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Speaker 2: Let's live on a Tuesday edition of Cleveland Bron's Daily.

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Speaker 2: I am merely bo. He is the great z.

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Speaker 3: I like how that red pops on those strings, Buddy,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, baby hello, all red, white, poo, baby blue.

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Speaker 3: Look at us for Veterans Day. There you go, there

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Speaker 3: you go for the people. Yeah, very very cool. Still limber,

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Speaker 3: still got it, got it. The NFL and the USAA

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Speaker 3: official NFL Salute to Service Partner announced this year's nominees

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Speaker 3: for the Salute to Service Award, presented by USAA. Each year,

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Speaker 3: the Salute to Service Award recognizes NFL players, coaches, staff

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Speaker 3: alumni who make exceptional efforts honor and support military and

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Speaker 3: veteran communities. Cleveland Browns are Prows renounced Guard Wyatt Teller

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Speaker 3: as their twenty twenty five Salute to Service Award nominee.

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Speaker 3: He saw the video Krly and the kids down there

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Speaker 3: in the facility with him.

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Speaker 2: Very cool, very very cool.

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Speaker 3: A lot of my family served Navy and Army and

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Speaker 3: all sorts of it, and obviously we've have connection with

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Speaker 3: the Navy through the show.

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Speaker 2: Some great modes, the great modebits.

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Speaker 3: The great prevs, and just incredibly humbled by those who

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Speaker 3: have served, who have sacrificed it.

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Speaker 2: All for all of us. So thank you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely great honor for ye teller. I know he's

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Speaker 4: very excited about that. I got military in my family

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Speaker 4: as well. Yeah, very special's extend. This is our Salute

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Speaker 4: to Service game coming up this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good one.

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Speaker 4: This is when you know the kind of the two

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Speaker 4: big awards that you can get from your team. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: the Walter Payton Man of the Year would be kind

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Speaker 4: of the most presigious, and then this, I think is

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Speaker 4: right there.

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Speaker 2: As well, the Salute to Service Award. Yeah, very very

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Speaker 2: cool and very deserving on that front.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So there will be three finalists and then obviously

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Speaker 4: somebody will be announced as the Salute to Service Award

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Speaker 4: winner for the National Football League. So fans, you all

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Speaker 4: will have an opportunity to determine the awards three finalists

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Speaker 4: by voting for their favorite nominee. One vote per day

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Speaker 4: for each nominee is permitted per person. The three finalists

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Speaker 4: will be announced in January, and the recipient will be

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Speaker 4: recognized at NFL Honors, a primetime award special. To learn

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Speaker 4: more about each nominee and cast your vote for Wyatt,

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Speaker 4: visit NFL dot com slash Salute Fan Vote. Voting is

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Speaker 4: open now until November thirtieth. Listen, if we could get

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Speaker 4: as rounds fans, if we could get Peyton hillis on

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Speaker 4: can't get white through one of the three finalists.

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Speaker 2: I feel like we can.

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Speaker 3: I think that is a task worth taking up, for sure.

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Speaker 3: I have to tell you I have We are a

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Speaker 3: little more than a week into the return to standard time.

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Speaker 3: I can't get right to me. It feels like everything

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Speaker 3: after five point thirty is nine o'clock at night. I

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Speaker 3: like I'm just wide awake at five AM. My old

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Speaker 3: It's crazy that they do that, that we do this.

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Speaker 4: It's because of the darkness at night by the pie

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Speaker 4: and it's ten. You're like, it's been pitch black for

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Speaker 2: What do we do it? It's just I've never had

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Speaker 3: So I had basketball practice till nine. I got home

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Speaker 4: God Bless Joe buck but he at one point is like,

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Speaker 4: It's not the fact it was not compelling. It was

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Speaker 2: So bad that I was out. Now.

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Speaker 4: I didn't even stick around for Shane Gillis, which I

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing probably they probably put him at the end

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Speaker 4: So they opened with Bob Iger Disney, that's right. Why

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Speaker 4: probably because of the Disney carriage dispute going on right now.

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Speaker 2: Well that's a choice.

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Speaker 4: It was a choice, and I thought it. It was horrific,

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Speaker 2: Just it was dreadful.

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Speaker 4: And then they brought on an actress from Abbott Elementary,

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, so they're doing like pr for

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Speaker 2: Disney is what they did?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they did. They brought an Eiger and

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Speaker 2: Oh baby, And I'm just like, this is way. Those

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Speaker 4: And you you could tell Peyton wasn't thrilled with it.

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Speaker 4: It was Eli was trying. It was dreadful and I

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Speaker 4: know you put on here Manning cast. Is that what

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Speaker 4: why you said that?

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Speaker 2: Tuned in here Here's the game was so bad? I

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I love a comic as much as anybody, but

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Speaker 6: You're just it was a perfectly good thought and an

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Speaker 3: I think the problem with I mean there's a billion,

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Speaker 3: And I think that one thing about the guests. It

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Speaker 3: trying to also monitor a football game. It's too much

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Speaker 3: And I think they're all awesome, Like I think Gillis is.

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Speaker 3: If Gills is on last night, he's great. And I

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Speaker 3: think Eli and Peyton are great. But like that combination

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Speaker 2: The first staff was dreadful.

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Speaker 3: If you're gonna you only do it like ten weeks

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Speaker 2: Say, like do one week at Peyton's week different places there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, some breaking news by the way, Okay, Travis Hunter

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Speaker 2: That's brutal.

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Speaker 2: I feel for that kid. Yeah, yeah, I think.

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Speaker 3: I think I could be wrong in this, but I'm

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Speaker 3: pretty sure he got through college without anything significant from

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Speaker 2: It's just so much. There's only so much the human

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Speaker 3: Yeah, practice, it's a lot of wear and tear. It is,

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Speaker 3: I didn't. There wasn't any reason that compelled me to

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Speaker 2: But I was thinking big picture.

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Speaker 3: We have what seven weeks left, seven games left, eight

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Speaker 3: either played nine or ten. Most teams have played nine

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Speaker 3: about half the league. I think there's like fourteen teams

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Speaker 3: sorry right now, Okay, who do you think really can

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's about six or seven. I don't

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Speaker 3: I think it's about six or seven, but I think

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Speaker 3: that there's probably thirteen or fourteen who believe they can.

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Speaker 3: I think all eight in the AFC probably believe that

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Speaker 3: bit less. But just to the if they think they can,

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Speaker 3: I'll give you a team and you tell me if

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Speaker 3: think they can win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: New England. New England's won seven in a row the

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Speaker 3: The Steelers do not think they can win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: I bet if you're in their facility they think they can, well,

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Speaker 3: then they should be there. They are not good, but

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Speaker 3: they can't win the Super And I know there's a difference,

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Speaker 3: though we'll get to that we have to.

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Speaker 3: You can't you tell me they can't beat Buffalo. Buffalo

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Speaker 2: Who do you think can win it? Right now? Rams yep,

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Speaker 3: I don't but they do not. Look who's great? Okay,

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Speaker 3: You would put the vast Zagura estate on Seattle winning

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Speaker 2: That's four though in the NFC. Yeah, Philly makes me

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying they will be you're going to say

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Speaker 2: That's nine that you think I wrote down? Yeah, I have.

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Speaker 4: Kansas City at Kansas City Chargers, but I don't really

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Speaker 2: I like Indy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but also no Buffalo, Baltimore, Yeah, buff in the city.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that you think that, I think, Let alone what

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Speaker 3: AFC teams that you just said could win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: No, it's AFC. That's seven total. I just have Kansas

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Speaker 3: It's Raven Colts, Chargers, Chiefs six six.

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Speaker 2: And you just said four in the NFC, I really totally.

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Speaker 4: I have Philly on another and they won it, So

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Speaker 6: That goes back right now in their building. Denver thinks

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Speaker 2: They do.

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Speaker 6: I don't think there's a I think division in football.

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Speaker 3: can win it. The point is, there isn't There isn't

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Speaker 3: Buffalo is a team that most people would say can

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Speaker 3: They were not competitive.

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Speaker 4: Do you think the Rams have a flaw like I

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Speaker 4: think they It's possible that they're the best team in

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I've been on them for a long

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Speaker 3: an incredible state right right, They're an incredible stretch of

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Speaker 2: That's it. That's it.

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Speaker 3: So I like them a lot. Seahawks look greats. I

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Speaker 4: They lost Week one of the Niners and they lost

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Speaker 2: I stand by. I think there's fourteen teams in this league.

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Speaker 2: I think they can win it in their building. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think it's ten.

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Speaker 4: The AFC is so wide open, Like if the Chiefs

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Speaker 2: On the AFC to maybe just the Chiefs. Again, I

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Speaker 2: The Rams have been really good, the Seahawks have been

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Speaker 3: I don't see a scenario because I think they're going

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Speaker 2: Whoever, the five, whoever.

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Speaker 6: See I look, I look at the Seahawks.

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Speaker 5: I love this.

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Speaker 6: I like what they've done and it's been fun watching

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why justin Herbert Stever won a playoff game.

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Speaker 4: That's why it's Stafford. I mean, it's ironic that Stafford

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Speaker 4: and Golfer, they're in very good positions. And then Philly, Yes,

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Speaker 6: This year reminds me of Kansas City last year. Remember

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Speaker 2: And you woke up and they were fourteen and three

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know what, you know what, This Sunday

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Speaker 4: In the Broncos game they had, Yeah, the g Man

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Speaker 2: Are they the only team that doesn't have a stupid loss? Yes,

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Speaker 3: nothing really there to be too concerned about. No, Detroit's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm watching that and I think both of certainly both

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Speaker 6: Well, Floor is explaining his job today.

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Speaker 2: I know what.

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Speaker 6: Well, come on now.

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Speaker 4: So here's the thing with the Bucks, and and I'm

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Speaker 4: They lost to the Lions twenty four to nine, big Ley.

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Speaker 4: we're going.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they could end up being they if they

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Speaker 4: it looked, and then they beat the Saints twenty three

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Speaker 4: to three.

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Speaker 2: Now they get Bucky Irving back. Do they start to get.

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Speaker 4: Healthy after the Bills and the Rams? Though, Even if

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Speaker 4: they're six and five at that point, they have a

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Speaker 4: pretty good chance to finish twelve and five. Yeah, home Cardinals,

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Speaker 4: home Saints, home Falcons at Panthers at Dolphins home Panthers. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but again they could be that's just because of the

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Speaker 4: by virtue of the schedule played.

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Speaker 2: It's a pretty.

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Speaker 4: They might be twelve and five and be like two

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Speaker 4: wins five against teams with winning red teams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's crazy two months to go and

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Speaker 3: there's it's it's pretty wide open.

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Speaker 2: Lots of teams in the mix.

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Speaker 4: Those are Howey you said that, I was like literally

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Speaker 4: going to ask you, why don't we just rank who

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Speaker 4: we thought could maybe win the Super Bowl right now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my list would be like I would have you

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Speaker 3: had nine Usually in these things, I'm less than you.

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Speaker 3: I would go Baltimore, Kansas City, h Philly, Detroit, Rams.

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Speaker 2: Niners, nine ers. If they got healthy, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if they can. They can't.

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Speaker 4: They're just their defense. Their defense is not they're without

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Speaker 4: just do it.

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Speaker 3: And so it's in my head that if they can

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Speaker 3: get somewhat healthy offensively, they can, But really Mac Jones's

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Speaker 3: played great, but it's still that's a lot. There's a

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Speaker 3: lot of teams that got a shanka this thing.

