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Speaker 1: all that, we're gonna talk a little bit about tight

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Speaker 1: End University and some of the weird stuff that's been

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Speaker 1: going on there. But before we get to all that.

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Speaker 1: I asked the internet for Derek Brown pictures with curly hair.

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Speaker 1: Damn it, that's what I got. So let's take a

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Speaker 1: look at these, shall we We're gonna start right here ready,

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Speaker 1: all right? Can you see these? Right here? We go?

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Speaker 1: So here's look number one for Derek Brown that I

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Speaker 1: was given. Look at number one. This is the This

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Speaker 1: is like the hipster like sophomore in high school. Look

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Speaker 1: right here, Ericson, he's kind of got like the fade

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Speaker 1: with the curl top. Give this one through five stars,

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Speaker 1: this curly hair, Derek Brown.

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Speaker 2: Zoom in, you can zoom in bottom left. Zoom in

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Speaker 2: on this bad boy just a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know who that is. Oh my god, do you talk

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Speaker 1: like Kermit the Frog in that voice? He's my favorite

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Speaker 1: players that I'd like to put in here, Like what Eric.

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Speaker 3: The haircut that screams I put ketchup on my steak.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I need a cross ear ring. I

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Speaker 2: need cross earrings for this to to pop off.

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Speaker 1: You definitely do you definitely do so, Ericson? What what's

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Speaker 1: the one through five on this one? Give me the

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Speaker 1: star rating?

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Speaker 3: Come on, m I would give it a four.

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Speaker 1: I'm gone three. I'm three and a quarter stars. I

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Speaker 1: think this look is a little douchey, I'll be honest

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Speaker 1: to the skin fade. Next look, here is the long

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Speaker 1: haired Derek Brown. There's the deal.

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Speaker 3: Say you look at Greg Dulsich, but there's a.

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Speaker 1: Little dulsage here. You definitely play offensive guard. You definitely

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Speaker 1: have left guard. You can tell from the look on

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Speaker 1: your face. I'm gonna say this one, this one I

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Speaker 1: like the most. I'm gonna say four and three quarter stars.

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Speaker 1: This is nearly five star for me, Like Jennings Dunker

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Speaker 3: Definitely offensive. Lineman from the MAC conference.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could say, is you're welcome. I was gonna say, Browana,

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Speaker 1: this is your browana. That's what this is? Is so good?

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Speaker 1: Maybe least this is this is tragic.

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Speaker 3: This is like, isn't this what your hair actually does?

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Speaker 3: De Bro when you had hair?

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Speaker 2: Imagine it's like that. But it was like down in

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Speaker 2: my face and stuff. More emo ish. This will look

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Speaker 2: like like what is the meme with the science guy?

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Speaker 2: Like I sent it in the in the same slack

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Speaker 2: channel yesterday, the meme with the science guy, and I

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Speaker 2: was like, this is exactly what I look like like

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Speaker 2: I have a lot of great thoughts, but they're actually

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Speaker 2: all horrible.

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Speaker 3: Oh the guy the History Channel, Yes, that guy, the

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Speaker 3: science guy, Aliens guy. Yeah, everybody, everyone listening right now

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Speaker 3: knows exactly who we're talking like, Oh, exactly, he's talking

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Speaker 3: about it, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Go google his name. I can't remember his name. It's

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Speaker 2: But but what I love about that guy, like everything

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Speaker 1: Is always Aliens. Like, so, do we think that it's

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Speaker 1: possible that Christian McCaffrey could have played, you know, seventeen games. No,

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Speaker 1: look like I have a time share in area fifty one.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, this is the worst look.

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Speaker 2: This is you manage a bar restaurant in the downtown

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Speaker 1: For sure.

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Speaker 3: The first one is the best one, my man.

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Speaker 1: See, I still think number two. I like the big Lineman,

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Speaker 1: look for Derek Brown. The first one's too douchey for me.

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Speaker 1: It's just too much, But the second one is glorious.

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Speaker 1: The second one is first headline we're going to get

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Speaker 1: to is right here. It's it's what's wrong with Mac Jones.

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Speaker 1: So tight End University happens every single summer and Mac

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Speaker 1: Jones is living his best life. I assume you guys

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Speaker 1: could see Matt Jones here throwing footballs and he is

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Speaker 1: doing little dance, having a little fun. Here. He looks

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Speaker 1: like somebody's uncle who is not a professional athlete. I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna put this out there. Tight End University is

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Speaker 1: George Kittle's program where the tight ends show up, they

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Speaker 1: work out. It's a great thing. Everyone has a good time.

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift shows up. The whole thing is great. But

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Speaker 1: these these Mac Jones videos, as you start to go

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Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole, boys get weirder and weirder. So

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Speaker 1: this is the one where he was just kind of

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Speaker 1: doing his little drop back step dance. It feels like

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Speaker 1: he's listening to the Guardians of the Galaxy soundtrack while

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Speaker 1: he's throwing footballs. I don't know what's going there. Here's

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Speaker 1: another one where he's doing some TikTok dances. What the

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Speaker 1: hell am I watching? Good Lord, I'm not sure what's

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Speaker 1: going on here. Here's another one of him just joking

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Speaker 1: is mac Jones on? And can I get some of them? Uh?

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Speaker 2: People make fun of JJ McCarthy for his vibes, can

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Speaker 2: we put mac Jones in the same in a similar

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Speaker 2: category with all of this? Like, this is just beyond

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Speaker 1: I love it. I think the cringe.

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Speaker 3: I like you too, this guy. This guy's high on line.

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Speaker 3: He's a backup quarterback. He's not gonna be the starter,

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Speaker 3: but he knows that. Hey, after this year, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: be a free agent. We're going to see I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: get a lot of buzz because of how well I

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Speaker 3: played in the Shanahan system. Look, man, this is the

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Speaker 3: guy to hit the gritty in the Pro Bowl as

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: He scored a rushing touchdown, hit the gritty. He's just

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Speaker 3: having fun out there playing loose. So again, this is

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Speaker 3: how your backup quarterback should be. No pressure on me.

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Speaker 3: I'm going out here to have some fun with the boys.

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Speaker 3: So I love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think about the fact that he's a former

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Speaker 2: Patriot is not coloring y'all's opinions at all.

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Speaker 1: It might make it worse considering, you know, he played there,

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Speaker 1: But look, think about this is his little sack move

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Speaker 1: I mean, he is definitely like just he's a vibe.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he is seeing Jameis Winston being this like a

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Speaker 1: If that's what mac Jones is going for, It's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a life for me after the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I'm a backup quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I may or may not ever be a quote unquote

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm thinking about maybe just maybe he

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Speaker 1: sees Winston and he goes, now, this is the path

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Speaker 1: for me. I can go take that path.

