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Speaker 3: Problem solved touchdown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 3: Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is.

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Speaker 3: By Budda Baker like a torpedo. He came flying into

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Speaker 3: Since i feel like I'm in slow motion coming off vacation,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw out a question right here off the

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Speaker 3: top of Cardinals Underground. Basically, this is my way of

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Speaker 3: putting the ball in your core. Danny Surrec Darren Urban

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Speaker 3: Poly podcast over here. Okay, less I do probably the

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Speaker 3: more better. We're off to just bludgeon the English language

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Speaker 2: That was pretty imps Yeah, impressed.

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Speaker 3: I like using the words more better at times, just

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Speaker 3: to make sure you see if everybody's paying attention. If

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Speaker 3: nothing else, Okay, you know it was a good vacation

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Speaker 3: when fill in the blank.

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Speaker 4: You come back to work with a mustache.

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Speaker 2: That I should have seen that would you really should

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Speaker 2: have because it can always Let's just let's just make

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Speaker 2: this clear. I do not have a mustache. I am

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Speaker 2: incapable of growing decent facial hair, so I did not

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Speaker 4: Much Should I make a clear eye too and mustache less.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably that's probably a good idea.

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Speaker 3: But Darren being incapable of growing the mustache didn't stop me.

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Speaker 3: That's the way most people would react because mine is

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Speaker 3: pathetic because it can always get worse. It does with yours, truly,

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Speaker 3: because I just tried to lamely attempt to grow this mustache.

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Speaker 3: Get a walk back.

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Speaker 2: How long? How long have you been doing? Well?

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Speaker 3: See, I couldn't grow with the first week of vacation

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Speaker 2: Because I've seen you with the full growth and you

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Speaker 2: do a fairly good job like me, not good. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's a good vacation when the temperature is not one

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a sobering moment getting off the plane

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Speaker 3: last night. There's no doubt about that. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: a good vacation. When I came into work this morning

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Speaker 3: a good indication. Actually I got away, you know, I

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Speaker 3: got away from work. I mean literally the password that

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Speaker 3: the last six months, I couldn't remember it there for

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Speaker 3: a moment. And by the way, speaking of the temperatures

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Speaker 3: in the flight, we liked to bag on Phoenix. High temperatures. Right,

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Speaker 2: As the day of this recording, we officially set a

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Speaker 3: Okay, So once again we like to bag on it,

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Speaker 3: but do you ever have that reaction when someone else

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Speaker 3: really chatty Southwest flight attendants who just couldn't resist the microphone,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've sort of like, you know, you can pick.

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Speaker 3: On your little brother, but when somebody else picks on

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Speaker 2: Out, that's fair. I think that's fair.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't serve anyone, especially when you have in a mustache.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Oh okay. Speaking of viral, there were two things.

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Speaker 2: Flight plan, right, that's true.

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Speaker 3: I mean it really from the outside looking in and

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Speaker 4: Well, it was the first time we've really heard Kyler

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Speaker 4: I mean coincidentally came out around the time of Quarterback.

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Speaker 4: lots of quarterback talk. But yeah, it was the first

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Speaker 3: And you know what, that gave me pause too. I

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Speaker 3: we had not heard from Kyler since before the New

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Speaker 2: Correct, Wow, that keeps close tabs on that kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: I was, Yes, that is remarkable in its own sense.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a franchise quarterback who had not

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Speaker 3: discussed the injury and length anything, the highest paid player

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Speaker 3: we'd heard from him on a number of those key topics.

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Speaker 3: Where do you start, honestly, where do you guys start?

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Speaker 3: What were the key takeaways for you? Darren? You wrote

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Speaker 2: Or I did well. I did write a couple of things,

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Speaker 2: and it was interesting because I many of the I

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Speaker 2: that did benefit and I was able to write. And

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Speaker 2: it's some of the things I put in my original

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Speaker 2: That's just how it goes.

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Speaker 3: Because you were willing to go to Hawaii to ask

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Speaker 2: I would have been willing to go to if somebody

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Speaker 2: something like that. But anyways, what really caught me when

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Speaker 2: I watched flight Plan, aside from the quotes at first,

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Speaker 2: But when I watched flight Plan, I think the one

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Speaker 2: because he was always either playing football or baseball, or

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Speaker 2: the fact he really loves shopping. I mean, the reality

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Speaker 2: What does that have to do with his comeback or

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Speaker 2: curious to know we just talked about like him not

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Speaker 2: terms of Kyler being a little bit more out there. Now,

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Speaker 2: we'll see guys that are hurt frequently don't talk to

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Speaker 2: the media until they're healthy again. And that's just not Kyler.

