1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: It's so nice to be back with you all. Happy 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: New Year. The most asked question in my emails and 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: dms over the last few weeks has been how did 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: you do with your fiction reading New Year's Resolution from 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: last year? Poorly? Friends, I did poorly. I completed only 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: nine fiction books and many many half books. I just 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 1: I can't finish books that I don't like it. I 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: wish I could, I just can't do it. My favorite 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: fiction book that I read in the last year was 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: City of Thieves. I think I mentioned it maybe shortly 12 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: after I read it at the beginning of the year, 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: and then the rest were just okay, not really worth 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: mentioning and not that recommendable. But City of Thieves very good. 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: Check it out. I already finished a book this year's 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: pretty good. It's called The Midnight Library by Matt Haig. 17 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: I picked it up on a whim and tore through 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: it on just two flights. To be fair, those flights 19 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: did not have internet. Maybe that's what I need. I 20 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: need for flights to stop having internet on board so 21 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: I'll actually read the books that I carry with me. 22 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: Midnight Library is about a woman about to kill herself 23 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: who gets the option to go and live a lot 24 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: of different versions of her life to see which she 25 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: likes best. 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 2: I liked it. 27 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: It was good. I mean again, I can't say it 28 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: was like the greatest book ever, but I enjoyed it 29 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: for what it was. I also guessed the ending pretty 30 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: early on, but my daughter says, I'm annoying like that, 31 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: and I really can't hold it against the book. Now 32 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: I'm reading Submission by I'm going to butcher this French name, 33 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: but Michelle Wellbach, and it's very good. It's one of 34 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: those books that had been recommended to me many times 35 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: over the years, and I'm finally getting around to it. 36 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: And to be honest, I didn't realize it was fiction, 37 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: or I would have read it much sooner. I read 38 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: so much nonfiction already that I just didn't want to 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: add another nonfiction book to the pile. Why do I 40 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: talk so much about reading and why that's important to me. 41 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: I used to be a major reader. I used to 42 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: read all the time, NonStop, and it got harder and 43 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: harder as I got older to read for fun. I 44 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: blame my children. Okay, I actually blame my husband because 45 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 1: it started happening shortly after we got married. But it's 46 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: probably most blamed on the attention span that I lose 47 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: bit by bit by being on the internet so much 48 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: so my two things often go hand in hand. Less 49 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: internet more reading. The other part is one of the 50 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: questions I ask my guests is what do you worry about? Well, 51 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: I worry when I'm reading fiction. It's like you lose 52 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: yourself in another world and then you come up for 53 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: air and your own and that just fills me with possibility. 54 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 1: I feel very motivated after I read fiction. So I'm 55 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: going to repeat the challenge this year and try to 56 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: read more fiction. Please join me. I'd love to hear 57 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: what books you're reading, and if you want to send 58 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: in your suggestions or tell me anything else, drop me 59 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: a line at Carol Markowitz Show at gmail dot com. 60 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: Coming up my interview with Lisa Booth. But first, the 61 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: new year is a time of reflection on the past 62 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: year and hope for the year to come. 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Hi, and welcome 79 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest 80 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: today is Lisa Booth. Lisa is a Fox News contributor, 81 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: host of The Truth with Lisa Booth and one of 82 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: my all time, very best friends and just all around 83 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: favorite people. Ailita. 84 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 2: Hey, Carol, I love you, I love you. I'm so excited. 85 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 2: I know Mike, what are you gonna ask? 86 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: Mate? I can't believe it's taken this long, but I 87 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: wanted you to be my first interview of twenty twenty five. 88 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: Happy New Year, by the way. 89 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 3: You zero, Yeah, we're in twenty twenty four. Actually I'm 90 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 3: okay with saying goodbye to twenty twenty four. Right, So 91 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 3: we've got Trump and office, all jades, things ahead, hopefully 92 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,119 Speaker 3: fingers crossed, so god willing. 