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Speaker 2: eight and is in the hospital. So y'all keep my

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Speaker 2: on something like that d that the serious. Huh got

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Speaker 2: some stuff going on with this, but he'd be back

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Speaker 2: next week on kind of serious episode tonight. A departure

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Speaker 2: from a little departure from what we normally do. And

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Speaker 2: I wanted to start doing more of this and talk

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Speaker 2: about something this plague in our community and that police brutality. Huh.

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Speaker 2: June nineteenth, twenty nineteen. I believe the young man's riding

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Speaker 2: the bike lost his life. So they say he didn't

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Speaker 2: have a light Tyresee West. I have two people on

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Speaker 2: the show tonight, powerful documentary. When are you guys releasing

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Speaker 2: this by the way right now?

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Speaker 3: Actually we're still on the festival market, on the festival circuit,

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Speaker 3: and we think that's the perfect way to kind of

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Speaker 3: roll out this film, to be able to go into

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Speaker 3: all of these communities, to really deal with real filmmakers

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Speaker 3: and real film circles and be able to get this

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Speaker 3: film into just like the place is where I think

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Speaker 3: that it matters most right now, and so that's what

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Speaker 3: we definitely want to maintain our focus after them.

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Speaker 2: Oh for sure. The gentleman who you just heard is

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Speaker 2: William Howe, one of the producers on the film. Next

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Speaker 2: to him is the quiet but deadly I believe are

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Speaker 2: you deadly or you just quiet?

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Speaker 4: Or in the editing room you can call me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: The boys, you hear right that this lower kids right

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Speaker 2: there on. I'm going to start right off. The first

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Speaker 2: thing that really struck me was the police chief is

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Speaker 2: your uncle will right right? H Can he sleep? Can

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Speaker 3: I really doubt that, you know, I really doubt that,

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Speaker 3: and I think that it was It was just an

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Speaker 3: I think that it also collided with with what our

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Speaker 2: So now.

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Speaker 3: The fact that you were never present as an uncle,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, that's cool.

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Speaker 1: I can accept that. As it's grown. Man, I have

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Speaker 1: you know, learned to accept that and move on.

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Speaker 3: But in that moment, I had to really ask myself,

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Speaker 3: like could I accept him not being up pleaded to

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Speaker 3: his community when that's show position you chose that position,

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Speaker 3: didn't And so like I refused to let a young

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Speaker 3: black man, regardless whether it was Tyree somebody that I

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Speaker 2: Well, you know because apparently Sergeant Jesus he just didn't

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Speaker 2: beat up on black kids. He'd murdered black kids. He

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Speaker 2: Reese is riding his bike and they said he didn't

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Speaker 2: And he was shot in the head. They later said

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Speaker 2: Did they ever have proof that he had to walk.

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Speaker 4: In There's no proof linking Tyreek to that gun.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I got you, I got you. We have a

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Speaker 2: the shooting was laid, the ruge justified. But this officer

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Speaker 2: I was listening to the mom on the film where

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Speaker 2: in the sandwich shop or something like that, Right, Like,

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Speaker 3: Well, when you're dealing with a small town like race

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Speaker 3: for example, And had that not been my uncle, had

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Speaker 3: for me, it's about, you know, really digging in deep

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Speaker 2: And a documentary is called cycle. Who came up with

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Speaker 3: Well, what's so funny is that, like we met with

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Speaker 3: this guy. I'll never forget we met with this guy?

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Speaker 1: What's what? Who was the name that we met with?

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Speaker 5: That was really early on. I honestly remember you coming

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Speaker 5: to me with the name person.

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Speaker 1: Well and right, but we had to met with this guy.

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Speaker 3: But he told us, he was like, look, he was like,

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Speaker 3: this film needs a title. That's like it's one word.

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Speaker 3: He's like, but it can mean you know two different things.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I always I always about that, And so that

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Speaker 6: and Laura was just like she fucking snapped and like usual,

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Speaker 6: like this is a fucking cycle and this is a cycle.

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Speaker 3: And she said the word maybe like three times and

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Speaker 3: I'm literal. It's just like God hit me with a

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Speaker 2: And that's usually how things arrived, really organic. You know.

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Speaker 2: They didn't discuss any of his other stuff, and he

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Speaker 5: He did, he did, and that's not an accident. I mean,

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Speaker 5: there was very little information about him prior to this happening,

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Speaker 5: But I think that a really important thing to point

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Speaker 4: Open records requires that showed past misconducts.

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Speaker 5: But it took a long time to get that, and

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Speaker 5: which typically officer depositions are not recorded, they're not filmed.

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Speaker 4: But the average person and can't look that up.

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Speaker 7: And that's important and to me, that was the importance

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Speaker 7: like it just in all of my anger and rage

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Speaker 1: But I really knew deep.

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Speaker 3: Beside me, I was like, bro, like this this story

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Speaker 3: somebody who can really bring this story to life. I cannot,

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Speaker 3: me out the blue and he sent me a message like, man,

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Speaker 3: I got my friend said she know this amazing filmmakers

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Speaker 1: I was like, I knew that this could be nobody,

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Speaker 3: So so he sent me like a clip of a

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Speaker 3: documentary that she kept put together previously. When I've seen

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Speaker 3: just wrap her arms around not just Tyreeche the family

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Speaker 2: That bro. It's just been.

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Speaker 3: Remarkable for one, but it's just been very life changing

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Speaker 1: And the craziest thing is that even in all of that.

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Speaker 3: Time like that, I was praying and trying to figure out, like, Okay, God,

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Speaker 3: What's the craziest part is that she literally rolled past

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Speaker 3: And that's why to me, that's why it's important for

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Speaker 3: The films that literally have stuck with us through our

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Speaker 1: Like when those films were made, I'm pretty sure that.

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Speaker 3: These people they didn't think much of it, that these

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Speaker 3: Three times like it's like it's just constant confirmation to

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Speaker 2: Have you been there? I looked up, looked you up, Laura.

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Speaker 2: You have an extensive background in media and journalism. How

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Speaker 2: long have you been shooting? Because I shoot as well?

