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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, April twenty fourth, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen,

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Speaker 1: episode number six. Welcome to another edition of The Break.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Nick, Dave in Spanish and in

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Speaker 1: How's everybody this morning? Great? From this mid day? Good?

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Speaker 1: We ready for draft? Yes? Yeah, you've been working on

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Speaker 1: this for a while, Dave. It's like Christmas. I love.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the best weeks of the year.

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Speaker 1: I think this is my three favorite days that don't

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Speaker 1: actually involve football being played. Okay, yeah, yeah, not the games, No,

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Speaker 1: I mean football season in general. Labor Day to Christmas

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Speaker 1: is better than the rest of the year always. But

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Speaker 1: this is nice, good. So let's talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about draft. And I wanted to take it a little

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Speaker 1: so I don't expect that you're going to get a

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Speaker 1: whole ton of you know, here's who the Cowboys should

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Speaker 1: and they were doing a similar thing, but there was

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Speaker 1: it was all based on this article that I that

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Speaker 1: that I read that Bucky Brooks produced on NFL dot com.

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Speaker 1: And the contention, the whole contention of the article was

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Speaker 1: that based on his experience and the other guy who

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Speaker 1: works with Daniel Jeremiah, who's also a former scout, both

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Speaker 1: of them being former scouts, Um, they kind of came

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Speaker 1: up with this formula of what they said a super

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Speaker 1: Bowl contending team should be. Here the ingredients that a

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Speaker 1: And so I wanted to talk about number one, that

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Speaker 1: formula that they put together. But then also as a

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Speaker 1: based upon this formula, one of which being the twenty

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Speaker 1: talking about the draft in a roundabout way. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: here about the draft and how this is good this

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Speaker 1: but for nothing. We're starting by talking about this from

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Speaker 1: the standpoint of how you might want to say that

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Speaker 1: around right. Um. We we're talking about this from the

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Speaker 1: standpoint though, of how a team is constructed, how a

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Speaker 1: the former scout Bucky Brooks who writes for NFL dot

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Speaker 1: kind of what we think about the franchise quarterback idea.

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Speaker 1: We talked about the offensive line, we talked about the

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Speaker 1: defensive playmakers. The other thing that was curious to me

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Speaker 1: is that he said the Cowboys have three offensive playmakers. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He named Zeke which we agree on, Amari Cooper obviously,

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Speaker 1: and then he mentioned Jason Witten. My question for you

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Speaker 1: guys is should the Cowboys go into this season expecting

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Speaker 1: that Jason Witten will be a playmaker of that caliber

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Speaker 1: for this team after being off for an entire year. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't really think you can expect that, And I

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Speaker 1: don't know if he was really a playmaker. He was

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Speaker 1: not that caliber before he retired, So no, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I wouldn't put him in there, really, I

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Speaker 1: kind of I will make the argument that that's I

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Speaker 1: do think maybe maybe not toward the end of right

504
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Speaker 1: before you tire, but his career I think is marked

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Speaker 1: by being That was what was so remarkable to me

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Speaker 1: about him is he was a playmaker. There were moments

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Speaker 1: in games where teams wanted to take him away and

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Speaker 1: they couldn't take him away. He wasn't fast, he wasn't quick,

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Speaker 1: but it just worked like he had a way of

510
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Speaker 1: finding a way to get open and Vall gets to

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Speaker 1: him and he makes the catch. Now, he's not gonna

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Speaker 1: run for most times, not gonna run for some long

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Speaker 1: run after the catch, but he'll get you that needed

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Speaker 1: first down at critical moments in games. Right, So from

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Speaker 1: that standpoint, I do think he was a playmaker. I

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Speaker 1: just don't know that. I think he is still a

517
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Speaker 1: playmaker that that remains to be seen. For me, was one.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't put him in there right now. I think

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Speaker 1: you're being liberal with the definition of playmaker. And Jason

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Speaker 1: Witten has a useful purpose and everything you just said

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Speaker 1: is true. He can help this offense. He can know

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Speaker 1: like he's a genius. He's got a master's degree in

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Speaker 1: route running and finding the open space. Those they do,

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Speaker 1: they do. Actually that's hanging over locker. Um, yeah, it's tennis.

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Speaker 1: It's the nine Pro Bowl Stars. That's here you go

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Speaker 1: or whatever. Ten eleven. I'm like, I don't count him. Um,

527
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Speaker 1: he can do all that stuff. He'll be there on

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Speaker 1: third down and he'll probably catch somewhere between two and

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Speaker 1: five touchdowns, which he touchdowns have never been the big

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Speaker 1: thing for him. I don't know which. And again, what's

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Speaker 1: what are we calling a playmaker? Like? I think a

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Speaker 1: playmaker can be a guy that in critical moments moves

533
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 1: a chain for you regularly, that's a playmaker. Playmaker, in

534
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Speaker 1: my opinion, is a guy who, like you, hold your

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Speaker 1: breath because when the ball's going his way, you don't

536
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Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. Like, playmaker to me is like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Dad threw this eighteen yard passed to Amari Cooper and

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Speaker 1: now he's running eighty yards for a touchdown. Like that's

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Speaker 1: a playmaker. That's the case. I don't know how in

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Speaker 1: the world Bucky Brooks Brooks because that's never been Jason

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Speaker 1: Witten's game. So how in the world could he put

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Speaker 1: Jason Witten. You have to tie in Dak Prescott and

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Speaker 1: what Jason means to Dak Prescott safety blankets. You're yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I thought that's where you were going. But go ahead,

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Speaker 1: as your point, well, just having him there, if whether

546
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Speaker 1: that's catching or blocking, just having went in there, and

547
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Speaker 1: what he means, how he helps death and especially like

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Speaker 1: for example, what he can do in the red zone,

549
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Speaker 1: in the end zone, you know where the Cowboys had

550
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: so many troubles last year. Plugging him back in, whether

551
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Speaker 1: or not he's the one catching that ball, is still

552
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Speaker 1: going to be a difference maker. I do agree with that.

