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Speaker 1: So we got a new report from Axios about how

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Speaker 1: President Biden is a little different in private than maybe

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Speaker 1: the public persona, the carefully crafted public persona. Let's put

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Speaker 1: this up on the screen we're in. Daubt actually tweeted

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Speaker 1: this piece out with some of the choice language that

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Speaker 1: he apparently directs at AIDS. God damn it, how the

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Speaker 1: f don't you know this? Don't fing bullshit me and

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Speaker 1: get the f out of here. Let me read a

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Speaker 1: little bit from the piece. The headline is old yeller

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Speaker 1: Biden's private fury in public, President Biden likes to whisper

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Speaker 1: to make a point. In private, he's prone to yelling

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Speaker 1: behind closed doors. Biden has such a quick triggered temper

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Speaker 1: that some AIDS try to avoid meeting alone with him.

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Speaker 1: Some take a colleague almost as a shield against a

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Speaker 1: solo blast. They can then go on to describe the

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Speaker 1: language that we're in doubt included here why it matters.

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Speaker 1: The private eruptions paint more complicated picture of Biden as

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Speaker 1: the manager and president than the image as a kindly

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Speaker 1: uncle who loves Aviator sunglasses and ice cream. They also

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Speaker 1: go on to say this is kind of interesting. Some

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Speaker 1: Biden aids think the president would be better off occasionally

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Speaker 1: displaying his temper in public as a way to suage

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Speaker 1: voter concerns that the eighty year old president is disengage

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Speaker 1: and too old for office. Senior and lower level aids

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Speaker 1: alike can be in Biden's line of fat fire quote.

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Speaker 1: No one is safe, said one administration official.

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Speaker 3: Your thoughts socker.

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Speaker 4: I kind to be honest, this made me like Biden.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I respect it.

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Speaker 2: I personally. I saw a lot of pearl clutching around this, like,

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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I can't believe he treats people this way.

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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. I mean, you know, I know a

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Speaker 2: lot of people politicians also people who work for them,

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Speaker 2: people who care about their work. Get passionate. So I

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Speaker 2: mean the other thing is the only way that this

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Speaker 2: would be a criticism is if this was like a

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Speaker 2: doddering old man thing. But by all accounts, old accounts

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Speaker 2: of him as a candidate back in nineteen eighty eight

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Speaker 2: describe the same temper.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's always been a sort of like cranky,

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Speaker 1: volcanic asshole to his staff, right, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Look, which president hasn't been I mean the one. In fact,

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Speaker 2: the only guy who was ever really nice to his

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Speaker 2: staff was Jimmy Carter. So it's like it tells you

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Speaker 2: that there, I think you have to be a raging

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Speaker 2: narcissist to be president. I don't think it's really possible

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Speaker 2: to do it otherwise. And I think that people who

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Speaker 2: all work at the highest level and who care a

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Speaker 2: lot about their work often.

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Speaker 4: Behave in this manner.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's necessarily a good thing, but you know,

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Speaker 2: a lot of these staff like they also know what

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Speaker 2: lot of annoying curl clutching, curl pearl clutching around this

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Speaker 2: and annoyed me. I'm like, yeah, it's like the most

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Speaker 2: especially whenever you are unable to have public outbursts In

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Speaker 2: the same way, I also do agree that going out

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Speaker 2: and kind of showing this kind of temperament makes you,

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Speaker 2: frankly a lot more relatable.

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Speaker 1: Remember when he had that moment on the trail, A

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Speaker 1: lot of people did, like, mayfully like challenge that kind

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Speaker 1: of push ups or whatever called that one young voter,

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Speaker 1: lying dog.

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Speaker 2: Face, lying dog posts, lying dog faced pony soldiers.

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Speaker 1: I still don't know what that means, but okay, so

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Speaker 1: I would not ever justify the sort of treatment of

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Speaker 1: individuals who work for you, your staff, who are clearly

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Speaker 1: like terrified of him. That being said, you know, the

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Speaker 1: one keep their cool under the circumstances. Number one. Number two,

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Speaker 1: it is amazing to me the areas that the media

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Speaker 4: The problem, how about Joe Biden?

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Speaker 1: This is the one we played this week, them defending

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Speaker 1: her being having a temper with her aides at times.

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Speaker 1: And part of why that piece annoyed me so much

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Speaker 1: But I do think just like the choice of what

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Speaker 2: Look, one of the best presidents in modern history was

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Speaker 2: one of the biggest pricks to his staff, Lynnon Baines Johnson. Okay,

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Speaker 2: go read a book if you want to figure out

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Speaker 2: how he treated them. He also got the Civil Rights

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Speaker 2: Act done, so you ask yourself, which what do you

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Speaker 2: value in terms of your impact. I'm not saying it's

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Speaker 2: a good thing. Like you said, I don't treat people

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Speaker 2: not the people who are literally running the country.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think that a lot of us is just a

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Speaker 2: little bit ridiculous in terms of the personal, you know, critiques.

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Speaker 2: As you said, in terms of the personal critique, the

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Speaker 2: only one I think that's really valid is one that

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Speaker 2: we discussed on our show this week about Biden ignoring

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Speaker 2: of what's legitimate in all this, whereas this one just seemed,

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Speaker 2: you know, pretty stupid in terms of the way that

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Speaker 2: of a temper as Bill Clinton did. Bill Clinton had

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Speaker 2: Obama too. Obama was a nasty person. He was one

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Speaker 4: He was like an intellectual bullying he he was exactly

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Speaker 3: I feel like.

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Speaker 1: Trump you probably you may be able to speak to

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Speaker 1: this more. I feel like he's sort of like more

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Speaker 5: Blow you up.

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Speaker 2: Trumpet also had a volcanic temper. I personally witnessed him

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Speaker 2: humiliate staff, and honestly, it's super uncomfortable. It was very

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Speaker 2: Johnson asked in terms of what he would do. Can't

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Speaker 4: And he would do this in front of me and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to basically prove he'd be like, look at these

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Speaker 1: He's also big on like I said.

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, public humiliation.

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Speaker 2: So it's big on like the power and look, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I once again believe that this.

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Speaker 4: Is probably a requirement for the job. John F.

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Speaker 2: Kennedy did this to many of his aides, people who

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Speaker 2: I think of an example almost from every single president,

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Speaker 2: maybe it's just a this is what it takes, I

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's a good thing, but I do

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Speaker 1: He wants to sit there, I'll just say, again, don't

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Speaker 1: condone this type of behavior. However, it is like very

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Speaker 1: low on my list of problems. I agree with Joseph

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Speaker 4: Well said, all right, we'll see guys later.

