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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge, presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink

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Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing and it is time Garrett to

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Speaker 1: make our final twenty twenty five predictions. We've talked about

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Speaker 1: it all off season, you know, we've we've thrown out

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Speaker 1: some I think this could happen. I think that could

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Speaker 1: have the pen, the paper time, the laminadum. What do

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Speaker 1: you think is gonna happen this season for the Ravens? Garrett, And, uh,

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Speaker 1: we're only two days away now, so you know there's

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Speaker 1: no change in it from here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this is really bragging rights. This is the

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Speaker 2: bragging rights episode. You go out on the record, go

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Speaker 2: out on a limb, make our predictions. And the way

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Speaker 2: this usually works is that over the course of the

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Speaker 2: entire year, when something happens in a game that seems

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Speaker 2: like it's gonna we're one of us is going to

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Speaker 2: be correct. Typically me, well, the other nut you know,

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Speaker 2: elbows the other in the press box and says, I

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Speaker 2: told you, I told yourself. This is I thought of

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Speaker 2: so episode. I told you so episode. We have brag

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Speaker 2: rights all throughout the season. Now that the one thing

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Speaker 2: is like a lot of these are season long, So

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Speaker 2: it's not like you necessarily get instant gratification. We're not

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Speaker 2: going to find out.

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Speaker 1: Well, but every time, like your guy does something great,

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Speaker 1: then you elbowed the other guy in your life.

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Speaker 2: Say, I told you exactly now, you have never elbowed

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Speaker 2: me in a press box. To indicate that your prediction.

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Speaker 1: Bruises from all the elbowing that.

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Speaker 2: I did, I'm not sure this ever happened.

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Speaker 1: Look, I went back and listened to last year's prediction

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Speaker 1: of the episode, and I hit every single one. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: until you listen to the episode back and tell me

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong, then I'm right.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, that's definitely not the case. There's no

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Speaker 2: way even came close on that one. But this year,

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Speaker 2: this year, I feel like we're gonna be able to

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Speaker 2: deliver on some Uh. I actually think we're going to

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Speaker 2: be pretty aligned on a number of these things, uh

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Speaker 2: going into this this year. But I think the one

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Speaker 2: thing just to kind of set the table going into this.

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Speaker 2: It's easy when you're talking about things like right now.

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Speaker 2: I always make this analogy like going into the draft,

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Speaker 2: Like a week before the draft and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: there's fifty guys who are first round picks because everyone

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Speaker 2: so everyone's rising up the board, everyone's trying to make

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Speaker 2: that claim that this player is going to go in

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Speaker 2: the first round or go higher than expected. Of course,

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Speaker 2: there's not actually fifty first round picks. So you compare

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Speaker 2: it to this episode, and it's easy to be like,

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Speaker 2: this guy's going over one thousand yards. Lamar is passing

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Speaker 2: for over four thousand yards. All of a sudden, you've

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Speaker 2: got like ten thousand yards of offense if you started

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Speaker 2: making bold predictions. So with that said, even though both

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Speaker 2: of us expect the scene to be really good, we're

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Speaker 2: trying to keep it. We're trying to keep it realistic,

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Speaker 2: not trying to go completely out of bounds with these predictions.

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Speaker 2: So let's start with Lamar. I mean, that's where you

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Speaker 2: start the conversation with this team coming off a historically

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Speaker 2: good season last year. So four thousand is often the

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Speaker 2: number that gets thrown out passing yards for him and

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Speaker 2: for quarterbacks in general. Last year, just as a refresher,

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Speaker 2: four one seventy two passing yards, forty one passing touchdowns,

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Speaker 2: know how he didn't win MVP with those numbers, but

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Speaker 2: that's a different discussion for a different day. So four

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Speaker 2: thousand passing yards, are you going over or under that mark?

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Speaker 1: I'm going over, And I think that he tops last

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Speaker 1: year's I think he sets a new career high in

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Speaker 1: adding weapons around him, brought in DeAndre Hopkins, who I

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Speaker 1: think adds a different element to this offense, gives Lamar

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Speaker 1: guy outside the numbers, And so I think that Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson also just continues to grow as a passer. He

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Speaker 1: continues to grow in year three in Toddmunkin's offense. I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, Lamar always says, whenever you press him for

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Speaker 1: where what are you focusing on? What are you trying

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Speaker 1: to improve this season? He always says everything, And I

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Speaker 1: believe that. I think he has improved on everything. And

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Speaker 1: I think that he here's a guy who's really still

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Speaker 2: I could totally see him top on that number, just

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Speaker 2: that twenty twenty three thirty six hundred passing yards. Year

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Speaker 2: before that injury shortened season twenty two hundred, twenty eight hundred,

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Speaker 1: I don't think last year was an anomaly. That's basically

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Speaker 1: what you're talking about. I don't think that. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's gonna when we look back on Lamar Jackson's

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Speaker 2: I'm also going over four thousand pass yards for him.

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Speaker 2: I think that. I just think that, like this offense

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Speaker 2: under Todd Monkin, with the weapons that are in place here,

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Speaker 2: with the three receivers, with the tight ends, with Lamar's

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Speaker 2: through the air. I just think that's the way that

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Speaker 2: in that regard. Certainly still going to have a dominant

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Speaker 2: Derrick Henry in the backfield. But yeah, I'm going over

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Speaker 2: four thousand for Lamar through the air, and then like

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Speaker 2: nine hundred and fifteen yards on the ground, one thousand

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Speaker 2: is the number that we'll talk about, over under a thousand.

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Speaker 2: What's your take? Is he getting over a thousand this

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think that he is. You know, I

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Speaker 1: think that it's been a minute since he's run for

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Speaker 1: so you know, last year he averaged six point six

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Speaker 1: when I watch him in practice, he's just as fast

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Speaker 1: so Lamar Now, of course he's going to have some

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Speaker 1: And so no, I don't think that he hits a thousand,

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Speaker 1: but at nine fifteen last year, he also wasn't far

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that I'm also going under like he's

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Speaker 2: hit a thousand twice in his career of twenty nineteen

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, those two seasons were his highest from a

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Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen he had one hundred and seventy six

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Speaker 2: him rushing for one hundred and seventy five times, we're

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Speaker 2: not going to see that. I think that this, especially

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Speaker 2: these weapons in the passing game. I do think that

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Speaker 2: something we saw from him last year he broke some

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Speaker 2: I think that like Houston, yeah, like that ability to

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Speaker 2: I think he's gonna go under one thousand, but I don't.

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Speaker 2: I like, he's never We're never gonna be in a

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Speaker 2: what makes him so special.

