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Second, 45 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 4: I think maybe you need to travel more. 46 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: Hey, I mean I have lots of friends who don't 47 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: have PhDs like me. 48 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 4: You mean you do know I have a PhD. 49 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: Right Ooh that's true. Actually, well, I'm sure one of 50 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: my friends out there doesn't have a PhD in something. 51 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 4: Probably sometimes you have to leave your comfort zone to 52 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 4: discover what the rest of the world or the universe is. Like, 53 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 4: Hi am Poorge. I'm a cartoonist and the creator of 54 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 4: PhD comics. 55 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Daniel. I'm a particle physicist by day and 56 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: a podcaster by night. 57 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 4: It makes it sound like you're a superhero. Like you, 58 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 4: you put on a costume and you go and fight 59 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 4: crime and discover things. 60 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 1: Wait, which is the alter ego and which is a superhero? 61 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 5: Ago? 62 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: Are you saying particle physicists are superheroes or podcasters? 63 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 4: Well, since I'm not a physicist, I would say the 64 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 4: podcasters are the superheroes. 65 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: That's right. By day, a boring, run of the mill 66 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: particle physicist, like the kind you meet at your grocery 67 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: store every day. 68 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 4: No more like during the day. You're a physicist, scientist, 69 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 4: super villain. Oh during night, then you try to fix 70 00:03:58,400 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 4: fix it by being a podcaster. 71 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: That's right, And I take off my glasses to reveal 72 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: my secret podcast identity. 73 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 4: Do you shave your beard every night? 74 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: Never? That is the source of my knowledge and inspiration? 75 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 4: Is this source of your power? Is this source of 76 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 4: a professor male professor's powers? 77 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: That's right? I am the Samsun of physics. Before I 78 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: grew this beard, I never achieved anything in science. 79 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 4: Oh man, what if you get a go tee? Does 80 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 4: that cut your productivity? You can half? 81 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: It's non linear. 82 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 4: Well, welcome to our podcast Daniel and Jorge Explain the Universe, 83 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 4: a production of iHeartRadio. 84 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: In which we tackle all things about the universe that 85 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: are mysterious, that are amazing, that are bonkers, from how 86 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: the universe was formed, to how big is it? To 87 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: how old the Earth is, to whether or not your 88 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: facial hair determines your evil or innocence. 89 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 4: Yep, or whether it being a podcaster makes you a 90 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 4: superhero or not. 91 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: I think we all know the answer to that one. 92 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 4: But basically we talk about all the things that are 93 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 4: interesting and different and fascinating about our universe right especially 94 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 4: the things around us. 95 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: And we try to focus on the things that science 96 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: is asking right now, the questions in the minds of scientists. 97 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: We try to take you to the cutting edge of 98 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: current science and then deobscurify it. We don't use complicated 99 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: words like deobscurify. We try to make things clear and 100 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: understand it. 101 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 4: You just contradicted yourself there, I feeling. We try to 102 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 4: explain things in the simplest way possible, but when we 103 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 4: explain it are explaining we use the most complicated words possible. 104 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Daniel and Jorge explain the universe, not 105 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: Daniel and Jorge explain the explaining. 106 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 4: And then welcome through a new podcast. Daniel and Jorge 107 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 4: explain Daniel and Jorge explain the universe. 108 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: That's right, the spinoff podcast exactly. I'm looking forward to 109 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: that one. 110 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 4: A lot of TV shows now have it like an 111 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 4: after show. 112 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: So that's the better off Saul of podcasts. 113 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's talk Daniel and Jorge podcast. 114 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: I need to have somebody else on it though, where 115 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: they can ridicule all of our jokes. Nah, let's pretend 116 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: to be some other person. 117 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 4: Oh, there you go. 118 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: I'll be David and you'll be Girmo. 119 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 4: David and Jose, David and Jose. 120 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: Ridicule, Daniel and Juage. 121 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 4: All right, well, you know we talk about all the 122 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 4: things scientists want to. 123 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 6: Know and. 124 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 4: How they look at the universe as well. Right, Like, 125 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 4: you know, one way to look at the universe is 126 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 4: to compare it to the things around us. 127 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: That's right, And something we're always trying to do in 128 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: science is understand our context. Is understand where we live, 129 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: because hey, this is our planet and our solar system. 130 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: We like to know is the rest of you of 131 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: the universe similar to what we're finding around us or 132 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: is it totally different? 133 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, because we like the Earth presumably, and it's pretty comfortable. 134 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: And I'm pro Earth, your proth it's pretty I'm taking 135 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 1: a controversial opinion here. 136 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 4: At night, you're pro Earth. Probably during the day you're 137 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 4: anti Earth. 138 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: Well, it's not like particle physicists threatened to destroy the 139 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: universe at any moment, so. 140 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 4: On purpose, right, on purpose? 141 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: Hey, intentions matter. Okay, I'm sure. 142 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 4: They matter once we're all made out of a dissolved particles. 143 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: No, but we want to understand the world around us, 144 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: and we want to understand if there are other worlds 145 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: out there, and we'd also just like to know is 146 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: the thing that we've been studying for the entire history 147 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: of science. Is it normal? Is it typical? Or are 148 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: we studying something which turns out to be really unusual 149 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: and that we can't generalize from to get sort of 150 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: deeper truths about the nature of the universe. 151 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, we like the Earth, we like our solar system, 152 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 4: but is the rest of the universe like us? 153 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: And we're in an amazing moment in human history when 154 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: we're for the first time really getting glimpses for what 155 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: the rest of the universe looked like. You know, for 156 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: thousands of years, all we could see were other stars. 