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Speaker 2: I think I got it. He's trying to pick up

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Speaker 2: the mantle from Kirk Cousins. That's That's that's where we're going.

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Speaker 1: He's got way more personality than Kirk Cousins. That's all

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean a lot of Kirk Cousins also

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Speaker 2: rings kind of fake. Like he's just like I'd be

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Speaker 2: very curious who the real Kirk Cousins is when the

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Speaker 2: cameras turn off versus this character that I think he plays.

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins does not have these dance moves voice. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you want, I mean, look at him right there.

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Speaker 1: You've never seen you don't know, I means all the

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Speaker 1: time here we go. The five is the vive it is,

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Speaker 1: I mean he is. I think Eric is living his

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Speaker 1: best life. That's what.

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Speaker 2: I've seen way more other cringe. It's like the weird

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Speaker 2: for dinner anymore, now can't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly does feel that way. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm here for it because I think it's fun and

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Speaker 1: I just I want to see Kirk Cousins and enjoying

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Speaker 1: his best life. I want to see Winston, Jenny, all

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Speaker 1: the backup qbs should enjoy their best life. That's we should. Now,

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Speaker 1: speaking of tight End University, I saw a tweet from

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Speaker 1: someone here, Derek Brown, that was talking about watching George

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Speaker 1: Kle do some of the drills. Now I saw those drills.

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Speaker 1: I watched. He did look pretty good. He looked better

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Speaker 1: than I thought he would. He did also look to

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Speaker 1: me a little bit like he was careful. That was

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Speaker 1: my big takeaway. He did not look free. He moved well,

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Speaker 1: But I would use the word carefully moving as quickly

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Speaker 1: as one can, which is impressive, because George Kle's a

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Speaker 1: impressive dude. So give me your takeaway. Because you were

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Speaker 1: George Kittle week one, which I still think is a

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Speaker 1: tough sell. But it's not impossible. I don't think it's impossible.

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Speaker 2: I think, like when we've kind of been in the

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Speaker 2: dark about Kittle with a lot of his recovery and stuff,

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Speaker 2: I thought I took it as a positive sign. Now, yes,

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Speaker 2: to your point, was he moving around gingerly and protecting himself?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was, but he should be.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you don't want to blowout your achilles or

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Speaker 2: mess up the surgery, which is still relatively fresh ish.

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Speaker 2: Uh so, No, I mean I think just considering how

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Speaker 2: he was moving around, I think that week one is

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Speaker 2: a possibility. But to your point, Joey, if they start

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Speaker 2: him on the pop where he doesn't play for the

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Speaker 2: first four weeks or he's a limited a snap player

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Speaker 2: in the first few games, is that going to surprise

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Speaker 2: me at all?

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Speaker 1: Either?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: All right, ericson, have you seen the videos of George Kittle.

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Speaker 1: I assume that you have you must have by now

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Speaker 1: of him moving around doing the drills like that looks good,

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Speaker 1: but he doesn't look quite George Kittle yet.

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Speaker 3: I try not to put too much stock into those

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Speaker 3: types because I don't analyze tight ends running on air

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Speaker 3: to give you a justified take up. Okay, well, this

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Speaker 3: guy's one hundred percent of this guy's not. I just don't.

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Speaker 3: So I think that people can have their opinions say

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Speaker 3: it's good, because I think some people may look at

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Speaker 3: achilles very late last year, the fact that he's thirty

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Speaker 1: Where he truly excels.

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Speaker 2: So we shall see tbd about what his true value

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Speaker 1: I want to want some more time to digest all

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Speaker 3: Greg Dulcic season in Miami checks off all the boxes.

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Speaker 3: Clear path to becoming the number one receiver in this offense.

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Speaker 3: Not that we're excited about it, but he should see volume.

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Speaker 3: In last year he was efficient second yards out to

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Speaker 3: I think he leaves the Dolphins in all major receiving categories,

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Speaker 3: we'll be the first tight end to hit on his

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of some of those names. Actually,

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Speaker 2: It's Isaiah likely for me, And I don't know whether

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Speaker 2: But it's like he gets the contract, he goes to

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Speaker 2: don't think that Likely can step up and be the

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Speaker 2: I have an issue with it. Where It's also not

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Speaker 2: I think it affected is affectiveness the entire season. But

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Speaker 1: Sleeper before we get to the overrated players that we're

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Speaker 1: has anyone been following Brendan and a yuk on social

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Speaker 2: Oh? Baby, Yeah, lots of money in that closet today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did you see this one ericson where he's dropping

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Speaker 2: He's wearing Ryan pajamas too, and he's doing it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know he's gonna force the forty nine ers hand.

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Speaker 3: When he shows up to training camp, it's like, all right,

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Speaker 2: I don't think that. I think that he's trying to

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Speaker 1: He has no guaranteed money left on.

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Speaker 1: It's been almost two years since he's played a game

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Speaker 1: We're going to go talk about overrated defensive player and

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Speaker 1: and I see a quarterback in Jordan Love that had

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Speaker 1: really yet to quite follow up to the hype of

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Speaker 1: nine yards and twenty twenty three great, awesome eleven interceptions.

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Speaker 1: He's only played fifteen games in the last two years.

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Speaker 1: He's missed some time with injury. Injuries happened. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to hold that all against it, but in both

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Speaker 1: it was better about it two years ago. Too many interceptions.

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Speaker 1: That's not what you want to see. I think the

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Speaker 1: fact that they've pivoted down in this regime to more

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love is a little overrated as well. Sure, he

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Speaker 1: hasn't had a big time wide receiver necessarily to throw to.

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Speaker 1: That also would help certainly his stats and maybe kind

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Speaker 1: of break him out of that mold. I know metrically

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Speaker 1: a lot of things like him, But I'm just talking

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Speaker 1: about the fact that if you ask me which quarterback

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Speaker 1: I'd rather have from that division to start a franchise with,

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Speaker 1: I gotta say he's third, maybe even fourth after this year,

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Speaker 1: depending on what version I get of Kyler Murray. Again,

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Speaker 1: just because he played in Arizona doesn't mean that he

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Speaker 1: can't play football. Okay, this is the number one overall

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Speaker 1: pick for a reason, and I'm already to throw that

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Speaker 1: away quite yet. Well, I remember when Jordan Love got

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Speaker 1: selected Jordan Love, everybody was like, Wow, they took Jordan

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Speaker 1: Love where they took him. That's kind of surprising. And

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Speaker 1: his credit, he's been a nice leader, he's been a

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Speaker 1: good player. I just think he's a little overrated. Again,

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Speaker 1: not the best quarterback in his division. Even would put

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Speaker 1: him at third, arguably fourth, But we'll see. We'll see

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Speaker 1: how that goes. So go ahead, roast me tell me

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Speaker 1: why I'm wrong that Jordan Love isn't overton to come

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Speaker 1: at me first, you kick this off.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking up stuff.

