1 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor production of I Her Radio 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: and Stuff Media. I'm Annus and I'm Lauren Vogue OBAM 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: and today we're talking about animal crackers. We are. Oh yes, yes, 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: I I was saying before the podcast started. I am 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: not the biggest fan of animal crackers. You do you 6 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: want to go ahead and give the listeners your opinion 7 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: about them. I think they're bland. I think they're boring, 8 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: And I don't know why you'd waste your time on them, oh, 9 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: like like like wasting your calories, like when there's so 10 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: many more like flavorful, explosive things to eat, exactly, see, 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: I I like them, like sometimes I just want something 12 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: like nice and simple and um. And we do have 13 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: a very large jug of the Staffers brand here in 14 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: our office, and so sometimes I'm just like, oh, yeah, 15 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have an afternoon cup of coffee and I'm 16 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: going to have some animal crackers. Do you take pleasure 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: in biting off the head? Is there any like? Oh? 18 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: I definitely used to when I was here. These days, 19 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm more just like shoving them in my mouth, will 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: hunching further and further into my laptop. So I just 21 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: hear like a rattling animal crackers going everywhere like cooking monster. Yeah, 22 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: they seem to be a popular snack in our office. Yeah, 23 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: we go through those those bigs. Yeah they're big. Well 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: maybe I'm of the I'm an outlier. I don't know. 25 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: I do have a fan fiction, a favorite fan fiction 26 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: that involves animal crackers. For what fandom Harry Potter. Because 27 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: he's alone in the cover, he has to find toys. 28 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: It's really sad actually, because they're like too bad. Anyway, 29 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: this is a fan fiction. I didn't really have his book, 30 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: just to make that clear. Um. Also, I have never 31 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: been to the circus. Oh wow, Um yeah I have. 32 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: I went when I was a kid, you know, back 33 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: when they still had like tigers and the whole thing. Um. 34 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: I remember being a little bit freaked out by it. Uh. 35 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: There were just it was a lot. There were a 36 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: lot of like sounds and noises and humans. And uh. 37 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: I did not eat animal crackers there. I did have 38 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: cotton candy and maybe a snow cone that came in 39 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: like a big mug. I still have the mug. It's 40 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: pretty cool to handle as a tiger tail. Anyway. Um. Yeah, 41 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: we almost got to do a video series with with 42 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: the Ringling Brothers right before they shut down. But then 43 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: they shut down and we didn't get to do it, 44 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: And I'm so mad that I didn't get to go 45 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: on their trappies and meet their clowns and talk about 46 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: all of the weird like stunt stuff that they do 47 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: and all of the acrobatics. And I I feel like 48 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: this is a pretty good window into your personality because 49 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people that would be like 50 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: a nightmare, but you're just writing I get to go 51 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: on the Trappies and talk to the clouds. That was 52 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: like one of my first question Like THEO were two 53 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: of my big questions. Like when I was on the 54 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: phone with these people, I was just like, Okay, how 55 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: many clowns can I meet? Can I go on the Trappies? 56 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: Like what? All right? I mean we'll figure out the 57 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: actual content later. But they were like, I guess, like 58 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 1: like back away, we're gonna put a safety net down. 59 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: I was like please do. I mean, I also don't 60 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: want to injure myself. I'm going to fail terribly being 61 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: on that trappeee. I need to try it. Anyway. We 62 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: over on the other show, I do stuff and never 63 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: told you we did an episode and partially with your help, 64 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: about female clowns, and I was trying to figure out 65 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: because I don't have a fear of clowns, even though 66 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of the the traditional movies that 67 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: came from UM. So I was trying to fige out 68 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: why I had because when I was a kid, I 69 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: never really wanted to go to the circus and it 70 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: was dumb though. It was definitely dumb though freaked me 71 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: out and I thought, I don't want to go in 72 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: you where I probably would have liked it. But yeah, 73 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: that's that's definitely what it was. Huh. I Dumbo is upsetting, 74 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: It really is. I never watched it, Like once I 75 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: graduated from that kind of Disney sect, I feel like 76 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: there were some that were aimed towards even younger group. Yeah, yeah, 77 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: I never watched