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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome to The Houndation's podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson, and today I am speaking with meat Eaters

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Speaker 1: very own Brent Reeves about how to pick the perfect puppy.

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Speaker 1: So this is going to be kind of a cool

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Speaker 1: new thing we're trying out here. We've been messing around

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Speaker 1: doing a little bit of interview based podcasts and it's

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Speaker 1: time to go pretty deep with some guests who have

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Speaker 1: a lot of cool stuff to stay.

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Speaker 2: So today I've got the host.

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Speaker 1: Of this country life meat Eaters, Brent Reeves, huge into dogs,

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Speaker 1: He's trained retrievers in the past, been a duck guide,

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Speaker 1: and he is ate up with raccoon hunting, a hound guy.

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Speaker 1: Just really interesting perspective, and he has a cool story

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Speaker 1: to tell about getting his current puppy, which is what

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into. But we're going to do

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Speaker 1: a heck of a lot more than that. We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about really what everyone should consider when they're

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Speaker 1: in the market for a puppy and how do you

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Speaker 1: go find that perfect puff for you. This episode of

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Speaker 2: Shields has you covered.

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Speaker 1: Check out their offerings at Shields dot com. Brent Reeves, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: I have never been more excited to talk to a guest.

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Speaker 2: In my life. Really well, I must be your first one.

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Speaker 1: No, I have done hundreds of these. We're sitting down

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Speaker 1: here in Arkansas at Duck Camp. Man, it feels like

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Speaker 1: the kind of place where we should be talking about dogs.

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Speaker 1: You've got a couple of them out there in the

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Speaker 1: kennel and your world. You know, we've spent a couple

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Speaker 1: of nights running around the Arkansas woods with head lamps

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Speaker 1: with your buddy Michael, looking for some raccoons and watching

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Speaker 1: these hounds. And you have two dogs here, Whaling and Jesse,

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Speaker 1: and Whaling is the man. Oh yeah, And the story

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Speaker 1: of Jesse, the pup starts with him, actually starts before him.

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Speaker 1: So let's get into that, like where did where did

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Speaker 1: you get this dog? And how'd that come to be?

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Speaker 3: You know, I coon hunted as a child, and grew.

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Speaker 3: It's been in my family, and then my careers in

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Speaker 3: law enforcement did not allow me the time to dedicate

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Speaker 3: long time during my professional career, and towards the end

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Speaker 3: dedicate to it. So I started looking. You know, I

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Speaker 3: told my wife Alexis we're getting a dog. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: dog and start coon hunting again. So I started looking,

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Speaker 3: and I looked on the internet. I looked. I talked

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Speaker 3: to people that coon hunted, my friends at coon hunting.

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Speaker 3: All this this time I had coon hunted with them,

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Speaker 3: you know, but I was just going with folks that

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Speaker 3: the guys that I hunted with, I talked to them about, man,

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Speaker 3: if you hear of a dog, you know, I'm looking.

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Speaker 3: So that went on for six months. I called people

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Speaker 3: I don't know fifty people during that six months and

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Speaker 3: looked at pictures of different dogs, but none of them

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Speaker 1: So hold on, when you say that, are you talking

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Speaker 1: some kind of intangible where you're like, I just needed

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Speaker 3: Something that jumped out to you know, I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: So what makes a what does that for you? I

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Speaker 3: I can't because I could save myself. And if I

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Speaker 1: I can't so when you when you talk about that,

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Speaker 1: Not our jam uh, but my current pup, my four

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Speaker 2: She's the younger dog. I know exactly what you mean.

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Speaker 1: I was doing some stuff with Tom dowk and and

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Speaker 3: It just popped up on my feed and I looked

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Speaker 2: And I've said it before.

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Speaker 3: You know, you can any kind of dog will bark

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Speaker 3: The conditions the dog were in were not part with

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Speaker 3: I can get my money back at it, because it's

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Speaker 3: his name is Whaling. It's like some old singer or something.

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Speaker 2: Just some random old say, some old, random old singer,

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Speaker 3: Well that that had a nerve with me right there,

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Speaker 3: Which is a risk you take because if if Whalen

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Speaker 3: has no idea of what his just because he's a

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Speaker 3: coon a coon hound, that don't make him a coon dog.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's there's football players and then there's people

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Speaker 3: that's the analogy that's always used. So you run the

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Speaker 3: And it was just very fortuitive that he worked out

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean you, I was pretty lucky guy. I

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Speaker 3: looking at his papers. I've been out of that game

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Speaker 3: and I'm in my driveway. I'm cleaning out a guy

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Speaker 3: He said, are you a coon hunter or a duck hunter?

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Speaker 1: You bring up something that's that's pretty important there. You know,

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Speaker 3: across a coon, you know, that's I can. He said,

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00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 3: you can. There's a million things you can teach a

433
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 3: dog to do, but drive ain't one of them. So

434
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 3: that's the first thing that we were looking at, and

435
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 3: he had that from the get go.

436
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 2: He wanted to pursue.

437
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 3: He wanted to chase that natural prey instinct, that that

438
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 3: genetic code that they can't fight that if it's in

439
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 3: there in the right spot, they're going to go when

440
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 3: you cut them loose.

441
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 2: And he did that from the very beginning.

442
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 3: It was an absolute lottery win for me, yep, because

443
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 3: it was the easiest thing I.

444
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 2: Ever did, was just get out there and let him go.

445
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 3: And that was that was a lesson that that I

446
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 3: learned from Rex from the get go that I've heard

447
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 3: everybody says since and then I will testify to it

448
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 3: as well, is that if a dog has desire, then

449
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 3: you can there's something that.

450
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: You can work with. Yeah, drives real important, Yeah, but

451
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 2: you also talk.

452
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: I kind of want to clear this up because you

453
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: kind of you kind of joke about like not really

454
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: training him, just sort of facilitating the environments in which

455
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: he goes and haunts and develops himself.

456
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 2: But there's also a million things that you have trained

457
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: him on.

458
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 1: Ohy, that that dog gets into a crate here or there.

459
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: That dog does a lot of stuff. And this is

460
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: this is something that you know, especially people who aren't

461
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: like they're kind of getting into hunting dogs or maybe

462
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: haven't run through a few of them. It's like, I

463
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 1: got to teach this dog to hunt. Like you don't

464
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: have to teach that dog to You have to teach

465
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: that dog how to behave when you're hunting. There you

466
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: go because they you know, you take you take my pups,

467
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: and that first exposure to a wing, they lose their minds.

468
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just in them. And you know we've

469
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: all seen that and that dog. You put that dog

470
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: into the crp and a pheasant ran in front of it,

471
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: It's most likely going that direction till that bird comes up.

472
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 1: But you don't need it four hundred yards out, you know,

473
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty yards pass where you can shoot

474
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 1: whatever you need that dog, the recall, the you know, coursing,

475
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 1: the ranging, all that stuff. You're training it to behave

476
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: in a way that's kind of unnatural while it's doing

477
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: the most natural thing in the world, which is hunting.

478
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 3: You know, and I say this forever. It's prey drive

479
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 3: that that you're taking advantage of on a coon dog.

