Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: It's so nice to be back with you all. Happy
Speaker 1: New Year. The most asked question in my emails and
Speaker 1: dms over the last few weeks has been how did
Speaker 1: you do with your fiction reading New Year's Resolution from
Speaker 1: last year? Poorly? Friends, I did poorly. I completed only
Speaker 1: nine fiction books and many many half books. I just
Speaker 1: I can't finish books that I don't like it. I
Speaker 1: wish I could, I just can't do it. My favorite
Speaker 1: fiction book that I read in the last year was
Speaker 1: City of Thieves. I think I mentioned it maybe shortly
Speaker 1: after I read it at the beginning of the year,
Speaker 1: and then the rest were just okay, not really worth
Speaker 1: mentioning and not that recommendable. But City of Thieves very good.
Speaker 1: Check it out. I already finished a book this year's
Speaker 1: pretty good. It's called The Midnight Library by Matt Haig.
Speaker 1: I picked it up on a whim and tore through
Speaker 1: it on just two flights. To be fair, those flights
Speaker 1: did not have internet. Maybe that's what I need. I
Speaker 1: need for flights to stop having internet on board so
Speaker 1: I'll actually read the books that I carry with me.
Speaker 1: Midnight Library is about a woman about to kill herself
Speaker 1: who gets the option to go and live a lot
Speaker 1: of different versions of her life to see which she
Speaker 1: likes best.
Speaker 2: I liked it.
Speaker 1: It was good. I mean again, I can't say it
Speaker 1: was like the greatest book ever, but I enjoyed it
Speaker 1: for what it was. I also guessed the ending pretty
Speaker 1: early on, but my daughter says, I'm annoying like that,
Speaker 1: and I really can't hold it against the book. Now
Speaker 1: I'm reading Submission by I'm going to butcher this French name,
Speaker 1: but Michelle Wellbach, and it's very good. It's one of
Speaker 1: those books that had been recommended to me many times
Speaker 1: over the years, and I'm finally getting around to it.
Speaker 1: And to be honest, I didn't realize it was fiction,
Speaker 1: or I would have read it much sooner. I read
Speaker 1: so much nonfiction already that I just didn't want to
Speaker 1: add another nonfiction book to the pile. Why do I
Speaker 1: talk so much about reading and why that's important to me.
Speaker 1: I used to be a major reader. I used to
Speaker 1: read all the time, NonStop, and it got harder and
Speaker 1: harder as I got older to read for fun. I
Speaker 1: blame my children. Okay, I actually blame my husband because
Speaker 1: it started happening shortly after we got married. But it's
Speaker 1: probably most blamed on the attention span that I lose
Speaker 1: bit by bit by being on the internet so much
Speaker 1: so my two things often go hand in hand. Less
Speaker 1: internet more reading. The other part is one of the
Speaker 1: questions I ask my guests is what do you worry about? Well,
Speaker 1: I worry when I'm reading fiction. It's like you lose
Speaker 1: yourself in another world and then you come up for
Speaker 1: air and your own and that just fills me with possibility.
Speaker 1: I feel very motivated after I read fiction. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to repeat the challenge this year and try to
Speaker 1: read more fiction. Please join me. I'd love to hear
Speaker 1: what books you're reading, and if you want to send
Speaker 1: in your suggestions or tell me anything else, drop me
Speaker 1: a line at Carol Markowitz Show at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: Coming up my interview with Lisa Booth. But first, the
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Speaker 1: back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest
Speaker 1: today is Lisa Booth. Lisa is a Fox News contributor,
Speaker 1: host of The Truth with Lisa Booth and one of
Speaker 1: my all time, very best friends and just all around
Speaker 1: favorite people. Ailita.
Speaker 2: Hey, Carol, I love you, I love you. I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: I know Mike, what are you gonna ask?
Speaker 1: Mate? I can't believe it's taken this long, but I
Speaker 1: wanted you to be my first interview of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Happy New Year, by the way.
Speaker 3: You zero, Yeah, we're in twenty twenty four. Actually I'm
Speaker 3: okay with saying goodbye to twenty twenty four. Right, So
Speaker 3: we've got Trump and office, all jades, things ahead, hopefully
Speaker 3: fingers crossed, so god willing.
