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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, y'all, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today we

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Speaker 2: have Victoria Larson joining us. She was on our podcast

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Speaker 2: back in December, but it well, first off, you may

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Speaker 2: remember her from Matt James this season. She was the

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Speaker 2: quote villain and she was here in December talking about

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Speaker 2: her stint on the House of Villains on E and

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Speaker 2: now we wanted to have her back to talk about

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Speaker 2: Matt James since you know, he's been a hot topic

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Speaker 2: lately and specifically this TikTok that she released about Bachelor

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Speaker 2: production manipulating her.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I did, thank you for having me, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just post on my TikTok so casually without thinking,

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Speaker 1: and then I'm like, oops, people are watching. Does that

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Speaker 1: happen to you? Guys like you forget?

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Speaker 3: No, I never forget. I'm scared of all oil post

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Speaker 3: I never I never do anything. I'm overthoughtful about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I will say this.

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Speaker 2: Ben was talking about how not just how one of

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Speaker 2: our closest executive producers seems to be on the outs

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Speaker 2: this month, but a lot basically anyone that we knew

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Speaker 2: from our time on the Bachelor might be gone after

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Speaker 2: I heard that this coming finale, and I have then

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Speaker 2: zero ties and no one to I don't care about

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Speaker 2: talking as much if there's nobody there that I truly

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Speaker 2: care about out of you, not that they I really

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Speaker 2: have much tea to spill, but like if I and

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Speaker 2: especially not about my experience. However, if I see certain

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Speaker 2: things now watching the show, like, I'll feel a little

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Speaker 2: bit more free to comment.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I'm glad you say like your experience too,

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Speaker 1: because whenever people ask me like, oh, how is it

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Speaker 1: on the Bachelor, I'm like, well, my experience was this,

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Speaker 1: Like each person has a totally different experience, so right,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, and I've seen things going around now like

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Speaker 1: some girl, you know, whoever was the villain this year

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Speaker 1: kind of went through the ringer, but I haven't followed.

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Speaker 3: Enough so I have. I kind of want to go

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Speaker 3: into the psychological sides of your TikTok okay because when

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Speaker 3: and I could be wrong, I want to talk this

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Speaker 3: through with you because I want to try to get

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Speaker 3: to an understanding of how somebody becomes a villain. I

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Speaker 3: think we talked in December about the villain on my

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Speaker 3: season was Olivia creedy, and I think it was very

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Speaker 3: unfair to her, just not who she is. And but you, okay,

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Speaker 3: so you said you were manipulated, I think to be

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Speaker 3: the villain because you wanted screen time. If I remember

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Speaker 3: in December, though, you kind of own that, you like

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Speaker 3: kind of own the screen time idea that you like

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Speaker 3: to be on TV. You obviously agree to go on

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Speaker 3: House of Villains with the title of villains. And so

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Speaker 3: I want to get an understanding of why this TikTok

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Speaker 3: came out.

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Speaker 1: Now, well, okay, maybe manipulated is a strong word, but

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Speaker 1: it wasn't meant in a malicious way. It's just it

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Speaker 1: was a TikTok trend. Like I just threw something up.

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Speaker 2: Manipulated was a TikTok trend.

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Speaker 1: No, Like the trend was the sound, and then you

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Speaker 1: put it with like like the trend was you're so funny,

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Speaker 1: here's a horrible experience I went through, and like, you know,

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Speaker 1: that was the trend. So yeah, I think that's why

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Speaker 1: I put it up. And I think as in December

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Speaker 1: when I was on House Civilians, I was embracing that role,

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Speaker 1: rolling with the punches, and I don't know, it just

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Speaker 1: wasn't a serious TikTok and then it got a little

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Speaker 1: bit blown up.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so that this helps, so you this wasn't kind

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Speaker 3: of a tell all. Let's it's wild timing. So I

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Speaker 3: think the audience is watching this in San Okay, Victoria

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Speaker 3: or calling them out at a time when articles are

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Speaker 3: getting released. Yeah, exactly that it's an unhealthy idea.

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Speaker 1: I actually do live under a rock with the Bachelor stuff,

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Speaker 1: like I'm not tuned in. It's I saw the Matt

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Speaker 1: and Rachel think from Call Her Daddy, but like Bachelor news,

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Speaker 1: I really I'm not tuned in.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So let me update you because I want to

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Speaker 3: get your thoughts now about at the same time that

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Speaker 3: your TikTok came out, they pretty much are well. The

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Speaker 3: executive producers the Bachelor have now left. They are no

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Speaker 3: longer working on the show. And when Ashley said there's

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Speaker 3: nobody really on the show that you would know in

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Speaker 3: terms of production, that is going to probably become a

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Speaker 3: very true statement. In a week. We don't know how

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Speaker 3: many people have been let go or have left.