157 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: We didn't even know if there were other planets out there. 158 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: And then fairly recently in human history, thousands of years 159 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: ago we discovered that there are other planets out there. 160 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: And now super recently, just like twenty years ago, we've 161 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: begun seeing planets around other stars. So we can now 162 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: ask and answer this question people have been wondering about 163 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: four thousands and thousands of years. 164 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 4: So today on the podcast, we'll be asking the question 165 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 4: is our solar system weird or typical? 166 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: And either way we love it. Right, it's our solar system. 167 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: Whatever label you put on it, we like it. But 168 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: we're still curious. Is it sort of the odd ball 169 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: solar system it's the only one we've been studying for 170 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: a long time, or is it pretty typical? 171 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a really cool question. And because you know, 172 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 4: I think we grew we grew up in this solar system, right, 173 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 4: and we don't have We have no idea whether it's 174 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 4: every other solar system looks like this one, or whether 175 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 4: we're like this really weird, odd special gem or disaster, 176 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 4: depending on how things work out of a solar system. 177 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's all we could have studied for the 178 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: longest time because our telescopes couldn't see any further, so 179 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: we were limited to only looking at our cosmic neighborhood, 180 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: to studying our planet and the ones nearby, And so 181 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: of course we were curious what else was out there 182 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: in the rest of the universe. But imagine if you'd 183 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: only lived in your hometown your whole life, and you'd 184 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: never received any news in the outside world, and so 185 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: you didn't know that people ate differently in other countries, 186 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: and people went to the bathroom differently in other countries, 187 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: and dressed differently and spoke differently. You imagined that everything 188 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: else in the world was sort of like your hometown. 189 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: That's where we are right now in science we're wondering 190 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: if those other solar systems are totally different or just 191 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: the same as ours. 192 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're saying humanity sort of like those mirrorcats you've 193 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 4: seen documentaries. We were just finally sticking our head out 194 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 4: of the hole in the ground that we've been living 195 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 4: in and looking around this. 196 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, but we've been desperate to do it for a 197 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: long time, and we've only recently built a technology that's 198 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: let us see other solar systems and start to get 199 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: an answer to this question. 200 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, because you know, I feel like most people just 201 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 4: assumed that the rest of the universe look like our 202 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 4: solar system and our planet, right, Like, if you look 203 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 4: at most science fiction TV shows and movies, you know, 204 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 4: everywhere they go, it sort of looks suspiciously like Earth. 205 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's a failure of imagination, especially 206 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: on the part of science fiction. When you fly to 207 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: another planet and you know, hey, it has oxygen on 208 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: it and trees and hills and water that look just 209 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: like ours, and oh, people on it that look just 210 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: like ours, but their foreheads are slightly wrinkly. I think 211 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: that's a failure of imagination, but it's also sort of understandable, 212 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: because it's hard to imagine things totally different from anything 213 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: you've ever seen before. That's why good science fiction is rare. 214 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 4: Did you just insult all Star Trek and Star Wars. 215 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: That was supposed to be sort of like a subtweet? 216 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: Didn't mention it by name, but yeah, yeah. 217 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 4: And so the question is are those science fiction movies right? 218 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 4: Are Are there really other earths out there? Are other 219 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 4: solar systems like ours? Or are we unique in this universe? 220 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 4: And so, as usual, we were wondering how what people 221 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 4: thought about this question, whether people thought that we are unique, 222 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 4: or whether things are very different out there in the verse. 223 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: So I walked around campus and I asked random students 224 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: about other random solar systems. Think for a moment, do 225 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: you think other solar systems look like ours? Is our 226 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: solar system typical? Or is our solar system going to 227 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: turn out to be really weird? The galactic oddball. 228 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,479 Speaker 4: Here's what people had to say. 229 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: From what I know, it's typical. 230 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 4: I mean depends what you say. Typical is considering there's 231 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 4: billions of stars, but it's not unusual. 232 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 3: No, I have no idea. 233 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 4: It's probably random. If there were gases on a planet 234 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 4: that were closer to the Sun or like star, maybe 235 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 4: they would like dissipate faster. 236 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: I think that it's random. 237 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 4: I think you say I do not know. 238 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 7: I think it's random, and I think it's going to 239 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 7: be different because our solar system it revolves around the Sun. 240 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 6: I think other systems are going to be different. 241 00:11:58,640 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: So what do you think of those answers? 242 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 4: Or pretty good? I thought. I felt like people had 243 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 4: a strong opinion about this topic. You know, everyone said 244 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 4: I think it's X. Nobody said I don't know, or 245 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 4: only a few people said I had no idea. But 246 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 4: a lot of people were like, I think I have 247 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 4: an opinion about this. 248 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, given that nobody really knows the answer to this question, 249 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: I was a little surprised at the strength of people's opinions. 250 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I often ask people questions and they go, 251 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: I have no idea quantum what. But this time people 252 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: had an opinion. And maybe that's just because people have 253 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: thought about this. They've wondered what other solar systems look like. 254 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,719 Speaker 1: They've thought about traveling to the stars and walking on 255 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: those planets and wondered if they would be like ours. 256 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 4: I wonder if you would get different answers if you 257 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 4: caveat each time you ask these questions, if you caveat 258 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 4: them with Oh, and by the way, some of the 259 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 4: smartest people in the world don't know the answer to this. 260 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: That would be so much less fun. 261 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 4: Who would want to answer that? Nobody. 