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Speaker 3: Should I come in with the with the nerd stats.

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Speaker 1: I love the nerd stats. If we could, uh, if you,

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Speaker 1: if you could tell me what his biometric rating was

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Speaker 1: in his past pretend per game on every other Thursday,

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Speaker 1: I would love to.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you should go back and watch the Jordan Love

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Speaker 2: tape with those spectacles, because I think your vision is lacking.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Fine. Jordan Love is a is a good quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're walking. People would say he's great.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's great. That's it. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: he's not good. I'm saying he's not great good.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's really really efficient. Second in the NFL

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Speaker 3: last year and e paper drop back, and that was

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Speaker 3: dealing with all the injuries to all of his top

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Speaker 3: playmakers last season. Christian Watson played half the year, Trucker

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Speaker 3: Craft played half the year, Janry barely played the entire season.

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Speaker 3: Matthew Golden was at times the number one guy. Romeo Dobbs,

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Speaker 3: who we also look at as a player. I think

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Speaker 3: that no one looks as a superstar, but I think

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Speaker 3: Jordan Love helped elevate Romeo Dobbs in this passing game.

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Speaker 3: And look, I think it's more about the philosophy of

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Speaker 3: them wanting to run the Football's just how they run

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Speaker 3: their offenses. It's been like that with Lafore for years

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Speaker 3: and years. He likes doing that. He just likes to

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Speaker 3: run the football. And Jordan Love has done what he's done,

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Speaker 3: been really efficient, they make the playoffs. I think that

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Speaker 3: he's appropriately right. I don't know. I don't see a

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Speaker 3: lot of stuff about Jordan Lov being like, oh, he's

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Speaker 3: like top five quarterback, like this guy is the franchise savior.

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Speaker 3: I think that he's a franchise quarterback. I think, yes,

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Speaker 3: he still has something to prove as we tiered him

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Speaker 3: into that list, he wasn't in the top tier. But

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Speaker 3: I think that he definitely has the skills that they

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Speaker 3: do so and I think this year, I think this

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Speaker 3: year he's gonna prove you wrong, Joe, and he's gonna

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Speaker 3: get a chance to cook. And I I mean right

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Speaker 3: now for drafting quarterbacks for next year, like I'm optimistic

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Speaker 3: more than Debro similar to you with Kyler Murray, I

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Speaker 3: would still take Jordan Love in that conversation.

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Speaker 1: His best statistical year, would agree is twenty twenty three, correct.

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Speaker 3: That was his first year as a starter, right over

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Speaker 3: Gary Fave touchdowns Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Did the Packers win double digit games that year?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 3: They won? Nine games?

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Speaker 1: They did? They won nine games nine, just nine games,

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Speaker 1: not double digits, not ten. All I'm saying is Jordan

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Speaker 1: Love good, Jordan Love great. Question. Would you rather have

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff or Jordan Love Ericson?

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Speaker 3: Jordan Love Okay, I will I've seen enough of Jared Goff,

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Speaker 3: I know what he is.

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Speaker 1: And would you take Caleb Williams or would you take

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love Ericson.

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Speaker 3: To start a franchise with?

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Speaker 1: M hm?

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Speaker 3: Caleb Williams. He's much younger? Okay, So I think there, so.

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Speaker 1: We're we're so still not the best quarterback in his division.

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Speaker 1: Even again, I think it's a lot of You know,

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Speaker 1: Packers are great fan base. I love the Packer fan base.

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Speaker 1: They're very passionate. I've had heated conversations with them in

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Speaker 1: the past that you know, Aaron Rodgers wasn't even the

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Speaker 1: best Packer quarterback. I've said that before. You know, well,

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Speaker 1: we could we could debate that other times. Statistically, yeah, sure, great,

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Speaker 1: but I think you're measured by more than statistics at

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Speaker 1: a certain point in your career. If you're gonna play

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Speaker 1: with the big boys, okay, but great Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 1: all that stuff. Jordan Love to me Debro again. I

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Speaker 1: like that he puts up good stats. I just think

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Speaker 1: he's kind of held to a different position here where

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Speaker 1: people talk about Jordan Love is like this. You know,

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Speaker 1: this incredible young franchise quarterback, and I can name ten

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks at the top of my head. I'd rather have

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Speaker 1: to start a team with and Jordan Love.

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Speaker 2: I feel like when you're getting into that, you're kind

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Speaker 2: of splitting hairs. I'd take Jordan Love over Caleb and

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Speaker 2: Jared Golf because we know Golf's limitations and I also

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Speaker 2: know Caleb's limitations. Now, Caleb is the ceiling theoretically higher

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Speaker 2: than Jordan Love, sure, but the consistency still is not there.

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Speaker 2: And you take away Ben Johnson and then we're really

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Speaker 2: talking about trouble with Caleb Williams. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: I had time to look this up. Since twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: Jordan Love ninth most game winning drives during the regular season,

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Speaker 2: tied for fourth best and fourth quarter comebacks. So you

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Speaker 2: want to talk about not a difference maker, not elite.

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Speaker 2: He's top ten when it really really for counts. Now,

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Speaker 2: I know the playoff resume hasn't been there. But during

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Speaker 2: the regular.

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Speaker 1: Him. Yeah, it's even the one great game against Dallas

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Speaker 1: that was a great moment. It hasn't been much.

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Speaker 3: Classic Dallas Cowboys collapse.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's the thing. It's like, how much do

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Speaker 1: you want to give him versus the McCarthy game plan

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Speaker 1: being completely wrong. I don't ever remember. I actually was

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Speaker 1: watching that football game with somebody who did not really

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Speaker 1: know football, and their response is is it always like

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Speaker 1: this where one team? They're like, no, no, this is

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Speaker 1: very odd because they were like, it's the playoffs, right,

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Speaker 1: aren't they supposed to be good teams? And I had

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Speaker 1: football atnical in the playoffs, but one of them is

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Speaker 1: winning and it's forty to ten at halftime or whatever

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Speaker 1: it was. It was pretty close to that.

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Speaker 2: But to your point, I think a lot of the

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Speaker 2: more run heaviness has been because he has deal dealt

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Speaker 2: with injuries to protect him or protect the team from

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Speaker 2: the injuries and stuff.

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Speaker 1: But also, can we also say.