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Speaker 1: I heard of that because one of my producers from

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Speaker 1: How Civilians It's now doing Paradise, So like I hear

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Speaker 1: talks about it, but I didn't know there was like

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Speaker 3: So it's great timing, and I thought that would my

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Speaker 3: questions were leading into. I thought this was maybe a

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Speaker 3: time where you said, Okay, if staff is speaking up

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Speaker 3: about an unhealthy working environment, maybe I will speak up

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Speaker 3: about my experience on the show and let people know

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Speaker 3: what it's like to be a cast member who is

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Speaker 3: cast or at least produced to be a villain.

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Speaker 1: No, actually not at all, like complete coincidence, like she

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Speaker 1: was just doing a trend.

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Speaker 3: Guess.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wondering why it went viral, But now

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Speaker 1: it makes sense. I had done pilates with someone, so

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Speaker 1: since we last talked, I was going to get back

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Speaker 1: into aviation. I randomly got back into pilates. Was coaching

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Speaker 1: a client and I'm like, yeah, none of my things

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Speaker 1: go viral, and he does marketing. He's like, well, you

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Speaker 1: have to comment back to people to like boost the algorithm.

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Speaker 1: So I thought that's why. Still had no idea until

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Speaker 1: you guys just told me. But that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Well it's your reaction then, I mean, you just found

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Speaker 3: out that it went viral because it was a great video.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to take it away from you that

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Speaker 3: it wasn't a viral worthy video, but now that you

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Speaker 3: know the context at which it was posted and you're

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Speaker 3: finding this out in real time, I would love to

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Speaker 3: hear your real time thoughts on how this is all looking.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I guess change is always inevitable,

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Speaker 1: and I believe change is good. And I think that I, personally,

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Speaker 1: as a viewer of TV, don't enjoy toxic drama anymore.

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Speaker 1: Like I used to love The Housewives, I can't even

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Speaker 1: watch it anymore. I don't feel good after watching that

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Speaker 1: type of show. And I do know a lot of

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Speaker 1: the comments I got were, you know, like you're taking

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Speaker 1: away from Matt's love story, And I think when people

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Speaker 1: watch The Bachelor, they want to see love stories, they

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily want the drama. Although on the contrary, there's

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Speaker 1: other people that are like, we only watch for you,

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Speaker 1: we love the drama. So it's hard to say, but

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Speaker 1: I think that this next generation is a very positive

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Speaker 1: love story TV show rather than drama.

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Speaker 2: Well that that's very nice. Considering we were crapping on

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Speaker 2: Gens yesterday, we were like they don't have I don't

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Speaker 2: know how to have conversations.

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Speaker 1: That they don't, but I still think they like good vibes.

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Speaker 3: And that's true.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, And you know you have two young boys,

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Speaker 1: so you'll want them to grow up in like a

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Speaker 1: more positive, loving universe. And I think because I even

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Speaker 1: thought about it, like one of my pilates instructors is

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Speaker 1: like this gay guy and he's fabulous, but he's like

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Speaker 1: he's saying, how like the old school gays were much

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Speaker 1: more catty, And I mean gay friends now are like

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Speaker 1: fabulous and kind, and I think a lot of society

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Speaker 1: is moving towards that.

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Speaker 3: Good.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that you have this. Meant that's very

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Speaker 2: that's very sweet. And I do feel like you were

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Speaker 2: putting on a show a little bit during Matt James'

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Speaker 2: season and you said that, But there.

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Speaker 1: Are elements of both, Like I was putting on a

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Speaker 1: show in some regard because like I said, like I'm

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Speaker 1: rolling with the punches, but there were parts of it

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Speaker 1: where I was like young, it was my first time

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Speaker 1: And I think what people aren't understanding is they think

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Speaker 1: it's either black or white, like were you manipulated or

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Speaker 1: were you this? And it's like combo, there was some

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's definitely kind of a paradox overlay that

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Speaker 2: you have on top of this TikTok because you said

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Speaker 2: you were manipulated into being the villain because you wanted airtime,

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Speaker 2: and it entertained during COVID when everything was canceled culture.

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Speaker 2: So basically you're saying like, I maybe wasn't so manipulated

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Speaker 2: because I wanted to go along with things that were spicy.

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Speaker 1: I guess the manipulation was I did not realize the

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Speaker 2: Well, you didn't know that scary music would go behind

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Speaker 2: what you were saying and make it sound way more

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Speaker 1: And even when I was talking to Katie, this popped

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Speaker 1: up on my TikTok the other day. When I had

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Speaker 1: the conversation with Katie. I do remember that specifically, they

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Speaker 1: I mean, if that's not manipulation, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: it is. But it's also then people say you have

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Speaker 1: to Paradise, I learned, oh, I can say no, Like

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that my first time. I really didn't.

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Speaker 1: So that's where I say like it was manipulated because

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Speaker 1: and I was like, I would never do that, and

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Speaker 1: they were like, just do it, it'll be funny. So

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Speaker 1: like things like that. I mean, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: what would you say? Say is a word to describe

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Speaker 3: I mean mine would be at a time. And this

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Speaker 3: is not a hit to you. It's easily influenced.

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Speaker 1: Oh for sure.

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Speaker 3: I was, Yeah, you didn't know. I mean it's a

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Speaker 3: wild statement, in a powerful statement a lot of ways.