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Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is we're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: continue to set the line, the over underline of a thousand, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because you know, he's just he's still a great runner,

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Speaker 2: so we made the predictions on passing and rushing, both

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Speaker 2: of us over four thousand, under one thousand rushing. What's

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Speaker 2: your expectation for what his stat line looks like this year?

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Speaker 1: I mean last year was so ridiculous. I honestly, as

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Speaker 1: much as I got done saying like, I think that

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson keeps getting better and better, putting up those

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Speaker 1: so when I look at forty one touchdowns that was

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know what, I'm going forty two oh

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Speaker 1: more touchdowns. I'm going I'm going forty two. But I

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Speaker 1: also think that there could be an increase in interceptions.

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Speaker 1: Last year he only had four. Previous two years, he

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Speaker 1: thirteen and twenty twenty one. I think that four interceptions

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Speaker 1: think that that was like statistically, like, holy cow, forty

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Speaker 1: one touchdowns to four picks was absurd. I think that

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Speaker 1: there's a decent chance that he he throws more picks.

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Speaker 1: But I'll give him more touchdowns because think about all

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Speaker 1: the touchdowns Sarah Henry scored on the goal line. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if a couple of those go to Lamar, hey we're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, okay, so what about yards? How many yards

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Speaker 1: I'm going forty two five. I think he's over last year.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so again, forty one seventy two last year, four

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Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty is what you're predicting. I'm going

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Speaker 2: forty two hundred, forty two hundred passing yards. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to say thirty five touchdowns through the air, and just

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Speaker 2: is like just to kind of explain a little bit

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Speaker 2: more here, in twenty twenty three, he was the MVP.

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Speaker 2: He had thirty six hundred passing yards LA that season

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Speaker 2: with twenty four passing touchdowns, So like he.

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Speaker 1: Should have been the MVP last year. It's just right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in postros, the more you look at these numbers,

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Speaker 2: In the world so like, but he had so we

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Speaker 2: had twenty four passing touchdowns that season with seven interceptions.

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Speaker 2: Like his stats were drastically improved in twenty four compared

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Speaker 2: to where they were in twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: But like so I think he's somewhere in the middle

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Speaker 2: between those two seasons, which is still an MVP caliber

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Speaker 2: season even if they're not not as gaudy as they

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Speaker 2: were last year. And then on the ground, I think

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Speaker 2: he's still highly productive. I think eight hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: five rushing yards five touchdowns is what I'm predicting for

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Speaker 2: the ground as he had last SEA last season, but

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Speaker 2: an increase in touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you'll go on the ground I'll go eight fifty,

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Speaker 1: a little bit above you trying to just one up

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Speaker 1: me on every I'm playing prices right here. Okay, you said,

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Speaker 1: would you say eight twenty five?

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm not gonna diminish like two thousand yards like

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Speaker 2: And I think that he's, as you mentioned, like he's

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Speaker 1: Let's just do that.

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, it wasn't surprising if somebody, somebody

435
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 1: drops a little bit, because de Hop's gonna gobble up.

436
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 1: I think significantly more than two hundred and thirty one yards.

437
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean I see him in like the five hundred

438
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 1: yard range probably, Yeah. So, and I think that Rashad

439
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 1: Bateman is a receiver that just continues to grow too,

440
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 1: you know. And he had forty five catches for seven

441
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 1: to fifty six last year, nine touchdowns. Bait was really

442
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 1: productive in the end zone. So it'll be interesting to

443
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 1: see how it all shakes out. But I agree with you.

444
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm going over a thousand yards again for Zay Flowers.

445
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm over on that too, but close. And so

446
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 2: then the question here is who leads a team of touchdowns.

447
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 2: Mark Andrews did a last year eleven touchdowns. Are you

448
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 2: going with Mark? Are you going with someone else? What's

449
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 2: your take on touchdowns?

450
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 1: I'm going with Mark. I think that he's just so

451
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 1: good in the red zone. The big dog, the big

452
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:06,239
Speaker 1: dog markings just eaten in that end zone, and so

453
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: Lamar just trusts him so much. It's a it's an

454
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 1: area where it really suits Mark's game because A He's

455
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: just got such a great feel for getting open in

456
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: tight coverage zone coverage, finding the soft spot, finding Lamar

457
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: Jackson's eyes. Those two can just are telepathic with each other.

458
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 2: Uh.

459
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: And then of course he can go up and just

460
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:33,120
Speaker 1: head top people and just body people. So I think

461
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: he's just such a great weapon in the red zone

462
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 1: and thus he will. Plus we'll see how much time

463
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 1: Isaiah likely misses, if any, but it certainly looks like

464
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna miss some, so we'll see, you know, while

465
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: Isaiah is out, Mark is the one A and B

466
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: and so I think Mark Andrews leads this team.

467
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: Again, I was back and forth on this one. Mark Andrews,

468
00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 2: throughout his career has been a pretty safe pick a

469
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 2: guy to lead this team in touchdowns.

470
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Speaker 1: He's the career all time Ravens franchise leader.

471
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, like so pretty good. Starting to get a bit

472
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 2: just safe, bet, you know, I'll take the chalk on that.

473
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 2: But I'm actually gonna go with Shot Bateman, who I'm

474
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 2: gonna differentiate a little bit here. Bateman had a nine

475
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: touchdowns last season. I think he's really I mean, he's

476
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: a really smooth route runner, but I think he's He's

477
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 2: proven to be really effective in that part of the

478
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 2: field and there's a lot of traffic that gets Mark

479
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: Andrews like he he brings a lot of attention with him,

480
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 2: and that's one of the things I, to be honest,

481
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 2: I think is so impressive about Mark is like he's

482
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 2: been especially earlier in his career, he was like the

483
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 2: main receiving target that drew a lot of eyes and

484
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 2: he still was highly productive. I still think in that

485
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: part of the field, Mark gets a lot of attention

486
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Speaker 2: and I think that helps open things up on the edges.

487
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Speaker 2: So and Bateman is just he's really smooth in that

488
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 2: part of the field. He can go up and get

489
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: the ball if need be, and that's where he I

490
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Speaker 2: think is making his big impact. So I'm gonna go

491
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go double digit ten touchdowns this year for

492
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Speaker 2: a shot Bateman.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, that'd be a big year last year.

494
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he tops last year by one and leads a

495
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 2: team in touchdowns.

496
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I think of Bait as really the Ravens'

497
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: best like deep threat, big play kind of threat and

498
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: so sure that can certainly leads the touchdown.

499
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 2: Just catch the deep balls in the end zone. Yeah,

500
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 2: that works.

