less because she was black. She wasn't included in 520 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: all the press jectives, even though the three other white 521 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: actresses were. And the same with the MTV Movie Awards, 522 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: a scene with her parents was cut from the film. 523 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: All all the other characters had scenes with our parents, 524 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: which shows a little more depth and background. Um and 525 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: True told complex. Nancy is dealing with poverty and abuse, 526 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: Bonnie has burns, Sarah has a suicidal past, and me, 527 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm just black. Um, I'm still the black best friend. 528 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: I'm still that tripe to a certain extent, even in 529 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: the craft. And actually she just recently tweeted about this 530 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: due to the fact that people had mentioned the movie 531 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: and the characters and they even forgot her name, like 532 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: her name or they didn't even bother to look up 533 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: her actual name while naming all the other actresses, but her, 534 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: she's like to see, right, there's another example of how 535 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm being a race from one of the movies that 536 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: I started, Yeah, and an extremely popular and well loved 537 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: right right, Yeah. I remember the first time I saw it, 538 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: I was shocked that they just faced that head on, right, 539 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: and it does again. It's just we need more representation 540 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: because there's space for that story. But then there should 541 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: be so much more nuance and complexities and so much more, 542 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: so many more stories out there. And I felt like 543 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,479 Speaker 1: this was the only character that she felt guilty, truly 544 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: guilty for things that were happening. And again that puts 545 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: it back onto a person of color, the black woman, 546 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: to feel like she needs to change something, but she 547 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: did something wrong when actuality she was the victim. But 548 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: I feel like that was the only case that I 549 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: saw that in the entirety of the movie. Sure, powder corrupts, 550 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: but you don't see guilt, you don't see blame. And 551 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: somehow this twisted this again back on her. Yeah, which 552 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: says a lot, and that happens a lot within shows 553 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: and movies. It does, it does. Um, and I'm glad 554 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: we're making progress. But again, this movie came out, so 555 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: she's still being a race today exactly. Um. But yeah, 556 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: that's kind of what we have to say about The Craft. 557 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it or inspired to rewatch it, 558 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: it is on Netflix if you have Netflix, and I 559 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: would recommend it. I had good time. Yeah, actually, definitely 560 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: go watch it. Let us know what your thoughts are. 561 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: Those who are actually identifying as witches and believe this 562 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: is a part of your lifestyle. Tell us what we 563 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: see is wrong, is right? You know, give us a 564 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: heads up. I was taying that I was trying to 565 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: figure out terra cards and I'm learning those, but I'm 566 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: very slow at it. It seems like it's a little complicated. 567 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: It's not something you just stick up complicated. Yeah, that's 568 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: a good quarantine skill to learn. I like that, all right. 569 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I'm very intuitive, so 570 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: I feel like this should be up my alley. I'm 571 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: just gonna have to learn the cards. That's all, just 572 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: all ten thousand of them and many millions of combos. 573 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: It's fine. You need to take a video and show 574 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: it to me because I just love the art of it. Um. Yeah, yeah, 575 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: So that's your homework, Samantha, I got it. Um for 576 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: the rest to come, a witch, I'm sure I am 577 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: almost positive you've been called which before in your life. Um. 578 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, for for you listeners, please keep the movie 579 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: and book suggestions coming, um and any watch party ideas. 580 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: We are all ears. Um. You can email us at 581 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: Stuff Media, mom Stuff at iHeart media dot com. 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