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Speaker 2: All Right, Welcome into the Webstroit with Nick Great Podcast

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Speaker 2: YouTube show like rate, subscribe review. This is our special

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Speaker 2: serialized edition of the show as we countdown the fifty

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Speaker 2: greatest NBA players of the last fifty years. If you

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Speaker 2: missed our first episode in this series, we laid out

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Speaker 2: the parameters. We told you the guys who were too

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Speaker 2: you guys fifty to forty nine where Bernard King and

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Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthony heard their names called. Today, we are going

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Speaker 2: to give you the next five guys forty eight through

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Speaker 3: There listen most of these names. I'm certain you know.

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Speaker 2: There might be one name in particular you don't know,

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Speaker 3: So we will do all of that.

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Speaker 2: the regular podcast, We'll be shouting out in the names

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Speaker 2: have callers involved to ask some of the questions that you,

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Speaker 2: number forty eight, the forty eighth best player of the

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Speaker 2: last fifty years in the NBA. One Tiny Nate Archibald.

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Speaker 4: Number forty eight, Tiny Archibald.

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Speaker 3: So tiny Naight.

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Speaker 2: Archibald's resume reads as follow. He is three time first

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Speaker 2: And the reason if you do know his name, you

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Speaker 2: I believe the only players to ever win it at

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Speaker 2: to put a heavy emphasis in this show on postseason accomplishments.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty one, you could argue during the Celtics

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Speaker 2: of the NBA Finals. For Tiny Night Archibald, his inclusion

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Speaker 4: Number forty seven, Dennis Rodney.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about this, how disrespected defense is on

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Speaker 2: He was a massive part of the mini dynasty in Detroit.

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Speaker 2: He was a massive part of the final three championships

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Speaker 3: You saw it in the last Dance.

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Speaker 2: How much rope they gave him because they knew in

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Speaker 2: because when you talk about the greatest defenders that are nonsenters,

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Speaker 3: But Rodman was a massive part of winning throughout.

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Speaker 3: I think there's no question he on this list.

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Speaker 2: I thought he got snubbed from the NBA's original top

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Speaker 2: the updated top seventy five. We'll take a caller on

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Speaker 5: What's up Nick and Devon's It's a from LA I'm

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Speaker 5: a longtime Nick Wright. Stand first time caller, And my

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Speaker 5: question for Nick is about Dennis Rodman. Can a guy

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Speaker 5: To me, it's giving very much Draymond Green minus the passing,

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Speaker 2: He couldn't score, and he's not as good as a

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Speaker 2: Draymond also, we'll see how many more titles he wins,

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Speaker 3: Of this list seventy five of the last seventy five

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Speaker 2: Dismissing him, but as good of a defender as Draymond is,

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Speaker 2: Rodman I feel was a touch more impactful. In fact,

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Speaker 3: After that, there's you know, Dennis is at least.

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Speaker 2: In the argument with everybody else, and that first title

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Speaker 2: George Carlin's infinite wisdom let Gary Payton start to guard

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Speaker 3: He gave Michael fix.

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Speaker 2: I know Michael acted in the last dance like he

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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden Seattle wins Game four, Then

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Speaker 3: Now all of a sudden game six. It felt like

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Speaker 3: Was had one and it was winning MVPs in this league.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's see the next guy on the list.

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Speaker 2: Very different player than Dennis Rodman. Not known for his defense,

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Speaker 2: instead known for his scoring. It's number forty six, Dominique Wilkins.

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Speaker 4: Number forty six, Dominique Wilkins.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 2: Dominique Wilkins is one time first Team All NBA, four

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Speaker 3: His honors are as follows.

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Speaker 2: He was a scoring champion for his career, He's twenty

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Speaker 3: Has two other top fives.

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Speaker 2: Now the knock on Dominique never made round three.

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Speaker 3: However, you've got to look at who knocked him out.

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Speaker 2: He got knocked out twice by Milwaukee, And I promise

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Speaker 2: you you're about to be introduced to a player on that Milwaukee.

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Speaker 3: Team that gets forgotten the history.

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Speaker 2: But it was that Milwaukee team at Sidney Moncreef and

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Speaker 2: lost them twice. Who else did they lose to? Well,

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Speaker 2: they lost to Boston three times. Was Dominique supposed to

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Speaker 2: beat Bird Michale p No, he wasn't. Lost to him

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Speaker 3: He wasn't. Then in the nineties when.

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Speaker 2: He was still relevant. Guess who beat him in the

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Speaker 3: But you're he was outgunned consistently outgunned. However, he did

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Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty eight was his chance. The Celtics were on

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Speaker 3: Again, I'm just not holding it against him.

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Speaker 2: He averaged thirty one for the series, but it's burn

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would argue that Dominique

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Speaker 2: Drexler went to three finals. Two is the best player

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Speaker 2: that part has to matter, but it can't be all

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Speaker 2: who you are, but you're on live talking about Dominique Welcomes.