501
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 1: Speaking of Happy Gilmore, it's like, well I just put

502
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: it in the green and wat shot every time like

503
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Speaker 1: that that was and so but like it's it's just

504
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: curious to me why Bait has had so much more

505
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: touchdown production, or at least last year than Za had

506
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: twice as many touchdowns. You know, I think like Za

507
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: could be a very good good receiver in the red zone.

508
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: Also just because he can create such quick separation. He

509
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: just has changed the direction ability. Ability has change directions

510
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: on a dime oftentimes when there's tight throwing windows. That

511
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: makes a huge difference. And uh so, I don't know,

512
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: it's just curious, Like it wouldn't It also would not

513
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: shock me. Now, Zay's not of the biggest guy, so

514
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: when we talk about headtopping people, that's not Zay's game.

515
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: But like it also would not shock me if those

516
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: touchdown numbers like flipped, Like, is there a world where

517
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: Jay Flowers that has nine and Bait has four?

518
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 2: Well, no, I predict a ten.

519
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: Well, that's correct. Now your world, there's in your world

520
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: that doesn't exist. Yeah, But I don't think that's crazy.

521
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 2: I think I look to be honest, touchdowns can be

522
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: a little bit I don't want to say fluky. That's

523
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 2: probably putting it too strong. But like those numbers, I

524
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: do think can there's a lot that goes into touchdowns.

525
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 2: It's a little bit like turnovers for a defense to

526
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: some degree, And so I think that, like you could

527
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: have a big increase for somebody else, But I just

528
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: think that, like I think that Zay's game is more

529
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: getting the ball in space, it gets more condensed down

530
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: there in the red zone. He has really shifties obviously,

531
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 2: so like he can he can get open in a

532
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: hurry in a phone booth, so like that would help him.

533
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: But I think that like when you have the bigger

534
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: targets Mark Bateman and Hopkins this year, I think those

535
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 2: guys are gonna be more of your red zone threats

536
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: than Zay. And so I think again, Bateman is my

537
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: pick to lead the team and receiving your receiving touchdowns

538
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: this year. So let's take a quick break. When we

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Speaker 2: come back, we'll dive into the defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 2: and of course we're gonna talk about the game coming

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Speaker 2: So defense, Uh, there's there's a lot of talent on

547
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Speaker 2: this defense. Let's start with who's gonna be getting after

548
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: the quarterback? This is an area where the Ravens had

549
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: two guys last year crack double digits in sacks. Kyle

550
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 2: van noy And and Dafeowa both hit that double digit number

551
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: for the first time in their careers. What's your expectation

552
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 2: for who leads the team in sacks this season?

553
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: This is a tough one, uh, because I think there's

554
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: really four contenders for this. But I'm gonna go I'm debating.

555
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: I'm debating here, debate making a mingering last second change.

556
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: No, Uh, did you do prep for it? Did you

557
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: have your guy? I did?

558
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking about changing it. You know what. No,

559
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: I'm not going to inger with the pick, I'm sticking

560
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: with Odafeway, sticking with Oway bulked up. You know, I

561
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: think in the best physical condition of his career, a

562
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: player that has continued to just grow and improve in

563
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: his game. I think Oway is the guy that's a

564
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 1: good pick.

565
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 2: I mean not away in a contract year or two.

566
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 2: This is a big opportunity for him to to earn

567
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: himself a contract. And he looks great and he had

568
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: a great camp, So like, no issue with that pick.

569
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: I'm I'm actually going with a guy who led the

570
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: team sacks a couple years ago, nom Be Madabike. Oh okay,

571
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: So I know a lot of times we talked about sacks.

572
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 2: We talked about the guy on the outside, Mattabik. Two

573
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 2: years ago he led the team. He had thirteen sacks

574
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: and twenty twenty three. Had a dip last year down

575
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: to six and a half. But I think that Matta

576
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: Bik still got after the quarterback last year. Didn't have

577
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 2: the same production from a sax standpoint, but did apply pressure.

578
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: He was coming off a year where he like he

579
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: got that contract. Certainly attracts a lot of attention in

580
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 2: the middle of that defense. And so but I just

581
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 2: I think that he's kind of overlooked a little bit

582
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 2: right now this offseason, I feel like going into this

583
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: year and I just think he's going to get back

584
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: to being a guy that can that can get double

585
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: digit sacks and be a force in the middle of

586
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: his defense.

587
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: I think the question for him is will you see

588
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: as many double teams as he did last year. I

589
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: expect that Travis Jones and his emergence will command more attention,

590
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: which would free up Nomdee some more. So that's how

591
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: I could see nomdi getting back to that kind of production.

592
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: And I think just naturally, you know, he's gonna he's

593
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: just gonna get more. I think last year was just

594
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: kind of a down finished, you know, he just didn't

595
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: finish this as higher rate. But I don't I don't

596
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: know that he's gonna lead the team.

597
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: All right, so you're going away Van Noyd loved the

598
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: team last year twelve and a half. I still think

599
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: Van Ney's gonna have a good season. I don't think that,

600
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: like I do not think that this defense, scheme wise

601
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: and with the collection of players, is going to be

602
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: a defense that has like one guy with eighteen sacks

603
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: and then everybody else kind of picking up the scratch, like,

604
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a bit of a shared situation.

605
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: And like, so Matta Bik is my pick. He could

606
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: lead with like ten and you gonna have a bunch

607
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: of guys six seven, eight nine. I was flirting with

608
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: the idea of going with Mike Green to lead the

609
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: team in sacks, to lead the team in sex. Okay,

610
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: I was flirting with that idea that that would be

611
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: a remarkable rookie season for him.

612
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: It would be. It would not shock me. And I

613
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: think that Tavius Robinson is gonna get more opportunities to

614
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: rush the passer. I mean, you look at the Ravens

615
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: Week one depth chart, it's Odafe Oway or Tavius Robinson.

616
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: So the Ravens look at both those guys as starters.

617
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: I think that Tavis is gonna get some more opportunities

618
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: to kind of show what he's got as a pass rusher.

619
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Speaker 1: And so it wouldn't shock me if we have three

620
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: or three I'm gonna say four guys, oh way, van Ney, uh,

621
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Speaker 1: Mike Green, Mike Green and who and Matt A.

622
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Speaker 2: Bk You also mest Tavius Robinson. Five guys had another.

623
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Speaker 1: One I don't know that Tavis is gonna get in

624
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: like contending for the running of most Saxon team. But

625
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: I think those other four guys are gonna be in

626
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: a race down the stretch for who takes it, like

627
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Speaker 1: and they're all right round eight and it's it's who's

628
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: gonna who's gonna have the most interesting? Look.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm excited about Green. I thought he had a

630
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: great summer, really flashed. I thought like as training camp continued,

631
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Speaker 2: look good in the preseason games. I think that like

632
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: there's a lot of excitement for him, justifiably. So I

633
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: also think that it's kind of similar, like as I

634
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: was talk about Derek Henry getting two thousand yards, that

635
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: number just gets thrown out there like it's nothing. You know,

636
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,959
Speaker 2: like if Mike Green had a rookie season with six sacks,

637
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: that's a great rookie season in a lot of ways.

