1 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: Yes, it's another emergency podcast Sunday, October. 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: One, twenty twenty three. 3 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 3: I'm j E. 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: Skeats here in the yard with my guy Trey Kirby, 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: who literally just finished eating a sandwich. 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: Before we went live. What's up tk pb j O. 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: Is that what it was? 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 3: Was it? Oh? Yeah, throwback skates a little creamy peanut 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 3: butter with some flour fruit jelly. 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, skates. 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 3: You know I get hangry, but you know, I get 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 3: really angry, and I haven't eaten yet today. So I 13 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 3: was like, before I talk to anybody, let me get 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 3: some nutrition inside of me. So I'm not raging here 15 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: at Joe Cronin and Brad Stevens. 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: Okay, That's what I was gonna ask you. Who's the 17 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: peanut butter in this trade? Who's the jelly? Let's talk 18 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: of at Hello to everybody joining us live on YouTube. 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: We appreciate you joining us here on a Sunday afternoon 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: for this little emergency podcast. Hit the like button, make 21 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: sure you subscribe, and all you podcast listeners do the same. 22 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: This one. The pod version may be coming out a 23 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: little bit later than normal. Our guy JD's actually doing 24 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: something on the weekend, So hold tight. But we're here 25 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: live to talk about a deal, and that's right. It 26 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: is the Portland Trailblazers trading guard Drew Holiday to the 27 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: Boston Celtics in exchange for Robert Williams, the third Malcolm 28 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: Brogden protected twenty twenty four first round pick acquired by 29 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: way of the Warriors, and Boston's own twenty twenty nine 30 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: unprotected first rounder. Okay, so that's two players, two picks 31 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: for mister two way himself, Drew Holiday. 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 3: Your thoughts, TK, all right, my thoughts? Where to begin? Skeets? 33 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 3: I think let's start with the Celtics here, because they're 34 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: getting Drew Holiday, They're getting the best player in the deal, 35 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 3: and I think this is a great move for the 36 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: Celtics people I see in the stream team. I'm sure 37 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 3: there have been comments online talking about how this is 38 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 3: going to hurt the Celtics' depth, sending out two important 39 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 3: players in Malcolm Brogden and Robert Williams and just bringing 40 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 3: one back. But I think that's something they can address 41 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 3: further down the line. After the Damian Lillard trade, the 42 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: Bucks kind of vaulted to number one in the Eastern 43 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 3: Conference in my mind, but it was still a toss 44 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 3: up I thought with Boston for who you're going to 45 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 3: say is the favorites in the East. That's probably still 46 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: the case right now, and it's all just a matter 47 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: of opinion on if you're taking the Celtics or the 48 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 3: Bucks here. I think the Celtics got a little bit 49 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: closer with this Drew Holiday move. We know that they 50 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 3: had already tried to trade Malcolm Brogdon once this off season. 51 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 3: Robert Williams, I think is going to be a bigger 52 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 3: loss to me, just because he can have such a 53 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 3: huge impact when he's out on the court, but he's 54 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 3: had a little bit of trouble staying on the court 55 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 3: here for the past couple of seasons, and you know, 56 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 3: even being able to play more than twenty five minutes 57 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 3: has been an issue at times. But I think the 58 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 3: Celtics bringing in Drew is a great move, not dissimilar 59 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 3: to the teams that they've had in the past with 60 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: Marcus Smart. They're kind of similar players at this point 61 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 3: in their career. But the Celtics also do have Kristaps Porzingis, 62 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: who came in the Marcus Smart trade, so I think 63 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 3: they're starting five is going to be really really good. 64 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 3: I think the Bucks starting five is also going to 65 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 3: be really really good. So looking mean and green in 66 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: the Eastern Conference right here, I thought this is a 67 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 3: great move for the Celtics to hop in here and 68 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 3: get Drew Holliday. They'll worry about the depth later, but 69 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 3: going into the season, they got to be considered a 70 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: co favorite with Milwaukee. 71 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. 