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Speaker 2: Like zoom out a little bit, some of that run

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Speaker 2: heaviness is been because of the floor. I honestly think

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Speaker 2: it as good of a head coach as.

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Speaker 1: La floor is.

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Speaker 2: He has been extremely conservative and almost there I say

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Speaker 2: scared in a lot of moments where he's just trying

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Speaker 2: to sit on wins and get out of town. Which

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Speaker 2: I understand doing that, but as that being your philosophy

648
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Speaker 2: in the playoffs and the entire freaking regular season, That's

649
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Speaker 2: where I have a problem with it.

650
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Speaker 1: Uh what's his career winning percentage?

651
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Speaker 3: Do you?

652
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Speaker 1: Bro? You want to take a guess?

653
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Speaker 2: Okay, we're not doing team wins for freaking quarterbacks?

654
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: Are we really freaking.

655
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: Are you including Are you including his like spot starts

656
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: for Rogers when he was like super rossto.

657
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: Is he gonna go out there and play play play defense?

658
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: Is he poking? It's really good?

659
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: What if it's above five wins?

660
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Speaker 1: Are so guard?

661
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 5: I'm not it is Jordan Love, Yes, barely. What's Kyler

662
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 5: Murray's yeah? Him even comparing him against Kyler Murray? You

663
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 5: got a thing for short king quarterbacks. I don't understand it.

664
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Speaker 2: Man, like better, I'm gonna it's not going to be better.

665
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: It's not better, No, reaching, sir, I bring I bring

666
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: up the winning percentage because you brought up all of

667
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: the look at how good he is in the fourth quarter,

668
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: drives and all that those things he's affecting.

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Speaker 2: He can't play defense like the overturn defense a lot

670
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: of like there's plenty of quarterbacks that we all have

671
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: great respect for who have a terrible defenses and have

672
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: won despite that.

673
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow comes to mind, just start of the top right.

674
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: No, Joe Burrow is not one over the last two

675
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: years because the defense has been got awful, thank you

676
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: very much, sir. Yes, but he is over coming to

677
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: a super Bowl with a they were league average last

678
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: two years. That defense has sunk that entire team.

679
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: But currently when I'm wrong, where the Packers defense has

680
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: been oh so bad, that hasn't been so bad.

681
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: Okay, they started all the playing busters last year and

682
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: they faded big time down the stretch.

683
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: Because they traded their whole team in future to get

684
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: one guy, and that one guy got hurt and then

685
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: everything went in the crapper because they hadn't they had

686
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: left to overcome it. And that's gonna be their problem

687
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: this year. But before the Micah Parsons straight that Greae

688
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: bit Packer defense is pretty good. Last couple of years.

689
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: I knew this was gonna get everybody's dander up, and

690
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm glad it did. That was fun. Uh ericson, why

691
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: don't you give us an overrated offensive player in your mind?

692
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: This is a player I've talked about before on the program.

693
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 3: Wide receiver DK Metcalf for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think

694
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 3: that he is more of a fake Alpha than a

695
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: real alpha wide receiver. And if you just look at

696
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: what he's being compensated this year among all the wide receivers,

697
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Speaker 3: he's the sixth highest paid wide receiver in the NFL.

698
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: DK Metcalf. Guys, look at his ADP, look at his

699
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Speaker 3: ECR ranking. He's outside the top thirty wide receivers in

700
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: fantasy rankings. And I'm not saying that's where he should

701
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: be in real life wide receivers. I think that he

702
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: probably is a real life top thirty wide receiver, if

703
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: not top twenty four guy. But the fact that he's

704
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 3: being paid so much when he has been a player

705
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: that last year again number one wide receiver for the

706
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Steelers, he had a twenty one percent target chair

707
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: that is nowhere near an elite number one option fifty

708
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 3: six point seven receiving NARTS per game. He scored six

709
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: touchdowns and we all know he got suspended for the

710
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 3: last two games of the regular season because of the

711
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: altercation with the fan against the Detroit Lions. So the

712
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: thing with him is the star of his career was awesome. Right.

713
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: This guy came out of ole Miss alongside AJ Brown

714
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: and we were like, man, how did this guy fall

715
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 3: in the second round? Right, especially as someone that falls

716
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: to the Patriots. They drafted kil Harry instead. And I'm

717
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: pulling my hair out because of all the stud receivers

718
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: that went after him, Deebo, samuel A, J. Brown, and

719
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 3: DK Metcalf. So to start his career, this guy looked

720
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: like the next big thing, the next Calvin Johnson. But

721
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: over the last four season he's been outside the top

722
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 3: fifteen wide receivers and fantasy points outside the top twenty.

723
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: The last two seasons. He was wide receiver thirty three

724
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: points per game in his final year in Seattle. And

725
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: I just again referring back to Ole Miss, where he's

726
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: never really been a true number one Alpha. There's always

727
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: been someone alongside him that's always been really productive. AJ

728
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 3: Brown at ole Miss and then at the NFL level.

729
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Speaker 3: Every single year it was why are we drafting DK

730
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 3: Metcalf at the two to three turn when you can

731
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: get Tyler Lockett in round five and six and they

732
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: basically put up the exact same target numbers every single season.

733
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Speaker 3: So for those reasons, Metcalf to me, he looks like

734
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 3: a number one wide receiver built out of a lab,

735
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: built like Adonnis. But when you actually look at the

736
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: stats outside those first couple of seasons, it's really trailed

737
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Speaker 3: off for him to not be a number one wide

738
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: receiver or at least a number one alpha wide receiver,

739
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Speaker 3: and even this year too. Right is he a favorite

740
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: to lead the Steelers and targets? I don't think so.

741
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be Michael Pittman Junior. So why

742
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 3: are we paying the running backs?

743
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: But that's fair.

744
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: So again, as the sixth highest paid wide receiver in

745
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: the NFL, like, I don't know how you can't view

746
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 3: Deacon Metcalf as again, maybe he's not overrated, but clearly

747
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 3: overpaid for what he's probably going to offer this offense.

748
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: I definitely agreed overpaid.

749
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Speaker 2: I think he's overrated too, because I think it's I

750
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 2: think you pointed this out to me a couple of

751
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: years ago Debro where it's like.

752
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: When you when you put him in man versus.

753
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm actually by talking about that, and that's the

754
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 2: reason why he's so when.

755
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Speaker 1: You're in zone versus man coverage with DK Metcalf and

756
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: numbers are very different, right, And I think if you're

757
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: truly a great wide receiver, you just excel period. I

758
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: don't think you excel in one or the other. That

759
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: to me is the problem of if like to Erickson's

760
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: point about if you want to be an alpha dog,

761
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: you got to do both, and statistically speaking, he has

762
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: not done both in the last couple of years.