93 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: There's absolutely been a vibe shift. I feel like everybody's 94 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: so optimistic heading into this year, and yeah, why not? 95 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: And we're going to see a lot of each other, 96 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: so really can't get better than that? 97 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: Well? Absolutely, I always love hanging out with you. We 98 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: have the best. We have too much fun. 99 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: Seems Oh, we're not gonna remember we're not going to 100 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: talk about that. 101 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: Okay, fine, no, no, go ahead, go ahead. I remember 102 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: what I made you take it to quila show. 103 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: Yes, I do remember that. I had like a four 104 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: am flight the next day, or I had to be 105 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: get up at four am and Lisa comes back from 106 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: the bar with a tray of shots for everybody, and 107 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: you just knew that that morning the next day was 108 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: it was gonna hurt a little, but it was worth it. 109 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 3: It was although I'm on a no drinking kick right now, 110 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: so we'll not how long this can go. 111 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: So how's that going. 112 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: It's great, honestly, you know, it's like I've never had 113 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 2: a problem. Just for the record, right, but just to 114 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: get that out of the way. But you know, it's 115 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: like even when you get older. 116 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 3: Like even two glasses of wine, you know, you feel 117 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: like crap the next day and you wake up and 118 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 3: you're groggy, and I've just been so busy lately that 119 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 3: I'm like, you know what, and I'm trying to get 120 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 3: in like really good shape, and so I'm just like, 121 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 3: you know what, I don't need to I don't need 122 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: to have like my time and my ability to get 123 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 3: things done diminished by being hungover, even in the slightest 124 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: And so you know, I'm just gonna maybe see if 125 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 3: i can go thirty days and then see what else. 126 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 3: And just I've been waking up refreshed and super productive. 127 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 3: We share a producer, John. He's he could probably tell 128 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 3: you that He's like, maybe you should go back to 129 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 3: having a couple, you know, because I'm like, let's do this, 130 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 3: let's do that. 131 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: Thing, you know, So he's like, enough enough of this, Yeah, 132 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: please stop. It's funny. I make the joke on here 133 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: a lot that I try to drink more because I 134 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: just don't feel like I drink anywhere near enough. Like 135 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: I have a humongous barre at home with all these 136 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: different kinds of like cool alcohol, and I love whiskey. 137 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm you know, really into like rise and bourbons, but 138 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: I just never remember to drink. So I'm always like, 139 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: I drink more. But I get you where I can 140 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: have more than two, absolutely not more than two, and 141 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: the night is ruined. The next day is ruined if 142 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: you do hit a certain age where where two is 143 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: the limit. But I want to hear how this goes, 144 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: you know, I want to hear how all this turns out. 145 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: I'm rooting for you, except for the nights when we're together, 146 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: in which case I'm going to be a really bad influence. 147 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 3: I know. I feel, well, that's so fun. I don't 148 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 3: need to Yeah, Like I am very fun, right, so 149 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 3: I don't be drinking to be fun you really sadly way, Yeah, 150 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 3: it'll be funny if we do another interview and we're 151 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 3: like sport. Remember when I told you you were still 152 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 3: fun without it, I was a lie. 153 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: No, you're definitely still fun without it. I have seen 154 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: you not during this time, not drinking, and yeah, you've 155 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: been awesome means so much fun. You're still a bad 156 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: influence on the rest of us, exactly, exactly. So I 157 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: find you to be just fascinating and super smart but 158 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: also super wise. And this show is about, you know, 159 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: living better and all of that. So I want to 160 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: get into what would you say to like, what advice 161 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: would you give to the Lisa Booth of sixteen years old? 162 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 3: So actually, I would give myself the advice of being 163 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 3: nicer to my parents and treating them with more respect, 164 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 3: because I think it's one of those things that you 165 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 3: know obviously when you well, look, I was. I was 166 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,479 Speaker 3: a tough child to raise. I've always been extremely independent, 167 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: you know, I have a lot of opinions, obviously, hence 168 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 3: working in this industry. 169 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 2: And so I was stubborn, right. I was always loving. 