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Speaker 2: How long have you been shooting?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 5: I've been in like the production journalism space for about

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Speaker 4: Who who like have like those early like you know,

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Speaker 5: But he put a camera in my hands pretty early,

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, it looks like it looks like you've been

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Speaker 2: doing it for fifty because I tell you, you guys did

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Speaker 2: an amazing job of just catching the energy, and that's

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Speaker 2: very important, like just to look on certain people's face,

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Speaker 2: even those moments where there's no communication there look just

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Speaker 2: But I've had a lot of friends, man, a lot

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Speaker 2: but they're still suffering from an incident that happened twenty

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Speaker 3: And I mean, and what I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: See, that's just crazy to me that that's just crazy

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Speaker 2: And that's bad. I don't mean to sound so dire

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Speaker 1: But I have my mind.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's like I tell everybody, the mind is just

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Speaker 1: It only works when it's open. Like, we have to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, of course we learn to build with and trust,

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Speaker 1: And she treated our pain as a process.

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Speaker 3: And I think that the more that we're able to

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Speaker 2: Well, I want to say this, I think we've almost

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Speaker 2: And if you're black, oh, stay away from them, they're

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Speaker 2: You know it's a funny, man. I got them tickets.

441
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: The guy that owns TV Kendrick to Morrow's own label

442
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 2: is a good friend of mine. So I got my

443
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 2: brother tickets. One time they were in Ohio. I'm reaally

444
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 2: for a while and I gave him tickets in Top

445
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 2: met him. He said, still, this ain't your brother, man,

446
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: he don't that's from like you. I said, yes, it's

447
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 2: when a god, that's my brother. But I think, like

448
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,959
Speaker 2: I said, I think we've been in doctor native and

449
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 2: I think the way to overcome that is education. Because

450
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 2: if you put two kids together, one black, one white,

451
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 2: one Mexican, they're kids, they're gonna play together. That all

452
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 2: changes because they're being taught. They're being taught. Hey don't

453
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 2: trust him, don't like him. And usually it's usually from

454
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 2: people who have no clue on who you are. Right.

455
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 2: If you ever noticed, theism comes from the most uneducated

456
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 2: people in theirrow minded people you've ever met. These people

457
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: don't have a clue on what they're mad about. On why.

458
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 2: It's usually just based off one experience, but it's real crazy.

459
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 2: America on the hole is just so caught up in colorism.

460
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: It's horrible if you go, if you meet a black

461
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 2: guy from England and you asked him it's nationality, He's

462
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 2: going to say, I'm British. British, asked somebody from AUSTRALI,

463
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 2: I'm Australian, you know, German. Here everything is broke down

464
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 2: by color, by color and racing. Like I said, I

465
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: don't know if it can, and I'm hoping that all

466
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 2: this dies out one day, but I think the only

467
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 2: way you get rid of it is by not a

468
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 2: race in history, but by letting people know that this

469
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 2: is what happens when things get out of control.

470
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: Right right, I mean.

471
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 3: And we had like a very powerful screen and just

472
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 3: the other night with that were actually.

473
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: With the fire walk that's happened.

474
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Speaker 3: You talked about a film like cycle and at the

475
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 3: end in the Q and A I've clearly expressed to

476
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 3: them was the fact that, like to me, it becomes

477
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 3: a point of reprogramming as well, Like we all programmed,

478
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 3: like you said, to think a certain way, to feel

479
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 3: a certain way about each other, and to me, psychical

480
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 3: kind of helps to reprogram all of us.

481
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I would tell you, like I said,

482
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: I'm from Cleveland or how originally. I think one of

483
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 2: the best experiences I've ever seen was when I was

484
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 2: a child. Cleveland was very segregated at one time, Like

485
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure just like racing where you guys are from,

486
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 2: it's very segregated at one time. The black states on

487
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 2: the east side, the white state on the west side. Right,

488
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: So after elementary they started busting us, right, bussing came

489
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: into effect and we went to the west side. We

490
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 2: went to a school and I remember there was a

491
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 2: white supremacist office right across the free from the school,

492
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: and I saw this white power thing, and I was

493
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: always wondering, like what is that? What is white power?

494
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 2: You know, I just didn't have a clue. So we

495
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: went to school, right, and uh huh. It was one

496
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: of those things to where I or to get the

497
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: white friends. And I started asking my mom, Hey, can

498
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 2: I go over Tommy's house this weekend? Well, who is Tommy?

499
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,959
Speaker 2: Where does he live at on the west at Oh no,

500
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 2: You're not going over there. They would accuse you of

501
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 2: stealing something. You know, so it was that, and then

502
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 2: I had friends that would come to my house and

503
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,239
Speaker 2: I really learned that we weren't two wits different from

504
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: each other. And I think that's the way you kind

505
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: of conquer this stuff. But I don't know as a

506
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 2: white woman lived in this country. Lord, do you think

507
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: it's possible.

508
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 5: Well, I'll say that, you know, the goal that we

509
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 5: had with Cycle initially was to at least connect the

510
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 5: dots of how everything is structured, to at least give

511
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 5: provide a fuller picture of a how we got here

512
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 5: and be how realistic it is for it to change.

513
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 5: And I unfortunately kind of share your view in that, like,

514
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 5: don't I don't know if this can change, like realistically,

515
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 5: especially with the administration we have now and everything playing

516
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 5: out the way that it is at an increasingly like

517
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 5: you know, like dystopian rate that we're at right now.

518
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 5: But I think that it's really key for especially white

519
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 5: people to understand the historical through lines in the larger

520
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 5: systemic issues that are interconnected to so much like politically

521
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 5: and societally going back decades centuries in this country. And

522
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 5: then the really beautiful thing that you know resolves itself

523
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 5: within Cycle, which was not planned necessarily.

524
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 8: One thing I want to note is that you know.

525
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 5: Will provides this beautifully introspective poetry that's that's essentially the

526
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 5: cartilage that takes you through the entire film. So you

527
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 5: hear Will's voice throughout the whole film, and those moments

528
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 5: of reflection from him were recorded in with years apart

529
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 5: from each other, and they were in response to these

530
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 5: like almost writing prompts that I gave him, and then

531
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 5: he would go into a studio and in one take

532
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 5: record what you hear as what became the narration and

533
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 5: the ending narration at the very end of the film.

534
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,239
Speaker 5: You know, I really like to point out that he

535
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 5: recorded that a month before we premiered it at the

536
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 5: Milwaukee Film Festival a year ago, and that was six

537
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 5: years after we started this.

538
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 8: And you can hear sort of like.

539
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 5: The I don't want to call it defeat, but you

540
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 5: could hear like the resignation in his voice and said,

541
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 5: I'm not sure if my internet just paused for a second.

542
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 5: You can hear like your resignation in his voice and

543
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 5: the conclusion that he comes to, which is realistically, I

544
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 5: don't think we can break these cycles, but we can

545
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 5: at least break the cycles within ourselves and to extend

546
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 5: that invitation out of love and to extend that bridge

547
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 5: that we can create with a film like this. That

548
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 5: is where the magic is, I think, and that's what

549
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 5: I believe in right now.

