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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm your guest host,

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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today I'm speaking to Andy May about

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Speaker 2: scouting all summer long to set yourself up for success

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Speaker 2: throughout the entire dear season. Welcome to the Wired to

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Speaker 2: Hunt podcast, which is brought to you by First Light,

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Speaker 2: it out and you're thinking about summer scouting or hunting

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Speaker 2: early season, you should probably check it out. It's pretty

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Speaker 2: right for hot weather white tail work. Now you know

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Speaker 2: this isn't the voice of the walking muppet man, Mark Kenyon,

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Speaker 2: it's your old Sea Squad or Tony Mark, you know

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Speaker 2: who takes more vacations than any adult I know who

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Speaker 2: didn't start a company like Amazon. He's off on an

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Speaker 2: emergency errand apparently the text he sent me went like this,

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Speaker 2: Hey bro, I need you to cover this week because

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Speaker 2: I need to go get fitted for my dream wizard

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Speaker 2: costume in time for the Detroit Cosplay Festival. He even

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Speaker 2: ended it with a wand E moji, because I don't

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Speaker 2: that was necessary, I guess anyway, I'm kicking off a

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Speaker 2: whole month of scouting podcasts. We are in the heart

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Speaker 2: of it all, at least for a lot of folks,

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Speaker 2: and it's time to take inventory. It's time to start

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Speaker 2: building those plans for the fall. It's time to get

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Speaker 2: our happy asses in gear and get some white tail

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Speaker 2: work done. And who better to talk to about that

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Speaker 2: than the man, the myth, and the deer hunting legend

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Speaker 2: that is Andy May.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I know you've heard Andy talk a lot on different podcasts,

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Speaker 2: but I don't know if he's ever gotten into this

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Speaker 2: level of depth and detail on how he scouts in

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Speaker 2: the summer. And that's good. But where he ties it

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Speaker 2: in and really makes the whole thing hum is how

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Speaker 2: he talks about how he sets himself up for success

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Speaker 2: all fall along. I'm telling you I learned a lot

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Speaker 2: in this conversation with Andy, and it fired me up

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Speaker 2: to be better. And I bet if you listen all

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Speaker 2: the way through, it'll do the same thing for you.

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Speaker 3: Andy May. How you doing, buddy?

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Speaker 4: Pretty good?

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Speaker 3: You should be doing good.

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Speaker 2: Why don't you tell everybody who's listening to this, they're

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Speaker 2: going to be surprised what we've been doing all week.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been fun, a fun few days.

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Speaker 5: I am up in Minnesota doing a little bass fishing

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Speaker 5: with my buddy Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Meat Eater and their infinite wisdom decided to take

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Speaker 2: me and Andy May and put us on a fishing

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Speaker 2: show that we're filming. And by fishing show, I mean

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Speaker 2: it's a one off episode. But we are out there

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Speaker 2: trying to catch a bunch of smallies in large mouth

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Speaker 2: and it has been interesting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been fun.

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Speaker 5: I've been joking around, trying to poke fun at Tony,

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Speaker 5: saying I'm a better fisherman out there, but he's kind

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Speaker 4: But it's been tough conditions.

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Speaker 5: It's been windy and choppy and cold and running into

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Speaker 5: some some different pitfalls. But you know, we're making the

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Speaker 5: most of it. We're out there fishing, catching a lot

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Speaker 5: of northern pike, catching some large mouth. We got into

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been Uh, it's been weird. You know, cold

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Speaker 2: this is a weird like this like white tail community

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Speaker 2: is weird because we're You and I were talking this morning,

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Speaker 2: we were eating breakfast. We've known each other what probably

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Speaker 2: six years, you know, five six years. We've never met

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Speaker 2: there's there's some things I didn't know about you. Like

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Speaker 2: makes sense with Andy, but you are literally wired for

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I kind of got into it. Well, I got

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Speaker 2: But you still had people who started you in it

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Speaker 2: You have a daughter who's like a couple of years

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Speaker 2: And you know, you said something we were fishing the

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Speaker 2: really good at basketball. If you hadn't introduced her to that,

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Speaker 2: like that would change the arc of her life and

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Speaker 2: probably not for the better, you know. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 2: That changed the the arc of your existence, Like your

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Speaker 2: life is like undoubtedly better for it, and you've passed

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Speaker 2: that on your daughter hunts. And I just look at

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Speaker 2: probably one out of a billion takes to it like

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Speaker 4: Like I just I just took to it because I

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Speaker 2: Were before you got into that, were you were there

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Speaker 2: other things in your life that you were like kind

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Speaker 2: by you in that tree, not just like, oh today

437
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 2: it's October seventeenth, and I picked this because it's a

438
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 2: staging area. You got to go back in the way

439
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 2: back machine and train yourself to just like choose the

440
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 2: hard route over and over and over again. And I

441
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: think that doesn't sell well. You know, like that's not

442
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: a product, right, Like, it's not a new jacket, it's

443
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: not a cent wick. It's just a way of thinking

444
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 2: that puts you in a position to just get better

445
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 2: at this stuff and always be learning and always feeling

446
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,199
Speaker 2: like you're doing something toward that goal, which is I

447
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 2: think is like a huge thing.

448
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 4: M h yeah.

449
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 5: And you know it's it's it's working hard and it's

450
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 5: being disciplined and putting in the required time and the

451
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 5: amount of work. But it's also like like in my case,

452
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 5: it took a lot of years. You know, it's that

453
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 5: and the experience. You know, there's gonna be some young

454
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 5: guys out there that are go getters. I see some

455
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 5: of these young guys that are just killing it, you know,

456
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 5: doing more work than I probably ever did. And maybe

457
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 5: they're not as successful yet. But if they stick with

458
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 5: it for like I need twenty five years, like you

459
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 5: and I have done this, they're gonna be you know,

460
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 5: they're gonna be phenomenal hunters.

461
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 4: So it does.

462
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 5: It takes some experience. It takes that willingness to learn

463
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 5: and make mistakes, but it takes that consistent discipline and

464
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 5: really focused drive to improve at your craft, you know,

465
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 5: no matter what it is. And I have been very

466
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 5: singular focused on this. I told you I used to

467
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 5: have I used to fish all the time.

468
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 4: I had a boat.

469
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 5: I had a boat that I saved up for and

470
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 5: uh it was a nice boat that could handle you know,

471
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 5: any lake, and it was a lund.

472
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 4: And I used to love bass fishing and walleye fishing.

473
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 4: I still do. I still love it.

474
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 5: But there came a point in my life where my

475
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 5: daughter and my family was my top priority. Bow hunting

476
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 5: was a very distant but second, and then behind behind

477
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 5: that there was a big gap, and I found myself

478
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 5: my time was very limited, so I was always choosing,

479
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 5: you know, nine times out of ten choosing to do

480
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 5: something hunting related. Like I could have the opportunity to

481
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 5: go fishing, but I might choose to stay back and

482
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 5: shoot my bow because I felt like I haven't practiced enough,

483
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 5: or I don't feel quite confident going into the season,

484
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 5: and I have a chance to go out fishing with

485
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 5: some buddies, and I'm like, man, this is this is

486
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 5: what I need to do. So I've been more singular

487
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 5: focused on that, which I think has really helped me,

488
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 5: you know, improve at a higher rate because I gave

489
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 5: up some things that I really loved. I quit golfing,

490
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 5: quit like playing basketball, quit fishing. For the most part,

491
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 5: I get out maybe five times a year, five eight

492
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 5: times a year, and.

493
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 4: It's it certainly is.

494
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 5: I don't regret it at all, but it certainly helped

495
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 5: kind of propel my progress just because I was so singular,

496
00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 5: singularly dedicated to this. But you know, as I get older,

497
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 5: I'm starting to appreciate more of this. My daughter takes

498
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 5: more to fishing than the hunting. She likes both, so

499
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 5: now it's like I'm trying to get a little more

500
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 5: and spend a little more time doing that and take

501
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,479
Speaker 5: her out because I mean that might be her passion.

502
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 5: I mean, right now, it sure seems like it. Maybe

503
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 5: she'll quit when she's older, but she just loves bass fishing.

504
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 5: So it's like I'm going to take her bass fishing.

505
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to get her out here. But I'm

506
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: in the same boat, you know, like I I could

507
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: never give up. There's certain things I couldn't give up.

508
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 2: I couldn't give up some kinds of fishing. I couldn't

509
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: give up pheasant hunting for anything. I just I just

510
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't do it. But you do. You do give up

511
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 2: a lot, like if you want to be if you

512
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 2: want to kill a lot of big deer. There's a

513
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 2: sacrifice there in life, Like there's just there's things you're

514
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: just not going to be able to do anymore. And

515
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 2: you know, for me, when you talk about that, like

516
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 2: your daughter being into bass fishing and you being so

517
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: singularly focused on deer, I mean, one of the reasons

518
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: that I'm up here fishing a fair amount is because

519
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 2: my little girls just love it, you know, Like I'd

520
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: probably be scouting more, you know, I take you know,

521
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the summer, I'll take you know,

522
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: one day a week or a half day or something,

523
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 2: and I'm doing something deer wise, and then as the

524
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 2: summer progresses, then it's like.

525
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 3: You know, we're not going fishing as much. We're going

526
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 3: to do the deer thing.

527
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 2: But it's just like it's there's like a little push

528
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: pull thing there where, like it's like, Okay, if they

529
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: like to fish, you got to figure that out. You

530
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: got to go with them, you know, because we we've

531
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: been talking about this on the on the boat all week.

532
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 2: It's like we we take it for granted. You know,

533
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: the white tail is going to be here for us,

534
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: the elk are going to be here for us, the

535
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: meal or whatever, but these opportunities are going away. And

536
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,479
Speaker 2: I mean we've talked about this a lot, but you know,

537
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: you we look at this world and go, well, the

538
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 2: white tails should stay consistent, like we should always have

539
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: them to hunt, but who knows, Like, who knows what's

540
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: going to happen to these opportunities, and so we crave

541
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: that like consistency, Like man, I always want September to

542
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 2: roll around and have that opener or October or whatever.