170 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 3: And I always loved my parents, but you know, I 171 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: was challenging, right, And so as you get older, you 172 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 3: just you appreciate your parents more and you realize everything 173 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 3: they've done for you. And so I wish I could 174 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: go back because it eats like you, we don't know 175 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: how much time, but God's going to give us or 176 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 3: parents and the people we love, and so I wish 177 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 3: I could go back and just always treat them with 178 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 3: the utmost respect and. 179 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: Because they deserve that, you know. 180 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 3: And I'm sure, if you know, hopefully God willing, when 181 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 3: I have kids, I'm probably going to get it from them. 182 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: So let me assure you you will. 183 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, like God's probably going to be like you deserve 184 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: this one, Lise, like enjoy. 185 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: No, but it's a good point. Look, I have my 186 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: mom staying with me right now. She's amazing, She does 187 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: tons of stuff for us, She's just awesome. 188 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: But you know, there are. 189 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: Some challenges and challenges from from my side, and it 190 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: is a struggle sometimes to treat them the way that 191 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: they deserve to be treated. So I fully expect my 192 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: kids to behave the same way as me, though I 193 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: don't have any illusions that they're going to be better. 194 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 3: But can I say one thing that I really I've 195 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: always really admired about you because like I do adore you, 196 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 3: I love you like just such an amazing person. 197 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 2: You're an incredible friend. 198 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 3: But like I feel like you've got it figured out, 199 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 3: you know, and it's hard. No, you do from an outsider, 200 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 3: I know you probably don't say that, right, no, but 201 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: it's like you love your kids and you're very present 202 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 3: for your kids. You love your husband. I've seen you 203 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: guys together, like there's so much love there. You have 204 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 3: a great marriage, and then you're also you know, kicking 205 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 3: butt in your career as well, and I feel like 206 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 3: it's very hard to like do all of those things 207 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 3: at once, and then you still, you know, go out 208 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: occasionally and have a good time. So it's like I 209 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: feel like you've got like the recipe figured out, and 210 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 3: I'm like out there still buying ingredients. 211 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: From like you've baked the cake and it's nice. I'm 212 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: totally you know. 213 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. I like to say, you know what, 214 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: people like, how do you do it? I do it poorly? 215 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: Like I just don't. I know you probably feel that way, 216 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: but you don't. 217 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 3: Like from I see you know, I see you and 218 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 3: like the way you operate and like I admire that. 219 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 3: So it's I know it's not easy, but you're you're 220 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 3: very present and all the things that you're doing, and 221 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 3: I think, like that's not hard to do or that's 222 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 3: not easy to do. 223 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: Rather thank you, thank you. This is going to be 224 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: the Mutual Appreciation Society interview. Sure, I kind of felt 225 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: like this is how it was going to go. We'd 226 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: be like, I love you, No, I love you. Now 227 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: you're swa. 228 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 2: People listening are gonna be like, oh. 229 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: My, these two hopefully they're still hungover from New Years exactly. 230 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: Did you always want to be on TV? 231 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: No, I like it. It never even occurred to me 232 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 3: to be I just never even thought that. I don't know, 233 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: I really never even considered it. I didn't consider it 234 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 3: until so. I was always the political route. So I 235 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 3: was a political science major in college, went to work 236 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 3: on Capitol Hill when I graduated, you know, did that, 237 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 3: worked on campaigns, like did that whole thing. And I 238 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 3: was working on a Senate race at the time, and 239 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 3: my boss was like, you're doing spin room after the debate, 240 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 3: and so the spin room for those listening if you're unaware, 241 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 3: basically afterwards, either the candidate or someone from the team, 242 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 3: the team goes out and like gives the hey, you know, 243 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: addresses the media and you know, to the effect of 244 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 3: being like we won because of X, Y and Z 245 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 3: and you know, you kind of go out and you 246 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 