550
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: Well, really, I think that's what it's going to take. Laura,

551
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 2: you one hundred percent right, and I'm glad you agree

552
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 2: with me. I think we all like to have this

553
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 2: idea in our mind that oh, we're going to one

554
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: day all come together her and hold hands and get along. No,

555
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: there's too much history, right, There's a lot of stuff

556
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: that needs to be fixed. Right, there's a lot of stuff.

557
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: The biggest thing to curing a problem is admitting you have.

558
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

559
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: The other one is yet to become in an office

560
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: and say, you know what, we've done a great harm

561
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: to the African Americans in this country, to the Andeans,

562
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: to everyone else when we conquer you know, we've conquered

563
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: this land, right, and we've had the million over everything

564
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: so long in which you're starting to see right now,

565
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: it's almost like a fear. And I'm not going to

566
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: say white America, but white men is specific to where

567
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: they don't feel like they're as dominant, dominant as they

568
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: once were. So they're trying to hold on to whatever

569
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: power they may feel right, to whatever power they you know,

570
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: feel that they deserve. So it's almost like if you've

571
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: been whooping somebody's ass next door to you for the

572
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: last sixty years, if he places you in the face

573
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: one day, you gonna feel like he did wrong, not you,

574
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: because you've been accustomed to just have in your way right,

575
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: And I think right like, and I don't want to

576
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: stray too much for from the politics and nothing, but

577
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: like you said, with the administration we have in this

578
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: country now, just with the way our system is, just structure,

579
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,719
Speaker 2: it's all. It makes it impossible because I'm seeing them

580
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: right now before my eyes. You have to look at

581
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: where we are in the country. We're under martial law

582
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: right now, and nobody is even talking about it. Nobody's

583
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: saying anything. That's not natural for guys to ride around

584
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: in the truck and just jump out the snacks people

585
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: out there fucking cars. Man, that's like insane. You have

586
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: a president. I don't know if he's drunk half the

587
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: time or what's going on with him, but he says

588
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: the most wild stuff and it's just like, I'm like,

589
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: this has to be a movie. I don't know if

590
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: you ever saw the movie. It was a movie that

591
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: was made by Mike Judges and it was about this

592
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: guy who went to the future somehow idiocracy.

593
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 4: Idiocracy.

594
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you guys ever seen that?

595
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: Yes, it's almost like been those times right now, because

596
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: if you would have told me this twenty years got

597
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: to be like, man, get the fuck out of here. Man,

598
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: that's not going to happen.

599
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 7: Age.

600
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: It did age really well. And one of the things

601
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: I've learned is like, by me having white family members,

602
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: it's I don't see color with them. It's just the

603
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: craziest thing. When I go home, I get my I

604
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: don't even call my step When I get mom's a

605
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: hug and he hey, you want something to eat? I

606
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: think your brother he's over there. Do you want to go?

607
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: And it's just like, because I love her, she's a

608
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: human being, and we're all human beings at the end

609
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: of the day. Right And with that being said, I

610
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: think we have to acknowledge the problems we have and

611
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: fix those. I don't know if reparations is to answer,

612
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: but it would be a good start, you know. I

613
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: think the good start would be, let's stop killing, stop

614
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: killing our kids, because if you will see the little

615
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: looking Tyese's mama's face, man, it looks like that woman

616
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: on lost her soul twice all it looks like she's dead,

617
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: but she's still alive and she's just an autopilot. And

618
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: it has to be the most horrific thing ever because

619
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: children are supposed to bury her parents, not the reverse.

620
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: That's just a very unnatural thing. And and for her

621
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: to have to go through, because I'm pretty sure she

622
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: doesn't have the money to just up and leave. I

623
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to be there anymore. But she has to

624
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: see this guy in the community still. That has to

625
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: be heroin for her. That has to be horrible, horrible feeling.

626
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: And this wasn't exactly national news. And I feel horrible

627
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: because prior to shut out to Steve, or prior to

628
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: him telling me about it, that was the first time

629
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: I ever heard of it. Man, that's happening, and it's horrific,

630
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: and oh man, it's it's a lot to process. I

631
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: feel very I feel bad just for the family as

632
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: a whole man, because you have to see this guy

633
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: every day probably I'm pretty sure there's not a week

634
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: that doesn't go by it. They don't hear this dude,

635
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: that they don't see this guy because racing, yeah, it's.

636
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 4: Not big at all.

637
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 5: And just recently Monique walked into either Rizon Irelift US

638
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 5: Skillers like that aunt, there was incident happening with someone

639
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 5: having some sort of episode in the US cellular store

640
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 5: and the responding officer was after Ghee and here is

641
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 5: trying to like prest and detain somebody as Monique walks

642
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 5: in and find a paid phone bit and she records

643
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 5: it on his phone on her phone, and I think

644
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 5: that he saw her and then maybe like or something.

645
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 4: I have no idea.

646
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 5: She she told about that that she happened like within

647
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 5: the last few months.

648
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 8: So yes, it's it's a very real thing for her.

649
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 5: And then you also acknowledged earlier the the other mother

650
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 5: we here from cycle who then wasn't killed in a

651
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 5: lot of ways, he had you know, a different type

652
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 5: of death work. Yes, Michael's and they also they still

653
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 5: live in the same area the scene well, and because

654
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 5: of the beating that Geezy imposed on him all those

655
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:53,479
Speaker 5: years ago, he has severe brain damage and so at

656
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 5: the time that he needs help if he's having an episode,

657
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 5: Geezy is one of the officers who responds. I mean,

658
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 5: like that's the type of like just insane that goes

659
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 5: on small towns like this, where and things like this

660
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 5: happen and then they're swept under the rug and you know,

661
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 5: there's no community pressure and they can just go on

662
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 5: as business as usual, and the people who are victimized

663
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 5: by it are just left with suffering. Like you know,

664
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 5: she's been haunted by that day now for going on

665
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 5: thirteen years. And that's and yeah, so I mean, just

666
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 5: like the terror that one officer has fought and incrementally

667
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 5: he just keeps getting promoted and keeps being this public

668
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 5: facing individual is mind blowing. And I don't think it's

669
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 5: something that people really consider. You hear about these really

670
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 5: gruesome incidents that go viral. You know, like Tyree was

671
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 5: always meant to represent all of the inms that go vital.