763
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: No, that's exactly why he is truly a fake pseudo

764
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: alpha is because you look and people can go back

765
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: and double check this over multiple years his career and

766
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: the mishmash of like or I guess the mixing of

767
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: skill sets in Seattle and we're going to see that

768
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: again in Pittsburgh because Pittman is a perfect compliment for him.

769
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: But this is why DK Metcalf, because the evolution of

770
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 2: the NFL has seen these stats dip and this is

771
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: I mean, we could also zoom this out to be

772
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: a larger Patrick Mahomes conversation and stuff like that too.

773
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: But with the rise of too high coverage and the

774
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: drop of single high, DK has shredded single high and

775
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: he has been very mid against too high over multiple seasons.

776
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 2: And because of that, like last year you had sixteen

777
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: NFL teams utilized too high coverage at least fifty point

778
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 2: one percent of the defensive snaps. Metcalf, amongst one hundred

779
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: and nine qualifying wide receivers, was nineteenth in yards per

780
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: route run against single high, forty first against too high.

781
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: So the rise in two high coverage and the two

782
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: high safeties, it has exposed what has always been a

783
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 2: glaring weakness in DK Metcalf's game and honestly, his usage,

784
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: his skill set, his route running, all this kind of

785
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 2: stuff where he's not a true alpha, he's just posing

786
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: his one.

787
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: You know, I love that we were also a supportive

788
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: of Ericson's choice and all tore me down from mine.

789
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: I thought we were friends, but I see, I see how.

790
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 3: This room look.

791
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 1: Look.

792
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 3: Look the proofs in the You're gonna think about mind

793
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: proof is in the pudding. Deacon Metcalf looks like Tarzan,

794
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: plays like Jane.

795
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: Oh ouch face, No, you can't.

796
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: He's gonna catch you them.

797
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: I know, I know Ericson's breakaway is not fast enough.

798
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 3: He's gonna find me. It is going to get clipped,

799
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 3: and yeah, I'm gonna walk off.

800
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: This is the part where we get the film clip

801
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: of Ericson running routes in a gym.

802
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: That would be very all right, Debro, give me an

803
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: overrated offensive player in your mind.

804
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: The most overrated offensive player in the NFL is the

805
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: highest paid freaking running back in the NFL. It is

806
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley. And I know people are gonna hate this,

807
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: and the Eagles fans are gonna come for me, and

808
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: I don't care if you look, and we're gonna go

809
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: all the way back to twenty twenty two. In three

810
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: of those four seasons, Saquon has ranked outside of the

811
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: top twenty fifth or worse in miss tackles forced. In

812
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: three of those four seasons, he has been thirty third

813
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: or lower in rushing success rate. Also, in three of

814
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: those four seasons, Saquon Barkley has been twenty third or

815
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: lower in EPA per rush.

816
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: Yes, all the nerd stats, but to.

817
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: Point out the fact that I like the stats, I

818
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 2: just think he should not be the highest paid running

819
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: back in the NFL. And the fact of when he

820
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: had the magical season in twenty twenty four, it was

821
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: because his offensive line was generating almost four yards before

822
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: contact per attempt.

823
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: See, he was almost.

824
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: Halfway to a first down before he got touched. And

825
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 2: in the second level of a defense, he has lived

826
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: off of explosive runs. And again we want to talk

827
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: about Saquon Barkley. Since twenty nineteen has never had a

828
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: season more than four hundred and twenty five receiving yards

829
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 2: in a season, and outside of the counting stats, since

830
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, he has never had higher than one

831
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: point zero yards per route run. He has been below

832
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: that metric in every single season. So we want to

833
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: talk about as a rushing talent, we want to talk

834
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: about as a receiver out of the backfield. Saquon Barkley

835
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: has been magically overrated over the last four years in

836
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 2: the NFL, and yet he's the highest paid running back

837
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: in the NFL because of that one magical season, which

838
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: he could thank the Philadelphia offensive line for.

839
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Speaker 1: Ericson. I know he's had a lot of injuries, Saquon,

840
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: So I think that's the past that everybody gives him,

841
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: and look, that's tough. Sometimes We've seen a lot of

842
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: great players have a lot of injuries here at the

843
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: NFL level. Just for perspective, though, I mean, he's played

844
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: eight years in the league. Now he has eight three

845
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty six rushing yards. If you're talking about

846
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame running backs, I want to throw some

847
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 1: names at you during eight year spans of their careers.

848
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: Eric Dickerson had eleven hundred and ninety three, laedani In

849
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: eleven seventy six or seven to sixty, pardon me, Barry

850
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: Sanders eleven seven to twenty five, Emmitt Smith four hundred

851
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: and thirty four. He is three thousand yards behind some

852
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: of these guys. Now, I'm not saying sake two season

853
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: helping him make up, are you? By the way?

854
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: Is that just rushing yards, Joe?

855
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: Just rushing yards? Okay, just rushing yards. So I don't

856
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: think he's that caliber, but I do think he's at

857
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: a very crucial point in his career where if he

858
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: has another three really good years, maybe another couple fifteen

859
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: hundred spots here and there for rushing, you know, a

860
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: couple big touchdown totals, as this offense moves away because A. J.

861
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: Brown is not there different offense going into this season.

862
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: If he has another three great years, I think sae

863
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: Quon is a Hall of Famer. But if he doesn't,

864
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: if he's next couple of years tail off, it does

865
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: feel like he's going to be more of those what

866
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: if kind of stories like the Hall are very good,

867
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: but he got hurt too much. That's kind of what

868
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: it feels like to me, Andrew, where are you at

869
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: with Saquon Well?

870
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: I feel like this conversation is really shifted from is

871
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 3: he overrated? To is he a Hall of Famer, which

872
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: I don't think is the same question. To be fair,

873
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 3: guys are not in the Hall of Fame doesn't mean

874
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: that you're not again, like I think the Hall of

875
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: Fame again, I think that we're too generous. I think

876
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: there are too many people in the Hall of Fame.

877
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: To be honest, I think that it should be more

878
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 3: strict of who is actually in there, because I think

879
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: it's becoming the Hall very good where there are more

880
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 3: players that are being inducted. That again, I'm not on

881
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: the com Again. I don't know how all of it works,

882
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 3: but I think they should be more strict in terms

883
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 3: of how they're letting people in. I would say with Saquon,

884
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: is he viewed right now as okay, I guess the

885
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 3: top five running back because he's not. I wouldn't put

886
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: him in top five right now.

887
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: And it'll be the highest paid running back in the entire.

888
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: I mean he did rush for two thousand yards. Like

889
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 3: sometimes you gotta get I know, but you got to

890
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 3: get paid for what you do. I thought Jerem my

891
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: Love was a high paid running back in the NFL.