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Speaker 2: That's been everybody, And you could make that argument he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a there were a few moments where

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Speaker 3: was you know, what else do you like to do? Chess?

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Speaker 3: Obviously he's very skilled at that. He likes to play

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Speaker 3: definitely not the case. But there are a couple of

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Speaker 4: No, I agree, And when he was talking about playing

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Speaker 4: I think it was interesting to get an insight behind

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Speaker 4: the work Kyler has been doing that we have heard

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Speaker 4: from this coaching staff, from his teammates that he's been

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Speaker 4: still prioritizing that rehab. We got a small look at

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Speaker 4: type of injury and coming back and not wanting to

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Speaker 4: rush things, I mean that I feel like you heard

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Speaker 4: he be a better leader and understanding that it's not

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Speaker 4: a blanket type of leadership for everybody in the locker room,

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Speaker 4: Understanding which team mates can take that hard criticism, who

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Speaker 4: needs less of the criticism and more in the encouragement

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Speaker 4: And I also thought it was really interesting and maybe

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Speaker 3: You know, Carson Palmer and Kurt Warner correct me if

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Speaker 3: I'm wrong. Dinner were excellent at knowing which guys needed

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Speaker 3: Refresh our memories. If he's on PUP before camp begins,

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Speaker 2: Okay, So here's how the pup physically unable to perform works.

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Speaker 3: So that's a question We can answer. Here's another question

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Speaker 3: here we go. Well, his style of play prolong his recovery,

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Speaker 4: I think so. I think if Kyler feels in the

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Speaker 2: Okay, So here's how I kind of interpret that number. One.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's going to be mentally one hundred

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Speaker 2: But when that is, I think that's a big mystery.

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Speaker 4: He is saying a lot by not saying a lot

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Speaker 4: he also had earlier. I mean, without being around the bush.

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Speaker 4: It it sounds like there were a lot of problems

436
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 4: internally between coaching staff, front office, and how your franchise

437
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 4: quarterback felt. I think it's been clear the way that

438
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 4: Jonathan Gannon and Manti Austin for it and the staff

439
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,640
Speaker 4: they have put together have meshed with this team so far,

440
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 4: and that was also highlighted in Flight Plan. It wasn't

441
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 4: just Kyler Murray's recovery. We also got to see him

442
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 4: go back to Norman, Oklahoma and watch his heisman statue

443
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 4: be unveiled and be surprised by his new general manager,

444
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 4: head coach, some of the staff, which of course took

445
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:38,120
Speaker 4: unnecessary flat leading up to the draft. Keaven forbid four

446
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 4: hours to fly their support your quarterback and fly back anyway.

447
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 4: But to see Kyler's reaction and hear him talk about

448
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 4: that support and how much that meant to him. And

449
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,120
Speaker 4: that was in April, so the staff had been put

450
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 4: together for not even what maybe four weeks at that point,

451
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 4: and to have them already make that effort for the

452
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:02,719
Speaker 4: franchise quarterback. It was encouraged to hear and see that

453
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 4: reaction and how it feels like around the building that

454
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 4: everybody is meshing and working towards the same goal and

455
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Speaker 4: a little more cohesiveness now.

456
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Speaker 3: Because when he used the phrase we hit a wall

457
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 3: last year, that was the other thing that stood out

458
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 3: to me. I gotten better each of my first three years.

459
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 3: We hit a wall last year. You didn't really define that. Obviously,

460
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 3: you can look at the win loss record. Maybe that's

461
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 3: all he meant, But maybe to Danny's point, he was

462
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 3: talking about other aspects. What hit a wall exactly? Was

463
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 3: it the lack of accountability what the owner, Michael Bidwell

464
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 3: cited in making the coaching change quote, we have an

465
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 3: accountability problem, and then went about his search and hired

466
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 3: maniasin Fort and Jonathan Gannon. Mani's famous quoted his introductory

467
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 3: press conference ego will not be tolerated. So when he

468
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 3: says we hit a wall, what exactly did that refer to?

469
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 3: Was it strictly just the win loss record or dot dot?

470
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 3: Did it go beyond that? With other dynamics responsible for

471
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 3: the poor performance last year?

472
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Speaker 4: I would feel like they're probably pretty correlated from at

473
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 4: least gathering what reading between the lines of what it

474
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 4: sounds like what we've heard from different people throughout the

475
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 4: off season. It feels correlated because.