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Speaker 1: Got some pretty interesting new data that we wanted to

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Speaker 1: So a record show of Americans are now living alone.

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Speaker 1: Nearly thirty percent of American households comprise a single person.

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Speaker 1: That is a record high. If you're looking, and if

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Speaker 1: at record breaking numbers. There's a lot that contributes to this.

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Speaker 1: The older you are, the more likely you are to

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Speaker 1: Partly it's the fact that fewer people are getting married.

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Speaker 1: Partly it's the fact that you have more divorces, so

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Speaker 1: And I also just think it has become more of

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Speaker 2: So I support people having individual ability to pursue toe

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Speaker 2: That said, I think we've probably gone too far. And

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Speaker 2: one of the things that you often hear from a

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Speaker 2: a better word, They feel lonely, They feel like they

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Speaker 2: creatures and the problem is not living alone per se.

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Speaker 2: It's that living alone is indicative of lower familial ties,

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Speaker 2: need their own space. But they also are out not

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Speaker 2: I know probably five others who live alone and report

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Speaker 2: And also you can't ignore cost, you know, really from

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Speaker 6: You'll be surprised to learn that CNN is gatekeeping against

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Speaker 6: Again, it's shocking. We've never seen this treatment before from

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Speaker 7: I think a bigger problem for them. We're as big

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Speaker 3: Signed, let's actually do just that.

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Speaker 7: I'mbers tell the story they really do.

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Speaker 8: I mean the margin on the right there the right

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Speaker 7: Difference maker, without question, and everything is different. Of course,

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Speaker 6: I think he's right to say Democrats should be worried

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Speaker 6: What the media continues to not understand is that for

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Speaker 6: They tell me that more like I understand it. What

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Speaker 5: And there's a lot going on in that clip, And

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, And where this again gets interesting is that no

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Speaker 5: And so then it comes to Cornell West, who initially

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Speaker 5: Altgre could have told me that would have changed my

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Speaker 5: mind on that. Everything he said I was just a

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Speaker 5: complete lie. If you go back and watch his two

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Speaker 5: thousand convention speech, it was it was just an anti

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Speaker 5: corporates screed, which great good for him, but like I

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Speaker 5: watched that and I was like, this is cynical nonsense

446
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Speaker 5: coming from You're trying to you're lying to me. None

447
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Speaker 5: of this means a word to me, Like this is

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Speaker 5: all this is all lies and so I think so

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Speaker 5: many people are in that place that there's nothing Biden

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Speaker 5: can say that's going to change their minds. Those are

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Speaker 5: things that Biden perhaps could have done, but he didn't.

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Speaker 5: Now have they don't have the House, so that there's

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Speaker 5: nothing they can do right between them and now, So,

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Speaker 5: what did you mean by jill Stein though?

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Speaker 6: Oh well, I meant basically that because so many Bernie Sanders'

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Speaker 6: supporters ended up voting for jill Stein or even staying home.

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Speaker 6: But like, since for the purposes of this conversation, voted

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Speaker 6: for Jill Stein, Democrats, the field was completely different.

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Speaker 3: There's like this great.

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Speaker 6: McClatchy analysis of Hillary Clinton's platform in twenty sixteen versus

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Speaker 6: Joe Biden's in twenty twenty, and Biden's was arguably the

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Speaker 6: most moderate of all of the major candidates that ran

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Speaker 6: for the Democratic nomination that year.

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Speaker 3: They said it was.

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Speaker 6: Really far to the left, even compared to Hillary Clinton's

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Speaker 6: in twenty sixteen. That's McClatchy, and I agree. I think

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Speaker 6: it's obvious that he ran way further to the left.

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Speaker 3: And again, all of these.

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Speaker 6: Candidates, like so called moderates start a Kamala Harris embracing

470
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Speaker 6: Medicare for all, et cetera, et cetera. Whether or not

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Speaker 6: people think those are since concessions, they are absolutely concessions

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Speaker 6: because Bernie Sanders and then downstream of Bernie Sanders Jill Stein.

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Speaker 6: The fact that so many Bernie Sanders supporters were so

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Speaker 6: upset by Hillary Clinton that they then went to vote

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Speaker 6: for Jill Stein. I think that was a huge wake

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Speaker 6: up call for the Democratic Party. And again, people may

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Speaker 6: look at the way Biden has governed and say it

478
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Speaker 6: was all insincere, and that's where they would argue Brianna's

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Speaker 6: argument falls apart, like maybe you'll get superficial concessions.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think from.

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Speaker 6: The perspective of the left that having all of those

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Speaker 6: candidates come out for free community college, medicare for all,

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Speaker 6: et cetera, et cetera. I actually think that puts them

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Speaker 6: in a really difficult position when Democrats do have governing

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Speaker 6: power to make good on those promises. And it might

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Speaker 6: not be the next presidential administration, but down the road,

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Speaker 6: that Overton window has shifted for good.

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Speaker 5: But I think the phenomenon you're describing of the Democratic

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Speaker 5: Party moving to the left since twenty sixteen actually makes

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Speaker 5: the opposite case, which is that working in primaries is effective, like.

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Speaker 3: To primaries over generals.

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Speaker 5: Right to me, that it was the Bernie Sanders camp.

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Speaker 5: It was that and then the second Bernie Sanders campaign

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Speaker 5: that is what convinced people like Kamala Harris. I don't

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Speaker 5: Thinkamala gave a rip about Jill Stein when she decided

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Speaker 5: to endorse Medicare for all. I think Kamala was trying

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Speaker 5: to win the Democratic primary voters who attached the idea

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Speaker 5: of medicare for all to the idea that you're a

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Speaker 5: progressive champion. I guess so that's why, like you said,

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Speaker 5: basically all of them except Biden were pro medicare for all.

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Speaker 5: And I don't think that was Jill Stein. I think

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Speaker 5: that was Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 6: I guess the way I think of it, you would

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Speaker 6: know this better than I do. I just think of

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Speaker 6: it as like the Jill Stein losing Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin

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Speaker 6: in ways that actually really could be tied back to

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Speaker 6: people voting for Jill Stein, who by the way, may

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Speaker 6: not have voted for Hillary Clinton either way. But if

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Speaker 6: they say all of those Jill Stein voters they go

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Speaker 6: for Hillary Clinton and blah blah blah. Well, I just

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Speaker 6: feel like that has loomed so largely in the Democratic

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Speaker 6: establishment's imagination that it's almost like inextricable from the Bernie

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Speaker 6: thing that like so many people did end up voting

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Speaker 6: for Bernie for Jill Stein because Bernie told them not

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Speaker 6: to do this, but because they were big Bernie supporters

516
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Speaker 6: and they didn't believe anything other Trump or Hillary were selling.