543
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: You don't know if that's going to be there. So

544
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: you got to keep a few of those things, like

545
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 2: the fishing thing with the kids, you know, and like

546
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: we've talked about, you know, your daughter's into hunting, but

547
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: not like she's into bass fishing. And so it's like

548
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 2: if the hunting thing doesn't, if it doesn't burn in

549
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: her the way it does in you, but the fishing

550
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: thing is there, like you just got to figure it out,

551
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: you know, like you got to you gotta do it.

552
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

553
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 5: Well, like some of my favorite times in the deer

554
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 5: woods have been with her, you know, and she shot

555
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 5: her first year and her first buck, and this last

556
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 5: past year when she shot her first big buck, I mean,

557
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 5: it was just it was it was the most fun

558
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 5: I'd had. I think I made a post about it.

559
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 5: It was just the most fun I had because we

560
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 5: just we talked. We had this downtime at the beginning

561
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 5: of the hunt, and she was telling me, you know,

562
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 5: she's fourteen, so she's got interesting boys and you know,

563
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 5: things like that drama at school. And she just opened

564
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 5: up to me because we were there. There were no phones,

565
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 5: there's nothing, and she just opened up and we had

566
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 5: this great conversation and she was telling me about a

567
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 5: boy that she had a crush on, and.

568
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 4: It somewhat broke my heart.

569
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 5: And then somehow I thought it was so cool that

570
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 5: she felt comfortable telling me that, and I was like,

571
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 5: oh wow, you know, and uh, it was just great.

572
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 5: And then to top it all off, she shot, you know,

573
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 5: a great book. But uh, yeah, I mean, shoot, if

574
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 5: I have a lifelong fishing buddy and my daughter, yeah,

575
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm just thankful that she wants to do

576
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 5: anything with me. With her being a girl, you know,

577
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 5: I was worried about that. You know, if she was

578
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 5: into a lot of girly things, I would go to

579
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 5: all her dances, all her ballet if that's what she

580
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 5: was into, and support her. But she likes nature, and

581
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 5: she likes outdoors and she likes athletics, all things that

582
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 5: I'm interested in. So if I have a lifelong fishing partner, man,

583
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 5: you can't ask for anything more than that.

584
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, you're gonna have.

585
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: To give up a little bit of that scouting and

586
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 3: hunting time.

587
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm totally willing to. I totally, I am

588
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 5: totally willing to do that. But yeah, I feel pretty lucky.

589
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 5: But yeah, I you know, I have aspirations to bow

590
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 5: hunt other things, some other species and whatnot. So I

591
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 5: have no intention of slowing down, but she wants to fish,

592
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 5: working to fish.

593
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

594
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: Do you do you ever get burned out on white

595
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: tail hunting? Because I know we've been talking a lot

596
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: about meal deer and western stuff and maybe putting together

597
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: a few hunts that are non white tails related. Do

598
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: you ever just kind of go because you I mean,

599
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: Michigan functions a lot like Minnesota, where you're like, I

600
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: don't have any options. I'm hunting white tails. Maybe maybe

601
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: draw bear tag or something, but it's generally just just deer.

602
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: It's not like being out West, and you know, I

603
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: know you like that variety. I know you're big into

604
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: meal deer. Are you ever just like, man, I don't.

605
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: I'm kind of burned out on these things.

606
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 5: I you know, I'm known as like a white tail hunter,

607
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 5: but I very much think of myself as a bow hunter. Yeah,

608
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 5: Like I am excited to bow hunt all kinds of stuff,

609
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 5: whether I will or won't. Like we were talking about,

610
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 5: a lot of these opportunities are starting to cost money,

611
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 5: real money. Yeah, you know, even even DIY stuff, you know,

612
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 5: just even traveling or getting tags, and some tags are

613
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 5: hard to get. Like, these opportunities are really hard and

614
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 5: if some of the things I'd love to bowhunt are

615
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 5: are really hard to come by, so I don't I

616
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 5: don't know how much I'll get to do, but I

617
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 5: very strongly want to bowhunt other species, specifically things that

618
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 5: are difficult to bohunt. You know, I'm really interested in

619
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 5: things that are a challenging bohunt, either physically challenging, mentally challenging,

620
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 5: or the animal itself is like a really cagey, tough

621
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 5: to get an arrow in type tritter. So I don't

622
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 5: know that I'm burnt out with whitetail hunting, but I'm

623
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 5: certainly excited about other species and other opportunities, and that

624
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 5: has really been at least half of my focus the

625
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 5: last few years, and even moving forward, I'm trying to

626
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 5: plan more of that and less of the white tail stuff,

627
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 5: and I think maybe if I get a few of

628
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 5: those experiences under my belt, I'll come for full circle

629
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 5: and come back to the white tail full thing.

630
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: Do you do you plan?

631
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: Because I feel like I sort of need reset moments

632
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: throughout the season, and I love having like a you know,

633
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: a late September like maybe an October meal deer hunt

634
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: where I'm gonna go just spot in stock. I'm not

635
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: sitting in a tree. I like, I need something different.

636
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: I love I love looking forward to that, you know,

637
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: because you start the season and you sit in the

638
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: tree a lot, you know, and it's the typical white

639
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: tail thing, and then you have that hunt that's just

640
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: so different and you go, I feel like I kind

641
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: of go, get it out of my system, and I'm like, man,

642
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: that was so fun, and now I can't wait to

643
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: go back to the white tail. It's like it, I

644
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: feel like I just need that variety a little bit

645
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: to keep super excited about white tail hunting.

646
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean you know that that makes a

647
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 5: break a good point because I remember, if it was

648
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 5: last year, maybe it was two years ago, I did

649
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 5: less whitetail hunting. I actually traveled and did some Western

650
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 5: stuff during kind of that late October timeframe, and I

651
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 5: went and I went in September. Then I went in

652
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 5: late October, and I came back, you know, came back

653
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 5: to Michigan and started getting into the white tails and stuff.

654
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 5: And I was completely out of touch with what was

655
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 5: going on because I hadn't been I'm not I wasn't

656
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 5: in tune with you know, the rhythm of the woods

657
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 5: and where the big bucks were and what the deer

658
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 5: were doing, and because I hadn't really been there and

659
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 5: I've been planning this Western stuff and I didn't like

660
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 5: that feeling at all. And I felt like I missed

661
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 5: out on some really good white tail stuff and I

662
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 5: didn't like that. So that did tell me, like, Man,

663
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 5: I really do still love white tails. I knew I did, but.

664
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: But so hold on though, did you did you not

665
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: like the feeling of coming back and not being in

666
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: the rhythm or did you just not like knowing that

667
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: you had probably missed out on good white tail stuff

668
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: or both?

669
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 5: I felt I felt I didn't like feeling like I

670
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 5: missed out on some of some of the good white

671
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 5: tail hunting that you know in the middle of the

672
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 5: season there, I felt like I missed it and or

673
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 5: missed some of it, and I was doing some other things,

674
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 5: and I just felt like, God, that sucks, you know,

675
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 5: because now I could, yes, I have white tail hunting

676
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 5: ahead of me, but it's like the tough part of

677
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 5: the season. My chances at this and that or are

678
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 5: going to go way down, and I don't know, there's

679
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 5: only so much time and I'm I have limited time, so.

680
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 4: You gotta do what you gotta do.

681
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 5: But it, you know, it kind of brought things back

682
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 5: to me that you know, white tail. White Tail is

683
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 5: my first love, probably my main love. But there are

684
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 5: some things out there that I want to challenge myself

685
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 5: to and I'd like to accomplish an experience, And I mean,

686
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 5: when am I going to do it? Like we were

687
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 5: talking about, probably mentally we're in our prime right now

688
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 5: as far as like dear knowledge. You know, in ten

689
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 5: years I might start getting Alzheimer's or something and forgetting

690
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 5: some of the stuff. But like I feel like mentally

691
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 5: right now, I'm in my prime. Physically, I feel like

692
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 5: I'm coming out of my prime, but I'm trying to

693
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 5: hold onto it. That's why it goes back to that

694
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 5: working out. You know, if you saw me working out, like, yeah,

695
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 5: I lift weights and stuff and I'm pretty strong, but

696
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 5: I'm doing a lot of stretching. I'm doing a lot

697
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 5: of like things for my core and my hips and

698
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 5: my knees so that I can continue to do this

699
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 5: for a lot of years.

700
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 3: So not as many glamour muscle.

701
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 5: No lips, no, no, not as much of that and

702
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 5: more just kind of the longevity stuff. I'm more into

703
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 5: that now and endurance and durability. You know, I'm trying

704
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 5: to kind of I have bad d's. I've had multiple surgeries,

705
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 5: and I'm trying to like push my knees, kind of

706
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 5: beat on them a little bit, not abuse them, but

707
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 5: kind of get them used to like pounding and pounding

708
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 5: that stair stepper and going on runs and stuff so

709
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 5: that they're more conditioned. Because I wasn't doing that before.

710
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 5: And then I'd go to like an OTC hunt in

711
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 5: Colorado and try to crush those mountains. In like day two,

712
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 5: my knees are swelling up and I could barely bend

713
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 5: them because they weren't used to it.

714
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 4: You know.

715
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's a good point. I mean we think,

716
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: you know, we see camera campaigns and like some of

717
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: these guys, the David Goggins type fellas, and there's like

718
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: this this idea that you have to get in shape

719
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: to hunt the mountains and kill big elk and whatever,

720
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: which is like it's just not true. It is super beneficial.

721
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: But the other thing, like when you when you think, oh,

722
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: I don't I don't need to be in shape to

723
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 2: be a white tail hunter that a lot, which is true, right,

724
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of situations where you don't need

725
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 2: to be very physically fit to white tail hunt, but

726
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: if you don't take care of yourself, you might have

727
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: something happen where you can't hunt at all, Like you

728
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: can't get into that tree, or you can't go walk

729
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: the four hundred yards into your stand or whatever. So

730
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: there is a there is an issue there of like

731
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: taking care of yourself so this thing will be there

732
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: for you, you know, Like, sure it could get taken away,

733
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 2: Like a lot of these non resident opportunities are going away,

734
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: you know, urban sprawl, lands getting leased up, all the

735
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: usual suspects for people losing opportunities, but it could be

736
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 2: as simple as you not taking care of yourself and

737
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 2: finding that you get to that point in your life,

738
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: like you said, where you've got some real good deer knowledge.

739
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: You might have enough money to hunt and everything, but

740
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: if your body isn't there for you, it doesn't matter.