it again. Maybe maybe it's time to 78 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: revisit it. It is the month of Halloween. But anyway, okay, okay, okay, 79 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: let's get to our questions. Animal crackers, what are I think? Well? Uh, 80 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: animal crackers are a type of baked good typically made 81 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: from wheat flour dough that's lightly sweetened, rolled flat, and 82 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: baked until crunchy uh more often called a cookie in 83 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: the United States and a biscuit in non American English. Uh. 84 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: And what puts the animal in animal crackers is that 85 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: they're stamped out in the sort of egg shape of 86 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: animals um, usually turn of the twentieth century zoo and 87 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: or circus animals like lions and tigers and bears. Am i. Um. 88 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, your mileage may vary. They're they're typically as 89 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: you have said, lightly flavored. Yes. Uh. There's usually a 90 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: little bit of like warm spice in there, like a ginger, nutmeg, 91 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: a little bit of vanilla or almond or something like that. 92 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: But yes, they're fairly plain um, which means that together 93 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: with the fun animal shapes they're often associated with, like 94 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: picky young children. Um. There are varieties that include a 95 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: iced with either like a hard white or pink icing, 96 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: topped with sprinkles, usually little ball sprinkles. Um. They can 97 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: be dipped in chocolate or perhaps made with something like 98 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: cocoa in the dough for a little bit of a 99 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: little bit more of a flavor, bit more of a kick, 100 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: not a whole lot a little bit um. Yeah. And 101 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: there's sort of like a like a low butter shortbread, 102 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: just real light and crisp. It's it's a rolled dough cookie, 103 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: sometimes with layers of rolled dough stacked and rolled together 104 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: to create like really thin, crisp layers within the cookie. 105 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: That's a process called laminating. When you could see our 106 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: episode on croissants for more about that. And these days, 107 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: the ingredients and processing for mass produced animal crackers at 108 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: any rate is pretty much identical to that of graham crackers, um, 109 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: except grahams are usually dyed brown and more frequently maybe 110 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: cooked a little bit longer, flavored with with cinnamon, and 111 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: of course are not shaped like animals. But otherwise, yeah, 112 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: it's pretty much the same. Dough shaking my head. I 113 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: tried to tryump side by side. It's gonna blow y'ell's mind, 114 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: I swear, Oh my gosh. Well, what about the nutrition? 115 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: Will that blow our minds? I mean, I don't know. 116 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: It depends. It depends on your threshold for mind. Yeah, 117 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: I guess for for a grain based snack, they're they're 118 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: fairly low and fat and sugar, so they're like pretty 119 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: low in calories if that's the thing that you're looking for. 120 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: They have a little bit of protein, from the wheat 121 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: plus a few vitamins and minerals, so you know, like 122 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: for a cookie, they're fine. Yeah, they certainly lean into that, 123 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: and they're advertising, Oh my gosh, they do. We're not 124 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: a cookie, we're an animal cracker. Crackers are healthy. I'm 125 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: confused about the entire marketing of that. Yeah, yeah, me too. 126 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are. If we look 127 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: at numbers each year here in the U. S. And 128 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: seventeen other countries, around forty million packages of animal crackers 129 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: are sold. For some folks, these crackers are extremely nostalgic 130 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: from what I read, and I'd say that they have 131 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: a certain nostalgia factor for me. Yeah, it's interesting because 132 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: there has been a lot of um specifically with Nibisco 133 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: and Barnums animal crackers. There's been a lot of animal 134 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: cracker news lately there and Nabisca has been pretty that 135 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: they won't say exactly how many have been sold as 136 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: of like most recent numbers, But I just find that interesting. 137 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: They're like, no, no, no, no, need for you to 138 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: know about that, but this is the most recent numbers 139 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: we have. Um as the Biscuit was producing some seven 140 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: million animal crackers her day. UM the category can be 141 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: a bit wider than what you might be thinking, though, 142 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: things like goldfish and Teddy Grams are sometimes considered as 143 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: animal crackers. No, yeah, I was like, nope, no, totally 144 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: totally different products, different, different consistency, different radio. I'm taking 145 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: stand it's not the same thing. Just because their animal 146 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: shape does not make them animal crackers. Yes, it's more 147 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: than that they are. Until recently, each Nibisco brand box 148 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: had twenty two crackers and nineteen different animals. Two bears, 