480
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 3: And the last thing pray a predator wants to do

481
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 3: when it's chasing prey is make noise. But you look

482
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 3: for the characteristics and a dog while he's chasing that

483
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 3: his prey to make racket, which is you know, if

484
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: predators make racket when they're chasing prey, they don't go,

485
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 3: they don't eat that night. So you're taking advantage of

486
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 3: something and adding actually a fault. There's a fault in

487
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 3: there that you're taking advantage of. And this predator making

488
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 3: noise while he's chasing the prey, and if he does

489
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: that correctly, you can keep up with him. This is

490
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 3: before trackers, you know, and satellite collars and all that

491
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. You're having to listen to this dog

492
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 3: go down through the woods and he's barking, and then

493
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 3: when he gets to a tree, he changes over to

494
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: a locate bark, a big long bark or a series

495
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 3: of chops, something that will let you know. It's called

496
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 3: a locate bark because he is letting you know, this

497
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 3: is where I'm at, this is my location. I've got

498
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 3: him up a tree, you know, come over here, and

499
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 3: then that dog will set there and bark until you

500
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 3: get there. And when you get there, he's don't get

501
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 3: to eat the coon. He doesn't get the eat what

502
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 3: he has instinctively ran through the woods to try to catch.

503
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 3: And all he's there for is your praise and affection

504
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 3: of you did a good job. Now let's go get

505
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 3: another one. So there's there is a lot of training

506
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 3: that goes in there. It's just exacerbated and a whole

507
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 3: lot easier if you just take advantage of the natural ability.

508
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: Right well, and that's I mean acknowledging that I mean,

509
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: and that's puppy stage on is you know, I think

510
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: a really easy way to frame that up is you

511
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: you are asking this creature to do something unnatural. So

512
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: one of the things that you know, we've talked about,

513
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: recall you and I've been talking about it this whole

514
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: this whole trip, because you're you're cutting these dogs loose

515
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: and they might be seven hundred yards out. You might

516
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: need to get them back for some reason. And recall

517
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 1: and steadiness with hunting dogs, big problem, right, because that

518
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: dog naturally doesn't want to come back to you when

519
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: it's out doing the thing that it lives for. No,

520
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: just like a dog naturally doesn't want to sit in

521
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: a duck blind when the duck's fall is yeah, right

522
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: next to you, waiting for somebody else to give it

523
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: permission to do the thing it is dying to do.

524
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: But those are the things that make a good bird dog,

525
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, as long as as long as

526
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: that drives there, and as long as the natural tendency

527
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: is there, then you're like, Okay, now I have to

528
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: ask this thing that I can't. I can communicate with,

529
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 1: but I can't just say, hey, I need you to

530
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: do this. I need you to do something very unnatural,

531
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: and I need you to do it over and over

532
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: and over and over again, no matter how many guns

533
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: go off, no matter how many green heads hit the water,

534
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: no matter what. And that's a that's hard, like, that's

535
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: a hard thing to train in and that takes time.

536
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: Well, yes, that's what I'm talking about.

537
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 3: The time that it takes to go from bringing that

538
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 3: dog in the house to your petting them under the

539
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 3: tree for treeing a coon, or bringing that pup into

540
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: the house to the point that he or she brings

541
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 3: you back and sits besides you until you take that

542
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 3: duck away from its mouth. There's a long and winding

543
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: road between start and stop, and really there's no stop,

544
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 3: there's no finish wailing is I'm training him or correcting

545
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: him every time we go, I mean every time from

546
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 3: it all began with feeding him on at the in

547
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 3: the yard, getting him to come to me when I

548
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: wanted him to come to me, putting him on the tailgate,

549
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: getting him to go in the box when I commanded

550
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 3: him to go in there, wait till I tell him

551
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 3: to come out. There's so many things that go before

552
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: having a dog that is getting the reward and you

553
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 3: petting him when he's standing under that tree and there's

554
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 3: a coon up there. It's a whole lot goes into it,

555
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 3: and it's just a repetition every day of the of

556
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 3: the things that he gets the reward for. Within the

557
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 3: reward is you know, a pet on the head or

558
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: a rub on his ribs.

559
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: Right and it's impossible, it's really impossible to sit here

560
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: and talk about it and contextualize it in a way

561
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: that makes sense when you're talking about you know, really

562
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: really intensive training for a couple of years with a

563
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 1: lot of dogs and then sort of maintenance, kind of

564
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: keep it polished, work the rest of their lives. But

565
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: when you go back to you know, not only picking

566
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: a pup based on seeing something that you just like

567
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: and it works with you, you know, getting into the bloodlines,

568
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: getting into the pedigree, you're literally looking for a dog

569
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: not only that's going to have those that prey drive

570
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: to the nth degree, but you're also looking for lines

571
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: of dogs that know how to solve problems, lines of

572
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: dogs that have proven they can work with somebody in

573
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: a way where they're worth bringing back to the table

574
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: and getting another litter out of. And I think, you know,

575
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: I think that that's kind of a hard thing for people.

576
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: We sort of look at you know, we'll look at

577
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: German short hairs and we're.

578
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: Like, well, they're all like this.

579
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: They love birds, they love to point their hygh dry,

580
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: they're fun, they're goofy whatever, and it's like, man, they're individuals,

581
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: and you could have one just like kids that really

582
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: struggles to learn, really struggles to build confidence, whatever, and

583
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: just has a tougher go of it just generally, or

584
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: you can go find that bloodline where it's like there's

585
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: a reason these dogs have been bred. You know this

586
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: dog to this dog, this dog to this dog, this

587
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: litter whatever. And a huge component of it we don't

588
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: talk about a lot is intelligence and problem solving, and

589
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: those things make that journey we're talking about not only

590
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: just easier, which is great, that would be reason enough,

591
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: but it makes it a hell of a lot more

592
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: fun when you have something that that's you know, pretty

593
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: quick to learn and pretty quick to pick up on

594
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: stuff where you go to that new environment and they're like, okay,

595
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: well I know this drill, but I've never done it here,

596
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: and they just like work through it. It's like, okay,

597
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: we got that one, boss, what's next. That kind of

598
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: dog is a huge reason why those bloodlines and understanding

599
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: those petters are so important.

600
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we every I'm not a competition hunter.

601
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: I support competition hunting. Michael is pretty successful in it.

602
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: He's had some really good dogs in it before. He's

603
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 3: got one now that's doing really well. But as a

604
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 3: pleasure hunter and all the pleasure hunters, I know, where

605
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: do we get our dogs from?

606
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: The competition guys, right.

607
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: So it's everything that is that is selected and selectively

608
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: bred to produce the dogs that we have today or

609
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: all the.

610
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: Even the pleasure hunters. That's where we get them from, right.

611
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: And you know, over the last one hundred and fifty years,

612
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: coon dogs have gone from pack animals to independent dogs.

613
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: And you know, wolves hunting a pack where all our

614
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: dogs came from now, So that's something that has been

615
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: bred away from them. Like I talked about finding a

616
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: fault to begin with, a dog that would hunt by

617
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 3: itself back in the day was no good, you know,

618
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: but that has been taking advantage of because now you know,

619
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: hunting for food, you're hunting it at food.

620
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: Really, So.