3: make your declaration, you take questions from me. Yeah, and 247 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 3: so he was like, that's what you're doing tonight. And 248 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 3: I'm like, I have never been on TV, like I 249 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 3: don't know, you know, and he was like, it's not 250 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: a question, it's like a directive, like you're doing this, 251 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: and so I was like, oh man, So yeah, during 252 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: the debate, I'm like furiously taking notes and really just 253 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: trying to like pay attention to everything that was said. 254 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: I prepare like my remarks and what I was going 255 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: to go do. 256 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:19,599 Speaker 3: And I went out there and like the this is 257 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 3: in Wisconsin, the Wisconsin Press Corps. 258 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: They're brutal, like they're very left wing. They hated my candidate. 259 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 3: So I go out there, I give my statement, I'm 260 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 3: taking the income, and I'm like, man, this is so 261 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 3: much fun. Like I freaking loved it. And then so 262 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 3: after that they're like, Okay, you're doing TV for the 263 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 3: rest of the campaign cycle because I guess they thought 264 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 3: I was good at it and I enjoyed it. And 265 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 3: so after that, I, you know, I went back to 266 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 3: Capitol Hill and I kind of had in the back 267 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 3: of my mind that this is something I'd like to 268 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 3: do at some point. And then, you know, fast forward, 269 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 3: I found myself not working on Capitol Hill anymore and 270 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 3: was able to start doing it for the first time. 271 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 3: And then it's just like one thing led to another 272 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 3: and now I'm here. It was a lot of work, 273 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 3: don't get me wrong. Me Like I was paying to 274 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 3: take the bus up to New York to do shows 275 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 3: on my own dime when I wasn't making you know, 276 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: I wasn't making up with money. But and then that 277 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 3: just kind of kicked off something in me of being like, Wow, 278 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 3: there was something about this I just love. 279 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: Was it the arguing that you enjoyed? 280 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 3: You know? 281 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: Could that be it? Harol? 282 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: And no, one's uh, you know, I do enjoy you know, 283 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 2: like my mom. 284 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 3: My mom always used to say, if I could, just 285 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 3: like harness that power for good, it would be very productive. 286 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: Like I remember, I, well, I don't know if I 287 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 2: should tell well, I asked her. 288 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 3: I was in I think I was like elementary school 289 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 3: or something, and I went to a private Christian school 290 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 3: at the time, and so this girl accused me of 291 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 3: stealing the communion and I did not, so I slapped 292 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 3: her because I'm like, how dare you you know I 293 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 3: did not do. 294 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: This in the communion. She's lucky she got away with 295 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: just a slap. 296 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. So then I went to the principal's office and 297 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 3: he was like, you can't. You shouldn't be doing that. 298 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 3: You know, I can't remember. This is like forever ago, 299 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 3: but basically the gist of it, or at least what was, 300 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 3: you know, told to my mom and then now that 301 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: I know, because you know, you don't always remember everything 302 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 3: exactly from middle school, but I remember slapping her, but 303 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 3: and then going to the principal's office. But and then 304 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 3: he like basically he was like, you know, why did 305 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 3: you slapper? And I'm like, well, she's stealed. She accused 306 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: me of stealing the communion and like what's worse slapping 307 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 3: someone or lying? And he was like who, like what, 308 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 3: like who are you? You know? 309 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: And then so I didn't end up lapping ma'am. 310 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and like but I really didn't end up getting 311 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 3: in trouble. He just like told my mom, and my 312 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 3: mom was like, why did you let her? 313 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 2: You know what I like? 314 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 3: And so there's always like these situations where I was 315 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 3: able to kind of like, you know, your thing. 316 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: Have it yeah, talk my way out. 317 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 3: And my mom was just always like, we just need 318 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 3: to know harness this and focus this on goods. 319 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, as long as she doesn't become like a war criminal. 320 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: Exactly. 321 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: More with Lisa in a moment. 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Oh my god, Caro, What don't 349 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: I worry about? 350 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: Really? 