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Speaker 1: Talk, let's talk talk to We're just two unapologetically black

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Speaker 1: women with an opinion who talks.

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Speaker 2: What's up y'all?

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Speaker 3: Thank you for tuning that for a new episode of

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Speaker 3: We Talked Back, a show dedicated to these niggas in

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Speaker 3: you hoes E ESU girl A J.

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Speaker 2: Holliday. What is that? I don't know? What's up?

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Speaker 1: Girl? Y'all was tearing.

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Speaker 2: Bam. I love y'all.

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Speaker 1: Thank y'all for tuning in again. We missed y'all since

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Speaker 1: last Thursday.

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Speaker 2: How was your weekend?

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Speaker 1: Girl?

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Speaker 2: Rainy?

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Speaker 3: It was rainy this weekend, but I did manage to

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Speaker 3: get out the house, put my face on, took a

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Speaker 3: goddamn gummy and didn't really make it out the house.

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Speaker 1: Damn because of the gummy. Yeah, you and your little

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Speaker 1: gummy situation. Because I remember just a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: ago you had another gummy situation. Are you a gummy addict?

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Speaker 4: Mal?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I like deep sleep.

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Speaker 3: Me and my homegirl said we was gonna make some

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Speaker 3: T shirts that say I love to lay down, Because bitch,

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Speaker 3: what I tell you, I love to lay down. Don't

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Speaker 3: let me lay down. I had my mind made up.

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Speaker 3: I was going out I laid down with a face

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Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you what I did on Friday.

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Speaker 1: I bit sixteen and a half miles in forty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: That's the most I've ever done. The most I've ever

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Speaker 2: She had down her bikes. They got time, said shin

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Speaker 1: I don't know, girl, I look go to I go

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Speaker 1: today cycle bar.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they got shoing bikes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I go there. I'll go today at I thirty.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love spin class, I love smart girl.

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Speaker 1: That is my new favorite shit to do. And then

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Speaker 1: after that, I saw a little baby. It was random,

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Speaker 1: one of my friends from a capitol. He was here

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Speaker 1: with baby and was like, come on, I got a

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Speaker 1: I walked past all my old niggas up to the front,

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Speaker 3: Excuse me, excellent, excellent.

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Speaker 1: I literally had to like walk past one of my

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Speaker 1: in the aisle. I was like, excuse me, move bitch.

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Speaker 1: I ain't say move bitch, but that's house. That's the

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Speaker 1: energy energy. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh that was so excellent.

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Speaker 3: Ain't nothing like a future flex? Yeah, the flex of

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Speaker 3: a nigga right quick. And that's really all because it

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Speaker 3: did rain. So after that, I just kind of chilled

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Speaker 1: Nothing else. Just a little quick flex on these holes,

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Speaker 1: puss as holes.

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Speaker 2: Listen, we're gonna start stupid that news off with a song.

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Speaker 1: A dude, I don't know the pain.

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Speaker 3: That's not stupid internet news. It's not, but it is news,

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Speaker 3: and it's taking.

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Speaker 2: I love fuck it ain't just a y'all.

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Speaker 1: Rest in peace to our good sister.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Irish from seven oh two, you know her sister

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Speaker 3: passed away in two thousand and eight from kwe Yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: Now they're saying she passed. I don't know why. They

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Speaker 3: I love seven o two man, that was one of

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Speaker 3: my favorite groups, Girl, Black Jade, s WV, all ofm

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Speaker 2: I don't know that kill missed it. We missed it.

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Speaker 1: We missed them. Yeah, So rest in peace to her

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Speaker 2: So now, yeah, g Z let's get the gz ass

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Speaker 3: So JZ and Jenny Mi are now getting a divorce

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Speaker 3: after two years of marriage and one baby later, Kay

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Speaker 3: know they always like to say, oh, it's always the

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Speaker 2: She was calling him the N word.

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Speaker 3: got with GIZI because you were what white men and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Now you got this black man who like.

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Speaker 1: Chill out that video on her talking about how she

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Speaker 1: has dark meat on the side, but white meat keeps

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Speaker 2: She was mad.

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Speaker 1: You think so I settled for you?

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Speaker 2: No, ain't no the way you think.

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Speaker 1: You settled for If dark meat is on the side

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Speaker 1: she that's a fucking slave owner, white bitch. Kind of

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Speaker 3: And you know, I was trying to point that shit

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Speaker 3: figure out, has this nigga?

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Speaker 2: No I seen this, like y'all haven't seen this, And

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Speaker 3: Video is resurfaced, and she actually said that live on

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Speaker 3: the real that black men are essentially a side like

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Speaker 3: macaroni and cheese or black eyed peas.

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Speaker 1: Well, wait, macaroni and cheese is very good, so you're.

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Speaker 2: Not just eating just that for dinner. I would, I would.

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Speaker 2: So I also saw this other document, I mean see it.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I also saw this other post where this girl

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Speaker 2: So Jeezi filed for divorce June fifteenth, now.

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Speaker 1: Right before Juneteenth. She wants to call her a nigga

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Speaker 1: on this fourteenth, and you were like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: it's June, it's about to be juneteenth, and I'm not

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Speaker 3: So you know, she recently she was posting videos even

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Speaker 2: Like, so to me, she's been trying to save face

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Speaker 2: face we.

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Speaker 1: Don't marriage why or maybe trying to save their marriage.

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Speaker 1: You know, she probably want him as her husband still,

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Speaker 2: I hate you know, I hate that.

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Speaker 1: I hate to see another black child without their dad

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Speaker 2: But who did we not see it coming.

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Speaker 3: It's almost like they think they're gonna get different, treated

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Speaker 2: It doesn't have any color to it. So we don't

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Speaker 3: But I think that black men assume that other groups

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Speaker 3: We're gonna always shut the fuck up.

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Speaker 2: And it's just not true.

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Speaker 3: That's a personality trait. You don't know what you're gonna

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Speaker 3: get from anybody, right, you know what I'm saying. But

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Speaker 3: Black women are seen to be like the most hard

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Speaker 3: We got a lot of shit to have an attitude about. Okay,

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Speaker 3: very long time. But if a black man has followed

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Speaker 3: for divorce from your ass, I need to know why.

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Speaker 3: I really really want to know why. And I never invested.

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Speaker 3: Yeah the man, So I think she's sick. She gives

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Speaker 2: But I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we'll see some more about this story later on

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Speaker 3: to actually understand why.

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Speaker 2: But they do have a prenup.

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Speaker 3: They got the prenup actually the day before they got married,

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Speaker 2: Who knows. We'll see what happens though. Well, good luck

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Speaker 2: to both of them. Oh, speaking of breakup.

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Speaker 1: More breakup news, Tiana Taylor and Imon Shemper are separated.

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Speaker 1: They're not divorced, but they've been separated for a minute now, apparently,

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Speaker 1: for seven years together for ten. I liked them as

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Speaker 2: I like him.

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Speaker 1: I know, y'all, this bitch slid in his deals last night.

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Speaker 1: I hey, big head, that nig and voice memos that

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Speaker 1: I know them dms. Both of the dms blew up,

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Speaker 1: both of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you know, y'all got the ladies at the niggas, okay, right,

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Speaker 2: both of them ms? Oh goodness, you know.

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Speaker 1: I like, I don't know in my spirit, and I'm

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Speaker 1: probably wrong, and forgive me if I'm wrong, But I

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Speaker 1: just feel like Tianna Taylor and Lari Harvey have like

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Speaker 2: In a relationship, thing not in a relationship, but like we're.

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Speaker 1: Best friends, we have fun together, but we also might

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Speaker 1: fuck every now and then kind of thing. Why would

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Speaker 1: you think that though, just because of how they be

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Speaker 1: like hugged up on each other when they're out.