476
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Speaker 3: Here's my other theory. You guys, you know, learned this

477
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 3: long enough. I think I've warmed up a little bit,

478
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 3: knocked off some of the rusts, so you know, it's

479
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 3: time for a theory around here. From Calvic Consulting, I

480
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 3: would say, and you heard Kyler at one point reference

481
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield the whole Oklahoma thing, right, And by the way,

482
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 3: how many speeches does he have to give Norman Oklahoma

483
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 3: speak of Oh you what was the over under o you?

484
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 3: On the number of speeches he had to give? I

485
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: mean they put him to work. I mean he's talking

486
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 3: to all these different crowds and booster meetings in the

487
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 3: stadium and everything. So it was far from just showing

488
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 3: up and you know, shaking a few hands. Anyway, talked

489
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 3: about Baker Mayfield. So what has happened to Baker Mayfield

490
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 3: ever since he had four years in the league. Well,

491
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 3: he's currently on his fourth NFL team. Things fell apart

492
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: for Baker Mayfield. One minute, You're Heisman Trophy winner next minute,

493
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 3: you're the number one pick in the draft. Then all

494
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you're leading the team to the playoffs.

495
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 3: You are the toast of Cleveland. Playoff win, you beat

496
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 3: the Steelers, and in a span of about eighteen months,

497
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 3: it all fell apart for Baker Mayfield. So my theory

498
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 3: is that among all these other aspects of everything, quote

499
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 3: hitting a wall, guess what one of his best friends,

500
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 3: one of his mentors in a way, a guy he

501
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 3: would compete against at Oklahoma, and a guy maybe he's

502
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 3: patterned a lot of his own career like Baker Mayfield,

503
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: who's a couple of inches taller than him and has

504
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 3: got it done for a lot of years. All of

505
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 3: a sudden, went from Cleveland to Carolina to the Rams.

506
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 3: Now he's with Tampa. Sparn with the media over the

507
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 3: absence of Tom Brady already this week. I don't know

508
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 3: how that's gonna trend, but I just think if you're

509
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray, you can't help but look at the guy

510
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 3: who's been a step ahead of you in the career

511
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 3: timeline every step of the way and realize this could

512
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 3: be fleeting.

513
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 2: I would agree with that to a certain extent. Here's

514
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:20,719
Speaker 2: why I pause, because Kyler got paid. I mean, I

515
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: don't think this is going to happen. But for the

516
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: argument's sake, here, if Kyler completely flames out and all

517
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: of a sudden becomes a journeyman, he's always going to

518
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 2: have that money in his pocket, which Baker didn't get

519
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: because he never got that new contract and it didn't

520
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: work out for him, and which was quite frankly, one

521
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: of the reasons it was so important for Kyler to

522
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 2: get the contract when he got.

523
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 3: It, so it was much easier for the Browns to

524
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: part ways, I think.

525
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 2: So. I think the other thing, too, is I agree.

526
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 2: I think they obviously have a good relationship and there's

527
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: a certain mentor aspect to it. But I also believe

528
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: that Kyler strongly believes he's his own guy, and I

529
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if you got Kyler to speak honestly,

530
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: he always thought he was better than Baker, and there's

531
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with that.

532
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's an example of what could happen

533
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 3: because there are a lot of career parallels.

534
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look at this point, and this is

535
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: why he has to play this year, is because that's

536
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: what everybody's waiting on. That's what kind of what he's

537
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: waiting to see on. You have a new coaching staff

538
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,239
Speaker 2: and a new GM that really aren't married to you. Now,

539
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: obviously the contract makes it a little bit more difficult

540
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: in terms of that relationship, but they're not the ones

541
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: that drafted you. They're trying to rebuild this from the

542
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 2: ground up, and so he's got something to prove to

543
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: those guys. He's got something to prove to the coach.

544
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: And you know, Jonathan Gannon came in and MANI asked

545
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: for to a little lesser extent, but Jonathan Gannon came

546
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: in knowing he had something to prove to Kyler. I

547
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: need to be on the right side with this guy.

548
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: I need to connect with this guy. Kyler said that.

549
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 2: That's what's happened, and so now it's Kyler's turn whenever

550
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: he gets on the field to hold up his end

551
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: of the bargain.

552
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 3: Good stuff, though, Kyler on the training table literally wincing

553
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: as they're administering treatment and therapy and he's answering questions.

554
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,239
Speaker 2: It is funny when you hear that, and it's like this,

555
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 2: that's the one problem with video that like Arizona Sports

556
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 2: was playing the heck out of all that sound, and

557
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: when there's no context, it just sounds funky when yes,

558
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: like or when he's talking when he's getting his beard

559
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: trimmed or haircut, but like when he's wincing and he's

560
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: pausing and you're like, why that's an odd place to pause,

561
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 2: and it's because he was doing his rehab at the

562
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: same time.