621
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: Regardless of your end goal, whether it's to be a

622
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 3: world champion coon hunter or just a world champion weekend guy,

623
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: we're all getting those dogs from the same pool. And

624
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: understanding what each dog does, what each bloodline, the characteristics

625
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: it carries over one and another, is going to be

626
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: a lot easier to find a dog that's gambling, you know,

627
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: or would have a higher percentage of fitting what fits you, right,

628
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: And that's research and talking to people, you know.

629
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: And I mean these folks are doing it for a business.

630
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 3: And I have found no easier people to talk to

631
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: than dog people, because I can be a policeman or

632
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 3: carpenter or astronaut, whatever, but we've all got that.

633
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: Common thing about dog.

634
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: And when you're talking back and forth to people, I've

635
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: found that the large majority of them, they'll tell you

636
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: exactly what it is what a dog's looking at, and

637
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: give you the opportunity to see for yourself, right.

638
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: And that's very important for me, big time. And you

639
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: brought up a really good point there. But the competition thing,

640
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I'm certain a lot of people

641
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: listening to this had no idea there was raccoon coon

642
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: hunt and competition. Yeah, And on kind of my side

643
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: of this thing are the field trialers and the hunt

644
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: test and crowd, which I don't have. I think it's cool.

645
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: I have no interest in competing in it. But our

646
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: dogs are coming from those lines too, or my dogs are.

647
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: And you know, people will say I don't need a

648
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: field trial dog. I mean it's essentially to a lot

649
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: of you know, a lot of people, that's like a

650
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: signal that you're going to get a dog it's unmanageable,

651
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: way too high drive. There's there's sort of a stigma

652
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: attached to it, and it's like, but those those are

653
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: the lines that have proven not not only what they

654
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: can do and what they're capable of in the hands

655
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: of somebody who knows what they're doing. But that's like

656
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: ahead your bet kind of thing when you don't know

657
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: as much as a pro trainer, you don't know as

658
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: much about somebody who's training one up to the level

659
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: to run it through the field trial circuit or whatever,

660
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: and you also have an undeniable aspect of health there.

661
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: And so people will say, you know, well, I'm gonna

662
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: get this dog because it's AKC or it's peer bread

663
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: and you're like, that doesn't I know that. For a

664
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: long time we kind of use that as sort of

665
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: a standard, right, like that that means something. Now, what

666
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: it means is it's just a peer bread dog. And

667
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: if you need a purpose bread dog, now you can

668
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: get a Golden Retriever that has nothing there hardly you know,

669
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: or you can go get a field bread golden that

670
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: will hunt just like the best lab just like whatever.

671
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: There's still golden retrievers, there's still peer bread, you can

672
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: AKC register them yep. And so there's a there's sort

673
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: of a maybe a knowledge gap. There maybe some misconceptions

674
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: about it where, yeah, you don't need a dog that

675
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: comes out of uh, you know, a line where they

676
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: got a million ribbons stacked up and they've won field

677
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: trials all across the country, national champions whatever. But at

678
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: the same time, those dogs that come out of those

679
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: lines and are bred from those dogs are going to

680
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: be They're they're generally going to.

681
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 3: Be You're pretty good. You're kind of heads in your bed,

682
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: right do that? You know, because it's an investment, and

683
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: it's a long term investment. It's a gamble that that

684
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 3: you're paying for right now that it's not if you're

685
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 3: getting a puppy, it's not going to pay.

686
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: Off as far as the coon hunting goes.

687
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 3: I'm getting him at eight weeks old, and I'm looking

688
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 3: at months maybe a year before.

689
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,479
Speaker 2: He used to be two years old.

690
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 3: Back back in the day when my dad was a kid.

691
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: It was my first coon dog I got. He said,

692
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: you know, son, you're you're getting a puppy or we

693
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: can work. You can work and save up your money

694
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: and buy a dog. Somebody's already got started, he said,

695
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 3: because that dog is going to be eighteen months old

696
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 3: before you find not whether he's going to be good

697
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: or not. And that used to be the standard. But

698
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: you know, things change now. You know people are good

699
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 3: or bad. They're treeing earlier now and they're getting more

700
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: pressure putting on them. But they're bread to do that.

701
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: But going back to what I was saying, you pay

702
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 3: six hundred dollars for a coon dog puppy, which is

703
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 3: very easy to do, plus twice that or more. You're

704
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 3: hedging your bet because of the value of a dog's

705
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: value from the historical standpoint to know that when you

706
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: get to that ten, eleven, twelve, and fourteen month old stage,

707
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 3: that you've got something there, a good, good thing to

708
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: start working with. And it goes back to you talk

709
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: about health. You know, they're trying to breathe these dogs

710
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: to like for hips, you know, good hips, the same

711
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: thing with coon dogs without. They want them to be independent,

712
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 3: you know, healthy, quick learners, you know has some sense.

713
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: You know a dog.

714
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 3: There's always been an old misconception. You see cartoons of

715
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 3: gold coon hounds laying out in the yard, you know,

716
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: and they're lazy and they don't appear to have much sense.

717
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 3: And I've seen some of these dogs could be trained

718
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 3: to paint a barn if you just give my paint

719
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 3: brushing and open the can for them. So you're looking

720
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: for that from these breeders that are that are breeding

721
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: these dogs to be superior. They're just always trying to

722
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: graduate up, up, up up up, and in doing so

723
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 3: you may lose something here and lose something there, but

724
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 3: the vast majority of it, in my experience, is seeing

725
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: is the betterment of the breed, and to be able

726
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 3: to manip to manipulate, you know, this dog that I

727
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 3: may want to hunt this way, and you can get

728
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: one out of the litter and train it to hunt

729
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: the way you won't, you know, And just to be able.

730
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: To specialize that dog to fit.

731
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: The needs and the way you hunt right well right,

732
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: And when you're talking about that, one of the things

733
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: I thought about was, you know, I'm really not familiar

734
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: with the hound world all that.

735
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: Well, like what and I'm.

736
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: Going somewhere with this, Okay, it seems like there's a

737
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: low I haven't heard you guys talk about looks a

738
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: whole lot like appearance. It seems like this crowd, at

739
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 1: least your crowd is like very tuned into what's under

740
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: the hood and why that matters when you get into

741
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: a lot of upland up upland especially but waterfowl dogs

742
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: is some extent too. It's like, I want a red lab. Yeah,

743
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: I want a chocolate man, and that's priority.

744
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: I know exactly where you're going.

745
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 3: Some of these hounds look like homemade soap. They don't

746
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 3: favor a drink of water now. But it's very important

747
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 3: to me. But it's also, like I said before, one

748
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: man's trash is another man's treasure. But the shape and

749
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: the color is important to me. Some folks like a

750
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 3: lot of white on their hounds. And there there's a

751
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: line of dogs that have a lot of white that

752
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 3: look more like bird they're colored up, more like you know,

753
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 3: pointers than hounds. And you know, trycolored dogs. I like

754
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: them with the red or orange head, you know. And Jesse,

755
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 3: you see out there now, she's got black ears, but

756
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 3: every day that hair is turning red and will eventually

757
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 3: she'll have a red head, just like Whalingville out there.

758
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: And that's what appeals to me. But other folks, I know,

759
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: they'll have a dog.