262 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: I love when people speculate. I love seeing them in 263 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: their minds sort of take this question on, sometimes for 264 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: the first time and formulate an answer. And my favorite 265 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: moments are when you can see somebody giving an answer 266 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: that sort of surprises themselves. They think about it, they 267 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: give an answer like, oh, I didn't realize I do 268 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: think that. That's fascinating. 269 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 4: It makes me wonder how much we actually think about 270 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 4: the things we say. 271 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm just listening to my own self talk and 272 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, what did he just say? 273 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 4: So that's the question of the day. Is is our 274 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 4: solar system unique or is it pretty typical? And if 275 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 4: it's not typical, how different could it be out there? 276 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: And you should count yourself lucky to live in a 277 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: time when we will know the answer to this question. 278 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: Some of the greatest minds in history, Galileo Einstein, Newton, 279 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: even recent people like Richard Feynman, they looked up at 280 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: the stars and they wondered if other solar systems look 281 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: like ours. They all died not knowing the answer. All 282 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: you have to do is listen to this podcast. 283 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're welcome. 284 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: Are you taking credit for all the scientific discoveries? Thank you? 285 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: Or hey who personally built the Hubble space telescope with 286 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: his own hands? 287 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 4: I signed the back of it. I don't know if 288 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 4: anyone will ever. 289 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: You drew a doodle on it? Are you the official 290 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: cartoonist of the space telescope? 291 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 4: Technically you can prove that I didn't sign the back 292 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 4: of the Hubble telescope. 293 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: Oh I need another telescope trained on the space telescope 294 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: to see the back of it. I wonder if anybody 295 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: ever does that. 296 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 4: But yeah, so, yeah, it's an interesting question. I'm sure 297 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 4: a lot of people have asked before. So let's break 298 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 4: it down for people. 299 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 8: Daniel. 300 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 4: Let's talk about our solar system, and then let's talk 301 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 4: about what other solar system. Well, we know about other 302 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 4: solar systems out there. 303 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: Right, and our solar system is actually quite fascinating because 304 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: it has some sort of trends in it. And you 305 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: have to remember that all of our knowledge of solar 306 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: systems and how they're formed, all of our theories how 307 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: solar systems were built, have been developed over decades or 308 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: hundreds of years based on just this one example, our 309 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: solar system. So you know, we sort of tuned these 310 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: theories to describe what we've seen here, and now comes 311 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: the big test to see whether these theories going to 312 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: be applied and explained other solar. 313 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 4: Systems, right, because I think maybe people a lot of 314 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 4: people don't realize that we can't just up until very 315 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 4: very recently, and only just now barely, we haven't really 316 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 4: been able to like take a telescope pointed at another 317 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 4: star and see another solar system, right like it's up 318 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 4: until very very recently, it's been a complete mystery what 319 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 4: other solar systems look like. 320 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, the first planet around another star was seen just 321 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: over twenty years ago, so it's a blip in human 322 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: history and even in scientific history. But even before we 323 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: talk about the other solar systems. Our Solar system is interesting, 324 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: like there are some weird trends in it. You know, 325 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: the first four planets in the Solar System are all 326 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: rocky planets. Planets basically come in two flavors, rocky or gassy. 327 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: That sounds like sounds like a bad ice cream shop. 328 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, like like like what happens when I like those 329 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 4: internlar in person goes to an ice cream shop? 330 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 6: Yeah? 331 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: Well, the first four planets have surfaces on them, right, 332 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: You got Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars. These are basically 333 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: balls of rock and metal. And so we call those 334 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: rocky planets, and there's no gas planets in the inner 335 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: for Instead, you have the four rocky planets, then you 336 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: have the asteroid belt that we dug into in a 337 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: recent episode. And then after the asteroid belt, you got 338 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: the gas giants and the ice giants. You got Saturn, 339 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: You've got Jupiter, you got Urinus and Neptune, and those 340 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: are pretty different from the inner planets. 341 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 4: Is there a reason we don't have liquid planets or 342 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 4: like wet planets or like giant balls of a liquid 343 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 4: floating around. 344 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: Well, we can't have liquid planets in the far Solar System. 345 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: We have basically ice giants Urinus and Neptune. A huge 346 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: fraction of them is made of water, but it's frozen. 347 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: Of course, it's too cold out there. There is of 348 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: course water here on Earth. But could you have just 349 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: like an entire drop of water be a planet. That'd 350 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: be pretty amazing. I think the pressure from it would 351 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: probably crystallize the inside, so it basically become an ice 352 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: planet with a ocean around it. 353 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 4: Oh, kind of like a Europa or what's the wound that, 354 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 4: like a giant ocean. 355 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, Europa has a huge, actually thick crust of ice 356 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: on top and then a layer of water underneath, like 357 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: an ocean underneath, and then we don't know what's inside 358 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, so that's like an eminem sort of. 359 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 4: But as the reason we don't have liquid planets just 360 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 4: to depending on the elements that we have in our 361 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 4: solar system. 362 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: I don't think you could make a blob of liquid 363 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: water large enough stay liquid because the core of it 364 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: would just be too dense. It would form a solid. 365 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 4: By the time it got big enough to be called 366 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 4: the planet it would it would totally not be liquid. 367 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, the gravitational pressure would make the inside of it 368 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: become a solid or something more dense, it wouldn't be 369 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: liquid anymore. Do you have this fantasy of swimming through 370 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: like a planet sized pool of water? 