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Speaker 4: So it speaks to as you said that there isn't

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Speaker 4: a no dominant power.

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Speaker 3: Most of our life, there has been the death star

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Speaker 3: that is the New England Patriots, or the death star

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Speaker 3: that has become the Kansas City Chiefs that is looming

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Speaker 3: over everything. We don't have that that's not here this

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Speaker 3: year Yeah, it just isn't. It's wild and last night

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Speaker 3: had a punt and a kick return touchdown go against

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Speaker 3: us in this one. As someone who made a living

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Speaker 3: in the special teams world for a great many years,

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Speaker 3: how does something like that happened on back to back plays.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a tough.

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Speaker 2: Easy one, easy one out of the gate day.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, you're welcome. The thing, yeah, the thing

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Speaker 7: about a punt return and a kickoff return is there's

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Speaker 7: always a lot that goes into that.

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Speaker 5: When you watch the film.

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Speaker 7: I can tell you I've been many, many years in

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Speaker 7: special teams meetings obviously, and you know it's not for

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Speaker 7: a lack of you know, seeing the film, understand your

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Speaker 7: lane assignments, understand what you have to do, but there's

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Speaker 7: a lot of things that go into it, everything from

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Speaker 7: you know, directional hash punting to getting good hangtime, to

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Speaker 7: making sure you have your lane assignments, making sure you

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Speaker 7: know you're not getting a blocked and kind of stacking

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Speaker 7: a guy in front of you to open up that lane,

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Speaker 7: and those are all things that I'm sure in the

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Speaker 7: film room they were going over and trying to correct.

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Speaker 7: But the problem with special teams, especially when you're having

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Speaker 7: a down year, is special teams or you look to

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Speaker 7: that for a spark. You look to gain an advantage

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Speaker 7: of special teams when you're not having near you had,

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Speaker 7: And unfortunately the New York Jets found that spark, and

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Speaker 7: unfortunate we didn't Dave.

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Speaker 4: When you look at it, you know, Corey hadn't had

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Speaker 4: a punt block since twenty nineteen. Obviously, we've given a

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Speaker 4: punt return a week one against Dallas last year we

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Speaker 4: had one here. His yards per punt this year is

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Speaker 4: down from basically over forty nine to forty six. His

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Speaker 4: net yards is down from forty two to thirty five

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Speaker 4: point nine. Is there anything that you're seeing just kind

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Speaker 4: of in the punting game, regardless of like an individual play,

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Speaker 4: but just in general, why it feels like our efficiency

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Speaker 4: is down a little bit.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's hard to tell, Nathan when you're watching it

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Speaker 7: from the TV. But when I was watching my own

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Speaker 7: punts in film room, and I you know, you have

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Speaker 7: good days, you have bad days, right, you always looked

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Speaker 7: at the first thing is you want to make sure

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Speaker 7: you always had at least a four point five second hangtime,

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Speaker 7: and that's back in the day with the guy's legs.

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Speaker 7: Today it's probably even four point six four point seven.

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Speaker 5: So you always want to make.

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Speaker 7: Sure you gave your your coverage team's time to get

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Speaker 7: down on the field so you weren't quote unquote out

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Speaker 7: kicking your coverage. I'm sure Corey is looking at all

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Speaker 7: those things, you know. I believe Corey is a directional punter.

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Speaker 7: He's been doing it for a long time, has always

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Speaker 7: been in the top you know, ten twelve of punters

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Speaker 7: in the league. But it's just like anything. You go

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Speaker 7: back and there's a lot of situations. Sometimes net punting,

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Speaker 7: you could have a thirty five thirty seven yard net punting,

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Speaker 7: but you also could be in short yardage field situations

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Speaker 7: you could be at the fifty minus forty five plus

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Speaker 7: forty five that you know, number zon't always tell the

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Speaker 7: true story, but you know, really it's hard to tell

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Speaker 7: hangtimes on TV, but I could. It just didn't seem

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Speaker 7: like maybe that punt he got all of it and

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Speaker 7: got underneath it as he probably would have.

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Speaker 5: I'd have to go back and watch it again.

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Speaker 7: But at the same time, I mean, it looked like

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Speaker 7: we had some open lanes, and obviously those are things

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Speaker 7: the National Football League you just can't do.

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Speaker 2: Dave.

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Speaker 3: This was one where I mean, look, you gave up

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Speaker 3: fourteen points on special teams. It's hard for hard to

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Speaker 3: win in any league, any level when you give up

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Speaker 3: fourteen points on special teams.

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Speaker 2: But you looked at what the Jets had.

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Speaker 3: Done the previous week with the trades at the deadline

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Speaker 3: and kind of the team that they brought out there

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Speaker 3: on Sunday. It was one where we looked at it

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Speaker 3: and said, Okay, that should be a win. You should

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Speaker 3: go to New York and handle your business. And it

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Speaker 3: didn't happen for myriad reasons. And so now you come

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Speaker 3: back home and you've got Baltimore. As a guy who's

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Speaker 3: been in those rooms, how do you stop a kind

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Speaker 3: of a slide that we're kind of in the middle

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Speaker 3: of right now. How do you get that fixed in midstream?

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Speaker 7: Well, when I kind of took a look at the stats,

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Speaker 7: I'll answer that. In two parts. We talk about a

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Speaker 7: lot on risk versus reward, not not beating yourselves right,

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Speaker 7: and you know we had ten penalties for seventy eight yards.

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Speaker 7: We had a key penalty and an opportunity of the

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Speaker 7: game where you technically could get the ball back and

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Speaker 7: have a chance to win. So, first of all, we

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Speaker 7: have to clean up these mistakes.

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Speaker 5: We have to get.

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Speaker 7: Better in that area, especially on the road allowed hostile

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Speaker 7: environment typically in New York.

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Speaker 5: You just got to you gotta be.

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Speaker 7: Disciplined, especially when you look at the penalties. Also, you

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Speaker 7: know we were, yeah, we were favored to win that game.

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Speaker 7: You look at the stats, you take the two special

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Speaker 7: teams special teams returns out of that. You know, offensively,

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Speaker 7: I think New York Jets at fifty four yards passing right,

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Speaker 7: they we had an interception, We won the turnover battle.

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Speaker 7: But when you put yourselves in a hole with two

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Speaker 7: touchdowns and special teams went on average or your average

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Speaker 7: what seventeen eighteen points, that that puts you That puts

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Speaker 7: you in a very very tough.

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Speaker 5: Position to win the football game.

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Speaker 7: But I do think it all comes back to you know,

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Speaker 7: you know, we got to.

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Speaker 5: Be disciplined on penalties.

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Speaker 7: You got to make sure that we're not putting ourselves

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Speaker 7: behind the eight ball and killing yourselves really with penalties.

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Speaker 7: I do think offensively, there was some good things. I mean,

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Speaker 7: you know, we talked about risk versus a reward, right,

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Speaker 7: it was a risk to give up plays and hand

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Speaker 7: it to Tommy Reeves, and he came out and I

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Speaker 7: thought he focused on the running.

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Speaker 5: Game, and we had a very balanced attack.

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Speaker 7: I think we had what thirty two passes thirty two runs.

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Speaker 7: We really showed that we wanted to be dedicated to

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Speaker 7: the run, which I believe is a very good thing

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Speaker 7: for this team.

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Speaker 5: But you know, it all.

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Speaker 7: Comes down to special teams, and like I said earlier,

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Speaker 7: that is the spark. Special teams is a spark. You know,

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Speaker 7: we don't want special teams to lose the game. Specially

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Speaker 7: teams are supposed to pin people deep. You're supposed to

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Speaker 7: get a spark by a big return. That's how you

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Speaker 7: influence the game. And when you don't win that battle

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Speaker 7: by any means it especially fourteen points, it makes it

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Speaker 7: very very difficult to win.

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Speaker 5: In the National Football I mean, the Miami Dolphins beat

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Speaker 5: the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 7: Anyone can win and any given Sunday, and you can't

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Speaker 7: take your opponent lightly.

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Speaker 4: So you mentioned you saw the commitment to run game,

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Speaker 4: Did you see anything different in the pass game or

635
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Speaker 4: just anything you said, Oh this this from a scheme

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Speaker 4: standpoint or a sequencing standpoint, anything said oh this this

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Speaker 4: does look different to me than what we had seen previously.

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Speaker 7: Uh yeah, maybe maybe maybe it's you know a little

639
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Speaker 7: bit on some shots down the field. There was still

640
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 7: a lot of you know, checkdown passes. But sometimes that's

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Speaker 7: what the defense gives you if they you know, those

642
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 7: guys study film too. Special teams. Coach has always told

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Speaker 7: us in the meeting room, Hey, you got to give credit.

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Speaker 7: Those guys get paid to so you know, they may

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Speaker 7: have had a really good game plan understanding what we're

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Speaker 7: trying to do offensively. But you know, I still think overall,

647
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Speaker 7: you know, we offensive line said it all year, right,

648
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Speaker 7: we were running. We like to run the ball, and

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Speaker 7: I saw Tommy Reeves really try to give Johnkins an

650
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Speaker 7: opportunity to do that. Could we have been more successful? Always,

651
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Speaker 7: you always are going to try to go in the

652
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Speaker 7: film room and see what you can do better. But

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Speaker 7: the passing game, you know, it's still I think it's

654
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Speaker 7: still a work in progress. Dylan Gabriel is still a rookie.

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Speaker 7: I know he gets you know, he gets a lot

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Speaker 7: of critique out there, but he's a third round draft

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Speaker 7: pick that got thrown in there early. You know there's

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Speaker 7: going to be times and in games that it's gonna

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Speaker 7: it's gonna take a learning curve as a rookie. It's

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Speaker 7: not easy to go in the National Football League, especially

661
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Speaker 7: in the AFC North and in the cold weather games

662
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 7: and the wind to do that. So I part of

663
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 7: me thinks it's part of the learning process of a rookie.

664
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that. That's something we talked about a couple

665
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: of weeks ago. And I'm glad to hear you say

666
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 3: it as well too, because he has taken a ton

667
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: of slings and arrows that are I think unjust. I mean,

668
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 3: he's not this isn't Baker Mayfield draft at number one overall, Like,

669
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 3: it's not that at all.

670
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: It's a third round pick. And he's had some moments.

671
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 3: He's up a Rookie of the Week this week, and

672
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 3: so he's had a few moments and and we've got

673
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: a lot of problems offensively, and it it speaks to

674
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Speaker 3: you and I think this and you look, Bubble was

675
00:30:59,040 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 3: your gunn or was he not.

676
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: I thought you've mentioned that a couple of years.

677
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh yeah, I played with bubbaunce the special teams

678
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 7: players I'm played with.

679
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: Yet, and you know this is killing him, like he's

680
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: not teaching this what what happened on Sunday?

681
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 2: He's not out of here teaching this like this is

682
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: not it. So this is we had a.

683
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: Very narrow margin for air the way this season was

684
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: set up. And so when you have and you mentioned

685
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: the penalties and now we're talking special teams, when you

686
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: have those things that we just don't have the margin

687
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Speaker 3: for mistakes like that. And to your point earlier on

688
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: the Bills and the Dolphins in this league, nobody really does,

689
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 3: but we absolutely don't.