760
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,479
Speaker 3: They'll pull out of a dog boxing, like, holy cow,

761
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 3: you know, I need some glasses.

762
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: That's the ugliest thing I've ever seen.

763
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 3: Then you cut them loose and there are three trees

764
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 3: ahead of everybody. So a lot of folks that's it's

765
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: just you know, it's a difference in forge and chevrolets. Right,

766
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: it's if looks are important or performance. And you know,

767
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 3: I'll show my wife a prime example. She's so biased

768
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: about whaling. I said, I'm going hunting with so and

769
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 3: sod them, and she's like, what kind of dog they have?

770
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: And I'll show a picture of them. She's they're not

771
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: as cute as.

772
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: Whaling, you know, but that that's very important to her

773
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 3: that her dog looks the prettiest of all out there.

774
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 3: You know, he may not be the best coon dog

775
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: out there, which is important to me. But I see

776
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 3: it more lean towards having a dog that will they

777
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 3: can cut loose and tree a.

778
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: Coon rather than win. You know, a bench show.

779
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: And there's a big there's a big bench show following

780
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 3: a big that's a big part of of coon. But

781
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 3: the folks that I run with you know, they'd rather

782
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: have look at a coon in a tree than than

783
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: a pretty dog on the tailgate.

784
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,959
Speaker 1: Well, and I mean, that's what I want to talk about,

785
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: is you're not buying You have your preference like everybody does.

786
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: But you're not buying a dog because it looks good.

787
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: You're not You're not buying a dog because of the

788
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: of its hair, Like you're buying a dog because of

789
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: what's underneath the hood.

790
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: And it's an easy thing. And I hear.

791
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: This, This is probably the the thing I hear about

792
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: more than anything when people talk to me about puppies

793
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: or why they got a certain dogs, Like I just

794
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: like the way they look. I like the way that

795
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, these wire hairs, beards look. I like, you know,

796
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: the way a red lab looks. And it's like, you know, whatever,

797
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: personal choice. But if you're shopping on color or sthetics first,

798
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: like you said, it's it's like when you go go

799
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: to buy a new truck, are you like, I just

800
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: want a red one? Like, oh, Dodge Chevy, what do

801
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: you want? V eight V six just gotta be red?

802
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: And it's like that's you have to understand, you know,

803
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 1: like you have a kid, you're not like, I hope

804
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: this kid looks good. You're like, I hope it's healthy.

805
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: You know, I hope it's smart and healthy and compassion

806
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. You're not like, I hope it's pretty,

807
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: you know. But with our dogs we can kind of

808
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: order up something. And there's there's you know, we have

809
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: access to so much information now where you can be

810
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: exposed to different dogs. And you know, we've been talking,

811
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 1: we've been making a bunch of jokes about French bulldogs

812
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: here and how how nuts over them people are. And

813
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: it's like, man, if you if you need a performance

814
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: driven dogs, if you're listening to this, you need a

815
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: dog that has a job. It's working dogs. Forty dog,

816
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: it's going to have a job. You know, the color

817
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: might matter later, it might be like a you know,

818
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: seventh down the list.

819
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: There is an old saying in coon Hunt. You know,

820
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: I like tree and walkers. Clay Newcomb likes plots for

821
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 3: some unknown reason who knows, but that that right there

822
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 3: is a prime example. The old saying is if it's

823
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: a good a good coon dog, the color has never

824
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 3: mattered on a good coon dog, right And it's so

825
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 3: it's the end goal is what you're after first, before

826
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: the esthetics, and if you can have what you like

827
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 3: and it'd be good, that's just a bonus.

828
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know this reminds me so three dogs ago,

829
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: I had a golden I had to put down at

830
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 1: six years old.

831
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: Taught me a real valuable lesson.

832
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: And at the time I had a year and a

833
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: half old daughters, two of them plural. So my wife

834
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 1: was like, do not get a dog. Don't bring a puppy.

835
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: This is not a situation. We need another dependent. And

836
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: she had offhandedly said to me at some point in

837
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: that whole process, when I knew lux was going downhill,

838
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: like I think chocolate Lab puppies are the cutest puppies ever.

839
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: So I had to put my dog down and I

840
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: was talking to Doc on the phone. I said, you know,

841
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: she likes chocolate Lab puppies and he's like, if you

842
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: want me to find you a puppy, I can find

843
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: you a puppy. And he said it probably won't be brown,

844
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: it'll probably be black, but it won't matter. And I

845
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: just impulsively said, find me a pup here's what I want.

846
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: And then I.

847
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: Walked on eggshells in that house because my wife was like,

848
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: do not, don't do this to us. You know, people

849
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: are listening to this and they're like, oh, I had

850
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: babies that you know. I had a five and three

851
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: year old at the same time. And I'm like, you

852
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: have no concept of what you're talking about. You shut

853
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: your mouth right now, because people do that to you

854
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: all the time. Oh, I basically raised twins. My kids

855
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: are four years apart. I'm like, you have I'm gonna

856
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: hand you to newborn babies.

857
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: Twins are different and your world's gonna what gaff I

858
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: can say.

859
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 3: It's like having kids, like drowning, somebody handing you a

860
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: glass of water.

861
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 2: Yep, having twins and be about the same thing.

862
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: It's a heavy lift when they're young, young, young. But

863
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: I needed a dog and it was April. So I

864
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: was like, if I get one now, I can train

865
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: it up and at least late seasons start getting it

866
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: out there, you know. But the window was closing. If

867
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: I waited too long, I was going to miss a

868
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: season without a dog. And so through this whole thing,

869
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: my wife knew. She's like, don't, don't do it, Like,

870
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: don't don't freaking do it, buddy. And Tom's calling me

871
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: and he's like, I think your dog's in Kentucky.

872
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 2: I think your dog's here. And I'm like, oh shit,

873
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: now I'm gonna have to drive.

874
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: A thousand miles, pay pay up for a dog because

875
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: it's going to be a good one. And he called

876
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: me and he said, your dog is in East Bethel,

877
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 1: which was twenty minutes away from me. And he said

878
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: there's a litter there. It's blacks and chocolates. You're not

879
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: gonna get one of the chocolates.

880
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: Whatever.

881
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: I needed a female or I wanted a female. He's

882
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: take your take your wife and your daughter's up there.

883
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: Go show him this litter. And he said you'll be fine.

884
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's and so I brought them there. Dude,

885
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: I brought those little girls up. They could barely walk

886
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: and there were I can't I think there were ten

887
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: pups in that litter. And as soon as that happened,

888
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: my wife wasn't even really that mad at me. And

889
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: I was like, this was just I just threw the

890
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 1: needle on this one. But it was at that point

891
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: to get a dog. I was like, I'll get a

892
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: brown one. I don't care. I just need one. And

893
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: Tom knew better and he's like the color will not

894
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: matter when when the litter's right and the litter was awesome.

895
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: I mean, she was.

896
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: She was the dog I needed at that point. Like

897
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: she she was. And I don't know if Tom knew this.

898
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: I don't know if Tom kind of instinctively understood this

899
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: about the kind of dog I needed. But she was

900
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: the kind of dog that didn't need tons of attention,

901
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: tons of love. She needed to work and so she

902
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: needed she needed to train, and I just, you know,

903
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: between having the girls and just a heavy travel schedule,

904
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: that dog got a tenth of the love that my

905
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: current four year old dog was getting at that age.