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00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: I agree that. I agree with that, But what I'm

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Speaker 1: saying is is that he's putting all this while your

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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. Is this the reason why he would be

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Speaker 1: in the conversation as of being a franchise quarterback is

557
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Speaker 1: because he is an offensive playmaker. He is one of

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Speaker 1: your guys. He and he's one of the guys that

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Speaker 1: when you get down in the red zone he needs

560
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: to have. You know, his ability to roll out there

561
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Speaker 1: and make plays is what you know. The past to

562
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Speaker 1: Beasley one of his greatest plays ever against the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was his mobility to get out there,

564
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: the arm strength to throw it, rolland left like that.

565
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: He probably could have run it as well. That's a playmaker.

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Speaker 1: And um, you can't tell me that when Carolina was

567
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: doing its thing a couple of years ago that Cam

568
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: Newton wasn't a franchise quarterback and an offensive playmaker for

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Speaker 1: them and other defense when they're you know, trying to

570
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: plan what they're gonna do on the field, they're gonna

571
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: pay more attention to it. With Jason Witten, then Blake

572
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: Jarwin or Dalton Schultz or whoever else is in there.

573
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: Difference maker for sure. Yeah, playmaker. Like you know, back

574
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: in the day, ESPN used to have a three minute

575
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: highlight package where they covered every single meaningful play in

576
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: the game, and now it's more like twenty seconds. If

577
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Speaker 1: you're a playmaker, then your highlights are in that twenty seconds.

578
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like you tell the story

579
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: of the Eagles game in Amari Cooper play not showing

580
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: I mean borderline guys. I mean if if Jason Witten

581
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: was a playmaker at some point, Rainal Cobbs certainly was

582
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: that well at that I was going next, That's what

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Speaker 1: I was going to My question was gonna be from

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Speaker 1: what we've seen so far, and I'll make the argument

585
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Speaker 1: for two. Do you think Gallop or Cobb ends up

586
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Speaker 1: being really your third playmaker on this team on this

587
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: on Williams, Hey, well, I hope not. Then you drafted

588
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: I did, but I hope. I mean, if he is

589
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: a playmaker for this team, that means Zeke's not on

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Speaker 1: the field necessarily. And I was gonna go there next.

591
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: But let's take one thing at a time. Do you

592
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: think Cobb or Gallop jump around? No, you think Cobber

593
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: Gallup have the potential, based on what you've seen in

594
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Speaker 1: their career so far, Yeah, have the potential to be

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Speaker 1: that third playmaker for theself. I do. I think Cobb

596
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Speaker 1: has has the ability to be that guy and I mean,

597
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: I think Beasley was a playmaker at times. And when

598
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: you get Whitten on there, you're gonna get tomorrow, you

599
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: getting Zeke. You know you can't cover everyone. And I

600
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: still think Cobb has the ability to do some things

601
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Speaker 1: like that, So I would put Randall Cobb in that ability.

602
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Speaker 1: And who'd you say? Cobb and Gallop? Gallop? And I

603
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: actually think Gallup has, in my opinion, has more of

604
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Speaker 1: an opportunity. You go to what dave definition of the playmaker,

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Speaker 1: the guy that you see in those highlights. I know

606
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Speaker 1: there were enough times last year when Cowboys took shots

607
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: and there was an opportunity and it was just a

608
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Speaker 1: little off. I expect that this year those seeing those

609
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Speaker 1: times when it was a little off, they should be

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Speaker 1: able to connect on those And if they do that

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Speaker 1: at that rate of the amount of times we saw

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Speaker 1: it last year, Gallup will be a guy that is

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Speaker 1: regularly being seen. He will be, for lack of a

614
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Speaker 1: better way to put it, your Alvin Harper, he will

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Speaker 1: be a guy that can go down feel and make

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Speaker 1: some plays and you're seeing it regular and defensive are

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Speaker 1: now having to think about Michael Gallops down the sideline.

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Speaker 1: Somebody better be back there to make sure if he

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Speaker 1: catches the ball, he didn't end up in the end zone. True,

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Speaker 1: I agree with that, and I mean I hope, I

621
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Speaker 1: hope the Cobbs signing pans out as well as I

622
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Speaker 1: can't as well as it could, because that you're talking

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Speaker 1: about a guy that averages sixty yards per season for

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Speaker 1: his career, and that's with a couple of injury hobbled seasons,

625
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: forty touchdowns, twelve yards per per catch for his career. Again,

626
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Speaker 1: all improvements over Jason Witten. No disrespect to him, but

627
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Speaker 1: that's I mean, he can do all the things Cole

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Speaker 1: Beasley can and adds more of a big play and

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Speaker 1: downfield element, and I think that could be huge. There's

630
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Speaker 1: a lot to like about this cob There is what

631
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Speaker 1: about missing inside joke? Okay, Nick likes to throw two

632
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Speaker 1: or three of those in there inside. You know what,

633
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Speaker 1: I think it's very exciting when you look at this roster,

634
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Speaker 1: especially in the offense. On the offense that it doesn't

635
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Speaker 1: matter who's being blocked. Let's say Amari Cooper can't make

636
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Speaker 1: a player or whatever you feel good enough with whoever

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Speaker 1: else is open that it would be able to catch

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Speaker 1: that ball and do something with it, as opposed to

639
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: let's say last year, where it was kind of like

640
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: up in the air and you don't really trust many

641
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: of those receivers at times. So now it's the point

642
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: that you just feel good, you don't care. Just as

643
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: long as one person is open and can do something,

644
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: you feel confident. That's the pick your poison type of strategy.