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Speaker 2: I never really even know they hang out. I didn't

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Speaker 2: see them hanging out. But maybe I'm wrong. You know

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Speaker 2: who you know, but I see, I mean, they be

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Speaker 2: like you know in your mind. See sorry if I'm wrong. Nah, bitch,

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Speaker 2: I think it's on your mind. Man together and not

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Speaker 2: the rubbing absick man? What else? Have a girl? All right?

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Speaker 2: So halle Berry is pissed at Drake.

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Speaker 3: So apparently her people reached out to his people and

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Speaker 3: vice versa wanted to use her image for his album.

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Speaker 2: Artwork, and she said hell to the motherfucker.

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Speaker 3: Nah, and this nigga still took it upon himself and

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Speaker 3: used her image, and she feels like that's like a

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Speaker 3: real life slap in the face. Fuck you girl, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna do what I want. So apparently they went to

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Speaker 3: Geddy Images, who owns the image, which I just.

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Speaker 2: I hate that.

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Speaker 3: I hate that somebody can sneak take a picture of you,

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Speaker 3: or even if like you actually pose for a picture.

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Speaker 3: And because they took the picture, my image no longer

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Speaker 3: belongs to me. My likeness isn't mine. No that, so

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Speaker 3: Drake has her covered in slime.

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Speaker 3: Why did you even ask me? If he was gonna

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Speaker 2: Why ask me.

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Speaker 1: As a as a what's the word I'm looking for?

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Speaker 2: As a cancer?

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Speaker 1: Just as a consideration for you.

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Speaker 2: That is why I asked.

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Speaker 2: Just because why are you doing what the fuck you want, Like,

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Speaker 2: My poor baby, he just touched by this be defending

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Speaker 3: Find love, if that man works at whatever job, and

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Speaker 3: she makes most of the money.

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Speaker 2: All I could pay is a life bill.

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Speaker 3: As long as she's comfortable enough to say I'm going

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Speaker 4: But he was.

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Speaker 1: He loved her dirty drawers, he didn't step out on her.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's just about where your value lies. You know,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: So on the only drawback I see, right, the only

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Speaker 3: I say, like, we might be making more, we might

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Speaker 2: Right, So I feel like we're the only group.

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Speaker 3: Of women where somebody's constantly telling us y'all need to

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we're the only group of women in

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I don't think that black women are

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Speaker 3: I don't bel I come from a corporate setting, so

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Speaker 3: I know that black men, and that's just my small

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Speaker 3: seen any statistics to to to prove that, right.

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Speaker 2: I know black women come on more debt.

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Speaker 3: I've actually looked at those statistics because we talk about

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Speaker 2: Your man might have never went to college.

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Speaker 3: But I think he generalized a lot of things in

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Speaker 3: a statement he made. And I just want black men

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Speaker 3: say this, Black women we talk to each.

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Speaker 2: Other, but we talk to each other, but we also

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Speaker 1: So it's not fair to tell men that they can't

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: So I feel like I feel like when we talk

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Speaker 3: I don't really be trying to generalize, like, oh, all,

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Speaker 3: y'all niggas need to lower y'all standards, right, I don't

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Speaker 3: say no shit like that. That's really what he's saying

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Speaker 3: on a public platform, and we are not Tyler Perry.

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Speaker 3: Tyler Perry is a huge personality, you know. I don't

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Speaker 3: think he's saying lower your standards. He said, if this

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Speaker 1: That's a given, a given, I know, because look at

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Speaker 2: If that was a given, then things would be better.

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Speaker 3: Don't you think so you think that black women collectively

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think nobody's everybodys I just don't think

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking.

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Speaker 3: But look at the economy right now, right and I've

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Speaker 2: Ever, Right, But.

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Speaker 3: The more you start loving man because you fucking love them,

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Speaker 2: I know, you know a bitch taking care of a

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 1: I can't think of nobody I know, But I don't

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Speaker 1: know nobody taking care of no man. But I do

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Speaker 1: know women who make more than their men. You know,

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Speaker 1: Does that count as taken care of them if they

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Speaker 1: He was wilding with that statement. But I mean, I

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Speaker 1: having fun. They out on boats, and she probably futting

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Speaker 2: For them, soide looking in I don't know, you know.

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Speaker 3: For sure, how he said if the man is comfortable

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Speaker 2: They want to be able to provide, right.

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Speaker 3: So if you can get one that's not an ego

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Speaker 3: and I hate to use celebrities for example, right, but

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Speaker 3: this is like the best reference for most people. You'll see,

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Speaker 2: When they get on they marry what they really want.

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Speaker 3: Right. So I don't think we should be suggesting struggle

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Speaker 3: Look a look at the passport bros. They go out

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Speaker 1: With celebrities, the majority of us are not gonna be celebrities, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, the majority of people are not gonna be celebrities.

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Speaker 1: So that's like you're gonna get what you get. You're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like black men are hypergaments. I don't

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Speaker 3: Black women to date down.

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Speaker 1: No, I think so.

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Speaker 2: Hypergaments man.

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Speaker 1: Black men will find a woman that he like ringing

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Speaker 1: up shit at Target and marry her because of who

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Speaker 1: she is. In love. I don't think women aren't typically

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Speaker 1: going to pick up a man for Target. No shade

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Speaker 1: on Target workers. I love y'all and I love Target,

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Speaker 1: but you know, a successful woman is just that doesn'tcount.

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Speaker 1: Like going to pick up the guy working the registered Target.

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Speaker 1: She want him doing more and he might be the

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Speaker 1: what I think. That's what Tyler Perry's trying to say.

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Speaker 1: But like you at home lonely because he work at Target.

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Speaker 2: But I don't feel like he has to say that.

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Speaker 3: I feel like women are oftentimes dating somebody that's not

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Speaker 3: are you trying to reiterate that? We're trying to get

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Speaker 3: out of that? So how do we get out of that?

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Speaker 3: Do you see what I'm saying? You talk to the men,

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Speaker 3: so the men know the standard. But maybe grow together,

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00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 3: perhaps and your twenties. Absolutely grow together, y'all, both for real,

443
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 3: for real in the trenches when you find yourself so

444
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 3: single in your thirties and forties, like you're really looking

445
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 3: for somebody, not so much of growing, like merging when

446
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 3: you have.

447
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 1: What I got?

448
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 2: What can we do to make this bigger? Right?

449
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 3: But if we always starting at ground zero, you stole

450
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 3: at ground zero and I gotta work with you that.

451
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: Why are we asking black women to do that? It's

452
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 1: a rat rac and it sucks. Knty, What the fuck

453
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 1: you want? A fucking metal?

454
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 2: What movie is that? I don't know, Bar Centers Club, whatever, y'all,

455
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 2: I'm lying.

456
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: Don't tell mom the Babysitter's Dead with Christina Applegate, Like.

457
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 2: Why I'm gonna know that girl? Why wouldn't you know that?

458
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 1: It's a cult classic?

459
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 2: Y'all? Listen?

460
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 3: Okay, So today's guest. Today's guest is the CEO of

461
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 3: Afro Future.

462
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 2: Y'all going this year. We're going, yes, formerly known as

463
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 2: Afro Tella. Yeah, it's lit.

464
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: We're going.

465
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 2: M y'all stay tuned.

466
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 3: All right, y'all listen. So today's guest is the CEO

467
00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 3: and founder of one of the world's largest festivals, a Future,

468
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 3: formerly known as Afro Cella. Y'all welcome, mister.

469
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 2: Abdul Kareem Abdullah to we talk back. Yay, thank you

470
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: for coming on. We excited.