906
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: But she never really she was very independent and she

907
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: was like if you were if you picked up a bumper,

908
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: she was like, we are, We're just going And she

909
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: was the right thing.

910
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 2: And I guess something that you need to absolutely because.

911
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: I didn't have I needed to get a lot out

912
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: of that dog with a limited amount of time I had.

913
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that was just I'm just

914
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: revisionous history here and I'm filling in the blanks, or

915
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: if that's really like something that he kind of instinctively knew.

916
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 2: But it just worked out. But it was.

917
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: It was an experience and it really kind of taught

918
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: me like, I don't I don't care what they look like. Really,

919
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: I care about what they're bringing to the table because

920
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: I I just want something that is going to turn

921
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: out in spite of me, you know, like I want

922
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: something that is going like I would have to try

923
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: hard to screw that dog up. Beyond some of the things,

924
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: you know, the gunfirewater introduction that you could screw up

925
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: and really ruin them, just the general development of that dog.

926
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: That dog is going to develop through all of my mistakes.

927
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 3: Man, I've said that forever about Whitelum, that he might

928
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: he turned into a really good coon dog despite all

929
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: of my efforts. You know, he really did it, and

930
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: he It's interesting you said about getting a dog at

931
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 3: the right time. The day I went and picked up

932
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 3: that dog was March the thirteenth of twenty twenty. The

933
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 3: next day is when all everything broke loose and they

934
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: shut the school down. Bailey was in the second grade

935
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 3: and we were there at home and we had this

936
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 3: new dog, and that filled such a huge gap. But

937
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 3: it also was kind of intimidating because I know this

938
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: dog is here forever. You know, I'm either going to

939
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 3: be having to get another coon dog and just feeding

940
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 3: this clown with it, or you know, we're gonna all

941
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: bets are off.

942
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: We're just going to focus on making this thing the

943
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: right way.

944
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 3: And it was just such a perfect fit that he

945
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:46,959
Speaker 3: turned into what he did.

946
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 2: I through a lot of effort in a lot of miles.

947
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: You know. It was.

948
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 3: Bailey was home, Alexis was working from home, I was

949
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: working from home. So at night they'd go to bed.

950
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 3: Nearly every night we'd hit the woods, and it just

951
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 3: got to be that routine. It may not be for

952
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 3: an hour, two hours, it might be three hours, but

953
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 3: it was repetition all the time. And last October, Austin

954
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 3: Clever at Old Chili works at Me either came down

955
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 3: here and we did a podcast down here, and I

956
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 3: took him coon hunting for the first time. And it

957
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 3: is he and he and I and Michael were hunting

958
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 3: and his first coonhut and Chili had ever been on.

959
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 3: And we knocked the coon out, bring back the skin

960
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 3: it and he's like, man, he said, these coons are cool.

961
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: I get it, I get why, or I see this

962
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: is fun. You know what y'all are doing from start

963
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 3: to finish. He said, but what is the deal with

964
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 3: the coons? Why is the coon such a focus for

965
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: you guys down here? And Michael just immediately, just like that,

966
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: he said, Man, it ain't about the coon.

967
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: It's about those dogs.

968
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: And you kind of see the light and I had

969
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 3: never really thought of it that way, but as one

970
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: hundred percent the light.

971
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: Bulb went above off above my.

972
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 3: Head, just like it did Chili's when he said that,

973
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 3: and he's and he said, oh, I get it. And

974
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 3: Michael said, you know, it could be a bobcat, could

975
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 3: be a fox. He could be a possum. But it

976
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 3: is the relationship that you build with this dog that

977
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: when you feel confident when you get to where you're going.

978
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 3: I never go anywhere that I turn my dog loose

979
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: and I'm not confident he has the best chance of

980
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 3: anything to triger coon before I get back. And you

981
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: do the same thing with you when you cut your

982
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,959
Speaker 3: dogs loose for pheasants. You're not gonna turn it loose

983
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: without thinking. If he's out there, this dog will find

984
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 3: it right, you know. And that is such a bond.

985
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 3: And when they do it, it just it's just such

986
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 3: a bond. It just strengthened that bond, strengthens that bond,

987
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 3: and it's just there ain't a better feeling to me

988
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: than doing that and sharing that with somebody.

989
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: Right, And that's you bring up a really good point there.

990
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: So I've been thinking about this a lot down here,

991
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: because you know my interest. I've been on some coon

992
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: hunts in the past, and I've been around hounds, not

993
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: a lot, but some, and it is not I was

994
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: thinking about it. I'm like, it doesn't appeal to me

995
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: the same way as you know, chasing grosse, woodcock whatever, ducks,

996
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: any birds. But I was thinking about this last night

997
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: when we were leaving the woods and riding that side

998
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: by side listen to Michael talk, and I thought, you know,

999
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: if the quail population here was like it was sixty

1000
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: years ago, some of these guys would be running pointers

1001
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: and they'd be doing a They would be going just

1002
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: as hard but in a different direction. And then I thought,

1003
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: if I lived here, I'd have to have a dog

1004
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: doing something. So then I was like, I'd be a

1005
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 1: coon hunter, or i'd you know, ducks whatever. There would

1006
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: be something where the location I was in would just

1007
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: kind of dictate what kind of dog and what kind

1008
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: of direction I went. And then you know, I thought

1009
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: about it, and I was like, well, the whole reason

1010
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: I started duck hunting was because I had a bird dog,

1011
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: had a retriever, and I was living in the suburbs

1012
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: of the Twin Cities for the first time in my life,

1013
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I have no access to any wild birds.

1014
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: I figured out the woodcock thing a little bit later

1015
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: when they migrated through, but trying to find places to

1016
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: hunt deer, you know, on chunks of public land up

1017
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: there where we got a lot of water, and I'd be,

1018
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, out there glassing and I'm like, okay, there's

1019
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, make no to wood ducks on the pond

1020
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: or whatever. Never really hunted ducks ever. And then you

1021
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: sit there and think about it and go, well, this

1022
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: is what I have and I never I had always

1023
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: to that point it intentionally avoided duck hunting because I'm

1024
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: the kind of guy who I'm like, if I go,

1025
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: if I start duck hunting, I might be like a

1026
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: duck hunter, like that might be it, you know, and

1027
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't have the I don't have the

1028
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: bandwidth for that, you know. I was the bow hunting

1029
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: thing ate up so much of my time. But when

1030
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: you're sitting there, you're like, oh, I I could probably

1031
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: figure this out a little bit. And for several years

1032
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: with that dog, most of the bird hunting I did

1033
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: was you know, kind of small water ducks, figuring it

1034
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: out with her because that's what I had. And I'll

1035
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: tell you what, I didn't feel like I was missing

1036
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: a whole lot, you know, I always missed the pheasant

1037
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: thing a little bit or whatever. But I was like, oh,

1038
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: this is this is just what I'm going to do

1039
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: because I have this kind of dog and this kind

1040
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: of opportunity, you know, and I think, you know, I

1041
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: did a podcast. I did a Foundation's episode about this

1042
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: where it's like you kind of got to take a snapshot.