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Speaker 6: That just like loomed so largely in the DNC imagination

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Speaker 6: that it's part of what freaked them out and part

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Speaker 6: of what freak candidates out.

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Speaker 3: But I say, I definitely see what you're saying.

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Speaker 5: But and I think in the end, though, it was

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Speaker 5: actually a really tiny number. And if you can, you

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Speaker 5: go back and look at those CNN numbers, and you

524
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Speaker 5: also had a storm that doesn't exist today, and that

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Speaker 5: storm being Hillary Clinton being massively disliked by so many,

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Speaker 5: like so many Democratic primary voters and Democratic voters held

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Speaker 5: their nose to vote for her in the general. And

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Speaker 5: then small numbers ten thirty and fifty thousand in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin,

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Speaker 5: Michigan Ish voted for Jill Stein couldn't go forward. But

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Speaker 5: also in Wisconsin, you had a huge drop off of

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Speaker 5: people just not voting, which and you know, all of

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Speaker 5: that is that's on that's on the Democratic Party, and

533
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Speaker 5: that's on and that's on Hillary Clinton. But the other

534
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Speaker 5: elements of the storm that it existed then don't exist now,

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Speaker 5: is that Trump was a potential at that point rather

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Speaker 5: than a reality, like and and people didn't think that

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Speaker 5: he was actually going to win.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 5: Like you know, Poles had him down stance, you know,

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Speaker 5: massively pulling units across the board, giving him a mine

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Speaker 5: over Daffin was gave him like a ninety five percent

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Speaker 5: chance of losing the election. And so people, I think

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Speaker 5: weren't taking him as seriously. And I think I bet

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Speaker 5: a bunch of those voters in pennsylvaniais continent Michigan who

545
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Speaker 5: voted for Stein afterwards were like, oops, I thought I

546
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Speaker 5: was just casting a little protest vote I didn't actually want.

547
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Speaker 5: So I think some of them were like, who didn't vote?

548
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Speaker 5: I think some were like, I think Trump and Clinton

549
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Speaker 5: are both awful, and I don't care that that I

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Speaker 5: gave up my opportunity to vote against Trump by voting

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Speaker 5: for Sign.

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Speaker 3: I don't care.

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Speaker 5: There's lots of those, but I think I bet there

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Speaker 5: are a bunch who afterwards were like, Oh, if I

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Speaker 5: could do it over again, Knowing that Wisconsin, Michigan, Pensylvania close,

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Speaker 5: like they thought those were blue states, Blue Wall was

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Speaker 5: secure that they would go Actually, they would have go

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Speaker 5: back and vote for Hillary. And you saw that because

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Speaker 5: the Green Party was basically non existent in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 5: and so will having somebody as charismatic and impressive and

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Speaker 5: popular as Cornell West kind of changed that calculation. Maybe,

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Speaker 5: but I think most people who are going to support

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Speaker 5: West at this point were not going to vote for

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Speaker 5: Biden anyway. They were just going to not vote.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, although I think that's going to really depend.

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Speaker 3: I mean, but.

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Speaker 5: Most is most is a lot. But if it moves

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Speaker 5: ten thousand votes and elections decided by ten thousand or

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Speaker 5: a thousand or whatever, so yeah, you're right, Like, even

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Speaker 5: if ninety percent of West voters wouldn't have voted, but

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Speaker 5: the other ten percent would have voted for Biden or

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Speaker 5: whoever the nomine ends up being, if he doesn't make it,

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Speaker 5: then that could swing a close election.

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Speaker 3: And if West hits the.

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Speaker 6: Road hard on Biden's sort of fumbling student loan debt

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Speaker 6: plan going in one direction or the other and kicking

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Speaker 6: it to Supreme Court in a way that was predictably

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Speaker 6: going to put people in that crunch if he hits

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Speaker 6: the road hard on other like populist priorities that Biden

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Speaker 6: hasn't been great on that young people in particular are

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Speaker 6: interested in. I could see, I could see some interesting numbers,

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Speaker 6: but again it all does depend.

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Speaker 5: All right, and for people who are new to politics

584
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Speaker 5: and aren't following this, like why why does Europe get

585
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Speaker 5: to do this?

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Speaker 4: But we don't.

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Speaker 5: You know, Europe and other countries have these parliamentary systems

588
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Speaker 5: where everybody votes for who they like. If you're a Green,

589
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Speaker 5: you're a Liberal Democrat, you're communist, you're a Democratic Socialist,

590
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Speaker 5: you're a Christian Democrat, you know, nationalists, whatever, and then

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Speaker 5: they all get to the parliament and they form coalitions

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Speaker 5: and then and whatever coalition can get a majority, then

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Speaker 5: they elect a prime minister.

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Speaker 3: It's like how AFC.

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Speaker 6: Said in era, I wouldn't be in the same party

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Speaker 6: as Nancy plus.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, and they wouldn't be. There'd be three different

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Speaker 5: but then they all get behind the same prime minister.

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Speaker 5: So it's like, careful what you wish for. It's not

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Speaker 5: like you're necessarily going to get that much more of

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Speaker 5: a pure system. But over here it's called first past

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Speaker 5: the post. And so Bill Clinton had forty three percent,

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Speaker 5: and then you know George H. W. Bush like whatever,

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Speaker 5: low forties, high thirties, and then Ross Perro with nineteen.

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Speaker 5: That forty three percent wins. Yeah, and so that's that's

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Speaker 5: just the system we have. People often say, well, what

607
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Speaker 5: about the Abraham Lincoln and the Republican Party. You know,

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Speaker 5: they're a third party and they won, except no, they

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Speaker 5: were not actually a third party. There were two major parties,

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Speaker 5: the Whigs and the Democrats. Democrats and that election split

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Speaker 5: into two, you know, a super pro slavery party and

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Speaker 5: a just kind of pro slavery party, and the Whigs disappeared, evaporated.

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Speaker 5: Lincoln was a partisan wig his entire career and clung

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Speaker 5: to the Whig Party as a partisan until the very

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Speaker 5: bitter end, until it was completely obvious that it collapsed.

