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Speaker 2: I think from a Blue Jays perspective, it makes a

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Speaker 2: twenty sixth season. So this is really the number one thing,

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Speaker 2: maybe the top priority for the Blue Jays this offseason

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Speaker 2: that they've gotten taken care of. Assuming that everything goes

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the blue Jays end of the situation here.

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Speaker 1: How unlikely is this for them to be this aggressive

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Speaker 1: early on in the market. I read your article over

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Speaker 1: the weekend about how they like to be very calculated

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Speaker 1: with their projections, and this seemed to veer off what

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Speaker 1: they usually do, and I think most people, especially Blue

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it doesn't it doesn't in some ways right,

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Speaker 2: normal work, which would be surveying the market for all

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Speaker 2: the different options, and this fell. This came together in

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Speaker 2: the winter. But sometimes things line up. I think the

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Speaker 2: Blue Jays in their presentation to Cease, did a lot

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Speaker 2: so everything lined up for them, and I think for them,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes things come together quickly, and so I think

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Speaker 2: that happened in this case, and it's not necessarily something

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was great. If I'm a Blue Jays fan,

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Speaker 3: one of the best starting pitchers on the market. The

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Speaker 3: they went out and spent the money that they had

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Speaker 3: to go do this. Now I'm happy, I'm excited if

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Speaker 3: can we still bring back both? Can we go out

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Speaker 3: Can they still make these moves because there's a Blue

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Speaker 3: Jays fan, I'm like, I'm very excited, but I need

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think if you're a fan, it's

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Speaker 3: And it's not my money, Listen, it's not my money,

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Speaker 3: So spending no, and not mine either, And I think

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Speaker 3: You have a phone, you have a cell phone. I

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Speaker 3: do are you on Rodgers? Are you on Rogers communication?

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Speaker 3: Because isn't everybody in Cannon on Rodgers?

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Speaker 2: Very many people are yes.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So every time that you every time you pay

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Speaker 3: a bill, you're helping pay for Dylan Caesar's contract ten

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Speaker 4: So thank you.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think that the money is there, and I

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Speaker 2: looking ways to chase wins right now, right like they

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Speaker 6: Do the Blue Jays feel like they're buying low on

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Speaker 4: And you know, a big part of.

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Speaker 2: Ceases interest in the Jays was, and probably from other

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Speaker 2: And so some of the questions that the Bluejays were

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Speaker 6: Is there is there a belief also that they made

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Speaker 1: Let's get to that off season to do list.

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Speaker 6: When you said pitching death because your third point on

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Speaker 6: It's important, but it's not that important. It's not a

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Speaker 2: Don't I don't think it's maybe on necessarily on the

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Speaker 2: I think ultimately the Blue Jays just want to find innings,

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Speaker 5: I think that's important.

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Speaker 3: Faan sure you mentioned his depth. One of their big

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'd prefer that you didn't, because I don't

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Speaker 2: want him to throw something that time I see it.

439
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 2: But look, I mean, I think with the way that

440
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 2: he pitched it in the postseason, I mean he's cemented

441
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 2: a place in appraceive appreciation with Blue Jay fans for

442
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 2: will remember those contributions, especially that game in Seattle that

443
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 2: was something that well, it won't be soon forgotten, So

444
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 2: I think that's that's pretty cool. I think, look, we'll

445
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 2: see where this Blue Jays offseason goes, and I think

446
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 2: it's still at the beginning as opposed to the end

447
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 2: of it, even with such a major move as the

448
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: cease agreement. But I do think there's more to come.

449
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 2: We'll see, We'll see how much variation there is to

450
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 2: the rest of the roster, what kind of changes or

451
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: further editions are made, and then you know, maybe there

452
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 2: is a reunion in the offing down the road.

453
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Speaker 6: Do we have to make sure that we're not blinded

454
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 6: by their fact that they made at the Game seven

455
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 6: of the World Series that when we evaluate what Ross

456
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 6: Atkins has done for this team. I've been one of

457
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 6: the biggest detractors of any like I was not a

458
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 6: Ross Atkins fan. The moves he made, the fact that

459
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 6: he was getting rid of guys and not resigning guys,

460
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 6: and I felt like the law has kind of fell

461
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 6: on him. Now this past offseason, they went out and

462
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 6: got Sureser, Like you talked about Santander, and really Santander

463
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 6: was the big move and.