690
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a it's a good point, you know. And

691
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,719
Speaker 7: the thing about special teams which cracks me up all

692
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 7: the time is, you know, I heard somebody on the

693
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Speaker 7: radio and I won't mention names, you know, talk about

694
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 7: bubbavn Tron And yes, listen, if there's two kicks, a

695
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 7: punt return to kickoff for turning a touchdown, the buck

696
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 7: always stops with the coach. That's never going to change,

697
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 7: that's always going to happen. But to hear the comment

698
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Speaker 7: that in the Cincinnati game, a rookie kicker missed a

699
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 7: field goal and an extra point to win the game,

700
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 7: and that's on Bubba Vantrone. Bubba vent Tron's not out

701
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 7: there kicking field goals. And so I never understood why

702
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 7: if a field goal kicker missed a field goal, really,

703
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 7: how that.

704
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 5: Is the special teams guys a coach's fault. But Bubba,

705
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 5: you know.

706
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 7: Bubba knows the game. He was an excellent player, he

707
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 7: was a leader on the field. He knows special teams.

708
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 7: So listen, Bubba will always be a type of guy,

709
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Speaker 7: just knowing his character that he'll say, Hey, I'm the

710
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 7: special teams coach.

711
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 5: I got to get it fixed. I'll own it.

712
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 7: However, there's a lot of things that you have to

713
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 7: look at in the film room. It might just be

714
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 7: guys that aren't doing their right assignments. And then you

715
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 7: got to get a different.

716
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 5: Guy in there.

717
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 7: You know, do we have the special team's talent? Do

718
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 7: guys take ownership and take pride in special teams?

719
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Speaker 5: All the best.

720
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 7: Special teams units I've ever played for took pride in it.

721
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 7: We had leadership on there because we understood how important

722
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 7: that was to the game. I'm not saying we don't

723
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 7: have that. I just don't know. I'm not on the team,

724
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 7: I'm not in those meetings, But those are all things

725
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 7: that I guarantee Bubba's looking at is, Hey, do I

726
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 7: have the right guys in the right positions. That's something

727
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 7: that those I guarantee, like coach Tafanski said, they're going

728
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 7: to go back and try to get it fixed. But Bubba,

729
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 7: you know, he's a high character guy. He will own

730
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 7: this and he will do nothing but try to get

731
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Speaker 7: better and work to make sure this never happens again.

732
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because unfortunately it's you can't let that happen again

733
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 4: if this team wants to be who they want to be.

734
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: When we talked a little bit about the offense, and

735
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: yes there were things that were better, but it's still ultimately,

736
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, he gets seven points

737
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 4: off of a short field, from off of a turnover,

738
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 4: and other than that, in a game in which you know,

739
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 4: the Jets only had a first down on one possession

740
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,239
Speaker 4: in the entirety of the first three quarters and then

741
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 4: the Browns basically possessed the ball for three quarters of

742
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 4: the first three quarters, you didn't do enough offensively. That

743
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 4: game should have been over before it went to the

744
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 4: fourth quarter. How can this offense break through? I thought

745
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 4: it was good, we saw we got Jerry Judy involved,

746
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 4: But how can this offense break through, Dave, because I

747
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 4: think that is the one thing that is clearly, more

748
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 4: than anything else, holding this team back week after week.

749
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he made a great point.

750
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 7: It was great to see Jerry jud To get involved.

751
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 7: I mean six receptions, seventy eight yards in a touchdown.

752
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 7: I mean that he's your best receiver and you have

753
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 7: to get him involved. So that was that was obviously

754
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 7: a bright spot. But if you guys, I mean we

755
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 7: talk about this all the time, and you know, stats

756
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 7: are stats.

757
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 5: The offense is what it is. But you know, people always,

758
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 5: you know.

759
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 7: Look back and talk about Joe Flacco and say, look,

760
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 7: he's thrown for five hundred yards and he's you know,

761
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 7: four hundred yards or three hundred whatever he's throwing for.

762
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 7: He wasn't doing that here. So then we put in

763
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 7: a third round draft pick, probably maybe at least a

764
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 7: year in probably on what the plan was for developmental

765
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 7: process of a rookie quarterback, especially a third rounder into

766
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 7: the mix really early, right. I mean, there's going to

767
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 7: be growing pains with that, But Joe Flacco wasn't necessarily

768
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 7: lighting up the field when he was here. So how

769
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 7: I look at that is there's something within this offense

770
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 7: that they're probably trying to constantly look to find ways

771
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 7: to get big plays chunk plays, and it seems up

772
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 7: to this point there's some flashes here and there. But

773
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 7: I think the offense in general, I don't think like

774
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 7: and I hate to just repeat what coach keeps saying,

775
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 7: but I don't think it's one player. I think it's

776
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 7: accumulation of you know, you gave up six sacks in

777
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 7: this game for forty seven yards. Six sacks in a game,

778
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 7: So when you look at that, you could have.

779
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 5: A first rounder in there.

780
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 7: If you're giving up six sacks and your offensive line has,

781
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 7: you know, injuries on the offensive line you're bringing, you're

782
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 7: trading for a left tack who's only been there for

783
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 7: a couple of weeks. There's not a lot of chemistry

784
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 7: and consistency in that offense right now. So I think

785
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 7: it's just accumulation of things that they just have to

786
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 7: continue from.

787
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 5: Literally this game going forward is.

788
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 7: Just finding some kind of consistency in some chemistry in

789
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 7: that offense and hopefully things will start turning around.

790
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 3: Dave, I'll get you out of here on this one

791
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: big picture NFL. Ze and I were just having a

792
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: conversation round about how many teams believe they are Super

793
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: Bowl contenders with seven or eight games left, and it

794
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: could be upwards of nine, ten teams might even be

795
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 3: upwards of a dozen. Do you recall we've had so

796
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 3: many It feels like we've been in a two decade

797
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: kind of set here where we've always had Brady and

798
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 3: the Patriots looming over, We've had Mahomes and the Chiefs

799
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 3: looming over. It feels like this is as wide open

800
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: as the NFL has been with two months to go.

801
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 3: What is kind of your view of what appears to

802
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 3: be a wide open kind of sprint to the stretch

803
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: here in the league.

804
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a good point.

805
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 7: I do really like what Drake May and the New

806
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 7: England Patriots are doing. You know, we talked about this,

807
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 7: I think on a previous show. Here you have a

808
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 7: first round quarterback that went through bumps and bruiseses first year,

809
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 7: no doubt got comfortable understood the league, the league slowed

810
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 7: down for him, and now you see what that guy's

811
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 7: doing in year two. And what I love about that,

812
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 7: he's on a rookie contract, so you have payroll, You're

813
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 7: going to have time to build up around him. You

814
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 7: can start building consistency over the next few years with

815
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 7: a team like that, I always you know, I think

816
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 7: Detroit Lions, if they keep doing what they're doing, they're

817
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 7: going to be a very tough, tough team to beat.

818
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 7: Jamior Gibbs is as good as they're running back in

819
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 7: the league. And then a team that I think overall

820
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 7: is really surprising the league is Indianapolis Colts. No one

821
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 7: thought Daniel Jones would go to Indianapolis and do this,

822
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 7: and it just sometimes show you. It shows you with

823
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 7: kind of a new team, a new offensive quarter, you

824
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 7: thought process.

825
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 5: If you have a guy that has.

826
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 7: Ability and you play to his strengths, and you have

827
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 7: a guy like Jonathan Taylor, you've got a strong defense.

828
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 7: It is a wide open league. And the team that

829
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 7: I'm a little nervous about as a Baltimore Ravens. You know,

830
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 7: they're starting to play good football and they're coming into

831
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 7: town next week. That's a team that's starting to get momentum.

832
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 7: But to answer your question, I think in the end,

833
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 7: what I always thought was the most important part about

834
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 7: the NFL is in December, which teams are rolling, Which

835
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 7: teams are.

836
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 5: Starting to gain momentum, getting that confidence playing.

837
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 7: Their best football in December that put themselves in a

838
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 7: position to have a shot at the playoff. Those those

839
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 7: are the teams that that you really have to worry about.

840
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 5: But I know, I know we're we got to.

841
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 7: Get going, guys, But I want to make one comment.

842
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 5: I think it's important. I thought the New York Jets did.

843
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 7: An amazing job and their tribute to Nick Mangold, wearing

844
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 7: the T shirts out of the field doing the tribute.

845
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 5: We you know, we talked football.

846
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 7: It's in our blood, we talked about all the time.

847
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 7: But it just brings the human elements to football is

848
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 7: just a game. And I thought what Nick Mangold meant

849
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 7: to Ohiohio State and into the NFL. I thought they

850
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 7: did a great tribute, And you know, I think sometimes

851
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 7: that brings us down to earth a little bit when

852
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 7: things like that happen. So I just want to commend

853
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 7: the organization. I thought it was a great job.

854
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they really did. It was. It was. It

855
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 2: was very cool in the building.

856
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 4: They had like a nice video Withaly he loved Dave

857
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 4: Matthews band, and so we had some Dave Matthews songs

858
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 4: playing over his video. And then his wife and their

859
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 4: children were the captains for the coin toss. They like

860
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 4: were on the field for the coin toss. They had

861
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 4: a big banner there stuff all around the stadium, like

862
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 4: built into the stadium of him. And then they had

863
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 4: a huge banner that unfurled over one of the end zones,

864
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 4: like in the crowd. They covered a whole section in

865
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 4: the crowd of a couple sections even of Nick And

866
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 4: it was it was.

867
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Speaker 2: It was very well done. It was very classy and

868
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 2: it was very well done. Yeah, thanks for bringing that up, buddy.

869
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 2: Appreciate you.

870
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, trying to end on a positive note, you know.

871
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: So there we go. Go appreciate you, guys.

872
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 7: I always appreciate you had me on.

873
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: There, he goes. Dave's astideal joining us.

874
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875
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Speaker 3: you by Oswald, official risk advisor.

876
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,960
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Speaker 2: We've got a new uniform for the Patriots. What are

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00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 2: they wearing? It's like the gray the gray one.

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00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 6: You definitely want to take a peek if you can.

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00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 6: The whole thing.

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00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: I've seen. So there are people, that's nice.

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Speaker 4: There were quite a few of them in the crowd,

895
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 4: and a lot of that gear with the n E logo,

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00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 4: which actually is a pretty it's not I actually kind

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Speaker 4: of like that this is a really logo. Look right here, dude, Yeah,

898
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 4: the white lids, it's very good.

899
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Speaker 2: And then they have like an ANY logo on it. Yeah,

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00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: the logo.

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00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 4: Look, I think that Any is pretty solid. Yeah, it's

902
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 4: it's honestly.

903
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: That's really nice.

904
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 4: And I know we talked about it and why I

905
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 4: understand why they wear the things that remind them of

906
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 4: Tom Brady and the greatness of the Patriots, and it

907
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 4: makes sense. But like I could see a world where

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00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 4: they have like this, the Brady and then the pat

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00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 4: the Patriots. Pat Patriots is so good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It's just as it's them that one,

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00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: the Bucks one.

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00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 3: They're just playing a super Bowl in those though, didn't

913
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 3: they well Bears, Yeah, forty six to ten, Steve Grogan,

914
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 3: Andre Tippett maybe that's yeah, Tony Easton, ton Craig James, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean that was that was that group.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: It's just a shame because they the greatness is with

918
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 3: the other look and so that's the thing that's tough.

919
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 3: Denver's at that same spot. I mean, as perfect as

920
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: theirs are, they never won it in the orange with

921
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Speaker 3: the with the bright blue.

922
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Speaker 2: They won it in.

923
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: I know, it still evokes John Alway.

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00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: It does.

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00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: I mean I still think of that one more than

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Speaker 3: I do the their modern one that they wore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like to me, that still evokes their greatest player.

928
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Speaker 2: I would agree, I would agree.

929
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Speaker 5: Will not address.