892
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: Not b aav baby Saquon twenty point six million per year.

893
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: CMC's right behind him at nineteen, and then we have

894
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: a drop off to Devon Ahen at sixteen. I will

895
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: say this Love at thirteen point two when he came

896
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: in the league.

897
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: There there's only one back since twenty eighteen that actually has,

898
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: ironically in those eight years eleven thousand yards, which is

899
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: like that threshold of greatness you want to everybody knows

900
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: what it is. You don't have the guess it's Derrick Henry. Okay, yeah,

901
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: but after that over this spance is twenty eighteen, Saquon

902
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: Barkley does have the second most rushing yards of any player.

903
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: So I know that two thousand rushing yards season helped,

904
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 1: but I'm talking about over an eight year san missing

905
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: as much time as he did, he still has eighty

906
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty six. Josh Jacobs third, Jonathan Taylor fourth,

907
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: both with seventy eight hundred and then seventy five hundred.

908
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: So Saique's number two by a long shot. There, Debro,

909
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: which is just again food for thought.

910
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: It's counting stats, Like all the stuff that I ran through,

911
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 2: does any of that project Saquon to be this elite

912
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: running back? Well, you talk vera about him running with

913
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 2: me with Jordan Love all the efficiency right, six.

914
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: Rushing yards per game sets that I just gave you,

915
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: But ninety six point six rushing yards per game, that's

916
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: pretty dark good efficiency stat like that's.

917
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 3: I guess, like I guess to me, it's like, I'm

918
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: not trying to get too again. I want to highlight

919
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: what he did in twenty twenty four, which was be

920
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 3: an absolute monster in machine and be thank you for

921
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: the reason why. That's fine, But that's every running what

922
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: What didn't help him last year? The offensive line? Offensive

923
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: line was bad, lest so I think we're gonna see

924
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 3: something of a middling type of output from Saquon where

925
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: obviously not gonna return twenty twenty four maybe not as

926
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 3: bad as twenty twenty five in this new offense. So

927
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: he needs twenty.

928
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: Twenty two Andrew, he needs thirteen hundred and ten also too,

929
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: That's that's what he needs.

930
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: So much of his career was on a terrible, crappy

931
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: Giants team like we that had nothing. He never had

932
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 3: an offensive line again. His rookie year, how many how

933
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 3: many balls did he catch? Like eighty passes, which is

934
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: insane for a rookie running back in his.

935
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 2: Career, what has he done since then?

936
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: I meet one, actually Andrew ninety one ninety one, Yeah,

937
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: it's right.

938
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: But what he done since that as a receiver not much.

939
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: Well as a.

940
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: Receiver, he's only had one other two years where he

941
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: was over fifty.

942
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: So I mean, if you if you cannot surpass and

943
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: this is a low bar one point zero yards per

944
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: route run as a running back, that's not good. And

945
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: that's that has been legiti him. Even during the magical

946
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four season, he still didn't do it. He

947
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: hasn't done it in the last four years period.

948
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: No, he's he's a great talent who has had one

949
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: great season. I don't know if that equates to him

950
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: being great yet.

951
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: Or so are you putting him in like the Shawn Alexander,

952
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 3: like he has his one mind and then just.

953
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: Like Sean Alexander was even better Seaan Xander Alexander. Sean

954
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: Alexander put together more back to back good seasons than

955
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 2: Saquan has, like all world seasons.

956
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 4: He like.

957
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: Sean Alexander, No, and I don't know if he is

958
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: and I don't know. And CJ. Twok is another guy

959
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: who had some monster seasons and then poof it was gone.

960
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: So it's a really interesting question. I'm curious what the

961
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: Chad has to say about Saquon. Drop your comments in

962
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: there about the Saquon thing. Let's move on to some

963
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: of the defensive guys here. I'll kick things off here

964
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: with mine Keeveon Thibodeaux. He was overrated coming into the league.

965
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: He's still overrated now. My favorite thing to do was

966
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: watch Keveon Thibodau in college sometimes play football and sometimes

967
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: just take up space on the field. It was stunning.

968
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: Sometimes when there were big games when a lot of

969
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: people were watching, he would show up and have some

970
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: zacks and some big moment joy. Wow, this guy's really talented,

971
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: and other times I would forget he was even there.

972
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: And that was my big thing with him coming out

973
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: of college. And guess what, because he's been a giant,

974
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: he's been a big fat disappointment as well. I just

975
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: look at him and they're already talking about getting rid

976
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: of him. The first thing Harbad did when he came in,

977
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: he said, Hey, this guy who takes too and he

978
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: plays off, we need to be shipping him around. And

979
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: sure enough, there's all these rumors swirling that Keveon thibodau'

980
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: is on his way out of New York. And I

981
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: know why because he's not a Harbaugh kind of player,

982
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: because he's completely overrated. I don't know if you guys

983
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: want to fight me about that one. I'd be very

984
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: surprised if you do. But his name still kind of,

985
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, it brings up a little bit of

986
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: excitement and people, oh, yeah, Kavon Tibdau. He's a great

987
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: pass rusher? Is he is he? Or is he a

988
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: great pass rusher? Two? Three times a year? That's my

989
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: problem with keave On Thibodaux. It's always been the same,

990
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: it always will be the same. He's completely overrated. If

991
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: you want to discuss ericson you can. If you want

992
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: to move on and you want to agree, you can.

993
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: It's up to you.

994
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 3: No, I think you did a pretty perfect job of

995
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: kind of outlining because as a Patriots fan for a

996
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: team that could use some pass rush juice, I've I've

997
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: been listening to, like, do you think you think they

998
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 3: can throw out a fourth round pick for no cave

999
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: On Thibodeau. They need pass rush out.

1000
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, they do, not three times a year, yes,

1001
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: but more consistently. He's over rated, but it's not like

1002
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: he doesn't do anything. He's not like the worst passers

1003
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: in the NFL. He's overrated.

1004
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: No, but he's overrated. I can get that much.

1005
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 3: Get the right coaching with Rabel coach mot okay On.

1006
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 2: Amongst one hundred and twelve qualifying edges Kifon Thibodeau fifty

1007
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: seventh in past rush win rate.

1008
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: Thanks Nerd.

1009
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: Right next to Baron Browning, Will McDonald, DeMarcus Lawrence, James Peers.

1010
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 3: What was the number was the eleven?

1011
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: Not good? Okay? In he had eleven and a half

1012
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: sacks in twenty twenty three. Hooray all his other years combined,

1013
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: he uh has eleven sacks in all the other seasons

1014
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: he's played. Row. Yeah, Row, indeed, all right, Erickson, give

1015
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: me an overrated player on the defensive side, and I

1016
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: think I might want to deal this one.