464
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 4: He didn't play much.

465
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 6: So was this really a positive season for Ross Atkins

466
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 6: because the players played well or because Ross Adkins made

467
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 6: a lot of really good moves.

468
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it always comes down to the players,

469
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: right Like the players, as much as front offices can

470
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 2: do once they're between the lines, it's all dependent on

471
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 2: the players. But I don't think you can kind of

472
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: look at what the You can't divorce last season from

473
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 2: what the Blueg's had done over multiple years to get

474
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: to that point.

475
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Speaker 5: And I think.

476
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Speaker 2: That's the conclusion that you know, Mark Schapiro had reached,

477
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 2: was that twenty four went about as horribly as it

478
00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: could have gone, but twenty four, being as bad as

479
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 2: it was, wasn't fully reflective of some of the good

480
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: work that had been done in advance of that, and

481
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: that twenty four was an aberration. And I think there

482
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: was certainly cause for concern with the way that the

483
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 2: window was framing up that Vladimir Guerrero Junior didn't get done.

484
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: And this may be narrative, but I do know some

485
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: people who think that the Vladimir extent Guerrero Junior extension

486
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 2: last April, and it's removing that as an issue and

487
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 2: definitively setting the Blue Jays window as like, this is

488
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: a team that's going to keep competing, this is a

489
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 2: team that's going to build around a cornerstone like Guerrero.

490
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 2: I think that was ended up being a factor because

491
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 2: when they got off to the slow start and we're

492
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: having some issues, it wasn't like everyone was thinking, Okay,

493
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 2: they're going to blow this up in a second, right,

494
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 2: Whereas if Guerrero hadn't signed, then that would have been

495
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 2: a conversation around it. And so I think all the

496
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: things end up being part of the Ross Atkins ledger.

497
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 2: And so when you put talented players together and then

498
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: you find a way to help them be successful. And

499
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: that's sort of the less discussed part of the Blue

500
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: Jay season, which is some of the changes that they

501
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: made to their game planning and the way that they

502
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 2: distribute information in their players, and some of the conversations

503
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: around how they attack different things, the evolutions there from

504
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 2: even defensive positioning, pitch recommendations, all those different types of things.

505
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 2: That is all part of what the Blue Jays did

506
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: last year. And so if you look at it as

507
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: they had learned some very very hard lessons in twenty

508
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: twenty four, but then applied them in twenty five and

509
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: made the best out of a bad year. I think

510
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: that you have to give everybody some credit. That includes

511
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: manager John Schneider, includes GM ross Atkins. I mean, you know,

512
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: if you're going to be blamed them for twenty four,

513
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: you can't not credit them for twenty five.

514
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: Well that was going to be my question. Is John

515
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: Schneider officially off the hot seat now? Because going into

516
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: the year, everyone was like, Oh, he's gonna be the

517
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 3: first one fired, and then they got off to the

518
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 3: terrible start and everyone's like, man, you know, everyone's looking

519
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: at their watch, going okay, is there going to be

520
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 3: a press conference today at two o'clock saying John Schneider

521
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 3: has been relieved to duty And next thing you know,

522
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 3: he's got them to the Game seven of the World Series.

523
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: So is he officially off the hot seat? Yeah?

524
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: I mean it may be done already, or if it's

525
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 2: not done yet, it's going to be done soon. There'll

526
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 2: be an extension for him and an extension for Mark

527
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: Shapiro as well. So I think all that hot seat

528
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: stuff that disappeared probably around last June or so, when

529
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: the team turned the corner and then didn't let up

530
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 2: and so you know, John Schneider actually deserves a ton

531
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 2: of credit and there was a very strong case for

532
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 2: him to be a manager of the Year in the

533
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: American League. You know, some people around the team were

534
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: quite frustrated that it didn't happen for him at that

535
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: point in time. But you know, the the type of

536
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 2: work that the Blue Jays did in transforming themselves out

537
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 2: of twenty four into the group that went into twenty five. Uh,

538
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of that lands on him, and

539
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: he was very deliberate in the off season. A lot

540
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 2: of it was player driven, but it was running through him.