471
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm excited too. I'm excited to be here with

472
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 4: you guys.

473
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,719
Speaker 2: Listen, we're trying to come party. I'm just gonna get

474
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 2: that out period. You trying to go to party?

475
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: Period?

476
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 2: Everybody going?

477
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: I see.

478
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's very exciting, you know.

479
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 5: I mean the Year of Return sparked you know a

480
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 5: lot of emotion and people and definitely has attracted a

481
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 5: lot more people to come to Ghana to you know,

482
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 5: to one celebrate, like you said, turn up, but also

483
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 5: just kind of reconnect with people, you know, understand a

484
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 5: different narrative than what you've been taught, you know, or

485
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 5: what you may have known before. You know, it's a

486
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 5: great opportunity to kind of build that bar and to

487
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 5: build that Bridge as well.

488
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: So talk to us about like how you guys started

489
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: with this, because this was like at least six or

490
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: seven years ago when y'all started.

491
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

492
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean we you know, got us home for

493
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 5: us and like more African countries, a lot of people

494
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 5: tend to travel back home in December to the you know,

495
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 5: to to see family, to see friends, to celebrate, and

496
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 5: it's really just kind of like a two week three

497
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 5: week long festival, depending on how long you have the

498
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 5: ability to stay. And you know when I when I

499
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 5: was going back, I just realized that it wasn't a

500
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 5: lot of Americans there, and you know, at the time,

501
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 5: there was still a lot of you know, cultural wars,

502
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 5: and you know, we wanted to be able to kind

503
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 5: of have change the direction from you know, he has

504
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 5: appropriation to like education and inviting people back. It just

505
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 5: so happened online that three years later will be the

506
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 5: year return, right. So when I was going with my friend,

507
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 5: my partner and I we were going back and forth

508
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 5: to Ghana, and we just kind of started bringing friends

509
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 5: and recording our experiences, uh, and then that channeled them

510
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 5: to us doing events in New York City. Eventually we

511
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 5: were just kind of in the swing of things, and

512
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 5: we knew that we needed a way to kind of

513
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 5: get people to speak to each other because we were

514
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 5: party all night and sleep all day and god and

515
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 5: during December because everybody's on is on holiday, and we

516
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 5: wanted to change that a little bit, bring more data

517
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 5: type of events, get more people speaking to each other,

518
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 5: and see what we could build as far as creativity

519
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 5: with the people who are doing some amazing.

520
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 4: Work and about already.

521
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: So you were living in the States, you were living

522
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: in the States and just going back to Ghana.

523
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I grew up. I grew up in Ghana.

524
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 4: I went to school there for eight years.

525
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 5: I came back here to the US, went to high

526
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 5: school and to college, and then yeah, we would go

527
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 5: back annually.

528
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 4: You know.

529
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 5: Now I go back multiple times a year, but we'll

530
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 5: go back annually to Ghana December and just really tapping

531
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 5: with all the folks and friends from all over the

532
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 5: world and family from all over the world that comes

533
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 5: back home to kind of celebrate the holiday season.

534
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 3: So are y'all never planning to have the well now

535
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: Afro future in the States in America at any point?

536
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 5: I mean, it's not our goal. We'll probably have some

537
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 5: type of experience that you know, really markets and encourages

538
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 5: people to come back to the content that our goals

539
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 5: around building the resources on the continent, building away on

540
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 5: the continent. Again, people don't want to come to the continent.

541
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 5: That's that's a part of our goal, that tourism, right,

542
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 5: I mean, I think before us, you know, there have

543
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 5: been several efforts in different times, you know where people

544
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 5: have come back to Africa, but not in as much

545
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 5: in mass as we have been able to kind of

546
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 5: channel through Ghana. So we want to continue to educate

547
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 5: people by encouraging them to come to the continent and

548
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 5: not just Ghana, but all the countries around the continent

549
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 5: that look at the opportunities that exist.

550
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 4: You know, Africa is the youngest continent in the world.

551
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 4: You know, in the world.

552
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 5: You know, by twenty fifty one or four people will

553
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 5: be African, you know, so that means there's a lot

554
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 5: of jobs that are going to be creative. Industry is

555
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 5: going to becoming to Africa. You know, we're going through

556
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 5: a whole industrial revolution. I love it, and I think

557
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 5: black people, black people should should be a part of

558
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 5: that industrial growth, right, we should be able to under

559
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 5: dispel those narratives that separate us and find ways to

560
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 5: come together and build.

561
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 4: With each other.

562
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 5: So that's some of the work that we're doing on

563
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 5: the continent, not just us, but across the continent, all

564
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 5: the people that are building these similar properties.

565
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: So in twenty seventeen, y'all hat your first one and

566
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: you were like you and your homeboy was just sitting

567
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: around you was like, man, let's throw a big ass party.

568
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: Like how did y'all come up with the idea?

569
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's funny because we were doing events in

570
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 5: the US and we were very successful because, you know,

571
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 5: afrobeats was not was very niche at the time.

572
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 4: It wasn't on radio.

573
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 5: So I remember the first time I ever heard, you know,

574
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 5: afrobeat saw on radio and how it made me feel.

575
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 4: So we would do events and we have big numbers.

576
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 5: People were flying from over the states to come to

577
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 5: our parties because unlike now, it wasn't as popular when

578
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 5: we were doing it. So we had a lot of audacity.

579
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 5: Decided to go to God and just kind of throw

580
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 5: a party, and it didn't do well. The party, the

581
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 5: first one we ever did, didn't do well. So it

582
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 5: was just kind of for me it was a silver

583
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 5: lining because I saw something else. I saw that there

584
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 5: was a lot of amazing talent that were performing and

585
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 5: that they were performing hard despite the event not going

586
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 5: as planned, and I wanted to kind of tap into

587
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 5: that talent and be able to understand it. More so,

588
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 5: I knew that we had to kind of move away.

589
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 5: In addition to that, so many people that are coming

590
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 5: to Ghana and December are doing amazing things no matter

591
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 5: where they are right whether they're in the States, their

592
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 5: record label execs, their creative geniuses, their scientists or doctors,

593
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 5: their nurses, you know, not only in Americas, but in

594
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 5: London and in Berlin and Japan and Australia. So it

595
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 5: just I felt like it was this service to the

596
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 5: people or the continent who were doing some amazing things

597
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 5: not to be able to tap in with some of

598
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 5: these people when they came to the continent, and we

599
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 5: knew that, like the festival will be able to kind

600
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 5: of bring that energy around what we were trying to do.

601
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 5: So that's how the idea for the festival came. But

602
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 5: it took some time to kind of figure out what

603
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 5: it was going to look like, where it was going

604
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 5: to be, how it was going to feel and how

605
00:28:59,320 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 5: it was going to pay for.

606
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 4: So so yeah, certainly, right, yeah, exactly. So my partner,

607
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 4: you know, but he's a big supporter.

608
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 5: Like you know, when we were finally ready and I

609
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 5: just kind of knew where I wanted the event to happen,

610
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 5: you know, how I wanted to shape up.

611
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 4: When I told him, he didn't hesitate.

612
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 5: Like the same day we had the venue booked and

613
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 5: we had about seven months to plan the first one.

614
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 5: You know, I think that no matter how, you know,

615
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 5: if you have an idea, you have something good to

616
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 5: put into the world, you just have to kind of

617
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 5: put it out there and like the world will galvinize

618
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 5: around you to kind of build it, build it.

619
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: So how would you say it is the festival has

620
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: evolved since it's inception?

621
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean, well you said before it was

622
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 5: you know, Afrotilla was and you know Afro Future is, right.