741
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you're out of the game.

742
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

743
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 5: I look at a lot of the guys, you know,

744
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 5: some of the guys that I went to school with

745
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 5: at are my age. I'm forty five and it's like

746
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 5: it's kind of shocking, you know how in poor health.

747
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 5: Some of these guys are a lot of my a

748
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 5: lot of my close friends. We have similar interests, so

749
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 5: they're you know, pretty fit. But yeah, it's it's all,

750
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 5: you know, And now I look at things now more

751
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 5: less about you know, having the beach body six pack

752
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 5: and biceps and more of kind of that the longevity

753
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 5: and being able to do what I love, you know,

754
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 5: for as long as possible.

755
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 4: We were talking about John Eberhart.

756
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 5: You know, he just turned seventy three or seventy four,

757
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 5: like yesterday, and he was out trimming you know, a

758
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 5: quarter mile through some cat tails and access to you know,

759
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 5: one of his tree stands. He was, you know, sweating,

760
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 5: breathing hard. I was talking to him on the phone

761
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 5: and I was like, holy crap, man, you are in

762
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 5: your seventies and you're doing this. I mean, he's still

763
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 5: out there just just killing it and putting that work

764
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 5: and he just hasn't slowed down. And I mean that's

765
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 5: a you know, if I could be like that at

766
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 5: that age, that's that's a win.

767
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, huge impressive, that's a huge win.

768
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

769
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 2: But that's you know, there's a guy that just has

770
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: the fire burning man and it's not going out apparently, Yeah,

771
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: and that doesn't that's that's kind of a rare thing,

772
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: but it does. It does seem to to feed it,

773
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: you know, Like I think that a commitment to year

774
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 2: round scouting just it keeps you like just motivated for

775
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: the whole game. You know, Like if you're just I

776
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: think it's easier to give up. If you're like, well,

777
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: you know, I go up north one week a year

778
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: and I rifle hunt with my relatives or whatever. It's

779
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: like eventually something's gonna come up, and you're like, I'm

780
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: not gonna make it, not big deal, do it next year.

781
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: It's easier to get up give up the less committed

782
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: you are. But if you kind of force yourself to

783
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: be like, I got to get something done every week.

784
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: It's got to put in a little bit of effort.

785
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: You're not You're just not as likely to just give

786
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: it up like you're just it's like a snowball thing.

787
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: It's going to feed it and makes it more like

788
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: you like, more important to you, Like now I've got

789
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: something invested in it. It's not just like showing up

790
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: and having somebody take you hunting or something, or walk

791
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: you into the stand.

792
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 3: It's like you did that, Like you did that work.

793
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 4: Don't you feel? Don't you feel though? Like to you know,

794
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 4: like the people that are.

795
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 5: The best at what they do, you know, like a

796
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 5: Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan the Tiger Woods, like you know,

797
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 5: if if you never reached that level, or if you

798
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 5: don't even reach a high level, like people look at

799
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 5: you and they're like, God, you're obsessed and this is

800
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 5: unhealthy or whatever, but it's it's inside you, Like it's

801
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 5: almost not a choice, Like you're there's something inside you

802
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 5: that is driving you to be to work your hardest

803
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 5: at this, to be the best that you can be,

804
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 5: even if you don't ever become great. Like I don't

805
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 5: think that I'm a fantas as to hunter, you know,

806
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 5: I don't really see that. I know people think I am,

807
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 5: but I don't really. I think that I've done it.

808
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 4: A long time.

809
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 5: I've learned a lot. I've learned a lot from my mistakes,

810
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 5: and I dedicate myself.

811
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 4: That's it. I don't. I don't think that I do

812
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 4: anything special.

813
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 5: I couldn't tell you, like, you know, strengths that I

814
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 5: have or you know, or anything that I just I

815
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 5: just think that I've put some things together that helped

816
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 5: me be successful that anybody could do. There's no talent there,

817
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 5: you know. It's just hard work and dedication. But I've

818
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 5: never had to really force myself to do this. It

819
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 5: was more of like a I need to do it,

820
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 5: you know, And I feel like, yeah, some people might

821
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 5: look at a guy like that and call them, you know, obsessed,

822
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 5: and it's unhealthy, but that's how you get the people.

823
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 4: That are great. They were obsessed.

824
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 5: And if you know, if it's like if if they

825
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 5: make it to a super high level and they're making

826
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 5: money at it, then it's cool.

827
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 4: You know, well I'm not doing that.

828
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: Then it's an admirable quality, that's right.

829
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 5: But if it's you know, but if it's somebody else

830
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 5: that they're obsessed with it and they're they're driven, it's

831
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 5: keeping them out of trouble and it's a healthy passion,

832
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 5: you know, hopefully not giving up their family for it,

833
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 5: but like something that drives them to improve and they

834
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 5: become the best that they can be. Like I see that,

835
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 5: and I'm like, that guy is a lucky guy. You know,

836
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 5: he's living a good life.

837
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 4: You know.

838
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 5: So I for me, I haven't really had to like

839
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 5: force myself, like you said, you know once it, you know,

840
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 5: once a week to work at this or anything. It's

841
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 5: more like more a lot of times I have to

842
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 5: almost turn it off, you know, I almost have to

843
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 5: do the opposite. But there are times, especially as I

844
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 5: get older, where it's I have the knowledge I have

845
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 5: spots that I I don't really need to go and

846
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 5: build on spots anymore. I do, but I could take

847
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 5: a year off, you know, not add new scouting and

848
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 5: just kind of go back with my previous areas that

849
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 5: I know and probably have a good But as I

850
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 5: get older, there's there's more of that. Like occasionally I

851
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 5: come to those those crossroads where it's like, okay, you

852
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 5: know you need to get out there and work at it.

853
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 5: But I don't know, when I was coming up, it

854
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 5: was the opposite. I never had to like make that choice.

855
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 5: That choice was made every time I opened my eyes

856
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 5: in the morning. It's like this is what I'm doing

857
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 5: after work, and I'm going scouting. I would scout five

858
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 5: to six days a week. Literally, I'd go right from

859
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 5: work and I would scout tell dark and it was

860
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 5: just all I wanted to do, you know, that was

861
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 5: like you know twenty you know, I couldn't really do

862
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 5: it in college, but like as soon as I got

863
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 5: like a regular job, so probably like twenty two through,

864
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 5: you know, till when my daughter was born, that's what

865
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 5: I did.

866
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 4: And I think.

867
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 5: That that that level of obsessiveness and that focus and

868
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 5: devoting all that time, that's where that that's where the

869
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 5: I fell in love, and that's where I laid a

870
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 5: lot of that groundwork of screwing up but learning a

871
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 5: lot because I just devoted so much time to it,

872
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 5: you know, just so much time, and then that knowledge

873
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 5: builds and you could taper time, taper the time back

874
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 5: a little bit, but you're much more keen and tuned

875
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:23,479
Speaker 5: in with your decision making and your instincts as a hunter,

876
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 5: or more tuned in. And then not to mention all

877
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 5: the benefit of all those areas you've scouted and hunted

878
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 5: and all those experiences that you can pull from now

879
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 5: and now it's starting to become like a thing right

880
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 5: where you are a very effective hunter. So it's like

881
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 5: it's kind of like a combination of all that. But

882
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 5: I think if a guy's like forcing him, like he

883
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 5: wants to be a good hunter. He thinks he wants to,

884
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 5: but he's forcing himself, like, all right, you know, once

885
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 5: a week, I'm gonna do this. I sometimes I question

886
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 5: if that guy really wants that, or if he just,

887
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 5: you know, he wants to shoot a big buck or

888
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 5: two or whatever, because I feel like if it's if

889
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 5: it's in you, you won't need to fight yourself on

890
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 5: it too much. I talk about my daughter a little bit.

891
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 5: She's a very talented basketball player. Okay, she has all

892
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 5: the potential in the world. I worry about her work

893
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 5: ethic in basketball. I've you know, she when she was younger,

894
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 5: she had an incredible work ethic. She was wanting to

895
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 5: work all the time, you know, outside of practice, and

896
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 5: her and I would just work and work and work,

897
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 5: and she just skyrocketed. She was head and shoulders above everybody.

898
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 5: And then she hit a certain age where it kind

899
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 5: of slowed down and it became more of a more

900
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 5: of a hassle of trying to get her to put

901
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 5: in the work. And I found myself me trying to,

902
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 5: you know, get her to do work rather than her

903
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 5: asking me to. So then I started to question, does

904
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 5: she really love this? You know she does she like

905
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 5: the competition, but does she or does she really want

906
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 5: to be like the best basketball player that she can be,

907
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 5: you know, and maybe play at college at some level

908
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 5: or some thing. And I'm kind of in that zone

909
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 5: right now where I don't know, she's fourteen, She's still

910
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 5: got the potential, but she's kind of tapered off a

911
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 5: little bit. She had an injury, but like, that desire

912
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 5: and that work ethic is kind of slowing down, and

913
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 5: I find myself trying to drag her out to work

914
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 5: on her game more than she's wanting to do it.

915
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 5: So then I question that because I think if if

916
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 5: it's inside you and you really want that, you really

917
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 5: have that love and it's that desire to be, like, dude,

918
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 5: I want to be the best that I can be

919
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 5: at this because I love it so much. I'm so

920
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 5: passionate about it. I want to do this NonStop. It's

921
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 5: there and you don't have to fight it too much.

922
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 2: Do you think with her because she broke her ankle, right,

923
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: she did, so, do you think that she had a

924
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: moment because she's still coming back from that where she

925
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: realized this stuff could just go away and it's harder

926
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: I mean she's fourteen, right, like you might just you know, like,

927
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of people would be surprised

928
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: if you were like, hey, my fourteen year old doesn't

929
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 2: have a strong work ethic.

930
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 3: People will be like, yeah, no, shit, man.

931
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: But do you think there was a moment for her

932
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: where she was working hard, doing everything right, loving the game,

933
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden it's just taken away.

934
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: You have that volleyball injury, and all of a sudden,

935
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: you're a sideline for months. Like I wonder if that's

936
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: like contributing to it.