Speaker 1: There's absolutely been a vibe shift. I feel like everybody's
Speaker 1: so optimistic heading into this year, and yeah, why not?
Speaker 1: And we're going to see a lot of each other,
Speaker 1: so really can't get better than that?
Speaker 2: Well? Absolutely, I always love hanging out with you. We
Speaker 2: have the best. We have too much fun.
Speaker 1: Seems Oh, we're not gonna remember we're not going to
Speaker 1: talk about that.
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, no, no, go ahead, go ahead. I remember
Speaker 2: what I made you take it to quila show.
Speaker 1: Yes, I do remember that. I had like a four
Speaker 1: am flight the next day, or I had to be
Speaker 1: get up at four am and Lisa comes back from
Speaker 1: the bar with a tray of shots for everybody, and
Speaker 1: you just knew that that morning the next day was
Speaker 1: it was gonna hurt a little, but it was worth it.
Speaker 3: It was although I'm on a no drinking kick right now,
Speaker 3: so we'll not how long this can go.
Speaker 1: So how's that going.
Speaker 2: It's great, honestly, you know, it's like I've never had
Speaker 2: a problem. Just for the record, right, but just to
Speaker 2: get that out of the way. But you know, it's
Speaker 2: like even when you get older.
Speaker 3: Like even two glasses of wine, you know, you feel
Speaker 3: like crap the next day and you wake up and
Speaker 3: you're groggy, and I've just been so busy lately that
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know what, and I'm trying to get
Speaker 3: in like really good shape, and so I'm just like,
Speaker 3: you know what, I don't need to I don't need
Speaker 3: to have like my time and my ability to get
Speaker 3: things done diminished by being hungover, even in the slightest
Speaker 3: And so you know, I'm just gonna maybe see if
Speaker 3: i can go thirty days and then see what else.
Speaker 3: And just I've been waking up refreshed and super productive.
Speaker 3: We share a producer, John. He's he could probably tell
Speaker 3: you that He's like, maybe you should go back to
Speaker 3: having a couple, you know, because I'm like, let's do this,
Speaker 3: let's do that.
Speaker 1: Thing, you know, So he's like, enough enough of this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: please stop. It's funny. I make the joke on here
Speaker 1: a lot that I try to drink more because I
Speaker 1: just don't feel like I drink anywhere near enough. Like
Speaker 1: I have a humongous barre at home with all these
Speaker 1: different kinds of like cool alcohol, and I love whiskey.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, really into like rise and bourbons, but
Speaker 1: I just never remember to drink. So I'm always like,
Speaker 1: I drink more. But I get you where I can
Speaker 1: have more than two, absolutely not more than two, and
Speaker 1: the night is ruined. The next day is ruined if
Speaker 1: you do hit a certain age where where two is
Speaker 1: the limit. But I want to hear how this goes,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to hear how all this turns out.
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for you, except for the nights when we're together,
Speaker 1: in which case I'm going to be a really bad influence.
Speaker 3: I know. I feel, well, that's so fun. I don't
Speaker 3: need to Yeah, Like I am very fun, right, so
Speaker 3: I don't be drinking to be fun you really sadly way, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it'll be funny if we do another interview and we're
Speaker 3: like sport. Remember when I told you you were still
Speaker 3: fun without it, I was a lie.
Speaker 1: No, you're definitely still fun without it. I have seen
Speaker 1: you not during this time, not drinking, and yeah, you've
Speaker 1: been awesome means so much fun. You're still a bad
Speaker 1: influence on the rest of us, exactly, exactly. So I
Speaker 1: find you to be just fascinating and super smart but
Speaker 1: also super wise. And this show is about, you know,
Speaker 1: living better and all of that. So I want to
Speaker 1: get into what would you say to like, what advice
Speaker 1: would you give to the Lisa Booth of sixteen years old?