623
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 5: I think that what we learned in our journey to

624
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 5: kind of invite people to Africa was that one there

625
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 5: has to be a lot of education around people who

626
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 5: were interested in visiting the continent. It's not just you know,

627
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 5: tourism on the continent is not what it is in

628
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 5: the Caribbean, it's not what it is in Europe. It's

629
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 5: very brand new, right even to each other. Right within

630
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 5: the continent, people have not visited each other's countries because

631
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 5: you know, we don't have It's not as easy to

632
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 5: kind of hop on a flight and go to La

633
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 5: like it is in Africa. Is not as easy to

634
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 5: do that because you might have to leave the continent

635
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 5: to go to another country on the continent, you know,

636
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 5: just kind of our way the way the countries are

637
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 5: set up, or you might need a visa to go

638
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 5: to another country on the continent, which was asinine, but

639
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 5: you know that's what happened. So really, you know, our

640
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 5: ability to kind of bring people together was a goal

641
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 5: for us and putting us together.

642
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: So all right, I might this is gonna sound ignorant,

643
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: but just roll with it, Okay. So the continent of Africa,

644
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: you have several countries, so fifty fifty four countries, so

645
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be similar to like are you know how

646
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: in the USA we're going to different states, right, so

647
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: within different the countries, you would need like a visa

648
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: to go to every country, or you can just travel

649
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: to different countries in the continent without it.

650
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 5: So with your American passport, you can probably visit more

651
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 5: countries than a citizen of Somoya can visit countries on

652
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 5: the continent. That really yeah, you might be able to

653
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 5: you can get into South Africa, but a citizen of

654
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 5: Nigerian Nigeria needs a visa to get into South Africa.

655
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 4: Your American past.

656
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: Interesting, Why is that.

657
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 5: Because of neo colonials. A lot of people don't understand this,

658
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 5: but like you know, a lot of African countries recently

659
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 5: you hear about the coupdatars happening. Yeah, I love it

660
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 5: because you know it's just people fighting back, right. You know,

661
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 5: the internet is allowed as educating us. You know, there's

662
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 5: a lot of things that we need to learn and

663
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 5: un learn about Africa, you know what I mean. And

664
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,239
Speaker 5: you know, just kind of how you're surprised that your

665
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 5: American passport can get you in an African country and

666
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 5: an African when an African passport can't get into that country.

667
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: It's just the way you know, the powers that be

668
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 4: have set up you know, you know the world.

669
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 5: And the hope is that we can untangle that and

670
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 5: we can you know, encourage more black people to kind

671
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 5: of learn about each other, Like we need to learn

672
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 5: about each other in order for us to build with

673
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 5: each other, you know what I mean. It's unfortunate, but

674
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 5: that's that's what it is right now. But there's a

675
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 5: new I just kind of feel like, if I'm going

676
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 5: to say the bad side, that you say the optimistic

677
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 5: side as well. Like there's a new trade agreement that

678
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 5: the African Union has adopted. It's called the af CFTA,

679
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 5: which is the African Free Trade Agreement. And the hope

680
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 5: is that we can get more I guess, cooperation amongst

681
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 5: the African countries to do more trade with each other

682
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 5: and to also you know, you know, reduce barriers between

683
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 5: people being able to get from country to country without

684
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 5: visas and things of that nature. Yeah, it is very

685
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 5: easy for you as an American to go, you know,

686
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 5: within the States than it is for African countries to

687
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 5: go within the African countries. But you know, on most maps,

688
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 5: a lot of people they draw Africa smaller, but most

689
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 5: all the continents can fit on the African continent right right, It's.

690
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: Never to size. What would you say is the greatest

691
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: hardship of building something like this because this I mean

692
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: has grown really really huge. What would you say was

693
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: the greatest hardship of building it so far thus far?

694
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 5: I mean I was saying there was a lot of

695
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 5: learning on the job for us, and you know, I

696
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 5: think we also scaled very fast. You know, we went

697
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 5: from forty seven hundred people year one to twelve thousand

698
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 5: year two, to ninety to six thousand year three.

699
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 4: Last year we did thirty one thousand.

700
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 5: You know, So we haven't been able to match the

701
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 5: amount of skill we have to the amount of money

702
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 5: we've been able to raise. So that has been a

703
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 5: difficult process, right being able to kind of make can

704
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 5: make sense for all the people who are coming to

705
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 5: the event. But thankfully we've been able to kind of

706
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 5: make lemon out of lemonades, lemonades out of lemon and.

707
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 4: You know, we've been able to kind of put on

708
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 4: a very successful event.

709
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,959
Speaker 5: You know, it's attracting people from all over the world,

710
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 5: celebrities and artists and talent, and it's been going pretty well.

711
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: Do you get to enjoy it? Are you just like

712
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: running around like a chicken with your hair cut off

713
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: for the whole time because you're working, or do you

714
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: actually get to enjoy what you create?

715
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: Yeah? For the first couple of years, I didn't enjoy it.

716
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 5: The only way I knew the experience was through the

717
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 5: feedback I was getting from people, and that was really

718
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 5: like the fuel that allowed that motivated me to keep going.

719
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 4: How people felt about it, how it impacted their lives.

720
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 5: Some people brought their whole families, their mothers, their their wives,

721
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 5: their kids, and just kind of seeing how it affected

722
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 5: other people was something that kind of encouraged me, you know,

723
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 5: because in the first couple of years of a business,

724
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 5: you're not really seeing you know.

725
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 4: And also we had a very small team, you know.

726
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 4: We've since expanded our team.

727
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 5: So last year and the year before were the first

728
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 5: year is that I got to actually experience it with

729
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 5: people and walk through the entire field while people are

730
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 5: enjoying it and watching hearing them talk and just you know,

731
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 5: people watching, and it's an incredible experience.

732
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 4: It's an incredible experience.

733
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: What would you say is your favorite, absolute favorite part

734
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: of the festival so I can know where I need

735
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: to be when I go.

736
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 5: My favorite part of the festival obviously like the different

737
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 5: photo moments and interactive moments that people get to enjoy

738
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 5: on the field and watching them interact with them. I

739
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 5: think that is really really cool. I think also just

740
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 5: kind of watching you know, people connect, you know. You know,

741
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 5: I've seen engagements happen on our festival field. I've seen

742
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 5: you know, married couples come out because they met at

743
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 5: our festival field, and those testimonias kind of keep it

744
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 5: like you know, and also just kind of seeing how

745
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 5: people react to Ghana, like you know, having you know,

746
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 5: one of the coolest things that I felt was that

747
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 5: Ghana so safe as a country.

748
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: You know.

749
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 5: I was walking down, I was driving my car, and

750
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 5: as I was driving my car, I look out my

751
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 5: window to the left and I see two of my

752
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 5: friends from Brooklyn, New York walking the streets of our crop,

753
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 5: like you know, in the middle of the city. And

754
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 5: that was such a proud moment for me because it

755
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 5: was just kind of like, yo, they walking down, they

756
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 5: walking down a crowd, like it's flatbush, like you know

757
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 5: what I mean.

758
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 4: I felt like I was.

759
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 5: Kind of kind of see them just walking there, free

760
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 5: about it, you know. So, you know, there's so many

761
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 5: amazing things to do in Ghana, whether it's if you

762
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 5: want a club, you can party all night in the morning,

763
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 5: you know, people literally their viral videos and.

764
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 4: People on the beach at eight am. You know, people

765
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 4: you can do that.

766
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 5: But there are so many cool restaurants, you know, there's

767
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 5: so many you know, educational activities that's happening on the ground.

768
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 5: There's so many, you know, sights to see, places to

769
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 5: visit once you come there. For me, as the beaches,

770
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 5: I love to drive. There's a beach that Blue Lagoon

771
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 5: is about two and a half hours away from a craft.