645
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: The weird thing about this whole offseason is is when

646
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: you talk about offense, you got a lot of things

647
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: to be excited about, but the last time they were

648
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: on the field, they were pretty much shut down at

649
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: least from the running game, and everything we saw last

650
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: year is different because there's a new coordinator. It's hard

651
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: to build on that because you don't really know what

652
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore is, how different he's going to be than

653
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: Scott Lanahan. You hope there are some some big differences,

654
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: especially with red zone play calling, so it's it's kind

655
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: of hard. That's what's what's weird about this is that

656
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: you really can't build off of, you know, last year,

657
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: because you've got a new play caller. Here's the thing,

658
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: as we went through this list, there seems to be

659
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: two areas that probably we had the biggest questions about. Again,

660
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: I think we kind of feel like they're answers for

661
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: all of them. But if you had to identify, it

662
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: would be the offensive playmakers the defensive playmakers. So basically

663
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: playmakers guys that are making big plays for you offensively

664
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: or defensively. My own opinion of this is that when

665
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: you're talking about the draft, particularly when you're you don't

666
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: have a first round pick, there are two positions I

667
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: think that typically you can find good quality can probably

668
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,239
Speaker 1: throw offensive guard in there as well, but there are

669
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: two positions where you can usually find good value second, third,

670
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: fourth round, that being safety and running back. So let's

671
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: talk about those two positions from the standpoint of the

672
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: second round. Would you, guys, be willing to use a

673
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: second round pick on a running back? I know what

674
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones says. He says, you kind I really want

675
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: your second round pick to be playing. But in a

676
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: situation like this where if you got a versatile running

677
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: back who has the ability to do more than just

678
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: line up in the backfield, maybe he lines up in

679
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: the slot, sum maybe he does some other stuff. He

680
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: can spell zeke at times, would you be willing to

681
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: use a second round pick on that kind of running back.

682
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: What did you say the positions were? I'm sorry, The

683
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: positions running back and safety seem to be positions you

684
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: can get value later in the draft, right, exactly right? Well, well, well,

685
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: I would either be later second rounds. I disagree about

686
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: safety completely, but you disagree that there is value later

687
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: in the draft. I think if you're trying to find

688
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: a difference maker in terms of upgrading your roster at safety,

689
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: it had better be a top sixty pick or even

690
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: top forty. And so let me let me define that again.

691
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: I may have missed said that. What I'm saying is

692
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: in the second round. By the time the Cowboys pick,

693
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: you could still find value at those two positions, good value,

694
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: really good value, just as opposed to pass rushers. He'll

695
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: get him on the the top ten. You're probably not get him, right,

696
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: But the safety you got to hope that your defense

697
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: can cover up his flaw whatever he's got something, or

698
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: he wouldn't last the fifty eight, right? Did he not

699
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: time fast enough? Did he did he not have a

700
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: lot of interceptions? Is he kind of light? You know?

701
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: Does he not tackle? I mean just things like that

702
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 1: that that drop him which I guess you could make

703
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: the argument with every position. I'm getting dropped. I'm getting

704
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: ready to speak out of both sides of my mouth

705
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: because I did mock Trayvion Williams to the Cowboys at

706
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: pick number ninety. But there's so much value to be

707
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: found at that position that you should not have to

708
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: do it at fifty eight, especially when you already have

709
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: an all pro on the team. And yeah, I mean

710
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: you might get a guy that can do all that stuff.

711
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: You can find that guy in the fifth round too.

712
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: Here's here's why the caveat to that is, this is

713
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: a decision that needs to be made right now, and

714
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure it has been. This is Stephen Jones, Jerry Jones,

715
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: Will McClay, Garrett. I guess it's a philosophical decision. So

716
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: this is a what are we doing with Ezekiel Elliott, which,

717
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: by the way, he did. They did give him his

718
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: fifth year option today, which isn't you know that wasn't

719
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: earth shattering. We knew that was going to happen. But

720
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: are they planning on signing him? If they're like, you

721
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: know what, we might just say let's go for two

722
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: years and then we'll just see. If that's the case,

723
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: then fifty eight makes it is a different But can

724
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: you do you have enough information to make that kind

725
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: of decision right now? The argument I would make is

726
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: for a running back like it, the drop is precipitous

727
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: and it happens quickly, and they're always every time they

728
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: touched the ball, there's a chance for injury, and that

729
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: injury could change the complexion of who they are as

730
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: a player. If you've got two years left on a

731
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: deal with a running back, I would suspect that right

732
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: now you cannot make a well informed decision about what

733
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna do in two years from now on a

734
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: running back. Well, that's fair because DeMarco Murray was basically

735
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 1: like out of league two years after he was NFL

736
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: Offensive Player of the Year, and he was he was

737
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: older than Zeke at that point, much older. I feel

738
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: like at least two or time. Girls is a good example. Yeah,

739
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: what happened this year, Like by the end of the year,

740
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: and I don't know this, I just I've said it before,

741
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: like I feel like running back was making so much

742
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: progress in terms of regaining some of its lost value,

743
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, like people are worried about

744
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley's knee, and you're seeing it trend right back

745
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: the other way, and Pittsburgh will just let leveyon Bill walk.