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Speaker 5: And then a bunch of parties tried to come up

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Speaker 5: and replace the Wigs, and the Republican Party is the

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Speaker 5: one that managed to do that. You also had a

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Speaker 5: fourth party, a Constitution Party, which was you know your

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Speaker 5: classic like moderate senators who were just saying, let's not

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Speaker 5: talk about slavery. Let's just can we can we all

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Speaker 5: please just not? And I think they won Tennessee or something.

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Speaker 5: Maybe around the people could look that up. That was

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Speaker 5: the fourth Party. But then you know, you had all

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Speaker 5: these other ones that were trying to compete, but the

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Speaker 5: Republicans were a major party immediately.

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Speaker 6: Basically, this concludes today's edition of Ryan Gram rambling about

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Speaker 6: American history.

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Speaker 3: That interesting. I always learned, right, I always learned.

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Speaker 6: Someone's going to clip that and juxtapose it with another clip,

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Speaker 6: and I know what you're going to do.

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Speaker 3: Don't do it?

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Speaker 5: Which one?

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Speaker 3: You know one?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 5: That one I really didn't. That was Soviet history though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it also we don't.

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Speaker 5: Need to get into that.

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Speaker 3: That's the last thing we need to do right now.

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Speaker 6: Although that clip was caught unfairly and I saw in

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Speaker 6: a YouTube video recently once again.

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Speaker 5: And again like to you or something.

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Speaker 6: Yes, So we'll we'll wrap on that note, but we'll

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Speaker 6: also obviously continue to follow the Cornell West candidacy very closely,

645
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Speaker 6: and actually the Green Party nomination, which is Ryan says

646
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Speaker 6: he's really gonna have to fight for it. So it's

647
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Speaker 6: an interesting race. So we'll keep you posted on any

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Speaker 6: developments in the Green Party.

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Speaker 1: So new Axios report detailing something that's kind of key

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Speaker 1: to me, at least in terms of the RFK junior campaign.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up on the screen. So apparently his

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Speaker 1: campaign merch is not union made, nor.

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Speaker 5: Is it US made. Let me read you a little

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Speaker 5: bit of this.

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Speaker 1: They say that his team is bucking Democratic Party tradition

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Speaker 1: by selling campaign merchandise and not made in America, not

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Speaker 1: bade by union leader Union Labor. They also say the

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Speaker 1: move is out of step with Kennedy's stated commitment to

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Speaker 1: labor unions, and along with his anti vaccination views, could

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Speaker 1: complicate his long shot primary challenge of President Biden. For generations,

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Speaker 1: a rule for Democratic campaigns has been that as many

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Speaker 1: materials as possible, shirt stickers, placards, alongsides, even campaign buses

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Speaker 1: be made by union shops in America as a sign

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Speaker 1: of the party's commitment to labor unions and the working class.

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Speaker 1: It appears that the T shirts are have a label

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Speaker 1: that says assembled in Hondurs. So this is kind of

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Speaker 1: common on the Republican side. They don't typically use union shops,

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Speaker 1: they don't particularly pay attention. Even with the Trump campaign

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Speaker 1: that talked a lot about made in America, even their

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Speaker 1: stuff was made overseas. But for a Democrat, this is

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Speaker 1: really a no go. And even putting like the convention

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Speaker 1: of it aside, you know, we have merch. We went

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Speaker 1: out of our way to make sure that it was

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Speaker 1: consistent with our values of being made in America and

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Speaker 1: being union made. That can be difficult, although in the

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Speaker 1: campaign space there are all kinds of vendors who do

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Speaker 1: this work. So it just shows me, like, if you're

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Speaker 1: really committed to unions, number one, you need to have

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Speaker 1: a plan about that, which we asked him about and

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Speaker 1: he didn't have a lot to say about.

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Speaker 3: But number two, like this is a basic gimme.

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Speaker 2: He's got a prompt to staff in order to fix this.

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Speaker 2: My theory most likely is that they were somebody inexperience

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Speaker 2: or whatever. They had just set up merch and they didn't,

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Speaker 2: you know, think all that much about it. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: as you said, if you care, which we cared a lot,

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Speaker 2: you know, and I think people should know. It's a

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Speaker 2: pain in the ass and this is not a knock.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying you still shouldn't do it, but it's

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Speaker 2: cheaper and easier for a reason, to make stuff in China.

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Speaker 2: We could make tons more money off of our merchandise

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Speaker 2: if we were willing to do that, and it would

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Speaker 2: be vastly cheaper, easier shipping, and all of that to you.

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Speaker 2: But because we believe in maide in America and a

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Speaker 2: union made well, we have had to go in a

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Speaker 2: different direction. And that's what a lot of different Democratic

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Speaker 2: candidates have done before. I've seen some Republican candidates do

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Speaker 2: it as well, and I think that's the right thing

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Speaker 2: to do. You know, just because economy of scale is

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Speaker 2: easier to get something made in China or Honduras or whatever,

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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that's what you should do. So again,

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Speaker 2: my theory on this is just that they were like,

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Speaker 2: go with the easiest option. Yeah, just spin up. But

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Speaker 2: this is an opportunity where do the work? Man Like,

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Speaker 2: if you think that, if you do care, then you

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Speaker 2: should change it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, come on to it. You're yety yeah,

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Speaker 1: been invested in democratic politics your entire life. Your campaign

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Speaker 1: manager is Dennis Kissinich.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's so, you know, Yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 1: Point has to know about these things as well. And

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Speaker 1: you know, we like had to put in a lot

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Speaker 1: of effort to get our stuff made Union because you know,

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Speaker 1: it's been decimated and there just aren't done anymore shops

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Speaker 1: that are Union and America made at this point. But

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Speaker 1: in the campaign world, there's a whole slew of them,

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Speaker 1: you know, on the Democratics, there's tons of them. It's

718
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Speaker 1: not hard, you know, it's not hard to find, it's

719
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Speaker 1: not hard to figure out. I guess the next test

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Speaker 1: will be how do they respond to this? Do they care?

721
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Speaker 1: Do they fix it, do they address it? Do they apologize?

722
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Speaker 1: Like where do they go from here? Because he has

723
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Speaker 1: tried to make a point of saying, you know, he

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Speaker 1: stands with labor, even though again on the substance there

725
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Speaker 1: hasn't been a plan laid out of how he would

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Speaker 1: increase union participation. Just to give you one more sense of,

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Speaker 1: you know, how this is significant, how this plays within

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, they asked Ray Buckley, who's the chair

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Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party in New Hampshire. In New Hampshire

730
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Speaker 1: key obviously, because the whole rift with Biden is not

731
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Speaker 1: going to be on the ballot there, but it's still

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Speaker 1: going to be in an early state. RFK Junior has

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Speaker 1: an actual chance to win that state, so this is

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Speaker 1: really key. So the chair of the Democratic Party in

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire says, it's politics one oh one. I would

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Speaker 1: hope that Kennedy would put human rights above his political aspirations.