1043
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 2: Of your life where you're at and go.

1044
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: You know, I grew up grouse hunting with my grandpa

1045
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: up in the you know, the big Woods. But now

1046
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: I have four kids in sports, and I live six

1047
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: hours away from real grouse territory, but I have access

1048
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: to these kind of birds, and so, you know, buying

1049
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: a dog off of memories or buying a dog off

1050
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: of hopes that you're going to be doing this thing,

1051
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: you know, whatever, like, it's your choice. But where are

1052
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: you at now? What can you get to? And again,

1053
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of this. You know, you

1054
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: guys live in a place where you facilitate this and

1055
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: you have big chunks of land to do this. A

1056
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: lot of people are like, well, I do the you know,

1057
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: the South Dakota thing. You know, five days a year,

1058
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: I bring my dog out and I hunt pheasants. Well, okay,

1059
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: then three hundred and sixty days a year. Your dog's

1060
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: a house dog. So what do you need out of that?

1061
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: And what would be fair to that dog or the

1062
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 1: kind of dog you could get. It's not just about

1063
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: that one five day window. It's about what's the relationship

1064
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: going to be and how how much can you give

1065
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: that dog instead of just what can that dog give you?

1066
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: When you're looking for a puppy?

1067
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that that is so important and it's something

1068
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 3: that a lot of people don't think about. You know,

1069
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 3: there was a I've heard this more than once from

1070
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 3: a guy long several years ago. We had black and

1071
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: tan puppies and would sell them for one hundred dollars

1072
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 3: apiece and with a guarantee that if the folks got

1073
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 3: tired of them, he'd give them their money back after

1074
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 3: a year. Well, folks were behind these puppies up and

1075
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 3: after a year they're like, ah, I wasn't going to

1076
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 3: coon hunt, so I can get my money back on

1077
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 3: this dog.

1078
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: But what this guy was doing was farming. Puppies have

1079
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 2: to be raised by people for a year.

1080
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 3: He'd get them back and he would start training them

1081
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 3: and sell them.

1082
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: So hold on.

1083
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: So he was like, hey, you take the VAT bill,

1084
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,919
Speaker 1: you socialization, you take the terrorist stage of the six

1085
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: month old puppy.

1086
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: You tell me that guy wasn't thinking.

1087
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 3: Now, that guy was thinking, this's happened in the state

1088
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 3: next just east of us here. But it was an

1089
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 3: absolute genius plan of how he did that.

1090
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: But you.

1091
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 3: There's there's so much to be considered when you bring

1092
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 3: one of those dogs home, the not only the care

1093
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: that you had to give them. Because now, if you know,

1094
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 3: my daughter's fixing them, she's twelve, almost thirteen, and she's

1095
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 3: a competition dancer. So a lot of our weekends we're gone, well,

1096
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 3: guess what, Whaling and Jesse, they're not going with us.

1097
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 3: So I've either got to boredom or I've got to

1098
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 3: have somebody come and take care of them, and there

1099
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 3: is there's no greater responsibility you have than another living

1100
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 3: creature dependent upon you and you got that's that's tier one.

1101
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 3: You got to take care of that. That's just the

1102
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 3: way it is. There's if you if that's not your

1103
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 3: primary focus when you walk out the door, is this dog?

1104
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 3: But these dogs going to be fine when I when

1105
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 3: I leave the house, then you don't deserve them to

1106
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 3: begin with. So that's there's so many things to think about.

1107
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 3: It is a limiting factor on your life and something

1108
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 3: that should be considered before you ever start looking for one.

1109
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 3: Am I going to have the term to do this?

1110
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 3: Am I going to have the resource to take up

1111
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 3: the slack when I'm not here? Because I mean I

1112
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 3: can't think of anybody's kids that don't. They're not involved

1113
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 3: in either dancing or travel ball or whatever. You know,

1114
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 3: they're going somewhere doing something a lot. So there's there's

1115
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 3: just so much to be considered in the welfare of

1116
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,479
Speaker 3: when you're not there taken care of, not to mention

1117
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 3: the things that can happen to them once you get

1118
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 3: them out in the woods.

1119
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 2: Right well, I like to think of it.

1120
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, when we got married, and I

1121
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,240
Speaker 1: moved from a town of two thousand people southeastern Minnesota,

1122
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: little dairy farming community to the suburbs of the Twin Cities.

1123
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I was miserable. Miserable. That's a bunch of

1124
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 2: folks who live there.

1125
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: There are way too many, way too many. But for me,

1126
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: it was like, I just need to be in the

1127
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: I need to be away from people. I need to

1128
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: be in the woods. I need to be on the water.

1129
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: That's just what I need. Like that's I'm not. I

1130
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 1: don't do very well if you keep that away from

1131
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: me for too long. And I'm sure that a lot

1132
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: of people listening to this are like that. And if not,

1133
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: you have other needs.

1134
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: Right.

1135
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: We look at a dog and go, I'm gonna find

1136
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: this puppy. This puppy is gonna be awesome at this

1137
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: and awesome at this, and it's gonna give me all

1138
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: of this stuff, like it's going to do for me

1139
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: a ton of stuff.

1140
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 2: That's good.

1141
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: But what am I doing for that dog? And if

1142
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: I get this kind of dog, is my lifestyle conducive

1143
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: to giving that kind of dog, not only that breed,

1144
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: but that that individual dog that litter, you know, the

1145
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: high drive. Whatever whatever they bring to the table, am

1146
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: I going to be able to get that dog what

1147
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: it needs? And so you see this a lot, and

1148
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are a lot of veterinarians listening to

1149
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: this who've dealt with a lot of you know, dogs

1150
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: that have been given way too many treats because people

1151
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: equate that to love or you know, we do a lot,

1152
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: we play a lot of games. You see this a

1153
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: lot where it's like, well, I take my dog. I

1154
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: take my German short hair that's eight months old. I

1155
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: take it for a walk every day for a mile

1156
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: and a half. And that's like almost doing nothing when

1157
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: that dog because of what it needs, you know. And

1158
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: so we can kind of, if we want to, we

1159
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: can convince ourselves that we're doing the best for that

1160
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: dog because the dog is going to be happy, like

1161
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: I'll do. You know who the humor calumnists Dave Barry is,

1162
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he wrote you know, he's written ton

1163
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: and tons of stuff. But I'll never forget. He wrote

1164
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: a line one time about they were doing an experiment.

1165
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: I think it was on the International Space Station, but

1166
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: it might have just been a man mission up.

1167
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 2: Into space a long time ago.

1168
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: And they brought a frog up there to test how

1169
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: like distressed a frog would be. And the whole thing

1170
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: was about, like, how would you tell if a frog

1171
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: was distressed? Right, Like, if you could pick one critter

1172
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: that's like pretty stoic, it's a frog, right, And I

1173
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: always think about that. I'm like, yeah, if you go

1174
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: get a dog and you like, you can watch it

1175
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: when we walk up to your dogs in the kennel here,

1176
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: their tails are going nuts. They're like, he's coming. He's

1177
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: the best thing that's going to happen to me. Then

1178
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: you take that dog out and you let it go

1179
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: off the side by side at night, and now that

1180
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: dog's like, this is the best thing that happened to me.