746
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: I mean like those kinds of things. In early February

747
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: stirred no. In early March, Stephen Jones said, like, you know,

748
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: Gurley's the jumping off point for Zeke, and we'll get

749
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: that done when we can. And they still might. I

750
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: haven't heard anything to suggest that they won't, but they

751
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: can change their mind. They got him under contract for

752
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: two examples. Aren't aren't really fair to Zeke? Because number one, yeah,

753
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: they let leveyon Bill go and they missed the playoffs.

754
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: I mean, Leon, that was a difference maker. This guys

755
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: led the league in rushing two of the three years

756
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: he had the incident, which we all. I don't know,

757
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: but I'm not putting words anyone else's mouth, but I

758
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: think it was a bogus situation for him to be

759
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: suspending for six games like that. This team did not

760
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: make the playoffs and he still almost had a thousand yards.

761
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: He is an absolute difference maker with no injury history,

762
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: like Todd Gurley, and just like Levion Bell when he

763
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 1: wasn't in there. The team dropped off. So he's done

764
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: everything he's supposed to do. And if you're gonna make

765
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: this deal, I would do it right now. I've said it, yeah,

766
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: and I agree with you. I'm saying, though, that's if

767
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna go ahead and resign him now, so that

768
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: you get the benefit of having a deal that doesn't

769
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: start in two years. It starts now, right so that

770
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,959
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I'm saying, if they're not ready

771
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: to do that now, then I think you wait, because

772
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: I don't think you can. Going back to your the

773
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 1: example you were given about the draft, I don't think

774
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: right now they can say what's gonna be the health

775
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: of this running back in two years? Because the amount

776
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: of times they gave him the ball last year, they

777
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: keep up that pace, I don't trust it in two

778
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: years he's two years, he's gonna be injury free, because

779
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: that's a ton. I mean, that's a word. And Jerry

780
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: and talked about it in a couple press conferences ago

781
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: where he said, hey, a lot of times we gave

782
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: him the ball, like we gotta do something different. We

783
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: can't expect to give him that workload. But if they don't.

784
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: They don't get a viable secondary option, and they keep

785
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: giving him that kind of workload. I don't trust it.

786
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: In two years he's gonna be help. You don't have,

787
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: Like Dave said, you don't have to go to the

788
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: fifty eighth pick in the draft to get a solid

789
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: backup running back that can spell zeke and run behind

790
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: this line. You can get a guy in the fifth

791
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: round that you would be impressed with and be like, huh,

792
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: you're not asking him to do a lot. We're asking

793
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: him to get ten carries, catch the ball a little bit,

794
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 1: and he gets the run behind this line. He's pretty

795
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: good to take that to the safety position. Would you

796
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: guys be willing to look at fifty eight for safety?

797
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: I think fifty eight is I think safety is what

798
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: they want to spend pick fifty eight on the need

799
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: to get it. Can you get a playmaking safety at

800
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: fifty eight? Probably not if you get really lucky. That's

801
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you have to go and get

802
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: us playmaking safety? That I mean? Welcome to and I'm

803
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: not trying to be facetious, like, welcome to the debate

804
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: we've been having on the Draft show for three months.

805
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: Because this is a deep safety lass. But there is

806
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: a drop off at a certain point, and it's right

807
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: around where the Cowboys are picking the caveat there is

808
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: this is this is gonna be one of the most

809
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: unpredictable drafts in recent memory. I think, I mean, the

810
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: number one overall pick is probably gonna be Kyler Murray,

811
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: but that's still a question. Well, I don't think I

812
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: think they're full of crap. I think the Cardinals are

813
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: full of crap. I think they're gonna pick him. Point

814
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: being the guy that's probably gonna go number one is

815
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: like consensussly considered like the fifteenth best prospect in this draft.

816
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: So that throws everything off. And then the number one

817
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: prospect is Nick Bosa. He'll will go right after that,

818
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: and then it's literally beauty in the eye of the

819
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: beholder for the rest of the way down. Like you're

820
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: seeing Variances on grades between you know, Brian Burns is

821
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: a pass rusher that Dane Brugler thinks is the tenth

822
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: best prospect in this draft. Brian brought us thinks he's

823
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: fifty and you see you see Variances like that. It's

824
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: huge spirit you're talking. I mean, let's go through the

825
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: list of safeties. Taylor rap is considered like the most

826
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: well rounded safety in this class, but his projected mid

827
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: first round though he's no his grade is everywhere from

828
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: late first round to maybe the Cowboys could draft him

829
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: because he ran a four seven forty. People are out

830
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: on his athletic ability. Jonathan Abram a guy the Cowboys

831
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: are absolutely smitten with. Again, more of a box safety, thumper,

832
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: doesn't have the range that makes him elite. So does

833
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: he go in the first round? Probably not. He's probably

834
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: pegged somewhere between thirty two and forty five. Juan Thornhill

835
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: his versatility. I've seen him everywhere from thirty five to

836
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: sixty five. Chauncey Gardner, Johnson the kid out of Florida,

837
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: samething like it's all about who's rating these guys. You'd

838
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: be willing to jump up to forty five to get

839
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: one of those guys who really love It's the conversation

840
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: we had last night. We did a seven round mock

841
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. In this mock, which again we're gonna

842
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: be wrong, Like there we're gonna see guys going in

843
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: the first round that we didn't expect. We're gonna see

844
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: guys falling. I'm very confident of that. But you actually

845
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: might get a really great player at another position that

846
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: you didn't expect to be there, like defensive tackle where

847
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: it's pretty deep. Right, completely explains why the Cowboys have

848
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: done so much diligence with so many different positions. That's

849
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,480
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852
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857
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Speaker 1: Probably not, because it's all up to the team that's

858
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Speaker 1: And that's maybe a decision they'll have to make. All right,

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917
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Speaker 1: we're talking about draft a little bit. We're talking about

918
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Speaker 1: which deed what the Cowboys need in order to make

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921
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Speaker 1: questions and numbers eight eight eight eight five five two

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923
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924
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Speaker 1: you guys to give us some names of some players

925
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Speaker 1: in this draft that fans should be looking forward to

926
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Speaker 1: in the second, third round and maybe even some sleepers.