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Speaker 1: That's the nicest way I can say that. So we'll

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Speaker 1: see how they respond and if they make this right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious what his response should be because I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's no you can't justify this making stuff, yeah in

741
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Speaker 2: the Hondura, especially whatever you're talking about maid in America.

742
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Speaker 2: I mean, we asked him also about unions. He didn't

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Speaker 2: have some specifics on the plant if I recall, or

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Speaker 2: on the pro act, but he did say it was.

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Speaker 4: Very supportive of the union way of life.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, his own father has a complicated history, I guess

747
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Speaker 2: is the nicest way of saying.

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Speaker 4: Whatever came to storied battles.

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Speaker 2: JFK as a very pro union president, so you know,

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Speaker 2: in terms of carry on the Kennedy legacy, and then

751
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Speaker 2: Ted Kennedy of course was a longtime front of the

752
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Speaker 2: unions in the actually US Senate. So I think you know,

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Speaker 2: given what you said for Kennedy's elector apolicis this is

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Speaker 2: one of those that you absolutely yeah.

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Speaker 1: You got to walk the one, right have we already

756
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Speaker 1: got a price?

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Speaker 3: We do play.

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Speaker 1: It's hardy pro union and is mixed on the topic.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say so anyway, We'll see where it goes

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Speaker 1: from here.

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Speaker 4: All right, We'll see you guys later.

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Speaker 5: What is the best way to educate our children? When

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Speaker 5: that question arises, the discussion eventually turns to the issue

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Speaker 5: of school choice.

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Speaker 7: Feels important for National School Choice Week, advocating for alternative

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Speaker 7: options to public schools, such as charter and magnusine.

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Speaker 9: He use the public money to fund private schools has

768
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Speaker 9: had its fair share of controversy.

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Speaker 10: Supporters say vouchers help students succeed, but opponents say they

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Speaker 10: siphon away crucial public school resources.

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Speaker 9: A battle is raging on in America's classrooms right now,

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Speaker 9: one that seemingly pivots around giving parents the opportunity to

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Speaker 9: choose between public and private education for their kids. But

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Speaker 9: is there also more to this issue than what meets

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Speaker 9: the eye?

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Speaker 7: Ballwork of the American farm of government is educational, for

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Speaker 7: true democracy can exist only among a people prepared from

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Speaker 7: childhood for the responsibilities of citizenship.

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Speaker 9: America's public education system, since its inception in the nineteenth century,

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Speaker 9: has been a cornerstone of the American dream and an

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Speaker 9: integral part of the country's cultural fabric. Seen as the

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Speaker 9: Great Equalizer, it offered a promise of opportunity and upward

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Speaker 9: mobility to all, regardless of economic or social standing. But

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Speaker 9: fast forward to today, the future of education seems to

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Speaker 9: be headed in a vastly different direction.

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Speaker 1: The historic night at the State House Monday, with both

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Speaker 1: House and Senate lawmakers passing a bill to send taxpayer

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Speaker 1: money to some Iowans to pay for private school tuition.

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Speaker 4: Today, just about an hour ago, Florida Governor Ron de

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Speaker 4: Santa's signed House Bill one.

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Speaker 2: The education bill relates to school choice and expanding private

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Speaker 2: school vouchers.

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Speaker 11: Parents could get thousands of dollars back for sending their

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Speaker 11: kids to a private school.

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Speaker 10: The bill giving parents public dollars for private school tuition.

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Speaker 7: The bill would give scholarship money to families who qualify

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Speaker 7: and choose to take their children out of the public school.

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Speaker 9: That's right. Instead of directly funding the public school system,

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Speaker 9: school choice or school voucher programs would allocate those public

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Speaker 9: taxpayer dollars to help parents fund their children's private school

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Speaker 9: tuition should they choose not to attend public school. The

802
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 9: first program of its kind was implemented back in nineteen ninety,

803
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Speaker 9: the Milwaukee Parental Choice Program. Fast forward to twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 9: fifteen states have voucher programs to help parents pay for

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Speaker 9: private school, and such programs have only exploded exponentially in

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Speaker 9: recent months. Just this year, fourteen states have passed bills

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Speaker 9: establishing school choice programs or expanding existing ones, and lawmakers

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Speaker 9: in forty two states have introduced bills to establish similar programs.

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Speaker 9: Proponents of such programs, like Iowa Governor Kim Reynolds, who

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Speaker 9: earlier this year okayed allocating taxpayer money to fund private

811
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Speaker 9: schools in her state, say that it will give parents

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Speaker 9: more choice and improve educational outcomes by fostering competition between

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Speaker 9: public and private schools.

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Speaker 4: It's all about options, it's competition. It's a good thing.

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Speaker 9: Now the question is do you buy it? I mean, choice, competition,

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00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 9: Those are all universal ideals shared by almost everybody. But

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Speaker 9: to achieve it by diverting taxpayer dollars from public to

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Speaker 9: private schools, I think it's worthwhile for us to take

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Speaker 9: a peek under the hood. Recently, I spoke with Joshua Cowen,

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Speaker 9: a professor of education policy at Michigan State University who

821
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Speaker 9: has studied school choice for nearly two decades, to help

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Speaker 9: us understand what the data is telling us.

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Speaker 11: The one only ambiguous thing that seem used to come

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Speaker 11: from all the pro voucher findings is that parents who

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Speaker 11: use the vouchers to appear to be happier with their kids' education.

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Speaker 4: Happy parents. That is a good thing, right, Well, maybe

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Speaker 4: so vouchers.

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Speaker 11: About three quarters of new voucher users actually already in

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Speaker 11: private school in first place. The new part just comes

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Speaker 11: from the source, the founding, the government, instead of the parent.