371 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, the universe is biggest swimming pool. That would be 372 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 4: pretty cool. 373 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: Nothing but a huge drop of water the size of 374 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: the Earth and then a single diving board oings splash. 375 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 4: You're like, you think you have an infinity pool. I 376 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 4: have a planety universe infinity pool. 377 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: But no, we don't have any liquid planets in our 378 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: solar system. But hey, maybe you know, we'll find planets 379 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: in other solar systems that are liquids and they will 380 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: prove us wrong, and maybe liquid planets are possible, but 381 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: we don't happen to have any in our solar system. Instead, 382 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: we have four rocky planets, the asteroid belt, and then 383 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: the gas giants and the ice giants. 384 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 4: And you're saying, that's kind of funny in that it's 385 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 4: sort of like a pattern, Like it's four rocky asteroid 386 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 4: belt gas giants. It's not like rocky gas rocky gas 387 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 4: gas gas rocky. 388 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't seem random. Here's a question from a listener, Camille, 389 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: who thought just the same thing. 390 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 8: Hello, Daniel, and on one of the recent episodes I 391 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 8: have listened to your show, which was all about the 392 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 8: asteroid Belt, you, Daniel mentioned that there must be a 393 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 8: reason why we have solid, rocky planets before the asteroid 394 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 8: belt and then only gas giants afterwards. But you never 395 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 8: got to answering this question, is there a reason that 396 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 8: we know? 397 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 6: Why? 398 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: Is it like this? 399 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 8: Did we see this kind of pattern around other sas 400 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 8: dying to know? 401 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: That's such a good point. Thank you Camille for sending 402 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: in that question. And every time you see a pattern, 403 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: you think maybe there's a reason and you want to 404 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: untangle that reason. Now, it's very dangerous when you're drawing 405 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: conclusions from one example. If you visit somebody's house and 406 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, look their family is boy boy boy, 407 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: boy boy, girl, girl, girl, girl girl, you're going to 408 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: conclude there's a reason right that they all have younger 409 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: girls and older boys. But if you're only looking at 410 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: one house, you're going to be totally wrong. 411 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 4: That would be kind of impolite to ask Daniel. You're like, 412 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 4: did you guys tried? Are you doing something different? 413 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 6: You know? 414 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: When you you know you'd be desperate to know, though 415 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: you'd be super curious. And also there's lots of families 416 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: where it's like five boys and then a girl, and 417 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:45,959 Speaker 1: you know that they were trying for a girl and 418 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: they finally got one and that's when they stopped having kids. 419 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 4: That's when they're like, we're closing shop. Yeah, so maybe 420 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 4: our solar system's close shop. After Neptune or Urinus. 421 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: We're done trying to make a liquid planet. It's not happening. 422 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 4: We're giving that's not happen. Sorry, we're trying to make 423 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 4: a giant swimming pool. But you know, it just hasn't happened. 424 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: That's right. The kids got to go swim somewhere else. 425 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: But so we do have some explanations we've cooked up, 426 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: but of course the proviso is, we don't know if 427 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: this works until we try to apply it to other 428 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: solar systems. And the basic idea is that you don't 429 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: get gas giants close into the Sun because the Sun 430 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: has all this radiation it's spewing out the solar wind, 431 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: and that basically blows out all the light elements, the hydrogen, 432 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: the helium, all this stuff you need to make a 433 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: gas giant. All the gas, it blows it away from 434 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: the Sun. So that's why you don't have gas giants 435 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: close up to the star. 436 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 4: It's kind of like a cloud if it gets too 437 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 4: close to the Sun, which is kind of ship upright. 438 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's sort of the explanation for why 439 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: you have rocky planets close in. And then in the 440 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: outer planets it's colder, and so instead of having liquid water, 441 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: you have ice, and then that ice helps the core 442 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: of the planet's form. You're like, you know, how does 443 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: the planet form? Anyway, you have the initial sort of 444 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: disk of stuff from that formed the whole Solar System, 445 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: and some of it is spinning and so it doesn't 446 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: fall into the star. And then the outer reaches, it's 447 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: cold enough that you have ice, and that helps accumulate 448 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: the gravity very slowly gather the stuff together. Because you 449 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: have ice out there, it can sort of add ice 450 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: to your basic planet core and they can get big 451 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: enough to suck up all the gas and the hydrogen 452 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: and the helium. Because remember hydrogen and helium is very light, 453 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: which means it's hard to hold on to. You need 454 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: a huge gravitational mass to attract that. So to make 455 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: a gas giant, you have to form a really big 456 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: core of some metals and some ice in order to 457 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: pull in the rest of the gas. And that can 458 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: only happen in the outer reaches of the solar system, 459 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: where you have ice. And so the reason you get 460 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: gas giants and the outer solar system is because that's 461 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: where the gas is and because that's where the ice 462 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: is to help pull those light gases together into a 463 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: gas giant. At least, that's our theory, and that's based 464 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: on just what we've observed. 465 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 4: All right, So that explains why our solar system looks 466 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 4: the way it does, why it's like rocky in the 467 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 4: middle and then gassy out there in the edges of it. 468 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 4: And so that's kind of the picture of our solar system. 469 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 4: We have a yellow sun, some rocky planets, some asteroids, 470 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 4: and then giant gas balls swirling around the edges of. 471 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: It, precisely. And remember, we've been aware of this for 472 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: decades and decades and decades, and so we had a 473 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: long time to cook up this model based on just 474 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: this one solar system. It's become very fine tuned and 475 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: very sort of baroque to explain exactly what we're seeing. 476 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: And so now comes the test. Now we get to 477 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: apply it to other solar systems and see if it 478 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: also explains what we see out there. 479 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, so let's get into what other solar 480 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 4: systems look like. 