638
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: But people are talking about him like leading the team

639
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: and being in the defensive Rookie of the Year conversation,

640
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: and like maybe those things happen, but like.

641
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: That would be a remarkable season.

642
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: I agree, that's like that is a stellar rookie season.

643
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: And if if you get six sacks, as a rookie.

644
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: That's a really good that's a really good start. So

645
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: I'm more on that range on him, and I think

646
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: he's gonna be an impactful player. I think also part

647
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: of it comes down to, like when do those sacks happen,

648
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: what's the situation, what kind of impact do those sacks have?

649
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Speaker 1: So Trell Suggs had twelve his rookie year, one defensive

650
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year. That's just incredible, ridiculous. Also like

651
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: Peter Buller had eleven and a half. Also, Trell Suggs

652
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: is probably gonna He's gonna doe in the Hall of Fame.

653
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: Rightcharrel Suggs is one of the best passes top ten

654
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: in the NFL history in sacks. He's in the Raven

655
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: Ring of Honor. He's gonna have a gold jacket sooner

656
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: island later.

657
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: That's correct. Peterbool wear eleven and a half Ring of Honor,

658
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor guy. Right, So I don't think that

659
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: Mike Green is gonna get to I would be surprised

660
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: if he got to that level this year. I would

661
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: not be surprised if he gets that level in his career. Oh,

662
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: but I think as a rookie like that, those are

663
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: some really lofty numbers. But I if I'm putting the

664
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: set in the over under on Mike Green based on

665
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: what I've seen now, I also i want to say,

666
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: like the preseason production, Like, now he's going against let's

667
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: see what it looks like week one against the Bills

668
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: offensive line and some of the best offensive tackles in

669
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, okay, preseason games you're going against backups,

670
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, and.

671
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: Like Dion Dawkins, Okay, in the game, come on down

672
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: exactly right.

673
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: So, like I think that we're all excited, but like,

674
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: let's let's see what he does in a full game

675
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: against starters. Uh. That said, if I'm setting the over

676
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: under on Mike Green, I'm setting it at five and

677
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: a half.

678
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: You're over here talking about ten, eleven, twelve sacks, and

679
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: now you.

680
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: Go doing that.

681
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: I'm saying here, down to five and a half.

682
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm taking the over. If I'm if I'm if I'm

683
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: setting that at the over under, I'm taking I'm definitely

684
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: smashing the over.

685
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: You're like, I think he's gonna lead the team in sacks. Yeah,

686
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: so maybe he gets five this year.

687
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying over I'm saying over kind of want to

688
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: sen it at six and a half.

689
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: This whole lot preamble to get to the point that

690
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: he could have five sacks this year.

691
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: How many sacks are you put how many sacks are

692
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: you projecting?

693
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: I'll say my prediction for him is six sacks this season.

694
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going I'm going six and a half.

695
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: Well, again, you thought he was going to lead the team,

696
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: so I.

697
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: Said he's going to be in that conversation, I think

698
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: that he'll be like contending for the team lead.

699
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, a lot of hamming and haw on

700
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: there a lot I think honestly too. Like part of

701
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: the reason that I would not I would be surprised

702
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: if he leads the team in sacks is like there's

703
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: good players in front of him. Like, oh, way, you

704
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: talked about it. Van Noy. We just had him on

705
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: the podcast. Completely boy is a guy that, like you know,

706
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: he had, He's come off a career year and I

707
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: don't see him slowing down. And Tavius Robinson is like Tavious,

708
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be in the big

709
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: time sack production department, but he's going to be in

710
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 2: the big time snaps.

711
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: Well, like, who are you taking off the field? Is

712
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: the question? And how often can the Ravens get all

713
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 1: three of those guys rushing the passera, Kyle van Noy

714
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: and Mike Green? Can you do that?

715
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit, but not that often, to be honest,

716
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: I don't.

717
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's so like if you're sitting here talking

718
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,959
Speaker 1: about Oway and van Noy where you're leading sack guys

719
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: and van Noy's talked about it many times about how

720
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: you know why he's had so much productions because they

721
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: let him get after the quarterback here, Like they say,

722
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: you're a pass rusher here. So who's coming off the

723
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: field to give him my green snaps? That's the question.

724
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: But I think that's the only thing in my eyes

725
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: that's holding him back from potentially, you know, leading the team.

726
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: All right, So let's move on to another category here.

727
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: Interceptions takeaways has been a big, big, big talking point

728
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: for this team, and I think that they are I

729
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: think they're going to be more productive from a takeaway standpoint.

730
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 2: As a defense. Marl Hufford led the team in interceptions

731
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: last year, had six of them. That was kind of

732
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: an anomaly season for him. That was the most of

733
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: his career and historically speaking, I mean he's a guy

734
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: that's forced takeaways with the force fumbles, but not really

735
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: been a high pick guy was last year though, So

736
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: who leads a team in interceptions? In your mind going

737
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: with Malachi Starks. Okay, the rookie comes in, your rookie,

738
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: You're on the rookie bandwagon. Mike Green leads a team

739
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: in sacks. Malachai Starks leads a team and picks.

740
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: Well, if you read Baltimore Ravens dot com this week,

741
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: we pulled a bunch of Ravens defensive players for who

742
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: their breakout player is going to be. You know who

743
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: their pick was? Here? Was it? Malakai Starks? All right,

744
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: the most popular vote among those in the locker room.

745
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna believe our players, Garrett. Maybe you don't

746
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: c jar players, but I do. And I'm going with

747
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: Malachi starts with five picks this year.

748
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 2: Kyle said it. Kyle Hamilton said it on the podcast

749
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: earlier this week when he talked about how Malachi came

750
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: in and just like has impressed him, like he started

751
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: from the time he stepped on campus, and like this

752
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: is Kyle Hamilton mister one hundred million dollar man here,

753
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: who's one of the best, if not the best safety

754
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: in football, saying like, man, this guy is impressive as

755
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: a rookie. I wish I was like that if that's

756
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: Hamilton saying it. And I don't think he's just like

757
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: shouting praise like. I don't think he's just gassing him up.

758
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: I think he's being honest and his like assessment there

759
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: of how impressed he is of Malachi Starks. So I

760
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: do not think that's a bad pick.

761
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: You know what, I'll go step further. He gets one

762
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: week one too.

763
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: Oh he starts the season that way.