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Speaker 7: Obviously you're really thorough and you care a lot about

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Speaker 7: I just, for some reason, I don't recall that on

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I know this caller by the way, and

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you noticed what I noticed there,

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Speaker 2: But that's Gabe, and Gabe's got a very you know,

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Speaker 3: He could have taken that video anywhere he wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a coincidence or you know, a happy accent,

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Speaker 2: I see you, Gabe. Also, yeah, I mean look at that.

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Speaker 2: that a little distracting. But Inerston gave trying to you know,

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Speaker 2: he's trying to pocket shame over all the other callers.

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Speaker 2: I understand, But Dominique, these are one of those things

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Speaker 2: where domin the legend of that dunk contest overshadows how

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Speaker 2: good he was again twenty five points per game for

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Speaker 3: That doesn't really help you on this list, but it's

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Speaker 2: So I think Dominique, when you ask guys who played

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Speaker 2: just barely ahead of Carmelo, dominant scorer of his era.

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Speaker 2: I think Dominique was a touch better, and while Carmelo

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Speaker 2: The forty seven in game seven in the Garden. Again,

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in.

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Speaker 2: What's Right with Nick Right podcast and YouTube show. We

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Speaker 2: are counting down in a special series, the fifty greatest

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Speaker 2: players of the last fifty years. We have given you

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Speaker 3: We are now at number forty five. Number forty five.

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Speaker 2: Is a name everybody knows, and he at least has

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Speaker 2: one game everybody knows. But I don't know if people

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Speaker 2: know how big of a big game player Big Game

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Speaker 3: Number forty five is, of course James Worby.

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Speaker 4: Number forty five games worthy.

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Speaker 2: Now, he does not have the individual accolades to deserve

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Speaker 2: So how does he get here? Well, it's not like

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Speaker 2: of the finals. Let's go through it. He's a three

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Speaker 2: on the year. We're talking about one one hundred and

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Speaker 2: and it was two full seasons. Across all of those games,

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Speaker 2: As far as minutes fuell go percentage points, he got

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Speaker 2: better in the biggest spots. Eighty one times he scored

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Speaker 2: at least twenty in a playoff. Eighty one times James

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Speaker 2: to open the nineteen eighty seven finals against Boston. Now

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Speaker 2: some people would argue is the greatest team. Ever, how

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Speaker 2: Then next year, how does he end the finals? And

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Speaker 2: this is I mean, this is where he got his

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Speaker 3: Now you feel badly for the Pistons. You know anything

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Speaker 2: Game six was the Isaiah Thomas Sprain ankle game probably

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Speaker 2: tough call go against them with the Kareem shot at

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Speaker 3: But James Worthy can't control that.

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Speaker 2: Control what he can control thirty six, sixteen to ten

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Speaker 2: By the way, Game four of the Finals the next year,

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Speaker 2: Magic is out with an injury and James Worthy drops

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Speaker 2: The playoff numbers are just absolutely out of this world.

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Speaker 2: So I think people focus just on that Game seven,

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Speaker 2: who is a question about James Worth. Hey, Nick, it's

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Speaker 2: Matt from DC, just moved to LA where everyone is

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Speaker 2: obsessed with the Lakers.

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Speaker 7: Okay, now I get big game James.

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Speaker 3: He came through in the clutch and a lot of big.

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Speaker 7: Playoff games, but he was always the second or third

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Speaker 3: Okay, he always had Magic or Michael or Kareem.

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Speaker 2: If this guy played for any other team, nobody would

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Speaker 7: So I don't think he belongs in the top fifty.

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Speaker 3: So you all as an apology, not me so much,

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Speaker 3: Ma Newton Muggsy.

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Speaker 2: So listen, much love for min Newton Muggsy. But I

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Speaker 2: he played for another team, he'd have a bunch of

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Speaker 3: He's the number one pick of a draft. He won.

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Speaker 2: He's the best player on the national champion in college

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Speaker 3: Like again, number one pick of a draft.

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Speaker 2: It just happened to be the number one pick of

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Speaker 3: But I think it's undeniable how clutch he.

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Speaker 2: Was, how productive he was, kind of how much of

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Speaker 3: So I think number four.

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Speaker 2: If anything, thinking about it, I might have ranked James

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Speaker 2: too low, which brings us to a guy that the

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Speaker 2: whole world has ranked too low.

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Speaker 4: Number forty four, Sidney Moncreve.

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Speaker 2: So, Sidney moncree is four time All NBA Second Team,

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Speaker 2: one time All NBA First Team, And nobody knows this,

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Speaker 2: but now you do.

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Speaker 3: In the nineteen eighties, what two teams had the best records?

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Speaker 3: You probably know that you're like the Lakers and the Celtics.

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Speaker 2: Correct, what team had the third best record of the

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Speaker 2: eighties the Milwaukee Bucks.

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Speaker 3: Did they have a bunch of stars?

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Speaker 2: Nope, Marcus Johnson's a very good player, just made the

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. And Sidney moncree But so here's where

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Speaker 2: we've got to get, respect to defense. So Sidney Montcreeve

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Speaker 2: two times defensive Player, of the Year while averaging twenty

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Speaker 2: one points per game in his prime. So this guy's

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Speaker 2: giving you twenty points per game on better than fifty

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Speaker 2: percent shooting. He's six four and he's winning multiple Defensive

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Speaker 2: Player of the Years. He was top five MVP voting once.