563
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 3: As Danny mentioned earlier, is there a hotter TV production

564
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: on the planet right now than Quarterback on Netflix? It's

565
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 3: just great stuff. It takes you inside and you know what.

566
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 3: You also mentioned Kevin Murray, who obviously has been a

567
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: driving force in his son's life, in his career, but

568
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 3: at least to my recollection or my consumption of Cardinals

569
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 3: coverage over the last four years in Kyler's career. I

570
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 3: remember him on Draft night. I think remember him at

571
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: the contract press. I'm not sure I really personally had

572
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: ever heard from Kevin Murray, and to hear him talk

573
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: to the cameras and the quote I have right here

574
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 3: where he said he looked at the camera, said the

575
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: best of Kyler has yet to come, and then said

576
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 3: it again, repeated it a couple of times for emphasis,

577
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 3: The best of Kyler is yet to come. Very interesting.

578
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: I wonder, well, were you expecting him to say something different?

579
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 3: Well, it was almost like he was promising, bowing guaranteed,

580
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: almost like it went beyond just okay, he's my son

581
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 3: and you know, maybe you know in terms of promotion.

582
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: It was almost like he knew something that you know.

583
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 3: Once again, getting back to the hit a wall, was

584
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 3: there something that had held him back? Because the other

585
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: quote that got a lot of run right was the

586
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: one where he said, and if it's not working, we

587
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 3: have to blow it up or whatever money your yeah?

588
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 3: So was that a reference to the Cardinal's late season

589
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: fades in twenty twenty twenty one where we talked about

590
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 3: and all the Cardinals broadcasts adjust to the adjustment what

591
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: happened in December and January of those seasons where it

592
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: looked like the Cardinals offense had stalled out? Was it

593
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 3: a schematic adjustment by NFL defensive coordinators and was there

594
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: a failure the Cardinals to react accordingly on offense in

595
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 3: terms of their scheme and what they're running and calling.

596
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, just the just.

597
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: The bravado with which the dad looked at the cameras

598
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: and said the best of Kyler has yet to come.

599
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: I found that intriguing.

600
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 4: This sounds cynical. I also think with the situation, you

601
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 4: have no choice but to have that outlook. Kyler was

602
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 4: referencing that as well when saying, you know, the time

603
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: has come to move on from being sad about this

604
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 4: and pouting about it. That happened when you know the

605
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 4: few weeks after the injury and I, you know, was

606
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 4: having to do a little rehab before having surgery. Like,

607
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 4: now what's done is done, and I have no choice

608
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 4: but to turn this into a positive in the sense

609
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 4: of working hard, being better than I ever have, and

610
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: putting work into this and making that hard work that

611
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 4: effort worth it. So while I love hearing Kyler's father

612
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 4: and you know, his coach who he trains with in

613
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 4: the off season, who's been there every step of his

614
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 4: career saying that and emphatically saying that the best of

615
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray has yet to come, I do think that's

616
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 4: the mindset that you just have to have. And it

617
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 4: sounds like that's what Kyler has. But you He's right,

618
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 4: Kyler's right, you have n't a choice at this point.

619
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 4: You can't lament about the injury and then use it

620
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 4: as an excuse. I mean plenty of players have had

621
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 4: that injury, plenty of quarterbacks and have come back. Look

622
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 4: at Joe Burrow. So there's no choice you have but

623
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 4: to be positive and to find a way to use

624
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 4: this in your favor.

625
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: In fact, I found the quote here I was kind

626
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 3: of talking about where Kyler said in Flight Plan. Once again,

627
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 3: the whole last year was bleep. It happened for a

628
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: reason that things we were doing weren't sustainable for success.

629
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: What wasn't so sustainable? Is he talking about schematics?

630
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: Was he talking about It could be a lot of

631
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: different things.

632
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: The accountability, once again, was it on the field? Was

633
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: it off the field?

634
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: Was the ability? Is interesting to me because losing teams

635
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: don't have accountability. Winning teams do have accountability, And I

636
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: think it really comes down to that. Let me tell

637
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: you something. Everybody keeps talking about how Jonathan Gannon has

638
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: ratcheted up accountability, and that's good. That's what needs to happen.

639
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: I guarantee you in three years, if he's struggling or another,

640
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: change has to be made. And I'm not predicting anything,

641
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: I'm just saying then no one was being held account

642
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: I mean, Bruce arians had an accountability board for goodness sake,

643
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: and all I heard at the end of his tenure

644
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: was accountability started a slip. Well, I mean again, why

645
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: because they weren't winning. They weren't winning, all right. That's

646
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: kind of how I feel about it, you know.