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Speaker 3: And I think one that a lot of people going

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Speaker 3: could say no, which is a very which isn't like

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say this and say that like

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Speaker 3: no isn't a reasonable response. They might not like it.

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Speaker 3: They might get pushy.

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Speaker 1: You might have to say no like five times.

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Speaker 3: You also may not get as far. Yeah exactly, I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't say yeah. I mean I would say that, you know,

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Speaker 3: I said no many times. You know, there's especially as

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Speaker 3: a lead.

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Speaker 1: But they'll still test you like you have to be

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Speaker 1: so firm you. I really do believe, like when you

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Speaker 1: go on that show, you have to know who you are.

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Speaker 1: And when I went on that show, it was like

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Speaker 1: I was young living in La, which now that I

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Speaker 1: moved back to LA, I see how much I've grown

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Speaker 1: a place where you can lose your identity a little bit.

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Speaker 1: So I was in that situation and then went on

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Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, I was definitely very easily influenced.

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Speaker 3: There's a few things in the comments of your TikTok.

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Speaker 3: And then I want to move on to your House

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Speaker 3: of Villains choice, because I do think it very much

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Speaker 3: relates to this TikTok in the sense that you don't

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Speaker 3: want to be the villain, but you went on a

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Speaker 1: No, And even my friends who watched it were like,

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Speaker 3: So you would say you were you were more of

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Speaker 3: House of Villains, Is that true?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so, because how Civillains like, they show

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Speaker 3: Experience that's interesting. So yeah, would you you don't regret

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Speaker 2: I loved House of Villains And how was that produced differently?

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Speaker 1: I never saw a production and that's what we're talking

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Speaker 1: like my experience oftentimes on Bachelor, like they would make

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Speaker 1: Civilians it's like all stars, Like these people know how

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Speaker 2: But characters. So would you say that they have like

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Speaker 1: Definitely, Candy the drag queen like puts on a show.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, and Safari too. Safari likes to act. He's

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Speaker 3: TV is obviously something that you've thrived in. I mean,

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Speaker 1: You know, have exciting news. I'm doing a movie like

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of just playing the hot, dumb girl, which

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Speaker 3: The hate and the online you know noise is really hard,

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Speaker 3: know today, like if it happened, it would still affect me,

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Speaker 3: You go on House of Villains, you enjoy that experience.

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Speaker 3: And so where I want this to go is you

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Speaker 3: You're more confident, you're getting into acting, You're staying out

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Speaker 1: First of all, I would say it would have been

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Speaker 1: I would say, this too shall pass, you know, and

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Speaker 3: If it makes you feel any better. There's probably two

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a pro You'll be memorable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're memorable. So sure if Paradise calls, I don't

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Speaker 3: You said, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Would maybe do it. And there's new producers now, so

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Speaker 1: it could be a cool experience.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: And you had a feud with Katie Thurston on Matt

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Speaker 1: Her and I have kept in touch, but not like consistently.

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Speaker 2: And then Mad James, so yeah, he's a single man. Now,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I watched Rachel's interview. I feel bad for her.

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Speaker 2: Too, well, Matt James, You're welcome to come on our podcast.

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Speaker 3: Would love that.

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Speaker 2: I think he's actually gonna stay quiet about this breakup though,

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Speaker 2: I think he knows that's what's probably best for him,

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Speaker 2: being that Rachel is really to steal your title living

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Speaker 1: She looks fabulous. Yeah, but it's also like, remember the

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Speaker 1: and like, I mean, did you guys watch what was it? Traders?

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Speaker 1: that show. And it's like, as we were talking about earlier,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would. I would just say though, if you

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Speaker 2: And what Jared always says is if you are not

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Speaker 1: Well, guys, that's why I posted the TikTok like I

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Speaker 3: It's it's it was. It was great timing unbeknownst to you,

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Speaker 3: Which is one of the most like comedic takeaways from

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Speaker 3: the show, the show is calling out themselves with mass

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Speaker 3: mass exodus and and the show will look very different. Now, Victor,

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Speaker 3: you got to look into this. This is this is happening.

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Speaker 3: Staff is leaving. We don't know what the Bachelor's going

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Speaker 3: to look like in a year or who's going to

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Speaker 3: be running it, and so your TikTok was wildly good

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Speaker 3: timing for you not planning it.

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Speaker 1: I'm in alignment still with Bachelor Nation.

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Speaker 3: It's right you somehow get it, Victoria. Next time you

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Speaker 3: have a big TikTok, come back on, let's talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we wish you the best. We'll be tuning

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Speaker 3: into this movie announcement. It's a big deal. Congratulations. And

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Speaker 3: then also if you get the phone call for Paradise

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Speaker 3: and if you say yes, we would love to see it.

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Speaker 3: One more redemption story for Victoria Larson. Until next time,

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Speaker 3: I've been been.

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Speaker 2: I've been Ashley, Victoria, last time, I was scared to

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Speaker 2: talk to you this time.

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Speaker 1: Thank You're so nice. Goodbye bye to Ben and Ashley.

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