772
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 5: It's so serene, it's quiet, it's private, it's clean. You know,

773
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 5: it's one of my favorite places to go when I

774
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 5: just want to hear myself in the ocean, the ocean

775
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 5: hit you know.

776
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 4: I think it's just like one of the best places

777
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 4: in the cross And.

778
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: So do you be dancing?

779
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:36,479
Speaker 1: Can you dance?

780
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 2: You don't go to the club?

781
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm in New Yorker, man, you know, you know,

782
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 4: you got to be able to do a little one

783
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 4: two step, you know, like, can't be stiff. You know,

784
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 4: I don't have paint on the wall, you know. I

785
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 4: you know, I was a part of the Little Shake era.

786
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 4: I got a little shake in. They're a little five thousand,

787
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 4: so a little bit, you know, and you know, when

788
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 4: the pends of that from meets. I could do it.

789
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 4: I can do a little you know, I could.

790
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: Do it a little two step, yeah, you know, shoulder work.

791
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 4: I got it all.

792
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: All right.

793
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 3: So, at the end of the twenty twenty two Afrochella,

794
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: you guys announced that the festival would not be returning.

795
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: I know a lot of the festival goers are probably upset.

796
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 3: But now we find that the name of the festival

797
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: has just changed now to Afro Future.

798
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 2: Let's talk about what's going on with that.

799
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, afro Tella was and after Future is.

800
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 5: You know, not only did we feel internally that it

801
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 5: was time for us to kind of grow into our

802
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 5: step into our big boy pants as far as shoes

803
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 5: and what we wanted to tell. As far as the

804
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 5: storytelling component, we knew that the future is Africa and

805
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 5: we want our festival to be synonymous with that. As

806
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 5: far as the connectivity of the bridge that's being built

807
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 5: between the diaspora and the continent. You know, we don't

808
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 5: have any issues with the the team. We just really

809
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 5: was just kind of standing on ground as far as

810
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 5: what we felt like we deserved and who we were.

811
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 5: You know, eventually we was able to come to an agreement,

812
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 5: and that's why we exist how we exist now as

813
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 5: a future I like it.

814
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: Can you tell us, like, what's the lineup for this December?

815
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 4: It's coming up. I mean, we have a deal to

816
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 4: do with exclusive release, but it's definitely coming up within

817
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 4: the next week or so, so you all get that information.

818
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 5: But it's gonna be pretty exciting in the past. Last

819
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 5: year we had Burn and Boy headline alongside Fireboy and

820
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 5: a few other exciting acts. Twenty twenty one we had

821
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 5: Whist Kid, we had our Lennox and a few others.

822
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 5: So this year is gonna be not in short of that,

823
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 5: it's gonna be pretty amazing.

824
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 3: What do you think about Burn and Boys saying it

825
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 3: that we don't have any culture over here black Americans.

826
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: I think that.

827
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 5: I think what he meant and what he said are

828
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 5: two different things, you know what I mean. But you know,

829
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 5: I think think it was all off to interpretation. Like

830
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 5: I said earlier, we we definitely need to learn more

831
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 5: about each other's coaches and understand each other's perspectives, and

832
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 5: I think that would have formed how we should speak

833
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 5: on or about each other, you know. So, yeah, there's

834
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 5: a lot of education on both sides of the spectrum

835
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 5: that need to be had in order for us to

836
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 5: kind of stop these little cultural awards that that continue to.

837
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 4: Kind of purpose.

838
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: What's your background? Is your background like, where's where'd you

839
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: go to school for?

840
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 4: I went to school, funny enough, for bio psychology and

841
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 4: public health.

842
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: You know exactly what they're saying. Yeah, you know how

843
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 2: to like word that ship real good? Like yeah, be

844
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: like I'm just saying, like, you know, I'm trying to

845
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: make sure politically correct.

846
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 4: No, it's not even politically correct.

847
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 5: It's really just kind of like, you know, I feel

848
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 5: like I'm always going to stand on my ground off

849
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 5: in the Bronx, like you know what I mean, that's

850
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 5: what we do. But it's just kind of like, you know,

851
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 5: I take the approach of education more so than I

852
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 5: take the approach of controversy.

853
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 4: You know.

854
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 5: I think that, you know, controversy is obviously what sells,

855
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 5: and that's what a lot of people love and enjoy it.

856
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 5: But I personally feel there's an opportunity for us to

857
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 5: kind of educate each other.

858
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 3: So what kind of stuff like on the ground at

859
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: AFRO Future and what kind of educational and empowerment initiatives

860
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: is for future involving amazing.

861
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 4: So we do a lot of things outside of the festival.

862
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 5: A lot of people know the festival because that's where

863
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 5: their enjoyment is, but even at the festival, there's opportunity

864
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 5: for you to engage with different cultural troops that we

865
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 5: bring onto the field, Different artists and talents that we

866
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 5: bring on to the field that are also there. The

867
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 5: mirrorless and the painters and even some of the vendors

868
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 5: have a lot of stories to tell and those connections

869
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 5: are very very important to us. Off the field, we

870
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 5: have an expo. The xpos are opportunity for us to

871
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 5: kind of force that dialogue to whether it's in music

872
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 5: and education, around music and entertainment, we have that We've

873
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 5: done that a partnership with our favorite some of like YouTube,

874
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 5: tom Core Audio Map, We've done like several panel discussions,

875
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 5: meetups and those kind of things with them.

876
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 4: We've done, you know, poetry events, whether.

877
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 5: It's given creators an opportunity to kind of tap in

878
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 5: with each other and tell their story from a poetry perspective.

879
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 5: Last year we introduced Black Health Connect, which was an

880
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 5: opportunity for health professionals in the diaspora to connect.

881
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 4: I thought that was really cool. That was one of

882
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 4: my favorites.

883
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 5: We've had conversation around agriculture and food and how we

884
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 5: connect around food and what opportunities we've done things about beauty.

885
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 5: About sixty four percent of our audience a woman, so

886
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 5: we tend to kind of also like to try and

887
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 5: have conversations around women. Last year, we were able to

888
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 5: collaborate with this company out of Berlin called Curl Cohn

889
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 5: and we had conversations about beauty and starting the beauty business.

890
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 4: And right now we're very we're empowering.

891
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 5: Beauty brands from the continent, like topicals like I'm Coola

892
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 5: that are doing some amazing work in the space and

893
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 5: we want to be able to highlight them and highlight

894
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 5: the ingredients that they use from the continent, you know,

895
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 5: So whether it's like food activations and discussions around food

896
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 5: as well, some of the opportunities that we dig into.

897
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 5: Last year, we were able to collaborate with a Modern

898
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 5: Black Girl and we ran a pitch competition.

899
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: I love that. I love Modern Black Girl to to

900
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: kind of like.

901
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 5: Tapping and and win a prize to kind of help

902
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 5: their businesses. We want to expand and have conversations around tech,

903
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 5: around business opportunities, around you know, the Aspera dialogues.

904
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 4: You know, what are our perspectives as men?

905
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 5: You know, from from a diaspa point of view, as American,

906
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 5: from a British point of view, from a British Black American?

907
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 4: You know what, like, what are the different perspectives of men?

908
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 4: What is our tone? You know?