149 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: one standing and one sitting, a camel, a cougar, a bison, 150 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: an elephant, a draft, a hippo, hyena, kangarooal, a lion, 151 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: a monkey, rhinoceros, a seal, a sheep, a tiger, and 152 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: a zebra. Again, there's been a lot of updates to this. 153 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: There has, so I tried to like make sure that 154 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: they haven't changed everything. But this is what I found 155 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: the most recent, which is recent. A lot of these 156 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,119 Speaker 1: animals were and are chosen based on the size, fragility, 157 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: and ability to hopefully survive transport intact. Some past animals 158 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: have included the walrus, the red fox, the antelope, jaguar, 159 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: and American elk. More on some of those later. I 160 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: just did the that's very particular. Yes, that is from 161 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: what we do in the Shadows, and I love it 162 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: so much. It's like a simple line, but it's one 163 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: of my favorite lines of the movies. Yes it's a 164 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: total accident, but I'm in my Halloween horror mine. Yes, um, 165 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: and yes, we do have a big jug of the 166 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: is that staffers? How did you say? Oh? I said staffers, 167 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: but I have no idea how it's pronounced. I wasn't 168 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: thinking about the staffers. Uh, let's say staffers. Sure. Apologies 169 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: to anyone out there if you know the right answer 170 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: to this question. Right, And let us now. This company 171 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: that we can't pronounce the name of, by the way, 172 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: does have an animal cracker identifier up on their website, 173 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: which I find delightful. Um. And according to it, their 174 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: current animals are a bear, buffalo, camel, cat, cow, donkey, elephant, goat, hippo, horse, lion, rhino, 175 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: and tiger. Mm hmm. I'm going to look this up 176 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: afterwards because there's some I'm like, how well I know 177 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: the difference between the cat and the tiger. Oh, I 178 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: mean the lion. I guess the lion has a mate 179 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: probably okay, alright, alright, alright. According to Mental Falls as sixteen, 180 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: if you look at all the other cracker brands combined 181 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: with Nibisco, fifty four animals have been made into animal cracker. 182 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: For I feel like I'm made it. If I was 183 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: an animal, I'm gone. It's an animal cracker. It's like 184 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: the same thing with the Harry Potter, the cars, the 185 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,599 Speaker 1: chocolate frogs. You've made it if you're if you're on 186 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: the car, exactly exactly. The Numbisco factory in New Jersey 187 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: uses eight thousand miles of string a year for animal 188 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: cracker packaging, or they used to. Nowadays the box comes 189 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: with a cardboard handle as a saving measure, and a 190 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: lot of people aren't happy about this. You can still 191 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: find some of the boxes with the string, but if 192 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: you get them off of Amazon or a lot of 193 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: the online sites, it's a little card a little cardboard. 194 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: I can't say that I have a distinct opinion about 195 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: this difference me either, but I can see the string like, 196 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: I feel like that's a bit cuter. We'll get into 197 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: why they chose the string and in mere moments. Um 198 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: April is National Animal Crackers Day, and I totally forgot 199 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: about the animal crackers in my soup Shirley Temple song 200 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: until we did this episode, and now it's in my 201 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: brain and will not go away. I haven't seen that 202 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 1: some curly top, right, Yeah, I haven't seen that one, 203 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: and so I have no idea. I had no idea 204 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: that this existed until we started doing research for this episode. 205 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: But I can picture in my mind, Da how the 206 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: song probably goes, and I'm probably gonna wind up listening 207 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: to it and regretting my decision. I feel this is 208 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: kind of an amazing moment. I can't believe you've escaped this. 209 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: It's very uh, it's an airworm. I believe you is 210 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: an earworm. But that about brings us to a history segment. 211 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: But first it brings us to a quick break for 212 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsoring, Yes, 213 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: thank you. So animal crackers in history, yes so. Going 214 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: way back on Norse and Germanic winter holiday traditions included 215 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: a baking breads and later cookie type stuff like gingerbreads 216 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: into animal shapes. By medieval times, this was a very 217 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: like posh and sophisticated art form, very very expensive. By 218 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: the Middle of the eighteen hundreds, industrial manufacturing had made 219 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: the process much much, much cheaper, and the made these 220 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: products more varied and accessible and widespread. Yes, and you 221 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: can see our Gingerbread episode which we hilariously published in 222 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: the middle of the summer. Uh for more on that. 223 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: I guess it was for people in the southern hemisphere, 224 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: you know, Christmas in July um and like super quickly. 