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Speaker 9: According to data from the National Coalition for Public Education,

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Speaker 9: in Arizona, eighty percent of voucher applicants are from children

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Speaker 9: who have never attended a public school. In New Hampshire,

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Speaker 9: eighty nine percent have never attended a public school. In Wisconsin,

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Speaker 9: seventy five percent have never attended a public school. Why

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Speaker 9: is that, Well, the truth is, even if some parents

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Speaker 9: wanted to use a voucher, the reality is, unlike public schools,

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Speaker 9: private schools can decline to admit children for any reason

839
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Speaker 9: that's not considered a protected characteristic. So yeah, you can

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Speaker 9: be rejected simply for being poor. So in terms of opportunity,

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Speaker 9: it seems to me like the group that benefits the

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Speaker 9: most from school choice programs are parents of existing private

843
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Speaker 9: school students who now get to enjoy a public subsidy

844
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Speaker 9: for their children's private school tuition.

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Speaker 11: Of course, parents are more satisfied when something they were

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Speaker 11: footing the bill themselves for up until last year, all

847
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Speaker 11: of a sudden the government comes and who gives them

848
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Speaker 11: money for that? That's not that surprising. So the real

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Speaker 11: question then just goes back to are they delivering what

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Speaker 11: the promises, which is that the academics are better.

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Speaker 9: Unfortunately, study after study confirms that new students using vouchers

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Speaker 9: to attend private schools leads to lower test scores and

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Speaker 9: worse educational outcomes. How much worse Some studies show that

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Speaker 9: voucher impacts on a student's educational outcome are equivalent to,

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Speaker 9: or sometimes even worse than the learning loss caused by

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Speaker 9: natural disasters and even the COVID nineteen pandemic.

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Speaker 11: For that smaller percentage, that quarter or thirty percent or so,

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Speaker 11: who kids who do transfer from public to private their

859
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Speaker 11: test course tend to be catastrophic. And the reason for

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Speaker 11: that is that for the most part, these voucher programs

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Speaker 11: prop up what I I would call subprime private schools.

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Speaker 11: There's schools that are financially distressed, the struggling. They might

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Speaker 11: close anyway, often many do. You're not talking about like

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Speaker 11: this pathway to elite private school education.

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Speaker 9: Cowent Sites, Wisconsin as an example, as forty one percent

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Speaker 9: of voucher schools there have closed since the programs in

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Speaker 9: section in nineteen ninety and that includes the large number

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Speaker 9: of pop up schools opening just to cash in on

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Speaker 9: the new voucher payout. For those pop up schools, average

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Speaker 9: survival time is just four years before their doors closed

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Speaker 9: for good. Well, what about competition?

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Speaker 11: It is true is that we've seen small and really

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Speaker 11: really tiny, but real test score improvements in the public

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Speaker 11: school side when these voucher programs expand. And the reason

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Speaker 11: for that is that you can find those positi effects

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Speaker 11: mostly concentrated in low income communities, communities of color, vulnerable

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Speaker 11: communities generally speaking, historically marginalized communities. And what's happening is basically,

878
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 11: when you pit these vulnerable communities against each other to

879
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 11: compete for scarce dollars.

880
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 4: You do see some kicking scores.

881
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 9: That sounds awfully close to an educational huggy games type situation,

882
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 9: if I can editorialize a little bit, poor kids battling

883
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 9: it out in public schools, test scores falling off a

884
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 9: cliff for those children who transferred with a voucher to

885
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 9: a subprime private school, and the children who are already

886
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 9: in elite private schools are sounding like they're even better off.

887
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 11: Debates really settled about whether these things do or don't

888
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 11: help kids who use them.

889
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:26,959
Speaker 4: I mean, that's over.

890
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Speaker 11: We just don't get evidence like that in the research

891
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 11: community that's that consistent, that straightforward. Very oftenitially it's on

892
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 11: the one hand or on the other hand, that's.

893
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: Not what boxers are.

894
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 11: It's pretty bad stuff. So then it comes down to

895
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 11: what's the idea and what is the idea here?

896
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Speaker 7: Well.

897
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Speaker 9: To fully understand the true motivations behind the push for

898
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Speaker 9: school choice, we have to go back nearly three quarters

899
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Speaker 9: of a century to nineteen fifty four Brown versus Board

900
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 9: of Education, in which the Supreme Court unanimously ruled racial

901
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 9: segregation in public schools to be unconstitutional and almost Immediately thereafter,

902
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Speaker 9: attacks against the public school system began tomate among certain

903
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 9: elite circles.

904
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Speaker 7: The state of schooling alemandary secondary higher schooling in the

905
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 7: United States is deplorable.

906
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 9: This man is famed economist Milton Friedman. Yes, the same

907
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 9: Milton Freeman who in nineteen seventy proclaimed in The New

908
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 9: York Times that the social responsibility of business is to

909
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 9: increase its profits the god of shareholder privacy. Freeman pen

910
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 9: the gospel on private education a decade and a half earlier,

911
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 9: in nineteen fifty five, perhaps not coincidentally, just a few

912
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 9: months after the Brown v. Board ruling, in an essay

913
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Speaker 9: called the Role of Government and Education, in which he

914
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 9: advocated for governments to use school vouchers as a means

915
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 9: to stimulate competition in the education system.

916
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 11: For Freedman's paper was published in nineteen fifty five, that

917
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 11: was just a few months after Brown versus Board of Education.

918
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 11: The reason that's relevant today is Freedman's idea was very

919
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 11: quickly latched onto by segregationists, particularly in Virginia and in

920
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 11: Texas as kind of what they say is something of

921
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 11: a race neutral way to avoid the integration orders that

922
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 11: came out of round for supports, and.

923
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Speaker 9: That is the cold, hard truth. School choice is really

924
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 9: nothing more than a coded term used by wealthy, influential

925
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 9: individuals and advocacy groups to maintain a segregated education system

926
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 9: that disproportionately benefits the affluent and leaves less privileged populations

927
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 9: at a disadvantage. It is designed as a mechanism that

928
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 9: in effect gives choice to private schools rather than to

929
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 9: the parents.

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Speaker 8: If you close all the public schools in your area

931
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Speaker 8: and you pop up two or three charter schools, what

932
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 8: is the choice. You have no choice.

933
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Speaker 9: Maggie Perkins is a former teacher who taught for nearly

934
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 9: a decade at both public and private institutions.

935
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Speaker 10: It's in us first them situation, and this is my

936
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 10: sense of it as a teacher's perspective, that as other

937
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 10: groups become more included and have more access and more

938
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 10: opportunity is there for them, that their children are getting

939
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 10: things taken away from them. It is more about personal

940
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 10: values and in a way resegregation of schools. So I

941
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Speaker 10: think it's more based out of fear and less about

942
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Speaker 10: let's take our money and go spend it on a

943
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Speaker 10: quality education.

944
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's about quality.