909
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 5: How do we differ? How do we have similarities? And

910
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 5: in terms of mindset, same thing around women and wellness,

911
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 5: and how can we speak to each other and understand

912
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 5: each other's perspectives. Anything that brings connectivity and fosters education

913
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 5: amongst the asked for some of the work we do

914
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 5: in the XPO and then with our music museum, we

915
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 5: tend to take the music off of the screen and

916
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 5: off the sound and really put it in the museum

917
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 5: focus because you know, I may say an artist that

918
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 5: you guys, I'm sure you're familiar with the song, but

919
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 5: you probably don't know the name of the artists. And

920
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 5: that's like that for a lot of afrobeats artists and

921
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 5: artists on the content, if they're not part of the

922
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 5: Big Three, or they haven't done a collaboration, maybe with

923
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 5: a Selena Gomez or something like that. Most people probably

924
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 5: won't know who they are, and we want to change

925
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 5: that because we want to make sure that this sticks

926
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 5: to yourself as far as the music and the movement

927
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 5: that we're having.

928
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 4: So and really what it takes is the education.

929
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 5: You know, we grew up with hip hop, like I

930
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 5: watched mac DVD's, I read the blogs like, you know,

931
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 5: I know this was my culture, right, you know, just

932
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 5: kind of so I follow artists from when there was

933
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 5: a mixtape artist and now they're like, you know, a

934
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 5: world renowned artists like French Montana. I remember him as

935
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 5: a cookboy on Smack DVD and now to see him

936
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 5: as a superstar, Well why I follow that story.

937
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 4: Most of us here in the US.

938
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 5: Haven't had that opportunity with afrobeats artists, and that connectivity

939
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 5: is so our museum allows us to be able to

940
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 5: create an experience like that for artists and dig deeper

941
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 5: into that.

942
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 4: So we do a lot of those kinds of things,

943
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 4: and obviously we give back.

944
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 5: You know a lot of people say why we don't

945
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 5: highlight that because we don't want Africa to be associated

946
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 5: with charity. We want people to associate us with industry

947
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 5: and to highlight some of the you know, the people

948
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 5: on the ground doing the damn thing. You know, there's

949
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 5: a lot of people on the ground doing a lot

950
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 5: of amazing things and finance and tech and science and

951
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 5: creativity and you know in fashion, you know, so you know,

952
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 5: how do we highlight those people. That's what's more important

953
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 5: to us.

954
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, this give back. There's an opportunity.

955
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 5: You know, if you want to donate sneakers, we have

956
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 5: a whole day with the kids and paint and rebuild

957
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 5: their school or provide them with food for the day

958
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 5: and for the year as well. You know, we do

959
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 5: those kinds of things. But what we're trying to do

960
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 5: is encourage people to come back tapping with people doing

961
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 5: some amazing things and let's let's work together to create opportunity.

962
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm thinking about I want to get my citizenship

963
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 3: in Ghana. Do they still have that program with our

964
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 3: friends Black Americans to come over there and get a

965
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 3: piece of land and and uh citizenship.

966
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, you can come.

967
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 5: You can get residency and then after a while, once

968
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 5: there's an amnesty, they do the entire citizenship together.

969
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 4: But you start with residency.

970
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 5: I know, a few people who have gone through that

971
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 5: process and have started several businesses around in Donna specifically.

972
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: That's dope. So let me ask you this as a novice,

973
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: because I want to come. What date would you say

974
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: would be the best dates to come from this day

975
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: to this day would be the best opportunity to get

976
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: a real experience.

977
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

978
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 5: The only thing I often feel guilty when I tell

979
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 5: people that, you know, come like before Christmas. So we

980
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 5: tend to tell people to come in the twenty sixth

981
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 5: and leave the fourth. You know, those are the days

982
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 5: where we're having a majority of the activations. But it's

983
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 5: really on and popping all December and mostly throughout January.

984
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 5: There's there's always something to do, but the busiest part

985
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 5: is the twenty sixth to the fourth. Those are the

986
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 5: times where I will encourage a lot of people to

987
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 5: come in and tap in. After the fourth, it's still fun.

988
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 5: It's a lot less people, you know, it's calmer, you

989
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 5: get to do a lot more relaxing stuff. But it's

990
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 5: still a good time. God is a good time any

991
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 5: day of the week that you go. Yeah, yesterday it

992
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 5: was crazy.

993
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 4: In our cry.

994
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: What happened in a cry Yesterday?

995
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 5: We had an event that we called My Piano and

996
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 5: Brunch that we started in the pandemic and it's a

997
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 5: pretty exciting experience. So you know, even yesterday it was

998
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 5: a soul out event. So you know, a crowd is

999
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 5: always popping anywhere you go in the continent. You can

1000
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 5: have an amazing time. You know, it's just really about

1001
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 5: going and seeing yourself there.

1002
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: So my concern is vaccinations. What type of vaccinations you

1003
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: got to have, if any, to go to Ghana.

1004
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 5: I think just the kind of the basics, the stuff

1005
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 5: that's on your yellow card, the yellow fever, the memphs,

1006
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 5: the mumps, but even that, I believe the yellow fever

1007
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 5: has been updated to be taken off. Like you just

1008
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 5: want to make sure that you're vaccinated against any of

1009
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 5: like those deadly diseases. You know, you no longer need

1010
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 5: the COVID vacs. Well you should have a COVID vaccination

1011
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 5: to come to Ghana, but you don't. You no longer

1012
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,479
Speaker 5: have to provide a PCR test runing through that nature

1013
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 5: to come into Ghana.

1014
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: M Me and her ain't got no husband or no keys,

1015
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: so we can come before Christy's Honestly.

1016
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, right now, you'll have a y'all have, y'all have

1017
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 4: a blast.

1018
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: In terms of costs, Is this an experience that the

1019
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: average American can Black American or any you know race

1020
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: of American can come have? Or do we got to

1021
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: wait till twenty twenty five and get our chips together.

1022
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 4: No, no, no, It depends on where you are in life.

1023
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 5: And also when you're booking, right, we give a lot

1024
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 5: of different opportunities for people to be able to kind

1025
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 5: of pay their trip over time. You don't have to

1026
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 5: buy it all at once. Yes, the most expensive, you know,

1027
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 5: a part of this trip is the flight there. You know,

1028
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 5: that's a that's the biggest hurdle.

1029
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: Uh.

1030
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 5: And then also maybe sometimes depends on how you stay,

1031
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 5: the luxury you want to have once you stay there.

1032
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 5: But you can definitely go there, you know, on a

1033
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,959
Speaker 5: pretty sleep budget, because once you're in town, your money

1034
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,959
Speaker 5: goes a long way. The dollar is a very great

1035
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 5: currency to have on the continent, you know, it goes

1036
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 5: a long way. Unless you're out there trying to kind

1037
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 5: of like live like a king, you should be fine,

1038
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 5: right the most the biggest hurdle you're probably gonna face

1039
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 5: is your flight and accommodation. But everything else is nominal

1040
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 5: compared to the amount of money that you have. So

1041
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 5: we have a relationship with Air Affordable. It gives people

1042
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 5: an opportunity to be able to kind of pay their

1043
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 5: trip over time and spread the payments. We also have

1044
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 5: a travel agent on hand as well more travel. She

1045
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 5: also allows for people to be able to pay this

1046
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 5: over time, so we can reduce that burier for people.

1047
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 5: But you know, it's it's you know, I don't know

1048
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 5: anyone that has spent the money to come to gand

1049
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 5: that has given us bad feedback about their experience or

1050
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 5: their their experience, like what would have meant to them

1051
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 5: to be in Ghana? Right, you know, even if they

1052
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 5: didn't like anything else, they just kind of you know,

1053
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 5: that experience of being in Africa and going to the

1054
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 5: content for the first time changed a lot of people's

1055
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 5: lives that we at least the feedback that we've got.

1056
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: Okay, well, semi mode numbers, so I could call her

1057
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: get my ship together because I'm crumbing this year. Right.

1058
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: They take after pay.