351 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: You see so like optimistic I am, but I worry 352 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,479 Speaker 2: about Like it's just my mind. I'm very like analytical. 353 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 3: I'm always thinking about things, a very hard time turning 354 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 3: my brain off, and so it's a challenge of mine. 355 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: That's something I've worked on as I've gotten older about, 356 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 3: you know, realizing that things are outside of our control 357 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 3: and just kind of like giving up to God and 358 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 3: letting go of things. 359 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: But it's not always easy, you know. 360 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 3: Look, I was really worried about the direction of the 361 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: country before the election, like terrified. It was keeping me 362 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 3: up at night. I mean, heading into the election, I 363 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 3: couldn't sleep. I had so much anxiety and then you know, 364 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 3: now I obviously feel much better about that because we're 365 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 3: in good hands with President Trump. You know, I worry 366 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 3: personally about you know, with my career, I'm always asking myself, 367 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 3: am I doing enough? Should I be doing more? Am 368 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 3: I far along as I should be? You don't have 369 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 3: a family yet, so I worry about am I going 370 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: to be able to do that? 371 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: Am I? 372 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: Like? 373 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: You know? 374 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 3: So? Yeah, So I worry about a lot of things. 375 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: I think it's sort of a you know, a little 376 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 3: bit of human nature to worry. How do you get 377 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 3: more of active mind? 378 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: How do you talk yourself down on those ledges? 379 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 3: You know, honestly it's talking to my parents. My parents 380 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 3: are very good at kind of like, you know, sort 381 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: of rewinding those thoughts. And then also like exercising, going 382 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 3: for walks. You know, for me, I played sports my 383 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 3: whole entire life, so I'm like really into I've got 384 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 3: to work out, you know, so just going walks, clearing 385 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 3: my mind and just kind of realizing that, you know, 386 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 3: we're we're not in control of everything, and uh, you know, 387 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 3: just accepting things as there are. 388 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 2: What would you be. 389 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: Doing if you weren't doing this? Like, what would a 390 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: plan be for Lisa Boothby. 391 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 3: I mean, honest, I'd probably still be doing the whole 392 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 3: political thing. I've always just really loved politics. Like my 393 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 3: dad worked on Capitol Hill when I was growing up, 394 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 3: and he's always been kind of my I mean, I 395 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,239 Speaker 3: adore my mom as well, and I admire them and 396 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 3: go to them for different parts of life, but in 397 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 3: terms of career, I've always really looked up to my dad, 398 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 3: and so he's always ask him questions about Capitol Hill 399 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 3: and politics growing up, and he would never treat me 400 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 3: like a kid and just be like, oh, you know, 401 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 3: like you would have these conversations with me and inform me, 402 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 3: and like he's testified before before Congress, not for anything 403 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: bad as a as a policy you know, as a 404 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 3: policy expert, and so I would go with him, you know. 405 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 3: So I just kind of really had this like admiration 406 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 3: for politics, and so I'd probably still i don't know, 407 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 3: maybe be on Capitol Hill, maybe you know, doing something 408 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 3: in politics, campaigns, you know, probably would have been working 409 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 3: on elections this past cycle. 410 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 2: He's right of center. 411 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've always been a Republican. I definitely have gotten 412 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: further to the right. I think there's been a cool thing. Yeah, right, exactly. Well, 413 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 3: it was Obama's time in office, and you know, seeing 414 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 3: the irs go after the tea party, and also sort 415 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 3: of being I was working at the nrc SEA during 416 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 3: the tea party as well, so sort of saying people 417 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 3: being like, you know what, like this is my government, 418 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 3: you know, not the other way around, Like you work 419 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 3: for us, we don't work for you. 420 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: And then obviously Cavanaugh was a big. 421 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 3: Part as well of just seeing the smearing of this 422 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 3: innocent man, what they did to Trump in twenty sixteen, 423 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 3: and then just witnessing all the rest of it that 424 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 3: they've done to them. You know, they trying to throw 425 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 3: him in jail and you know, really weaponize the government 426 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 3: against him in a way that is and it's anesthetical 427 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 3: to like what we're supposed to be as America. So 428 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 3: I've definitely gotten further to the right as I've gotten older. 