72 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: According to Woj, the Celtics were among the teams at 73 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: the very top of Drew's wishless too in recent days. 74 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: And the expectation here is that Boston is eager to 75 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: retain him long term because he does have one year 76 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: left on his deal on his current contract, so that's 77 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: something to keep in mind. And I think it just 78 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: came down the Celtics sort of had obviously the more 79 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: significant trade package right to beat out some of these 80 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: other teams. Our guy Sam Vessini at the Athletic he 81 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: nailed this one. He called this trade almost exactly. He 82 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: had to call him up. Over the last couple of 83 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: days six possible Drew Holiday trades, and a lot of 84 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: them were like this idea of like an Eastern Conference 85 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: arms race. That's something we had talked about right after 86 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: the Dame trade, like, oh man, who's gonna get true, 87 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: especially one of these Eastern Conference teams, the Heat, the Sixers, 88 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: or the Celtics. So the Celtics get it done. But 89 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: Sam had it like this. He had it Drew Holiday 90 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: going to Boston for Brogden. Check time, Lord, check, two 91 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: first round picks, you know, check. Maybe we thought they 92 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: would both be Boston, but one of them the Warriors 93 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: there heavily protected. But the final piece he had in 94 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: there was Peyton Pritchard. And obviously he's not, from what 95 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: we know right now, not involved in this deal. But 96 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: good call here from Sam. I was intrigued by some 97 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: of the other ones he had, you know, him going 98 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: to the Heat, him possibly Drew Holiday going to the Warriors, 99 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: if you wanted to get crazy. But this is a 100 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: pretty good significant package for a guy that didn't play 101 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: a second on your team. Obviously comes over in the 102 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: Drew Holiday thick or the Dame thing. Not bad with 103 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: these two pieces, and Brogden could be re rouded. 104 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 3: Oh, I have to imagine Brogden is going somewhere else. 105 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 3: We've heard for months now that the Blazers are devoted 106 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 3: to their young guards, the Triple S crew, and like 107 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: I said, Brogden was traded at one point already this offseason, 108 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 3: so he will be a guy who I think is 109 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 3: in a little bit of demand. 110 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: It's kind of funny. 111 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 3: It's like the Blazers are just like going down the 112 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 3: tiers of point guards in the NBA, going from Lillard 113 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 3: to Drew to Malcolm Brogden, all good players, but you're 114 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 3: getting like one fewer first round pick as you keep going. 115 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: That being said, I think basically the teams who were 116 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: in on Lillard who didn't get him, who were then 117 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: in on Drew holiday and didn't get them, probably you're 118 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 3: going to be in on Malcolm Brogden here as well. 119 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 3: The Sixers maybe they get in the mix. Maybe the 120 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: Heat getting the mix. And we know the Clippers have 121 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 3: been interested in the past as well. But the final 122 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,679 Speaker 3: net for the Blazer that you've seen kicking around skeets 123 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: eighton Williams Brogden a twenty four first round pick, being 124 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 3: the Warriors too unprotected in twenty nine, the Celtics and 125 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: the Bucks, and then pickswaps in twenty eight and thirty. 126 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 3: Joe Cronin's been working. We heard all about his Moleskin 127 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: notebook over the weekend. This guy must be getting the 128 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 3: five pack from Amazon or something like that, because he's 129 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: been making all kinds of crazy calls. 130 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 2: But I think this is nice for the Blazers. 131 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: They waited it out, and waiting it's the hardest part, 132 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 3: but sometimes it pays off. 133 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: Do you consider this the definition of a haul at 134 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: the end of the day for Damian Lillard? Is this 135 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: hall haul worthy to Trey Kirby or is this It 136 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: sounds like you're leaning towards good job, Joe, wait to 137 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: wait out and you're not upset with what's coming back there. 138 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: But is it a hall? 139 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 2: That's what I gotta know. 140 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: This is definitely a good job Joe, and man, I'll 141 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 3: consider this a haul. They got a young player of 142 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 3: recent number one oher All pick and DeAndre Aiden. They 143 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 3: got Robert Williams, a guy I really like, and by 144 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 3: all accounts, the Blazers want to keep both of them around. 145 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 2: I think that's kind of interesting. 