672
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 5: Don't get that moment shot at at least give the

673
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 5: family recognition a theory least, and can drum up some

674
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 5: of that community pressure to at least get him off

675
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 5: the force. None of that has happened, which is why

676
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 5: he's still for say, I mean you guys have.

677
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 2: To excuse me because I'm a little fucking mad right now.

678
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: I would just punch this guy in the face if

679
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: I could, Like seriously, I do worse than if I could.

680
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: But we will be careful, man, because I think this

681
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 2: dude probably I think this dude is well, he's we

682
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: already know he's a murderer. But I wouldn't be surprised

683
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: if he's has whacked a few people who got in

684
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: his way. I wouldn't be surprised, man, because people like that.

685
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: That's just not normal. Now. I've seen instance as to

686
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: where a police officer has to use force, but you

687
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: could look in that officer's face and tail that like, man,

688
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: that's not what I wanted to do, but I'm probably

689
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: gonna die. You know, this dude didn't have any remorse, man,

690
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: he doesn't have any remorse. It's like, this is what

691
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: he does. I'm obligeted to just go out and kill

692
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: Maine and torture and he has to get off on that.

693
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 2: If you don't have any kind of if something doesn't

694
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 2: tell you in your mind that's wrong, something that is

695
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: very wrong. He has a problem. He probably has. He

696
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: possibly had psychological issues. I don't. And I don't know

697
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: where the discipline was at, because, like you said, he

698
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 2: destroyed poor Michael. He didn't kill him, but he came

699
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: within an inch of killing him and no discipline and wow,

700
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: so you can ruin the kid his life. Let me

701
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: ask you this man, because the irony of this is

702
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: that the police chief is your uncle. As I stated earlier,

703
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: have you ever had that chance to have dialogue kind

704
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: of like off the record with him about this.

705
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: No, actually he won't speak about this.

706
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 3: And it's crazy because like his sister, like, we actually

707
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: have always had a really good relationship.

708
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: Shit, that's my father's youngest sibling.

709
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 3: I think she always felt kind of the just the

710
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 3: motherly you know, filling out all of her brothers to say, hey,

711
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: let me make sure I'm connected with my nephew. Me

712
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 3: and my uncle we never shared like any of those things,

713
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: like and I mean, like to the point that this

714
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: man stood in my father's funeral because my father passed

715
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: in the midst of all of this as well, and

716
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 3: the man stood at the funeral.

717
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: Was like, yeah, he was more of a father than

718
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: me and his own kids.

719
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: So I'm like the shots never like even my daughter

720
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 3: looked at me, like what the so like the shots

721
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: they never stopped telling like you know what I mean,

722
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: And I don't know, like what kind of mentality you're like,

723
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 3: But those students here, like boy, he was raised on it.

724
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: Because even my grandfather, his father, I was a good man.

725
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 3: Like to me, it's just like they don't day I

726
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: don't know, they don't carry the spirit of them, Like

727
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 3: even my father. You know, my mother never said a

728
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 3: bad thing about my father, but you know, he was

729
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 3: addicted to drugs his entire life. And so I think

730
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 3: my uncle a lot of times felt the need to

731
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 3: always stay separated from those things because he was always

732
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 3: being kind of primed and you know, to be the

733
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 3: chief of police. I called him chief when I was

734
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 3: a kid. I didn't even know he was the chief yet,

735
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: Like so that was set up. They was already you know,

736
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 3: getting him ready to be that. And so to me, yeah,

737
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 3: that relationship never was there. That responsibility, he never felt

738
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 3: like it was his. And as I grew and me

739
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 3: and myself taking the responsibility to my own community and

740
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 3: knowing that okay, I'm putting out these albums, I'm doing this,

741
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 3: I'm doing that, Like I started to feel a responsibility

742
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 3: even to what I'm saying and to what I'm putting out.

743
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 3: So to me, it was like, I have to hold

744
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 3: somebody like him accountable because if I don't, then what

745
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 3: am I saying to my community that oh, because that's

746
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: your uncle, he can get away with it.

747
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: So I had to.

748
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: Really step up and you know, in that moment and

749
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: choose to be the leader that I am.

750
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: He needs to be held accountable not just by the

751
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: black community, but by the community as a whole, because

752
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: that's a that's a very dangerous situation that everybody involved.

753
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: Like I said, he's just but it's not like he's

754
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: out there just hurting black people. You know. Here the

755
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,959
Speaker 2: white kid too, and it had no problems with it. Man,

756
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 2: Like you said, if he has an episode, that kid

757
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 2: has to see him again, which I'm pretty sure you know,

758
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: he pushes him to act out even more. Right, What

759
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: I think is this, right. I was looking at the

760
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: Selma Powerful movie right just a few weeks ago, and

761
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: one of the things I noticed was that there were

762
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: a lot of white people that died right along with

763
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: the black people from fighting for what they believed. And

764
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: I was looking at this one couple and forgive me

765
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: for not knowing their names, but it was just real

766
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 2: deep to me. They were school teachers and they couldn't

767
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: get the job for like thirty years, long after everything

768
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: was supposed to be kind of clear. They still had

769
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: the animosity and all you chose to help them do this.

770
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: So you're in trouble now. And I think that's what

771
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: it's going to take because there are a lot of

772
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: white folks that don't like this shit. Just like me.

773
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: You don't like it. They think it's wrong. Every white

774
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: person out there doesn't share the same opinion. And I

775
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: wish I could say it was a small but it

776
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: was a minority of people, but there. I think when

777
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: this guy got elected to office, you saw everybody that

778
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: had those feelings inside. They kind of just came out

779
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: like fuck, yeah, I can say what I want to now,

780
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: you know. And it's bad. I had. I had had

781
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: more than a few incidents to where people are just

782
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: becoming more brazen with their words and their actions, especially

783
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 2: if you were in there community, right, And I think

784
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: that's what it's going to take. You have to have

785
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: some level of accountability, and I just don't see it

786
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: being enforced now. And I think one of the goals, man.

787
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: One of the things with a project like cycle is

788
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: it brings stuff to light, stuff that people kind of want,

789
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: you know, go away to keep shining the light on it. Right.

790
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: You ever seeing a roaches like our roach kind of

791
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: towers when you turn off, you know, they crawl in

792
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: the darkness, right, but when you turn the light they

793
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: run from the light. Right. You have to keep the

794
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 2: spotlight in these roaches, man. And that's and that's what

795
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: I think this is going to do. Because, like I said,

796
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: it wasn't national news, but it was horrific. This is

797
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: one of the most horrific things I've ever heard in

798
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: my life. And why I've heard a lot of things,

799
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: you know, when it comes to police brutality, right, this

800
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: is bad, man. Like I think every child in the

801
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: community right now has some sort of PTSD. It's just

802
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: all around us, you know, from the police brutality to

803
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: the news you know, people hearing stuff right there for

804
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: even to the music. Right. Everything is just bad right now, man,

805
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: And it's been that way, and this is just not

806
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: like a recent thing. Is really bad right now. And

807
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: I wish I had some kind of solution, but I don't.

