1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: The more you travel alone, it's like a muscle. You 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: get more confidence, you say I can do this, You 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: become more independent. And I don't know. I think solo travels. 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: I recommend it for everyone, no matter where you are, 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: even if you're married or with a family. I think 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: a solo trip is like a recharge. 7 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 2: Hey, Hurdlers, Emily Abadi, here you are listening to another 8 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: installment of Hurdle Moment from Hurdle. Last week I went 9 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: traveling and that travel was actually work related, but I 10 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: got many, many, many messages asking me, are you on 11 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: a solo trip? 12 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 3: Are you with someone? What's going on? So the way 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 3: that it works, no pun intended, but you get where 14 00:00:58,800 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: I'm going with this. 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 2: When you're a journalist, oftentimes different brands will reach out 16 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 2: to you and either invite you to a property or 17 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: a specific place to launch an offering or a certain product. 18 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 2: These are often called familiarization trips. I have had the 19 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: good fortune of traveling everywhere from Hong Kong with Reebok 20 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 2: to Paris with Nike, and last week I went to 21 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: Cabo San Lucas with Thompson Hotels and while I traveled 22 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 2: alone to their absolutely stunning property, the Cape, which I 23 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: would one hundred and twenty five thousand percent recommend. When 24 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: I got there, I was linked up with a group, 25 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: so we did tons of different activities from surfing to 26 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: mountain biking, and for all of those, including most of 27 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: my meals, I was joined with different individuals from all 28 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: over the country and the world, as you can understand, 29 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: and I had just met a lot of these people, 30 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: all of these people actually, and I'm not the kind 31 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: of person to post photos or videos of other people. 32 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 3: On my social media. 33 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: It's just a respect thing that I keep myself. So 34 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: I can totally understand why many of you were wondering 35 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: if this was a solo trip. With that said, this 36 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 2: trip made it very apparent to me that you were 37 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: all seeking content on solo travel, which is something that 38 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: I've done before. I have done my fair share of 39 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: solo travel, including a landmark trip for me, a ten 40 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 2: day international trip to Italy which changed my life forever. 41 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 2: I'm going to link to an episode that I recorded 42 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: about How to Spend Time Alone, in which I really 43 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: talk a lot about that trip, in particular in the 44 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 2: show notes, so I called in some backup. I chatted 45 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: with Jeanette Saih. She is a travel journalist, a travel veteran. 46 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: I was blown away by all the trips she spoke 47 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 2: about in our conversation today, and we are collecting all 48 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: of our best tips for anyone who's interested in solo travel, 49 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,119 Speaker 2: from how to stay safe to where you might want 50 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: to go, to best practices when it comes to booking 51 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: a hotel, eating out a topic that I get asked 52 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: a lot about what to do when you're traveling solo. 53 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 2: How to save money traveling solo. If you have any 54 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 2: more questions on this topic, I would love it if 55 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: you would leave me a voice message to do just that. 56 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: Click the link that says leave me a voice message 57 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: in the show notes and ask away. I'll make sure 58 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: to answer your question in an upcoming episode. Make sure 59 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: you're following along with Hurdle on social At Hurdle Podcasts, 60 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily a Body, and I want to 61 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: make sure I call this out. 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With that, let's get 71 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: to Hurdling. 72 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 3: Today. 73 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 2: I am sitting down with Jeannette Sayha. She is a 74 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: travel journalist. She's an award winning TV host. How you 75 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 2: doing today, Hi, am Elia. 76 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: I'm so great, happy to be here with you. 77 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 3: Happy to have you here. 78 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: So I recently did some travel, which prompted a lot 79 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: of questions from the Hurdle audience about solo travel. So 80 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: I did some Twitter reach out, as one does when 81 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 2: they want to have a great conversation on the podcast. 82 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 3: And we were connected, which I'm so excited about. 83 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: Yes, me too. I'm all about you know, solo travel, travel, women, empowerment, helping, 84 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,799 Speaker 1: you know, the community. So I'm happy to be here. 85 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 3: Amazing, amazing. 86 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: So before we get into our perhaps tips, our tricks, 87 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: our feedback on solo travel, why do you give us 88 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: a little bit of insight into your background and how 89 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: you got to be how this got to be your beat, 90 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: so to speak. 91 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: Yes, well, it started as a young girl. I would 92 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: be glued to anything that had to do with news. 93 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: At first, when I was a young girl, I thought 94 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to be a foreign news correspondent like Christiana Amipor. 