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Speaker 2: It's five time All Defense. He's the best player on

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Speaker 2: a team that made the conference final three times. And

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Speaker 2: this is important. Much like we talked about with Dominie.

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Speaker 2: Here's who beat him in the playoffs. He got beat

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Speaker 2: by Doctor J, Sixers four times, Bird Celtics three times,

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Speaker 2: the Bad Boy Pistons twice, and Dominique Talks once. He

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Speaker 2: also beat Dominique Talks two times. But Sixers, Doctor J, Sixers,

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Speaker 2: Bird Celtics, and the Bad Boy Pistons those aren't fair fights.

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Speaker 2: And yet he was their deep playoff run semi playoff

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Speaker 2: runs every year.

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Speaker 3: So let's go through some of these playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty three he swept Bird Celtics, averaging twenty three,

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Speaker 2: seven and four again while playing all world defense. It

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Speaker 2: was and then that year they played the Sixers. They

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Speaker 2: were the only team to take even one game off

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Speaker 2: the Sixers.

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Speaker 3: The reason the Sixers.

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Speaker 2: Didn't go faux faux fo the way Moses Mullan said

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Speaker 2: they would Sixers. The eighty three Sixers are arguably the

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Speaker 2: greatest team ever. The only team to beat him was

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Speaker 2: Sidney Monkers Bucks. That's nineteen eighty three, nineteen eighty five.

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Speaker 2: I know we're not allowed to talk about this, but

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Speaker 2: it happened. He averaged twenty seven five and five while

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Speaker 2: guarding a shooting guard you might have heard of named

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, beating them three games to one.

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Speaker 3: That happened. People act like it didn't happen. It happened.

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Speaker 3: How could it happen?

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Speaker 2: Jordan was six and oh because we don't count the

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Speaker 2: times he lost in the six and oh round one

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five, Sydney Moncrief guarding Jordan twenty seven five

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Speaker 2: and five, his team wins three games to one. Nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty six, he had twenty three in a game seven

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Speaker 2: win while injured against doctor j and older doctor j

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Speaker 2: Admodley and a young Charles Barkley, and they beat the Sixers. Finally,

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven, down three to one to Bird trying

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Speaker 2: to beat Bird again. Had back to back playoff career

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Speaker 2: highs of thirty three and thirty four to force the

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Speaker 2: Game seven that they then lost. So I don't know

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Speaker 2: Howdney Moncreek. If you average twenty one a game for

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Speaker 2: the prime of your career, annual defensive player of the Year,

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Speaker 2: and you beat Burden a playoff series once, and you

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Speaker 2: beat Michael on the playoff series once.

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Speaker 3: And you beat Doctor j and Charles Barkley in a playoff.

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Speaker 2: Series once, and you're on a team in the eighties

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Speaker 2: that's relevant every single year, and yet you're not making

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Speaker 2: the top seventy five list. It's just criminal demons. I

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Speaker 2: know you have very strong Sydney montcreef opinions.

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Speaker 3: What's up? I mean, this guy sounds like a good player.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but best player on a three time conference finalist

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Speaker 4: put you at top fifty.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Paul George did that. Okay?

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Speaker 4: Are you?

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Speaker 3: Are you really just trying to flex that you know

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Speaker 3: older players.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not trying to flex that I know older players. However,

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Speaker 2: we must give respect to our elders that have earned it.

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Speaker 2: And I understand the idea that he did the same

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Speaker 2: thing technically that Paul George did, but he did it's

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Speaker 2: not the same thing as what Paul George did, And

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Speaker 2: Paul George in the Defensive Player of the Year, and

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Speaker 2: Paul George doesn't have the moment Moncrief had, and so

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Speaker 2: I just he has been oddly.

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Speaker 3: Forgotten to history.

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Speaker 2: Again, I want to resay, there's people like he never

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Speaker 2: made the finals. What was the year he was supposed

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Speaker 2: to when the Sixers were making them every year in

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Speaker 2: the early eighties, or when the Celtics were making them

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Speaker 2: every year in the mid eighties, or when the Pistons

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Speaker 2: were making them every year in the late eighties.

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Speaker 3: Like, there's that's who you had to go through.

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Speaker 2: You had to go through Doctor j and Andrew, Tony

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Speaker 2: and Moses, and you had to go through Bird McHale

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Speaker 2: and Parish. Then you had to go through the bad

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Speaker 2: boy Pistons. It was a stack deck. Two time Defensive

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Speaker 2: Player of the Year. I think he was the second

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Speaker 2: most egregious omission of the top seventy five lists the

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Speaker 2: NBA just released. As it happens, the very most egregious

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Speaker 2: omission of the NBA's top seventy five lists is our

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Speaker 2: number forty three player on our countdown of the top fifty,

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Speaker 2: and we will reveal him next week.