808
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's it's kind of crazy that you

809
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: brought up something because like we literally did discuss that

810
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: film when I was telling l one day that like

811
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 3: that was literally the first film that I had seen

812
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 3: that foke to that, that spoke to the white people

813
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: who stood in, who fought, who died. And I said,

814
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 3: and I realized in that moment that like, damn, that's

815
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: the problem, Like if people don't hear these stories.

816
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: If I'm a young white man, young white.

817
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 3: Woman, and I've never heard these stories of these white

818
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: but they made sure that Parker that white.

819
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: Which is why, like I.

820
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: Always told ILL, like no matter where we go, no

821
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 3: matter where I take this film, like I don't give

822
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: a damn who don't like white people like you are

823
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 3: the person that showed up. You are the person when

824
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 3: I prayed, the I showed up. She was putting up

825
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 3: every dollar before we ever.

826
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: Had an investor.

827
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: She put up, like you said, her life in dangers.

828
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 3: She put her career and danger all to tell this story.

829
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: And so for me, like I have to stand up.

830
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 3: I have to always make sure that I'm representing that

831
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: I'm always you know what I mean. Her biggest should

832
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 3: be to her biggest fan because hear right, I don't

833
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 3: exist in this.

834
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: Realm as you should. And I think that's very important

835
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: to stay in hand and in right because there were

836
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 2: a lot of white folks that died man for us

837
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: to get in. And I say this to say this,

838
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: I think that if there weren't white folks to help

839
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: the shed the light on what was going on in

840
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: the South, it may still be going on. It may

841
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: still be going on, especially during that time right in

842
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: like now, I think just we're at it, you know,

843
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: we're at a place right now to where we're almost

844
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 2: like like it's the water in the pot is about

845
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: boil over. Right, you know you had the parent in

846
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: Cincinnati that ran the cop over with the car. I

847
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: think people are starting to get fed up and we're

848
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: going to start really seeing some many things. Man. I

849
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 2: think this is just a tip of the iceberg. Because

850
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 2: what happens when you put too much air in a balloon,

851
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: it pops eventually, right. I think things are about to

852
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: pop pretty soon because I've been seeing this. It's like

853
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: almost like clockwork, Like every few years there's something that

854
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: happens that's just horrible and you have to ask, like

855
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: how much longer does this shit go, because like, how

856
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: much longer am I supposed to put up this? Now?

857
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: Not only do I have to worry about police, but

858
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 2: I got to worry about these ice guys just running

859
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: around and jumping out on you. And they you know,

860
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: I tell every black person I know, oh man, it

861
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 2: ain't my business. They just fucking with the masking people. Man,

862
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: don't believe that shit is pretty soon they're gonna be

863
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 2: on your ass. You better pay attention to what's going

864
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: on because they just don't stop there. You have a continuency,

865
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: see a contingency of people that believe that me and

866
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: you don't long here, and they will kill you lord

867
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: and say you a sellout, hang you right along with us.

868
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: I think it's very scary. Man. Have you received any

869
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: sort of threats behind this movie yet? Behind this piece

870
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: of content Bind a bin Cycle?

871
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 5: Since it's been up. I partly credit that to so

872
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 5: few people have seen it yet in the context of

873
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 5: how many people we expect eventually to see it, you know,

874
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 5: racing and unpleasant, this takes place feeling pressure. They fully

875
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 5: thought over the six years it took to make this

876
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 5: film that it was never going to happen, that even

877
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 5: though all of the future power players in the city.

878
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 5: This has been on their radar ever since we spent

879
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 5: requesting those open records, et cetera.

880
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 8: You know, they we've been on their radar this whole time,

881
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 8: and they have once knowledged us. And it's not until Cycle.

882
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 4: In this story.

883
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 5: It's the recognition and the and and they feel the

884
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 5: pressure from outside of Wisconsin will any change. And that's

885
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 5: part of our mission getting film out there. But beyond that,

886
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 5: what the film represents, it's it's the historical through lines

887
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 5: that that has always been a part of the Cycle,

888
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 5: and it is all components that connected us to how

889
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 5: it's going to continue if it's not interrupted in the

890
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 5: conversations that we have, in the relationships that we build

891
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 5: with each other, and in the skills that are to

892
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 5: breath in ourselves, and that will beautifully shows us at

893
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 5: the end of the film.

894
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 4: And so it is.

895
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 8: It's always been bigger than a film for us.

896
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 5: We've always felt a higher purpose with Cycle, but we

897
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 5: have never been able to look point and it feels

898
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 5: like it's just now.

899
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 4: Kind of snacking into focus at this time.

900
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 5: I mean, we started this film in twenty nineteen, a

901
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 5: year before George Floyd was murdered a year before the

902
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 5: uprising happened in the way that you know, like first,

903
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 5: like the waking happened in twenty twenty for all the

904
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 5: people who weren't paying attention.

905
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 8: To Trayvon Martin a few years before that.

906
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 5: Because it happens again sickletly, and then the silence sets in.

907
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 5: People forget you said, takes thing out terrific happened to

908
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 5: start the conversations again.

909
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 8: When we premiered this a year ago, almost a year.

910
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 5: Ago in May of twenty twenty five, you were feeming

911
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 5: it as oh, cyle was interrupting the silence and breaking silent.

912
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 4: Now it's not that silence.

913
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 5: Now, I feel like cycle is coming in at the

914
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 5: perfect time again to show you sort of this blueprint

915
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,959
Speaker 5: of the cycle. That's why we take take you through

916
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 5: step the site and show you how it perpetuates, because

917
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:06,479
Speaker 5: we need that more than ever.

918
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 8: I mean, one of the ways that will put.

919
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 5: It in an interview that we did a few months

920
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 5: ago that was that I still think about is how

921
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 5: suchle is a form of ptychological it's in vantaged against

922
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 5: logical warfare and by being able to connect the dots

923
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 5: in this way. It's it is only like to your point,

924
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 5: the education, the awareness, that's our only real ammunition to

925
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,479
Speaker 5: fight this battle right now.