429 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, a lot. 430 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: Of those are radicalizing moments for me too. 431 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: Them COVID, Oh my god, I didn't even know there 432 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 2: was that. 433 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, COVID you were actually we'll come back to meet 434 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: what radicalized me. But you were actually extremely outspoken on 435 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: COVID to the point where it harmed you a little 436 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: or you know, could have could have hurt your career. 437 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: But so why did you do it? 438 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 2: No, it did. It did hurt my career because it 439 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 2: was wrong. 440 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: And I'm a nerd, and you know, I was a 441 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: vice president appolling firm for a while, and so I'm 442 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,479 Speaker 3: used to working with data, and so I started reading 443 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: things like doctor John E. Needes, He's a world renown 444 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 3: epidemiologist for Stanford. He wrote a column in stat News 445 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: after the fifteen days to slow the spread, and he 446 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 3: was looking I think it was the Diamond Princess cruise shrip, 447 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 3: and he was looking at that as like a case study, 448 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 3: and his conclusion was that basically the COVID would end 449 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 3: up being roughly around the same fatality rate as the flu, 450 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 3: and that basically the reason the fatality rate was so 451 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 3: skewed is because we were only testing people who were 452 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 3: showing up at the hospital who were sick and dying, 453 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 3: and we were missing cases. And then like and then 454 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 3: you can go fast forward in April, and we had 455 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 3: these antibody study tests from Santa or from Stanford, from 456 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 3: in Santa Clara, California, as well as in New York 457 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 3: and we were finding that we were missing cases by 458 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 3: like up to eighty sold, meaning that the fatality rate 459 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 3: was significant less. Or you could go to July of 460 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one and there was an outbreak in Provincetown, Massachusetts, 461 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 3: and seventy five percent of basic case. 462 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: All like at the front of your note because you're like, 463 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna forget this. 464 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna because we shouldn't. 465 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 3: But then in seventy five percent of the cases and 466 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 3: that cluster were vaccinated. And then there was also a 467 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 3: study published in The Lancet basically saying the vaccines weren't 468 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 3: stopping in the thread of delta. So then the whole 469 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 3: purpose of getting vaccinated if you're young and healthy was 470 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 3: deemed irrelevant because it was a personal thing, not a 471 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 3: public thing, right, Like, you weren't protecting others if you 472 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 3: got vaccine, right. 473 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 2: So there's just these moments. 474 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: And then I became friends with all these people in 475 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 3: you know, these world were now and epidviologists and you know, 476 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 3: Martin kolderf and Jamadator like you know, you know, I 477 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 3: don't know if they call me a friend, but you know, 478 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 3: like they were giving me information and I was asking 479 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 3: questions and Martin McCarey and like all these people and 480 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 3: you know, and so I was learning from them, and 481 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 3: I felt that the truth needed to get out there. 482 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: And okay, so the truth of need is to get 483 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: out there. But it harmed you personally. Isn't there some 484 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: like line where you're like, I don't have I'm not 485 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: going to do this because I'm going to suffer. 486 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:11,959 Speaker 2: No. 487 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 3: And I remember having these conversations with my parents because 488 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 3: they were like, least you're really sticking your neck out there, 489 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 3: you know, you might get it chopped off. 490 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 2: And I was like, well, you know, then, so be it. 491 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,479 Speaker 3: Right. Like I was fully prepared when I moved down 492 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: to Florida that you know, I wouldn't be able to travel, right, 493 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 3: because there were talks about like not letting the unvaccinate 494 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 3: and fly, and so I was just like, all right, well, 495 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 3: I guess there's worse places to be hunkered down, and 496 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 3: you know, Lina. 497 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: Will just never leave Florida. 