541
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: And I think that anybody questioning sort of his future

542
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 2: sort of did didn't watch what happened last year, right,

543
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: And so I think that that'll probably be resolved fairly soon.

544
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: Same with Shapiro.

545
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 4: Uh.

546
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: This is a team that has some stability, that's valued continuity, uh,

547
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: and is poised to continue with that two of the

548
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: key leadership spots.

549
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, him not winning him not winning Manager of the

550
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: Year cost me an apology to Ken Rosenthal. So yeah,

551
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 3: that was a little fus He is one of the

552
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 3: first people at that nothing against Stephen Vogue, but first

553
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: of first, usually wins your Manager of the Year. So

554
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: I had to apologize to Ken Roosevelt, as Ken Rosenthal

555
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: has done many times as the Blue Jays.

556
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 4: So there you go.

557
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: Hey, look, I think like there are two compelling cases there.

558
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: Let mean, the run the Guardians went on at the

559
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: end certainly impressive. But I think if you're looking sort

560
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: of collective body of work, degree of difficulty in the

561
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: between the different divisions, it's my eyes at least it's

562
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: And I wasn't voting on manager this year, but it

563
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: looked to me to be pretty clear cut.

564
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, Snyder had my boat too, Shy. Good stuff.

565
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: Much more from Shy. He wrote about it the last

566
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,239
Speaker 1: few days and on his Twitter account too. You can

567
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: check them out at Shi Davdi and you can check out.

568
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 5: His work in sports Net. Always appreciate your joining us, Shy.

569
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Speaker 5: Thank you. We'll talk to you soon.

570
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, could catch it up, guys.

571
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Speaker 1: Be well, all right, let's talk about the Sea Steel

572
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: here for a few minutes. A couple key points here,

573
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: AJ that I'd love to get your thoughts on. Number one,

574
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: are the best days yet to come for Dylan Cees.

575
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: You get the classic complaints online about some of the

576
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: eras and even era plus is not being great, but

577
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: there's a ton of swing and miss right. We've seen

578
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: some ups and downs from him, So did the Blue

579
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: Jay sign of guy who is going to peak now,

580
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: much like say Zach Wheeler has done with the Phillies.

581
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 4: I think they are.

582
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: Y'all might disagree with me here, but I think they

583
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 3: are because the contract's done. He knows where he's going

584
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: to be at for the next seven years. And this

585
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: dude has unbelievable stuff. And Pete Walker, their pitching coach

586
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: for the Blue Jays, has been there a long time

587
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: and he knows how to get the most out of guys.

588
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: I mean, Kevin Gosman, he was pretty good with the Giants.

589
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: He went here has gotten better. Bast's been unbelievable since

590
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: he's got all these guys. There's so many guys, a

591
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 3: long list of guys that go to Toronto, and they

592
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 3: get better because of Pete Walker, because of their hitting

593
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: and pitching level. I don't know what it is, but

594
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 3: they seem to get better when they go to Toronto. And

595
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 3: I think he's going to figure some male with Dylan

596
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: Seas if you can ever figure out a way to

597
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: Getdylan SE's just those more fastballs so that he doesn't

598
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: have to throw a slider every pitch. This guy's a

599
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: limit for this guy, and I think they're going to

600
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 3: get more out of them.

601
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree. Strike's a big thing. Strikes.

602
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 6: I mean, everybody will tell you if you're walking too

603
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 6: many dudes, it's always going to drag down your numbers,

604
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 6: your efficiency, all that stuff. But the strikeouts are there,

605
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 6: so can Pete Walker and more importantly, can Alejandro Kirk

606
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 6: get the most out of this guy? Alejandra Kirk will

607
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 6: be the starting catcher. He's going to be back there

608
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 6: every day working with Dylan Cees. Can he get him

609
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 6: as a he's a veteran now, he's he needs to

610
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 6: know what he needs to do. But you also look

611
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 6: back at his two years that he was getting SION votes.

612
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 6: I think it was twenty I should have pulled it up.