926
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: One of the things that my wife told me one

927
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: thing one day. My wife's Mexican by the way, you know,

928
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: and she told me one day she said, you know,

929
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: we were looking at a god. He was being arrested

930
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: by the police and he was cussing them out. He

931
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: was talking, and you know, my wife says something. She said,

932
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 2: you know, you get people more mad when you talk intelligent,

933
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 2: you know, you get And that's what I tell our

934
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: young people. I say, man, you know what, you can't

935
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: perpetuate stereotypes that people have of you. You can't do that.

936
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: Be who you are. I'm not against that because I'm

937
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 2: a product of hip hop culture, right, I'm not talking

938
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: about that. Be who you are. Be unapologetically black at

939
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: all times. But being unapologetically black doesn't mean being ignorant.

940
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: You feel me, And I think we just have to

941
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: change our mindset, man, because I think sometimes, man, I

942
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 2: believe that people have been programmed, people have been psychologically

943
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: programmed to act a certain way because those are the

944
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: images that they've seen all their lives. Right, if you

945
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 2: get somebody telling you, man every day of your life,

946
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: that's you're a piece of shit. And you ain't go

947
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: up mout to nohing. Guess what you go turn into.

948
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: Eventually turn into a piece of shit. You'll turn into

949
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: a human being that's been conditioned to believe what he's

950
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 2: been told the whole time. I remember, coming from a

951
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 2: place like Ohio, I understand fully with racing and may

952
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: be like I remember when I transferred from Cleveland and

953
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: went out to Bravanna, these people try to put me

954
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: in They soon because I came from the Cleveland school

955
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: district that I had a learning disability, no testing or nothing,

956
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: they put me in these classes. My mom came away

957
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 2: from Cleveland and said, what the hell are y'all doing

958
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 2: for my son? And so they went and gave me

959
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: a test. Came to find out I was like in

960
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: the top one percent of the school as far as intelligence,

961
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: you know. And you got situations like that, And I

962
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 2: look back on the things that have happened in my life,

963
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: didn't when I didn't realize they were necessarily racist racial moments,

964
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: and it's kind of traumatizing. It's not kind of it

965
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 2: was traumatizing. It's a scary thing. And I really fear

966
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 2: for you guys. And that's not and I'm not saying

967
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: that lightly, and I'm praying, hoping to God that nothing

968
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: ever happens. But people don't like to be brought to life.

969
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 9: People don't like to be called to the car the bullshit,

970
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 9: especially people like him. Yeah, definitely, especially people like him,

971
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 9: because he's already proven that he don't mind whooping ass,

972
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 9: you don't mind killing people. And so you guys got

973
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 9: a cycle path pretty much running around to see they

974
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 9: got a license to do whatever he wants to. And

975
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 9: you got a dude that's the chiefs, the head guy

976
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 9: in charge, that don't want to do nothing. And I

977
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 9: don't know what it deals. I don't know if he

978
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 9: doesn't want to because I'm pretty sure the majority of

979
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 9: that police off force is white.

980
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, is that like uh with my uncle?

981
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: He was forced to retire like literally maybe like right

982
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 3: after we put out our first trailer in twenty twenty.

983
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Man, they told him, you got

984
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 2: you letting you, You allow your nephew to do this

985
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 2: shit with that sellout, this that he running with. And

986
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you they can't stand it, man, and

987
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: I not know how people like that operate that cowards,

988
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: so they do everything in the dark and under their bags.

989
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 2: They hide behind that bags and take that as a news.

990
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: I got a license to do whatever going to to you.

991
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 2: And it's a bad situation that people need to see

992
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 2: this movie. I'm gonna tell you. The more people that

993
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: see this, the more you go force him in to

994
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: hide until eventually he's gonna have to lead that job.

995
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: Mhm.

996
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 2: Because I'm pretty sure the thing is right now, Nobody

997
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: outside of Racine don't really know who he is. But

998
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: if they see cycle, he's not gonna be able to

999
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: travel the way he used to. If he goes I

1000
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: don't know if he got a wife or not, but

1001
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: if he goes somewhere, people gonna look at him on

1002
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: the airplane and say, that's that motherfucker right there. To

1003
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: kill that guy. People are gonna look at him. He's

1004
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 2: gonna have a scarlet loser scarlet letter that they had.

1005
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 2: He's gonna have a scarlet letter on this forehead and

1006
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: people are just he's not gonna be able to hide

1007
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 2: at it. Because accountability comes and being persistent. You have

1008
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 2: to be persistent you can't never stop the mission of

1009
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 2: I would tell Monique, don't let these motherfuckers forget. Do

1010
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 2: not let them forget. Stay on top of the helmet.

1011
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: You have to stay on their head, huh. And I

1012
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: think that's the only way that that's the only way

1013
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: you get some sembilance of kind of like justice, because

1014
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 2: right now there is no justice in this country, none

1015
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: at all, not in La, not a Racine. It's like

1016
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 2: the only difference between LA and Racine is that there's

1017
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 2: more people out here. And these people out here will

1018
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: act up if you know that they were historically, they

1019
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: would act up, you know, when in justice occurs. And

1020
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: I don't even know if that's necessarily to answer anymore,

1021
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: because we got a guy that's allowing the military to

1022
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 2: come in and get involved if they need be, you know, which.

1023
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: Is unheard of.

1024
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: I've never heard of a president turned the military on

1025
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: his own citizens, right right.

1026
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 3: And to me, like I said, Psychle, it doesn't just

1027
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 3: represent like the moment with Tyres and Rabbit. It also

1028
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 3: this six years also represent what man l went through

1029
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 3: because that shit wasn't just all peaches and cream, like

1030
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It was so much that

1031
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 3: we had fight because yeah, at the same time you said,

1032
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 3: it's people on my side who are feeling like, why

1033
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 3: the fuck is you doing this?

1034
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: People on her side saying the same shit, which is

1035
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: cause friction between even between the both of us.

1036
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 3: And so there were moments when even I walked away

1037
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 3: from this shit because I'm not understanding like truth film

1038
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 3: making it and what this shit was going to take

1039
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 3: about a time, and so for her to be like

1040
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 3: constantly carrying me through moments where she understood that, like

1041
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 3: like you said, it's our trauma, like constantly triggering every emotion.

1042
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 2: Out of us, exactly, and it's everywhere it surrounds us.