Speaker 3: So actually, I would give myself the advice of being
Speaker 3: nicer to my parents and treating them with more respect,
Speaker 3: because I think it's one of those things that you
Speaker 3: know obviously when you well, look, I was. I was
Speaker 3: a tough child to raise. I've always been extremely independent,
Speaker 3: you know, I have a lot of opinions, obviously, hence
Speaker 3: working in this industry.
Speaker 2: And so I was stubborn, right. I was always loving.
Speaker 3: And I always loved my parents, but you know, I
Speaker 3: was challenging, right, And so as you get older, you
Speaker 3: just you appreciate your parents more and you realize everything
Speaker 3: they've done for you. And so I wish I could
Speaker 3: go back because it eats like you, we don't know
Speaker 3: how much time, but God's going to give us or
Speaker 3: parents and the people we love, and so I wish
Speaker 3: I could go back and just always treat them with
Speaker 3: the utmost respect and.
Speaker 2: Because they deserve that, you know.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure, if you know, hopefully God willing, when
Speaker 3: I have kids, I'm probably going to get it from them.
Speaker 1: So let me assure you you will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like God's probably going to be like you deserve
Speaker 3: this one, Lise, like enjoy.
Speaker 1: No, but it's a good point. Look, I have my
Speaker 1: mom staying with me right now. She's amazing, She does
Speaker 1: tons of stuff for us, She's just awesome.
Speaker 2: But you know, there are.
Speaker 1: Some challenges and challenges from from my side, and it
Speaker 1: is a struggle sometimes to treat them the way that
Speaker 1: they deserve to be treated. So I fully expect my
Speaker 1: kids to behave the same way as me, though I
Speaker 1: don't have any illusions that they're going to be better.
Speaker 3: But can I say one thing that I really I've
Speaker 3: always really admired about you because like I do adore you,
Speaker 3: I love you like just such an amazing person.
Speaker 2: You're an incredible friend.
Speaker 3: But like I feel like you've got it figured out,
Speaker 3: you know, and it's hard. No, you do from an outsider,
Speaker 3: I know you probably don't say that, right, no, but
Speaker 3: it's like you love your kids and you're very present
Speaker 3: for your kids. You love your husband. I've seen you
Speaker 3: guys together, like there's so much love there. You have
Speaker 3: a great marriage, and then you're also you know, kicking
Speaker 3: butt in your career as well, and I feel like
Speaker 3: it's very hard to like do all of those things
Speaker 3: at once, and then you still, you know, go out
Speaker 3: occasionally and have a good time. So it's like I
Speaker 3: feel like you've got like the recipe figured out, and
Speaker 3: I'm like out there still buying ingredients.
Speaker 2: From like you've baked the cake and it's nice. I'm
Speaker 2: totally you know.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. I like to say, you know what,
Speaker 1: people like, how do you do it? I do it poorly?
Speaker 2: Like I just don't. I know you probably feel that way,
Speaker 2: but you don't.
Speaker 3: Like from I see you know, I see you and
Speaker 3: like the way you operate and like I admire that.
Speaker 3: So it's I know it's not easy, but you're you're
Speaker 3: very present and all the things that you're doing, and
Speaker 3: I think, like that's not hard to do or that's
Speaker 3: not easy to do.
Speaker 1: Rather thank you, thank you. This is going to be
Speaker 1: the Mutual Appreciation Society interview. Sure, I kind of felt
Speaker 1: like this is how it was going to go. We'd
Speaker 1: be like, I love you, No, I love you. Now
Speaker 1: you're swa.
Speaker 2: People listening are gonna be like, oh.
Speaker 1: My, these two hopefully they're still hungover from New Years exactly.
Speaker 1: Did you always want to be on TV?