95 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: And then I followed Oprah on the different channel. I'd 96 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: watch Oprah every day, and then I changed the channel 97 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: to Discovery Channel, History Channel, Travel Channel, and then I 98 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,239 Speaker 1: was like, whoa, I want to show people the world. 99 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: And yesterday I just watched The road Runner, the Boardain documentary. 100 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: By the way, who Ordain was really influential in me 101 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: choosing the travel route. So I've known since a young 102 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: I was a young girl about this. When I was twelve, 103 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: I started my first travel journal. I would go to 104 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: Mexico City as a young girl to visit my grandparents, 105 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: and I would spend the summers there and I would 106 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: just write about anything and everything, take photos, come back, 107 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: share with my friends, and then it just never really stopped. 108 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: So I've always been with a camera a journal. Fast 109 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: forward to high school writing for the paper, college writing 110 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: for the paper, and one of my mentors in college 111 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: was a travel editor for Statewide newspaper in Tennessee, so 112 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: that helped me continue writing, and you know, now in 113 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: my thirties, you know, it's been a long, long journey 114 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: of figuring it out. I really didn't have one person 115 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: per se say do ABC and you'll get here. It 116 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: was a lot of just figuring it out. And again 117 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: this is also pre social media, so it was just 118 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: you know, going to the travel conferences and sitting front 119 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: row listening to you know, Samantha Brown, Rick Steves, who 120 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: are also some very inspirational travel pioneers, and then meeting 121 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,239 Speaker 1: Boardain in New York at Tribeca Film Festival many years ago, 122 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: and so just putting myself out there. I think the 123 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: mindset when you're really determined, you will find a way. 124 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: You know, you won't find excuse because I really had 125 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: no idea what I was doing, but I knew my why. 126 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: So your why is the most important, Like why do 127 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: you want to do this? Why is this important to you? 128 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: And that's what I also tell some of my mentees. 129 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: Why do you want to do this? It has to 130 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: be bigger than yourself. If not, when the going gets tough, 131 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: you might just want to throw in the towel and 132 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: just you know, call it a day. But if your 133 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: why is bigger than yourself. You will do it no 134 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: matter what. 135 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 3: I love that piece of advice. 136 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: And I also think when you think about traveling right, 137 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: oftentimes we envision these experiences to be with other people, 138 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: and so for so long, personally, my why for travel was, oh, well, 139 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: I want to share this new experience with someone. But 140 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: I got to a point, and this is going to 141 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: lead us into our conversation that my why for travel 142 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: was I want to see this place, and I got 143 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: so tired as a then. I think I went on 144 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: my first really serious solo international trip when I was 145 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: maybe twenty nine or thirty and I'm thirty three now, 146 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: so maybe even twenty eight actually, and I just got 147 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: tired of waiting for someone to do the travel with. 148 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: So I was like, screw it, I'm out, let's do it. 149 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: Let's figure it out. What's your experience with solo travel. 150 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I love that. I love how you were 151 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: just like not waiting for the right moment or the 152 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: right person to experience and live life in the present moment. 153 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: And that's very common. My first international trip was I 154 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: did a study abroad in Italy when I was in college, 155 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: and I moved for three months and studied Italian and 156 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: I didn't know anyone there and that was a great 157 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: eye opener. And solo travel. What I like to tell 158 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: a lot of women, especially is yes, I understand it 159 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: can be scary. We also have the additional layer I 160 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: believe of physical safety, which is a concern. I mean, 161 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: you know, wherever we are. Though, I think that as 162 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: especially as a woman, you have to be mindful of 163 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: your surroundings. You know, what are you sharing, especially on 164 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: social Unfortunately, there are dangerous people and they're everywhere, so 165 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: it's not just one area. So I think that, you know, 166 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: being very street smart, being very cautious about what you 167 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 1: share with people is important. So, for example, whenever I 168 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: would travel alone, I went to Italy. Then my next 169 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: solo trip was I went to Hawaii for four days 170 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: by myself. And if I was at a restaurant or 171 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: somewhere and a guy would come up to me and say, Hi, 172 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: you know, blah blah blah, are you alone. First of all, 173 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: I was very young, in naive at the time, and 174 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, I'm here, you know, doing this. 175 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: But then I later I learned one, really, it's nobody's 176 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: business if I'm alone too, Why is somebody asking me 177 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: three If I feel like I want to respond, I 178 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: would always say yes, I'm actually visiting the mayor, the president, 179 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: the Prime minister. 