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Speaker 3: Him and Brady. By the way, Brady had a bunch

931
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Speaker 3: of games and half the Patriot Yeah, I don't know

932
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Speaker 3: how many, but they definitely had like a five hundred

933
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 3: yarder against Tennessee and the snow in the path the

934
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Speaker 3: Patrio in that one I remember. I actually think the

935
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 3: ones that they have now are better than the ones

936
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Speaker 3: that they wore under Braidy. When they wear the blue

937
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 3: over silver. I don't like the monochrome all navy rook

938
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 3: or whatever, but I think when they wear the blue

939
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 3: over silver, it's really clean. They had one earlier this

940
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 3: year where they wore I think blue over white, which

941
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 3: I thought looked pretty good because they have the UCLA

942
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 3: stripes on them, like they look strong. I think they

943
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 3: look pretty good. They their brand is pretty good. And

944
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 3: you think about this idea to have Brady for all

945
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: of that time, have a couple of years without figuring

946
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 3: it out, and then draft they drafted mac Jones. Circumstances

947
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: weren't right for him, weren't right for them, bailed on him,

948
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Speaker 3: got out of it quick, and then they pivot and

949
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: they land Drake May. And this kid is good enough

950
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 3: that he can like overcome coaching changes as a rookie,

951
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: and then they hire the right guy who changes the

952
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Speaker 3: culture in the second.

953
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: He's a culture tornado.

954
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Speaker 3: Vrabel is, Oh yeah, the accountability, Oh my god, Like

955
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 3: he's just a culture.

956
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 6: Tournaments and yeah, laughing and joking with the media. They

957
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 6: love him.

958
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's that's outright.

959
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: The I mean Tennessee. He could have been the coach

960
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: of the Tennessee Titans for twenty five years. It would

961
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 3: have been a legend in Nashville.

962
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 2: It's just insane. He is a legended nation.

963
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: Yes, and they ran him because he spoke lowingly about

964
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: the Patriots when they put him in the ring of

965
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 3: all days. I'm Jeff Jarrett. She's not happy about it.

966
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 3: A great many others. Yeah, to take that guitar to

967
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: whoever made that decision, Yes, yeah, it's brutal. Give him

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00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 3: the all el Kabang.

969
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: Got to do it. It's crazy.

970
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: I like those those those look good and I saw

971
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 3: the rams are wearing them too. The Rams are wearing

972
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: their midnight ones. Oh yeah, it's just the NFC West

973
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: and the AFC we're doing, right, Is that right?

974
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: I think that's right.

976
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 3: The Cardinals wore those ones that look like sand Oh yeah,

977
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: that's that's really nice.

978
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: And it's actually blue blue. It's the darkest, darkest. Call

979
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: that a midnight Navy. Yeah, I think that's that pop

980
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 2: by the way, that should be. That's fine.

981
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 3: That can They have a lot of uniforms they do

982
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: to choose from. That's an easy operation to root for

983
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 3: win all the time. Tons of studs on offensive defense.

984
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 3: No draft picks, don't need him.

985
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 6: When we have them will hit Anybody in LA care.

986
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: About the Chargers more than they do.

987
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 3: But it it looks like the Chargers on Sunday Night

988
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 3: we're going to great lengths to like get the star

989
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 3: power in there. They have a lot of celebrities that

990
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 3: they're trying to get into those games. And I think

991
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: justin Herbert l A is a star town. So Herbert

992
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 3: dating that Madison Breer, what's it, what's what's her name?

993
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: Great tar?

994
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 3: He loved Carson Schwashter from day one, Yeah he did,

995
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 3: he did. But I think that helps is it is

996
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: he dating a pop star or something. Herbert what's her name,

997
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: Madison Brier?

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00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: Did I have that right? Yeah? Okay, So I think

999
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: that helps.

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00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 3: And he's a stud and then he's the Lakers games

1001
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 3: Hailey Steinfeld?

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00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 5: Is that right?

1003
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 3: Who isn't Josh Allen married Hailey Steinfeld? Yes, yes, yeah, yeah,

1004
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: but I was talking about l a star power fact

1005
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 3: quarterbacks with stuff.

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00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, good, But I think that gives you a chance.

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00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 3: So then he goes down on the on the court

1008
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 3: side for Lakers, and then it kind of all that.

1009
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 3: That's kind of what he's in. Every Herbert's in a

1010
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: lot of ads. You watch a football game, he is

1011
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: in a great many ads.

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00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

1013
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: Some lady comes try again to.

1014
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 4: Sign their mortgage for and he's like, you don't need me,

1015
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 4: so I'll get you a mortgage.

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Speaker 3: He's I do wonder if the NFL could have it back,

1017
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: if they would have found other ownership in San Diego,

1018
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: because they are so wayward in Los Angeles, and like,

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00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: I know, San Diego doesn't have corporate money, but it's

1020
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 3: there's a lot of wealth down there, and the idea

1021
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: that like I.

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00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 4: Think if the NFL had it back, he would be

1023
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 4: the quarterback of the Miami Dolphins in that draft, had

1024
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 4: him go there too, it could have gone to l

1025
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 4: a West coast and he's got you know.

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00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 2: Do you think that would have helped I mean, I

1027
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: don't know.

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00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: Would have he played at Oregon, I don't know they

1029
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: would have necessarily helped the Chargers, But I think that

1030
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 3: is less important to them than like if the Dolphins

1031
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 3: were thriving and he's the next coming of Marino.

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00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: Miami's got a lot of money.

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00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 4: I think that would be a pretty good town to

1034
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 4: have him be the face of, Like LA.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you already have the Rams, you got, the

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Speaker 2: Lakers you got.

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Speaker 3: I mean that goes by the original play stayed in

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00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 3: San Diego.

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Speaker 2: You didn't need two teams in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 4: Now, I do think two as a Polynesian in LA, though,

1041
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Speaker 3: was Berlin, Buddy.

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Speaker 5: Guten dogs there?

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Speaker 8: Goot, I am doing okay after just a couple hours

1061
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Speaker 8: of sleep over the last three days.

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Speaker 5: I'm too all right? There?

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Speaker 4: Was it just pure joy hoff in Berlin, being back

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Speaker 4: in Germany, not Munich obviously where you are a legend.

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Speaker 4: But was it was it fun to be back and

1066
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 4: what kind of frivolity was enjoyed?

1067
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Speaker 5: It was fun.

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Speaker 8: It was really cool, like the Germans really loved the

1069
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 8: NFL and it was pretty clear. Obviously we played in

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00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 8: London this year and I got a chance to go

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Speaker 8: to that game, and well, I think people in London

1072
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Speaker 8: are still very excited about having NFL games. I think

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00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 8: it's become pretty normal and regular, and so the scarcity

1074
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 8: of it isn't quite what it used to be. But

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Speaker 8: with one game in Germany every year and a fan

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Speaker 8: base that continues to grow by leaps and bounds every year,

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Speaker 8: and this being the first regular season game in Berlin,

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Speaker 8: I mean people were just going bananas, and I mean

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Speaker 8: the party was going on for three four days and

1080
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 8: all the big German celebrity NFL players were in town,

1081
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Speaker 8: and I got to hang out with them a little bit,

1082
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 8: and they showed me around Berlin, and there was not

1083
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Speaker 8: a lot.

1084
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 5: Of sleep that was had.

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Speaker 8: So I did have a lot of fun and a

1086
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Speaker 8: lot of frivolity. Got a chance to go out and

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Speaker 8: see how late that Berlin stays open and how late

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Speaker 8: they're willing to serve beers in large quantities, and so

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Speaker 8: it was a great experience all around. I can't complain too.

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Speaker 5: Much, Huff.

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Speaker 3: I have not been to Berlin or Munich, but I

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Speaker 3: do feel like I have a pretty decent handle on

1093
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Speaker 3: and I understand that probably sounds absurd about Munich, just

1094
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Speaker 3: because I've seen it in pop culture more Berlin, you know,

1095
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Speaker 3: because of pop culture. What you're reminded of is, you

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00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 3: know that World War two and all of that, had

1097
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 3: you had you been to Berlin, when you spent the

1098
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 3: year in Germany, and what can you tell me about

1099
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 3: the city, What can you tell us about their sporting style,

1100
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 3: just the liveability of it, all of that.

1101
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, so's it's a huge sports city. I would call it,

1102
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 8: you know, maybe a little bit like a German version

1103
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 8: of a New York City, whereas Munich's got a very

1104
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 8: unique culture.

1105
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 5: Being in Bavaria.

1106
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 8: They've built the downtown, They've rebuilt the downtown, I should say,

1107
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 8: in the classic village style. So the famous saying over

1108
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 8: there is that it's the world's biggest village. I don't know,

1109
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 8: there's like two million people, but it feels small. You

1110
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 8: can get around really easily on the subway. There's not

1111
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 8: a lot of high rises downtown. They actually have restrictions.

1112
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 8: All the buildings still kind of look like the old

1113
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 8: village from three four hundred years ago. So it's definitely

1114
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 8: a different feel, whereas Berlin feels much more cosmopolitan.

1115
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 5: There's big high rises everywhere.

1116
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 8: There's traffic problems, of course, but they still have really

1117
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 8: good efficient subways and trains.

1118
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 5: But it's definitely like the trendy place. You know.

1119
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,959
Speaker 8: You go around, you see a lot of blue hair

1120
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 8: and a lot of leather and whips and chains and

1121
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 8: those type of things. So it is definitely a really unique, cool,

1122
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 8: interesting culture. They love football though, they love sports and

1123
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 8: that they were definitely fired up about the game and

1124
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 8: they got a great game. I mean going into overtime

1125
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 8: and seeing my boy Jonathan Taylor, my badger buddy, giving

1126
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 8: me a badger.

1127
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 5: Mental boost by.

1128
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 8: Having the game he had and finishing and overtime with

1129
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 8: a big run.

1130
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 5: It was. It was an amazing experience to be a

1131
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 5: part of.

1132
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you talk, Jonathan Taylor is just playing

1133
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 4: out of his mind. He got Danny Dimes bledded up

1134
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 4: and having that crazy visual and nice comeback. You guys

1135
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 4: did get actually a highly entertaining game.

1136
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 8: We did, and some of those international games. They sometimes

1137
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 8: give him the less than awesome matchups in the offseason

1138
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 8: because they know are like, hey, you know what, people

1139
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 8: are going to go no matter what, so it doesn't

1140
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 8: matter we'll give them, you know, whoever versus whoever. I'm

1141
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 8: not going to insult any fan bases, including our own,

1142
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 8: but you know, they don't always give him the best matchups,

1143
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 8: and it's always tough to tell at the beginning of

1144
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 8: the season what it's going to be like. But that

1145
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 8: was that was a fun, interesting matchup. The Falcons have

1146
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 8: been really up and down a lot of the season,

1147
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 8: but there's still a fun, exciting team to watch. I mean,

1148
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 8: Michael Pennock junior, you can see he's got a lot

1149
00:52:59,120 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 8: of talent.

1150
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 5: He's got a lot of room to grow. Bjon Robinson.

1151
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 8: I mean, they've got some really fun players to watch,

1152
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 8: and they put on a great show because it was

1153
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 8: neck and neck. It seemed like the Colts just outplayed

1154
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 8: him the whole game, but they just weren't able to

1155
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 8: finish in the end zone. And I think one of

1156
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 8: the problems was I think we only converted in that

1157
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 8: game one third or.

1158
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 5: Fourth down and it was like in the end of

1159
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:24,959
Speaker 5: the fourth quarter.