647
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: And I know it's like a lot of people sort

648
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: of dismissed when Kyler said about his connection with Jonathan

649
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: gannon quote, you run through a wall for that type

650
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: of guy. That's the energy brings. And maybe any player

651
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: is going to say that about the current head coach.

652
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: But we've all had bosses, right, you like or dislike,

653
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: or you respect more than others.

654
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 4: It's our buzz, our boss. Listening to this podcast before

655
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 4: Darren and I contribute, and I'm just.

656
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: Saying, is it unrealists you think that when an employee

657
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: has a boss they really respect and or connect and

658
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 3: vibe with that, you're gonna get maybe a little more

659
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: productivity in the daily output a little bit.

660
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 4: I would also imagine if players from what it does

661
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 4: sounded like again from flight Plan, felt a type of

662
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 4: way about whether accountability specific coaches or people in the

663
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 4: front office at this point to see and this starts

664
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 4: with owner Micah Bidwell, but to see a difference in

665
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 4: the type of people that are being brought in to

666
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 4: make a change culturally when it comes to wins on

667
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 4: the field, accountability energy. I would imagine that as players,

668
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 4: you buy into that of okay, like we are top

669
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 4: down really trying to make changes and make a difference

670
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 4: and be better. And so to see your owner and

671
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 4: your GM bring in those types of people that maybe

672
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 4: were missing part of the reason why there wasn't long

673
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 4: term success, I would imagine as a player, it's okay,

674
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 4: everybody else in the building is making an effort to

675
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 4: make those changes. We have to do the same.

676
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: Well, and speaking of change, here's the last thing I'll

677
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: throw out on Kyler, at least from from watching it.

678
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: My takeaways was where he sort of drilled a little

679
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: deeper into his leadership style and how that might have

680
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: to evolve that at times. And I don't have it

681
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: right in front of me, but he said, you know,

682
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: he could react maybe in a harsh manner that's more

683
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 3: akin to his personality, and you know some guys don't

684
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: react as well that they put in the clip of

685
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: him sort of admonishing Josh Jones. I remember that vividly.

686
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 3: It wasn't anything to do necessarily with Josh Jones play.

687
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: It was some pre snap penalties that had played the

688
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: Cardinals put in behind the chains. Kyler came over early

689
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: in that game, and that's what he said, and you

690
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 3: could see it visibly just down on the sideline.

691
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: Although I it's funny you bring that up, I don't

692
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: think there's any question every and Danny had brought it

693
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: up earlier that the thing about how he may be

694
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: maturing a little bit in that way. And I do

695
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 2: think as a as somebody who's been a boss a

696
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: number of years now, as somebody who's been a parent,

697
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: and you have different kids that usually have to be

698
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 2: treated a little bit differently depending on how they react

699
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: to stuff. You know, part of the issue with what

700
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: we see and I'm not excusing everything Kyler has done

701
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: that we've seen down on the sideline, but you know,

702
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: we don't know what got it got to that either.

703
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: I mean, he might be being nice to some of

704
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: these guys once or twice and then they keep fing

705
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: it up and then at some point that you know.

706
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: Give you another example because That is a great point

707
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: is is exchange with DeAndre Hopkins that got captured. I'll

708
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 3: get you the ball, Get you the ball. How many

709
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: times did do Hop come up to him during the

710
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 3: course of that game? How many times did do Hop

711
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: come up to him over the course of that season?

712
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 3: Give me the ball? And at some point there is

713
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 3: a breaking point.

714
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: Yes, and and and again, that doesn't that doesn't excuse you,

715
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: and and and again. Some of this there there has

716
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: to be an evolution. But when we talk about the leadership,

717
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: and we talk about accountability, and I guess I struggle

718
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: with this a little bit because I'm very I'm very

719
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: much somebody who I struggle with people struggling with self

720
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: accountability these days, and and when we keep talking about

721
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: being accountable, like why can't you just get your freaking

722
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: job done? That's kind of that's that's a little I'm

723
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 2: having a little wolf seep out of me a little bit,

724
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: But I mean that that frustrates me. And and with Kyler.

725
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: The other thing too, is it reminds me and I'm

726
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's newer versions of this, but I keep

727
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: thinking of older versions of it where whether it was

728
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: Frank Robinson as a manager, or Ted Williams as a

729
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: baseball manager, or even when Magic Johnson tried to coach,

730
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: Like a lot of times, when you have a high

731
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 2: profile guy, they don't understand why everybody can't play at

732
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: that level. And I think sometimes Kyler kind of fights

733
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 2: that a little bit because he's like, I don't understand

734
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: if I can play football like this, why can't you

735
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: play football like this and that? And if you can't

736
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: necessarily handle that, that's that's a tough thing to kind

737
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: of focus into a leadership role when you when you

738
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: don't understand why they are not up to that kind

739
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: of level. And a lot of guys aren't gonna be

740
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 2: at the at the talent level that Kyler Murray is at.