180 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 3: Love this. 181 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: I would just see them kind of slowly back away. 182 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: I mean, if their intentions are well, then okay. But 183 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: usually I was like, why are you asking me? I 184 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 1: would never go up to a guy and say, Hi, 185 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: are you here alone? I mean to me, it's just 186 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: so invasive, right. 187 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 188 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: So that's another tip that I have. And my other 189 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: tip for women doing a first solo trip or one 190 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: of many, is maybe start local. You can do international, 191 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: but maybe especially right now during these uncertain times during 192 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: the pandemic, I would say start local. If you want 193 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: to start within your own state, For example, California, there's 194 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: a lot of national parks that have reopened. You know, 195 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: there's Yosemite, there's Joshua Treeing, There's that's not far for 196 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: a driver's Sedona. If you want to go a little 197 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: bit further out of your state, maybe go for the day, 198 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: for the weekend. If you feel adventurous, go to Hawaii. 199 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: I love Hawaii. That's one of my first solo trips 200 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: in the US, and I loved it. I went to 201 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: a luel by myself. I had dinner by myself. And 202 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: I think that the more you travel alone, like you 203 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: get a stronger It's like a muscle. You get more confidence, 204 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: you say I can do this. It's self growth. You 205 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: become more independent. And I don't know, I think solo travels. 206 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: I recommend it for everyone, no matter where you are, 207 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: even if you're married or with a family. I think 208 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: a solo trip is like a recharge for sure. 209 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: For sure and the recap A couple of the tips 210 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 2: that we offered here. First and foremost, if someone comes 211 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: up and asks you if you're traveling alone, do not reveal. 212 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 3: That information necessarily. 213 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: And the second tipbit is maybe start off a little 214 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: closer to home. 215 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: So if you want to get used to the idea 216 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 3: of traveling. 217 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: Alone, look at some resources or opportunities in your local 218 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 2: area that can kind of help you get your feet 219 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: wet and get used to the idea. Now, the next 220 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 2: tip that I would love to offer the hurdlers when 221 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: it comes to solo travel is have one thing every 222 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: day on your calendar, so to speak, or on your 223 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: schedule that you can look forward to. So some people 224 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: thrive by having an entire day, back to back to 225 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: back scheduled. For me, I had one thing a day 226 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: that I knew that I was going to do without 227 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 2: a doubt. And that could even be like I'm going 228 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: to commit for this is the day that I'm going 229 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: to spend four hours at the beach, or this is 230 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: the day that I have this dinner reservution, or this 231 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 2: is the day that I'm going to see this museum. 232 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 2: And for me, having that one thing empowered me to 233 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 2: go check out stuff and do things, but without like 234 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: feeling like I was just so drained by the agenda 235 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 2: that I had to just be running around all over 236 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 2: the place. 237 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. That's a great tip. You know, 238 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: it's also celebrating your small wins, even for the day. 239 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people start with gratitude journals. 240 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,599 Speaker 1: How people set their their days is really important, but 241 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: I think also how you end your day, right, what 242 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: is the last thing you're doing? Are you on your 243 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: phone on social where your phone excellently drops on your 244 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: head you know, yes, I've been there, when you're falling asleep, 245 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: or are you reading? What are you doing at the 246 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: beginning at the end of the day, I think is 247 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: so important, but like you were saying, doing committing to 248 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: something and then celebrating that. 249 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: On the idea of perhaps not letting anyone you meet 250 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 2: know that you're traveling alone. On the inverse of that 251 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: is making sure that your friends and family know where 252 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: you are, whether you're domestic, whether you're international. That is 253 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 2: really really important when it comes to a safety perspective 254 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: of making sure that your loved ones can can. 255 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 3: Know where you are. 256 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that you need to be in communication 257 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: with them the entire time you're there all day, every day. 258 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 2: In fact, I would encourage you maybe not to be, 259 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: but I think it's really important from a safety POV 260 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: that we make sure that we reiterate that absolutely. 