146 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: Kind of tells you what they think about eight and 147 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: as a player, probably a more perimeter based guy, and 148 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: they'll let him expand his game a little further out 149 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 3: and then Robert Williams would likely be the main rim 150 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 3: defender and roller kind of type. So I think that's okay. Brogden, 151 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 3: like I said, I don't think he's going to stick 152 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 3: around long term. And then they have five picks, one 153 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: of them coming soon in twenty twenty four, but the 154 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: next four are when Scoot Henderson is going to have 155 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 3: been playing for five to six years in the NBA. 156 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: That's when he's. 157 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 3: Coming up for his next big contract. Not to mention, 158 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 3: you will have gotten to see exactly what he's like 159 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 3: out in the NBA. So even if these Bucks picks, 160 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 3: even if these Celtics picks, even if they end up 161 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: being late in the twenties, you know, if Yanna sticks around, 162 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: if the Celtics are able to keep Jason and Jalen 163 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 3: around and they're picking you know, twenty five through thirty, 164 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 3: those picks are still valuable to the Blazers to add 165 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 3: young contributors around. But you assume is going to be 166 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: their core of Henderson and who else pops and meshes 167 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 3: well with. 168 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: Him in the next five seasons. 169 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, when you see Rudy Gobert go 170 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: for four first round picks on his own, maybe this 171 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily look like a haul like that, but I 172 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: think the Blazers did a really good job and I 173 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: think the math has changed with the new CBA coming in. 174 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think, yeah, is this an all Caps hall? 175 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: Maybe not, but I still do consider this an ahauol. 176 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I. 177 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: Would just push back. And I see some people going, well, 178 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: they're going to be able to flip Brogden for a 179 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: first round or now, I'm not so sure about that 180 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: with his with his health issues especially, I mean, I 181 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: don't know. And if I think they would be wise 182 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: to actually keep Robert Williams a third I know there 183 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: was some talk. Oh, I mean they could. I mean, 184 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: it's more likely you could flip him for a first 185 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: rounder than I think. It is brognant at this point. 186 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: But they'll get something in return, even if it's a 187 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: young prospect or too or it's like, yeah, two second 188 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: round picks or something like that, and maybe one of 189 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: them sort of early in the second round, but not 190 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: bad overall. As you went through that from the Celtics 191 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: side of things, you know, you were debating sort of 192 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: where they are with the Bucks after Damian Lillard goes 193 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: to Milwaukee, do you feel like they've had a like 194 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: a successful offseason here. I mean, they're big things here 195 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: is Porzingis and Holiday and to get there it was 196 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: like Muscala and Gallinari in Brogden and time Lord and 197 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: then their own twenty twenty nine pick. Overall though, I 198 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: mean they got to play, you know, of course he 199 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 1: got to be out there, especially Porzingis, But you think 200 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: this is good to pair with the Jays here. 201 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: You don't mind it. I don't mind it. 202 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 3: It does feel to me like the Celtics for the 203 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 3: past couple of seasons, their strength, to me has been 204 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 3: their defense, and then they just kind of have been 205 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 3: playing a high variance game in three point shooting, despite 206 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 3: the fact that Drew is a really good defender. I 207 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 3: think that they have probably taken a little bit of 208 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 3: a step back on defense, wanting to take a step 209 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 3: forward on offense because they've been just so. 210 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: Hit and miss. 211 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 3: I don't know how Drew Holliday affects that. We've seen 212 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 3: him become very much smartish and his ups and downs, 213 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: his trick or treat sort of nature. But I do 214 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: think the Celtics were kind of trying to fight getting stale. 215 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 3: We've heard Doc Rivers talk about that a lot in 216 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 3: the past, where a team who stays together for a 217 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 3: while eventually you just got to shake things up, and 218 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 3: that's kind of how the Celtics approached things here. 219 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: It started with the Marcus. 