937
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 5: That's been a huge part of it. But she's always

938
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 5: been a hot and cold player. Like she's like a

939
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 5: coach's nightmare because and I coached her for a lot

940
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 5: of years, so I know she's the coach's dream because

941
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 5: she has this super competitive spirit and she gets at

942
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 5: a game and a big game and she rises up,

943
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 5: you know, and she wants to win, and when if

944
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 5: she doesn't win, it kills her. And she can go

945
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 5: to through these periods where she is the hardest worker

946
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 5: in the gym, hands down, and she gets us like

947
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 5: chip on her shoulder and she'll just take over games.

948
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 5: But then she might show up and give you sixty

949
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 5: percent and you're like, what in the hell. You know,

950
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 5: but you got this other kid over here that gives

951
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 5: one hundred percent every time in the gym, and she

952
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 5: slowly climbing the ladder but doesn't have the potential. So

953
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 5: she's kind of always had that hot and cold and

954
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 5: it's extremely frustrating as a coach. But yeah, after that injury,

955
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 5: you know, she's lost a lot of confidence.

956
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 4: She said to me multiple times.

957
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 5: She goes, I don't ever think I'll get back to

958
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 5: where I was, you know, and she's like, why why

959
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 5: am I even doing this' she said that.

960
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 4: So I try to help her work.

961
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, trying to help her work through that, and

962
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 5: she is behind, but she's you know, she's climbing back.

963
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 4: She's still a good ballplayer.

964
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 5: She's not where she was, but she's she's climbing back,

965
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 5: and you know, I tell her, you know what, You've

966
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 5: had a pretty easy life. You're fortunate. You know, you

967
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 5: have two parents that love you, You got everything you need.

968
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 5: You've never really faced any type of hardship like this is.

969
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 5: This is hard, This is adversity, and this is going

970
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 5: to make you tougher, even if it even if you

971
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 5: don't end up playing basketball in college, like, you're gonna

972
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 5: remember going through this because she kept such a positive

973
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 5: mindset through it all. I was like, this is going

974
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 5: to help you through life. So yeah, that's a big factor.

975
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 5: And we're still working through that, but she's she's coming along.

976
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just slow, but I don't know how

977
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 5: it'll all pan out.

978
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 4: Man.

979
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: Getting a hold of your mental side of things is

980
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: a is a real benefit, man. I mean, just think

981
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: about I've had so many times in my hunting life.

982
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: Oh here's the best example. Yeah, I know you're an anomaly.

983
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: You went out and killed a giant Michigan buck seven

984
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 2: seconds after you started bow hunting. But most people don't

985
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 2: quickly kill big ones. Doing hunting the way that you do,

986
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: and even doing hunting not the way you do with

987
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: having better properties and stuff.

988
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 3: It's still hard.

989
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 2: But there's you know how it is where people struggle, struggle, struggle,

990
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: and they killed that first good one, you know, that

991
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: first big one whatever it is, one twenty five, one forty,

992
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: whatever that buck is.

993
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 3: That's like that. I'm in the big leagues now.

994
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: It seems like people get over that hurdle and they're

995
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 2: gonna get over it a lot more. And I think

996
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: a huge component of that is just you now know

997
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: that can happen, Like mentally, you go that is a

998
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 2: reality for me at some point, Like your daughter saying,

999
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,479
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think I'll ever get back there again.

1000
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: That's holding her back. But she's thinking about that like

1001
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: that's way on her shoulders because she's never gone through

1002
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: this and come back. And when she does come back fully,

1003
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: she's gonna be like, holy shit, like what I was

1004
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: thinking was wrong or like I did I read this

1005
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: situation wrong. And it's a long thing, but the same

1006
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: thing happens to us hunters where man, when you're on

1007
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: the struggle bus and you can't kill a good one

1008
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: or whatever it is you're trying to do your first

1009
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: year or your first big buck, when you cross that,

1010
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: like when that happens to you, you just go, oh, now,

1011
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 2: I know, like you start to believe in yourself like

1012
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 2: this can happen again, and yeah, like it doesn't get easy,

1013
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 2: but it gets easier.

1014
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 5: M Yeah, I was really lucky and fortunate, like really

1015
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 5: early on in my bow hunting journey, I killed a

1016
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 5: nice buck in Michigan and one that caught a lot

1017
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 5: of attention. I mean, it wasn't a giant, but it

1018
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 5: was bigger than any buck all my acquaintances I had

1019
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 5: ever seen or shot. And it was complete luck. There

1020
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 5: was a zero skill involved. It was just me being

1021
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 5: out there and this buck comes walking by, like I

1022
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 5: didn't know.

1023
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:21,479
Speaker 4: He was there.

1024
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 5: But after I shot that deer I did, I felt like, wow,

1025
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 5: you know, I can do this, And then I saw

1026
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 5: everyone's reaction to it and like, holy crap, you know,

1027
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 5: like that is a big buck. So then from that

1028
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 5: point on, early on, I wanted that. I wanted that

1029
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 5: feeling of being successful on a rare animal, you know,

1030
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 5: or on an older animal. And I was different than

1031
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 5: a lot of guys coming up because a lot of

1032
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 5: guys will shoot, you know, five, six, ten, fifteen little

1033
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 5: bucks and kind of climb that ladder.

1034
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 4: Well.

1035
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 5: I shot a spike for my first buck, and it's

1036
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 5: so small I could I could fit the whole wreck

1037
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 5: of the pump in my hand. And uh, you know,

1038
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 5: this was my first buck, but my second buck was

1039
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 5: like a nice one, you know, And then I never

1040
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 5: went backwards.

1041
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 3: Hey, how did you keep your shit together? When that

1042
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 3: buck was walking in.

1043
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 4: I don't know. You know, I don't, I don't know.

1044
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: I mean, were you did your eyes pop out of

1045
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 3: your head when you saw him?

1046
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1047
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 5: I mean I was completely nervous, but you know I was.

1048
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 5: I I've told this before, but I took to archery

1049
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 5: as strong or stronger than I took to bow hunting first.

1050
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 5: I became completely obsessed with archery. So I was quite

1051
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 5: good with a bow, even though I had only been

1052
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 5: shooting it for a couple of years. I mean I

1053
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 5: was quite good. And you know, it was an easy shot,

1054
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 5: you know, an easy, easy shot. It wasn't a difficult shot.

1055
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 5: But yeah, I was completely nervous and my heart was

1056
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 5: pounding on my chest, but I made the shot somehow.

1057
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 5: And uh, from that point on, I became a little

1058
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 5: more selective than a typical guy starting out.

1059
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 4: I mean I wasn't a kid. I wasn't a I

1060
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 4: was a young adult.

1061
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 2: But when you say when you killed that buck and

1062
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: you didn't know he was there and it was total

1063
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: luck when it when it happened for you, did that

1064
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: sort of set you on a course to like think, okay,

1065
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: you knew that was luck, right, Like, no matter what

1066
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 2: you knew, there was like a component of that, But

1067
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: were you like I got to figure out why?

1068
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 4: Why?

1069
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 2: Like why did that happen there? I mean, like did

1070
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 2: it force you to like sort of reverse engineer the

1071
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: situation and go like, how can I get this again?

1072
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 2: Like he wasn't an accident.

1073
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 3: He was there.

1074
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 2: Maybe it was an accident. You were there to intercept

1075
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: him to some extent, But did it just like cause

1076
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: you to go, Okay, that feeling I'm chasing that again,

1077
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 2: like I gotta, I gotta figure out how to make

1078
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: this happen more.

1079
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 5: I think that came later. Okay, yeah, I think you

1080
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 5: know at that point on what it did. What it

1081
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 5: did do is it made me more selective. I was

1082
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 5: past I started passing Bucks, which I probably never would

1083
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 5: have done had I not shot that buck, probably would

1084
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 5: have shot the next, you know, a four point and

1085
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 5: then a six point, then a little basket eight.

1086
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 4: But I never did that.

1087
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 5: I started passing you know, decent like two year old

1088
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 5: Bucks and stuff. And I was still of the mindset that,

1089
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 5: you know, you killed big Bucks by just being out

1090
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 5: there and working hard and putting in your time and

1091
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 5: being persistent. And that's kind of how I hunted for

1092
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 5: the next five years. I mean, yes, I started learning,

1093
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 5: but I was a persistent hunter and just stubborn, you know,

1094
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 5: putting time out there. But I always, you know, I

1095
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 5: never I never learned those bad habits from call them bad,

1096
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 5: They're not bad. But I never learned habits from like

1097
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 5: a dad or a grandpa, Like you know, you hang

1098
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 5: your stand here and you put your your corn pile there,

1099
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 5: or you know, you hang your stand in this corner

1100
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 5: of this field and you hunted every day on you know,

1101
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 5: I never did that.

1102
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 4: I was. I hung a few stands as I.

1103
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 5: Could afford them, but I always had a stand with me.

1104
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 5: And I started doing the mobile thing like really early,

1105
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 5: you know, really early. So I started, probably I don't know,

1106
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 5: five six years later, It's like, okay, you know, I've

1107
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 5: been hunting day near every day of the season. I'm

1108
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 5: seeing a lot, I'm learning a lot. I'm moving towards

1109
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 5: deer when I observe them, you know, I'm blowing them out. Okay,

1110
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 5: that was too close, you know, next time, I'm being

1111
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 5: a little more cautious. Then I noticed my my stand,

1112
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 5: my steel stand as noisy as hell. So I'm starting

1113
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 5: to tape things up on it, try to make it

1114
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 5: quiet because so I can hang it quietly. You know,

1115
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 5: I'm starting to piece these things together on my own,

1116
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 5: and you know, you start to learn that, Okay, you know,

1117
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 5: just because I'm sitting here and I see a deer,

1118
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 5: move over there. I don't have to sit here and

1119
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 5: hope he comes by tomorrow. Like no, I'm going to

1120
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 5: move over there and try and try to make a

1121
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 5: move on him. So that became my my style immediately.

1122
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 5: I didn't have anybody teaching me otherwise.

1123
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 3: Dude.