Speaker 3: No, I like it. It never even occurred to me
Speaker 3: to be I just never even thought that. I don't know,
Speaker 3: I really never even considered it. I didn't consider it
Speaker 3: until so. I was always the political route. So I
Speaker 3: was a political science major in college, went to work
Speaker 3: on Capitol Hill when I graduated, you know, did that,
Speaker 3: worked on campaigns, like did that whole thing. And I
Speaker 3: was working on a Senate race at the time, and
Speaker 3: my boss was like, you're doing spin room after the debate,
Speaker 3: and so the spin room for those listening if you're unaware,
Speaker 3: basically afterwards, either the candidate or someone from the team,
Speaker 3: the team goes out and like gives the hey, you know,
Speaker 3: addresses the media and you know, to the effect of
Speaker 3: being like we won because of X, Y and Z
Speaker 3: and you know, you kind of go out and you
Speaker 3: make your declaration, you take questions from me. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: so he was like, that's what you're doing tonight. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, I have never been on TV, like I
Speaker 3: don't know, you know, and he was like, it's not
Speaker 3: a question, it's like a directive, like you're doing this,
Speaker 3: and so I was like, oh man, So yeah, during
Speaker 3: the debate, I'm like furiously taking notes and really just
Speaker 3: trying to like pay attention to everything that was said.
Speaker 2: I prepare like my remarks and what I was going
Speaker 2: to go do.
Speaker 3: And I went out there and like the this is
Speaker 3: in Wisconsin, the Wisconsin Press Corps.
Speaker 2: They're brutal, like they're very left wing. They hated my candidate.
Speaker 3: So I go out there, I give my statement, I'm
Speaker 3: taking the income, and I'm like, man, this is so
Speaker 3: much fun. Like I freaking loved it. And then so
Speaker 3: after that they're like, Okay, you're doing TV for the
Speaker 3: rest of the campaign cycle because I guess they thought
Speaker 3: I was good at it and I enjoyed it. And
Speaker 3: so after that, I, you know, I went back to
Speaker 3: Capitol Hill and I kind of had in the back
Speaker 3: of my mind that this is something I'd like to
Speaker 3: do at some point. And then, you know, fast forward,
Speaker 3: I found myself not working on Capitol Hill anymore and
Speaker 3: was able to start doing it for the first time.
Speaker 3: And then it's just like one thing led to another
Speaker 3: and now I'm here. It was a lot of work,
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong. Me Like I was paying to
Speaker 3: take the bus up to New York to do shows
Speaker 3: on my own dime when I wasn't making you know,
Speaker 3: I wasn't making up with money. But and then that
Speaker 3: just kind of kicked off something in me of being like, Wow,
Speaker 3: there was something about this I just love.
Speaker 1: Was it the arguing that you enjoyed?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Could that be it? Harol?
Speaker 2: And no, one's uh, you know, I do enjoy you know,
Speaker 2: like my mom.
Speaker 3: My mom always used to say, if I could, just
Speaker 3: like harness that power for good, it would be very productive.
Speaker 2: Like I remember, I, well, I don't know if I
Speaker 2: should tell well, I asked her.
Speaker 3: I was in I think I was like elementary school
Speaker 3: or something, and I went to a private Christian school
Speaker 3: at the time, and so this girl accused me of
Speaker 3: stealing the communion and I did not, so I slapped
Speaker 3: her because I'm like, how dare you you know I
Speaker 3: did not do.
Speaker 1: This in the communion. She's lucky she got away with
Speaker 1: just a slap.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So then I went to the principal's office and
Speaker 3: he was like, you can't. You shouldn't be doing that.
Speaker 3: You know, I can't remember. This is like forever ago,
Speaker 3: but basically the gist of it, or at least what was,
Speaker 3: you know, told to my mom and then now that
Speaker 3: I know, because you know, you don't always remember everything
Speaker 3: exactly from middle school, but I remember slapping her, but
Speaker 3: and then going to the principal's office. But and then
Speaker 3: he like basically he was like, you know, why did
Speaker 3: you slapper? And I'm like, well, she's stealed. She accused
Speaker 3: me of stealing the communion and like what's worse slapping
Speaker 3: someone or lying? And he was like who, like what,
Speaker 3: like who are you? You know?
Speaker 1: And then so I didn't end up lapping ma'am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like but I really didn't end up getting
Speaker 3: in trouble. He just like told my mom, and my
Speaker 3: mom was like, why did you let her?
Speaker 2: You know what I like?
Speaker 3: And so there's always like these situations where I was
Speaker 3: able to kind of like, you know, your thing.
Speaker 2: Have it yeah, talk my way out.