220 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 3: Smart trade and maybe losing him and just his attitude 221 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 3: and the way he's able to organize the team is 222 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 3: going to be their biggest miss here. But they've still 223 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 3: got a lot of continuity. They've still got a lot 224 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 3: of vets who are going to be able to instruct 225 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: the younger players and get everybody on the same page. 226 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: So I think it's been a pretty worthy change up 227 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: here for Boston. And then once the Damian Willard trade hit, 228 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 3: I kind of feel like they did have to do 229 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: something to stay in the arms race here, and they 230 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 3: made a pretty solid move. 231 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: Who doesn't like Drew Holliday. Of course they want to 232 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: keep him around. 233 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: The guy can play both sides of the ball, seems 234 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 3: like a great dude, and he's not monopolizing a million possessions, 235 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 3: so he's easy to slot in everywhere. 236 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: If you're keeping track of like sort of the Celtics 237 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: ledger from the offseason, when you're just looking at like 238 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: key pieces. It's two Williams gone right, Robert Williams the 239 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: third Grant Williams who's now in Dallas, and Marcus Smart, 240 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: as Trey said, in that trade. And then you've got 241 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: Porzingis and Drew Holliday. So so three out, two in, 242 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: and you could talk yourself into those guys coming in 243 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: better players than the previous three, especially because Robert Williams 244 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: there just couldn't stay healthy. I mean, if the guy, 245 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: if the guy was playing eighty games a season, you 246 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: know he's not going anywhere. He's probably there and part 247 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: of that future and and part of their core. But 248 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: it's just a it's unfortunate knock on him at this point. 249 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: It's it happens all the time with him. It's very 250 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: difficult for him to stay out there. So yeah, we'll 251 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: see what they do. I'm with you one hundred percent 252 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: that after the Dame move, it was okay, you know, 253 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta. 254 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: Do something here. You know, we're still there, we're in 255 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: the mix. 256 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: We got obviously all NBA talent, but we could really 257 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: use someone to maybe like quote unquote replace Marcus Smart 258 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: that can play both sides of the ball and Holy 259 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: crap Drew Holiday and Derek White as a backcourt defensively, 260 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: is there a better one in the league. I mean, 261 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: if those guys are both out there at the same time, 262 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: just like defensive reasons, like that is some shut down 263 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: perimeter defense there. So that's that's scary for these other teams. 264 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: And I got to point out, we know that Drew 265 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: has shut down Dame before, oh maybe in the postseason 266 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: back in the day. So if you want to get 267 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: spicy and look ahead to a potential playoff matchup between 268 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: those teams, the Bucks and the Celtics, you know Boston's 269 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: gonna be happy with that. 270 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's exactly right. 271 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 3: It was the twenty eighteen playoffs the Pelicans swept the 272 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 3: Blazers out, and that was when literally Drew Holliday probably 273 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: like first made his bones as a as a playoff player. 274 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 3: You've heard a lot of talk recently skeets about you know, 275 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 3: him shooting under forty percent for his entire playoff tenure 276 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 3: as a Buck. Kevin O'Connor likes to call him Eric 277 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 3: bloodsoe on offense, that's fine. He's now going to be 278 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 3: at best the third option on the on the Celtics. 279 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 3: You know, it'll probably be him and Porzingis taking turns 280 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: being the third option, which maybe that's tough to figure 281 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 3: out because both those guys are used to having the 282 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: ball more often. But yeah, I do like the added 283 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 3: spice of Drew Holliday versus Dame Lillard. And well, that's 284 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 3: probably one of Dame's lowest moments in the playoffs, getting 285 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: swept out after having a pretty solid team there. Meanwhile, 286 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 3: it's one of Drew's greatest moments until he got to 287 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 3: the Bucks championship. 288 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 2: So that'll be spicy if they actually end up meeting. 289 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: So after this goes down, after Drew makes his way 290 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: to Boston, I immediately checked the schedule, I'm like, well, 291 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: when's Milwaukee playing Boston? Like, is this like one of these, 292 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: like you know, opening week games? Is it way later 293 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: buried in the new calendar or the next year calendar? 