1059
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: American Airlines takes after pay you guys, our klariner one

1060
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: so you can get your ticket like that.

1061
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 4: You know, we're looking at some airline discounts.

1062
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 5: You know, in the future, we're trying to like do

1063
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 5: tryter planes as well, you know, which will kind of

1064
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 5: help us reduce the costs. Seems like they're trying to

1065
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 5: stop black people from coming to Africa man every years.

1066
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: Of course, that's why that's why I was asking you about,

1067
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 3: you know, the festival ever being in America, because I

1068
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 3: understand empowering Africa for sure, but we can look at

1069
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 3: other groups of people, like I'll say the Asians for

1070
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 3: an example. Asian people like they empower their people wherever

1071
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 3: they are, right. So it's not about like really like

1072
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 3: doing this here and then sending money back or sending

1073
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 3: the resources back. It's about us taking over all ship,

1074
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

1075
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 5: So last year year and this year, what we started

1076
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 5: doing is taking our show on the road. So between

1077
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 5: Ghana and December, we do a lot of activities leading

1078
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 5: up to December and so creating experiences here in the

1079
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 5: US so for instance, or in Europe. So this year

1080
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 5: we've done a lot of stops. We started off in Coudivoire,

1081
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 5: which was in Abajohn. Then we went to Paris, we

1082
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 5: went to London. Uh we came back to l A.

1083
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 5: We did New York earlier. This this summer, we have

1084
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 5: an event coming up with What's Happened and uh Door

1085
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 5: Dash and at Nike you know, Battle of joeloff Rice

1086
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 5: and you guys are invited. It's gonna be pretty exciting

1087
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 5: as a basketball game and jeelol Rice competition, you know.

1088
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 5: So we create experiences throughout the year preparing people for

1089
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 5: for Ghana. We even went to the Kentucky Derby this

1090
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 5: year an experience there. So we're definitely touching our audiences

1091
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 5: in the different markets that we do. But as the

1092
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 5: festival exists, you know, we create about fifteen hundred jobs

1093
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 5: for people. When when people come to the continent, we

1094
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 5: are able to accomplish one the goal of getting people

1095
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 5: who have long wondered about the continent, given them a

1096
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 5: way that is consumable for them to come to the continent,

1097
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 5: and encouraging that we're able to create opportunities for people

1098
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 5: on the ground. We're able to build connections as far

1099
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 5: as people who are coming and the people on the ground.

1100
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 5: So there's so many positive things that we are accomplishing

1101
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 5: by doing it on the continent that you know, it

1102
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 5: just doesn't make sense to leave. And also just to

1103
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 5: kind of put it in context, the world is fighting

1104
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 5: for Africa right now, like Russia, China and America fighting

1105
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 5: for influence in Africa. Black people need to be at

1106
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 5: the center of that and we need to be able

1107
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 5: to tap in as well. If if all of these

1108
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 5: superpowers are fighting for Africa, they know there's an opportunity.

1109
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 5: And for me, the opportunity should first with black people,

1110
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 5: and not just black people in the continent, but black

1111
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 5: people to the Aspa, Caribbean, the America, is Europe, Asia

1112
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 5: or wherever you are tapping with people in the continent.

1113
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 5: How can you support them, how can you invest in them?

1114
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 5: How can you work with each other to kind of,

1115
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 5: you know, do something.

1116
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: Some of our goals right and get in front of

1117
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: the white.

1118
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 4: Man always yeah, they're gonna get things, but we got

1119
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 4: to get ours.

1120
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: Too, you know that part. That part where's the Jall

1121
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: of Rice competition at.

1122
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 4: So this year is gonna be at the Nike HQ.

1123
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 5: Everybody can't get in, so you know it's gonna be

1124
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 5: a you know, it's invite only, but we got a

1125
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 5: space for you guys to pull up and enjoy yourself.

1126
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 5: It's a pretty great experience. You had a lot of

1127
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 5: amazing players, like the game was actually competitive. Jandanna has

1128
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 5: played in the past, Ross Gold, who used to be

1129
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 5: a player, She's played. We've had a few you know,

1130
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 5: pro semi pro players play on the team. So it's

1131
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 5: been pretty exciting.

1132
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 4: It's co ed.

1133
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 5: So a woman asked you on this corner on the

1134
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 5: on the court the whole time. But they're good too,

1135
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 5: and and they're dope and and they ball out. It's

1136
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 5: a pretty great experience. And we have an after party

1137
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 5: and you know, it's it's it's vibes, you know. So

1138
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 5: we have after party at Musica. So it's gonna be

1139
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 5: a very nice you know, two weeks now during Independence

1140
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 5: is October first, so we're gonna be celebrating up until

1141
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 5: the eighth of October.

1142
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: So this is in New York. You're saying, this is

1143
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: a New York Yes, okay.

1144
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm trying to pull up.

1145
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 4: Please.

1146
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: You had and you had me, You had me at.

1147
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 5: Okay, jelof Rights Champion. The Jewel of Rights that we

1148
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 5: use tis our chow restaurant. We have, you know, two

1149
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 5: little caches of Harlem and one of the Bronx. But

1150
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 5: they are two time champions.

1151
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 4: This year they get to defend it for the three peak,

1152
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 4: so I'm pretty excited for them, you know, hopefully, and

1153
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 4: Jeria can come with some heat.

1154
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna see what happened, and I'm gonna taste all

1155
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: of it, and I'm gonna tell you which one I

1156
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: think should win.

1157
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 3: I've only had joel Off one time. Really, really, the

1158
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 3: food is so damn spicy, man.

1159
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 2: I like to be able to enjoy my food.

1160
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 3: I cannot enjoy my food if I'm away and in

1161
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 3: my mouth it's hot the whole time.

1162
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll just be eating it and wiping my nose

1163
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: because my nose start running because it's so hot. But

1164
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: that's okay, baby, Just wipe my nose and keep going.

1165
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 4: That's definitely note.

1166
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 3: So what do you hope the attendees take away from

1167
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 3: Afro Future from the after Future experience and what are

1168
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 3: your aspirations for the future of the festival?

1169
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean I think that my hope is that

1170
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 5: one they can build a connection or a relationship with

1171
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 5: somebody that they meet on the continent, they could be

1172
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 5: intentional about dispelling any narratives that they may have or

1173
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 5: that the people around them have. About the continent and

1174
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 5: how it exists. You know, it's twenty twenty three and

1175
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 5: people still have a lot of ignorant questions about the

1176
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 5: continent with TikTok, with YouTube, and I think it's just

1177
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 5: kind of like, you know, a lack of effort on

1178
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 5: their part to kind of really know what's happening on

1179
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 5: the continent where we are. There's been a lot of

1180
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 5: disinformation that has existed so that you know, we don't connect,

1181
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 5: and now we're trying to build that bridge to bring

1182
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 5: us back. So if the hope is that you know,

1183
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 5: once you come to the continent that you're tappening, you're

1184
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 5: familiar with what's happening on the continent, that you're familiar

1185
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 5: with the perspectives, and as opposed to taking offense, just

1186
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 5: take an approach of just kind of educating. You know,

1187
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 5: we really don't know each other. We haven't had any

1188
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 5: real interactions with each other outside of you know, the

1189
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 5: things we enjoy that are similar, right, you know, like music,

1190
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 5: TV shows and movies and things that nature. But that's

1191
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 5: not enough, right, you know, It's like you can, we

1192
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 5: can like the same movies, but we don't if we

1193
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 5: don't really have an understanding of each other's respectives and

1194
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 5: how can we respect each other, you know, So we

1195
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 5: want to faster that respect as well. And the hope

1196
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 5: is that, you know, to be able to support young

1197
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 5: people doing amazing things on the continent. How can we

1198
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 5: tap in with them, and how can we work with them,

1199
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 5: and how can we provide each other opportunities? Those are

1200
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 5: those are our main goals as far as some of

1201
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 5: the work that we're trying to do on the continent

1202
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 5: and as far as the future, you know, we want

1203
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 5: to get into more storytelling, more nie storytelling, you know,

1204
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 5: supporting podcasters on the content on the continent, supporting you know,

1205
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 5: storytellers on the continent, and leveraging them to tell stories

1206
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 5: about the continent. Now, I think that if you're coming

1207
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 5: to Ghana, you should be able to watch a movie

1208
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 5: that kind of gives you a perspective of what it's

1209
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 5: like for every day ghaniance and one that is not

1210
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 5: like the life of the rich and or the life

1211
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 5: of the famous, but one that's like everyday lives of people.