927
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: Let's take a call right now from David and North Carolina. David,

928
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: what up? Hey guys? How are you doing everything you do?

929
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Speaker 1: You gotta do a great job. Thank you. I've actually

930
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: got a couple questions. The first question is everybody seems

931
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: to be talking about Joe Looney as a backup center

932
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: and nobody seems to be talking about him as a

933
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: backup left guard. Why are they just giving that job

934
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: to Connor? Seems like Joe would be in better I mean,

935
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: he'd be in tune with Travis Frederick because I mean,

936
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: he spent so much time in the film room and

937
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: playing center. Seemed like he might be a better choice

938
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: if you're gonna put your best five linemen on the

939
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: on the field. And then my second question is it

940
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: seems like the safety thing. I'm not totally sold on

941
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: that because I haven't seen the team lose a Super

942
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: Bowl because of a safety, but I've seen the team

943
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: lose a Super Bowl because of defensive blind play. So

944
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: I just want to get your thoughts on that, and

945
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: I'll hang up and listen to what you guys have

946
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: to say. All right, thanks for a call. I saw

947
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: a team win a Super Bowl because of a S

948
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: fifty two months ago. Mccordy play was unbelievable, yep, I

949
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: mean incredible, and I have no faith that anybody on

950
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: the Cowboys roster right now could have made it. Well

951
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: I do, I agree. I mean line play. Line play

952
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: is much more important in the grand scheme, but they

953
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: defensive even three technique is probably one of the more

954
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: important positions. This is a good football team right now

955
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: and it needs you know, you're just finding a spot.

956
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: That's what our safety is. It's like, all right, where

957
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: can they be better at? I mean, no one's talking,

958
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: No one ever is talking about anybody going to the

959
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. It's safety, linebacker. They had one and almost two.

960
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: They had a defensive line, they've got a receiver, they

961
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: have a running back that you know, the tied end

962
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: they're bringing one back. Quarterback is going. No one's ever

963
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: had a Pro Bowl safety here for a long time.

964
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: So I mean that's when you're when good football teams

965
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: are like, how can we make this even better? That's

966
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: why safety is even an issue. And this is one

967
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: of those positions that we've been talking about for a

968
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: few years now to where it's like, Okay, how can

969
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: you upgrade it? Or when are you going to upgrade it?

970
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: And it's kind of getting to that port. I mean, yes,

971
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: last year they were able to manage through the year,

972
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 1: and before that season started we were all talking about safety. Yeah,

973
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: they didn't happen, and they went through it. They made

974
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: it work. But when you're watching games and there's a

975
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: bad playing like, oh my god, yes, they do need

976
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: a safety that can do certain things and they don't

977
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: have that, it's when you know this time of the

978
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: year comes around again and you start talking about it

979
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: and you do want to address it because how many

980
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: more years are you gonna keep waiting on. We's to

981
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: the first part of his question about the offensive line,

982
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 1: particularly Joe Looney. He says he thinks Joe Looney should

983
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 1: be arguably your backup, a backup guard. He said backup.

984
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 1: I really think he meant starter. He does he yeah,

985
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: because he said, why are are you just giving the

986
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: job to Connor Williams. I don't think you'd be arguing

987
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: about being a backup. I really believe that what he meant.

988
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: I thought he made a mistake in thinking that Connor

989
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: Williams was going to continue to be the backup as

990
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Speaker 1: he was towards the you know, about the middle last

991
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: year when he got hurt and then came back. I

992
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: think I've heard this argument before is why is Joe

993
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: Looney not being considered to start at left guard? And

994
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: I really think that's what he was saying to do

995
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: you think it from that stamp? Yeah, you think he should? Um?

996
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: I no, I don't. I don't because I think what

997
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 1: you're doing is is and that's not fair to him.

998
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 1: But you know, I believe that you're getting more out

999
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: of your players about having a game day backup as

1000
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: a three position backup center, two guard spots. I think

1001
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: that's very valuable. You don't have that with Connor, you

1002
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: don't have that with Xavier Sulaphilo. So if Frederick comes back,

1003
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: then Looney is a is a very valuable backup player.

1004
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: And this team wants to be right, they want to

1005
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: show success in the draft, and they want to have

1006
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: Connor Williams be their starting left guard. That's what they want. Well,

1007
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: all teams do, I mean, you want to give your

1008
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: draft picks a chance. When we just spent the first

1009
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: segment saying, you know, we got to wait and see

1010
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: on Travis, we're not ready to pencil him in as

1011
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: ready to be Travis Frederick. So I don't want Joe

1012
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: Looney to have to learn a new position. If he's

1013
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: going to wind up being my starting center. I like

1014
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: having him there. You're right, you can play all three

1015
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: positions in a pinch. You also have Xavier Suaphilo, who

1016
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: kind of becomes redundant if Joe Looney's starting at another position,

1017
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: and then Connor would naturally be his backup. So what

1018
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: do you do with Xavier? I mean, I don't want

1019
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: to cut him, So I think I think that's a