1160
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 8: So teams were having a hard time doing anything except

1161
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 8: for hitting explosive plays to score points and.

1162
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 5: Continue their drives.

1163
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 8: But the fans were into it from the beginning, and

1164
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 8: you could just tell that it just felt like a

1165
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 8: big game that had a lot of historic value.

1166
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, historic performers from Jonathan Taylor. Nice little weekend for

1167
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 3: Bucky Badger. By the way, Fit gets the I know

1168
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 3: he's a buddy yours, he gets the vote of confidence

1169
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 3: from the ad. Then you get the win against Washington,

1170
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 3: a little courts little field, storming on Saturday and mad

1171
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 3: Town and then Jonathan Taylor goes nuts and you're in

1172
00:53:58,800 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 3: attendance on Sunday.

1173
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: That's kin the heck of a Badger week, Buddy.

1174
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 5: It was. You know, we flipped the script a little bit.

1175
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 8: Although I'm not exactly putting a feather in my cap

1176
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 8: about storming the field beating Washington, you.

1177
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 5: Know what I was happy about it. I was just

1178
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 5: happy that the.

1179
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 8: Good and fine folks and the students at Madison had

1180
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 8: something to be excited about it, and they were so

1181
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 8: excited that they wanted to get on the field and

1182
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,479
Speaker 8: tell their team about it. And so you just hope

1183
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 8: in a season, in a couple of seasons that have

1184
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 8: been filled with turmoil and stress and anxiety, and there's

1185
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 8: a lot of calls for Fickle to be fired, that

1186
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 8: maybe this is some type of rallying cry where now

1187
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 8: they feel like it's the world against them, and they

1188
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 8: give that message of you know, this was the moment

1189
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 8: that we flipped the scripts. We burned the boats, and

1190
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 8: we turned it around and we kind of found ourselves.

1191
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 5: A little bit.

1192
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 8: So there was definitely a good weekend to be a

1193
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 8: Badger for the first time.

1194
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 5: In a while.

1195
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 3: I think it's fair to storm the field against Washington

1196
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 3: when you're leading passer as your punter and you win.

1197
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 8: So maybe that's what they were celebrat the Greats. I

1198
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 8: think sticking performance, not necessarily with his feet, but the

1199
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 8: fact that he was your leading passer and.

1200
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 5: You win a game like that's historic enough.

1201
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 8: I feel like it's acceptable to storm the field in

1202
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 8: that situation.

1203
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 3: They had four different what Wisconsin had four different players

1204
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 3: attempt to pass in the In the win against Washington

1205
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 3: on Saturday, Sean West, who's their punter, was one of

1206
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 3: one for twenty four yards and he was their leading

1207
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 3: passer and they won pretty great, pretty good.

1208
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, it transitions into a game that we lost in

1209
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 4: which Justin Fields completed two passes in the entire game

1210
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 4: beyond the line of scrimmage for seven yards and an interception,

1211
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 4: and the Browns lost Hof, I hate to get from

1212
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 4: the high highs of Wisconsin wonderments to unfortunately some low

1213
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 4: lows for the Cleveland Browns. But what did you make

1214
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 4: of this game? Two return touchdowns allowed a loss, another

1215
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 4: kind of inexplicable loss in a season of many of them.

1216
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 4: And the Browns are two and seven after losing another game.

1217
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 4: Quite frankly, they should have won.

1218
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 5: Well.

1219
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 8: I blame Kevin Sefanski because he should have given Corey

1220
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 8: Bojorquez more opportunities to throw the.

1221
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 5: Ball to be our leading passer.

1222
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 8: If you would have watched the Badgers on Saturday, he

1223
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 8: knows that that's the path to victory.

1224
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough, I mean it, I this was one

1225
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 3: he had to have, Hoff.

1226
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 2: I mean, you go to New York, yep.

1227
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 3: They they waved the white flag on their season. They

1228
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 3: traded their two best defensive players. They really weren't even

1229
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 3: interested in attempting the forward pass. You get two special

1230
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 3: teams touchdowns to go against you, and and here we

1231
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 3: are again, and and it's it's I don't know, you

1232
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 3: got Baltimore coming in here on Sunday, and you know

1233
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 3: you hear Kevin, We're gonna work out. We got to

1234
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 3: get better, coach better, play better, all these things, but

1235
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 3: you keep waiting to see it, and it you know,

1236
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 3: it just hasn't happened. It's it's been a This was

1237
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 3: a stupefying one, though, Hoff I think, I'm I'm sure

1238
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 3: you were either in fans and how much of it

1239
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 3: were you even able to watch?

1240
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 8: I just was able to watch just a brief amount

1241
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 8: by the time we got out of the stadium and

1242
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 8: got back. You know, the the NFL day seemed like

1243
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 8: I didn't even know if it had just started or

1244
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 8: just finished, So I had to watch it on replay

1245
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 8: this morning.

1246
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean, it was one of those ones

1247
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 5: where you felt like.

1248
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 8: You had to win this one because when you're a

1249
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 8: team that's struggling, but you still feel like you've got

1250
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 8: some pieces, like you still feel like your defense is

1251
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 8: good enough to win your games, you still feel like

1252
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 8: you've got a good running game, and you feel like

1253
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 8: Quinchohn Jenkins has an opportunity to get you enough yards

1254
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 8: and points that you got to beat one of the

1255
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 8: worst teams in the league, especially when they don't really

1256
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 8: they've already.

1257
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 5: Given up on the season, like you mentioned.

1258
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 8: Already uploading their best players in the ship and sailing

1259
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 8: towards next season and the season beyond.

1260
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:52,439
Speaker 5: You got to be able to win that game.

1261
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 8: And so I think that's why it was not just frustrating,

1262
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 8: it was maddening, you know, to see the performance offensively

1263
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 8: couldn't really do anything. And it's one of those things again,

1264
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 8: like we've talked about earlier in the season, is beating

1265
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 8: yourself when you're a team that doesn't have a lot

1266
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 8: of weapons on offense to be able to score a

1267
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 8: lot of points. You can't beat yourself. If you're going

1268
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 8: to win with defense, you can't beat yourself. And that

1269
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 8: means you can't have penalties, you can't have a bunch

1270
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 8: of miss assignments, and you can't give up big plays

1271
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 8: on special teams. You got to at least be a

1272
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 8: net zero on special teams. And so I think the

1273
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 8: frustration is if you go into the season knowing the

1274
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 8: type of team that you have to be, because you see, Okay,

1275
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 8: we've got a great defense, but that's kind of where

1276
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 8: it stops.

1277
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 5: We want to lean on the run game.

1278
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 8: I feel like our offensive line is pretty decent, but

1279
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 8: we're probably not going to light up the scoreboard. And

1280
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 8: then you aren't able to take care of the things

1281
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 8: that you can control, which has got to be good

1282
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 8: on special teams, no big mistakes, not a lot of penalties,

1283
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 8: and you can't make a lot of miss assignments like

1284
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 8: those are the things you have to focus on and

1285
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 8: be good at otherwise these embarrassing losses like this happen

1286
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 8: when you lose to a team like the Jets who've

1287
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 8: already given up on the season.

1288
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 2: About to change in play colors.

1289
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 4: What did you see from Tommy Reese and anything jump

1290
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 4: out to you that was maybe different or that you

1291
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 4: saw that was positive.

1292
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 8: You know, I was hoping that he would maybe unlock

1293
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 8: Dylan Gabriel a little bit and allow him maybe more

1294
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 8: comfort to take some more risks and chances.

1295
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 5: Just hear in a different voice.

1296
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 8: I think in meeting sometimes can give you a different

1297
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 8: sense of the risks you should be willing to take

1298
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 8: and maybe allows you to feel a little bit more free,

1299
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 8: maybe seeing a little bit.

1300
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 5: More of the play action or the RPO stuff.

1301
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 8: And lean into maybe what he feels like Dylan is

1302
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 8: more comfortable with because you just have a different set

1303
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 8: of eyes.

1304
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 5: On the game plan.

1305
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 8: And I think everybody's kind of got a little different fingerprint,

1306
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 8: even though you're running the same offense.

1307
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 5: Calling plays. It's more of an art than it is

1308
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 5: a science. But I didn't see that.

1309
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 8: I mean, you still didn't really see Dylan Gabriel taking

1310
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 8: chances to push the ball down the field. You saw

1311
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 8: several times where it looked like Dylan was almost kind

1312
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 8: of confused with what he was seeing and where he

1313
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 8: wanted to go with the football.

1314
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 5: And so I don't know if some of that was.

1315
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 8: Because maybe he was starting to get some different coaching

1316
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 8: points on the passing concepts where the ball, Like a

1317
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 8: couple of times it looked like he was looking like

1318
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 8: he wanted to throw one way, and all of a sudden,

1319
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 8: he just shoot the other way and went right in

1320
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 8: the dirt. And I'm thinking to myself, like that wasn't

1321
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 8: just a missthrow. That was like him changing his mind

1322
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 8: at the last second. You know, like everybody's done that

1323
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 8: when they're throwing the ball in the backyard, like with

1324
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 8: some buddies, and like all of a sudden they're trying

1325
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 8: to throw it in a different spot. It just looks

1326
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 8: like a terrible pass with horrible accuracy. But to me,

1327
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 8: that's like indecision in his mind, and so it seemed

1328
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 8: like the changeing coordinator. Actually it hurt Dylan in this situation.

1329
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 5: And you know, maybe some of that's to be expected.

1330
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 8: You're a rookie, you got a new voice, you got

1331
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 8: that new person call and plays, a new person that's

1332
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 8: your right hand man as you're going through practice.

1333
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 5: But to take six sacks, that means he didn't know where.

1334
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 8: To go with the football a lot of times, whether

1335
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 8: it's be the progression that you need to go through

1336
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 8: and then throw it away or just making sure that

1337
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 8: like hey, it's either going to be this guy or

1338
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 8: check down or you know, those are kind of the

1339
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 8: two things that you need to be able to know

1340
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 8: clearly when you walk to the line of scrimmage, when

1341
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 8: you see the defense, so you can make a quick

1342
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 8: decision and you don't take a big negative play. And then,

1343
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 8: like like I mentioned before, like those times where he

1344
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 8: wanted to throw it, but it was like he didn't

1345
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 8: really know exactly what he wanted to do with the football.

1346
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 8: And so, unfortunately to the viewer who was not in

1347
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 8: meetings and who didn't do anything but watch the game

1348
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 8: this week, which is me, it looked like Dylan took

1349
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 8: a step back in this game.

1350
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 4: When a guy has When we saw Miles last time

1351
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 4: we played in New England, Miles had five sacks. Will

1352
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 4: McDonald came into this game with three sacks. He had

1353
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 4: four in this game. When you see one player in

1354
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,919
Speaker 4: a game, get it in the case of Miles four,

1355
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 4: in the case of Will McDonald, what does that tell you?

1356
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 4: And then from a protection standpoint, like, is it after

1357
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 4: two that maybe you have to change things? You know,

1358
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 4: how do we kind of get to a situation like

1359
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 4: that where one guy was able to get around in

1360
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 4: this case our left tackle Cam Robinson four times.

1361
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 5: Well, I think you.