261 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: And another tip I like to tell, especially women, just 262 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: any solo traveler, especially Americans who are going abroad, is 263 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: you can sign up to the US embassy in whatever 264 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: country you're going to, and they have a program called 265 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: step program where it's free and you put you just 266 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: register with the embassy so that they know that you're 267 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: there as well, and then they update you for examples. 268 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: Anything may arise, like you know, political upheaval or you know, 269 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: some kind of health crisis that may go on. They 270 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: know that you're there, so they can alert you. That's 271 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: a great step to have, and I think you're right 272 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: about letting your family and friends know where you are. 273 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: I was in Brazil. I went to Brazil on a 274 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: solo trip for the World Cup. Was twenty fourteen, and 275 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: I used to work in sports for a few years 276 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: as well, and I quit moved to Italy by myself, 277 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: which was scary but exciting. And I've also lived and 278 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: worked abroad in Australia, so I recommend studying abroad, working abroad, 279 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: traveling abroad like it really helps you grow as a person. 280 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: And I'm, you know, more aware about the world really, 281 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: so it's great. I went to Brazil for ten days 282 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: by myself and I remember telling people, Hey, does anyone 283 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: want to come with me? I asked about forty people, 284 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: friends and family. Nobody could come with me. I ended 285 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: up getting my World Cup ticket through a third party 286 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: cellar because I didn't win it in the lottery like 287 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: so many and I was determined. Again, here's another thing. 288 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: When you are determined, you will find a way. So 289 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: I was determined to go to the World Cup in Brazil. 290 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: It's been a lifelong dream of mine, and I got 291 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: one ticket. I got a round trip airfare and I 292 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: just had a hotel for a few days in Real Dejenio. 293 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: And it was scary. I mean even at the gate 294 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: on the way to board the plane from La to Rio, 295 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: there was a guy sitting on the chair. I'll never 296 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: forget he goes, oh are you? He was asking me 297 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: where are you going. I'm like, O, I'm going to 298 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: the World Cup. Are you by yourself? I mean, this 299 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: is such a common question. I was like, oh no, 300 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: I'm meeting some people there. Okay, great, be careful. It's 301 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: really dangerous you as a woman. This putting all this 302 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: fear in me that you know, fear, fear of fear. 303 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: And I was just like, you know what, my mindset 304 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: is like, I'm going to go. I'm going to be 305 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: very cautious. But in my mind I was like, if 306 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to die, I don't want to die. But 307 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: if I'm going to die, I'm gonna die living doing 308 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: what I love, going to a World Cup game, which 309 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: has been my dream, and going to Brazil. And so 310 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: I went, and a lot of friends and family were concerned, 311 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: like you're going alone. You're a woman. My own mother 312 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: was like, I need you to message me every night 313 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: to make sure you're okay, even though I'm, you know, 314 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: my mid twenties. At the time, I was like, yes, yes, 315 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: and so I understand. 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Something you mentioned was seeking 359 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 2: out before going on that particular trip people to come 360 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: with you and not being able to find someone to 361 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 2: come with you. And I will be the first person 362 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 2: to co sign that I've certainly been in that position 363 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: and it can feel really defeating and like make you 364 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 2: feel some kind of way and make you maybe not 365 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 2: want to go on the trip at all. And again, 366 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 2: I mean back to my first big solo trip like that. 367 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 2: I was tired of feeling that way, so I said, fit, 368 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 2: I'm going. Something else that comes up a lot in 369 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: the messages that get sent to me are questions asking specifically. 370 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 3: Like what are you doing when you're alone? 371 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 2: So we talked about the idea of going to museums 372 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 2: or the beach or you know, whatever it may be 373 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 2: that you want to do while you're traveling alone. Particularly, 374 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: the question is what do you do when you're eating alone? 375 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 3: Now, my tip for that is to bring a book. 376 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 2: When it comes to solo traveling books are my favorite 377 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 2: thing because I don't want to be sitting there on 378 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 2: my phone. 379 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, absolutely, I think it's great. It's a great tip. 380 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: Another thing I will say is a lot of people 381 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: avoid going to certain places or countries because they'll say, oh, 382 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: but I'm single, so why would I go to Paris 383 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: the most romantic. I wrote an article a couple of 384 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: years ago about Santorini because it's one of the top 385 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: honeymoon destinations and how I avoided it for the longest time. 386 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: I think, like, just live for you, regardless your status. 