1017
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, just let me present the facts, because I

1018
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 3: do think that this is worth a really good conversation

1019
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 3: with TJ. Watt, who last year we were talking about

1020
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 3: we talked about the Betting Pro Show. People are throwing

1021
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 3: out TJ washed at points last year because of the

1022
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Steelers and how bad their defense was at points

1023
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: and how TJ. Watt was not impacting the game like

1024
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 3: we had seen him do in years past. Now want

1025
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 3: to outline the fact that teams did their best to

1026
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 3: try to take him away. He was chiplocked on thirty

1027
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 3: one percent of his pass rushes, which was the highest

1028
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 3: of any player since at least twenty eighteen, So that

1029
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 3: contributes to the lack of sack, total pressures, et cetera.

1030
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 3: But the sacks have fallen off for three straight seasons.

1031
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 3: Albert Brier had reported that offenses when facing the Pittsburgh

1032
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 3: Steelers last year, were actually more concerned about Alex Highsmith

1033
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 3: than TJ.

1034
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: Watt.

1035
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 3: We know the Steelers like Alex Highsmith a lot. We

1036
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 3: know they like Nick Herbig a lot, which is why

1037
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 3: they signed him to a four year, hundred million dollar extension.

1038
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 3: Right now, TJ. Watt is making top five defensive player money,

1039
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 3: low end key quarter. He makes as much money as

1040
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield does Pittsburgh Steels right now, who'd rather have

1041
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 3: DJ water Maker Mayfield like?

1042
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: By the standard of pay, You're right, he's overrated in

1043
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: that sense, Okay, but I find it hard. I think

1044
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: it's a player that is the hardest players in football

1045
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: in terms of effort level and motor. And I think

1046
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: it's taken its toll on him physically in the last

1047
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: couple of years. And I think that sack toll going

1048
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: from nineteen to eleven and a half to seven it

1049
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 1: shows you that. And he's thirty two years old this year.

1050
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: I think this is just the natural decline. Look, Steelers fans,

1051
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: you've already lost the Baker Mayfield fight. So I'm gonna

1052
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: have to get the chain out here to defend the honor,

1053
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steeler honor. Right here, I got you, Bogman,

1054
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: I got you. All of our Pittsburgh Steeler agree with

1055
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: it with Erickson on this stuff. He's overpaid. I don't

1056
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: think he's overrated. I think he's just a player.

1057
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: In but he's much But I think that there's still

1058
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: a view of him as a he's a top five

1059
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 3: player in the defense of the defense, and I just.

1060
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: Don't think that's a top five defensive player.

1061
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 3: Well, that's what he's getting paid as like.

1062
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: But that's the NFL, you know, That's what happens something, and.

1063
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 3: That's why he's orated from a value standpoint.

1064
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: Because of the point, I'll give it to you. You

1065
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: got any feelings.

1066
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 3: But one last thing, So Joe, you mentioned this too

1067
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 3: when we're talking about Metcalf, where it's like elite players

1068
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 3: perform no matter what well. Teams are taking TJ. Watt

1069
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 3: out of the equation because they keep chip blocking him.

1070
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 3: So doesn't that, by in sense mean that, yeah, he

1071
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 3: is overrated because of the fact that teams are finding

1072
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 3: ways to eliminate him from the game by just chip

1073
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 3: blocking him.

1074
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, he's not who he was three years ago,

1075
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: but then again, who is You're You're not wrong. The

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00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: pay certainly does make that structure difficult. Andrew, I don't

1077
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: think you're going to be welcome anywhere near the Pittsburgh

1078
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: area for quite some time. I just want you to

1079
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are not.

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00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: Because they're going to be thrilled after a bad season

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00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 3: and they can get a quarterback.

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00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: Get a quarterback. That's what bo really wants Watt here,

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00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: Debro or you want to just move on to your guy.

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00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with ericson that. I think he's overrated,

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00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 2: Like he shouldn't be the highest freaking paid guy. And

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00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: I think what we're talking about these contracts, numbers and

1087
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: stuff like that. It's like, yeah, like a lot of

1088
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: these guys get these contracts and you're just like, what

1089
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 2: are we doing here? Like we're paying for name value

1090
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: and sticker value and I'm not, I mean.

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Speaker 1: The other thing about it.

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00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: Uh So we all are aware that the top one

1093
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 2: hunderd players list came out for the NFL. Right now,

1094
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: anybody want to take a guess where TJ.

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00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: Watt is on.

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00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: He's on the list, by the way, But does anybody

1097
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: want to take a guest on the top one hundred

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00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 2: players in the NFL where.

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Speaker 1: He's also voted on by the players. So there you go.

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00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: I think he's top top twenty five.

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00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: Nope, you think he's lower.

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00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: Keep going down, Yeah, like top ten.

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00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 3: Notice he's lower.

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Speaker 1: Bro.

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00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 3: Like the other way, is he like seventy or something?

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00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: He's eighty eight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 2: See that's again voted on by the players.

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00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: We're not even saying this. The players are saying this.

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00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: I got you.

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00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: That's a good bro.

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00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: Look at you. Using entertainment for Andrew's argument, Hey go,

1113
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: let's go give me your overrated defensive player. Here, go ahead.

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00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 2: Uh, the dude, this is I feel like this is

1115
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 2: low hanging fruit. This is Deron Bland, most overrated defensive

1116
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 2: player in the entire freaking league. Got paid off of

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00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: like a year where he got nine interceptions, and ever

1118
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 2: since then he has not been great.

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00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: He has the sixth highest.

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00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 2: Average salary amongst cornerbacks, with only Trent mcduffee, Sauce Gardner,

1121
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,479
Speaker 2: Derreck Stanley, J. C. Horn, and Patch certain over him.

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00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 2: Since twenty twenty three, he has only three interceptions. His

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00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: catch rates allowed over the last two years sixty six

1124
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 2: point seven percent, sixty seven point one percent. Passer rating

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00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: in coverage one oh nine and one sixteen, Dron Bland

1126
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 2: had a magical season where very much we could also have.

1127
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: I mean, unfortunately he is not currently in the league anymore.

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00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 2: A very similar conversation to Trevon Diggs, where Dallas was

1129
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 2: looking at the wrong things and they paid the guys,

1130
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: and we see how that's aged not good.

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00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: You know. I was just like at salary, since we

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00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: brought up salaries so much into things. You know, Jordan

1133
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,959
Speaker 1: Love is the third highest quarterback in terms of pay

1134
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: this year, a capet like I'm a million dollars?

1135
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 3: What is average? What's average salary?