764
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: Well, starts a season with the season with a pick

765
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: in the second half.

766
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: Well, if you go back to his college career, he

767
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 2: started with a pick in his first play.

768
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going second half, Okay, that bills are down,

769
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: Bills are down, and they got to start chuck a

770
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: little bit.

771
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: More, all right, I don't I do not think, uh,

772
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: that is a bad pick. So my interception leader, I

773
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 2: am going to go, uh. I've been back and forth

774
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: on this one a lot.

775
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: You can change right now.

776
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: And I think I am going to go with Nate Wiggins. Okay,

777
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: all right, and when we talked to Wiggans on the

778
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: podcast Trying to the Lounge, he told us his goal

779
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 2: for this year is ten takeaways. Now that includes force

780
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: fumbles and includes force fumbles. Also, yeah, we didn't get

781
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 2: the fine print. Let me let me see where this

782
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: goal shoot at your locker says he said, ten takeaways.

783
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to have ten interceptions this year.

784
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 2: That would he'd be probably the defensive player of the

785
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: year if that were the case. But like, I think

786
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: that he's he had won last year, took it back

787
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: to the house pretty good start, but I think that

788
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: he's going to definitely see an increase in that. And

789
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna go Wiggins leading the team in picks

790
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: this year, and like that's I guess more of a

791
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: risky pick because like that's not necessarily been his game,

792
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: like a he's more of a kind of a shut

793
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: down corner. He had some opportunities last year and didn't

794
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 2: didn't connect. But I think that this year he sees

795
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 2: an increase and he leads a team and picks.

796
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: I think there's a fair chance that he gets targeted

797
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: at fair amount.

798
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: We'll have opportunities.

799
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that when you look around that

800
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: secondary at Marlon, Humphrey, Jay Yr Alexander, like people might

801
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: go after the second year guy, and so I think, yeah,

802
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: he'll he'll have some opportunities to make those kind of plays.

803
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: And I think that despite dropping some last year, I

804
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: actually think like Nate has pretty good hands. Like that

805
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: was kind of the surprising thing with Marlon last year

806
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 1: is Marlin up to that point had not showing great

807
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: hands and then he comes away with six. I don't

808
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: think that it's crazy to think that Marlin could again,

809
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: that was what I was. The other thing is, you know,

810
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: Marlin's gonna, I think, play a lot of nickel, which

811
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: puts him around the ball a lot. Yeah, and so

812
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: Tip passes those kind of things, like he has a chance.

813
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 2: That was who that was who I was between. I

814
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: was between those two guys for all the reasons that

815
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: you just mentioned. I think that was gonna be right

816
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: on the ball a lot. I think Malay I just

817
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 2: think like for rookies it's just hard. I just think

818
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: if you come into the news, it's just difficult. I mean,

819
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 2: Malachai is already impressive in the sense that he stepped

820
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 2: in He's going to be starting right away, but like

821
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: to come in and be like, hey, this is gonna

822
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: be this is expected to be a really good defense,

823
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: you know, one of the better defenses in the league,

824
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: and as a rookie, lead the team and picks like

825
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: that's a tall order. And so that's why I lean

826
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: more on Again, I was between Marlin and uh, I.

827
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: Don't think Nate, what about yere? You just got to

828
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: take away ability?

829
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: You know he does.

830
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: He's gotta stay healthy.

831
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: He's got to stay healthy again, new team, that's the

832
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: question health for him. He's he's he's had to He's

833
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: not been like he's got to take away ability. But

834
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: you look through his career like super super I mean

835
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: he had two last year, none of the he's actually had.

836
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: Better production in the playoffs than he has in the

837
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 1: red go seasons, right.

838
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: Like this is these are the this is his career

839
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: two interceptions zero five one one two one.

840
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: So how about we run back that five five?

841
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: Okay, that sounds good. So kind of similar to Marrowin

842
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: in that sense in terms of his like he has

843
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 2: one season where he had you know, a big number.

844
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: But so that's that's all I'm going with, all Right,

845
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: I want to move into special teams. A big question

846
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: for the season. Tyler Loop stepping in for Justin Tucker

847
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: look good in preseason, what does Tyler Loop season look like?

848
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: Tyler Loop finishes with a field goal percentage at or

849
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 1: above ninety percent, Okay, I think that they're of course

850
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 1: built within that is a ten percent are missed, and

851
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, there are gonna be some

852
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: painful moments, as it happens with every kicker. I think

853
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: that once he gets late in the season and you're

854
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: talking about AFC North games, those are gonna be the

855
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: toughest environments for him to kick in and the conditions

856
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: get ugly. It's just it's tough to be a kicker

857
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: in the AFC North. So like that, I think will

858
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: be probably where he could have some This is but

859
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: my my ultimate prediction for Tyler Loop is that he

860
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: kicks a field goal in the Super Bowl.

861
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 2: Oh okay, we're just gipping ahead to the Super Bowl.

862
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 1: Now, he kicks a field goal in the Super Bowl.

863
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: Al Right. I'm not saying he's going to kick a

864
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: game winner in the Super Bowl, but Tyler Loop, Justin

865
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: Tucker asked, kicks a field goal in the Super Bowl.

866
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: All right, I like that. I mean aside from the

867
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: Tyler Loop piece of it, sure, yeah, but just the

868
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: super Bowl conversation like that too. I think I think

869
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: that Tyler Loop, like early in the season, it's going

870
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: to be a talking point, like you open up broadcast,

871
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: a big change for this team is Tyler Loop is

872
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: now the kicker. How's that gonna go? And until you

873
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: do it that that question is going to exist. How

874
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: do you handle the pressure? How do you handle the spotlight?

875
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: And I think that by like week five, we're just

876
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: not really going to be talking about Tyler Loop being

877
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: like a question mark anymore.

878
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: I think he's just gonna It's not part of the

879
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: opening monologue.

880
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: No, I just think it's gonna be He's just gonna

881
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 2: be good. Like you made the point like he could

882
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 2: have some painful misses, Like I think he'll have some misses,

883
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: because every kickers misses. I don't think they're gonna be

884
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: particularly painful. I think he's proven to me, like in

885
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: clutch situations, as clutch as you can get in training

886
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: camp and the preseason, like, he's proven to be clutch

887
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: and like, to be honest, those were I know that

888
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: fans may say like they're not that clutch of situations,

889
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: Like no, it's not the super Bowl, but like he

890
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: was fighting for his job, Like if he didn't deliver

891
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: in training camp and the preseason, he would not have

892
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,959
Speaker 2: ended at stadium practice like he would have had a job.

893
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: So like pretty clutch to him. And so I think

894
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: that he's gonna be a guy ninety percent sounds about right.

895
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: I just think he's gonna be a good kicker.