1124
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: That's I've talked about this too, but that's exactly how

1125
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: I started. I had one stand, one big steel stand

1126
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: with a chain on it, and I'd go out find

1127
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: a place that looked like it should I should be

1128
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: able to see a deer. So I was hunting like

1129
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 2: the beautiful woods you know are the field edge, and

1130
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 2: then I'd see one like pull it every night, move

1131
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,959
Speaker 2: it like so like accidental mobile hunting. And you just realize,

1132
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 2: I think when you do that versus like you said,

1133
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 2: like a lot of people they're like, I have my stand,

1134
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: Like I went to my stand and it's like the

1135
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: ladders stand on the edge of the field or whatever,

1136
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: and that's great, but you don't experience necessarily what you

1137
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: need to to get good at figuring out deer. That way,

1138
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: like you're just like I'm gonna cross my fingers and

1139
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: hope they come by, you know. And sometimes it's like

1140
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 2: if you're on a really small property or something like it,

1141
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 2: there's there's only so much you can do, but you

1142
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: also should probably find some other place to hunt, like

1143
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 2: you know. But anyway, when you when you start doing that,

1144
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 2: you do just it starts to feed itself. It's like, man,

1145
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: I like having a new view. I like, no, if

1146
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: I sit here today and it sucks, I'm not here tomorrow,

1147
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 2: you know, like I'm gonna go find something else. Or

1148
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 2: like you said, you see a buck walking somewhere, you

1149
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: just go there, like the next time you can go there,

1150
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 2: when you can hunt and the conditions are right, you

1151
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: just move there and maybe he comes by, maybe he doesn't.

1152
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 2: But man, the game changes when you're like in that

1153
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: mindset and you just give into it and do it

1154
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 2: a lot.

1155
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 4: Yep.

1156
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 5: And then if you have that mindset too, of like

1157
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 5: when you're trying all these things and you're really you know,

1158
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 5: you fail and you're making these mistakes, you're really like

1159
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 5: breaking it down, like not just like oh shoot, you know,

1160
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 5: I blow them out and you'll leave and you never

1161
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 5: think about it again. You're thinking about why it failed,

1162
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 5: What could I have done differently to make it not fail?

1163
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 5: Like could I have been quieter setting up the stand?

1164
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 5: Or what if I had hunted from the ground here

1165
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 5: and didn't even get up in the stand, he would

1166
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 5: never would have known I was here, Or I needed

1167
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 5: to be in that tree instead of this one, or

1168
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 5: you know, he was using the wind in a certain

1169
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 5: way and it didn't work for our I was sitting

1170
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 5: because it was swirling here. Whatever it is. You start

1171
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 5: to least those things together, but you have to have

1172
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 5: that that mindset of like I've heard you and Mark

1173
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 5: talk about it, like asking yourself why and really trying

1174
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 5: to figure this out, like really trying to learn and

1175
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 5: dig into this. And it's a long game. It's a

1176
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 5: it's a it's a journey. It's a marathon of just

1177
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 5: building that information. You're slowly piecing these things together, and

1178
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 5: then you get that count, you get more confidence to

1179
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 5: you know, to try these things because you've you've you've

1180
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 5: messed up on them, and you've screwed up on things.

1181
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 5: So you have a little more confidence to try do

1182
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 5: things and continue to learn.

1183
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: So, man, when you you said something there that made

1184
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 2: me think of this sort of there's like an intangible

1185
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: skill that some people have who've done a lot of

1186
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: mobile hunting, which is and it ties the scouting too,

1187
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: like it it eventually gets there. But reading trees, like

1188
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: reading your setups. I mean I go out there and

1189
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've done this too, Like I've gone out

1190
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: with people who aren't just not very experienced, and they're like,

1191
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 2: where's my perfectly straight tree, you know, with no limbs

1192
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 2: that I can get into super easy. And then they're

1193
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 2: up fourteen feet facing right where they expect the deer

1194
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: to come from. And then you watch somebody who's done

1195
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: a lot of the mobile hunting and grew up doing

1196
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: it like you're talking about, and the way that they

1197
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 2: view their setups.

1198
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 3: Is like an art.

1199
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: It's like I'm going to get there's a you know,

1200
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: I can see up in that tree and it it's

1201
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: crooked this way, but all of a sudden, there's six

1202
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 2: feet where it's you know, flat and straight up, and

1203
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 2: that's facing away from the deer going to be passing

1204
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: by here at twenty three yards and like you get

1205
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 2: tucked in there, and it's really that's probably one of

1206
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: the biggest benefits if you're kind of new to this

1207
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: or you're struggling a little bit, if you can get

1208
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: with somebody who knows how that game and watch them

1209
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 2: go out, have them read trees, like have them read

1210
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 2: a situation. Cause you know, we talk about scouting and

1211
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 2: it's like, go find the spot where the buck's like

1212
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: to walk right, Like where's the community scrape or whatever,

1213
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 2: Like that's a component you got to be around deer.

1214
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 2: But if you don't know how to do that set

1215
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: up correctly, if you're hunting really pressure, dear, you're you're

1216
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 2: at a big disadvantage. And the more you do it,

1217
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: the better you get it, because, like you said, if

1218
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 2: that wind's swirling in there, or you get busted, you know,

1219
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 2: grabbing your bow or however it shakes out, every one

1220
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: of those is a learning experience. And you know, like

1221
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: you probably do this, you know, every season, and I

1222
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 2: know I do. Where I look at a tree, I'm like,

1223
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 2: that's the one, and then I get all the way

1224
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: up there and get set up and I look around,

1225
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: I go nope, and it all comes down and now

1226
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm ten yards over this way, or I just can't

1227
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: get it.

1228
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 3: To work for whatever reason.

1229
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 2: But there's an art to that that starts probably winter scouting,

1230
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 2: I would think, and just like, Okay, this spot covered

1231
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 2: in rubs, looks like he's coming from this swamp or

1232
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: he's using this bench.

1233
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 3: How how do I take advantage of that? Like where's

1234
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 3: the setup?

1235
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 2: And it's not just like Okay, there's a straight tree

1236
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 2: over there, that's good enough. It's like you got to

1237
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 2: get over there, get the base of that, walk around it,

1238
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: like take a real look, and then you got to

1239
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: figure out how do I get in there? Like can

1240
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: I get here? This might be the greatest spot in

1241
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 2: the world, doesn't do any good if you can't access it.

1242
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 3: There's so much to it.

1243
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's funny you say that, because you know that's

1244
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 5: just being you know, a good woodsman, and it comes

1245
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 5: from experience, you know, getting busted and whatnot. And you know,

1246
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm pretty good at that. You know,

1247
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm pretty good at you know, picking

1248
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 5: those trees and picking where I can you know, stay

1249
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 5: hidden up in the tree where I won't get detected.

1250
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 5: But the last couple of years, I have kind of

1251
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 5: regressed in some of the basic woodsmanship of like tree

1252
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 5: selection and set up selection. And I've talked about this before,

1253
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 5: like I've made so many mistakes the last couple of years.

1254
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 4: It's insane.

1255
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 5: But that's what I love about bon hunting is because

1256
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 5: it's so it could be so humbling, and I am humbled.

1257
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 5: Like I had a great ear last year, but believe me.

1258
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 4: I am humbled.

1259
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 5: I have no elevated sense of self trust me. But dude,

1260
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 5: I got busted so many times because I started getting

1261
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 5: I don't even want to cocky or arrogant, because I

1262
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 5: never felt cocky or arrogant, but I felt like I

1263
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 5: could pull off things because I had had done it successfully.

1264
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 5: I started to get a little careless with my setups

1265
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 5: and in setting up exactly like you said, you know

1266
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 5: this tree, you know it's not perfect, but I'll pull

1267
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,439
Speaker 5: it off. You know, I'll just hold still and I'll

1268
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 5: pull it off, or I'll hide behind the tree until

1269
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 5: the deer comes through. Well, it's it's all these other

1270
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 5: deer that are coming through first and get behind you,

1271
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 5: and you're fifteen foot up in a saddle with no

1272
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 5: cover and it's like they're right here looking up.

1273
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 4: At you, like what in the heck?

1274
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 5: Or you're in the tree stand like you said, facing

1275
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 5: and you know that deer picks you off from eighty

1276
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 5: yards away as you're like, you know, you pick your

1277
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 5: nose or something.

1278
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 4: You're like Jesus.

1279
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 5: So, you know, I started to get away from some

1280
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,919
Speaker 5: of the basics, like the stuff you learn in those

1281
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 5: first five years of hunting when you're really kind of

1282
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 5: in tune. I started getting away from some of that.

1283
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 3: And it bites in the ass, man.

1284
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 4: It does. I mean, that's what I love.

1285
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 5: I just love that about bow hunting because you I

1286
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 5: feel like I never I never reach a pinnacle, right

1287
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 5: like you you do well, you have some good seasons,

1288
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 5: and it just knocks you right back down.

1289
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 4: You know, I wounded.

1290
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 5: I wounded a deer this year, an easy bow shot,

1291
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 5: like a shot that someone with my experience should never make.

1292
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 5: I made up for it and got him later in

1293
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 5: the season. I hit another buck, didn't recover him, recovered

1294
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 5: them after the season, lost the meat.

1295
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 4: You know. It's a terrible feeling.

1296
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 3: Yep.

1297
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 5: Mistakes, you know, mistakes, and it's just it just humbles me.

1298
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 5: And if anything, it just it realigns my focus that,

1299
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 5: you know what, you're not that good at this. There

1300
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 5: is a lot of room for growth and you can

1301
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 5: do better. And it kind of reinvigorates that that drive

1302
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 5: a little bit, that like there's still there's still a

1303
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 5: lot of work to do, there's still a lot of

1304
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 5: improvements to be made. If that's your goal, if you're

1305
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 5: still want to be the best ball hunter you could be,

1306
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 5: You're not there yet. So it's it's it's it's cool.

1307
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 5: Is as painful as that is. It can knock you

1308
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 5: down several pegs, and you know, maybe I needed it,

1309
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 5: maybe I didn't, but just just some of that basic stuff,

1310
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 5: basic setting up in a tree and staying in the

1311
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 5: shadows and things that we know, you know, just staying undetected.

1312
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 5: And I was getting a little careless with my setups,

1313
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 5: and I was getting busted left and right. I felt like,

1314
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 5: out of out of every ten hunts, nine hunts, I

1315
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 5: was alerting the whole woods that I'm of my presence,

1316
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 5: like here I am, I'm hunting you guys now, like run,

1317
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 5: you know.

1318
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 4: It's like it's just every time I was accessing.

1319
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 5: Like deer, we're fine everywhere, and I'm like, what's going on,

1320
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 5: Like I just you know.