1212
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 4: And I think that we don't really have that yet.

1213
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 4: So the festival definitely wants to be able to tap

1214
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 4: into that, to that to that length.

1215
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: That's good, that's important. Well, I'm excited for the growth

1216
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: of this. I keep seeing every year, I keep seeing

1217
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: it growing, and this year is gonna grow bigger because

1218
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: tam Bar, I'm gonna be in the building.

1219
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: I promise I'm going this year.

1220
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1221
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've definitely you guys be my special guests. You know,

1222
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 5: we'll have a good time. I'll make sure all my

1223
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 5: spots take care of you, guys.

1224
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: Husband's out there.

1225
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 5: It's gonna be so much to pick from you. I'm

1226
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 5: not gonna be able. They're gonna be on y'all too.

1227
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 5: So suppose immediately perfect. Yeah, they meet you and they.

1228
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: Tell you, I love it, darling, Darling, You're so beautiful, Darling,

1229
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: all of that.

1230
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: I want all of that.

1231
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1232
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: So can you tell our listeners where they can find

1233
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: all this information so they can attend as well?

1234
00:59:54,720 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 5: Absolutely on all of our socials, Instagram, threads, uh, you know, Snapchat, TikTok,

1235
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 5: Afro Future, at afro Future, a Future festival, you should

1236
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 5: be able to find us on any of those, even

1237
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 5: on LinkedIn as well. We're on there as well as

1238
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 5: for Future Festival. You can always go to Afrofuture dot

1239
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 5: com that's our website. All of the information is there

1240
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 5: for you.

1241
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: All right, you hear there, Guys Afro Future, y'all look

1242
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: for that because we're gonna be there and it's gonna

1243
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: be a great opportunity to connect with Ghanaians and the

1244
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: whole continent. So y'all, y'all better come.

1245
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 2: And husband, I should do it. Oh yeah, let's do it. Absolutely.

1246
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 2: I'm with that.

1247
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, forgot. Now we can set that up for y'all.

1248
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: I can do it all right, let's set that up seriously,

1249
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: I'm serious. Don't be giving us no Hollywood. That's the

1250
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: Bronx talking like, yeah, we can do a live.

1251
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: Show the yeah for the festival.

1252
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 3: Have y'all incorporated any podcast with the festival, like something

1253
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:00,439
Speaker 3: like a live show.

1254
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 4: We've had we've had a few.

1255
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 5: We had no podcasts last year come through and they

1256
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 5: did like, you know, the backstage interviews as people came

1257
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 5: came on and off the off the stage. That was

1258
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 5: pretty exciting. We've done some live ones on on you know,

1259
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 5: in our venues as well as XPO. Some people have

1260
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 5: come out and do their live podcast. It's been pretty exciting.

1261
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: That's no real easy way to say.

1262
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 4: This, but.

1263
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 2: We get We ain't getting no SIMP story from Abdul.

1264
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: What are we doing?

1265
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we definitely got to get a SIMP story

1266
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: from Abdul. Almost got away? You almost got away?

1267
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 4: I was getting ready to.

1268
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: All right. So we have a segment of our show

1269
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: called Dumby Story, our SIMP series, and you got to

1270
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: share a time that you got played by the opposie

1271
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: one story and don't don't talk about when you was

1272
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: in the ninth grade, talk about something from your.

1273
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 2: Food out the afro.

1274
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: Are you are you married?

1275
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 4: I'm not married? Are you.

1276
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: Not in a relationship? So prior to her, what happened?

1277
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 4: Yes? Damn yeah? Man, man, you guys want to help

1278
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 4: me with reveal the secret?

1279
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 2: I ain't never really go ahead and tell it.

1280
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. Yeah, you know, it happens to the

1281
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 4: best of us, most of us, you know what I mean.

1282
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 4: I was super, you know, super super, super in love,

1283
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 4: you know, and you know I just couldn't see pastor

1284
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 4: you know, and unfortunately she did me dirty, you know,

1285
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 4: one of my one of my young boys. So you

1286
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 4: know it happened to me. It happened to me in college,

1287
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:04,919
Speaker 4: and that was my villain story.

1288
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: That was.

1289
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: Every one one bitch be ruining a nigga forever.

1290
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean that was vague, but I guess we'll take it.

1291
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, I don't want to like, did she

1292
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 2: smash on the what does she do?

1293
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 4: You know? A whole lot of you know, you know,

1294
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 4: she just kind of you know, stepped out of me

1295
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 4: man with somebody with a.

1296
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: Friend with my mentor did you did you continue to

1297
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: mentor this person?

1298
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 4: You know, I put a body on. We're all cool.

1299
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 5: That actually is funny. It's like, you know, it was

1300
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 5: very young, and you know, I don't I don't actually

1301
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 5: blame them at all. You know, I think that was

1302
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 5: part of life. It was a lesson I need to

1303
01:03:58,800 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 5: learn to.

1304
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 2: That was a good way to take it. You're still

1305
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 2: with her too, Yeah, Yeah, we cool.

1306
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 5: She apologized a couple of years ago. It's always good

1307
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 5: like I like that. My villain stories don't end with

1308
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 5: me being a bad guy. They normally come back and apologize.

1309
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 2: So they always do, they always do.

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Speaker 4: I ain't tell.

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Speaker 3: You know, we tell us the time you was a

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Speaker 3: damn villains when you play somebody.

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Speaker 2: And I flew up going and I ain't. I put

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Speaker 2: her in the hotel and I ain't see her no time.

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Speaker 5: You know, I actually don't have any issues with any

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Speaker 5: of my exits. Actually, well, you know, people tend to

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Speaker 5: I tend to have good relationships or leave on good terms.

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Speaker 5: I try to make sure it's nice and clean every time.

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Speaker 2: Karma good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want anybody crying over me.

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Speaker 3: Or all right, let our listeners know where they can

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Speaker 3: find you at. And uh, you pretty much already told

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Speaker 3: us about the festival and all that. So what's your

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Speaker 3: socials where they can tap in with you?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? I mean I'm on, I'm on on socials at

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Speaker 5: the Ruler oh two t h E r U l

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Speaker 5: E R zero two. It's my handle across all of

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Speaker 5: my socials.

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Speaker 2: All right, y'all, that's what y'all can find the Ruler Abdu.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much man for joining us. We really

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Speaker 2: appreciate you sharing this information. It's a good time, all right, y'all.

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Speaker 3: If you enjoyed this episode, tune in every Thursday on

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Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio app and where but the fuck you get

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Speaker 3: your podcast at?

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Speaker 2: This is your co host, A J. Holiday two point

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Speaker 2: oh on instagrams. Kick it Tam, y'all is official.

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Speaker 1: Tam Bam, I Love y'all, Thank y'all for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: Remember to speak now

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Speaker 2: And never hold your peace.