896
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: I think back from those misses, like I've been honestly,

897
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: like very impressed with him, Like he's just a guy

898
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: that he's very bright eyed and bushy tailed, and he

899
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: just kind of like doesn't he's just kind of like yeah,

900
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, it'll be right, you know what I mean.

901
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: Like I just like his attitude.

902
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: I like him. My prediction on Loop is that I

903
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 2: think that he's going to kick a sixty plus yard

904
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 2: of this year.

905
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: I think that's a very good prediction.

906
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: This dude's has a monster leg, and kicking a sixty

907
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: yarder for him is like that that is well within range,

908
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 2: well within range.

909
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: So I think he's gonna hick a seventy yarder.

910
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if we're gonna go a seventy yarder,

911
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: but I think kicks the seventy five yarder in practice apparently. Yeah,

912
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: that's great. I think I don't. I'm not predicting the

913
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 2: seventy five yarder, but I will call for the sixty plus.

914
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: The record is sixty six, are Tucker? Yeah, just Tyler

915
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: break the record.

916
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,479
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go with a broken record as a rookie.

917
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 2: I think that he's sixty plus though, soft.

918
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: Just soft predictions.

919
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: It's sixty all of a sudden, two thousand rushing yards

920
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: for Henry, got double digit touchdowns for Bateman, sixty plus

921
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: yarder for Loop.

922
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: Well, you are saying a sixty plus yarder.

923
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm saying sixty plus.

924
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yah.

925
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 2: You're saying I'm not making bull predictions here. There's some

926
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: bull predictions.

927
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: You just get record breaking predictions.

928
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 2: All right. A couple other just general notes prediction wise.

929
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 2: Do you have a breakout player in your mind?

930
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go with Travis Jones and that he

931
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: was a popular pick last year.

932
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 2: Also, didn't you also pick him in this podcast last

933
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: year for breakout player?

934
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm not sure because when I said I listened

935
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: back to the podcast, that was a lie.

936
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: I think you did break pick him.

937
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: Did I think of last year? I might have what

938
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: in surprise me because I'm a big Travis Joins fan.

939
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: I think he's a really good player, and I think that,

940
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, last year obviously an ankle injury kind of

941
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: derailed is too strong of a word, but it hampered

942
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: his season. And so if he stays healthy, I think

943
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: by season's end, like we're talking about a top ten

944
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: defensive tackle in the league, that's going to be the

945
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 1: conversation that would be.

946
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 2: That'd be a big jump. I mean, if you're talking

947
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: top ten. He's also in the contract year, so yeah.

948
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's a man that's gonna get paid. Yeah.

949
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: I think that he will have a big contract coming

950
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: into future. You know, like he's he's not a guy

951
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 2: that like Mattabik in his contract year again had this

952
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: thirteen sacks, Like that's not his game. A different type

953
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: of player, different type of assignment.

954
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: I think he can like be a dominant for or

955
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: something front.

956
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the Ravens really need him to be with

957
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: the departure with the retirement of Michael Pierce, and like

958
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 2: if he can do that, I think that'd be great

959
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: for this defense.

960
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yep, it's a big deal.

961
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, my breakout player. I mentioned to him, I'm taking

962
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 2: lead the team and picks. I'm gonna go Nate Wagans.

963
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna have those opportunities if you leave

964
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 2: the team of picks. I mean, this is a first

965
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: round pick who I think is stepping into you know, look,

966
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: everyone said it this offseason, like Zach Orr said it,

967
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: Nate said it. They feel like he can be one

968
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: of the best corners of football. And will he get

969
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: there this year? I don't know, but I do think

970
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a year where people are around the

971
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: league taking notice of Nate Wagans. I think he's really

972
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: He showed a lot as a rookie, and if he

973
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: adds a pick production like he's hoping to, along with

974
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: great cover skills, then he's gonna be somebody that other

975
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: teams are all looking at as like, man, he's a

976
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 2: tough guy to go against, and that that will alter

977
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: how teams choose to try to attack this Ravens defense.

978
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: Okay, Rookie of the Year for you. I mean I

979
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: have Malachi Starts leaving the team.

980
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: In said, yeah, I think Malachi is a safe bet too.

981
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna have a really good rookie season,

982
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 2: so I think he's a bit good bet. But like

983
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: the other guy who I could point to is kind

984
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 2: of I just talked about Loop being really good and

985
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 2: hitting sixty plus yarder different category, but like it could

986
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: be Tyler Loop when we're looking back on it, like

987
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: if he hits some game winners and hits that sixty

988
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: yarder and is really good, like we may just be saying,

989
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: like this guy is a difference maker for this team.

990
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I think that it's

991
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: going to be by season's end, it's gonna be a

992
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: fun debate to have who's the Raven who is the

993
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: Raven's best rookie because I think Mike Green's gonna be

994
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: in that conversation too.

995
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: Well, we're high on this rookie class. If you can't tell, Yeah,

996
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 2: I think that like Teddy Buchanan is also a guy

997
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: who I think has looked good at linebacker who could

998
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 2: end up, you know, being an important player down the

999
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: stretch and over the course of this year. So there's

1000
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: a lot of good players on this rookie class that

1001
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: we're excited about yep.

1002
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: All right, now it's kind of the free for all

1003
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: any other bold predictions or just predictions for the season

1004
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 1: that aren't just like statistical predicted predictions. What do you got?

1005
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: I think the Ravens go into the playoffs is the

1006
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: AFC's number one seed. Okay, I think that they're going

1007
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 2: to be an excellent team this year.

1008
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: Really going out on a limb there.

1009
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 2: I mean that there's other really great teams in the AFC.

1010
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 2: They're playing one on Sunday night, and the Chiefs I

1011
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: think are gonna be right back in the mix. The

1012
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: Bengals are going to be a really good team again,

1013
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 2: and the Bills are going to be a really good

1014
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 2: team again, and not to mention some of the teams

1015
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: that are on the RISEE. So like, I by no

1016
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: means am I think? Do I think it's a cakewalk?

1017
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: Was out it?

1018
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: Certainly it sounds like your suggesting.

1019
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying that over half of the pundits

1020
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: out there are predicting the Ravens to win the Super Bowl,

1021
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: So you know.

1022
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I think that they finished with the AFC's

1023
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: top record going into the postseason.

1024
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: I like that I'm gonna go with Last year, the Ravens'

1025
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: longest winning streak was five games. This year, I think

1026
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: they go on a six game winning streak. Oh okay,

1027
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: this sea, this team can get hot, and I think

1028
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: that there's it's a really tough start and a really

1029
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: you know, when you just look at the opponents on

1030
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: the schedule, the start in the end really are going

1031
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: to be challenges. I think that in the middle of

1032
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: this schedule, in the middle middle of the season, they

1033
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: go on a six game eater.