225 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: The circus in its earliest form is believed to go 226 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: back at least as far as twelve fifty BC. In 227 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: medieval Europe, tightrope walking was a banned by the church, 228 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: thought to be an act of witchcraft. Oh wow, that's 229 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: that's terrible great. At the same time, I had to 230 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: include it. The modern circus is a more recent thing, though, 231 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: I thought to have originated around seventeen sixty s and 232 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: I went on such a rabbit hole. The history of 233 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: the circus is fascinating. Oh yeah, oh man, I'm like, 234 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: we have to do an episode on that. And then 235 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, we're a food show. I'm not sure, how 236 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: can we make this happen? Oh. Towards the end of 237 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century, the British introduced sweet cookies or biscuits 238 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: molded into the shape of various animals, and these cookies 239 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: were called animal biscuits, or sometimes just animals. The first 240 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: known recipe came to us courtesy of J. D. Junahan 241 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: and eighteen seventy seven's Secrets of the Bakers and Confectioner's Trade. 242 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: It was for a big batch, I hope, with ingredients 243 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: like one barrel of flour, sixteen pounds of large, forty 244 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: pounds of sugar, six and three quarters gallons of milk, 245 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: twelve ounces of soda, and eight ounces of ammonia. The 246 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: first U. S company to manufacture animal crackers was Stafford 247 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: Biscuit Company in eighteen seventy one. They reportedly used the 248 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: same recipe to this day. In eighteen seventy six, Walter G. 249 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: Wilson touted animal crackers he called zoologicals at the Centennial 250 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: Exposition in Philadelphia. This brings us to nineteen o two, 251 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: the first year the National Biscuit Company, now shot into Nibiscuoe, 252 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: began producing Barnum's Animals, so named for P. T. Barnum, 253 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: of course, the showman and circus master who shows frequently 254 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: exhibited so called exotic animals in cages and that circus 255 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: aesthetic translated to the iconic packaging the colorful circus car box, 256 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: complete with the wheels, the door that you could pop out, 257 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: and all of it topped with that string so that 258 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: it could later serve as a Christmas ornament. Yeah. Um, 259 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: once the animal crackers were gone. Obviously, probably that was 260 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: actually one of the main inspirations behind the packaging and 261 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: color choice of primarily red and green. It was a 262 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: Christmas promotion. Most children seemed to think that it was 263 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: more of a purse situation. Now that's definitely what I thought. Um, 264 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: and this this box would run you a cool five cents. Yes. 265 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: Prior to this packaging, the crackers were frequently bought in 266 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: bulk from a barrel, and that's where we get the 267 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: phrase cracker barrel. Blew my mind. That's where my threshold is. 268 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: And then commercial designer Sydney as Stern, he's the one 269 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: who came up with the signature now retired design spoiler 270 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: alert in nine. He was the great grand uncle of 271 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: Daisy Aliotto, who wrote an article about him and his 272 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: design over at Fox and it's really worth checking out 273 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: because it delves into what makes real art and the 274 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: title of that article if you're trying to look it up. 275 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: Is the big problem with the animal crackers cage free 276 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: box design? Yes, yeah, it's it's really it was interesting. 277 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: I hadn't really considered just you know, when you're a 278 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: commercial artist and it's teamed, it's not real art. It's 279 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: kind of the same with music when you quote sell out. 280 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: It was really it was really cool, cool read awesome. Um. Yeah, 281 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: and uh And Sydney Stern is a storied artists as 282 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: the article goes into him, he's the same guy who 283 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: created the original Ritz Crackers and shredded wheat boxes as well. 284 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: And I didn't realize that the name Ritz was chosen 285 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: because well, from what I read briefly that with you know, 286 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: you're living in the Rits, just like the Depression. That's cool. 287 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: Of note, Barnum's likeness was not used on the box 288 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: and he did not get anything like royalty or licensing fees. 289 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: This is incredible to me. Yeah, because his name is 290 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: right there, I know, and it's clearly like him there referencing. 