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Speaker 1: thought so all along, but now we know. We know

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace joining us right now is

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Speaker 1: a very special guest. It is Julie Row. Julie is

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Speaker 1: a former friend of cult leader Chad Day Bell. She

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Speaker 1: the author and founder of the Greater Tomorrow Relief Fund,

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Speaker 1: and that relief fund helps create safe houses for human

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Speaker 1: trafficking victims. To be applauded, I may add, Julie Rowe,

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to talk to you because you are

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Speaker 1: Day Bell. Let's just start at the beginning, Julie Row.

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Speaker 1: In the process of Chad Day Bell publishing many of

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Speaker 1: your books, you become friends with Tammy Day Belle and

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Speaker 1: predicted Tammy's death? Yes, about three years before she died.

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Speaker 1: plan was that she'd passed through the side of the

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Speaker 1: vale within five years or so. I never said anything

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Speaker 1: described a scene in a minute. When was that? That

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Speaker 1: in the summer of twenty eighteen. In twenty seventeen, when

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Speaker 1: to my knowledge, I never heard of him knowing Laurie

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Speaker 1: to my books. Let me ask you this. So Chad

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Speaker 1: It's basically a life, a life on earth, or you

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Speaker 1: Bill think you were one of his past wives too? Yes?

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Speaker 1: And now you're telling me that about Melanie. How did

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Speaker 1: mold out all kinds of women coming after him, all

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Speaker 1: kinds of women because he's miss using his spiritual gifts,

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Speaker 1: which is what Satan does. People that follow Satan the

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Speaker 1: occult have spiritual gifts. Why he sucks them in with

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Speaker 1: his gifts and he uses it as a control in

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Speaker 1: my manipulation tactic. I can learn from you what may

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Speaker 1: have been his mo So he says you were one

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Speaker 1: of his, you were a wife in a past life.

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Speaker 1: What did he want from that? Did he want to

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Speaker 1: rekindle a sex relationship? I don't know, because he didn't.

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Speaker 1: He never said, and I didn't ask, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: want to know. What did he say? How do you

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Speaker 1: tell somebody? How do you break it to him you

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Speaker 1: were married in a past life? I don't remember. He

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Speaker 1: had He had been testing, like asking questions, And he

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Speaker 1: had this necklace that he said he found One time

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Speaker 1: he told me he found it on a church bench,

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Speaker 1: then he found it in the library church, and then

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Speaker 1: one time he said it was an old necklace of

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Speaker 1: Tammy's that he found. He gave me three different stories

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Speaker 1: on the necklace, but he would use it like a pendulum.

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Speaker 1: And it was an owl necklace, which I also know

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Speaker 1: as an accult symbol. So I don't and I always

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Speaker 1: told him I don't like that necklace, and you can

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Speaker 1: get fault answers by using plenties. He would swing it

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Speaker 1: back and forth, yeah, and he would he would neutralize it,

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Speaker 1: and then he'd swing it to try to get a

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Speaker 1: yes or no. And I would tell him all the time.

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Speaker 1: I would sit there and use my gifts when we

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Speaker 1: would when we would discuss, you know, things like um, am,

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Speaker 1: I seeing correctly, um X y and Z right, And

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Speaker 1: I would never tell him what I was actually sing

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Speaker 1: in my head, but he would always ask it with

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Speaker 1: me there. He'd try to get me to say it,

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Speaker 1: and then he'd use his necklace and then he would

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Speaker 1: get an answer. And sometimes I'd go, I guess it worked.

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Speaker 1: But most of the time I'd say, I don't like

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Speaker 1: your necklace. Julie, you have to promise me something. When

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Speaker 1: Tammy Daville finally tells you how she died, you have

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Speaker 1: to call me. I need to know I will. I will,

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Speaker 1: and I am clairvoyant, and I don't want to be

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Speaker 1: wrapped up in the legal issue. But I don't know

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Speaker 1: how I won't be. But I would testify in court

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Speaker 1: if Tammy told me right. If anybody knows me, they

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Speaker 1: know I speak truth at all costs. I will do

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Speaker 1: everything I can to see justice. I am absolutely sick

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Speaker 1: to my stomach at what's gone on. I am concerned.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us and we wait as

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Speaker 1: just as some faults. Thank you, Julie, Thank you,