387 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: If you've always wanted to go to Paris, go to Paris, 388 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Don't wait to be in 389 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: a relationship or married or etc. And I can say 390 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: that personal experience going to Paris. I've gone to Paris. 391 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: I've been single every time I've gone. I have my 392 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: own tradition now where wherever I'm staying, I walk to 393 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: the Eiffel Tower. I leave a rose in one of 394 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: the gardens and I just sit there and admire it, 395 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: and I walk back. I have a beautiful scenic walk back. 396 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: I have a Pamela and a coffee and I just 397 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: enjoy it for myself and romance myself and do things 398 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: for myself because we deserve it, you know. And it's 399 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: great if you can share it with someone, but if 400 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: at the moment, you can't do it for yourself, and 401 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: I think that that's and another key is that travel 402 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: it can be such a beautiful gift to you because 403 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: you really appreciate yourself. You get to know yourself more. 404 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: I mean, every time I travel alone, I learn more 405 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: about myself. I like to go for walks in the 406 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: day in the morning, and I like to visit local 407 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: family owned businesses shops. I like to speak with the locals. 408 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: I know. You like to do running emily, which is 409 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: amazing and super inspiring. So even if there's a marathon 410 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: in a certain place, you know, maybe go do a 411 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: marathon somewhere else, like a different city your country. For me, 412 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: I yeah, definitely like to go to museums. I like 413 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: to take cooking classes. I like to immerse myself in 414 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: the local community in whichever can. 415 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 2: What other tips you have for us when it comes 416 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: to solo travel, I think if. 417 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: You want to find a place for well being, there's 418 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: retreats as well that you can do a lot of yoga. 419 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: For example, Tuloom is really a hot place to do 420 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: a lot of these well being where you can go 421 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: a loan. There's so many different kinds of experiences you 422 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: can do as a solo travel. Of course, you can 423 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: do adventure travel, you can do leisure travel, you can 424 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: do you know, work volunteer travel. I mean there's different 425 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: ways that you can travel and give back or you know, 426 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: contribute or I mean there's much more to me. I 427 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: can only sit at a beach for so long. Maybe 428 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: one day I give myself one day with a Margarita 429 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: Boord out of my mind and I just can't. I 430 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: need to like immerse myself. For me, it's about learning. 431 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm a forever student. I'm a sponge and I think 432 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: that's a great fundamental of a journalist is you're always curious, 433 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: like you want to know more and more. So I 434 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: want to like meet the locals. I want to go to, uh, 435 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, an event that's they're doing just to learn 436 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: more and to get out of maybe the touristy places 437 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: like that's great, but maybe you know, rent a car 438 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: and drive along the village if you feel safe and 439 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: you feel confident, enough. Also now with technology, we have 440 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: all these apps, so if you don't know the language, 441 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: it's okay. I mean, I was in Turkey last month 442 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: and I don't speak Turkish, and I was there and 443 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: I went to Kappadocia, I went to Istanbul, I went 444 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: to Bodram and it was amazing, Like I was able 445 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: to get by with some apps in case I needed, 446 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: you know, some extra help with the Turkish language. But 447 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: I think we're really good. We have more tools these days. 448 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: And I think another thing is if you know someone 449 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: who's local to where you're going, that's also great to have. 450 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, definitely. 451 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 2: And something else you were speaking about choosing experience while 452 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 2: you're abroad. I've used apps like Airbnb Experiences and have 453 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: had such great luck reading reviews and really looking into 454 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 2: it to find like really unique experiences that pair you 455 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 2: up with other individuals, whether they're couples or groups or 456 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 2: just other solo travelers to try things in the area, 457 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 2: so that way you're not going at it completely alone. 458 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: And I would also say to that extent that make 459 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: sure you're digging into the reviews right, so if there 460 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 2: is a place that you want to go or something 461 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 2: that you want to experience, do this research before you 462 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: get there so that you can feel really confident about 463 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: the experiences that you're choosing. 