613
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 6: I think it was twenty two. Yeah, twenty two and

614
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 6: twenty four. He was second in SiO, fourth in SiO.

615
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 6: How those catchers worked with him, he has Monti Grendal

616
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 6: and I think it was Martine Maldonado. How they work

617
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 6: with him and get him to trust that we don't

618
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 6: need to throw three balls to get a strikeout. You

619
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 6: can throw two. You can throw two pitches and get

620
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 6: an early out, which will create the opportunity to get

621
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 6: ahead in account and then on the next hitter, which

622
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 6: then can get you early strikeouts. And I think he'll

623
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 6: still rack up the strikeouts, So can they get him

624
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 6: to do that? That's where he would take the next level?

625
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 6: Is he gonna take the next level like a Zach

626
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 6: Wheeler type of next level. I don't take that high.

627
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 6: But when you have the strikeouts, if you have the

628
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 6: ability to lower your walks, yes, there is another level

629
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 6: to be unlocked.

630
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: For Dylan sees way better defense that's going to be

631
00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: behind him in Toronto. Now, Padres defense wasn't terrible, but

632
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: the Blue Jays defense has been great.

633
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: Defense doesn't matter. Defense doesn't matter for Dylan Seas because

634
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 3: he gets punchies. The problem is, like what Krawt said,

635
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: can he get punch outs in three pitches instead of

636
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 3: seven pitches?

637
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 4: Right?

638
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: And can he be efficient with it? And I agree

639
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: with what krat said, Yes, there's another level there because

640
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: this guy will still get his punchies if someone can

641
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: ever figure out how to make it more efficient instead

642
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: of three to two on every guy, I gotta throw

643
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: a slider. I got to punch this guy on a slider. Allah,

644
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: a guy named you Darvish who did the same thing,

645
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: and he is gone. He went to San Diego and

646
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 3: actually got a little better. I think Dylan Seas will

647
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: get with Pete Walker. Pete Walker, say listen, Dylan Man,

648
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: we really love what you do. You got unbelievable shit.

649
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: Throw it over the plate and let's see what happens.

650
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 4: I think what you said the defense Scott is huge.

651
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 6: That's gonna be part of Pete Walker's That's gonna be

652
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 6: part of Pete Walker's sales. Pitch Well, why am I

653
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 6: gonna throw on his own and throwing a slider three too?

654
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 6: What aj said is not a soft thing to do.

655
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 6: It's not a oh he's nibbling. It's you can throw

656
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 6: the three to two slider. Just throw it in the zone. Well,

657
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 6: you know sometimes it gets hit. Okay, Well why does

658
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 6: it get hit? You know they hit it hard because

659
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 6: I don't think it's as good of a pitch.

660
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 4: Let them hit it. Let them hit it.

661
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 6: We have platinum in center field, and we have platinum

662
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 6: most likely at shortstop. If he's not at shortstop. Because

663
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 6: they bring Bo back, he'll be at second base like

664
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 6: it's a it's a sales pitch. It is probably part

665
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 6: of their sales pitch. Yes, the two hundred and ten

666
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 6: million is what got Dylan ceased there, but the sales

667
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 6: pitch of probably the same thing that they told Roki

668
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 6: Sasaki last year. Hey, you know what, we get it.

669
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 6: You can throw one hundred with a forkball, but we

670
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 6: just want you to throw it in the zone because

671
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 6: we are constant, we're doubling down, tripling down with the

672
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 6: trade of Andre Simenez last offseason on our defense and

673
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 6: selling that to a pitcher can really kind of get

674
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 6: a little bit of relief off their back that they

675
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 6: don't have to make the name fastiest pitch in every

676
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 6: situation and go five.

677
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 5: And last point here.

678
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: Players will sign with the Blue Jays more likely to

679
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: sign with them now, of course they're winning. Most players

680
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: have given the choice money wise, are going to sign

681
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: with a team that they know is winning. Blue Jays

682
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: looked like they had a great vibe going. Yes, is

683
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 1: there a factor with taxes and being in a different country. Sure, right,

684
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: there are pros and cons to most places where you sign.

685
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: I also don't think the Blue Jays were going up

686
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: against the Dodgers, which seem to be a problem for

687
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: them when going for sho Hee Otani and Roki Sasaki.