Speaker 3: And my mom was just always like, we just need
Speaker 3: to know harness this and focus this on goods.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as long as she doesn't become like a war criminal.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 2: What do you worry about? Everything?
Speaker 1: I think? You know?
Speaker 2: Are you a worrier? Oh my god, Caro, What don't
Speaker 2: I worry about?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: You see so like optimistic I am, but I worry
Speaker 2: about Like it's just my mind. I'm very like analytical.
Speaker 3: I'm always thinking about things, a very hard time turning
Speaker 3: my brain off, and so it's a challenge of mine.
Speaker 3: That's something I've worked on as I've gotten older about,
Speaker 3: you know, realizing that things are outside of our control
Speaker 3: and just kind of like giving up to God and
Speaker 3: letting go of things.
Speaker 2: But it's not always easy, you know.
Speaker 3: Look, I was really worried about the direction of the
Speaker 3: country before the election, like terrified. It was keeping me
Speaker 3: up at night. I mean, heading into the election, I
Speaker 3: couldn't sleep. I had so much anxiety and then you know,
Speaker 3: now I obviously feel much better about that because we're
Speaker 3: in good hands with President Trump. You know, I worry
Speaker 3: personally about you know, with my career, I'm always asking myself,
Speaker 3: am I doing enough? Should I be doing more? Am
Speaker 3: I far along as I should be? You don't have
Speaker 3: a family yet, so I worry about am I going
Speaker 3: to be able to do that?
Speaker 2: Am I?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: So? Yeah, So I worry about a lot of things.
Speaker 3: I think it's sort of a you know, a little
Speaker 3: bit of human nature to worry. How do you get
Speaker 3: more of active mind?
Speaker 1: How do you talk yourself down on those ledges?
Speaker 3: You know, honestly it's talking to my parents. My parents
Speaker 3: are very good at kind of like, you know, sort
Speaker 3: of rewinding those thoughts. And then also like exercising, going
Speaker 3: for walks. You know, for me, I played sports my
Speaker 3: whole entire life, so I'm like really into I've got
Speaker 3: to work out, you know, so just going walks, clearing
Speaker 3: my mind and just kind of realizing that, you know,
Speaker 3: we're we're not in control of everything, and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: just accepting things as there are.
Speaker 2: What would you be.
Speaker 1: Doing if you weren't doing this? Like, what would a
Speaker 1: plan be for Lisa Boothby.
Speaker 3: I mean, honest, I'd probably still be doing the whole
Speaker 3: political thing. I've always just really loved politics. Like my
Speaker 3: dad worked on Capitol Hill when I was growing up,
Speaker 3: and he's always been kind of my I mean, I
Speaker 3: adore my mom as well, and I admire them and
Speaker 3: go to them for different parts of life, but in
Speaker 3: terms of career, I've always really looked up to my dad,
Speaker 3: and so he's always ask him questions about Capitol Hill
Speaker 3: and politics growing up, and he would never treat me
Speaker 3: like a kid and just be like, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: like you would have these conversations with me and inform me,
Speaker 3: and like he's testified before before Congress, not for anything
Speaker 3: bad as a as a policy you know, as a
Speaker 3: policy expert, and so I would go with him, you know.
Speaker 3: So I just kind of really had this like admiration
Speaker 3: for politics, and so I'd probably still i don't know,
Speaker 3: maybe be on Capitol Hill, maybe you know, doing something
Speaker 3: in politics, campaigns, you know, probably would have been working
Speaker 3: on elections this past cycle.
Speaker 2: He's right of center.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've always been a Republican. I definitely have gotten
Speaker 3: further to the right. I think there's been a cool thing. Yeah, right, exactly. Well,
Speaker 3: it was Obama's time in office, and you know, seeing
Speaker 3: the irs go after the tea party, and also sort
Speaker 3: of being I was working at the nrc SEA during
Speaker 3: the tea party as well, so sort of saying people
Speaker 3: being like, you know what, like this is my government,
Speaker 3: you know, not the other way around, Like you work
Speaker 3: for us, we don't work for you.
Speaker 2: And then obviously Cavanaugh was a big.