1020
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: good problem to have. I'm I'm banking on Connor continuing

1021
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: to improve. I like, I don't think that was a

1022
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: bad pick at all. I'm completely not ready to Yeah,

1023
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: like he's gonna be fine in my opinion. So they've

1024
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: got good depth and that's a good thing coming into

1025
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: this season. Do you expect that Connor or Suaphilo will

1026
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: be your starting left guard? I think Connor. I mean

1027
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: part of it is I hate to say politics because

1028
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: I don't think it's like Connor's not undeserving. Like what

1029
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: I thought, what you said in the first segment was great,

1030
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: Like if that's his floor, he should be pretty good. Yeah,

1031
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: so he's going to continue to get better. You want

1032
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: to be right, You want your draft picks to play

1033
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: the meaningful roles for you. That's how you win is

1034
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: cheap service for multiple years. I mean, Xavier's in a

1035
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: contract year now, Joe is too. Connor's got three more

1036
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: seasons to play. It just makes sense. And so it

1037
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: was Lyle Collins or Collins will be Lyles in a

1038
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: contractor contract here. So that's an interesting part of this

1039
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: thing as well. I don't want to give up on

1040
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: Suafilo either. I thought that was a was a very

1041
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: good find, and I think you know he sometimes these players,

1042
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: I just I just think a lot about Colombo, with

1043
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: him drafted pretty high, didn't really work out where you

1044
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: wanted to be. Now you're kind of humbled a little bit,

1045
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: get another start, surround yourself with better players, and you

1046
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: know you have a different outlook on thing, which if

1047
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: Suefilo just completely outplays Connor and training camp, and I

1048
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: think he would be the starter. But I am willing

1049
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: to give Connor Williams the benefit of the doubt that

1050
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: he will be better. There is no reason why to

1051
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: think otherwise. I mean, when you watched Connor all of

1052
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: last year, you saw improvement game after game, even after

1053
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: he got hurt and went out. When he went in

1054
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: for Zack, he did a good job. And then when

1055
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: he got back into position went to A Filo went

1056
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: out with an injury, he was able to perform a

1057
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: lot better. So's he's one of those players rookie last year,

1058
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: okay young, and that you're seeing development in progress. So

1059
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: there is nothing that he just kind of right went backwards.

1060
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: But sue Filo was drafted even higher in his round

1061
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: a few years before that, and he's considered to have

1062
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: just as much, if not more, talents, So you know, yeah,

1063
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: he could play right next to Frederick and Tyrann Smith

1064
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: and play well too. So it's a good problem. And

1065
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: something really special about Sua Filo is how much he cares,

1066
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: how passionate he is about the game. It may not

1067
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: seem like it, but when you look at him around

1068
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: the locker room, and talk to him or whatever. Just

1069
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: the fact that he would walk in and I would

1070
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: see him. I talk to him a lot. He would

1071
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: walk in and be kind of upset, and I'm like,

1072
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? And He's like, yeah, I just

1073
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't good enough out of practice and like those

1074
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: little things that even at practice. I'm like, well, it's

1075
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: just practice. This is the time to make mistakes. It's

1076
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, that's not how you have to

1077
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: look at it. This is like you have to take

1078
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: it as a game day and just perform how you

1079
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: need to perform. There's no room for mistake. Because that

1080
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: whole thing was happening with Connor and there's that debate.

1081
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: So also his job was kind of on the line

1082
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 1: or like the starting position. So when you see his

1083
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: players care that much, it shows it starts to translate

1084
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: on the field. And I think those kind of attitude

1085
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: it's very important if you a lot of a lot

1086
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: of guys there on the offensive line, and I mean,

1087
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: don't want to take this show to another level, but

1088
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: if there is a player that you wanted to pick

1089
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 1: and you needed to trade somebody, I mean, if you'all

1090
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: even had that, if y'all even had that discussion of

1091
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: which player on this team. Let's say you really wanted

1092
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: a third round pick. We did it with Tank, but

1093
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: that was before he signed his deal. Not really. I mean,

1094
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: I think the only position you could probably look at

1095
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: what you just have kind of this. I think this

1096
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: dearth of riches is probably offensive line. You can make

1097
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: the argument at a pass rusher. Maybe if you wanted,

1098
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: if you could get some bad about you could Lyle.

1099
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: That's where I was going. Lyle would be the guy

1100
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: I don't really love plugging it right tackle Well, I

1101
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: mean you gotta again you do that, and then Travis

1102
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: Frederick is not healthy, and then you got now everything

1103
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: is off and you're like, what we thought we were great? Yeah,

1104
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: you got just talking here. I think that would be

1105
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: a spot. But but I wouldn't do it because I'd

1106
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: also be curious to see what you could get for

1107
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: a guy with one year on his deal. It's true.

1108
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, maybe you could get a

1109
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: third maybe, I kind of I kind of doubt it.

1110
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's throwing a time. I

1111
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: don't know anybody that you would actually want to trade.

1112
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if you could get that big a

1113
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: compensation pick for maybe if you if you thought, hey,

1114
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: we are we know from our money standpoint, we're not

1115
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: going to be able to resign Byron Jones. Byron Jones

1116
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: would be a guy and maybe you consider, but you

1117
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: better be drafting somebody because all right now, now you

1118
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: got a problem. Now you got a problem. No, you

1119
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: don't mess with a second alone. Byron Jones is moving

1120
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: around the facility on crutches right now, like what are

1121
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: you going to get for him? And that's that's true.