688
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: So they win the battle here. They strike early. Good

689
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: for them. What do we think here? Two years, twenty

690
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: eight million bucks for Ryan Helsley. He will not be

691
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: a starting pitcher. He is going to join the Baltimore

692
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: Orioles bullpen. So far, AJ we've seen the Orioles acquire

693
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: Taylor Ward and.

694
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 5: We've seen them now pick up Ryan Helsley.

695
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 1: They also did trade back for Andrew Kittridge and pick

696
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: up his option so that they can start to rebuild

697
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: their bullpen. Keep in mind that Felix Bautista is going

698
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: to miss this coming season, which is a big blow

699
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: for them. I'm a big Bautista fan, but Helsley can

700
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: fill the void. If you think that this past season,

701
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: especially as time period with the Mets, was an aberration,

702
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: were you surprised about anything here?

703
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 3: No, there's a great deal for both. I think I

704
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 3: think it's a great deal for both people involved. I

705
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: think for Helsley, I mean, there was talking about him

706
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: going back to Saint Louis. That never happens except for

707
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: old as Chapman going back to the Yankees at the

708
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 3: time when he got traded, and I think Helsley got

709
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 3: a good deal. He got it again. This kind of

710
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 3: goes back to the argument we just had. He got

711
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 3: a deal he wanted from a team he's okay going

712
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: to and you know what, whammo had happened, and it

713
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 3: happened fast. And I think it's great. I think it's

714
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 3: great for both parties involved, and good for the Oil,

715
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 3: is good for Michael Las. He gives the fansome to

716
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: be happy about around Thanksgiving, and it gives Ryan Helsley

717
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: a chance to go to his mom and his dad

718
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: and his wife and his kids and everyone else in

719
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 3: his family and say, gosh, guys, I just got paid

720
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 3: and we can have a hell of a Christmas.

721
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: And Kratz, if he goes off, he can opt out

722
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: after you're one of this deal and hit the free

723
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: agent market again. Because this was a guy heading into

724
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: this season that you thought would probably get a little

725
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: bit more than this. Now you're looking at this past

726
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: season and some fans were like, what two years twenty

727
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: eight million for him? But I mean heading into twenty

728
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: twenty five, he was looked at as what maybe a

729
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: top five.

730
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 5: No more than top ten reliever in the sport.

731
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 6: And I mean after especially after leading the league and

732
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 6: saves on a Cardinals team in twenty four that wasn't

733
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 6: wasn't great. He was going out there. I think he

734
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 6: was forty nine to fifty that year, but I'm not

735
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 6: one hundred percent sure.

736
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 5: Forty nine for fifty three.

737
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 6: For fifty three, okay, okay. So I thought he was

738
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 6: coming out of the twenty four season. After twenty four,

739
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 6: I thought he was like a four year type of

740
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 6: four year type of clothser twelve to fourteen million. So

741
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 6: I'm glad he got the fourteen million, a little bit

742
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 6: more aav Then you see some closers getting of his

743
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 6: ilk because he's not quite an Edwin Diaz Robert Suarez,

744
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 6: you know, definitely not in the hater land that kind

745
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 6: of thing.

746
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 4: But you.

747
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 6: Have a guy who, to me, because he only got

748
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 6: two years, the opt out is huge. He gets to

749
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 6: rebuild his value and he's going to a team in

750
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 6: the Orioles, who everybody had this on their bingo card.

751
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 6: The Orioles are going to be the most active early

752
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 6: on here in the off season. Like, no, nobody saw that.

753
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 6: Have they signed the biggest contracts. No, But they're going

754
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 6: after the guys that they really wanted. They didn't think

755
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 6: Grayson was going to be there, so they went and

756
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 6: got a thirty plus homer Battan Taylor Ward. They added

757
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 6: Leode Tevers, smaller deal, not agreeing with it based on

758
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 6: who they have in the outfield, but they did it.