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Our star is something we call a yellow dwarf. 545 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: And it turns out that even our kind of star 546 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: is unusual. Only like ten percent of the stars in 547 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: our galaxy are yellow dwarfs. The rest are something else 548 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: we call a red dwarf. 549 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 4: And these names have to do with not just like 550 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 4: the size of the Sun, but also how old the 551 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 4: Sun is, right. 552 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, they tell you something about where the Sun is 553 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: in its life cycle. And there's lots of different sort 554 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: of paths that a sun can take depending on how 555 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: much mass it started with, And we had a whole 556 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: episode about stellar evolution, and based on the size that 557 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: the Sun started with, they will follow a certain path, 558 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: and so the name of the star tells you sort 559 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: of which path it's on and sort of how far 560 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: along that path is. But most of the stars in 561 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: our galaxy are red dwarfs, which mean that they're older 562 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: than our sun and they're colder and they're smaller. So 563 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: if you want as much heat that we as we 564 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 1: feel on Earth, you'd have to be closer to the 565 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: star than you would be to ours. 566 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,719 Speaker 4: So our sun is kind of as big for compared 567 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 4: to other stars in the universe. And it's also kind 568 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 4: of young, right, like I think we're sort of like 569 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 4: in the teenage years of our hunt. 570 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: It's big compared to most of the stars in the galaxy. 571 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: Of course, there are other stars out there that totally dwarfit. 572 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: There are these huge giants out there that are fantastically 573 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: bigger than our star, but they're unusual. Most of the 574 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: stars in the galaxy are smaller and colder and older 575 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: than ours. And ours is also different in another really 576 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: fascinating way, in that it's by itself. Our star doesn't 577 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: have a companion star. It's not like there's another star orbiting. 578 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: It turns out most stars actually formed together to like 579 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: a pair of stars. 580 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 4: Right, So our son is all alone, or as Emma 581 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 4: Watson would sage, where our son is self partnered. 582 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, our star is like the runaway teenage star. It's 583 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: all by itself in this lonely universe. 584 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 4: Of other stars in the universe are totally different than 585 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 4: our Sun. 586 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so right there. If you want to extrapolate 587 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: from our solar system to others, you have to be 588 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: careful because most solar systems have a very different kind 589 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: of star. And that doesn't mean it's going to be 590 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: a completely different solar system or that it's impossible to 591 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 1: live there, but it means if you want the same 592 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: amount of heat, for example, you have to be closer up. 593 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: So the Goldilocks zone for these stars is smaller than 594 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: it is for our star. 595 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 4: The sun is colder, then you need to be closer 596 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 4: to it to be to have any life as we 597 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 4: know it here on Earth. 598 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, to have liquid water on the surface, for example, 599 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: which is basically what you need to have life we 600 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: think life as we've defined it. Right, then you need 601 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: to be close enough to the star to get enough radiation, 602 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: and that would be closer to those smaller, colder stars 603 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: than to ours. 604 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 4: And so ninety percent of stars are different out there, 605 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 4: which means that if you are in another planet, in 606 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 4: another solar system, you know ninety percent of the time, 607 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 4: it's not going to look like it looks like here. 608 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 4: It's not going to look like a bright yellow, you know. 609 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: Sun, Yeah, and be a little redder and a little colder. 610 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 4: It sounds like maybe in a lot of or most 611 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 4: solar systems out there, it would look like in Star 612 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 4: Wars where they see two sons in the horizon. 613 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, most of them have companions, and those aren't necessarily 614 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: super close together. Sometimes the companions can be kind of 615 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: far apart. But yeah, most stars have another star pretty 616 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,719 Speaker 1: close by and they're orbiting each other. But ours is 617 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: by itself, and that's more unusual than typical. So already 618 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: our star is unusual in two ways, and that it's 619 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: by itself, and that it's a yellow dwarf. 620 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 4: So already our solar system is pretty odd compared to 621 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 4: the universe. Well, now let's talk about the Earth. Is 622 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 4: a planet like Planet Earth, the weird to have in 623 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 4: a solar system out there? Or is it pretty common? 624 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,479 Speaker 1: It turns out that the most common planet to have 625 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: in one of these solar systems is not the Earth. 626 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: It's something called a super Earth. It's a rocky planet 627 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: that's like ten or fifteen times bigger than the Earth. 628 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: And they categorize these planets in other solar systems by 629 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: giving them names relative to our planets like define the 630 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: various categories, So like you have an Earth planet or 631 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: a super Earth up till you know, ten or fifteen 632 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,719 Speaker 1: times the Earth. Anything bigger than that, they call it 633 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: like a mini Neptune. So that's the names of these categories. 634 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: And most solar systems have a super Earth. It's the 635 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: most common planet out there. Now, you'll notice we don't 636 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: have a super Earth. There's no planet in our solar 637 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: system that's a rocky planet that's like ten times the 638 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: size of Earth. 639 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 4: Is Earth the biggest rocky planet in our solar system? 640 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Earth and Venus. Venus is almost as big 641 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: as the Earth. Mars and Mercury are much smaller, and 642 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: so the Earth is the biggest rocky planet in our 643 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: solar system. But most solar systems you would find one 644 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: that's like ten or fifteen times. 