1321
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you were? Because I know for me,

1322
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 2: I'm I'm pretty type A with that stuff. But I

1323
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 2: can do the same thing I get. I can just

1324
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 2: like I can get a little lazy, or I can think,

1325
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 2: I can think like I'm good enough to get around this.

1326
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 2: And then if I set up or you know, not

1327
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 2: only set up, but access like you're talking or whatever,

1328
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 2: if I have that like nagging feeling in my head

1329
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 2: that I settled, like you settled for something, like you

1330
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 2: settled for this tree, or you settled for this spot,

1331
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 2: or you know, like you settled for walking in the

1332
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 2: easy way instead of the way you you knew you should.

1333
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 2: I I always regret it like it's a it's it

1334
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 2: not only is it a mental thing, but like you said,

1335
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 2: it actually becomes something that costs me, dear, And I

1336
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 2: know I'm doing it like you know you're doing it sometimes,

1337
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 2: Like we were talking on the when we were on

1338
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 2: the boat one day about the difference between sitting in

1339
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,919
Speaker 2: a tree stand and sitting in a saddle, And it's

1340
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 2: easier to move in a saddle sometimes because you're hanging

1341
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 2: off the so you have to you know, if you're

1342
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 2: sitting down in a stand, you don't have to think

1343
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 2: about not moving as much, but when you're hanging from

1344
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 2: a saddle, you have to be more conscious of that.

1345
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 2: You have to be more cognizant of the fact that

1346
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 2: you can swing around a little or you know, your

1347
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 2: kind of hands free and doing your thing. And it's

1348
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: just it's like it's not a knock on them, but

1349
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 2: it's like something that you have to actively acknowledge and

1350
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 2: work at otherwise it costs your dear.

1351
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, for sure, just staying still and that that's

1352
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 5: something that is getting harder for me as I age,

1353
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 5: is sitting still, and it has to do with a

1354
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 5: lot of to do with like my hips in my back,

1355
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 5: because when I sit or stand or just stay stationary

1356
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 5: and don't move for a period of time, I became

1357
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 5: I become real antsy and my back will actually start

1358
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 5: to like cinch up and I'll get pain in my

1359
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 5: hips and I kind of need to I kind of

1360
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 5: need to like rotate and stretch my back out. So

1361
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 5: I'm I'm doing that a lot in the tree and

1362
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 5: it's costing me. You know, I'm getting detected a little bit,

1363
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 5: and it's yeah, you like sometimes I could just like

1364
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 5: tough it out and be like don't move, don't move,

1365
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 5: but then it's like you just lose focused. And I

1366
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 5: just I'm so used to doing that throughout the day.

1367
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 5: Like you see me on the boat, like I'm stretching

1368
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 5: and I'm you know, turning and stretching my back it

1369
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 5: cinches up. So it's something I have to be really

1370
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 5: cognizan of cognizant of up in the tree because I

1371
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 5: have been getting picked off more as I age. But

1372
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 5: you know, it's all it's all fun. It's just as

1373
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 5: you get older and you experience more things change, new

1374
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 5: challenges come, and uh, I don't know it's fun.

1375
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 2: But I mean I think I think you're right though,

1376
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 2: when you keep doing this stuff. You know, we've kind

1377
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 2: of in the hunting industry, we've sold this message that

1378
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 2: you know, you buy this clothes or you buy these

1379
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 2: calls or you do whatever, and you listen to whoever

1380
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,439
Speaker 2: talk and you emulate them. Eventually you're going to get

1381
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 2: this thing mastered. And you just don't like you every

1382
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 2: season and you know, you've had some just banger seasons

1383
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 2: and I've had a couple that were is freaking awesome,

1384
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 2: but you're never that far away from that clunker where

1385
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 2: that just like sets you back into reality where you

1386
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 2: go like you can't you can't win this game. Like

1387
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 2: you can keep playing and you can have some success,

1388
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 2: but overall, it's gonna kick your ass most of the time,

1389
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 2: and I don't care. You might string together four or

1390
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 2: five really good seasons with White Tails a Western game

1391
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 2: in a row, and you're gonna have one where you're like,

1392
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 2: I'm just making huge mistakes, like I just can't get

1393
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 2: it together, and that's just the way it goes. But

1394
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 2: that's I think that's why it's so addicting.

1395
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 4: Mm hm, Like.

1396
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we kind of need to be

1397
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 2: knocked on our ass a little bit and try something

1398
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 2: really hard and still fail and still go like have

1399
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 2: to get up and make that decision like you were

1400
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 2: talking about earlier, like am I gonna keep doing this

1401
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 2: this thing that's not being very much fun for me

1402
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 2: right now but I know what it'll give me when

1403
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 2: it works out? Or am I gonna just not do it?

1404
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 2: Or am I gonna just go settle for that easy?

1405
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 2: And it's it's a weird. It's weird that we choose

1406
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 2: to do this, like it's weird that you know, all

1407
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 2: the people listening is love da whitetail hunt when it

1408
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 2: it's guaranteed to do that to you and make you

1409
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 2: feel so small and so humbled and so bad at it.

1410
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 2: But it's like there's something to that.

1411
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that does. It's what

1412
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 5: keeps you coming back, right, It's kind of like, you know,

1413
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 5: it's kind of like golf.

1414
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 4: You can't master it.

1415
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 5: You know you're gonna hit bad shots and you're gonna

1416
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 5: have bad scores, but it like you get those few good,

1417
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 5: clean hits, it keeps you coming back. And you know,

1418
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 5: hunting is the same way, like you you get knocked

1419
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 5: on your butt and it kind of like in my case,

1420
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 5: it reinvigorates the drive, like I don't want that to

1421
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 5: happen again. I got to button that up, and you

1422
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 5: do and then something else happens, you know, and it's

1423
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 5: just it's just constant, and you just you start to realize,

1424
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 5: like you're never like a master hunter. You know, you're

1425
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 5: out there with wild animals and you're gonna make mistakes

1426
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 5: because you're huge.

1427
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 4: Man. It's hard, and you're up against.

1428
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 5: Something that is doesn't want to be killed and is

1429
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 5: extremely you know, the instincts are the survival instincts are

1430
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 5: just really hard to overcome.

1431
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you ever have anybody out there tell

1432
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 2: you that they're a master hunter, maybe throat punch them

1433
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 2: and run away because you don't need that shit in

1434
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 2: your life. It's kind of like, you know, giving yourself

1435
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 2: a nickname, like just don't do it. Just don't do it,

1436
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,560
Speaker 2: like that's that's not cool. If somebody else wants to

1437
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 2: give you a nickname, great, Uh, don't give yourself one.

1438
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 3: Animet. We have to go catch some fish here. We can't.

1439
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 2: We can't talk about deer forever. Let's wrap this sucker up.

1440
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 2: Because we were going to talk about scouting. We mostly didn't,

1441
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 2: which which is okay. We cover We covered a lot

1442
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 2: of good stuff. First off. How like, any given week

1443
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 2: throughout the summer right now, how many days are you

1444
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 2: giving a little bit of your time to scouting?

1445
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 4: I would say I probably am averaging like scouting.

1446
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 5: I'm talking like you're going out to a piece of

1447
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 5: ground and you're scouting some new ground or a piece

1448
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 5: of permission property or whatever. You're setting stands, are actually

1449
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 5: looking for sign two to three days per week. Yeah,

1450
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 5: I would say probably, but there might be a week

1451
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 5: where I don't do any And if I don't do

1452
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 5: any I'm going to be doing way more shooting my bow.

1453
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 5: I'm going to be doing something else that I think

1454
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 5: is going to help me get better. But as far

1455
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 5: as like, yeah, boots on the ground scouting, you know,

1456
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 5: it really peaks in that kind of like March April timeframe.

1457
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 5: I try to get a lot done as soon as

1458
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 5: that snow melts. Yep, That's when I like to get

1459
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 5: a lot of it done. And then kind of turkey

1460
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 5: rolls in. I'm still scouting, but I'm trying to get

1461
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 5: some turkey hunting. In May, I'm still doing quite a

1462
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 5: bit of scouting. And then you're starting to get to

1463
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 5: that June in July, and it slows down for me.

1464
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 5: If I feel like I haven't gotten to a lot

1465
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 5: of stuff, I'll continue kind of sprinkling it throughout the summer.

1466
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 5: If I feel like I've done a great job, you know,

1467
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 5: in that early spring and spring, you know, maybe I

1468
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 5: focus more on some other things. It just kind of

1469
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 5: depends that June and July tends to slow down a

1470
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 5: little bit. I don't feel like I need to be

1471
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 5: out pound in the woods a lot. I try to

1472
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 5: do that earlier, but if I can't, I'll sprinkle it

1473
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 5: through maybe once a week, maybe twice a week, maybe

1474
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 5: three times a week, just depending on the time. And

1475
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 5: as you get closer to season, that's when I start

1476
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 5: to ramp it up a little bit. I might get

1477
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 5: some cameras out. I'm starting to do a little more glassing.

1478
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 5: I'm really starting to prepare for an early season hunt,

1479
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 5: you know, whether that's out of state or in state.

1480
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 5: I'm trying to locate maybe a specific deer, narrow down

1481
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 5: one or two specific dear to chase in my home

1482
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 5: state or Ohio or wherever I'm at. So there's a

1483
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 5: gap in there where it kind of slows down, and

1484
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 5: we're kind of approaching that gap right now. I didn't

1485
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 5: get as much spring scouting in done as I wanted to.

1486
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 4: I got quite a.

1487
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 5: Bit, So I'll probably continue the one to three days

1488
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 5: a week yep, throughout the summer.

1489
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 2: Do do you feel because I you know, we've talked

1490
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 2: about there's a ton with winter scouting, and I'm the

1491
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 2: same way, Like the value there is way high, and

1492
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 2: then you get into midsummer, and to me, like winter

1493
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 2: scouting is, I'm I'm sort of building just a database

1494
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 2: of spots that I'm like, this place could be, you know,

1495
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 2: an October spot or you know whatever, This could be

1496
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 2: a rut funnel blah blah blah, like just kind of

1497
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 2: like backfill in some of those spots. But you're also

1498
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 2: just building knowledge of an area, like I know, I

1499
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 2: want to be around this area because of the sign

1500
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,440
Speaker 2: or whatever. But there's not like a lot of specific

1501
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 2: plans built around spring scouting. It's just like generally good

1502
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 2: for me, you know, Like I know, it's generally gonna

1503
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 2: help me out. And then you get into the summer,

1504
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 2: and like you said, you might start glass and you

1505
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 2: might start you know, running some cameras, and then the

1506
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 2: summer starts to get closer to the end and you

1507
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 2: start to put together like real pieces of a plan,

1508
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Likeuse now you're kinda maybe

1509
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 2: drawn from some of that spring scouting and going, man,

1510
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 2: you know, that place was covered in rubs and then

1511
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 2: I saw this big buck out in the field and

1512
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, is he gonna be here on October

1513
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 2: one open or whatever? And then you start to make

1514
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 2: like specific plans for deer.