1122
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: That was the whole problem with Tank too, right. People

1123
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: had that that argument about what happened with with a

1124
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: guy from Seattle? The guy traded and could you get

1125
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: the same compensation for Tank? Well, the problem was Tank

1126
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: out a bump shoulder, and that always affects what you're

1127
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: going to get in compensation. I'm losing track of time

1128
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: right now. So Taco third year was entering his third year,

1129
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: entering third Why fast forward two years or one year?

1130
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: Fast forward one year? Do you think that the Cowboys

1131
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: will be giving hiving up his option? If I had

1132
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: to guess, no, what you know what, we didn't think

1133
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: they would pick up Byron Jones exactly, And I think

1134
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: in those situations that's where you wait to see, like, Okay,

1135
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: is this the year when it starts to pop for him?

1136
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: Is this the year when everybody's like, man, that was

1137
00:53:53,840 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: a bump year. It was Parcels that said by the

1138
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: third year, right, I mean that's the big Oh, before

1139
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: you get somebody crazy on Twitter because he got that

1140
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: from Tom Landry. So sorry, sorry, Tom Landry. I'm just

1141
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: saying you will get that if you say that that

1142
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: was Parcels this thing. But yeah, a lot of great

1143
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame coaches have have made that an agree

1144
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: with it. By the third year, it's gonna click, or

1145
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: it does. But I will say this, I think the

1146
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: caveat to that is by the third year you will

1147
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: probably find if you canna have a great player or not.

1148
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: I don't know if it necessarily mean, because you can

1149
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: put it to a lot of a lot of situations

1150
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: where by the third year you don't get a great player,

1151
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: but by the fourth year you got a guy that's like, oh,

1152
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: he's pretty good. It's not he may not be, yeah,

1153
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: he may not be all pro, but he's a guy

1154
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. So I don't know that that always

1155
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: works right from the standpoint of just saying if you're

1156
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: gonna get a really good player versus what happens when

1157
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: you're nearing the end of your contract. Stuff. It kind

1158
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: of delight Sometimes I can't get over the fact of healthy, scratch,

1159
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: healthy scratch, you work healthy, you were ready to go.

1160
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: By the way, at a position that rotates, right, it's

1161
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: a rotational position. And they said, we don't need you today,

1162
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: we don't need what happened, I still don't know. I mean,

1163
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: Marion Elly doesn't really care who was drafted, what or

1164
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: where and all that. He just says, this squad here

1165
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: and play. And he wasn't really helping him so and

1166
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: that's the part that I think. You know, he was

1167
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: banged up a little, but the trainers will tell you like, no,

1168
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: he was. He was ready to go, and you know,

1169
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,959
Speaker 1: so he that's the start I mean for it being great,

1170
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: being good, how about just playing but being on the field,

1171
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: and then we'll work from there. He's he's got a

1172
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: long ways to go before he is a productive player.

1173
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: I think, yep, real quick, before we end the show,

1174
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: I do want to give you, give you guys an

1175
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: opportunity to throw out some names of guys here in

1176
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: the second and third round. Cowboys won't be picking until

1177
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: Friday unless they move up into the first round, which

1178
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: would take a ton of resources, which I don't think

1179
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: probably is gonna happen. But second and third year, maybe

1180
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: second and third years, second and third round picks that

1181
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: will happen on Friday. Give me some names of some

1182
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: guys that fans should be paying attention. Well, we have

1183
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: a video that we will produce, I believe today. If

1184
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: not today, it'll be tomorrow. Uh. And it was a

1185
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 1: four riders doing a second and third round today. Okay, awesome,

1186
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: And I don't mind previewing that a little bit of

1187
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: some of the names. I from my standpoint, I went

1188
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: with one Thornhill to safety from Virginia. Um, what does

1189
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 1: he do well? He is versatility is great. Uh, he's

1190
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: played corner, he's had been had interceptions at corner, He's

1191
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: had interceptions at safety. He can he's really good at

1192
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: tackling behind the line of scrimmage. I think he's anticipates

1193
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 1: really well. It's got that decent size, a little lanky

1194
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: for a safety, but boy, Christmas Chard would snatch him

1195
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: up to be a corner. So does he not do well? Um,

1196
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, he whis in the second round. I guess

1197
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: probably when you're a jack of all trades, you're a

1198
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: master of none. So I think that's probably. He's not

1199
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: a shut down corner and he's not a ball hawking

1200
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: safe you know, but he does get to the ball.

1201
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: He had six interceptions last year. I mean, you know,

1202
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: so you can make play again that playmate. I'll say this,

1203
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: I don't think and I know the guys that study this,

1204
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: they really don't think he's a he's a he's a

1205
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: fifty eight. They think it's it's hard you get to

1206
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: this than you get to this time than that. Yeah,

1207
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: he's probably not gonna be you get to this time

1208
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: of year. And the team that's picking tenth overall is like,

1209
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: nobody's getting to us. We're gonna have to settle on

1210
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: a guy we don't love, which right like, looking at

1211
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: it right now, I don't feel great about what might

1212
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: be there for him. But who knows, you know, That's

1213
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like the very there's so much variation,

1214
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: the grades are all over the board. I think it's

1215
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: gonna be wild. I think it's gonna be fun. I

1216
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: think if they had their way, they would draft a safety.

1217
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: Want thorn Hills a guy to watch. I mocked them.

1218
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: Chauncey Gardner Johnson out of Florida. Don't think that'll happen either.

1219
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: Um Darnell Savage is a guy to watch. Taylor Rapp

1220
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: and Jonathan Abram and for some reason they were to fall.

1221
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: I think they were like one A and one bum.