945
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Speaker 9: Just the idea of resegregating education at a state or

946
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 9: federal level might be kind of a hard sell nowadays.

947
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 9: So it is one hundred percent by design that school

948
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 9: choice advocacy groups market such programs as quote opportunity scholarships

949
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 9: or lifeline scholarships. Legacy publications like The Wall Street Journal

950
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 9: recently even framed opposition to school choice as the killing

951
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 9: of scholarships for poor students in failing schools. So what

952
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 9: should we do? What can we do? Because the honest

953
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 9: truth is that I sympathize with legitimate critiques of the

954
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 9: public school system in America. No doubt the system is

955
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Speaker 9: in need of serious reform.

956
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 11: I mean, we need to address that. We need to

957
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 11: make it easier for kids the special needs to learn

958
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 11: in public schools. We need to make it easier for

959
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 11: kids who are struggling with mental health to go to

960
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 11: public school and learn there. We need to investing in

961
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 11: the teacher workforce. Right you see bills like and my

962
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 11: governor here in Minnesota are putting a lot of money

963
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 11: behind universal free meals because there's strong evidence that hungry

964
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 11: kids at.

965
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 4: School don't learn as well.

966
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 11: Like those are ways to improve learning in the public

967
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 11: school community.

968
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Speaker 9: Many of those issues we've explored right here on this

969
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 9: channel together, administrative bloat, diverting critical resources away from classrooms,

970
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 9: a manufactured teacher shortage crisis, and other systemic inequalities. They

971
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 9: all need to be taken very, very seriously. But ultimately

972
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 9: I have to say this, the solution or the debate

973
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 9: over education is fundamentally philosophical, which is to say, do

974
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 9: we as a nation believe in a quality public education

975
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 9: system that opens its doors to everyone, regardless of their class, creed, color,

976
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 9: and we work together to reform that institution, or do

977
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 9: we believe that quality education is something of a privilege,

978
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 9: one in which public taxpayer money is turned over to

979
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Speaker 9: private entities that don't necessarily exist to improve educational outcomes,

980
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 9: but rather act as gate keepers deciding which children should

981
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 9: have access to, which type of school that has offered

982
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 9: me this time? What do you think about school choice?

983
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 9: Sound off in the comments section below. If you've been

984
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 9: enjoying these beyond the headline segments, I would highly encourage

985
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 9: you to check out and subscribe to my YouTube channel

986
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 9: fifty one forty nine with James Lee. Link will be

987
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 9: in the description below. Really appreciate that and as always,

988
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 9: keep on tuning into breaking points and thank you so

989
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 9: much for your time. Today.

990
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 8: Near renderings of the proposed new Titans stadium will released today.

991
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: Here's your home of the Buffalo bills about.

992
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: Two point one billion dollar price tax taxpayer dollars towards stadium.

993
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 9: Most people here in the valley are against using any

994
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 9: public money to help fund the proposed stadium.

995
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 12: Stadium doesn't seem like it's gonna fall down. This is

996
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 12: Charles Evans. By teen o nine, he had become the

997
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 12: sole owner of the Brooklyn Dodgers, and he wanted to

998
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 12: give them a new, modern home, not like the wooden

999
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 12: parks they had been playing in because sometimes those burned down.

1000
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 12: He decided to build a steel stadium. Ebbitts took seven

1001
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 12: hundred and fifty thousand dollars of his own money and

1002
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 12: paid for this ballpark to be built Ebbitts Field. In

1003
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 12: nineteen twelve, they broke ground and this stadium by Prospect Park,

1004
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 12: would be the home of the Brooklyn Dodgers.

1005
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 7: Now.

1006
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 12: In nineteen fifty one, the Commissioner of Baseball, this guy

1007
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 12: Ford Frick, basically said, hey, you know, we bring in

1008
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 12: all this money for these cities we create jobs, were

1009
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 12: doing these cities a favor by existing, they should reciprocate.

1010
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 12: This is when the cost of building these stadiums really

1011
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 12: started shifting from the sports franchise to the city that

1012
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 12: hosts the franchise. So the Dodgers had been playing at

1013
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 12: ebbitts Field since nineteen thirteen, and by the nineteen fifties,

1014
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 12: Walter O'Malley was the owner of the team. By this point,

1015
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 12: the Dodgers were one of the most profitable teams in baseball.

1016
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 12: O'Malley wanted to build a new stadium at the Atlantic

1017
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 12: Yards in Brooklyn, and he began threatening to move to

1018
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 12: la if the city didn't acquiesce. Now, it's worth noting

1019
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 12: that moving cities wasn't really a thing at the time.

1020
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 12: Until nineteen fifty three, no Major League Baseball team had moved.

1021
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 12: The first were the Boston Braves in nineteen fifty three,

1022
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 12: who had wanted to leave Boston because they were having

1023
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 12: trouble building a fan base and couldn't fill their stadium.

1024
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 12: Plus Milwaukee gave them a stadium using public money. In

1025
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 12: fifty four, the Saint Louis Browns became the Baltimore Orioles

1026
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 12: fifty five, the Philly Athletics became the Kansas City Athletics,

1027
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 12: but officials were unmoved by the Dodgers threats. As the

1028
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 12: mayor said, we don't intend to allow ourselves to be

1029
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 12: blackjacked into helping either the Dodgers or Giants financially. The

1030
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 12: New York Giants also wanted a new stadium. One congressman said,

1031
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 12: let the Dodgers move to Los Angeles if the alternative

1032
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 12: is to succumb to an arrogant demand to spend The

1033
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 12: taxpayers wanted to build a stadium for them in Brooklyn. Plus,

1034
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 12: the city had already spent one hundred and ten thousand

1035
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 12: dollars on studying the proposed site of the new stadium,

1036
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 12: and a new stadium probably would have meant extensive use

1037
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 12: of eminent domain to clear the space. This is exactly

1038
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 12: what happened fifty years later when they started working on

1039
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 12: the Barclay Center, which is exactly where they had proposed

1040
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 12: putting a field for the Dodgers. The new Dodger Stadium

1041
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 12: in LA would also negatively impact residents, and that's where

1042
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 12: they've been since nineteen fifty eight. But this would mark

1043
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 12: a new era where professional sports teams would threaten to

1044
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 12: pull out of cities unless they got a new stadium,

1045
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 12: which coincides with a new era of public funding for

1046
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 12: private stadiums. Let's take the NFL as an example. Head

1047
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 12: of thirty two teams, twenty seven used stadiums that were

1048
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 12: subsidized by taxpayers. These five teams play in stadiums that

1049
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 12: were privately funded, but the rest had helped from the public,

1050
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 12: and for the twenty twenty sixth season, the Titans and

1051
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 12: the Bills are getting new stadiums entirely, both with the

1052
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 12: aid of public financing. In the case of the Bills,

1053
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 12: people feared that they might move to San Diego if

1054
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 12: they weren't given a new stadium, and San Diego is

1055
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 12: in need of a team because the Charters moved from

1056
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 12: San Diego to La because they got a new stadium there.