1181
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: And then you feed these dogs whatever. It's like we

1182
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: can we can convince ourselves that we're giving them everything

1183
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: they need because of just what they are, why they're

1184
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: so special. But to be honest about that and go,

1185
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, I live in this little apartment in the city.

1186
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: Maybe that you know, uh drought or that wire hair.

1187
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: It's not the best choice for me just because I

1188
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: like a dog that has a beard and a you know,

1189
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: as a cool temperament or whatever. Like we have to

1190
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: be fair to the dogs too. And that starts way

1191
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: before you find that litter. That starts when you're like,

1192
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe I'm not this breed. Maybe this

1193
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: breed isn't it anymore. Maybe I need something like this

1194
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: because of X Y Z and the dance schedule and

1195
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: where I live and where my job takes me and

1196
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: all of a sudden the travel. You got to be

1197
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: fair to them too.

1198
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 2: Or maybe you just don't need one.

1199
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,439
Speaker 3: There are sections of it, you know, Like during that

1200
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 3: twenty plus years of my career, I didn't have a

1201
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 3: coon dog because I couldn't justify having that dog set

1202
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 3: in the back in the in the pan back there

1203
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 3: and me not hunting.

1204
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: That's just not that, ain't That's no bueno. That ain't

1205
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: the way to go. Did you have house dogs at all? No? No,

1206
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: until you got married. Not until I got married.

1207
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 3: Then you had house Now we got row see the

1208
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 3: jack Russell whose only job is to crop dust hair

1209
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 3: from one room to the other. But you know, growing up,

1210
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 3: we didn't on the farm. We didn't have any dogs

1211
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 3: that weren't serving a purpose for something, right, you know,

1212
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 3: cow dogs, good or bad or at whatever level they were,

1213
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 3: they were if they were if they were eating food

1214
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 3: at our house, they were they were serving a purpose

1215
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 3: of course, coon, I mean hunting dogs out the wazoo,

1216
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 3: but there was no house dogs there. But you know

1217
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 3: that's but that was a sacrifice that I made because

1218
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 3: of my commitment to having to treating the dog the

1219
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 3: way they're supposed to be. You know, I don't treat

1220
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 3: them as humans. You know, they're I don't think they're people,

1221
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 3: and they shouldn't be treated like people. They are animals.

1222
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 3: But they are our responsibility to take care of. And

1223
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 3: I take that very to heart. You know that that

1224
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 3: that it is my responsibility to take care of me

1225
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 3: and Whalen, who's never aged a day until we brought

1226
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 3: this puppy home. And I can look at him now

1227
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: and I can start seeing the gray in his face.

1228
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 3: You know, he'll have a home at my house and

1229
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 3: until he leaves this world for sure.

1230
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 2: I mean that's a stressful.

1231
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: My older dog, when we brought that pup home, she

1232
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,439
Speaker 1: was not super excited about it, you know, but that's

1233
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: just how it goes.

1234
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 2: They figure it out. Yeah, they play together now.

1235
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 3: I mean he has always been Michael has always called

1236
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 3: him a big puppy.

1237
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 2: He's like a five year old puppy.

1238
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 3: That's way Rex refers to him, just because he's just

1239
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 3: so full of energy and just the way I mean,

1240
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 3: you can he can jump up on you and you

1241
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 3: pop him on the head and he's.

1242
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 2: Just hih, you know, he's ready for more of it.

1243
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 2: Just he's just a.

1244
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 3: Lovable toddler really is what he is, is his temperament.

1245
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 3: But the first few days he was like, what.

1246
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,479
Speaker 2: Is going on? Why is this creature here?

1247
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 3: You know, I'm the baby, the I'm I'm the one

1248
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 3: who's supposed to be sitting in Mama's lap, you know,

1249
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,439
Speaker 3: in the lown furniture out back. But they get used

1250
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 3: to it. And the way you do that as you

1251
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 3: treat them both the same, you know, and and we

1252
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 3: did that. But it's a it's a fun journey. To me,

1253
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 3: there's nothing any more fun or any more pleasurable than

1254
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 3: seeing a dog figure out what their purpose is, why

1255
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 3: they're there. And what I'm wanting them to do is

1256
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 3: when they figure it out is like I mean, they

1257
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 3: literally look back at you and like this is outstanding,

1258
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 3: you know, And not only is this fun for me,

1259
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 3: but you're happy that I'm happy, right, and you just

1260
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 3: you can see it if you pay attention, you can

1261
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 3: absolutely see the expression on that dog's face and in

1262
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 3: their temperament that that.

1263
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 2: They like it too.

1264
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: Ye, I mean it's I can see that, you know.

1265
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: I mean when you I spent quite a bit of

1266
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: time with Michael, and he talks a lot about when that.

1267
01:02:56,120 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: When that dude talks, you're like, they're here is so

1268
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: much knowledge, Oh, hitting me upside the head, you know,

1269
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: in such a soft, very just like modest delivery. He's

1270
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: not trying to impress you. He's just saying, this is

1271
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: just what it is. And you can see that where

1272
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: it's like it's a for him. He's doing that for

1273
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: the dog. He's doing so much that's just for the dogs,

1274
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: but it's for him at the same time, even you know,

1275
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: like his motivation isn't I'm doing this for me. I'm

1276
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: doing this for the dogs. But because of that, it's

1277
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: just a different thing.

1278
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 2: Man.

1279
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 3: He's been such a I could not have had a

1280
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 3: better coach than this guy. Then Reck when I first

1281
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 3: started out with Rex, he's very knowledgeable. And then Michael,

1282
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 3: who we hunt together all the time and he's never

1283
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 3: like you need to do this, you should do that.

1284
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, I wonder why he's doing that, and Michael said, well,

1285
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 3: could be it.

1286
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 2: Or I'll say should I do this? No, you should

1287
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: do this.

1288
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 3: He's always waiting and that has been so important and

1289
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 3: been a big factor in Whalen's development of like should

1290
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 3: I be doing this or should I just let him

1291
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 3: figure it out himself? Like Rex told me, you know

1292
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 3: at the beginning, you know, if he'll chase whatever he's chasing,

1293
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 3: we can. As long as he'll chase something, we can

1294
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,439
Speaker 3: get him pointed in the right direction. Well, Michael has

1295
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 3: been a great steward in that and allowing me to

1296
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 3: let that dog develop naturally and me correct him when

1297
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 3: I needed to correct him. And his knowledge comes from

1298
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 3: he does this every day. Coon hunting is this man's life.

1299
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 3: I mean, he's making these lights for coon hunters. So

1300
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 3: every day he's talking about this. Every day he's dealing

1301
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 3: with and we hunt together all the time. He's so

1302
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 3: analytical about it. There's so much more to it than

1303
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 3: just cutting the dog loose and waiting for him to

1304
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 3: start barking. And it's he has been It's been such

1305
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 3: a blessing to me to have that knowledge to be

1306
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 3: able to pick and call him on the phone like, man,

1307
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 3: this is what's going on. I've called him before. I've

1308
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 3: been out in the field but hunting by myself. Well,

1309
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 3: what's what's happening? What did he do? What did you do? Okay,

1310
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 3: you messed up? It ain't the dog you made up.