464 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I think with what you 465 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: just said is research. Research is so key. Researching the destination, 466 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: what is currently happening in that country. The US State 467 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: Department is a great resource for finding the most up 468 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: to date of travel alerts, travel warnings, especially right now 469 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: we're still in the pandemic, and if you want to see 470 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: what the CDC recommends, what is going on in the country. 471 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: It's important to always stay up to date because things, 472 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: as we've seen in the past year or so are 473 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: very fluid and ever changing. So things, especially if you're 474 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: thinking of going internationally, I highly recommend doing as much 475 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: research as you can if you know someone who lives 476 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: in that country. For example, if I know someone who 477 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: was in Turkey, which I did, I would constantly say, okay, 478 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: well how is it now, how is it now? How 479 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: is it now? Just to keep me updated. Right, research 480 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: is key finding a local or somebody who may know 481 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: someone who's on the ground. There's also some travel experts, 482 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: tour agents, tour guides. You want to do a tour, 483 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: a tour would be great. There's a lot of walking 484 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: tours available, bike tours that are available in every city. 485 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: That's fun to do alone as well. I mean you 486 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: get to do some workout and. 487 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 3: Explore totally totally. 488 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 2: And then I think another question that often comes in 489 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 2: and when I'm sure that you get a lot, is 490 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 2: what are some ways I can keep the costs down? Right? 491 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 2: Because so often the great part about perhaps traveling with 492 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: a friend or a family member or a group is 493 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 2: that you can split things. 494 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 3: So if you're going at. 495 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 2: It alone, what would you tell someone who's trying to 496 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 2: keep their costs down? 497 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, well, I would say, first of all, how 498 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: do you like to travel? 499 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 3: Right? 500 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: There's some people who are very low key who for example, 501 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: if you go you can go pretty much anywhere, but 502 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: depends how you want to travel on your budget. So 503 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: let's say you go to Paris, for example, you can 504 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: have a coffee and a croissant probably for under five 505 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: dollars for breakfast, or you can get a hotel or 506 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: maybe Airbnb, depending where breakfast is included, for example, So 507 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: that knocks down one meal, right, And what I would 508 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: do sometimes if I stayed in a place for longer 509 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: than a week. I would go to the grocery store 510 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: in the market, buy fruit in the morning, make my 511 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: own coffee tea maybe to subsidize the costs, and maybe 512 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: I would do one really nice dinner a week. So 513 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: it's just about allocating. Okay, what's most important in your trip? 514 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: Touristy things, museum experiences. Do you have to eat out 515 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: every day for every meal? No? Not really. You could 516 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: do a picnic as well. So for me, when I 517 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: travel alone, I usually have breakfast, either fruit or something small, 518 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: and I treat myself once once a week or so 519 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: to a nice dinner. So I just allocate it depending 520 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: where I'm at, And of course the currency will change. 521 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: So if you go to Europe, the euros usually stronger 522 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: than the dollar, but if you go to Mexico, the 523 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: peso's usually the dollar's usually stronger than peso. So depending 524 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: where you want to go, where is the dollar going 525 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: to take you further? 526 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 2: Is also right a question that I feel like is 527 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 2: kind of unavoidable. We're talking about ways to save money, 528 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: perhaps on meals, but when it comes to staying alone 529 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: it can be more costly. So it seems as though 530 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 2: by the sounds of all your amazing stories. You've done 531 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: a fair share of travel. Have you ever stayed in 532 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: any sort of hostile or a cooperative living situation? 533 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, so when I lived When I lived in Australia, 534 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: I share an apartment with another professor, for example, so 535 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: when I was working I stayed there. I have stayed 536 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: at airbnbs. I also did vrbo, which is also like Airbnb. 537 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: When I was staying in France during the winter, which 538 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: is a low season, considered low season in the South 539 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: of France, I was renting an apartment for fifty dollars 540 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: a day, so I was able to stay for a 541 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: week what probably in somewhere another time season it would 542 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: have been like a two three days worth of a hotel. 543 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: So I think also when you decide to go, if 544 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: it's high season for example summertime, of course Hawaii and 545 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: all these other places are going to be super expensive 546 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: because the demand is high and the supply is low, 547 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: and they know that, so they're going to charge more. 548 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: As oppose, if you go during low season for a 549 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: destination for example France, low season's wintertime for certain for 550 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: the South of France, for example, you can rent apartment 551 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: for such such a low price hostiles. Yes, I have 552 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: stayed at hostiles, and I've had you know, with hostiles, 553 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: I've had different experiences. I do think that they're great. 