Speaker 3: Part as well of just seeing the smearing of this
Speaker 3: innocent man, what they did to Trump in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 3: and then just witnessing all the rest of it that
Speaker 3: they've done to them. You know, they trying to throw
Speaker 3: him in jail and you know, really weaponize the government
Speaker 3: against him in a way that is and it's anesthetical
Speaker 3: to like what we're supposed to be as America. So
Speaker 3: I've definitely gotten further to the right as I've gotten older.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, a lot.
Speaker 1: Of those are radicalizing moments for me too.
Speaker 2: Them COVID, Oh my god, I didn't even know there
Speaker 2: was that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, COVID you were actually we'll come back to meet
Speaker 1: what radicalized me. But you were actually extremely outspoken on
Speaker 1: COVID to the point where it harmed you a little
Speaker 1: or you know, could have could have hurt your career.
Speaker 1: But so why did you do it?
Speaker 2: No, it did. It did hurt my career because it
Speaker 2: was wrong.
Speaker 3: And I'm a nerd, and you know, I was a
Speaker 3: vice president appolling firm for a while, and so I'm
Speaker 3: used to working with data, and so I started reading
Speaker 3: things like doctor John E. Needes, He's a world renown
Speaker 3: epidemiologist for Stanford. He wrote a column in stat News
Speaker 3: after the fifteen days to slow the spread, and he
Speaker 3: was looking I think it was the Diamond Princess cruise shrip,
Speaker 3: and he was looking at that as like a case study,
Speaker 3: and his conclusion was that basically the COVID would end
Speaker 3: up being roughly around the same fatality rate as the flu,
Speaker 3: and that basically the reason the fatality rate was so
Speaker 3: skewed is because we were only testing people who were
Speaker 3: showing up at the hospital who were sick and dying,
Speaker 3: and we were missing cases. And then like and then
Speaker 3: you can go fast forward in April, and we had
Speaker 3: these antibody study tests from Santa or from Stanford, from
Speaker 3: in Santa Clara, California, as well as in New York
Speaker 3: and we were finding that we were missing cases by
Speaker 3: like up to eighty sold, meaning that the fatality rate
Speaker 3: was significant less. Or you could go to July of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one and there was an outbreak in Provincetown, Massachusetts,
Speaker 3: and seventy five percent of basic case.
Speaker 1: All like at the front of your note because you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna forget this.
Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna because we shouldn't.
Speaker 3: But then in seventy five percent of the cases and
Speaker 3: that cluster were vaccinated. And then there was also a
Speaker 3: study published in The Lancet basically saying the vaccines weren't
Speaker 3: stopping in the thread of delta. So then the whole
Speaker 3: purpose of getting vaccinated if you're young and healthy was
Speaker 3: deemed irrelevant because it was a personal thing, not a
Speaker 3: public thing, right, Like, you weren't protecting others if you
Speaker 3: got vaccine, right.
Speaker 2: So there's just these moments.
Speaker 3: And then I became friends with all these people in
Speaker 3: you know, these world were now and epidviologists and you know,
Speaker 3: Martin kolderf and Jamadator like you know, you know, I
Speaker 3: don't know if they call me a friend, but you know,
Speaker 3: like they were giving me information and I was asking
Speaker 3: questions and Martin McCarey and like all these people and
Speaker 3: you know, and so I was learning from them, and
Speaker 3: I felt that the truth needed to get out there.
Speaker 1: And okay, so the truth of need is to get
Speaker 1: out there. But it harmed you personally. Isn't there some
Speaker 1: like line where you're like, I don't have I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do this because I'm going to suffer.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: And I remember having these conversations with my parents because
Speaker 3: they were like, least you're really sticking your neck out there,
Speaker 3: you know, you might get it chopped off.
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, you know, then, so be it.
Speaker 3: Right. Like I was fully prepared when I moved down
Speaker 3: to Florida that you know, I wouldn't be able to travel, right,
Speaker 3: because there were talks about like not letting the unvaccinate
Speaker 3: and fly, and so I was just like, all right, well,
Speaker 3: I guess there's worse places to be hunkered down, and
Speaker 3: you know, Lina.
Speaker 1: Will just never leave Florida.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I was fully prepared, you know.