498 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I was fully prepared, you know. 499 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: And then there was a moment too, like I think 500 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 3: Amicron really deprogrammed people, because up until that point, like 501 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 3: people were radical with it. And then I think omicron 502 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 3: because it was so if everyone know it exactly that 503 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 3: even the people who were like, oh you're dirty, something's 504 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 3: wrong with you if you get COVID, they got it 505 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, it's not that bad. 506 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember this ADA clearly. Yeah. 507 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: And once they had it, they were like, oh, this 508 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: is nothing, like really it's nothing. Yes, that's what we've 509 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: been saying exactly. But it took that. It took that. 510 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: It took them getting it and seeing that it was 511 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: not a big deal in order for them to understand. 512 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: I just it's unfortunate that so many people couldn't. I've 513 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 1: never had COVID, not that I know of, and I 514 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: had my antibodies tested two different times, like after being sick, 515 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: and I've never had it, so I understood that without 516 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: getting sick myself, like why couldn't they make that leap? 517 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: But but yeah, that was a very radicalizing time and 518 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to allow the same kind 519 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: of thing to go down in the same way again. 520 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: But I always worry that we're not seeing like what 521 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: the future problem will be and we're going to just 522 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, follow it the same way. But I do 523 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: like that we've kind of woken up as a country 524 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: somewhat and all the radicalizing things that you've talked about. 525 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,239 Speaker 1: I think that they moved a lot of people like 526 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: them searching more A lago was for me this moment 527 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: of like, wow, they have stepped over the line. And 528 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: I've seen not very political people make that same comment, 529 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: like that was a line for them. They searched this 530 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: man's home, they were in you know, Malania's shoe closet. 531 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: That is beyond well. 532 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you know with Ray, Christopher Ray 533 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 3: stepping down, you know, you have that letter from Senator 534 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 3: Chuck Grassley, who's going to be the incoming Senate Judiciary chairman, 535 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 3: and like he's not a hyperbolic guy, right, like I've 536 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 3: had him on my podcast. He's very mild mannered. He's statesman. 537 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 3: And he outlined in the eleven pages of all the 538 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 3: egregious examples of why Christopher Ray needed to leave and 539 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 3: why he had no confidence in him. And that was 540 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 3: one of the reasons listed was the unprecedented rate against 541 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 3: Donald Trump with thirty armed FBI agents with essentially, you know, 542 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 3: authorized to use lethal force if needed. And then they 543 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 3: didn't do that with Hillary Clinton, who mishandled classified information 544 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 3: or Joe Biden. But they did do that with Donald Trump. 545 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 3: So again, you know, continuously on the receiving end of 546 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 3: you know, the weapon is a of government that he's 547 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 3: been on. 548 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: Do you have a like earlier radicalizing moment, because like 549 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: mine was, for example, election two thousand, it was the 550 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: first moment I was like, wait, the Democrats are trying 551 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: to steal this selection. And I was like, oh I 552 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: I mean I was always right of center, but I 553 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: was like, I want to be more involved in this, 554 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: Like they're absolutely trying to steal the selection, and I 555 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: want to be more into this. 556 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 2: Probably when I realized Sannah isn't real. 557 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 3: Was that like last year or it's like I'm like 558 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 3: an original like Santa Truther, Like I I was the 559 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 3: kid that uh I think I was in kindergarten and 560 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 3: I didn't look with the whole Santa thing just didn't 561 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 3: really make sense to me. 562 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 2: And I'm like, wait, you rooted for the other kids. 563 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 2: I did, but I didn't mean too. I thought I 564 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 2: was doing them right. 565 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 3: But and so I like, my you know, when you 566 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 3: hear the story, I'm like none of this checks out right, 567 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 3: Like so this guy flies here from the. 568 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: You know, like, I'm like, he gets downe just me. 569 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: It wasn't that story. 570 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 2: How does he get it done? Every night? House? 571 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 3: After how I'm like none of this around the world 572 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 3: and like none of this makes sense. And so I 573 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 3: like stayed up all night and I'm like, I wonder 574 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 3: what I'm going to see, and so I wanted to 575 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: like catch you know whatever. And so I saw my 576 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 3: parents wrapping presents and putting under the Christmas tree. And 577 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 3: then I confronted my mom about it the next day 578 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 3: and like asked her a bunch of questions, and she 579 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 3: didn't want to lie to me because she felt like, 580 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 3: obviously as a parent, it's the beauty to be honest. 