1043
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 2: If you go on Instagram right now, you gonna see

1044
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: a video of somebody getting their ass for and it's

1045
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: always usually a nine nine sense a racial thing, and

1046
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 2: I think I almost think it's about design. I'm a

1047
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 2: bit of a conspiracy theorist, and I think that all

1048
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: of this stuff is a design, Like where do these

1049
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 2: videos come from? A people just like is he just

1050
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 2: a black dude whooping a white man's ass or the

1051
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 2: vice versa, And it's like where is all this stuff

1052
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: coming from? Like where does all this come from? When

1053
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 2: I had to feel for you too, Lauren, because I'm

1054
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 2: pretty sure you catching some flag from yours, from your community.

1055
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: You probably have people wondering why you want to get

1056
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 2: involved with this.

1057
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 4: Thing that they've said to my face.

1058
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 5: But I am not oblivious to the fact that those

1059
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 5: conversations are probably happening.

1060
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 4: And I'm not in the room, but I think.

1061
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 8: I you not hearing it to back hind what we'll

1062
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:32,240
Speaker 8: be saying.

1063
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 5: But you know, the last six going on seven years,

1064
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 5: I just have blinders on, you know, And it took

1065
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 5: that in order to create this film in the manner

1066
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 5: it just now. And in order to do that, I

1067
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 5: surely had to like go my own cave and not

1068
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 5: emerge until it was done. So I kind of inoculated

1069
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 5: myself from a lot of that those versations.

1070
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Al says she put her blood is on to

1071
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 2: the bs. You know, you almost have to, and I've had.

1072
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: You know, colorism in this country is a big size,

1073
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: is a big, huge problem for us. Both we have

1074
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: it in our community in the black community. You know,

1075
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 2: you used to have colorism to wear the light skin

1076
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 2: versus the dark skinned kid. Right, the whole good hair thing, right,

1077
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: you know, good air, you have good hair. What the

1078
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 2: fuck is good hair?

1079
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 5: Right?

1080
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: And you added vice versa dark skinned people not liking

1081
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 2: light skinned people, then you had it to where mixed

1082
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 2: people would get to where I'm starting to see mixed

1083
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 2: people forming their own communities knowledge. They're not claiming nobody,

1084
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 2: just saying we're us, we're our own community, which I

1085
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 2: think is horrible because it's one of race. It's the

1086
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 2: human race. And I think the sooner we learn that,

1087
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 2: the better. I have a theory I rather really like

1088
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 2: strong theory. I don't think that this is the first civilization.

1089
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 2: I think that we've probably tried it maybe ten times

1090
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: on Earth before, to where it's been people that have

1091
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 2: reached the pinnacle of technology and everything else. Then to

1092
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 2: proof somebody does something stupid, and I guarantee you it

1093
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: always comes down to some racial ship. I guarantee you

1094
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 2: you know, or something stupid, right, and it's the it's

1095
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 2: the stupidest thing in the world. But just thinking about

1096
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 2: all the shit that's going on, Man, we have a

1097
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: kid that has lost his life and nobody is talking

1098
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: about it inn matter, and it's just almost that has

1099
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 2: been so normalized right now that it's like it's said,

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00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: well and look you.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is one of the most gruesome examples

1102
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 5: of this type of police violence that any like any

1103
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 5: person wouldever owner.

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00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 10: And yet it was so easy this story to completely

1105
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 10: get vaid because there was no witnesses, no dispatch audio

1106
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 10: that that actually caught the moments.

1107
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 4: You know, no body can footage de cam.

1108
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 2: And that's the thing, though, because how do we know

1109
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 2: that that's about the How do we know that's even

1110
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: that kid is good?

1111
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 4: How do we know exactly exactly.

1112
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 2: I'm a licensed Carryer'll carry a pistol with me everywhere.

1113
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 2: I got my car and everything. I don't care. I

1114
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 2: care if I'm in la I carry a pistol with

1115
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 2: me everywhere I go. Thank god I don't have to

1116
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 2: use it. But you have a guy, you know how,

1117
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 2: you have a kid, and the first thing they want

1118
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 2: to do is demonize people that way. They make it

1119
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 2: like they want to make you look less than human

1120
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: to kind of justify the action. Right, So they say

1121
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: this kid, he did this before, he did that, before

1122
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 2: he stole his grandmother's car. I can remember more than

1123
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: one steal a mama's car, my daddy's car, whenever I

1124
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 2: got the chance. That's just what you do when you're

1125
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 2: an idiot, the sixteen year old kid to look kid

1126
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 2: or whatever right.

1127
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 5: And the fact that he only the only reason that

1128
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 5: he like that that's on his record is that Monique

1129
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 5: was trying to teach him.

1130
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: A lesson and was trying to teach a lesson.

1131
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 5: It was disciplinary moments, tweet a mother, a son and

1132
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 5: then here that's their youth thing to prove that he's

1133
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 5: this hard criminal at eighteen that had it coming.

1134
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he we lost of life, waited too early

1135
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 2: because we would never know what that young man could

1136
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 2: have became, who his children may have with, his children

1137
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 2: may have with his offspring may have became. It's just sad.

1138
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 2: And I think that when I was in Japan, I

1139
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 2: noticed that the police officers didn't you don blas, had sticks,

1140
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 2: and they were very effective because there's not that much

1141
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 2: crime from Japan, so whatever they're doing is very effective.

1142
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 2: And I just wonder sometimes, man, if it's time to

1143
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 2: change things a little bit, if it's time, it's a

1144
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: time to switch up, because if you're forced to use

1145
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 2: your brain to come back and de escalate situations, which

1146
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: I don't know how a kid riding a bike at

1147
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 2: night time without no lights even to this, like, why

1148
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 2: are you even it's so much other shit. I'm pretty

1149
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,479
Speaker 2: sure that's gone and ricind, I'm pretty sure it's people

1150
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 2: getting raped, robbed and murdered and everything else. When you

1151
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 2: off her fuck with to keep in the bike. Come on, man,

1152
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 2: that is he's a bully.

1153
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he cornered them in a dark industrial

1154
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 5: area where no very flights are, no you know, buildings

1155
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 5: that had cameras even captured it.

1156
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 8: He literally cornered him in a.

1157
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 5: Dark like spot by himself. Keep in mind, he's the

1158
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 5: trolling officer that came in the car. He doesn't even

1159
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 5: have a partner with him, and so there's literally no

1160
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 5: witnesses and he is the remaining narrative of what happened

1161
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 5: that night and no.

1162
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: One will ever know. And your uncle just magically gets

1163
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 2: forced into retirement, right, and so this dude is just

1164
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 2: pretty much walking around with impunity and no one has

1165
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: heard this dude. Man. The sergeants, eezy, yep, you know what, man,

1166
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: he needs to become a household name. Whatever I gotta

1167
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: do to help you all do that. That will because

1168
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 2: people need to know who Sergeant Gez is. They need

1169
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 2: to know they need to find out that this motherfucky's

1170
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 2: got a Facebook page anything else and spamish shit with murder.