1515
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 5: Do you do that, Yeah, a lot of my One

1516
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 5: of the reasons I like to scout in the spring

1517
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 5: before green up is specifically for like rut hunting, like

1518
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 5: you said, more of like a general area I'm looking

1519
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 5: for rut sign maybe some good rout funnels in between,

1520
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 5: like some bedding areas or whatever. I might be just

1521
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 5: using that time to tackle a whole new area that

1522
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 5: I've never been in, or an area that I want

1523
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 5: to learn more because I can just see everything so clearly,

1524
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 5: and you're just kind of, like you said, generally learning

1525
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 5: the area, maybe some spots to key in on for

1526
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 5: the next season or seasons down the road, kind of

1527
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 5: like the beginning of that process. But a lot of

1528
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 5: times too, I love that time for actually being a

1529
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 5: little more specific. Like if I know that a big

1530
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 5: buck survived in this area and I think I maybe

1531
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 5: have access or you know, he's betted on this piece

1532
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 5: of public or on this piece of ground that I

1533
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 5: can access, or he might be betted some of the time,

1534
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 5: and I don't know that. I'm diving in and I'm

1535
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 5: really trying to find that and I'm trying to figure

1536
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 5: out maybe through what I see in sign and like

1537
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,600
Speaker 5: the age of it, the timing of it, trying to

1538
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 5: maybe estimate a timeframe of when he's using this area,

1539
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 5: going back with what are some of my observations of

1540
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 5: the deer? When did I see him coming through? Did

1541
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 5: he kind of start showing up here more in that

1542
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 5: late October timeframe? So that kind of keys me in

1543
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 5: on maybe when I'm going to target this dear, maybe

1544
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 5: look at some pictures that you have. If you have

1545
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 5: some trail cam pictures, but you're trying to piece together

1546
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 5: more of like a specific animal, I think that's a

1547
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 5: really key time to do that, especially if you could

1548
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 5: find like some of where you think he's actually betting,

1549
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 5: you know, maybe on some specific wind directions or whatever.

1550
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 5: So I think that could be I think that time

1551
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 5: frame can be really valuable for like specific deers, specific situations,

1552
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 5: but it all go also is great for just general knowledge,

1553
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 5: especially if you're going to like a new area, like

1554
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 5: when I draw, or like when I'm trying to prepare

1555
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 5: for like a hunt in Iowa or something. You know,

1556
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 5: I'm going out there in March before green up and

1557
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 5: I'm pounding lots of ground. I'm not really trying to

1558
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 5: target necessarily like a loan buckbed. You know, I'm trying

1559
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 5: to find good deer sign. I'm trying to find some

1560
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 5: good mature buck sign, maybe a higher deer density, or

1561
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 5: maybe a concentration of really big bucks, like in the

1562
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 5: back corner of this piece of public or something. And

1563
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 5: I'm starting to piece together really good areas and I

1564
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 5: know I'm going to come back at that timeframe that

1565
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 5: will be valuable, but that might be different somewhere back home,

1566
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 5: or I can maybe build history with a certain animal

1567
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 5: and I know he made it, and it's like, man,

1568
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 5: this is going to be a good deer next year.

1569
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 5: I want to devote some time to this. I want

1570
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 5: to learn as much as I can about this deer now,

1571
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 5: and that's a great time to do it with, you know,

1572
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 5: like with most places, like broken up, fragmented property, even

1573
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 5: pieces of public, A lot of times that deer isn't

1574
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 5: living his whole life, you know, on that piece. So

1575
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 5: you're trying to figure out is he you know, is

1576
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 5: this a deer I can hunt all year long and

1577
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 5: you're trying to figure out different strategies for different times

1578
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 5: of the year, or is it a case where man

1579
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 5: he's only here early season, and I got to try

1580
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 5: to get a crack at this deer. First thing, you know,

1581
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 5: where's he bedded, where's the food going to be? You know,

1582
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,640
Speaker 5: is this a nag type thing? Or are the are

1583
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 5: the crop field swapping, you know, changing crop rotation? You know,

1584
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 5: these are all things I'm trying to plan out for

1585
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 5: an early season kill. If that's when that deer is

1586
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,879
Speaker 5: using that area, or it might be like in most cases,

1587
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 5: where this deer is betting somewhere else and he kind

1588
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 5: of shows up in an area where I'd like to

1589
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 5: hunt or where I hunt where there's decent dome numbers,

1590
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 5: and it becomes more of like, ah, like a pre

1591
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:24,600
Speaker 5: rut type rut situation. So then I'm just trying to

1592
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 5: piece all that together and trying to find like where's that,

1593
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 5: where's that key ambush point where I can target this animal?

1594
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,560
Speaker 5: Or if it's not a specific animal, maybe it's a

1595
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 5: good area where there's a number of deer that you

1596
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 5: would shoot, you know, a handful of nice bucks in

1597
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 5: this in this large area. You know, where's that, where's

1598
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 5: that area? Where are those key funnels that at this

1599
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 5: time of year, it's likely for some of these to

1600
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 5: come through. So it really depends on the situation and

1601
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 5: the hunt and what I'm trying to do. But once

1602
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,799
Speaker 5: you start dialing in a piece of ground, it becomes

1603
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 5: more of like when is the timing right? Like when

1604
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 5: can I really dial in this timing so that I

1605
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 5: can hunt this piece of ground or this spot at

1606
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 5: the optimal time, or when is this animal most vulnerable?

1607
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 5: And I'm trying to learn, you know, if it's a

1608
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 5: specific deer, trying to learn as much as possible. And

1609
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 5: that's much different than if I'm going out of state

1610
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 5: and doing a quick spring scout and trying to find

1611
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 5: a general area where I think it's going to be

1612
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 5: good deer hunting into some ambush locations. So it really

1613
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 5: depends on the goal where you're hunting, the how familiar

1614
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 5: are with that area, and then if you're familiar with

1615
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 5: certain bucks or a certain certain caliber of buck in

1616
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 5: that area that you're trying to capitalize on.

1617
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, what you said there about the timing, like scouting

1618
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 2: for timing, this comes up a lot with people who

1619
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 2: really know what they're doing. We think scouting is just

1620
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 2: go find that spot that the big buck made a

1621
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 2: bunch of rubs and you're good, and it's like, well when,

1622
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 2: like when can you cross paths with him? And that's

1623
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 2: something you know when you mentioned you know, like I

1624
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 2: might have a forty acre chunk to hunt or something,

1625
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 2: or an eighty acre and that's one sixth or one

1626
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 2: eighth or one tenth of that bucks home range. It's like, Okay, well,

1627
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 2: when's he there or when are the bucks? Like I've

1628
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 2: got a little property in northern Wisconsin. I don't know why.

1629
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:16,679
Speaker 2: I don't know why this happens. Maybe it's a mass

1630
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 2: thing or something. But usually the end of September beginning

1631
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 2: of October, I'll have the biggest bucks of the season

1632
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:28,640
Speaker 2: show up on camera there, and not only them, but

1633
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 2: like more bucks than usually any other time. And there's

1634
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 2: like a one or two week window where they're there,

1635
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 2: and then it's back to their normal, like they might

1636
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 2: randomly pass to in the middle of the night. And

1637
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:41,679
Speaker 2: I don't know why it is, but that's the way

1638
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 2: it is, you know. And I do think over there,

1639
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 2: maybe it's tied to you know, because there's baiting's allowed there,

1640
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 2: So if you're not baiting and it's opener, all your

1641
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 2: dear are gone. And then people kind of get sick

1642
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 2: of it, and they don't run those bait sites as much.

1643
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 2: So I think those deer are like I got to

1644
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 2: go find some food. Think that might be the answer

1645
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 2: to it. I don't know, but what I do know

1646
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 2: is if I want to encounter one, that's when I go,

1647
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 2: you know. And so when you think about scouting, think

1648
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 2: about it at what you find, how does it relate

1649
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 2: to when you should hunt, not just rut Like is

1650
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 2: this more of like a Halloween staging area type thing,

1651
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 2: or is this like that bang in funnel?

1652
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 3: Or like what are you working with there? Because the

1653
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 3: more you find tune that through scouting, the more you

1654
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 3: just cross paths with them.

1655
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, and think about this.

1656
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 5: So, just like you said, I have a spot that

1657
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 5: I multiple spots, but one spot in particular that it's

1658
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 5: a for whatever reason, early season down in Ohio. I'm

1659
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:45,679
Speaker 5: talking like the first couple of days of the season,

1660
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 5: there's a bachelor group of bucks in there. And after

1661
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 5: it could be it could be the day after the

1662
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 5: season starts, or it could be a week after, but

1663
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 5: at some sometime in that timeframe, they're they're just gone

1664
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 5: and they don't come back. And I found that spot

1665
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 5: through glassing, and it's a spot where nobody looks, nobody hunts,

1666
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 5: and nobody expects dear to be there, but they're there.

1667
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 5: They're there every year, and it gives me a little

1668
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 5: window to target an opener Ohio book. Now there's not

1669
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 5: always a buck I want to shoot in there, but

1670
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 5: if there is, I got to play at them. And then,

1671
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 5: you know, because I've been focused on, you know, optimizing

1672
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 5: that timing and really analyzing that. When you're reading sign

1673
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 5: or observing or going through your trul Can pictures, picture

1674
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 5: a whole season of a library of spots that you've

1675
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 5: hunted for the last twenty twenty five years, where you

1676
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 5: know that these spots heat up during these timeframes. Like

1677
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 5: I can look back and go through an entire season

1678
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 5: of time frame where historically these small pieces if we're

1679
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 5: talking about kind of small corners of public land, because

1680
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 5: usually it's like you know, the back part of the

1681
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 5: public land or a little corner where it's the best

1682
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 5: or whatever, or these small permission spots or whatever, you

1683
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 5: can literally like tentatively plan out a whole season where

1684
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 5: things should be good.