1034
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: All right, I like that. I look, I already made

1035
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: some pretty bold predictions here, I said Derek Hennery two

1036
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: thousand rushing yards. Like I could keep making bull prediction,

1037
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: said Tyler Luke. Let's go how about how about this one.

1038
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: I think that the Ravens are going to have multiple

1039
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: guys on defense. That you're talking about is like, could

1040
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: that guy be a defensive Player of the Year. I

1041
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 2: don't think it's going to be one dominant player. I

1042
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: think the defense is going to be excellent, But then

1043
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: it's like, who is the guy? Kyle Hamilton will jump out?

1044
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: Rokwan Smith I think has the year Likequan's. We're forty

1045
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: five minutes in here and we haven't even mentioned Rokwan

1046
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: Smith or Kyle Hamilton. Yeah, Like Roquan is a guy

1047
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: that I think is going to have an excellent season.

1048
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: And I think that he's you know, he's been here

1049
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: for a few years now, and so you can kind

1050
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: of gloss over a little bit when there's all these

1051
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: star players on this defense. But I think that he's

1052
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: going to be like, do not sleep on him in

1053
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: any way. I think he's going to have an excellent year.

1054
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: And I think that, like you could have multiple guys

1055
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: that you're talking about, like is it Metabik If he's

1056
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 2: having the double digit sacks? Is it Kyle Hamilton? Is

1057
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: it Rokwand Smith is the leader in the heart and

1058
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: soul guy of that defense, Like who is it? This

1059
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: is one of the best defenses, and so I think

1060
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 2: that they could have multiple guys in that conversation.

1061
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: Well, my last one, and you just said it's one

1062
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 1: of the best defenses. My last prediction is the Ravens

1063
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: defense finishes number one in the league. I think that

1064
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: it comes together this year. Last year got off to

1065
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: a slow start, finished down the stretch, was the number

1066
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: one defense this year. I think that start to finish.

1067
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: It is a dominant, dominant defense year two under Zach Or.

1068
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: They have the pass rushers, the secondary is absolutely stacked.

1069
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean that, I think that there's just so many

1070
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: stars on this defense, not to mention the rookies that

1071
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 1: we've gushed about so much with Malachi and Mike Green

1072
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: and Teddy Buchannan. And I just think that this year

1073
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: the Ravens defense kind of is reminiscent of two years

1074
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: ago when they went to the AFC Championship Game. It

1075
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: is just a dominant d number one in the league.

1076
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: All right, Well, both of us feel good about the

1077
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: team where they're going. You already predicted that Tyler Lupshit

1078
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 2: is a big kick in the Super Bowl. That tells

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Speaker 2: you you're expectation for this team.

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Speaker 1: That's correct. I think we I mean, they're my Super

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00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: Bowl winner. Obviously a little biased, but yeah, I think this.

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Speaker 1: I think this is I think this is the year

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00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: that they do it and and and I'll even take

1084
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: it a step further. I think that, like the rookies

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00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: are going to play a pretty big role in that.

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00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: I think that, like, uh, you know, they have all

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00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: these Pro Bowl players and and I'm just really impressed

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00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: with this this fresh class that they brought in, not

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Speaker 1: to mention, you know, not just the rookies that they

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Speaker 1: brought in, but the veterans, you know. D Hop like,

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to make some plays that kind

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00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: of help get him over the hump. Jay a Lexander

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00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: I talked about how well he's played in the playoffs

1094
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: with his takeaways like these are get over the hump

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00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: kind of players. I think Mike Green is going to

1096
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,959
Speaker 1: be like that kind of can add that juice pass

1097
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: rush late in games, help close out games. Malachi starts

1098
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: another playmaker that can help you close out games. Like

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00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: That's what the Ravens need to do, is they need

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Speaker 1: to close out games and stop shooting themselves in the

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00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: foot in the playoffs. And I think that they have

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00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: all the ingredients to do that, and I think this

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Speaker 1: is the year.

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Speaker 2: All Right, there we go. I like the sound of that.

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Speaker 2: So let's say one more quick break. When we come back,

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Speaker 2: we'll give you our thoughts about the game coming up

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Speaker 2: Sunday night. It all starts Sunday night in Buffalo. All right,

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Speaker 2: So the Ravens kick things off Sunday night in Buffalo.

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00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 2: It's the best game of the weekend, the top two finishers,

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00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 2: the top two finishers in the MVP race, the last

1111
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: two MVPs where last season ended. How many other storylines

1112
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: do you need two of the favorites going into the season, Like,

1113
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: I could keep going with the storylines for this game.

1114
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 2: The Bills are favored in this matchup, and so what

1115
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: do you think is going to be the key if

1116
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: the Races are gonna come out of Buffalo one to no.

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00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: Well, I think it starts with winning the turnover battle.

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00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: That's what they're you know, that was the downfall in

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00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: the playoffs for the Ravens. They committed three turnovers and

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00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: didn't get any didn't get any takeaways, So they have

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00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: to play cleaner football. When when you look at these

1122
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: two teams roster wise stacked up next to each other,

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00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: the Ravens have more talent on their roster, Like, if

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00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: they play a clean game of football, I think that

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00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: they are the better team and should win. Yeah.

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00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 2: I think that. Look obviously, the Ravens played the Bills

1127
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 2: twice last year. First game was a route, second game

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00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: was tight in Buffalo and the Bills ended up winning it.

1129
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 2: I like the Ravens chances a lot going into this game.

1130
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: I like, just like from a narrative standpoint, like everybody's

1131
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,959
Speaker 2: been asked about the playoff game, how less season ended.

1132
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: Of course, that's like every single player coach has been

1133
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: asked about that, and the Ravens aren't shying away from

1134
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: it at all, and like they're John Harball team are

1135
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: all basically saying like, yeah, of course that is part

1136
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: of the story here. We are well aware of how

1137
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 2: last season ended. But it's not just like I think

1138
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 2: it goes beyond just like we need we need to

1139
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 2: get our we need our get back here. It's not

1140
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: just about like we need to they knocked this out,

1141
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 2: we need to return the favor. I think it's more

1142
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: about like coming up short last year, and for players

1143
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 2: who have been here for multiple years the last few years,

1144
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: is driving this team Like that all of that is

1145
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: driving this team, and that's part of the story for

1146
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 2: this team they have been building and so like I

1147
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: have been super impressed with like the seriousness of this

1148
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 2: team over the course of the offseason and training camp

1149
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 2: and the focus and the drive, and so I think

1150
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 2: that that is all carrying into this game. So that's

1151
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: like more of a of a narrative thing. But like,

1152
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: I think this team is embracing the fact that, like

1153
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: they can be driven by the past, and they're gonna

1154
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 2: use that in the right way, I believe going into

1155
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: this matchup now, from more go ahead, I was.