759
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 6: So they're moving. They're moving on the pieces that they want,

760
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 6: adding Kittridge, adding Hellsley, because I think they had the

761
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 6: most to do. Of teams that think they want to contend,

762
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 6: even though this past year was awful, they have the

763
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 6: most to do. They need starting pitching. They've essentially needed

764
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 6: to rebuild their bullpen because they don't have Bautista. They

765
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 6: don't have Unar Canoe, at least I don't think they

766
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 6: have canoe. They don't have they don't have Sir Anthony

767
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 6: Dimingez anymore. They are they really were down to the

768
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 6: bare bones and they can't screw it up again with

769
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 6: this window. So I love that they're going out hard

770
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 6: here at the beginning of the at the beginning of

771
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 6: the off season.

772
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 5: They do have Cano. He just had a brutal year.

773
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 5: I mean, he's really good.

774
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 4: In twenty four.

775
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: This past season fifty eight innings, five to one to two,

776
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: Era really fell off.

777
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: It was bad.

778
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, bad, he was bad.

779
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 4: He wasn't good. That's okay.

780
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 5: They have they have bullpen work to do.

781
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 3: I mean right now, Kittridge, Chilly, I mean, they're they're

782
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 3: they're doing the right things. They're making the right moves

783
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 3: right going to in the outfild. They're trying. But they

784
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 3: still need starters. They still need starting pitching. Who's that

785
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: going to be. I'm but I'm proud of them, Scott,

786
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: and I'm proud of what Crotch just said. They're going

787
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: out early, and they're targeting their guys, and they're getting

788
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: the deals done. Go sign the guys you want, Go

789
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 3: trade for the guys you want, and then worry about

790
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 3: the rest later because there's always those bargain guys you

791
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: can find right now.

792
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: Fourth power rankings a least for me, a lot of

793
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: offseason left to go, and Ken Rosenthal did say that

794
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: executives around the game.

795
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 5: Felt as if there was almost going to be a

796
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 5: sense of.

797
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: Desperation mode, which was music to the years of Orioles

798
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: fans for the front office to try and do things

799
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: and do things quickly, because you're right, Krats, they do

800
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: have a lot of work to do. The Blue Jays

801
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: are adding on to what they've just had, which was

802
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: almost the World Series title. The Yankees had Garrett Cole

803
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: coming back this season and plenty of other talent. You know,

804
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: they're going to do things. The Red Sox team like

805
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: they're going to do things. They've already added Sonny Gray.

806
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: Those three teams look better right now on paper than

807
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: Baltimore and then there's Tampa Bay. They're not going to

808
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: be that active, although maybe things change with a new

809
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: ownership group. But do you guys have them any higher

810
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: than four right now in your power rankings in the

811
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: AL East?

812
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: Does it matter?

813
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 4: Does it matter?

814
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 3: It's December first, and you know what you had last year?

815
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: You had the Blue jaysus fifth in the AL East

816
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 3: at this time, and you know what, they went to

817
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 3: the World Series and should have maybe won it depending

818
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: on who you talk to.

819
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:22,959
Speaker 5: Why do we even do the show?

820
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: Why don't we just do the show for Game seven

821
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: of the World Series?

822
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying, doesn't matter. Secember first, verbal verbal

823
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: one go? Who cares he signed with the Mets and

824
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 3: they didn't make the playoffs.

825
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 6: And I will say that I will say I agree

826
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 6: that they're fourth. But this is also showing that any

827
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 6: team out there that thinks they have this like super core,

828
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 6: that's when you start pushing in. Because all of a sudden,

829
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 6: like Adlei Ruschman came up in twenty two, he was like,

830
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 6: that was when this core started to like get to

831
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 6: the big leagues. That was the first like way coming

832
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 6: to the big leagues. That's when they should have started

833
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 6: pushing in. But instead they traded their closer right when

834
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 6: they were like, I don't know what they were. I

835
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 6: think they ended like eighty one and eighty one that

836
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 6: year or something like that, and they traded away Pablo Lopez,

837
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 6: who was not Pablo Lopez, Jorge Lopez, And it was like,

838
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 6: why would you trade when you're close and all this stuff.

839
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 6: As soon as your core gets there, start pushing because

840
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 6: now we're fast forward in twenty twenty six. The Blue jaysuh,

841
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 6: nobody thought we're going to be there, are now pushing

842
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 6: to be better than they were last year as the

843
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 6: American League East champs. The Red Sox have a young core.