1362
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 8: Need to be realistic if your guys getting beat more

1363
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 8: than two or three times, especially early on in the game,

1364
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 8: you need to say, Okay, I need to give with

1365
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 8: my offensive line coach, and we need to talk about it,

1366
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 8: and he needs to give me a straight answer right

1367
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 8: like this is the battlefield and I don't need you

1368
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 8: to sugarcoat it because I need to know exactly right now,

1369
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 8: is he going to be able to block this guy

1370
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 8: the rest of the game or do I need to

1371
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 8: go down my call sheet and start crossing off plays

1372
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 8: that I can't trust him to block the guy that's

1373
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 8: got his number right now, and so I don't know

1374
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 8: if there was clear communication in that situation or if

1375
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 8: maybe there was a a trust in expectations that things

1376
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 8: were going to change that shouldn't have been there.

1377
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 5: But to a lot of player like Will McDonald, who's not,

1378
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 5: in my opinion.

1379
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 8: Miles Garrett, be able to get four sacks in a game,

1380
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 8: I don't think that's acceptable because you have to start

1381
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 8: changing either what the quarterback's doing or what the protection

1382
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 8: is in those situations to get better protection to be

1383
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 8: able to handle a guy like that, because you can't let.

1384
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 5: Him get four sacks.

1385
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 8: I mean, it's just one of those things where you

1386
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 8: have to realize before it's too late that your guy

1387
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 8: can't block their guy, and you either have to start

1388
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 8: chipping and helping a little bit, and you know, your

1389
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 8: passing game does suffer a little bit because you've got

1390
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 8: one less guy getting out on the route quickly. But

1391
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 8: you have to make those adjustments because sacks in this game,

1392
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 8: especially when we talk about how we need to win,

1393
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 8: can't make mistakes, penalties, dad players and special teams. You

1394
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 8: can't take big plays because they don't make enough explosive

1395
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 8: plays to be able to overcome either a penalty on

1396
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 8: a drive or a sack on a drive because they

1397
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 8: just can't go that far down the field. And it's

1398
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 8: just the limitations right now with this version of the offense,

1399
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 8: and so sacks are just on a acceptable that you

1400
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 8: can't let him happen because you'd rather have you know,

1401
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 8: second and ten or third and ten or whatever the

1402
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 8: situation here is in than to sit there and go, okay,

1403
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 8: now we got to go twelve or fifteen yards, like

1404
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 8: we just don't have any big play explosive ability in

1405
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 8: the passing game whatsoever to be able to overcome something

1406
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 8: like that in.

1407
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 4: The drive now it's been it's been tough, and then

1408
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 4: the other part it's been tough to run of late.

1409
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 4: I think in large part because of that, teams are saying,

1410
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 4: we're gonna stop quinch On Judkins. What do you see

1411
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 4: him from our line in terms of the push that

1412
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 4: they're generating, because you know, he's one of the league

1413
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 4: leaders in percentage of his yards that come after contact,

1414
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 4: which is not a stat that necessarily you want to

1415
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 4: be leading the league.

1416
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 8: In, right, So we always thought that as an offensive line,

1417
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 8: we have to at least be able to get our

1418
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 8: running back with his feet through the line of scrimmage

1419
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 8: without him being touched.

1420
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 5: That's our job.

1421
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 8: And then you got to get those second level blocks

1422
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 8: so you can get to four yards and then beyond that,

1423
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 8: it's kind of like, what can he do that's special?

1424
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 8: What can the receivers do to help out? But they're

1425
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 8: just not being able to get enough movement on the

1426
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 8: line of scrimmage. They're not creating those scenes, and Quinchan

1427
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 8: is just not given enough of an opportunity to be

1428
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 8: able to get to the line of scrimmage clean, to

1429
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 8: be able to see his vision, to use his jump cuts,

1430
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 8: to be able to make those plays. And I think

1431
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 8: they know you already hit your bye week, but you

1432
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 8: really need to make some serious decisions about what are

1433
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 8: the running concepts that we're really good at that Quinchean

1434
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 8: can execute, Because I mean, they gave him twenty two carries,

1435
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 8: but to average three almost three point four to three

1436
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 8: point five yards a game, that's not good enough for

1437
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 8: a team that is relying on running the ball. So

1438
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 8: you either got to figure out we need to throw

1439
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 8: the ball deeper down the field because we understand that

1440
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 8: if we're not pushing the ball down the field. Defenses

1441
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 8: are crowding the line of scrimmage.

1442
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 5: They're adding safeties to the box. Yep, they're creeping.

1443
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 8: Towards the line to be able to account for all

1444
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 8: the gaps and then some. And if you're not creating

1445
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 8: those teams, you're not getting that push at the line

1446
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 8: of scrimmage in those double teams, and he's not able

1447
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 8: to get the line of scrimmage. He can't even be

1448
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 8: the special player that we think he is because there's

1449
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 8: too many bodies at the line of scrimmage that are

1450
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 8: not being blocked.

1451
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 5: Like let's say the.

1452
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 8: Box is soft because you've got Patrick Mahomes or Josh

1453
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 8: Allen or one of these guys that pushes the ball

1454
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 8: down the field. Like, even if you don't do a

1455
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 8: great job blocking, a good running back is usually going

1456
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 8: to make one man miss before he gets the line

1457
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 8: of scrimmage as.

1458
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 5: Long as he has some space.

1459
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 8: But if he doesn't even have that space, because when

1460
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 8: he makes one man miss, boom, now there's that safety

1461
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 8: and he's filling hard into the other gap. It's basically

1462
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 8: impossible to run the football. And so you'd have to

1463
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 8: be perfect on the line, which they're not to be

1464
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 8: able to get to four yards to give him a

1465
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 8: chance to go be the unblocked player.

1466
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 5: And so it's just like.

1467
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 8: Cascade of mistakes and errors, and the offense is putting

1468
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 8: himself in a box that's too difficult to get.

1469
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 5: Out of because you can't throw the ball on the field.

1470
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 5: You can't threaten defenses.

1471
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 8: They're not afraid of you pushing the ball, they're not

1472
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 8: afraid of explosive plays. You're not effective with your play action,

1473
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 8: your RPOs. You're not tricking anybody, and you're not getting

1474
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 8: pushed at the line of scrimmage. And then when you

1475
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 8: do try to drop back and pass, you can't block

1476
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 8: one of their guys. So I mean frustrating. It's just

1477
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 8: maddening because the offense is not fun and they're not

1478
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 8: doing any of the things that they need to do

1479
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 8: to be able to give themselves a chance to win,

1480
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 8: understanding the personnel that we have.

1481
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 2: Other than that, though, everything's great, Yeah, it's great, give

1482
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:39,439
Speaker 2: me more throat.

1483
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 3: Come on, so let's look, you're two and seven, we

1484
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 3: got eight games to go, including Baltimore coming in here

1485
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 3: on Sunday. How are you going to view success for

1486
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 3: this team in the last eight games. What do you

1487
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 3: want to see this team do what is basically the

1488
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 3: back half of the season. My god, we still have

1489
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 3: eight games left to this off.

1490
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's a struggle to say, Okay, what

1491
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 8: does success look like on offense that's possible and realistic,

1492
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 8: Like what are our goals? We talked about this a

1493
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 8: couple of weeks ago. You know, when you're in a

1494
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 8: season like this, which unfortunately I dealt with a lot

1495
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 8: of them, you have to build like little goals into

1496
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 8: what you're doing every day, and you focus on those

1497
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 8: things and you're like, Okay, let's just get better at

1498
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 8: this thing, and then we can consider like today a

1499
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 8: victory or this weekend of victory because we got better

1500
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 8: at these three things.

1501
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:32,560
Speaker 5: So we're going to just focus.

1502
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 8: Really hard on those and you know what, if it

1503
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 8: leads us to victory, amazing. But if it doesn't, at

1504
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 8: least we feel like we're building. And unfortunately, it feels

1505
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,759
Speaker 8: like we're going backwards right now. And so to say, okay,

1506
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 8: what are the things that we can focus on to

1507
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 8: feel like we're building. From my team standpoint, Okay, defense,

1508
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 8: they're still playing pretty good, right, can they get better.

1509
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 8: Of course, you can always be better, but let's focus.

1510
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 8: First of all, special teams cannot give up any big plays. Nope,

1511
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 8: that's just one thing that can't happen anymore.

1512
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 5: And I played with Bubba, who's a great coach.

1513
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 8: He was a great player, he was a great special teamer,

1514
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 8: a good friend of mine. But when your unit is

1515
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,560
Speaker 8: not executing the way it needs to, you have to

1516
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 8: hold them accountable or you're going to be held accountable. Unfortunately,

1517
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 8: that's the situation that it's in. And as a special

1518
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 8: teams coach, you don't get to keep your job because

1519
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 8: of a bunch of great punt re turn touchdowns or

1520
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 8: kickoff or turn touchdowns. You keep your job because your

1521
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 8: unit doesn't make any big mistakes. I mean, how many

1522
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 8: times throughout the league have we seen a field goal

1523
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 8: block goes for a touchdown or punk blockers or a touchdown.

1524
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 8: Team loves the game, special teams coach gets fired, right

1525
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 8: because your number one job is a special teams coaches.

1526
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 5: Don't lose the game.

1527
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 8: And so you need to focus specifically on that, whatever

1528
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 8: that looks like from an accountability standpoint, finding guys, even

1529
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 8: if they're the starters. I mean, I've been in that

1530
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 8: situation when Mangini was here and he was like, you

1531
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 8: know what, our backups aren't getting it done.

1532
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 5: I don't care how.

1533
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 8: Many plays you got on offense or defense. Special teams

1534
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 8: is a priorit. We're going out there and we're putting

1535
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 8: dudes that are reliable that we know are not going

1536
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 8: to screw it up. They may not be our best option,

1537
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 8: but I know that I can trust them and they're

1538
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 8: not going to screw it up and they're not going

1539
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 8: to put us in a giant hole against the team

1540
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 8: that we should beat by making huge mistakes. And then

1541
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 8: you say okay on offense, I mean we want to

1542
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 8: be able to push the ball. We have to be

1543
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 8: able to push the ball. Like it's starting to hamstring

1544
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 8: our protection. It's hamstringing our run game, which are our

1545
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 8: run blocking hasn't been great obviously, but it compounds it

1546
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 8: when you can't push the ball on the field. So

1547
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 8: Tommy Reese needs to make sure that Dylan Gabriel understands

1548
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 8: interceptions are not okay, but we need to be able

1549
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 8: to take some risks and push the ball on the field.

1550
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 8: You need to start calling more of those plays where

1551
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 8: it's almost like a two man route, or you either

1552
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 8: give him a coaching point where it's like, look, Jerry

1553
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 8: Judy is the primary on this play.

1554
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 5: Throw it to him. I don't really care.

1555
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 8: If he doesn't catch it or it gets intercepted. We

1556
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 8: have to start threatening these defense is down the field

1557
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 8: and in the middle, especially because otherwise teams see that

1558
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 8: and they're just gonna stop wasting time really defending any

1559
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 8: of that stuff, and they're gonna just make it even

1560
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 8: harder for the short think and dunk throws. They're gonna

1561
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 8: make it even harder to run the football. So I

1562
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 8: think what progress is going to look like is, all right,

1563
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 8: can we complete some deep throws. I don't even care

1564
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 8: if we have one hundred and fifty yards, but two

1565
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 8: or three of them are big throws. Like, you need

1566
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 8: to be able to do things to keep your receivers engaged. Also,

1567
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 8: like they tend to be a little bit more adhd

1568
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,680
Speaker 8: than the rest of the guys on the field. They

1569
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 8: tend to be a little bit more over the divas,

1570
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 8: and you've got to make them feel like at any

1571
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 8: moment they could catch a big play and become the

1572
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 8: hero of the game. Otherwise, you're losing their attention, You're

1573
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 8: going to lose their effort, You're gonna lose their focus,

1574
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 8: and you can't afford that when you have a fewer

1575
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 8: amount of playmakers at receiver than other teams. And so

1576
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 8: I think that is on offense. Like to me, if

1577
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 8: I see that when we watch the game next week,

1578
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 8: to me, that's a victory. And then from there you say, okay,

1579
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 8: let's make sure quin Shawn Jenkins gets one hundred yards rushing,

1580
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 8: Like we want his bites at the apple. We want

1581
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 8: to see who on this offensive line can block and

1582
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 8: can get Quinn sewn going. I'd like to see maybe

1583
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 8: a few different concepts that we haven't shown yet, especially

1584
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 8: with Tommy reeson there. You know, I'm sure he's got

1585
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 8: a few things in.