1057
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 12: But the Bills got their stadium and New York citizens

1058
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 12: are going to contribute one billion dollars to it. The

1059
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 12: new Titan stadium is projected to cost one point two

1060
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 12: billion dollars for taxpairs. Psychotically, stadiums are considered to have

1061
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 12: hit middle age at about twenty years old, so if

1062
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 12: teams aren't working on acquiring whole new stadiums. They're working

1063
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 12: on one hundred million dollar plus repairs and upgrades. Governor

1064
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 12: Tony Evers would allocate two hundred and ninety million dollars

1065
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 12: from the state's surplus towards upgrades to American Family Field

1066
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 12: in exchange for the Milwaukee Brewers extending their lease at

1067
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 12: the stadium through twenty forty three. This is when all

1068
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 12: the teams moved into their stadiums, and these teams are

1069
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 12: all set to get these expensive renovations and repairs, some

1070
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 12: of which will be supported by tax payers. The Saints

1071
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 12: actually received twenty seven million dollars in pandemic aid for

1072
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 12: their recent renovations, but this is all in service to

1073
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 12: attracting or keeping a team. This is also a thing

1074
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 12: in lower levels of sports. The early two thousands in

1075
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 12: New Jersey saw a bunch of minor league baseball stadiums

1076
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 12: go up. One was Campbell's Field in Camden. It cost

1077
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 12: taxpayers eighteen million dollars. The team that played there was

1078
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 12: the River Sharks. The River Sharks and Campbell's Field were

1079
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 12: supposed to revitalize the impover city by being the centerpiece

1080
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 12: of an economic Development plan along the edge of the

1081
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 12: Delaware River. Actually, economic development is always the justification for

1082
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 12: publicly funding these stadiums, the idea being that if teams

1083
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 12: are here, as the former Commissioner of Baseball asserted, the

1084
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 12: local economy gets a boost. But things like naming rights, concessions,

1085
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 12: ticket sales, all the things that really generate money, there's

1086
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 12: not really any profit sharing between the team and the

1087
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 12: host city. In exchange for naming the stadium where the

1088
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 12: Panthers play Bank of America Stadium, Bank of America is

1089
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 12: paying the Panthers one hundred and forty million dollars, but

1090
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 12: the state doesn't get any of that or take concessions.

1091
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 12: Stadiums make as much as two million dollars per game

1092
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 12: on concessions, but none of that goes to the city.

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Speaker 12: So the economic boost comes from construction of the stadium,

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Speaker 12: hotel stays, traffic driven to the area. But in reality,

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Speaker 12: decades of academic studies consistently find no discernible positive relationship

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Speaker 12: between sports facilities and local economic development, income growth, or

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Speaker 12: job creation. So it's very unlikely that a sports team

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Speaker 12: is going to boost your local economy, especially if you've

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Speaker 12: made an investment in a team and they decide to

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Speaker 12: leave anyway. In nineteen ninety five, Saint Louis put two

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Speaker 12: hundred and eighty million dollars into a stadium for the Rams,

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Speaker 12: and when the Rams decided to move to LA taxpayers

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Speaker 12: still owed more than one hundred million dollars in debt

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Speaker 12: on the bonds used to finance the Edward Jones Dome,

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Speaker 12: where the Rams played. There are several examples of taxpayers

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Speaker 12: having to pay for stadiums after the team has stopped

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Speaker 12: using them. The River Sharks, who played at Campbell's Field

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Speaker 12: and Camden, moved to Connecticut, so taxpayers were then on

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Speaker 12: the hook for one million dollars to tear the stadium down.

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Speaker 12: The old Giant Stadium, demolished to make way for new

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Speaker 12: Meadowland Stadium, left New Jersey with a debt of one

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Speaker 12: hundred and ten million dollars. Seattle's King County had debt

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Speaker 12: over eighty million dollars for the Kingdome, which was raised

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Speaker 12: in two thousand and Here's the other thing. Voters don't

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Speaker 12: want to pay for your dumb stadium. Sometimes they do.

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Speaker 12: In the case of the Broncos Stadium, where fifty one

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Speaker 12: percent of voters approved the stadium proposals, but sometimes they don't.

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Speaker 12: San Diego voters overwhelmingly defeated a new downtown stadium plan

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Speaker 12: for the San Diego Chargers. Ballot Measure C in San

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Speaker 12: Diego asked voters whether they wanted to effectively increase the

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Speaker 12: city's hotel room tax rate from twelve point five percent

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Speaker 12: a new one point eight billion dollars stadium and convention center.

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Speaker 12: They did not, and so the chards moved to LA.

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Speaker 12: But often they aren't given a say at all for

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Speaker 12: the new Bills and Titan stadiums. Voters weren't consulted, however,

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Speaker 12: and after the fact poll of New York state voters

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Speaker 12: found that they opposed the bill's deal by a whopping

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Speaker 12: margin of sixty three percent to twenty four percent, with

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Speaker 12: A poll by a Nashville community group of residents of

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Speaker 12: the neighborhood where a new Titan stadium would be built

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Speaker 12: found ninety percent opposed to taxpayer funding of the project.

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Speaker 12: So if your city is considering paying for a new stadium,

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Speaker 12: it likely won't be the economic windfall they're telling you

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Speaker 12: will be. Now, maybe that doesn't matter to you. You

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Speaker 12: would vote for the stadium anyway. Either way, the citizenry

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Speaker 12: should probably be allowed to have a say. And regardless

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Speaker 12: of how badly you want that stadium, it should be

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Speaker 12: understood that no major sports team needs subsidies. You're not

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Speaker 12: voting on whether you want to keep a team or

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Speaker 12: improve a stadium. You're voting on whether or not to

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Speaker 12: acquiesce to the whims of an extremely wealthy team owner.

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Speaker 5: And that will do it for me.

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Speaker 4: Please do that.

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Speaker 12: Thank you to Breaking Points. Thank you so much for watching,

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Speaker 12: and I will see you in the next one.