741
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 4: Was your example with Hopkins your segue, Paul, It was,

742
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 4: but I was going.

743
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 3: To diverge from one storry for one moment. You know,

744
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: we talk about accountability and self awareness. It was and

745
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 3: is another example. Then we'll go to d hop It's

746
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: like Danny holding people accountable on her flight to Europe

747
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 3: for you know, taking their shoes off, right, I mean,

748
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 3: have some self awareness.

749
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 4: That was That was my flight from New York to Phoenix,

750
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 4: which is like a five plus hour flight. It was

751
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 4: delayed more than two hours. I had been traveling for

752
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 4: about fifteen sixteen hours at that point. Oh so I

753
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 4: get on the plane and I will say, at first

754
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 4: I thought I had great karma, because they had said

755
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: this is a full flight, you know, all the stuff

756
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 4: of if you're in this group to board, check your

757
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 4: bags now with the gate agent, sit down and waiting

758
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 4: to have an aisle seat. And they start doing you know,

759
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 4: the seatbelt and the safety instructions, and nobody's sitting in

760
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 4: my row, and I think it at all, and I'm

761
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 4: thinking I deserve this. And then and then the man

762
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 4: next to me in the aisle takes his shoes off,

763
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 4: and then I pay attention. And in both the left

764
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 4: and right side of the aisle and the roads directly

765
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 4: in front of me and I love my young nephew,

766
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 4: were two young, loud kids, and I'm thinking, oh, maybe

767
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 4: this isn't such a good karma. But it absolutely disgusted

768
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 4: me to watch that man be barefoot to where I

769
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 4: scooted it into the window. I mean I did lift

770
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 4: up the armrest to kind of take out the aisle.

771
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 4: I know, I know, it was disgusting how do you

772
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 4: how do you go barefoot on a plane. And then

773
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 4: he would and and maybe like neck back issues whatever,

774
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 4: he would like stand up on the flight, you know,

775
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 4: kind of like walk around and I'm like, you're walking

776
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 4: on the plane barefoot.

777
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 2: It was so dim you know where this plane has been.

778
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 4: Oh so gross. Nobody wants to see your open toes.

779
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: Well, at least at least you only you only saw it,

780
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 3: you didn't smell it, and just put it because there

781
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 3: was a photographer. I'll just throw this out there. Back

782
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: when the media used to travel on the Cardinals team

783
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: plane and he would shoot the entire game and some

784
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 3: more earlier in the year, and and very hot, humid destinations.

785
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 3: And the first thing you would do because they stuffed

786
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 3: at his back. When I was working at Channel five,

787
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 3: stuffed all the media in the last three rows. And

788
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 3: he would fly with the team with the team, and

789
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: I was he was right, he was right behind me,

790
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 3: and he was about six threes Darren size, and he's

791
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: sticking his feet right under my seat. And instantly the

792
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: moment we boarded, and he had those nikes on for

793
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 3: seven hours and he sweated through him and those things

794
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 3: came off and I didn't need to see it before

795
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 3: I realized he had removed issues disgusting. I would go

796
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: to HR have some aware.

797
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 4: I'm not even exaggerating. I'm just saying I would.

798
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 2: Find they were guests on the plane.

799
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 4: I'm just saying if anybody did that, now, I would

800
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 4: formally complain. How's some etiquette.

801
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: That's that's very that's a fair.

802
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 4: That was quite the distraction, Paul.

803
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: It's like a bumper sticker I saw on vacation. My

804
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: karma ran over my dogma. See the moment you allowed yourself,

805
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: Danny to think that you hadn't made on that flight.

806
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess feeling like you have good karma. Any

807
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 4: sort of traveling experience is just a trap. Doesn't exist.

808
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 3: Okay, speaking to travel Speaking to de hop earlier, he

809
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 3: has a new team. He goes to Nashville. Thoughts reactions,

810
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: surprise factor, Darren, I mean, we had heard about the Titans,

811
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: early Titans.

812
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: Fit.

813
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: What do you think about I would automatically recoil at

814
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 3: the thought of Mike Brabel and DeAndre Hopkins unless they

815
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 3: had already been together, and they have for many years.

816
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 3: So okay, all right, there was a track record.