1586
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 5: His back pocket that they may have looked at and

1587
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 5: practiced before.

1588
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 8: But giving defenses a few different looks maybe from some

1589
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 8: different personnel group, brings different formations, different shifts in motions

1590
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 8: so that the defense doesn't exactly know what it is,

1591
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 8: and then.

1592
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 5: Build a few play action shots off of that.

1593
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 8: So I think, for me, as I'm watching this game,

1594
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 8: I'm going all right, next week, can we limit mistakes

1595
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 8: and not beat ourselves.

1596
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 5: On special teams. That will be a big win.

1597
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 8: Can we minimize penalties, Yeah, that's always important. Can we

1598
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 8: take some shots on the field in the passing game,

1599
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 8: even if we don't complete it. We just got to

1600
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 8: put the threat out there. We're working on it and

1601
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 8: we're going to start threatening defenses there. And then can

1602
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,599
Speaker 8: we find some run concepts that could be our identity

1603
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 8: on the offense that our offensive line can hang their.

1604
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 5: Hat on and get excited about. And they can get excited.

1605
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 8: When Quinn John makes a big run and he finishes

1606
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 8: with his shoulders down and his shoulders pads going towards

1607
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 8: the end zone.

1608
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 5: Like those are little victories that I think the.

1609
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 8: Offense can get excited about and you can feel like, Okay,

1610
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 8: we've made some progress and we've got a stepping stone

1611
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,440
Speaker 8: to make another step in the right direction.

1612
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 4: Before we get into the big fig and get into

1613
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 4: the trenches. And the trench report just kind of to

1614
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 4: piggyback on everything you just said there, which you laid

1615
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 4: it out beautifully. On the offensive side, let's sell quarterback

1616
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 4: specifically kind of we've got eight games left. What do

1617
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 4: you kind of want to see the plan at quarterback

1618
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 4: B and we've said all along it's on Dylan Gabriel.

1619
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 4: You know, his job once he was inserted and there

1620
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 4: was to make sure you didn't want to see anybody

1621
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 4: else through. You know, his starts now a little bit

1622
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,600
Speaker 4: of a mixed bag. I think, to be fair, what

1623
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 4: kind of do you want to see over these final

1624
01:13:58,400 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 4: eight games at that position?

1625
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 8: Well, I think we've seen a lot from Dylan Gabriel

1626
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 8: and we haven't seen enough at this point to say like, ooh,

1627
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 8: I want to see more to see if he could

1628
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 8: be our franchise quarterback next year. I mean, when you

1629
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 8: draft a guy in the third round, he's you're kind

1630
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 8: of thinking he's going to be maybe a backup and

1631
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 8: possibly a developmental quarterback that maybe somewhere down the line

1632
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 8: he could be a starter. I think it's pretty clear

1633
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 8: right now that he's not going to be the franchise

1634
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 8: quarterback next year.

1635
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 5: You know, I think it makes sense to see what

1636
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 5: else you have.

1637
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 8: And I think at some point, I don't know if

1638
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 8: it's this week or next week, and I'd love to

1639
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 8: hear from the Browns and Coach Savanski about like when

1640
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 8: is shoud we're going.

1641
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 5: To get an opportunity is it this week?

1642
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 8: But I think it makes sense. You got to see

1643
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 8: him like he was. The reason you drafted him this

1644
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 8: last year was because he's a great value. You knew

1645
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 8: he had some upside. You know, he had a lot

1646
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 8: of growing to do, he had a lot to learn.

1647
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 8: But you wanted to have an opportunity to see both

1648
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 8: him and Dylan, most likely this season because you have

1649
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,640
Speaker 8: to make that decision next year and you have to

1650
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 8: understand two first round picks that's probably going to be

1651
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 8: a quarterback, and so we need to know who these

1652
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 8: quarterbacks are on this roster. So yeah, I mean, I

1653
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 8: don't know if it's this year, this week, but you

1654
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 8: have to see Shootoor And honestly, I think we've seen

1655
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 8: Dylan right now and there's been ups and downs, but

1656
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 8: I'm not seeing enough progress in the right direction to say, yeah,

1657
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 8: I want to see more of that right now, because

1658
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,799
Speaker 8: I still think that he can be he can convince

1659
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:33,879
Speaker 8: us enough that we don't need to draft a quarterback

1660
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 8: in the first round next year.

1661
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 5: He hasn't done that.

1662
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 8: I mean, I think that's an unbiased position if you've

1663
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 8: watched these games, and so I think it makes sense

1664
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 8: you got to see Shooder.

1665
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 2: All right, let's hit the trench port.

1666
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 3: It's brought to you by Big Fig the mattress made

1667
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 3: for More, crafted in Cleveland, just like our Browns. Next

1668
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 3: to Miles Garrett, Carson Swestinger, Denzel Ward. Is anyone on

1669
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 3: defense playing better than Alex Right, anyone on this team?

1670
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 3: He's been lights out this year. Tod a big one

1671
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 3: this last weekend.

1672
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 5: Hoff. Are we allowed to include Miles Garrett?

1673
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 2: I think I mentioned him first? Yes, yeah, he was

1674
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 2: all mentioned first off.

1675
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 5: Or Olympics skills on my part.

1676
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 3: All right, you've slept for two hours in three days,

1677
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 3: you're in Germany, You've had six six beers.

1678
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 2: It's fine.

1679
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, let me tell you, thirty six hours no food,

1680
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 5: thirty six beers is not a great diet. I wouldn't

1681
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 5: recommend it for anybody, even though they are very delicious.

1682
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 3: Hallax Spears was that that's like Andre the Giant for

1683
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 3: a little Yeah, that's an incredible performance by you.

1684
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 8: I felt like him this morning six feet Under when

1685
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 8: I was trying to so no, I think I think

1686
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 8: Alex Right, you know that to me? If you're looking

1687
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 8: for bright spots on this team right now, clearly Alex

1688
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 8: Right is a huge bright spot the defensive line. I

1689
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 8: think obviously we knew that they were going to be

1690
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:58,759
Speaker 8: one of our strengths, but playing great football.

1691
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 5: Carson Swessinger obviously continuing to.

1692
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 8: Play really good, So I would throw him in there,

1693
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 8: maybe also as another guy that's uh maybe you said

1694
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 8: him already too as well, but as another guy that's been.

1695
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 5: Really impressive and fun to watch.

1696
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 8: I mean, he'd add another ten tackles in the game,

1697
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 8: half a sack, two TFLs. I mean, he's all over

1698
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 8: the field, beast, I mean, and so you the great

1699
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 8: thing is that this defense is really as advertised.

1700
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 5: They're the team that you thought they were.

1701
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 8: And unless you've played in the NFL, and I've never

1702
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 8: played defense in the NFL, but I still respect how

1703
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 8: hard it is to play defense consistently when your offense

1704
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 8: is not doing anything, and it's so difficult because of

1705
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 8: how hard and how tiring it is to run to

1706
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:42,560
Speaker 8: the football with maximum effort every single play, only to

1707
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,719
Speaker 8: have to come back out on the field ten minutes

1708
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 8: later after a three and out by your offense or

1709
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,640
Speaker 8: after four or five plays by your offense, Like it

1710
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 8: is really really hard to keep that level up, and

1711
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 8: we always thought that when we played the Steelers, who

1712
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 8: were one of, you know, the number one defense in

1713
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 8: the league, like seemed like the first half of my career,

1714
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 8: we said, all we got to do is extend a

1715
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 8: drive with one first down, and they'll get tired because

1716
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 8: they're disguising.

1717
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:08,799
Speaker 5: They're moving all over the field.

1718
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 8: They have to run and cover different zones with their

1719
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 8: zone blitzes, and so we knew that the longer the

1720
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 8: drive went on, the more exhausted they were going to be,

1721
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,640
Speaker 8: the more vulnerable they were going to be. But if

1722
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 8: their offense kept the football and we would go three

1723
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 8: and out, they're fresh and the balls in their court

1724
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 8: and they're going to be really tough to beat. And

1725
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 8: so for the defense to continue to play the way

1726
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 8: they have been with the offense struggling the way they.

1727
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:36,759
Speaker 5: Have been, I think is a huge, huge bright spot.

1728
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 8: And I think you've got to feel really good about

1729
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 8: the defensive line the way they're playing and the way

1730
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 8: the defense as a whole is holding things together and

1731
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 8: still giving you an opportunity to win even in spite

1732
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,560
Speaker 8: of offensive ineptitude.

1733
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 3: Off get some rest, Yes, Sarah, thanks for your time, buddy,

1734
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 3: and your tales of greatness in Germany.

1735
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 8: I appreciate you guys, thanks for having me on. I

1736
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 8: will mention briefly that Katerina Vit was the coin cost

1737
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 8: captain in the game.

1738
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,639
Speaker 2: Oh my, oh I'm aware.

1739
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 6: Wait that's who?

1740
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 5: That who?

1741
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, how do I know?

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Speaker 8: This?

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Speaker 2: Put me half tagged me in the post top, which

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Speaker 2: I appreciated.

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Speaker 5: I did not see.

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01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yes, she was a number. Oh yes, did

1747
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 2: you get a picture?

1748
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 5: I grabbed a video. So it was interesting.

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Speaker 8: So like the job that I do in some of

1750
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 8: these international games, I'm like the sideline host, and so

1751
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 8: we're pretty heavy pregame.

1752
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,600
Speaker 5: So we're doing hits every three four minutes, and like

1753
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:39,680
Speaker 5: we had just finished.

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01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,919
Speaker 8: Right before the national anthem, because obviously everybody did commercial

1755
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 8: break and they come right back. So we just finished

1756
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Speaker 8: and they announced Katerina vent you know, gold medalists from Germany.

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Speaker 5: They were saying him in German, of course, but I

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01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 5: saw it. I was like, oh my gosh.

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01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 8: I got so excited, and unfortunately nobody the other people

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01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 8: that I was working with were as excited as me

1761
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 8: or realized like greatness that was in front of them.

1762
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 8: And unfortunately, right after she did the coin flip. As

1763
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 8: she was walking off, I was going to like run

1764
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 8: over and try to get a picture like a little

1765
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 8: super boyfriend. But we had another hit, so I wasn't

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01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 8: willing to get fired quite yet in that moment. Maybe

1767
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 8: covering event in nineteen ninety I would have, but the

1768
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 8: twenty twenty five version, I was willing to keep my

1769
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 8: job and just you know, take a video from a

1770
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Speaker 8: far and be a fan.

1771
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 3: It was one hundred and ten miles an hour painting

1772
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,719
Speaker 3: the black of the home plate her and Tamba.

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01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 2: Come on, come on, I mean that was what a

1774
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 2: time alive? What a time to be alive in Calgary.