645 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 4: Bigger, bigger in terms of like the radius or like 646 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 4: the you know, the weight of it. 647 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, ten times the mass, which doesn't quite correspond to 648 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: ten times the radius because you know, there's some nonlinear 649 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: effects there, but it's a lot more stuff, right, So 650 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: ten times as many rocks came together to form a planet, 651 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: and so we don't really know what that means. This 652 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: is something we've only recently figured out. We don't know 653 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: if that means that the distribution of rocks in our 654 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: solar system was different when it formed, or maybe there 655 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: was a super big planet but it got broken up. 656 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: We don't really know. Is this just random that we 657 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: got unlucky, or is there some important reason for why 658 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: our solar system looks different in this important way. 659 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 4: We just don't know, So that if there are scientists 660 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 4: on those other earths, they would probably say that we 661 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 4: live in mini Earth. 662 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, they would say, hey, look at this weird solar 663 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: system we found. It has only many rocky planets. 664 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 4: How cute. Look at those tiny little planets, Baby Earth's 665 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,959 Speaker 4: look at those tiny little people with tiny heads. Not 666 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 4: only is our solar system weird in that our Sun 667 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 4: is weird, but also our Earth is really weird. So 668 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 4: most earths out there are much much bigger. 669 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and some solar systems we found out there just 670 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: have more planets sort of tucked in close to the Sun. 671 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: Like we found this one solar system it's called the 672 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: Trackapist System. It has seven planets within six million miles 673 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: of their Sun. I remember, the Earth is like ninety 674 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: million miles from our Sun. So they have seven planets 675 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: tucked in like around the distance that mercury is. 676 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 4: Wow, just spinning around like crazy. 677 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just spinning around like crazy. So most of 678 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: the solar systems we've seen have more planets close to 679 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: the Sun than ours. Now, this is hard to know. 680 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: It might be that there's a bias here because it's 681 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: harder to see planets that are far from the Sun 682 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: because the way we observe them, remember, is we see 683 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: planets like passing in front of the Sun, and if 684 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: a planet is going around the Sun every one hundred years, 685 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: it just doesn't pass in front of the Sun is often. 686 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: So it's easier for us to see planets that are 687 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: close to their Sun. So it might be that there's 688 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: a bias there that we're finding the weird ones first. 689 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: But they don't think so. They think they've counted for 690 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: that effect and they think it's still real that the 691 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: average solar system out there has more planets close to 692 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: the Sun than ours. 693 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 4: Interesting, so the average solar system out there is busier. 694 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, especially close in. 695 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 4: Like more I guess more concentrated. 696 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a traffic jam every day. All day. 697 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 4: For the for eternity literally. 698 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. But on the other hand, it means it's not 699 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: as hard to get from planet to planet like your 700 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: neighboring planet is more like a neighbor, you know, you 701 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: could jump from planet to planet. It wouldn't take hundreds 702 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: of days like it would take for us to get 703 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: from Earth to Mars. You could get to the next 704 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: planet in you know, just a few days. 705 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 4: Right, and maybe even more dangerous to write, because all 706 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 4: those planets that close together, they some of them could 707 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 4: crash into each other, right. 708 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they can also affect each other's orbits. 709 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 4: Right. 710 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: Planets are big, and remember these planets are not tiny things, 711 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: and so they can tweak each other's orbits. There's lots 712 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: more weird gravitational interactions, and we've also seen that we've 713 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: seen that a lot of these solar systems have weird orbits. 714 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: Like in our Solar system, things are very neatly laid out, 715 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: like the planets are sort of equally spaced, and everything 716 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: is separated, and everything is mostly flat in a single 717 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: plane and pretty circular, though not completely. But other solar systems, 718 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: the orbits we're seeing are really eccentric. They're much less 719 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: circular some of them. Like there's one, for example, I 720 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: looked up and it goes from being just a few 721 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: million miles of it's from its star on one side 722 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: to two hundred million miles on the other, so like 723 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: it's super close and then whizzes out really far away. 724 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 4: Right, Because orbits can be not just circular or oval shape, 725 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 4: they can also be kind of off center from the Sun, 726 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 4: kind of like comets have these weird elliptical orbits that 727 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 4: are like go really far out and then come back 728 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 4: in really close. 729 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And comets don't have to be sort of 730 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: on the plane of the planets. And what we're seeing 731 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: is that other solar systems don't always have the same 732 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: orderly plane that the planets are all on different planes. 733 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: And we don't know what that means. We don't know, 734 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: like is that typical and our solar system is just 735 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: kind of weirdly randomly well ordered, or maybe something happened 736 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 1: in those solar systems there were some collisions because everything 737 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 1: was so crowded in, and they got ugged and thrown 738 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: off into weird orbits. We just don't know. 739 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 4: I feel like we're getting more and more into the 740 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 4: idea that maybe our Solar system is really weird. It's like, 741 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 4: we have a weird Sun and a weird Earth, and 742 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 4: a weird, weird arrangement of planets and a weird orbit. 743 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 4: It's like, it's just. 744 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and we're like that kid that went to 745 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: school for the first time and discovered that his family 746 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: is really really weird. Nobody else eats peanut butter and 747 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: pickle sandwiches for lunch and dresses in that weird way 748 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: or whatever. And the other thing that I find really 749 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: fascinating is that, you know, in our Solar system we 750 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: have all the gas giants on the outside. We thought 751 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: we had an explanation for that, that the gas was 752 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: blown out by the solar wind. But in other solar 753 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: systems we find in these planets we call hot jupiters, 754 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,479 Speaker 1: big gas giants that are close to their stars, close 755 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: enough to be hot. 756 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 4: Right, they're trending. 