817
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean my first reaction is what it was

818
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: always going to be, which was I always thought that

819
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins was going to go to the team that

820
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: paid him, and there was probably only going to be one,

821
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: and it turned out to be Tennessee and they're the

822
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 2: only ones that were willing to pay him anywhere close

823
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: to what he was one. So that's where he went,

824
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: and there's nothing wrong with that. Again, there's nothing wrong

825
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: with it, but it is kind of funny all that

826
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: discussion about what quarterbacks I want to play with and

827
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 2: what teams I want to play with.

828
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 4: That's my thing. Look, if you're a Cardinals fan, I

829
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 4: could understand of in the moment you were upset you

830
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 4: didn't get any picks or anything from a trade value

831
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 4: for DeAndre Hopkins. But I would think that after seeing

832
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 4: him sign with the Titans, you take a step back

833
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 4: and you think, Okay, maybe this front office is doing

834
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 4: things the right way, because if that's the team he

835
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 4: signed with, clearly there were not a lot of suitors

836
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 4: out there the way that things were being portrayed. The

837
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 4: fact that hop said he wants to be with a

838
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 4: quarterback who makes everyone around him better number one competitor.

839
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 4: Do the Titans have that. No, if you're looking for

840
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 4: a top defense, maybe maybe I don't know about like

841
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 4: the top defense in the league. But hop said he

842
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 4: wanted to be with a strong defense that can win games. Okay,

843
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 4: But then you're also looking for he mentioned the front office,

844
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 4: and I'm thinking a front office who didn't resign AJ

845
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 4: Browns or are you kind of rebuilding or what exactly

846
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 4: is going on here? Like it just I understand the

847
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 4: business side and putting yourself first and some of the

848
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 4: things that he was saying, but it almost felt like

849
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 4: he was knocking the Cardinals down on his way out

850
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 4: the door. And then you go when you sign with

851
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,959
Speaker 4: the team that doesn't really have any of those things

852
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 4: you were knocking the Cardinals about. So again, to your point,

853
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 4: it's really not surprising that he went for the money,

854
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 4: and with his age, it makes sense of where you're

855
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 4: at of you know, trying to get that final contract. Likely.

856
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 2: So I will say this, You're it's you as a

857
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: as a Cardinal fan. You're not gonna have to worry

858
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: about it biting you in terms of any head to

859
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 2: head You're We'll see what happens with the Titans. But

860
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: as loaded as the AFC, is. I don't think you're

861
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 2: gonna have to deal with oh my god, we lost

862
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: him for nothing and now he's out there having all

863
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: this success team wise, because I don't the Titans are

864
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 2: The Titans will be competitive as they have and I

865
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: think Mike Rabil is a great coach, but I just

866
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: think the AFC is way too heavy for them to

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Speaker 2: do much.

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Speaker 3: The best thing that Titans have going for him is

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00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 3: their division. That's the best thing that I mean. Otherwise,

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Speaker 3: you got a team that lost the last seven games

871
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Speaker 3: at the end of last year, missed the playoffs. Ryan

872
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: Tannehill in a contract year. Obviously, they took Will Levis

873
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 3: Derreck Henry in a contract year. The old line is

874
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: suspected best, that's a work in progress, and they have

875
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: a rookie GM so Danny Wright all those things that

876
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 3: he cited, that whole checklist, how many of those boxes

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Speaker 3: did he just check?

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Speaker 2: It's it's gonna be not hilarious. And again I don't

879
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: will wish any ill will to hop at all. He

880
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: did what he needed to do after he got cut.

881
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 2: But with everything that's happened, if the Titans get off

882
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: to a sideways a little bit of a start, and

883
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: they decide, Okay, Will Levis is our future, and we're

884
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: not re signing Ryan Tannell. Anyways, we might as well

885
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: put Will Levis in the lineup now it's and he

886
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: ends up playing with a rookie untested, the.

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Speaker 4: Worst situation than the Cardinals.

888
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: It's going to be interesting for sure.

889
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Speaker 3: By the way, Mandatory Texans, speaking of Hop's former team

890
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Speaker 3: and the team with which the Cardinals owned their number

891
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 3: one pick next year, do you see where Laramie Tunsell

892
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: their franchise Tackle set about c J. Stroud that he's

893
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 3: come in from day one and been that vocal leader

894
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 3: and taking over the huddle and everything, and so very

895
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: glowing review from Laramie Tunsell. As we figure, don't you

896
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 3: think that c J. Stroud would be tracking to be

897
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Speaker 3: their opening game starter?

898
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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any Questionbut.