554 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: I've stayed in Rome in hostile but I always slept 555 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: with one eye open, and I know that's not great. 556 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: But because there's people constantly coming in and out, I 557 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: really didn't have a safe, secure night sleep, for example. 558 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 2: And I think you need to kind of know that 559 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 2: going into it, Like, if you're the kind of person 560 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 2: that is really okay with that sort of environment, I 561 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 2: wouldn't necessarily recommend it for solo trouble myself. I know 562 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: me again, I want to enjoy my time. I think 563 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 2: i'd be a little anxious in that scenario. So know 564 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: yourself well enough to prioritize perhaps if you're the kind 565 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,959 Speaker 2: of person that's also going to be anxious in that situation, Okay, 566 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: maybe I should spend a little bit more of my 567 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: money and invest on a different kind of place to 568 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: stay where I feel more comfortable. Also, on the investing note, 569 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: and while we're talking about finances, I would encourage you 570 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 2: ahead of time to really think about how you want 571 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 2: to allocate money for the trip that you're going to 572 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 2: go on for me. I literally have a fund in 573 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 2: my bank account. It's called the Italy Fund. I put 574 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 2: in a certain amount of money every month into this 575 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 2: account so that the next time that I'm going to 576 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 2: book my trip to Italy, I don't have to think 577 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 2: twice about the flight or the hotel. 578 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 3: Obviously not just going to be throwing money into. 579 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 2: The wind, but now I can do it knowing that, hey, 580 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 2: I've worked hard for this, this is something that I've 581 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 2: set aside funds for, and now I can really enjoy 582 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 2: my experience without being like, I don't know, should you 583 00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 2: really be doing this? 584 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I think that's amazing. Tip too, maybe has 585 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: you know, allocating saving some money for travel for a trip. 586 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: I think that's so amazing because if you, you know, 587 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: I would talk about this all the time in La 588 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: uh pre pandemic, would have lunch and brunches. Brunches were 589 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: always a huge thing, right and probably still are. I 590 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: would be with a group of people, probably spend two 591 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: hundred dollars on a single brunch, bottomless mimosas this that 592 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: the uber included. Yet, when I would talk about travel 593 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: and I'd say, hey, you know, maybe we could travel 594 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: later this year, do a girls trip, do something I 595 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: don't know, do anything. Oh, I don't have the money. 596 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: But if you if you look at your current spending right, 597 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: how much money goes out the door on so many 598 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: little things that adds up where you can probably save 599 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: it for travel. Travel is also a mindset. I talk 600 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: about that all the time. I do a lot of 601 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: workshops for vision boards as well, because I love vision boards. 602 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: I think there's such an effective tool for setting goals. 603 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: People when they say when I talk about travel, I 604 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: don't have the time, I don't have the money, that's 605 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: a you know, limited belief because travel can be in 606 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: your neighborhood, travel can be you know, to the next state. 607 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: Travel is the mindset. So I like to tell people, okay, 608 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: well you know, if you think you can't, you can't, 609 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: think like Henry Ford, you can you can. But just 610 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: you know, take away the you know, the logical of 611 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: whatever is you know holding you back and start to 612 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: put or make a list of everywhere you want to 613 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: go and just put it out there and don't worry 614 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: about the how, just know where where you want to go. 615 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: And I've been doing vision boards for five years. I've 616 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: done workshops with women all over La Beverly Hills, California, 617 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: et cetera. The stories and the manifestations, and I know 618 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: because I've done them myself for many years is amazing 619 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: because when you just know the belief out there that 620 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: you can, that you deserve it and you're worthy of it, 621 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: a lot of things shift, right. So that happened with 622 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: me my thirtieth and I'm coast. I put the al 623 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: Mafi Coast on my cell phone screensaver, my computer screensaver. 624 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: When people were like, oh is that you know? Where 625 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: is that? I was like, Oh, I'm going to celebrate 626 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: my birthday in the Mafi Coast. Oh when how where? 