294 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 3: Year? 295 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: I should say, no, November twenty second, not bad Celtics 296 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: Bucks about a month into the season, a little less 297 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: than a month, let's call it three weeks or so, 298 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: So that's exciting, that's juicy. I did see as well 299 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: the Bucks their rain if you want to call it that. 300 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: As the odds on favorite to win the title didn't 301 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: last very long. The Celtics are now the favorites to 302 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: win the ship. I think it went. The Celtics went 303 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: from plus five to fifty to now plus three seventy five, 304 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: and the Bucks have gone to plus four hundred, So 305 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: they've dipped a little bit from plus three to fifty. 306 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: And then you've got the Nuggets and Sons there right 307 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: right on their tails as favorites coming out of the 308 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: West and to win the whole thing. Yeah, So that's 309 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: how these things go, right, make a big move flips 310 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: one way, and somebody else makes some of the move 311 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: flips the other way. 312 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 3: They lose Vegas, man, they never lose exactly. It's whoever's 313 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: the most newsy. Guess what, you're the favorites right now. 314 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 3: So I would say, bet Denver. Just bet Denver. Yeah, 315 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 3: they're barely in the news right now. And guess what, 316 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: they're the defending champions with the most continuity and the 317 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 3: best player in the league. I don't know those skeets. 318 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 3: What do you think, who do you have as the 319 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 3: favorite in the Eastern Conference? You know, hours after this 320 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,359 Speaker 3: trade happened, or you go in Boston and Milwaukee. 321 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: I think I still lean towards Milwaukee. What's fascinating though, 322 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: now with these teams like sort of going top heavy, 323 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: if you want to call it that, Like they have 324 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: lost a lot of depths, like both squads, it may 325 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: not matter come playoff time, but it's sure as hell 326 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: can matter in a regular season if one of your 327 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: stars are two are banged up and miss time, and 328 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: then obviously you're playing sort of backup guys in more 329 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: in a heavier role. That could have effect on your 330 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: record and your seating and who you see and home 331 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: court advantage and all that. But I still think I 332 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: lean towards Milwaukee just slightly slightly. 333 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: So yeah, I would be with you, just because I 334 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 3: think once you get down to players three through fifteen 335 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 3: gonna be pretty even. So when you're looking at the 336 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 3: top two, though, I would take Giannis over Tatum, and 337 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 3: I would take Lillard over Jalen Brown. Personally, I can 338 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 3: see making the argument the other way. So I have 339 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 3: Milwaukee just the hair ahead as well. 340 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 2: Well. 341 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: Okay, who the hell on the Celtics gonna stop Jannis? 342 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: Now that arguably three of their guys that they put 343 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: on them, I'm including smart who would see him at 344 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: time two Williams smart, They're gone, Okay Horford obviously porzingis 345 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: I guess. But then the flip side of that is 346 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: who on who on Milwaukee is stopping the wings on 347 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: the Jays. I mean it's that's that's what makes this 348 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: such it should be such a great matchup. Hopefully we 349 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: see them in. 350 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: The playoff series. 351 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, styles make fights, and you're right, the strengths of 352 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: one team are kind of the holes of the other team, 353 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 3: so that'll be interesting to see. But like you're saying, 354 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 3: both teams don't have a ton of death right now. 355 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 3: Most of the both of these deals have been multiple 356 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 3: players going out from the team acquiring for just one 357 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 3: guy coming back. But I think that just means that 358 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 3: the Bucks and the Celtics are growth both going to 359 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 3: be pretty active throughout the season trying to acquire players, 360 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 3: whether it be at the trade deadline or once buyouts 361 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 3: come around. 362 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: Like I'm just thinking through my brain. 363 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 3: Of random biggs who might be available for the Celtics, 364 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 3: you know, come February. 365 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 2: In March. 366 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 3: It's like Jeff Green might not stick around Houston forever. 367 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 3: Same with Jack Landale, Like Jeremiah Robinson Earl is a 368 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 3: name I've heard kicking around who could be cut by 369 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: the Oklahoma City Thunder just because they're running into a 370 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 3: roster crunch, like they can roll Luke Cornett out there 371 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 3: right now to do the Cornette contest. He's going to 372 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 3: be overtaxed for the first half of the season, but 373 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 3: they will have him replaced. 