1171
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 2: We're all up and down. We need to force him

1172
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 2: to move somewhere and then when he go over there,

1173
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,479
Speaker 2: you have to run from there too. Yeah, we're gonna

1174
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 2: be on his ass. Man. I know you guys are

1175
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 2: hitting the festival circuit hard, but what is the plan like, like,

1176
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 2: like when do you got like what are you guys

1177
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: going forward with it? Are you guys thinking like Netflix,

1178
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 2: Hulu platform like that?

1179
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 5: So yeah, so right now we're still on the festival circuit.

1180
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 5: I not be for a filmmaker to acknowledge how the

1181
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 5: film landscape is at the moment for distribution, particularly for

1182
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 5: independent filmmakers. It is this moment where filmmakers really have

1183
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 5: to take distribution into their own hands. And so while

1184
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 5: we of course have this goal of cycle eventually ending

1185
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 5: up on a platform that makes.

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01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 8: It accessible for anyone.

1187
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 5: Watch it whenever that's what we want, the order for

1188
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 5: us to get it there, we need to be bringing

1189
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 5: into cities and communities across the country having conversations like this,

1190
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 5: filling theaters, me and will, having this dialogue with people

1191
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 5: as their processing film and have the like life changing

1192
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 5: things that we've had, like already, I mean we've taken

1193
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 5: it from Milwaukee to Brooklyn, to Miami to DC and

1194
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 5: then we're going to be in La Sweet for our

1195
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 5: West Most premiere at the Pan African Film Fundival Thursday, Sec.

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01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 5: Thirty pm at the Colar City Theater and that is

1197
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 5: going to be the first West Coast screening that we have.

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01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 8: And so we're really all sitting in.

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01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 5: The early phase of this whole process, and it's conversations

1200
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 5: like this is why we're grateful to have converse with

1201
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 5: you to stay because it's like this is what is

1202
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 5: going to put cycle on, get people's attention, and to

1203
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 5: put on there are and to create that stand for

1204
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 5: it because then on one of the major platforms.

1205
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 2: And is it and is it open to the public

1206
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 2: the screening.

1207
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, if you got.

1208
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 2: The information in the description, you guys need to come

1209
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 2: out and support this. It's an awesome, awesome documentary the

1210
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 2: way it was shot because like I said, I'm a

1211
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 2: batter that's in the you know, I'm in the creation right,

1212
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 2: and I thought from the covering Jeffs to the emotion

1213
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 2: of the vote, right, it's a it's a piece that

1214
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 2: pisces you off, and it should piss you off. If

1215
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 2: you're not pissed off by it, I think something is

1216
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: wrong with you. I believe as a father, is scared

1217
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 2: me that something like this could ever happen, and it

1218
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 2: is just it's horrible, you know. I give prayers man,

1219
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 2: to Monique, man and to let her know that, Man,

1220
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 2: I'm right with her, Man, And she has somebody praying

1221
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 2: for over here, because this is something she's glad to

1222
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 2: deal with for the rest of her life. This is

1223
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: never gonna go away.

1224
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 5: We've been to be able to take Cechnique with us

1225
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 5: to see that we're on so far, and so Monique

1226
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 5: will be with us in La next week.

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01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: That's good. Man. I want to give her a big

1228
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: hud man and tell her I love her, man, and

1229
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 2: you know I feel her, Man, because that's just a thing, man,

1230
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 2: Like we're losing, man, losing big time, man, and something

1231
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 2: needs to be done about this, man. And it's not

1232
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,479
Speaker 2: gonna take March, and it's not March is not gonna

1233
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 2: be the solution.

1234
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 3: Man.

1235
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 2: I have some ideas, Man, I probably don't need to

1236
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 2: be saying here. I don't want to lose my deal

1237
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 2: what I are. So we'll talk. Man. I thank you

1238
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 2: guys for coming on. Man, I thank you guys for

1239
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 2: being brave and fighting a good fight and not being cowards.

1240
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: Thank you, man, thank you for having.

1241
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 2: Because it's a lot harder to do what you guys

1242
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 2: are doing. Your racine Wisconsin. Then it will get Los Angeles.

1243
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 2: You know, I can hide around a lot of people,

1244
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 2: a police officer probably, you know. I live in a

1245
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 2: pretty cool area. But they're not going you know, they're

1246
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 2: not able to move around like they are over there.

1247
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 5: Man.

1248
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 2: That guys are roakes, many crossed in the dark corners. Man,

1249
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 2: So we got to keep shedding the light on them. Man,

1250
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 2: you guys, make sure. I wish I could tell him,

1251
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 2: Man where to go? Watch this a man? Make sure

1252
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 2: y'all come to the fool get address again? What's the

1253
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 2: address at the film festival?

1254
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: Yep.

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01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 5: So it will be played at the Pan African Film

1256
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 5: Festival at the Culver City Theater next Thursday, February nineteen

1257
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 5: at six thirty, and we.

1258
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 8: Will be there, West be there, and it'll be a

1259
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 8: beautiful night.

1260
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 5: We'll have a short Q and A after the screening,

1261
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,439
Speaker 5: but after that will and I will just be there

1262
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 5: to talk with who remembers there and just make it

1263
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 5: a whole thing. So we're excited, and yes, please like

1264
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 5: come tell your friends anyone that would not just be interested,

1265
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 5: but particularly interested, and you know, as you know a

1266
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 5: microphone speaking, well, bring them to because the more people

1267
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 5: know about Cycle, the more people will have the ability

1268
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 5: to see it.

1269
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 2: All right, for sure? Did you guys have it? Man?

1270
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 2: Thank you guys for coming on. Do you guys have

1271
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 2: a social media pace for the project?

1272
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 3: The ass Cycle movie on Instagram will though it's as

1273
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 3: Cycle movie.

1274
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 2: Do you guys have any clips of it up there?

1275
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 8: Yes?

1276
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 2: Yes? Can you guys make sure? Man, you guys go

1277
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 2: give them a follow man and watch this powerful man

1278
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 2: get a dose of this powerful project. Man. Then tell

1279
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 2: a friend, because that's the that's how this has to happen. Man.

1280
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 2: We have to make this move organically, man, through the

1281
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 2: through the internet. Internet. So all right, on that note,

1282
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 2: we're out of here. I'll check you all out next week.

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01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,480
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