757 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: Exactly, they're viral jupiters. No, But for example, there's a 758 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: system I won't pronounce the name because it's just letters 759 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: and numbers, but there's a Jupiter sized planet that's so 760 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: close to its star it orbits every two days. 761 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 4: What it's whipping around the Sun every two days. 762 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's the size of Jupiter, And so people wonder, like, 763 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: how did this planet form. There's not enough gas in 764 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: our understanding in the center of the Solar system to 765 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: form a gas giant. The gas either fell into the 766 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: Sun to form the star or got blown out by 767 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: that star into the outer reaches of those solar systems. 768 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,959 Speaker 1: So how do you make a hot Jupiter If. 769 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 4: It's just a cloud of gas. Wouldn't it just kind of, 770 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 4: you know, whipping around that fast, wouldn't it just kind 771 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 4: of break apart or dissolve or smear? But no, it's 772 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 4: somehow spinning around every two days. 773 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe it has a really strong magnetic field 774 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: which helps protect it from the solar radiation and the 775 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: solar wind from blowing it apart. We don't know. And 776 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: one idea is that maybe it did form on the 777 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: outer reaches of that solar system, but then sort of 778 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: moved up, like bumped the other planets out of the 779 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: way to get closer to the Sun. This could happen, right, 780 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: Planets can change orders. 781 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 4: Wow, So you're basically saying that, like our nice, orderly 782 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 4: Solar system with the rocky planets first, and our gas 783 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 4: giants out there is maybe not even typical either, Like 784 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 4: that sort of arrangement. You can have gas giants close 785 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 4: to the Sun and you could probably have rocky planets 786 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:15,479 Speaker 4: out there. 787 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have seen hot Jupiters. We've seen solar systems 788 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: with gas giants close to the Sun, and in some 789 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: of these it does look like maybe they did migrate 790 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: in from the outside, because we don't see like a 791 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: lot of other inner planets nearby. What would happen if Jupiter, 792 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: for example, moved in and tried to take over Venus's orbit. Well, 793 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: Earth and Mars and Venus and Mercury, we were probably 794 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: a tossed out of the Solar system by Jupiter's gravity, 795 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 1: and that's what we see in these solar systems with 796 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: a hot Jupiter. We don't see a lot of other 797 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: inner planets, so we think maybe, you know, the big 798 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: gas giant bully came in and cleared out the playground, 799 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:49,919 Speaker 1: all right. 800 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 4: So yeah, there's a lot of ways in which our 801 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 4: Solar system is weird, right in terms of the Sun, 802 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,399 Speaker 4: the Earth, and the gas giants. And so now let's 803 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,240 Speaker 4: talk about some of the ideas that scientists have about 804 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 4: whether solar systems all formed the same way, or whether 805 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 4: are somehow made it into this special configuration for a 806 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,720 Speaker 4: special reason. First, let's take a quick break. 807 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: When you pop a piece of cheese into your mouth 808 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,320 Speaker 1: or enjoy a rich spoonful of Greek yogurt, you're probably 809 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: not thinking about the environmental impact of each and every bite. 810 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: But the people in the dairy industry are. 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What's 858 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 4: the sort of prevailing theory about how solar systems are made? 859 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, So the theory we had for a long time 860 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: before we saw all these other solar systems, we call 861 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: that the core accretion theory, and it basically says you 862 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: start from a big rotating blob of gas and dust 863 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: and some ice, and the star forms and the rest 864 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,720 Speaker 1: of it you get you accrete the cores of these planets. 865 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: That just means that like the biggest rock that happens 866 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: to be out there gathers up other rocks around it, 867 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: and they form and they gather more stuff until you 868 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,399 Speaker 1: get stuff big enough stuff to make a planet. That's 869 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: how we explain how you get Jupiter. For example, You 870 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: gathered together a bunch of rocks and ice, and that 871 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: sucks up all the gas. 872 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 4: Also, stuff was just floating around and then they just 873 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 4: because of gravity, just formed into planets. Yeah, like condensation almost. 874 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: And one thing that people have always wondered about that 875 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: theory that they didn't really like is that it takes 876 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: a long time. I mean, gravity is really weak, and 877 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about when you start, you're tugging on really 878 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: small bits, you know, bits of gas and bits of 879 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 1: dust and tiny little pebbles. So it's going to take 880 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: a long time to make Jupiter out of bits of sand, right, 881 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: And they worry that it takes so long to form 882 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,720 Speaker 1: the core this you know, the dust and the ice 883 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: that by then all the gas will just have floated 884 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 1: away or been blown away by the solar wind. So 885 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: there's always been this bit of tension, like how do 886 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: you get these planets to form soon enough that they 887 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: can gather any of that less leftover gas. So that's 888 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: the old idea and the sort of the concerns people 889 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,439 Speaker 1: have with it. And now that we've seen these other 890 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: solar systems, they're wondering, well, maybe we need new ideas. 891 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,800 Speaker 1: And so there is a new idea on the block. 892 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,879 Speaker 4: Oh, I see, because this idea that solar systems kind 893 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,800 Speaker 4: of form slowly might explain may not even explain ours. 894 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,800 Speaker 4: But looking at other solar systems, we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. 895 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 4: We don't really have a good idea about how solar 896 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 4: systems form because whatever we come up with has to 897 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,320 Speaker 4: work for all of these other solar systems. 898 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know you need inspiration in science. And 899 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: so this old idea was inspired by this one example. Well, 900 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,440 Speaker 1: now that we've seen these other examples, it sort of 901 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 1: stretches us in the right way to come up with 902 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: new ideas for how you could explain these examples. And 903 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 1: so one of these new ideas is called the disk 904 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: instability model. That idea is basically that when the Solar 905 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: System formed, you have this disc, but it wasn't like 906 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,399 Speaker 1: a nice, calm, smooth disc that was slowly formed from 907 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 1: the rotating blob, but that there was still a lot 908 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: of sort of stuff going on. There's a lot of 909 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: action there, and that these instabilities, this action inside the 910 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: disc might be a way to get these planets to 911 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: form sooner and also for them to form closer to 912 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 1: their stars. 