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Speaker 8: Yes, to save any of the seed stock, you know,

1776
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 8: as a cattleman, you know Hall of fame, d transfer

1777
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 8: and artificial insemination and you know, trying to make that

1778
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 8: super cattle.

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Speaker 5: So hopefully they saved some of the seed stock and

1780
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,560
Speaker 5: we can you know, recreate the greatness they could have

1781
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Speaker 5: been had to have some children.

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Speaker 3: Unbelievable, Yes, indeed, incredible effort at off. Thanks for your time.

1783
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:03,719
Speaker 2: What a treat, all right, guys.

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01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 5: Thanks, thanks for bringing the smile on my face.

1785
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Speaker 8: Guys, Well, we'll talk to you tomorrow after SEP for

1786
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 8: like eighteen hours.

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01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 2: Yes, lumber, the great Hoff and the Joe Thomas half

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01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 2: hour of the program. Is that was great? I did

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01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 2: not see the category events stuff. Oh yeah yeah, oh

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Speaker 2: yeah yeah.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 3: is safety Ronnie Hickman.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Ronnie, just wondering. I mean, you went out there,

1808
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:23,799
Speaker 9: you made a big play for the team, yesterday, Justin's

1809
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,560
Speaker 9: first interception of the season and then you guys capitalize

1810
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 9: on it. How frustrating for you that you guys weren't

1811
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 9: able to close out that game and finish it out

1812
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Speaker 9: and get the win.

1813
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 10: Yess tough, you know, especially when you when you cut

1814
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 10: the tape on and you kind of see those mistakes

1815
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 10: are you know, very self inflicting and things that you

1816
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 10: know we can you know, we could have done better

1817
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 10: at so I was very frustrated, but you know, you

1818
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 10: got to move on.

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Speaker 11: Hey, Ronnie, amid all of these struggles that the team

1820
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 11: has had on in whatever phase it may be, like,

1821
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 11: how how are you guys as an entire unit, not

1822
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 11: just defense and offense special teams, How are you guys

1823
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:05,719
Speaker 11: as a full team getting yourselves through these struggles trying

1824
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 11: to make sure that locker room doesn't spiral, but in

1825
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 11: the case of so many teams that it can.

1826
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Speaker 10: I think it's just a test to the bond we have,

1827
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Speaker 10: as you know, as teammates in this locker room, and

1828
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 10: you know everyone in this building. You know, Coachlefanski preaches

1829
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 10: about family and and you know, you know, we take

1830
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 10: that to heart, whether that's good and bad.

1831
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:23,839
Speaker 5: Wins and losses.

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Speaker 10: So you know the conversations, Uh, they're going to be tough,

1833
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 10: but it you know, as a family, you know you're

1834
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:30,640
Speaker 10: going to have those moments and we just got to

1835
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 10: learn from it and get better.

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Speaker 11: Does it feel like for you like there's enough going

1837
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 11: on in the week, enough maybe adjustments and changes before

1838
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 11: the game that can create change and it's just not

1839
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 11: going your way, or like does there need to be

1840
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 11: more change in a week before a game to get

1841
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 11: that action on the field.

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Speaker 5: I think we had a great week of practice.

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01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 10: I think guys were locked in and on both sides

1844
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 10: of the wall, offense and defense, I felt like there

1845
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,679
Speaker 10: was energy. I thought we came out of the bye week,

1846
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 10: you know, you know, on the same page as a team, team,

1847
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,879
Speaker 10: as a whole unit. It just comes down to executing

1848
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 10: on Sunday and then you know those self inflicting you know,

1849
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 10: plays that will cast you in the end.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Ronnie, Hey Ronnie.

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Speaker 12: I know the defense came off the field after those

1852
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 12: first three plays. You force the three and out and

1853
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 12: you guys score, and then the next time you go

1854
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 12: on the field it's a fourteen to seven deficit because

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01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,560
Speaker 12: of the two special teams. Touchdowns. I guess what was

1856
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 12: happening with you guys as you go back out there

1857
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:32,879
Speaker 12: and suddenly you're trailing and it's a totally different situation.

1858
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 10: I think, you know, the sudden change thing. As a defense,

1859
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 10: you know, we've been able to grow throughout the years.

1860
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Speaker 10: But I know for us as a defense, our number

1861
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 10: one goal is to get the ball back to our offense.

1862
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 10: And I think we've improved as far as you know,

1863
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 10: those sudden changes where you're back on the field or

1864
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 10: the scoreboard changes drastically. As a defense, no matter what

1865
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 10: it is when they put that ball down, our main

1866
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 10: job is to get the ball backs to the offense.

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Speaker 12: And I know, like special teams, Bubba has been like

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01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 12: such a focus. It seems like from the outside, Kevin

1869
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 12: talked about still believing in him and what everyone can

1870
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Speaker 12: do on special teams. I guess for players, like what

1871
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 12: has that been like and that relationship with him?

1872
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,719
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, Bubba, you know, he's a great special

1873
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 10: team coach and he's very passionate. I think if you

1874
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 10: ask anyone in the building and always been around him,

1875
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 10: you know he cares, you know, not just about you know,

1876
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 10: the special teams, but you know just about the guys

1877
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:27,680
Speaker 10: in this locker room and the guys that you know

1878
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 10: that play for him in this organization. So you know,

1879
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 10: it's all us as players to go out there and.

1880
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 5: You know and do our job. Hey, Ronnie, I wanted

1881
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 5: to follow up with that about Bubba.

1882
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Speaker 13: So after a game like yesterday when he give up

1883
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 13: to two kick returns for a touch on, what is

1884
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 13: Bubba like, you know, on the sideline after the game

1885
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 13: or even today in the meetings?

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Speaker 10: I mean, he's coaching, He's going over corrections and he's coaching.

1887
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 5: Does he?

1888
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 13: I mean Kevin earlier said that he has a ton

1889
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Speaker 13: of faith in Bubba, Like, does yours ever get shaken

1890
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 13: when there's a game like that? We're special teams is

1891
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 13: a big part of a loss.

1892
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 10: Now, it's not really my job to be, you know,

1893
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 10: being shaky about about a coaching position or whatever you yeah,

1894
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 10: trying to get at. But you know, you know, Bubba's

1895
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 10: our coach, and you know he coaches us throughout the

1896
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 10: week hard. He puts us in good positions.

1897
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 5: And that's that.

1898
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 8: Sorry.

1899
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 12: I couldn't get my hand raised fast enough, Jordan, Ronnie,

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01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 12: I just wanted to ask about Carson because it just

1901
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,759
Speaker 12: seems like he's been playing so well for a rookie,

1902
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 12: and Kevin today said he had Wolverine blood for going

1903
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 12: out there and fighting through the high ankles, brain and

1904
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 12: just from from your perspective in that defense, in the

1905
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 12: back of that defense, watching what he does. How much

1906
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 12: has he made an impact in his first year with

1907
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 12: you guys?

1908
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you guys see it.

1909
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 10: I think you know, everyone's watching the game can see

1910
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 10: the type of impact to play it like that has.

1911
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 5: So it's just been great.

1912
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 10: You know, he's a he's a young guy, but able

1913
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 10: to impact the game and you know, such a tremendous way.

1914
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 10: And you know, for him to come back after you know,

1915
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 10: the little injury had and still extremely productive and making

1916
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 10: plays for us, it's huge and just a testament to

1917
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 10: you know, the type of player is and you know

1918
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 10: how much he wanted to be back out there with

1919
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 10: his guys.

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01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 12: All right, thanks Ronnie, appreciate it.

1921
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 5: Thank you.

1922
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 3: All right, time for that Microsoft been presented by Microsoft

1923
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 3: Microsoft Surface Copilot plus PC for our final thoughts on

1924
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 3: the game against the Jets.

1925
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:22,799
Speaker 2: Doc Disease.

1926
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just to look, at the end of the day,

1927
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 4: the Browns just have to be better, right, You've got

1928
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 4: to be better in terms of your discipline, not jumping

1929
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,640
Speaker 4: off sides in a situation that single hand. You know

1930
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 4: that ends the game when you do.

1931
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 9: So.

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Speaker 4: You've got to be better on special teams. Not allowing

1933
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 4: catastrophic plays. I don't think that we're asking too much, right,

1934
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 4: Just don't allow catastrophic plays on special teams.

1935
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 3: That's really forgetting me new. Not have catastrophic plays there. Offensive,

1936
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 3: we just have to be better.

1937
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 2: We got to do more.

1938
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 4: We've got to get the ball down the field. We've

1939
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 4: got to create running links for Quinchwn Jenkins, all of it.

1940
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 4: You know you're two and seven because we have not

1941
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 4: consistently been good on offense. The defense has been better

1942
01:27:58,080 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 4: at home than it's been on the road, and on

1943
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 4: the road it's really been good for a half three

1944
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 4: quarters and then eventually it's just like, okay, this is enough.

1945
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 4: But the defense has been good enough for this to

1946
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 4: be a team that is contending for the AFC North

1947
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 4: Division title. It's the offense and special teams have not

1948
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 4: and that's why we are where we are, and we've

1949
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 4: got to get this offense going. We've got to get

1950
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 4: the quarterback position going. And you know, if not, we

1951
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 4: have to explore a great many things.

1952
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 2: Right, That's it.

1953
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:28,600
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the bottom line po this offense. It

1954
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 4: was great to see Jerry Judy get involved more of that.

1955
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 4: We've got to find ways to make explosives. And it's

1956
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 4: easier said than done, obviously, because if it was easy,

1957
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Speaker 4: it would be done already. I mean, everybody knows that. Unfortunately,

1958
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Speaker 4: these games have an all too familiar feel, and I'm

1959
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Speaker 4: just hoping over the final eight games, which is still

1960
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Speaker 4: a lot of football to be played, that we can

1961
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Speaker 4: find some kind of a spark offensively.

1962
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the way that this team was built offensively

1963
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Speaker 3: was never going to be a team that could overcome

1964
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Speaker 3: this type of calamity on special teams, in this type

1965
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Speaker 3: of lack of discipline, right, I mean, you just you

1966
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Speaker 3: weren't going to be able to overcome that. You don't

1967
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Speaker 3: have you have the Bengals offense, you don't have the

1968
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Speaker 3: Seahawks offense. So you have to play perfect in those

1969
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Speaker 3: other areas to have success, and right now we're just not.

1970
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1972
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1973
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1974
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1975
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1976
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Speaker 3: Heed to Meyers Scan the Hillshire Farms QR. Come the

1977
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Speaker 3: meat departments November eleventh for a chance to win a

1978
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Speaker 3: suite for ten to the Steelers game on December twenty eighth.

1979
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Speaker 3: Speaking of the Steelers, a Sante Samuel Junior signing with

1980
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Speaker 3: the Steelers today. He had the injury and went on

1981
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Speaker 3: a little tour. They needed some help. Jan Thornhill was

1982
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Speaker 3: cut earlier today. Obviously don't play the same position. But

1983
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Speaker 3: now free agent corner Sante Samuel Junior joins Pittsburgh's back end.

1984
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Speaker 2: So that happened here.

1985
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Speaker 3: Other big news in the NFL, Tunn done for the

1986
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Speaker 3: year with surgery. So those are kind of the big

1987
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Speaker 3: deals of the day in the National Football League. Join

1988
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Speaker 3: Zi and Gerad Thursday night seven eight for the Kevin

1989
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Speaker 3: Stefanski Show live from MGM Northfield Park. Meet Brown's wide

1990
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Speaker 3: receiver Gage Larvinen, who will be signing Autogress during the show.

1991
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1992
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1993
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Speaker 3: We're back tomorrow.

1994
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1995
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