844
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 6: The Yankees are always going to be there. They're always

845
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 6: going to be a playoff team, and all of a sudden,

846
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 6: now your core has questions like push do some like

847
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 6: put your job on the line. In my opinion, if

848
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 6: you're running an organization right now, you have that core

849
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 6: like the Orioles had and they still kind of have,

850
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 6: but now they're playing ketchup and you don't want to

851
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 6: be playing ketchup. You need to be the big dog

852
00:42:59,200 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 6: out in front.

853
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: We're hitting the futures market right now, because if you're

854
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: a baseball fan and you're missing games, that's really all

855
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: you can do. You can hit the futures market and

856
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: decide on what you things is gonna happen next year.

857
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: I mean, this one's always pretty close. But World Series

858
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: winning league right now. National Leagues at minus won thirty

859
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: American Leagues at plus one hundred. National League gets the

860
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: edge partially thanks or many thanks to the Dodgers who

861
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: have won back to back titles, and there are other

862
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: talented teams in there too. Would you what would you

863
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: do here, AJ if I gave you one hundred? National League?

864
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: Thrown it on?

865
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 3: How many times did we go over the power rankings?

866
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 4: Every time?

867
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 3: Producer Lady made us go over the power rankings. It

868
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 3: was all it was National League, Nation League, National League, Nationallyague,

869
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 3: Nation League. Oh, then yours an American League team at

870
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 3: like six. Not that much has changed again, it's just

871
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 3: number first cut.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Kratz the same.

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Speaker 6: Now we'll go to National League because most of the

874
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Speaker 6: year we were going National League, National League, Tigers, National

875
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 6: League nationally and you saw what happened with the Tigers.

876
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Speaker 4: Just right now. The National League is better.

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Speaker 6: They are a better group of teams, So why would

878
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Speaker 6: you not put that money? And if I was getting

879
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Speaker 6: maybe like plus one forty with the American League, then

880
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Speaker 6: I'd may be like a, you know what, I kind

881
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Speaker 6: of like those numbers, but no, I need I need

882
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 6: that National League minus one thirty easy.

883
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Speaker 1: I feel that the plus a hondo is not sexy enough.

884
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Speaker 1: Maybe that tilts at some point in the offseason, but

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890
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895
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Speaker 1: bet MGM make it legendary gambling problem or concern called

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Speaker 1: one eight hundred gambling.

898
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Speaker 5: Damn. That show flew.

899
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Speaker 1: Okay, So last licks here that I want to get

900
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: to is the Anthony Rendon story that we actually did cover.

901
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: So we had our last show on Wednesday. That story

902
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: broke maybe thirty minutes after the show, so we ended

903
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: up doing what we call a little breakout video, so

904
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: we did a little quickie video reaction on YouTube. AJ

905
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: wasn't there for that, so we wanted to get his

906
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: thoughts on this, and I did a lot of back

907
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: and forth in the comments AJ, because when we did

908
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: this segment, AJ, Kevin l I was on and he

909
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: started with Anthony Rendon as misunderstood and once he said

910
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: that everyone lost their minds.

911
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: I can only you know what's funny is I actually

912
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 3: did see that clip and I felt bad for Polar

913
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 3: because he did play with him for a little while.

914
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: He's here's where he's not misunderstood though he doesn't play,

915
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 3: so he's not misunderstood he doesn't play. And here's my

916
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 3: other thing about this. They want to buy me. If

917
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 3: I'm Anthony Rendon and I listen, I am Anthony Rendon

918
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: and I don't know each other. We played against the

919
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 3: other very little bit when he first came up with

920
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 3: the Nationals, and he was a really good right handed hitter,

921
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 3: and this and that. But I almost say this, if

922
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: I'm Anthony Rendon and they come to me and I

923
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: don't know what they're coming to them with, but they're like, hey,

924
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 3: we want to defer money. And then I listened to

925
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 3: Scott Bron talk. I say, no, I'm not defer money.

926
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 3: Release me and pay me what Yomi. Don't try to

927
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 3: buy me out and push money back. We signed a contract.