Speaker 3: And then there was a moment too, like I think
Speaker 3: Amicron really deprogrammed people, because up until that point, like
Speaker 3: people were radical with it. And then I think omicron
Speaker 3: because it was so if everyone know it exactly that
Speaker 3: even the people who were like, oh you're dirty, something's
Speaker 3: wrong with you if you get COVID, they got it
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, it's not that bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember this ADA clearly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And once they had it, they were like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is nothing, like really it's nothing. Yes, that's what we've
Speaker 1: been saying exactly. But it took that. It took that.
Speaker 1: It took them getting it and seeing that it was
Speaker 1: not a big deal in order for them to understand.
Speaker 1: I just it's unfortunate that so many people couldn't. I've
Speaker 1: never had COVID, not that I know of, and I
Speaker 1: had my antibodies tested two different times, like after being sick,
Speaker 1: and I've never had it, so I understood that without
Speaker 1: getting sick myself, like why couldn't they make that leap?
Speaker 1: But but yeah, that was a very radicalizing time and
Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to allow the same kind
Speaker 1: of thing to go down in the same way again.
Speaker 1: But I always worry that we're not seeing like what
Speaker 1: the future problem will be and we're going to just
Speaker 1: you know, follow it the same way. But I do
Speaker 1: like that we've kind of woken up as a country
Speaker 1: somewhat and all the radicalizing things that you've talked about.
Speaker 1: I think that they moved a lot of people like
Speaker 1: them searching more A lago was for me this moment
Speaker 1: of like, wow, they have stepped over the line. And
Speaker 1: I've seen not very political people make that same comment,
Speaker 1: like that was a line for them. They searched this
Speaker 1: man's home, they were in you know, Malania's shoe closet.
Speaker 1: That is beyond well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you know with Ray, Christopher Ray
Speaker 3: stepping down, you know, you have that letter from Senator
Speaker 3: Chuck Grassley, who's going to be the incoming Senate Judiciary chairman,
Speaker 3: and like he's not a hyperbolic guy, right, like I've
Speaker 3: had him on my podcast. He's very mild mannered. He's statesman.
Speaker 3: And he outlined in the eleven pages of all the
Speaker 3: egregious examples of why Christopher Ray needed to leave and
Speaker 3: why he had no confidence in him. And that was
Speaker 3: one of the reasons listed was the unprecedented rate against
Speaker 3: Donald Trump with thirty armed FBI agents with essentially, you know,
Speaker 3: authorized to use lethal force if needed. And then they
Speaker 3: didn't do that with Hillary Clinton, who mishandled classified information
Speaker 3: or Joe Biden. But they did do that with Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: So again, you know, continuously on the receiving end of
Speaker 3: you know, the weapon is a of government that he's
Speaker 3: been on.
Speaker 1: Do you have a like earlier radicalizing moment, because like
Speaker 1: mine was, for example, election two thousand, it was the
Speaker 1: first moment I was like, wait, the Democrats are trying
Speaker 1: to steal this selection. And I was like, oh I
Speaker 1: I mean I was always right of center, but I
Speaker 1: was like, I want to be more involved in this,
Speaker 1: Like they're absolutely trying to steal the selection, and I
Speaker 1: want to be more into this.
Speaker 2: Probably when I realized Sannah isn't real.
Speaker 3: Was that like last year or it's like I'm like
Speaker 3: an original like Santa Truther, Like I I was the
Speaker 3: kid that uh I think I was in kindergarten and
Speaker 3: I didn't look with the whole Santa thing just didn't
Speaker 3: really make sense to me.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, wait, you rooted for the other kids.
Speaker 2: I did, but I didn't mean too. I thought I
Speaker 2: was doing them right.
Speaker 3: But and so I like, my you know, when you
Speaker 3: hear the story, I'm like none of this checks out right,
Speaker 3: Like so this guy flies here from the.
Speaker 2: You know, like, I'm like, he gets downe just me.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that story.
Speaker 2: How does he get it done? Every night? House?