581 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 3: So she told me the truth. And then I went 582 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 3: to school and I was like, you guys, we've been 583 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 3: lied to. Wow, her parents are lying to us, Like 584 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 3: the jig is up. Everyone needs to know. And then 585 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 3: my mom got a lot of really angry. 586 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 2: Phone calls from there. It's being like, what is wrong 587 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: with your kid? 588 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: You know, Jews are instructed by their parents not to 589 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: ruin it or not for the Christian kids, like the. 590 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 2: Guys they were wise enough or not. 591 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: And then me totally Santa, Yes, and you were like, 592 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: I've done the research, moked into the evidence, and guys, 593 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: I have some news. 594 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 595 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 3: I'm like you, guys, we've been lied to and U 596 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 3: you need to know spread the word. 597 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure your parents enjoyed that very much, for. 598 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 2: I'm telling you this is why I try to do 599 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 2: everything I can to help my parents out now, because 600 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 2: I'm like it aft even. 601 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 3: Sorry I got Santa thing, yes exactly, well lives along 602 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 3: the lust. 603 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: Well, I have obviously loved this conversation. I love all 604 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: of our conversations. I think that we should just do 605 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 1: this over tequila next time if you're you know, in 606 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: a mood for that. But and us here with your 607 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: best Lisa Booth tip for my listeners on how they 608 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: can live better lives. 609 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 3: So I would say take risks. And I realized that 610 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 3: it's more difficult for some. You know, obviously, if you 611 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 3: have a family of mouths to feed, uh, you know, 612 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 3: that's what makes things a little bit more difficult. So 613 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 3: I'm understanding of that. But I think taking risk is 614 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 3: really important. Like I had interviewed for a job for 615 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 3: a Senate race, the one that actually ironically I did 616 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 3: TV for the first time, which led me down this career. 617 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 3: But I think I interviewed on like Wednesday, found out 618 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 3: I got the job on the Friday, and then I 619 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 3: had moved to Wisconsin on that Monday. And so in 620 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 3: the span of just a few days, I'd gotten a job, 621 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 3: interviewed for job, got it, and then moved to a 622 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 3: totally new state where I didn't know anyone, you know. 623 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 3: And so I think that just being able to take risk, 624 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 3: I think can kind of help because I think sometimes people, 625 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 3: you know, they want what's safe, and sometimes what is 626 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 3: safe I think can keep you from achieving everything you 627 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 3: are capable of. 628 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I think that stepping outside of that safety 629 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: is actually where the success happens. It's just hard to 630 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: do sometimes, but. 631 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 3: You don't want to be an idiot about it, like yeah, 632 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 3: it's like I know, I'm not you know, like I 633 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 3: thought I could sing when I was growing up, and 634 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 3: I asked my mom one day and she said, she said, 635 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 3: there were a lot of things I was good at 636 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 3: and singing was not one of them, and to focus 637 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 3: on these other things so that you know, you don't 638 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 3: want to be like an idiot, like I'm I'm not 639 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 3: going at your row. 640 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: You might be the same as singer, and then you 641 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 2: know that's within reason, right. 642 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think if you try doing it 643 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: on the weekends and see what happens. 644 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: I think that I would probably have tomatoes thrown at me. 645 00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: If that's still a thing. 646 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: I'll be there to defend you, so that's not going 647 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: to happen. 648 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 2: You would take a tomato for me. 649 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: I would take a tomato for you. 650 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: That as a friend, that really is. 651 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. She is Lisa Booth. 652 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: You're on her show, The Truth with Lisa Booth. 653 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Lisa, I love you. 654 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marco 655 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: wid Show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.