374 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 2: As a third big. I would have to imagine come 375 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: playoff time. What about Dwight Howard? What about Dwight Howard? 376 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 2: Is he on a roster? I don't think he's on 377 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 2: the Warriors roster? 378 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 3: Is he? Dwight Howard is leading the summer in meetings taken? 379 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 3: We all remember what he did against Jokic in twenty twenty. 380 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 3: That was almost four years ago. 381 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: Skeets. 382 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 3: The Warriors said thanks, but no thanks, Dwight. Maybe the 383 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 3: Celtics bring him in. 384 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: I don't know. They could at least talk to him 385 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: and see what he likes. 386 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 3: I would be nervous though, bringing Dwight Howard to Boston 387 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 3: eating all. 388 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: Those baked beans disgusting. 389 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: Oh wow, wow, I did think about that. 390 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 391 00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: Interesting to go back to the Joe cronin Mole Skin 392 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: journal that you mentioned. I saw a guy, Alex Wong. 393 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: He had a funny tweet. He said, Joe Cronin's mole 394 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: Skin Journal really shook up the East, upgraded the Bucks 395 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: and Celtics got Sixers fans down bad and Heat fans tweeting. 396 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: Dame carried his kids on his arms because he didn't 397 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: want to high five Bucks fans. 398 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 2: His heart isn't in it. 399 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: If you saw that video of Dame carrying his kids 400 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: while he was getting greeted in Milwaukee, Alex Wang, hilarious. 401 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: But yeah, all I think about now, anytime sort of 402 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: a quote unquote big trade goes down, especially in the 403 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 1: Eastern conferences, we are just one step closer to Tray 404 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: Kirby's prediction of dwell Embiid making his way to the 405 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: Miami Heat and teaming up with Jimmy down in South Beach. 406 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 2: I'm sure you think the same. 407 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 3: Definitely hasn't changed, because I do think that when you're 408 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 3: looking at these two trades as a whole, the Litthered 409 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 3: trade and now the subsequent Drew Holliday trade, I had 410 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 3: the Heat as the biggest loser for the Lillard trade, 411 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 3: and maybe maybe the Sixers are the biggest loser here 412 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 3: because another team just is staying a step ahead of them. 413 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 3: They've had trouble taken down Boston already. Now it seemed like, okay, 414 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 3: maybe we've got an an opening here, but no, they 415 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 3: beefed up their roster and meanwhile the Heat just keeps 416 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 3: striking out on potential acquisitions here. 417 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 2: So now come Brogden. 418 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 3: I guess, come on down perhaps otherwise I don't know, 419 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 3: it's not looking too good. It feels like a two 420 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 3: team race in the East, at least, you know, on 421 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 3: October first. 422 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: And you did say that part where Portland goes from 423 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: from Dame to Drew to Brogden. For now, how they're 424 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: trading like point guards for like slightly less valuable point guards. 425 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: Who's the next step down from mocam Brogden. 426 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: Okay, if we're gonna continue on this. 427 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 3: Path, Kyle Lowry, I'm just thinking the heater on my mind. 428 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 3: So I'm like, Lowry, you know, he's got a championship, 429 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 3: he's a multiple time All Star, but he's later on 430 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 3: in his career. 431 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 2: I don't know if you got him or Brogden higher 432 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 2: on your tier list. Yeah, that's okay, it's tough. 433 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: Maybe someone in the comments, someone in the stream team 434 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: can help us out who's like the next level down 435 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: from Brogden. Any other thoughts here on Drew Holiday going 436 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: to the Boston Celtics and the Blazers, you know, getting 437 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: some more assets there in terms of players and picks, 438 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: and again maybe they're not done. Any final thoughts. 439 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 3: I guess my final thought is what's happening with James Harden. 