291 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: There's no one else could be. It's not like all 292 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: that other Barnum and he's famous for that. Right. If 293 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: we step back a bit, to Barnum figured out how 294 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: to get his circus across the ocean in order to 295 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: do a tour of Europe. Manufacturers in England already making 296 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: those animals, those crackers slash cookies we're talking about earlier. 297 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: I saw a marketing opportunity and start to use circus 298 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: animal shapes based on the animals featured in Barnum's Circus. 299 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: They migrated back to the US these circus animal shaped cookies, 300 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: where Nibisco jumped on the train to cash in on 301 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: the popularity of the circus, until they were called Barnum's Animals. 302 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: Then the name changed to Barnum's Animal Crackers and just 303 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: f y I because I got really confused about this. 304 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: The Ringling Brothers acquired Barnum and Bailey Circus in nineteen 305 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 1: o six. Right, animal crackers were a pretty big part 306 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: of our pop culture. In nineteen thirty, the Marx Brothers 307 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: released a musical film called Animal Crackers, and then in 308 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: Curly Top with that Shirley Temples song Animal Crackers in 309 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: My Soup came out and although I have not listened 310 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: to what I've read, sars Um, it's it's a it's 311 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: a playful song. Explaining that you know, since she learned 312 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: the alphabet from alphabet soup, you know, she started adding 313 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: animal crackers to soup to learn her animals. Um. And 314 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: apparently Temple's parents got so many letters from parents of 315 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: fans around the country complaining that their kids kept trying 316 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: to put animal crackers in savory soups that her father, 317 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: George said, Shirley knows the crackers are too sweet for that. 318 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: She knows the combination would taste terrible. Surely saves the 319 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: animal crackers for after dinner. That might be apocryphal, but 320 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: I I like the idea of him like fed up 321 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: row with letters into the air and releasing this statement 322 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: public got a podium. She knows what she's doing. Look, look, 323 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: I don't need to hear any more of your complaints. 324 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: This wasn't serious. It was fiction. That's fair. You know, 325 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: I'd probably be annoyed too. Um. And this was the 326 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: circuses heyday, before the World Wars and tightened restrictions around 327 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: passports and the advent of new entertainment options like television. 328 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: The circus was really big. Oh yeah, absolutely much much later, 329 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: still talking about pop culture, animal crackers are a topic 330 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: of discussion in the episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. 331 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, because they're they're they're talking about animal crackers, 332 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: and I think I think Willow goes like, I don't know, 333 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: like Willis Andrew talking about it, and one of them 334 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: is like, is like why why the monkey the only 335 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: one that gets to wear pants? And the other one 336 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: is like, yeah, like, don't the other animals feel like 337 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: a little bit ripped off? Like you know, like like 338 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: like where's like doesn't the hippo ever go like, where's 339 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: my hippo dignity? Yeah, it's a paraphrase. It's pretty spot on. Though. 340 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: Impressed impressed with your Buffy knowledge every day. Oh gosh, 341 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: you too can have supreme Buffy knowledge if you just, 342 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: over the course of many years watch the series upwards 343 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: of five times. Okay, I'll get to work on get 344 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: on it right away. I like that's the type of 345 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: homework I like. Um. So, at first, these animal shapes 346 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: were a bit um. They required some imagination to figure 347 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: out what they were. The shapes got more distinct in 348 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties with the installation of rotary dies. Yeah, 349 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: these dies cannot only stamp out the shape of the animal, 350 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: but but detail onto the surface of the animal very fancy. 351 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: Over the years, Nibisco did a few collaborations that showcase 352 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: animals outside of the circus car, including one that raised 353 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: money for tiger conservation with fashion designer Lily Pulitzer An 354 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: They mix things up a bit from time to time, 355 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: like with their marine animals collection. In fact, over thirty 356 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,959 Speaker 1: seven different animals have been in animal cracker form at 357 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: one time if we look at Barnum's specifically, but only 358 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: the bear, lion, elephant, antiger survived for most of the 359 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: product's lifetime. Um And Yes, despite being featured in the 360 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: Shirley Temple song, rabbits were never an animal cracker option. 361 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: I bet they got letters about that. I'm sure. I'm 362 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: sure the positive Barnum's Animal Crackers introduced a line of 363 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: endangered species animal crackers to support the World Wildlife Fund, 364 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: animals like Hawaiian monk seals and Komodo dragons. Nibisco's product 365 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: manager at the time told The New York Times, what 366 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: do people like about animal crackers, barting off the heads. 