1222
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: And if they can't get a safety, then I think

1223
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: they'll be looking at defensive lineman Jalen Ferguson at a

1224
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: Louisiana Tech as a guy, Tristan Hill out of UCF

1225
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: as a guy. I think those are two big names

1226
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: worth circling. And everyone knows this team needs a safety.

1227
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: They've talked about it so many times. So if you're

1228
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: sitting at fifty eight and here's a guy you like

1229
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: at fifty two fifty three, when what's they gonna take

1230
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: to get up there? A fourth rounder? Conceivably yeah, because

1231
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: you know someone's gonna gonna try to maybe jump you

1232
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: and go we want a safety. Two. But you gotta

1233
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,439
Speaker 1: get in front of Dallas. So even though they try

1234
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: to say, wow, we don't need a safety, we don't

1235
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: need to safety. We got George A Loco. I mean,

1236
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: we were good there, but I don't know. And then

1237
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: without a first round picks. This is what happens a

1238
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: lot of times. This team will go backwards. We think

1239
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna go up. They might even Gowards to try

1240
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: to stop because they're like, if we need a safety,

1241
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: we just gotta get above Dallas. As long as we

1242
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 1: stay ahead of Dallas, we can get the guy maybe

1243
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: we want, because ten years ago, I mean, you just

1244
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: kept going back. You just kept getting twelve picks. And

1245
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: surely if you pick twelve guys, somebody's going to be

1246
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: a stud. Honestly, if they were to do that, it

1247
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't bother me because the options that I think are

1248
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: going to be there for him at fifty eight are

1249
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: not great. But if you could trade back to sixty

1250
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: five and add another pick or two in there, then

1251
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: I feel better about it. You know, Tristan Hill is

1252
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: a guy like fifty eight sounds rich for me, but

1253
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: I'm listening in the sixties. Maybe it just like I said, like,

1254
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: we did a mock draft on the show last night,

1255
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,479
Speaker 1: and like halfway through it, I was like, I don't

1256
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: love what we're coming away with here. We got. We

1257
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: got Tristan Hill, tray ViOn Williams. We took a safety

1258
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: and of a pass rusher in the fourth, um added

1259
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: a special teams linebacker in the seventh. Our fifth round pick.

1260
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm drawn a blank. I think we got

1261
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: a wide receiver drinking at this place. It was yeah,

1262
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: I mean the big ones. The big ones were Tristan Hill.

1263
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: I see the video yesterday. The big ones were Tristan

1264
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Speaker 1: Hill and Treyvion Williams. Which you know, again you're talking

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Speaker 1: about value. You're picking at the end of the round.

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Speaker 1: So pick pick nineties, basically a fourth roun pick. It's

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Speaker 1: higher than I would want to pick a running back.

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Speaker 1: But Trevion Williams led the SEC and rushing. He's an

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Speaker 1: all around guy. I think he could step right in

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Speaker 1: and play if for some reason Zeke was unavailable. It's

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Speaker 1: not what I would prefer to do. But again, you're

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Speaker 1: at the mercy of what so many other teams do that.

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Speaker 1: First of all, it's incredibly hard to forecast, and beggars

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Speaker 1: can't be choosers. So it's gonna be interesting. I think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun because there's gonna be so many surprises.

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Speaker 1: So many unpredictable things happen, and I think it'll be

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Speaker 1: even more so this year. So hell, maybe they'll come

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Speaker 1: away with the safety. I just say this. The beauty

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Speaker 1: of what they did in free agency is that they've

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Speaker 1: they've basically cleared up all their holes. So to me,

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Speaker 1: don't be afraid to take even if it's in the

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Speaker 1: second round. If you're if the running back that's on

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Speaker 1: the board is so much better than any other position,

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Speaker 1: don't be afraid to take the pick because I think

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Speaker 1: right now they can only get better by getting more

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Speaker 1: talent of playmakers. Right so, and you can find a

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Speaker 1: way to figure out how to get them into the

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Speaker 1: into the game and use an the only position, and

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Speaker 1: you can't do that as quarterback. Every other position you

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Speaker 1: can rotate. So try get the best available player, and

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Speaker 1: if you do that, I think they'll come out of

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Speaker 1: this jag. I agree with. I would feel so much

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Speaker 1: better if they did that with a wide receiver. That's

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Speaker 1: what I've been saying all along. Deebo Samuel from South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: He's there and he's the best guy, Go go for it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they will. Maybe they won't. I think

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Speaker 1: they are hell bent on coming away with a defender

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Speaker 1: at pick fifty. I think that's where I think you

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Speaker 1: get into problems. A sneaky need here is cornerback. I

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Speaker 1: really do. I think that it's something to considers. It

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Speaker 1: just you don't know what what's gonna happen with Byron

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Speaker 1: you don't know, you know, with with Jordan Lewis, and

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Speaker 1: you know Anthony Brown will be a free agent. I

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Speaker 1: think you need to look at corner and that's why

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Speaker 1: those two we just talked about, Thornhill and Gardner Johnson

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Speaker 1: are safety slash corners, and it's like you're getting a

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Speaker 1: poor man's Byron Jones kind of. Richard's been scouting corners

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Speaker 1: for the last two months. So don't forget a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Nothing should surprise you. I like a little bit and do.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that should surprise you is if they

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Speaker 1: draft a quarterback. That's the only thing. Yeah, exactly. That's

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Speaker 1: why I don't even think that would be that surprise

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Speaker 1: unless you kicker. I mean, they could, I don't think

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Speaker 1: they will. But all right, we appreciate you guys joining us.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back next week. Make sure you take to

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Speaker 1: stay tuned for all of our draft coverage coming up tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: Friday and Saturday. We appreciate you guys joining us. Still

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