440 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 3: Training camp starts tomorrow's skeets, and we heard all summer 441 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 3: from both Darryl Morey and from James Harden. We're ready 442 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 3: to get uncomfortable. The real uncomfortable stuff starts tomorrow. If 443 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 3: the Sixers don't make a move here. I don't necessarily 444 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 3: know if the Blazers are now going to be trading 445 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 3: Brogden for James Harden and then having to figure out 446 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 3: yet another trade. That seems unlikely to me. But there's 447 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 3: running out of places for James Harden to go, just 448 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 3: because he's got such a big contract. It's going to 449 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 3: be harder and harder to find the perfect match for him. 450 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 3: So it's looking like we're gonna have some awkwardness in 451 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: Philadelphia soon. 452 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, especially when you consider one of those proposed trades 453 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: that did make some sense. Was Drew going to Philly 454 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: with James Harden going to LA and then other stuff 455 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: going to Portland. I know that was one that was 456 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: getting kicked around a lot, but that's obviously not happening now. Yeah, 457 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: we wait and see here with James Harden. He's not 458 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: going to be showing up at camp. Is he called 459 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: the GM a liar. 460 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: He threw a party where everybody called him a liar. 461 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on here, but uh yeah, 462 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 3: I don't know. Man. We saw Harden make things really 463 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: awkward when he was leaving Houston, so let's see what 464 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 3: else he's got in the back. 465 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well that's that's what we think on 466 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: Drew holiday going to the Celtics. We wait to see 467 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: about James Harden. I'm sure we'll fire up another emergency 468 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: podcast if that goes down in the next don't know hours, days, weeks, 469 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: we'll find out. We should be back in the factory 470 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: on Tuesday. We're gonna do something really fun. We are 471 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: going to draft our best and worst NBA predictions from 472 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: last season. We've never done this before, always making predictions 473 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: at the start of seasons, we do week at least 474 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: a week worth. The show is making predictions and then 475 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, the season starts and we're just on and 476 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: into the season. But we thought, wouldn't it be fun 477 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: to actually look back at last year's predictions and see 478 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: what we nailed and what we all, you know, absolutely botched, 479 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: and then we can make it a fun little draft. 480 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: So that's what TK and I are gonna do. I've 481 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: had a lot of fun actually listening to those podcasts 482 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: or watching them on on YouTube and you know, look, hey, spoiler, 483 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: we got some things correct. Something's terribly wrong, so we'll 484 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: have some fun. 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Trey, you were gone 492 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: for the weekend at like some indoor water park. 493 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: Is that what that is? 494 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? 495 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 3: When it's a Great Wolf Lodge, it's a hotel and 496 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 3: indoor water park and you know, just anything that a 497 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 3: kid would want to do that has the most extreme 498 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 3: decibel levels they have it in there and they put 499 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 3: it indoors and then they pump in music and somehow, 500 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 3: I don't know, skeets, they must have a reverb filter 501 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 3: in here, because it feels like every noise you hear 502 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 3: is somehow amplified the entire time. So, you know, first 503 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 3: twenty four hours, I'm chilling, and once we get to 504 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 3: those second twenty four hours, it can. 505 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: Be a little overwhelming for me. There is no outdoor 506 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: part to this water park. It's all indoors. 507 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 3: There is an outdoor pool and there are definitely multiple 508 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 3: slides where you start indoors and go outside. How wild Ah, okay, okay, 509 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 3: because I mean it was beautiful this weekend. 510 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: I mean it was hot enough. Yeah, it was nice 511 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: to be at an outdoor water park. But then, yeah, 512 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: you're in indoors for most of it. Oh yeah, anyway. 513 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 2: Kids don't care. They're just in the water. They had 514 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 2: a great time. Those kids were raging, raging, and yeah you. 515 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: See any well those guys say, did you see any wolves? 516 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 3: Not real ones? Yeah, stuff wolves. So you know, I 517 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 3: was walking around with the ears on howling at the moon. 518 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 3: They did play were Wolves of London, I like said 519 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 3: jokingly Laura I'm like, I wonder if they'll play wear 520 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 3: Wolves of London. We heard it within ten minutes. Oh okay, 521 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 3: respect exactly, Wolf Lodge. Respect in respect to the Wolves 522 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 3: and the lodges of the Great Wolf Lodge. 523 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: All right, guys, thanks so much. 524 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: We'll see you on Tuesday unless we get a Heart 525 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: of the Emergency podcast till that, Clipper Bros. 526 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 2: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up. 527 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 3: Love you guys, awesome, Thanks for joining us, and remember, 528 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 3: oh 529 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 2: Raise the Deep.