1311
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 3: You made an error. Ye, And it's just pointed me

1312
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 3: in the way to go to direction. And all that

1313
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 3: comes from paying attention to years and years of data

1314
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 3: that he's been logging in his head, which has started

1315
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 3: with me. Now I've got five years of data on

1316
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 3: this dog. I can, I can. Last night we were

1317
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 3: watching on that garment. I said, okay, Hillary, look right

1318
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 3: here the last time he barked when he made this

1319
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 3: track right here, And this garment is a screen and

1320
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 3: this track and wailing and showing his track on the

1321
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 3: satellite view of where he's going, and he ain't made

1322
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 3: a peep, but I can see he's making a circle.

1323
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 3: And when he gets back to that spot right there,

1324
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 3: he's probably going to bark again. And Sam, as soon

1325
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 3: as he got there, he did. And it's just from

1326
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 3: knowing and paying attention to the tendencies that that dog

1327
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 3: has and kind of understanding what he's doing while he's

1328
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 3: out there. And those tools have been beneficial, and well,

1329
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 3: the number one, they keep hunters from having to spend

1330
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 3: the night in the woods. Like when I was a kid,

1331
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 3: my coon dog didn't come back. I'm laying down there

1332
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 3: in the woods the last place I saw him and

1333
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 3: waiting for him to come back, or I'm leaving a

1334
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:29,919
Speaker 3: coach there and going home and coming back to next

1335
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 3: morning anybody, yeah, to come back to get him. And

1336
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 3: that has totally eliminated that. But it's also shown how

1337
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 3: these dogs work. The bird dogs the same way. You

1338
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 3: can actually physically see how they're working a piece of

1339
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 3: terrain and like, well, you know by now, he's probably

1340
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 3: got this covered, he's got that cover, and you look

1341
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 3: on there and he was one hundred yards from where

1342
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 3: you actually thought he was. You know, so but that

1343
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 3: day to reinforcing all that stuff and keeping a journal.

1344
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 3: I've got a journal when I first started hunting whaling,

1345
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 3: and I keep it and I go back to it now.

1346
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 3: I look at the things that I was thinking that then,

1347
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 3: about where I thought this dog was going and why

1348
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 3: he was doing that. And I was either right on

1349
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 3: spot or I was totally wrong, but it's it's very important,

1350
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 3: and Michael has that knowledge of keeping up with stuff. Well, man,

1351
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 3: we'll be going down through there and he's say, you

1352
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 3: remember when Whaling treed this coon right over here, And

1353
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, uh.

1354
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 2: No, I don't. He said, yeah, that was that night.

1355
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 3: He'll finally remind me of some I'm like, yeah, I remember,

1356
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 3: it's hunting that night. Well, you tread three coons, and

1357
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 3: heck treed five and.

1358
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 2: We did it here here, here, here, and there.

1359
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, sweet Jesus, Michael, I can't remember what I

1360
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 3: have for breakfast this morning. But he's such a student

1361
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 3: of it. And that's what it takes to be consistently good.

1362
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 3: And that's why he always has good dog.

1363
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: Right well, And that's I mean, maybe that's a good

1364
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: point to kind of end this sucker on is when

1365
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: we talk about you know, you talk a lot about

1366
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: getting whaling, getting other dogs whatever, and getting out there

1367
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: and getting those reps in over and over and letting

1368
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: that dog develop those skills. Because some of those raccoons

1369
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: go up there and they sit in the first four

1370
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: of the tree, some of them getting those logs like

1371
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: we saw last night. So some of them swim across

1372
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: the water for a long ways. But when you do that,

1373
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: not only are you allowing that dog to figure it out,

1374
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: he's learning his job out there in a dynamic environment

1375
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 1: with a critter that's trying real hard to get away

1376
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: to get away, but also you're learning how to work

1377
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 1: that dog. And so when we talk about that commitment

1378
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: of like, well it's to develop your dog, you want

1379
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 1: to give that bird dog two years of training every

1380
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: single day, working on the foundational level stuff, getting up

1381
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: into the upper level stuff the hand signals, a long

1382
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: distance work whatever. You're also learning how to train that

1383
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 1: specific dog and work together with them. And it's the

1384
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: same thing, you know, I see. It's kind of my

1385
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: nightmare when somebody's like, hey, I want to go pheasant

1386
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: hunting with you, Like, I don't want to. I got

1387
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: a few people I want to hunt with, but mostly

1388
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 1: I want to go solo. But when I do hunt

1389
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: with somebody who doesn't get out there a lot, their

1390
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: connection to that dog and the dog's connection to them

1391
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: is different because they just haven't got the reps together

1392
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: and so they're not working the same way, like they're

1393
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: not just in tune, and it's like a kind of

1394
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: an intangible thing that's like hard to recognize until you

1395
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: watch somebody who has that relationship and they're always like,

1396
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: that dog is amazing, and they're not wrong, But that

1397
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: relationship to that that person has with that dog is

1398
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: what's amazing about it too.

1399
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 3: I'm so anxious to see how Jesse responds to to

1400
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 3: when we start hunting, because I have to be able

1401
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 3: to adapt to her.

1402
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 2: She should not have to adapt to me.

1403
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 3: She's going to have to adapt to me to do

1404
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 3: the things that I want her to do or to

1405
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 3: not do the things that I don't want her to do.

1406
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 3: But I've got to go at the speed of her

1407
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 3: learning curve. Well, Whylon it was pretty easy.

1408
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 2: You know. She may be a different category altogether.

1409
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 3: But if I tried to train her or to teach

1410
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 3: her the way that I did with Whaling, that's my fault.

1411
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 2: If she don't get it.

1412
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 3: I've got to go the way that she learns and

1413
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,839
Speaker 3: the way that is best suited for her at whatever

1414
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 3: speed that is.

1415
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 2: She may be faster, who knows.

1416
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 3: I hope she is, but that's one thing to consider,

1417
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 3: you know, on that second dog or third dog or whatever,

1418
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 3: and it may be the reason why the others the

1419
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 3: first dog you got after the one that was so

1420
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 3: good didn't work out, They're they're different and you got

1421
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:31,759
Speaker 3: to look that way.

1422
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 1: Always, Brent. It's always so much fun talking to you.

1423
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: Really appreciate you having us down here, showing us your

1424
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: life out here in the Arkansas coon woods. Where can

1425
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: everybody find you? All of your stuff you're making.

1426
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 3: Oh, this country life is on the Beargrease feed, on

1427
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 3: the Mediator podcast anywhere you get a podcast, you just

1428
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 3: type that in there and whip it up. We would

1429
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 3: have some stuff coming out on the Meet the Clips

1430
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 3: and I've got some some hunts and stuff that will

1431
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 3: you on the main medi Eater channel.

1432
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 1: And they might even be able to go to that

1433
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 1: media clips channel and see you, uh teaching how to

1434
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: how to work with dogs a little bit and do

1435
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 1: some stuff and figure out figure out a few skills

1436
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: that you might want your dog to have.

1437
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 3: Here it comes, man, I'm excited. I'm looking really looking

1438
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 3: forward to seeing what we can do this.

1439
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 2: Thanks brother, thank you. Mm hmmm