928
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 3: I want my money now. So that's what Scott Bron said,

929
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 3: because then five years from now it's worthless. So pay

930
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 3: me with Yomi and we move on. And I'm not

931
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 3: on any side in this fight other than the fact

932
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: that they signed a guaranteed contract and it's time to go.

933
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 5: Is that just me or no, No, that was just you. No,

934
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 5: it's just me. I cannot hear anything right now, Okay,

935
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 5: go Kreutz.

936
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 6: I said all my pieces about it, but I agree

937
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 6: like this. Hopefully it can be amendable in the sense

938
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 6: that he's still going to get his thirty six million dollars,

939
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 6: I think. But I think it's something that you know,

940
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 6: he can be willing to push it down the road,

941
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 6: help him out with some of the taxes part of it.

942
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 4: Nobody.

943
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 6: I think Rendon and the Angels both want this to

944
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 6: go away, but it's not going to until this gets

945
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 6: figured out, ironed out, and then you won't hear from Anthony,

946
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 6: Rendon and the Angels anymore about this.

947
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 3: True, they both wanted to go away. But speaking of

948
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 3: going away, I have a quick comment for you, and

949
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 3: I was not on. I was on vacation and you guys,

950
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 3: said Kevin Kirmiron, and he brought up my comments, and

951
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: I stand by what I said. Kratz, And I want

952
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 3: to know because if I would have been on the show,

953
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 3: and I want him to come back on, who are

954
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 3: the teams that called you? How many teams? Name the teams? Kevin?

955
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 3: Bring it on, because then I want to know what

956
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: they're offering you. Hey, they're offering you to come to

957
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 3: spring training for a day or two and they're not

958
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 3: going to hire you. And yes, there are mental skills

959
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,959
Speaker 3: coaches that talk to different things and talk to different teams,

960
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 3: and I get that, but not outfield coaches that I've

961
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 3: ever found. And I'm all for it if he can

962
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: figure it out, because I want that job. I want

963
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: to be a catchup coach for all thirty teams. So Kevin,

964
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 3: name the team so we can figure it out and

965
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: let me know when you get that job, because I'm

966
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 3: for it. But also I stand by what I said

967
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 3: until I see it. I won't believe it. When I

968
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 3: see it, I believe it because you know what, I

969
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 3: once played for the Saint Louis Cardinals and they are

970
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: in the show me state, So show me, Kevin.

971
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 6: Okay, I appreciate that. And we loved it that he

972
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 6: called you out. And he's keeping receipts. So next time,

973
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 6: next time jan k comes on, we want to we

974
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 6: want to know. We'll find out what teams he went to.

975
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 6: And because it's not gonna be a secret, he's gonna

976
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 6: be trolling around, but we'll go to Krats hats. How

977
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 6: can I not when my guy, Zach Britton's coming on

978
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 6: wear an O's hat, very classic O's. I feel like

979
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 6: I can wear a hat all year. He is not

980
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 6: a Yankee. I love that you asked that question. He

981
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 6: played for the Yankees, but he was not remembered as

982
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 6: a Yankee. He will be the dominant closer of the

983
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 6: team that came up a little short. Came up a

984
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 6: little short, but it wasn't his fault. Tomorrow's guest list,

985
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 6: we have Max Munci, We've got FP Santangelo from Splashit Territory,

986
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 6: and your favorite senior insider, Ken Rosenthal. Oh and don't forget, Yes,

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Speaker 6: don't forget. We're still running the Black Friday special on

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Speaker 6: the Foul Territory Shop for all your merch. You can

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Speaker 6: even get foul Territory merch. You can get fair territory

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Speaker 6: merch also, and a j I know it's go and

991
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Speaker 6: cold in Miami and Orlando, so I think you probably

992
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 6: need a beanie. You're a beanie. You have a beanie

993
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Speaker 6: type of head, So get yourself. Never whoever beanies never.

994
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Speaker 6: And by the way, bear down, bitch, bear down. Best

995
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Speaker 6: record in the NFC. As you said, krats. The Bears

996
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 6: are so good, You're so good. Bears are so good.

997
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Speaker 4: That's what I text the name Ride the Highs, Ride

998
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Speaker 4: the Highs,