367 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: Our hope was that children will line them up, mashed 368 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: them up with the names on the box, learn about them, 369 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: and then decapitate them. I don't teach them to safe 370 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: endangered species. It'll teach them to love endangered species, and 371 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:19,719 Speaker 1: especially their heads. They're tasty, very important, tasty heads one 372 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: of the most important parts. I would say critical. I 373 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: love that code. I think it's hilarious. It's beautiful. For 374 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: the one anniversary in two thousand two, Nabisco added a koala. 375 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: Based on consumer feedback, the koala beat out the cobra, penguin, 376 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: and walrus. Apparently the penguin was a close second. It 377 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: was heated. Um and Yeah. This was a part of 378 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: an integrated marketing campaign that employed like zero traditional advertising 379 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: but was apparently very successful. Um. They generated three d 380 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: and forty four million media impressions and increased consumer awareness 381 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: by during the campaign's first stage and during second which 382 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: I can cite to you because they won a Silver 383 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: Anvil Award for the campaign in two thousand three from 384 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: the Public Relations Society of America. Which is this whole thing. 385 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: The whole thing. Yeah, I am fascinated by stuff like 386 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: this because I remember when Eminem's did it. I think 387 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: I was in middle school. They've probably done another one 388 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: since then, but the one I remember, I was in 389 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: middle school, and it was like new color to the eminem's. 390 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: It was pink, heal and like a white purple. And 391 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: all of all my friends and myself we were all in. 392 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: We were voting every day. We were like, we just 393 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: gotta be to It's very to my existence. It's not 394 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: like I eight more eminem's after that, don't I don't 395 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: remember which one one see, I don't even remember which 396 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: one one, but like it just at the time, it's 397 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: very important, felt very serious. I don't know. They were 398 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: asking for your opinion and you were giving every day 399 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: every day. I'm like, it's still to you, it's still 400 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: you can vote once a day. Anyway, let's talk about 401 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: what we've kind of been alluding to this whole episode. 402 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: Some recent animal cracker news in Peta, People for the 403 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: Ethical Treatment of Animals contacted Nibisco's parent company, Montalais International 404 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: about changing the packaging from the circus cage the circus 405 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: box car cage. Right, yeah, because box car the animals 406 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: are in cages, yes, right. Peter was like no, no, no, yes. 407 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: They sent several design ideas of the animals in their 408 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: natural habitats, roaming free, and the company agreed to the redesign, 409 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: updating it to feature a lion, draft gorilla, and a 410 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: zebra in the savannah with trees and grass and background. 411 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: So they're kind of like in the wild. Yeah, they're 412 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: they're frolicking. Maybe you know, a little bit more abreast 413 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: than they normally would be, but sure. This was after 414 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: years of criticism and protests from groups like Peter and 415 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: As the Humane Society, as well as shifting views around 416 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: the ethics of using captive animals for our human entertain 417 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah lutely. This pushback resulted in barn Oman the 418 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: Ringling Brothers retiring their elephant acts, but due to slumping 419 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: ticket sales, the Ringling Brothers Circus closed in after one 420 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: and forty six years in operation. On top of that, 421 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: over eighty jurisdictions in thirty one states have cracked down 422 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: on the use of wild animals in entertainment, which is 423 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: a wonderful thing. I can't I can't argue with any 424 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: of that. No, UM still still sad about the clowns. 425 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: The trappiece um uh in Um and independently produced computer 426 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: generated animated film called Animal Crackers was set to premiere, 427 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: but a number of studio deals have fallen through and 428 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: although it's totally complete and has been for years now, 429 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: it still has not been released. Um. It's it's about 430 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: this box of magical animal crackers that that if you 431 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: eat one, it will change you into the animal in question, um, 432 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: which a family then uses to like revive a circus 433 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: um because it's not animal abuse if it's really people, 434 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: not animals that are performing. Yeah, this could be read 435 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: as a horror movie if I know when you come 436 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: back from yeah no, no, no, no, you eat that, 437 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: you eat you eat a person shaped cracker if you 438 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: want to come back. Yeah, Okay, that's a whole thing. Okay, 439 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: you're not stuck as like a gorilla. I mean it could. 