913 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 4: Way, what do you mean disk instability? Like there's something 914 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,760 Speaker 4: extra special going on that makes Jupiters and weird planets 915 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 4: like that. 916 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 9: Yeah. 917 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,279 Speaker 1: If the model you have in your head is sort 918 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: of like a giant, stately cloud which is slowly rotating 919 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,399 Speaker 1: and then gradually gathering together into a flat disc, that's 920 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: the core accretion model. It assumes that everything is sort 921 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: of very smoothly flowing. But if instead it's a bit 922 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,879 Speaker 1: more turbulent, if there's a little bit more chaos in there, 923 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's more like a storm and it's being 924 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,839 Speaker 1: squeezed by gravity a little bit, but there's still sort 925 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,319 Speaker 1: of stuff going on inside of it. That stuff, that 926 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: energy can be used to sort of collide stuff together 927 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: and make and from those instabilities form gravitational cores that 928 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: can gather stuff more rapidly. 929 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,959 Speaker 4: Oh, and that would explain our solar systems or sort 930 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 4: of all solar systems. 931 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: Well, it's not a very popular model yet and it's 932 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: very fresh, but it might explain how our solar system 933 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 1: got gas giants because it unless you form planets more rapidly. 934 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: And it also might explain how you were able to 935 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 1: form gas giants close to the star, because you could 936 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,920 Speaker 1: form them quickly enough that you could form them before 937 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 1: all the gas was blown away by the Sun. But 938 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: still it's a very fresh model and it hasn't gained 939 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:44,799 Speaker 1: wide acceptance yet, so. 940 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,719 Speaker 4: It could be like, maybe it's just like the way 941 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 4: solar systems form is just this very chaotic process, and 942 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,920 Speaker 4: sometimes you get solar systems like ours, and sometimes you 943 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 4: get totally different solar systems. 944 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, precisely. And the other idea is about planetary migration. 945 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,319 Speaker 1: People think that maybe it's not unusual for planets to 946 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 1: sort of tug each other out of orbit and switch spots, 947 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,439 Speaker 1: you know, to take each other's seats, And there's even 948 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 1: the idea that it could have happened in our solar system. 949 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,400 Speaker 1: People think that maybe Yeah, people think that maybe Saturn 950 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: and Jupiter used to have an opposite order, and there 951 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 1: was another planet out there, a big ice giant, and 952 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,360 Speaker 1: the three of them are sort of in this chaotic 953 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,320 Speaker 1: bumping of each other, and they switched Saturn in, Jupiter 954 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: switched and tossed the other planet sort of out to 955 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,840 Speaker 1: the far reaches of the Solar System. And we just 956 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: did a whole episode about planet nine that could explain 957 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: like why planet nine is so far out there. 958 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 4: So, yeah, you're saying that even if you form a 959 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 4: solar system, it can still change. You can still switch 960 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,799 Speaker 4: it around and change the structure of it, even when 961 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 4: it's sort of stable and floating along. 962 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that means something interesting for our Solar System. 963 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 1: It could be in the future if you went away 964 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: on a spaceship for a billion years and came back, 965 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,240 Speaker 1: that you could come back and find the Solar System 966 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,839 Speaker 1: looking quite different. Right right, Jupiter might have moved in 967 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,839 Speaker 1: on Mercury's territory and become hot and tossed out all 968 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 1: the other planets. We just don't know. We don't know 969 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: if this configuration is stable on billions year time scales. 970 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 4: That would be pretty cool. If you left for a 971 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 4: few million years and then came back and you're like, 972 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 4: what happened to my house? Remodeled? 973 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,919 Speaker 1: Just like everybody who goes away to college and comes 974 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,600 Speaker 1: back up to Thanksgiving and like, hey, everything looks different. 975 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,919 Speaker 4: You turned my plan into a workout room. All right, Well, 976 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,960 Speaker 4: it sounds like our solar system is not It is weird, 977 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 4: that's the answer to today's question. It is kind of 978 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,879 Speaker 4: weird in that, you know, our Sun is single and 979 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:43,600 Speaker 4: hot and young, and we apparently live on a mini earth. 980 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:44,879 Speaker 1: A not super earth. 981 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,880 Speaker 4: And it's also weird that we have all of our 982 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,359 Speaker 4: gas giants out there floating out there far away from 983 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,719 Speaker 4: the Sun. And so it is just sounds like it 984 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 4: is sort of a special case our solar system, Like 985 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,440 Speaker 4: if we go to other solar systems, we should be 986 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,320 Speaker 4: prepared to see things that are very different. 987 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm so glad that that's the answer. It 988 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,000 Speaker 1: would be so boring if we discovered every solar system 989 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,360 Speaker 1: looked like ours, and that the idea we have for 990 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: how the solar system formed was pretty much bang on. 991 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,600 Speaker 1: It's exactly what you hope for in science that once 992 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,320 Speaker 1: you open up new eyeballs or build bigger eyeballs that 993 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 1: you see, surprises that you learn, things that things that 994 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 1: shake up your ideas for how our home and our 995 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,359 Speaker 1: solar system have been made. And maybe it gives us 996 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 1: a bit of a special appreciation for this particular little 997 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: cute mini earth we find ourselves on. 998 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe you'll go to another solar system and everybody 999 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,279 Speaker 4: will have two PhDs. 1000 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: She'd be like, what the Bruce Banner solar system? 1001 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,880 Speaker 4: All right, Well, we hope you the next time you 1002 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,840 Speaker 4: think about your planet or the solar system we're in, 1003 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,319 Speaker 4: you sort of think about how special it is and 1004 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,120 Speaker 4: how weird it is, and how unique it is out 1005 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 4: there in the universe. 1006 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,799 Speaker 1: And in five years or twenty years or fifty years, 1007 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 1: we could find even more weird, surprising solar systems out 1008 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 1: there that challenge our very concept of what. 1009 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,600 Speaker 4: The universe looks like. 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