1136
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: Fifty five million, tied for third with Josh Allen, Joe Burrow,

1137
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. Overrated, he is not those guys. He's not

1138
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: those guys we need. Is my favorite rock party fifty

1139
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: three million, by the way, followed by Justin Herbert a

1140
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: fifty two million. So just putting that out there, so

1141
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: we're talking about money, that's fair to go back to.

1142
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: No one's gonna argue about de Ron Blain. I don't

1143
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: think so.

1144
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: So well, we'll just.

1145
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was like one.

1146
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: He was one.

1147
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 3: I didn't even think about mentioning because I thought it

1148
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 3: was just so obvious.

1149
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 2: I just to begin this exercise, I was like, who's

1150
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: getting paid most of the NFL. Let's see if there's

1151
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 2: any stinkers that aren't worthy of the checks they're getting.

1152
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: Oh look, looky, no Joe.

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00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 3: The Jordan love p But that was that was good.

1154
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 3: You should have opened.

1155
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: That was probably your best best thing. But I'm good. Yeah, well,

1156
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: because I just I don't like to bring up the

1157
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: money issues all the time. I think it's more about, you.

1158
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 3: Know, follow the money. Follow the money.

1159
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: At least I found some of it's funny money. So

1160
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: you want to you want to recant, you want to

1161
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: apologize how mean you were to me before? No, no, no, no,

1162
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: that keep all that.

1163
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm gonna steal your lines like he's overpaid,

1164
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 3: but not overrated, not over He's all.

1165
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: Right, let's piss some more people off. Overrated tailgate foods.

1166
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: I think I want to throw this in there too,

1167
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: because everyone loves a good tailgate. I love good snacks,

1168
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: that's for sure. When it comes to tailgates, though, I'm thinking,

1169
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: it's like, it's meat, you know, That's what I'm there for.

1170
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: The meat, that's what I want. I want the burgers

1171
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: and the brats and the hot dogs and the wings.

1172
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: I want all that stuff. You know what I don't

1173
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: want to see. I don't want to see some bougie

1174
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: San Francisco tailgate is gonna give me spinach dip or

1175
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: spinach and art of choke dip. Gross, dude, get that

1176
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: stuff away from me. Absolutely not as an overrated tailgate food.

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00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: There's no discussion about it. De bro, give me your

1178
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: overrated tailgate food.

1179
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 2: No, there is a discussion. Spinach slaps dude with like

1180
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 2: spinach and artic joke is thinking about it? Stuck in

1181
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 2: your beard?

1182
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:25,439
Speaker 4: Ill?

1183
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 1: Gross? Now, now we're just getting slanderous here. Just gross.

1184
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 2: Alright, so we're going with overrated tail I have a

1185
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 2: huge problem with sweet and savory. Like my kids laugh

1186
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: at me all the time. Maple flavors sausage is one

1187
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: of the worst things ever concocted by people in that

1188
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: same vein little smokies or pigs in a blanket. People

1189
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: just fawn over this, and I'm like, this sweet and

1190
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 2: savory stuff, It just I can't get with it. Like

1191
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 2: they're drowned in barbecue s. It's like, what do you

1192
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: what kind of effort level we're we talking about?

1193
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: Take tenny, little hot dogs, throw them into a crock pot,

1194
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: barbecue sauce on top. Hey, they're so good, sweet savory

1195
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: is amazing. No, it's horrible, dero.

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00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 3: Not everybody can dip their hot dogs into monster. Okay,

1197
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 3: they should.

1198
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: They should pick me up, they should, they should. I

1199
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: can't off and just dunk the corn dog in. Yeah,

1200
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: let's go. Where do you pass it on at the tailgate?

1201
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 3: Anything that is green that it looks like a vegetable

1202
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 3: talks like a vegetable, rabbit food. I don't want any

1203
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 3: of that that's vegetable. I don't I don't want that.

1204
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 3: I think the dip was a great call. I would

1205
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 3: have added dip all dip. I think dip is as

1206
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 3: overrated when it comes to like chip. No, I want

1207
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 3: the meats, like you said, I want the smoked meats.

1208
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 3: I want the meat and potatoes. I don't want to

1209
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 3: waste my stomach space, my precious stomach space, on fiber

1210
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 3: or vegetable.

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00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: All dips, because then they're taking away caeso and things

1212
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 1: like that, and I like that. Yeah, no chips, no salta,

1213
00:55:59,320 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: no caeso.

1214
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 3: HM is not dip. Guacamole is not dip. Those are different.

1215
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: You put a chip and gat you dip you literally

1216
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: dip it in.

1217
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 3: So fine, it's a little heavy.

1218
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 2: But to Erickson's point, who's touching the freaking veggie platter

1219
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: with like the ranch that's been out in the heat

1220
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 2: for two hours?

1221
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 1: Like later, that's gross. Veggie platters.

1222
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 3: They stop the grocery store like like I don't know

1223
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 3: what to bring. No one else will bring vegetables, so

1224
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 3: like I'll bring this.

1225
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 2: It's it's somebody in the post New Year's I'm on

1226
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 2: a diet thing where I'm trying to be healthier thing.

1227
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 2: Don't bring that to my super Bowl party. Get out

1228
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 2: bringing a salad.

1229
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: You just don't do it. Gross, you just don't do it.

1230
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: That's right. So I hope you learned something today, Boys

1231
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: and girls here on the tailgate, and of course, make

1232
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: sure you subscribe to the channel. Drop your comments below.

1233
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: What is the worst tailgate food? Who are the most

1234
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: overrated players in the NFL? And why is Jordan Love

1235
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: getting paid so much money? All those things I want

1236
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: to hear from all of you about I love you,

1237
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: Jordan Love. I think you're a good You're a good kid,

1238
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: you're a good quarterback. You're just a little overrated, that's all.

1239
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: It's certainly overpaid. But then again, Brandon i Yu just

1240
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: made fifty million dollars too, so what can we say

1241
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: about that? So this has been the tailgate. We gotta

1242
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: get out there kicking us out of the parking lot.

1243
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: Make sure you tune in next time for more football

1244
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: discussions right here on the channel for Derek Brown and

1245
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: Andrew Erikson. I'm Joey P. We'll see you next time. Kids,

1246
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: We're out. This has been the tailgate. Welcome to the tailgate.

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00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 4: The fail safe and stale sakes Erickson Gee Bro Joe

1248
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 4: stay lay tail and the game tape and trade grades,

1249
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 4: dual action plate fakes and Jay Chase fates, the day

1250
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 4: slate like Hopscotch on play dates, all things in the

1251
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 4: field sakes. So way, this the tailgate. Yeah, this is

1252
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 4: the tail gate.