627 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just going to go And you know, 628 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: I was going to go by myself because again, nobody 629 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: could go. They didn't have the time, the money, which 630 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: is understandable, but like, you got to live your life 631 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: for you eventually, like you can't wait for people to 632 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: live your life, especially travel. And if anything, what we've 633 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: learned Emily during this pandemic is wow, how much we 634 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: really appreciate travel because we couldn't travel right for the 635 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: longest time. You know, now people are like darn, I 636 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: wish I took that trip and now you know, Okay, 637 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: So now people are like, okay, I want to take 638 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: that one trip of a lifetime one day, eventually I 639 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: will do it. So that's kind of like with my 640 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: thirtieth and I kept telling people, Yeah, I'm going to 641 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: celebrate in a Malfi coast. Who are you going with? 642 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: I don't know I'm going. And so what I end 643 00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: up doing is around May my birthdays in June and May. 644 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: For my thirtieth birthday, I just booked a hotel for 645 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: two nights. I was like, okay, I'm putting, I'm planting 646 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: the seed, I'm making it happen. And then I bought 647 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: a one way ticket to was It Naples. I was like, 648 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: all right, I'm putting. I'm planning the seats, I'm making 649 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: the steps. I was doing baby steps, one step by 650 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: one step, and by that time I was like, oh 651 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,439 Speaker 1: my gosh, I'm really going, and people would start to say, oh, 652 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: who are you going with alone? And then eventually my 653 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: sister and my mom were like, oh, we want to 654 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: join you. We don't want you to go alone. I 655 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: was like, okay, I'm going no matter what. So eventually 656 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: they were like they planned to meet me there, but 657 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 1: I had already set things in place. And the craziest 658 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: thing is when I went from Naples down to the 659 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: Mafic Coast to the hotels called Lenora Hotel. It was 660 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: just really highly recommended at the time, and it was 661 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: like my treat for my year, for myself, kind of 662 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: like you were saying, you know, work so hard, you 663 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: want to treat yourself. That's all I saved my money 664 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: for was my birthday trip. And so he took me, 665 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: the bell boy took me down to my room. It 666 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: was underground, I guess, and he opened the balcony curtains 667 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my gosh, it was the 668 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,720 Speaker 1: like the photo from my random screensaver, my random computer screen. 669 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: He had no idea why. It was like having this 670 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: emotional reaction and I was like, oh my god. It 671 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: was like from the pots to the you know, to 672 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: the homes, to the rooftops to like I looked at 673 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: it and was like, oh my god, this is this 674 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, so, I you know, unknowingly booked 675 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: this hotel, this random hotel, like in the exact same spot. 676 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 2: I love that, Yeah, I love that for you and 677 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 2: I totally resonate with the like if not now when 678 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I know we're dealing with a few things 679 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 2: being up in the air with what we've been through 680 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 2: over the last year in change, but if there's one 681 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 2: thing again that we have learned, it's like, take the opportunity, 682 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 2: take the trip, tell the people that you love that 683 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 2: you love them, and do the best you can with 684 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 2: what you have. I also feel the need to throw 685 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 2: the statistic into the mix here that I read not 686 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 2: all that long ago, solo travelers account for at least 687 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 2: eleven percent of all American vacationers. So you're not the 688 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 2: only person thinking about this doing this, so just go 689 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 2: for it. How do we tell me? Tell me how 690 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 2: do the hurdlers keep up with you? How do they 691 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 2: follow along with you on your travels going forward? 692 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 3: Give me the details? 693 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,399 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, absolutely, so you can follow me. I'm at 694 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 1: chet set with Jeannette on Instagram, Janet Saiw on Twitter. 695 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: My website is www dot chet set with Jannette two 696 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 1: ns dot com and it's me I answer. I get 697 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: a lot of questions DM people asking me for recommendations 698 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: if I've been to the country. So Turkey was my 699 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: sixty first country. If I've been to the country, I 700 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: will recommend or connect you. If I have not been 701 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: to the country, I will still connect you with someone 702 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: who is either on the ground or who has been there. 703 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: So I'm always happy to be a resource, especially for 704 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: solo travelers, because I think it is the best gift 705 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: that you can give yourself. 706 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,879 Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite place you've ever been? 707 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: This is a good one, I would say is India. Honestly, 708 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: Turkey surpassed. I had great expectations that surpassed all of those. Turkey, India, 709 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 1: and Egypt. 710 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. I love it. Thank you so 711 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 3: much for your time today. I'm so appreciative of you. 712 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcast. 713 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 3: Another Hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.