Speaker 3: After how I'm like none of this around the world
Speaker 3: and like none of this makes sense. And so I
Speaker 3: like stayed up all night and I'm like, I wonder
Speaker 3: what I'm going to see, and so I wanted to
Speaker 3: like catch you know whatever. And so I saw my
Speaker 3: parents wrapping presents and putting under the Christmas tree. And
Speaker 3: then I confronted my mom about it the next day
Speaker 3: and like asked her a bunch of questions, and she
Speaker 3: didn't want to lie to me because she felt like,
Speaker 3: obviously as a parent, it's the beauty to be honest.
Speaker 3: So she told me the truth. And then I went
Speaker 3: to school and I was like, you guys, we've been
Speaker 3: lied to. Wow, her parents are lying to us, Like
Speaker 3: the jig is up. Everyone needs to know. And then
Speaker 3: my mom got a lot of really angry.
Speaker 2: Phone calls from there. It's being like, what is wrong
Speaker 2: with your kid?
Speaker 1: You know, Jews are instructed by their parents not to
Speaker 1: ruin it or not for the Christian kids, like the.
Speaker 2: Guys they were wise enough or not.
Speaker 1: And then me totally Santa, Yes, and you were like,
Speaker 1: I've done the research, moked into the evidence, and guys,
Speaker 1: I have some news.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm like you, guys, we've been lied to and U
Speaker 3: you need to know spread the word.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure your parents enjoyed that very much, for.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you this is why I try to do
Speaker 2: everything I can to help my parents out now, because
Speaker 2: I'm like it aft even.
Speaker 3: Sorry I got Santa thing, yes exactly, well lives along
Speaker 3: the lust.
Speaker 1: Well, I have obviously loved this conversation. I love all
Speaker 1: of our conversations. I think that we should just do
Speaker 1: this over tequila next time if you're you know, in
Speaker 1: a mood for that. But and us here with your
Speaker 1: best Lisa Booth tip for my listeners on how they
Speaker 1: can live better lives.
Speaker 3: So I would say take risks. And I realized that
Speaker 3: it's more difficult for some. You know, obviously, if you
Speaker 3: have a family of mouths to feed, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: that's what makes things a little bit more difficult. So
Speaker 3: I'm understanding of that. But I think taking risk is
Speaker 3: really important. Like I had interviewed for a job for
Speaker 3: a Senate race, the one that actually ironically I did
Speaker 3: TV for the first time, which led me down this career.
Speaker 3: But I think I interviewed on like Wednesday, found out
Speaker 3: I got the job on the Friday, and then I
Speaker 3: had moved to Wisconsin on that Monday. And so in
Speaker 3: the span of just a few days, I'd gotten a job,
Speaker 3: interviewed for job, got it, and then moved to a
Speaker 3: totally new state where I didn't know anyone, you know.
Speaker 3: And so I think that just being able to take risk,
Speaker 3: I think can kind of help because I think sometimes people,
Speaker 3: you know, they want what's safe, and sometimes what is
Speaker 3: safe I think can keep you from achieving everything you
Speaker 3: are capable of.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I think that stepping outside of that safety
Speaker 1: is actually where the success happens. It's just hard to
Speaker 1: do sometimes, but.
Speaker 3: You don't want to be an idiot about it, like yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like I know, I'm not you know, like I
Speaker 3: thought I could sing when I was growing up, and
Speaker 3: I asked my mom one day and she said, she said,
Speaker 3: there were a lot of things I was good at
Speaker 3: and singing was not one of them, and to focus
Speaker 3: on these other things so that you know, you don't
Speaker 3: want to be like an idiot, like I'm I'm not
Speaker 3: going at your row.
Speaker 2: You might be the same as singer, and then you
Speaker 2: know that's within reason, right.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think if you try doing it
Speaker 1: on the weekends and see what happens.
Speaker 2: I think that I would probably have tomatoes thrown at me.
Speaker 2: If that's still a thing.
Speaker 1: I'll be there to defend you, so that's not going
Speaker 1: to happen.
Speaker 2: You would take a tomato for me.
Speaker 1: I would take a tomato for you.
Speaker 2: That as a friend, that really is.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. She is Lisa Booth.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Lisa, I love you.
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