1685
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 4: Now, masks can change things.

1686
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 5: If there's not an a corn drop and the does

1687
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 5: aren't in there, or crop rotation or hunting pressure, things

1688
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:26,600
Speaker 5: get thrown. Wrenches get thrown it all the time. That

1689
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 5: throw things off. But that's how a big reason why,

1690
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 5: at least on my home turf, you know, four counties

1691
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 5: in Michigan and three counties in Ohio where I can

1692
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 5: be pretty efficient because I'm I'm really thorough with my scouting,

1693
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 5: but I also have that knowledge of timing, like, Okay,

1694
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 5: I don't have anything going on, I'm gonna go look here,

1695
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 5: because usually some bucks start to show up here right

1696
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 5: around that mid October timeframe, and I start glassing out there,

1697
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 5: pop a few.

1698
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 4: Cameras and boom, mym on one.

1699
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 5: You know, And that's from history, and it's from it's

1700
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 5: from it's from building that over a lot of years.

1701
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 5: And I can go from one to the next, and it,

1702
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 5: like I said, I might fall flat on my face

1703
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 5: on one that should be hot, but it's not hot

1704
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,599
Speaker 5: now because there's a hunter set up there, a new guy.

1705
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 5: Then you go to the next one. It's it's finding

1706
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 5: that optimal timing. And then a lot of times you

1707
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 5: can have that library and that kind of that tentative plan.

1708
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 5: But while you're searching, and while you're scouting for all

1709
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 5: this other stuff, like a new pattern shows up, you

1710
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 5: run into this new buck and or you get a

1711
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 5: picture of them, or you get a glimpse of them.

1712
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 5: It's like boom, you got that little window. So what

1713
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 5: I found is like, yeah, those short little timing things

1714
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 5: can be extremely deady, deadly, especially when you dial them

1715
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 5: in and you're hunting them. You know, perfect conditions, perfect

1716
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 5: timeframe with the right wind, and you're slipping in there

1717
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:51,759
Speaker 5: and a lot of times you can get one killed.

1718
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 5: But then also throughout the season, just by being out

1719
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 5: there and scouting, like more than actually hunting, you come

1720
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 5: up ross these little these bucks and these opportunities that

1721
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 5: you didn't plan for, but there they are, and they're

1722
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 5: in there now for you know, two days, three days,

1723
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 5: five days, six days, and you got to kill and

1724
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 5: get him killed now or he's gone and maybe you

1725
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 5: take a stab at it and he's gone. Well like

1726
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 5: now you got another pattern. Now next year is like

1727
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 5: is he gonna be back at this time? And you're

1728
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 5: running a camera, you're glassing boonies back again, So now

1729
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 5: you have another pattern moving forward.

1730
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 2: You've scouted in a way to keep yourself hunting or

1731
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 2: in the game all season long season, and that's so

1732
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 2: important instead of just being like I gotta save this

1733
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 2: for the rut or I gotta save my time and

1734
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 2: not go do this. Instead, you just get yourself into

1735
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 2: a position where you're like, I believe every time I go,

1736
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 2: I can get on something, I can be into it

1737
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 2: in a way.

1738
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 4: Man.

1739
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 2: That's that's a Maybe the best way to end this

1740
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 2: is if you're out there and you're like, I want

1741
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 2: to scout more like Animey scout, so you feel confident

1742
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 2: every day this season that you have at least a

1743
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 2: plan to start with. And like you said, man, just

1744
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 2: even even if you're like, ah, this this area should

1745
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 2: be good now because it's October tenth, maybe they'll be

1746
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 2: on scrapes or whatever.

1747
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:13,759
Speaker 3: So much of it.

1748
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 2: Is just being out there because like mother nature is

1749
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:18,799
Speaker 2: gonna give you something. So even if your plan fails

1750
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 2: ninety percent of the time, which it probably does, something

1751
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 2: else shows itself. Some other thing comes in and you go.

1752
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 2: It's like East scouting. You go, I'm gonna set there.

1753
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna set there. I'm gonna set there, and you know,

1754
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 2: or scout and you like, I'm gonna walk into this marsh,

1755
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna look at it, and I'm gonna go up

1756
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 2: on this ridge and you have this whole plan laid out.

1757
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 2: You pull out your on X and you're like, I

1758
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 2: got it dialed. And then you get out there and

1759
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 2: you're like, whoh, look at the little island in the swamp,

1760
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:46,640
Speaker 2: or look at that bench up there, or why are

1761
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 2: these rubs facing this way? And it's like half of

1762
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 2: it is just getting your ass out there to like

1763
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 2: figure that stuff out. And it's not necessarily such a terminator,

1764
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 2: like I know exactly how to do this and this

1765
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 2: is the plan and this always works. It's like, no, well,

1766
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 2: it's just enough to get you there and you're in

1767
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,600
Speaker 2: the game when you're there, and that that's so important.

1768
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 4: I think.

1769
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 5: I think a lot of uh, you know, a lot

1770
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 5: of my and I'm not always efficient, but a lot

1771
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 5: of my efficiency, because I sometimes I am quite efficient,

1772
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 5: is the fact that I'm I'm not going out there

1773
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 5: and just sitting every hunt. Every time I have a

1774
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 5: chance to hunt, a lot of the time I am

1775
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 5: scouting or searching or checking to see if it's worth

1776
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 5: a hunt. And that's kind of my process. And like

1777
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 5: like as far as like an opening day hunt, like

1778
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 5: I'm putting the work in prior to the opening day,

1779
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 5: searching and glassing and checking cameras and stuff to find

1780
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 5: that target buck so I can go in and kill

1781
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 5: them that day or that first two or three days

1782
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 5: or whatever. But then once that season starts going, it's

1783
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 5: more of a scout scout scout find something that deserves

1784
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 5: a sit and deserves to dive in, and then you

1785
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 5: go try to make it happen. The only other thing

1786
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 5: that I will do where I will get up in

1787
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 5: a tree sometimes is I will get up where I

1788
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 5: can see a long ways and I can observe like

1789
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 5: overlooking a marsh or maybe an egg ground. You can

1790
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,720
Speaker 5: overlook some like crp that's hidden from the road that

1791
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 5: dips down or whatever something like that. Like I've I've

1792
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,759
Speaker 5: capitalized on that. But again you're trying to gather information

1793
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 5: so that you could dive in and make a quick hunt.

1794
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 5: I don't hunt like I used to, where I used

1795
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,639
Speaker 5: to just be up in a tree and just pound

1796
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 5: the hours and eventually you get a crack. But that's

1797
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 5: that's the key to the efficiency. It's it's mastering that

1798
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:35,480
Speaker 5: timing mastering the conference and confidence in all the different tactics.

1799
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 5: But but waiting until you get that information or that

1800
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,640
Speaker 5: confidence that that you feel it's worth a sit, you know,

1801
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 5: and it's I won't just go sit without something.

1802
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 4: And it might be it might.

1803
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,600
Speaker 5: Be your going in in season and you got a

1804
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 5: stay under a saddle on and you're just scouting for

1805
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 5: hot sign. It's like boom, you find that sign and

1806
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 5: it feels like it's red hot. It should be red hot,

1807
01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 5: and you kind of the hole the way the land

1808
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 5: Escape lays out. You paint this picture of like, this

1809
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:04,640
Speaker 5: is what's happening to me. That's worth the sit, you know,

1810
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,640
Speaker 5: if you like the signs big buck, mature sign. It

1811
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 5: might be I go in that same scenario and I

1812
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 5: find old sign and it looks like it's cold and

1813
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 5: it's just not I don't get that feeling that it's

1814
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 5: worth the sit.

1815
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 4: I just keep going.

1816
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 5: I keep going until I find that and if it

1817
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 5: gets dark or whatever, I'm onto the next day and

1818
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 5: then maybe I'm glassing or I'm checking camera. I'm doing

1819
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 5: that same thing. But eventually I come across something that's

1820
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 5: like Okay, now now's the time I got to get

1821
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 5: in here and maybe I get something killed on the

1822
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 5: first day, or maybe it's the fifth day because I

1823
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 5: start playing a cat and mouse game with him and

1824
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 5: maybe I burn it out and it doesn't happen. But

1825
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 5: now I got that knowledge, like dude, he was in

1826
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 5: here at this time, and it just goes into the bank.

1827
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 5: You know, something to check on next year, because it

1828
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 5: might be that same buck, or it might be one

1829
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,679
Speaker 5: of those spots where mature bucks just show up here

1830
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 5: at this time of year. So it's like accumulating that

1831
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 5: and it really pays off if you could really pay

1832
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 5: attention somehow document that or whatever, keep track of it.

1833
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 5: It can really save you when you get into a

1834
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 5: tough spot the season. You start falling back on these

1835
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 5: things that you've that you've that you've learned and experienced.

1836
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, keeps you from settling. Man.

1837
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 2: I said it a half hour ago and I'm saying

1838
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 2: it now. We're gonna go do it. We got to

1839
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 2: go catch some small mouth Andy. Thanks for coming on, man,

1840
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 2: it's always it's always so fun to chat with you,

1841
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 2: and it's been a lot of fun to fish with you.

1842
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 2: And these people who are listening to this are gonna

1843
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 2: get to see this next year. It's gonna be a while,

1844
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,720
Speaker 2: but they'll get to see probably who I would say

1845
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 2: is their favorite white tail hunter. I'm just guessing, Uh,

1846
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:35,719
Speaker 2: go out catch some bass. So let's go do that, buddy.

1847
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 4: All right? Sounds good? Thanks Tony.

1848
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 2: That's it for this week, folks, be sure to tune

1849
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 2: in next week for some more white tail scouting goodness.

1850
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 2: This has been the Wire to Hunt podcast and I'm

1851
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,560
Speaker 2: your guest host, Tony Peterson. As always, I want to

1852
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 2: thank you so much for listening for your support. I

1853
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 2: really appreciate everyone here at media really appreciates that you

1854
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 2: guys are part of the audience and you support us,

1855
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,800
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1857
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1859
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1860
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1861
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1862
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