440 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: You couldn't like it, say, I don't know. I'm just saying, yeah, 441 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: I'm not. I've only seen like a two minute trailer. 442 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: I'm not deeply aware of the specifics of the mechanics 443 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: of this. We've got to get to the bottom of it. 444 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: I saw that. I'm glad you said that because I 445 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: saw that come up. But I was like, was this 446 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: a movie or notice this like a parody? I couldn't 447 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: figure it out. It's both a movie and currently not 448 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: so Unfortunately it is a development. Hell it's okay, yeah, 449 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but it's still probably very upsetting for 450 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: the creators. But oh yeah, oh yeah, huh, well this 451 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: is all like recent animal cracker lots happening in this world. 452 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: You can still find a lot of opinions about the redesign. 453 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: You know, if you like animal crackers, that the taste 454 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: hasn't changed. It basically has not. No, yeah, very nostalgic taste, yes, apparently. 455 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: I did have an interesting conversation with actually one of 456 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: the female clowns, and she was just saying, now that 457 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: the difference in our generations of um, when older folks 458 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: see clowns and they're like, oh, clowns like a positive 459 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: zoo circus experience. But for people kind of our ages 460 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: like clowns, no, because we don't have our A lot 461 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: of us don't have the same circus positive experience. Yeah. Yeah, 462 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: I've there were clowns at the circus that I attended 463 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: as a child. But I have a lot more recent 464 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: experience with people in clowning who do like professional clowning shows, 465 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: um and and incorporate bits of this this historical stuff 466 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: into it, and and like I have been literally moved 467 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: to tears By like mime clown work, and it's it 468 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: can be really beautiful you guys. Um, I mean it's 469 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: also really funny to just get to say, like some 470 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: of my best friends are clowns, Like, don't discriminate against clowns. Yeah. 471 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: I like that, Um, but it's true. It's true they 472 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: can be they can be so delightful. And I don't know, 473 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: it's a whole huh. I go go listen to go 474 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: listen to the Spinty episode. Yeah, it's really togic. I 475 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: I felt like I learned a lot because I just 476 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: kind of hadn't had any experience with clowns. Yeah. I 477 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: like how this Animal Cracker episode is turning into pro clown. 478 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: We're pro clown here we are. This food podcast is 479 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: staunchly clown. Perhaps we should end it now have a 480 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: little bit more for you. We do, but first we've 481 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: got one more quick break for a word from our sponsor, 482 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you, And 483 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: we're back with wrong Lion. Scary. I can't. I just 484 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: need to work a lot on my impressions. Oh I saw, 485 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: I saw the lion. I just wanted to add a 486 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: little meal at the end. Oh thank you, Oh you're welcome. 487 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: I'll say, I'll take it. Confused us all excellent. Indeed, 488 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: that's the best of the best. Respot Caitlin wrote, I 489 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: recently listened to the Lavender episode, and when you all 490 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: start talking about the lavender festival, I was reminded of 491 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: a very funny memory. A few years ago. When I 492 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: lived in Omaha, Nebraska, I worked for and attended a 493 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: local young adult group called Great Adventure Ministries, around fifty 494 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: to sixty people. We were always on the lookout for 495 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: fun event ideas for the group, barn dances, ski trips, 496 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: orchard tours, etcetera. One day, one of our members heard 497 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: about a lavender farm that was about an hour away 498 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,239 Speaker 1: in the Lowest Hills and decided we should do an 499 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: outing there, pack a big picnic lunch, and make a 500 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: day of it. She found a photo of lavender and 501 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: bloom online and posted the event on Facebook, leaving at 502 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: public so that people could invite friends. The next morning, 503 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: she checked the event and they were over four hundred 504 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: people marked as interested or coming, and she had several 505 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: messages from strangers in places like California and Michigan asking 506 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: her what the best hotels to stay in the area 507 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: would be understandably, she panicked. By that evening, I think 508 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: the count had gone up to almost nine hundred people