899
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Speaker 3: Davis Mills career records like five and twenty seven or

900
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 3: something like that.

901
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: Stroud is playing cornerback for the text.

902
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: So okay, let's just hope c J. Stroud doesn't, you know,

903
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 3: navigate that learning curve too quickly next season.

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Speaker 4: This is random, but Paul, did you see the Seahawks

905
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 4: throwback jerseys that they put out.

906
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: I did see that.

907
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 4: I love that nineties video.

908
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: Okay, more importantly along that subject line, though, I would

909
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: love to get your guys reaction to this, and I do.

910
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: I'm a nostalgia guy, so I love all these throwback

911
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 2: jerseys that are coming out. I love what the Seahawks

912
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: are doing. I love the cream skulls coming back for

913
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 2: the Bucks. I like what the Bucks or the Browns

914
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: did with their all white with the white helmets. But

915
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: in the story that the Seahawks put out on seahawks

916
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: dot Com about the new thing, you're only allowed so

917
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: many alternate jerseys, so to get these they have to

918
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: get rid of one of them. So it came down

919
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: to their wolf gray and their action green.

920
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: Is that what they call the neon green?

921
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 4: They get rid of green.

922
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Speaker 2: They did not, And there's a bunch of fans that

923
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: are upset that, like, how do you not get rid

924
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Speaker 2: of the green ones? We like the great ones?

925
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Speaker 3: Yikes, Yeah, that's all right. The twelves come on. The

926
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 3: twelves are just going with whatever's fed to them and

927
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 3: then they'll buy their own gear. And it's a straight

928
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: profit for the club. It's an it's an ingenious revenue.

929
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 3: Stream by the Hawks. It really is all the twelve

930
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 3: gear that and then they don't have to split it

931
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 3: with the players. There's no revenue share. It's just boom.

932
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: Like Darren said, straight profit.

933
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Speaker 4: This is the highest I've ever heard you speak about

934
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Speaker 4: the Seahawks.

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Speaker 2: It's true, that's true.

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Speaker 3: It takes a lot for by the way, you want

937
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Speaker 3: a hot take, it wouldn't be a Cardinals Underground right,

938
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 3: brought you by Pacific Office Automation without a hot take.

939
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Speaker 3: Here's my hot take. As we near the season, like

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Speaker 3: fifty days away, I think as of today, if I

941
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Speaker 3: heard someone say, yeah, I think that's right, the Seattle

942
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 3: Seahawks will win this division. I'm not liking what I'm

943
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Speaker 3: seeing out of the forty nine ers right now.

944
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Speaker 2: And you are you seeing anything out of the forty

945
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: nine ers. They haven't even gone to camp yet. They're

946
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Speaker 2: just sitting at home like everybody else.

947
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Speaker 4: In the area.

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Speaker 3: I just got back in the Bay Area, you know,

949
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 3: and all to the ground. I also say this, I'm

950
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: not buying the rams whatsoever. I know a lot of

951
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 3: who is buying a lot of these projections. Have the

952
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 3: Cardinals automatically cemented into the bottom of the division.

953
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: Rainbows.

954
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean right now, right now. The Rams, the

955
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: latest being Matthew Stafford was asked to renegotiate and he said, no,

956
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 3: I mean this whole Rams and the coach almost retired

957
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 3: for the second offseason in a row, and they're in

958
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: cap you know, hell, they just have it. I mean

959
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 3: they're they're eating it all this year, all these cap hits.

960
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 3: They basically have three players and nobody else. And the

961
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 3: old line stole a disaster which they couldn't address.

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00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: You know, all these people who are so quickly putting

964
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 3: the Cardinals into the basement of the NFC West, you

965
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: might want to take a closer look at the Rams,

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00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: you tell them, Paul saying.

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Speaker 2: We'll see. Yeah, all right, I mean next time we're

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00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 2: actually going to be at camp next time we record.

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00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 4: I can't believe it's here.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's here. Baby.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I'll leave you with this the Mike

972
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Speaker 3: Karma ran over my Dogma bumper sticker.

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00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, what did.

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Speaker 3: Pauly parental unit tell the kids going into the vacation.

975
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 3: Right off the top, nothing ruins a vacation, young ones

976
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 3: than a sunburn, right boom put on the sunscreen. Kids

977
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 3: were loath to put on the Sun's stream. And then

978
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: what happened on the second day, Dad got absolutely torched.

979
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: That's that's just not You got to read your keys back.

980
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 3: So once again you know the karma will run over

981
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Speaker 3: the dogma every time. That'll do it for Cardinals under Ground.

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Speaker 3: Brought to you by Pacific Office Automation