1156
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: Going to say, from more X's and O's standpoint, did

1157
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: I think stopping the Bills run is really paramount? That's

1158
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: something that the Ravens didn't really have a great run

1159
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: defensive game in the playoffs. Bills ran for a buck

1160
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: forty seven, James Cook had sixty seven rushing yards. Even

1161
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: Ty Johnson and Ray Davis, their backups had success. Not

1162
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: to mention, Josh Allen scored two rushing touchdowns. And so

1163
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: I think that they have to play better run defense,

1164
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: and that is I think one of the outstanding questions

1165
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 1: to a degree about this Ravens d is Michael Pierce

1166
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: retired Trenton Simpson. Is he going to take the step

1167
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: that the Ravens were hoping that he would take last year?

1168
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: Is he gonna take it this year and be that

1169
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: kind of guy? You know? The Ravens did lose a

1170
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: couple of linebackers, Malik Harrison Chris Board who played significant

1171
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: stats last year, you know, does Trenton Simpson rise to

1172
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: the occasion? I think is part of the question. And

1173
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: how good is the Ravens run defense overall? It was

1174
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: number one league last year, but did not play particularly

1175
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: well in that playoff loss. So that is really key

1176
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: against the Bills because what they wanted to do. Every

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00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: team wants to keep you in manageable keep themselves in

1178
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 1: manageable third down situations down in distances. But it's particularly

1179
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: important for the Bills because of Josh Allen's legs. And

1180
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: he's not like a Lamar break your ankles guy, But

1181
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: if he gets Josh Allen is in third and five

1182
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: and less, it's so much harder to defend him because

1183
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: heck he can he can run you over for another

1184
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: for two yards.

1185
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: Saw the playoff game basically their Buffalo's version of the

1186
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 2: tush push. Just plow into the end ZONEE they get

1187
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: down there close.

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00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: Exactly and so and I think that it goes beyond

1189
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: just that. Like so, I think if you get the

1190
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: Bills in third and long situations, the Ravens are going

1191
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: to have a lot of success. Josh Allen is not

1192
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: particularly like lit up the Ravens with his arm over

1193
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: the years, and so I think that it's stop the run,

1194
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: make make him kind of throw the ball, and then

1195
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: wide receiver wise, you know, so they don't have a

1196
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,240
Speaker 1: they don't have as good a wide receivers and weapons

1197
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: as the Ravens do on the outside. Khalil Shakir is

1198
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: their slot receiver, is really his go to guy in

1199
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 1: the passing game. I think the Khalil Shakir Marlon Humphrey

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00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 1: matchup is going to be a big one.

1201
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Keon Coleman. Also for them, second year player been

1202
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 2: dealing with a groin injury. Bills actually have some kind

1203
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 2: of significant injuries and that's actually it's.

1204
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: Like a groin injury epidemic over there.

1205
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they've got That's actually one of the

1206
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 2: things I like. So when the Ravens won earlier in

1207
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 2: the season, it was the Derek Henry Show, one hundred

1208
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: and ninety nine yards on the ground and look, if

1209
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 2: he's going to get two thousand and then, why not

1210
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 2: start with that again? But I actually wonder if this

1211
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: is a game early on where the Ravens attack through

1212
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: the air given all the injuries that the Buffalo has

1213
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: in their secondary. Tredevious White of course was on the

1214
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 2: Ravens last year at the end of the season. He's

1215
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 2: back in Buffalo. He's not practiced this week dealing with

1216
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: a groin injury. Cornerback Christian Benford, dealing with a groin injury,

1217
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: did return to practice but banged up. What his status

1218
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: is going to be. Their first round pick was Maxwell Hairston,

1219
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 2: who went down in training camp is on injuries Roight now,

1220
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 2: so like they've got questions in their secondary. So I

1221
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 2: do wonder if the Ravens come out and they come

1222
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 2: out attacking through the air, take some of those deep shots.

1223
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: Bateman had a big play Bayveman had a great game

1224
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 2: against Buffalo in the playoffs, had a touchdown, had that

1225
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 2: deep shot. So I think that he's a guy that

1226
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: I think could have a really nice day. And then

1227
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 2: if you can get out to a lead, then you

1228
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: can can turn and hand it off to Derrick Henry

1229
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: to really kind of a salt the game away in

1230
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: the second half. That's the ideal recipe. But I actually

1231
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: I think this could be a past first situation for

1232
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 2: the Ravens given some of the injuries and the weapons

1233
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 2: that the Ravens have around on the edges, yep.

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00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: And one key element for the Ravens I think is,

1235
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: you know the status of pat Ricard and how that

1236
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: changes things potentially. You know, they could pull they could

1237
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: call it Lucas Scott, the undrafted rookie fullback from the

1238
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: practice squad, but you know, Charlie Kohler playing a bigger role. Like,

1239
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: how does that change the offense? Because it does to

1240
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: a degree.

1241
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Isaiah likely to I mean expectation that he's

1242
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 2: not going to play, given the fact that he hasn't

1243
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 2: practiced since having his foot surgery in training camp and

1244
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 2: the card has been signedlined for a couple of weeks now.

1245
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, that if you lose pat Riccard for the game,

1246
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: then that's a tough blow and the Raves are gonna

1247
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 2: have to adjust. But that's one of the things, honestly

1248
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: that I love about this team is like last year

1249
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 2: we kept saying pick your poison. Yep, that's still that

1250
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 2: phrase still is relevant for this team. Like, Okay, no

1251
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 2: Recard gonna be a little tougher to run the ball.

1252
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: No, likely, we can pivot to something else.

1253
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go through the air here. DeAndre Hopkins, welcome

1254
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: to the team. Let's see what you got.

1255
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: Well and pat Riccard is a great blocker, but I

1256
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: think the Ravens can also run the have different formations

1257
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: where they can run the ball without pat Ricard being

1258
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: the lead blocker.

1259
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. So I think that I love to have

1260
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 2: hat on the field. Yeah, but I think that they

1261
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: can beat defenses in different ways. So I think this

1262
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 2: team is in a good spot going in this game.

1263
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: I think it should be a lot of fun on

1264
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: All eyes are going to be on it and we

1265
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 2: are going to do a full breakdown after the game

1266
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: as we always do. So make sure that you are

1267
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 2: subscribed to the podcast here and also head over to

1268
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: the Ravens press Pass podcast feed subscribe there as well.

1269
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening, and we will be

1270
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 2: back with you after that game Sunday night.