interested, 509 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: some of which were from Great Britain. Over the next 510 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: few days, we edited the event and contacted all of 511 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: the people that to fly in and let them know 512 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: that it wasn't the type of event that they were 513 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: expecting and it probably wouldn't be worth it to fly 514 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: in for since it was just supposed to be a 515 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: small group outing, not a festival. We ended up changing 516 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: the event to be a fundraiser for a local anti 517 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: trafficking group and had about people attend. I think the 518 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: best part of the whole thing was that she had 519 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: planned the event too early in the year and the 520 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: lavender bushes weren't even in bloom. We also discovered at 521 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: the event that lavendar serup and iced Earl Gray tea 522 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,719 Speaker 1: is delicious. I bet it is. It is people are 523 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: passionate about lavender. They are. That's good to know. If 524 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: I ever needed to draw crowd created Facebook event, Yes, 525 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: picture of lavender, that's it. Yeah, seems to be the 526 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: key ingredients, Kyrie wrote, and I hope that I'm saying 527 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: your name right. A while back, I started getting up 528 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: before the crack of dawn to run why. I still 529 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that, And I figured that 530 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: having a cup of coffee before I go would help 531 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,479 Speaker 1: knock out those lingering thoughts asleep from my eyes. Now, 532 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: I buy cheap instant coffee because my brain and my 533 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: wallet aren't too concerned with coffee filters, grinders and all 534 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: the accoutremal that proper coffee needs. Now, even I, a 535 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: coffee greenhorn, will tell you that instant coffee is not 536 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: that great, even with the big, huge, mounded heaps of 537 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: brown sugar I put in. But I was content to 538 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,239 Speaker 1: deal with, because you know, the goal was to wake up, 539 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: not to experience hot liquid nirvana. Until one day I 540 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: remembered an old angle storic commercial showing the different ways 541 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: bidders were used. A few dashes to help season meat, 542 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: a few sprinkles to ice cream, a splashed cocktails, and 543 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: a shake or two to hot coffee. I was intrigued, 544 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: and the very next morning I had enough brain power 545 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: to remember to include some in my cup, and y'all, 546 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: even through the alluring siren call of my warm bed, 547 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: I could taste the potential of what instant coffee wishes 548 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: it could be. There's no bitterness. The citrus notes from 549 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: the bidders blended so nicely with the smell of the coffee, 550 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: and I could taste car mole, imagine caramel and coffee. 551 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: Who knew, well, I certainly didn't, and I knew what 552 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: I had to do next, a deep dive into the 553 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: House of Angustora. Besides the museum, which only does tours 554 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: in groups, so bummer for an introvert, and the various RUMs, 555 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: there is a cookbook, like an actual cookbook, with food 556 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: recipes and not just cocktails. The recipes themselves lean more 557 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: to a Western Continental menu, with appetizers, soups and salads, 558 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: pasta and rice, meat and poultry, and desserts, and of 559 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: course suggested cocktails to go along with some recipes. There 560 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: are recipes like Angustora beef pies, orange rice puloff, chilled 561 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: cucumber soup, marinated chicken breasts, and classic chilled grandita. I 562 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: started doing this immediately because I also used in the morning. 563 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: Because Laura knows I've given up on our work coffee machine. 564 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: We're broken up forever. I never want to deal with 565 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: that thing again, um and working now okay, all right, 566 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: all right, No I'm not gonna you know, but you 567 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: have to. You have to live your own life. If 568 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 1: I see that screen, please wait dot dot dot one 569 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: more time. It's gonna be like office space up in 570 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: here anyway. So this is good for me, this email, 571 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: and it is nice. It does add like a little 572 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 1: like brightness and the smells good. Huh. I would recommend 573 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: trying it. Yeah, yeah, I'll, um, you know, look like 574 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: an even weirder human than I already looked. I'll bring 575 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: some in to use on the office coffee, and then 576 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: you should leave a note that said, don't judge. Listener 577 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: told us to do this because we are already seen 578 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: as a m Yeah, that's just that sounds just that, 579 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: just that noise pretty much sums it up around the office. Yeah, yeah, 580 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: I think so. Well. Thanks to both of them for 581 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: writing in. 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